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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blazar from Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it,

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Speaker 1: joined us always by our bark.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars. But if they

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Speaker 2: want a rookie kicker to meet, Ben sALS, here's the guy.

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Speaker 1: Ben Salt. There's your kicker. I am definitely in a

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Speaker 1: much different spot in my research than you, clearly, so

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Speaker 1: I'm still in the top one hundred and hang on

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Speaker 1: real quick because I have his number six of seven

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Speaker 1: from fifty plus last year, twenty one of twenty four total. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's your kicker minute, Ben sALS. I feel like we

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Speaker 1: allow for the kicker minute, like the last ten minutes

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Speaker 1: of the show. When somebody asks about kickers, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: all right, this is your time to show give him.

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Speaker 2: I give my ticket this point.

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Speaker 1: Better call Salts, better better calls sauls Uh. The Patriots

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Speaker 1: do need a kicker. You keep reminding me of that

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Speaker 1: every time I do any off season preview write ups

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Speaker 1: or anything.

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Speaker 2: Agent. They do have Parker Romo, but Joways lies a

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Speaker 2: free agent.

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Speaker 1: We don't trust Parker Romo.

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Speaker 2: Well, he just doesn't have a lot of experience, at

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Speaker 2: least somebody to bring in for like they had last year.

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Speaker 2: Somebody bring in for competition.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, sure, well, kickers, I believe specialists

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Speaker 1: are Wednesday night next week at the combine. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: first group on the on field workouts, and then Thursdays

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Speaker 1: when the position players start, the non specialist start.

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Speaker 2: So no, the defensive line and linebackers are with the

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Speaker 2: kickers on Wednesday. I think, No, we're on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I think you're specialist are

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday night. Yeah, all right, I think something different

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Speaker 1: this week this year. Anyways, semantics, the Combines next week

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Speaker 1: my favorite week of the NFL calendar. And you are going, sir,

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Speaker 1: is your first combine? Right, Yes, you'll you'll see what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about. The biggest reason why I love the Combine.

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Speaker 1: It's just enough football that you get to do the

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Speaker 1: football thing. Yeah, but you also just get to have

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Speaker 1: a blast in Indie for the week, which is an

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Speaker 1: underrated city, especially for an event like this. So overall

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Speaker 1: my favorite week of the year. You have just enough

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Speaker 1: football you can scratch that itch, but you also have

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Speaker 1: you know, the eating's good. You go to Saint Elmo's,

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Speaker 1: you go to Prime forty seven. The after hours is

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Speaker 1: good too at you know the bars, so that it's

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Speaker 1: my favorite week of the year. I'm glad you're coming

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Speaker 1: because you finally get to experience why I hype it

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Speaker 1: up so much every single time, so hopefully it lives

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Speaker 1: up to it. But today we're gonna talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit of combine stuff, little preview episode here, some of

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Speaker 1: the big storylines from a Patriots perspective, obviously going into

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Speaker 1: the combine next week. We also have some free agency news,

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Speaker 1: you know, tag news things like that that we can

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Speaker 1: discuss here at the top of the show. And then

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Speaker 1: we'll take your calls in your emails. So I'll give

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Speaker 1: out the phone number here in a little bit because

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Speaker 1: I think we'll probably roll here for a few minutes

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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots. All right, Alex, where do you

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Speaker 1: want to start combine franchise tags?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so franchise tags latest. The franchise tag window is

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Speaker 1: now officially open. I believe it's like March fourth or

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Speaker 2: I just never expected him to become available, like however

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Speaker 2: well and good to sit here in mid February and

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Speaker 2: via trade, but it's via trade. It's different. Now you're

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Speaker 2: I also don't know if that guy's in the draft.

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Speaker 2: bring us back to DK Metcalf. Here we go again

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Speaker 2: with him in terms of the money and what you're

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Speaker 2: It's gonna take two offseasons, not just this one. You

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Speaker 2: whether it's Chris Godwin, Teed McMillan, whoever. If you don't

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Speaker 2: We're just gonna hammer those And that doesn't mean you

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Speaker 2: next year it's wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver, because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess I'm a little bit old school

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Speaker 2: you know, next year and we're your way. So who knows. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: next year projects to be a better year for receivers

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Speaker 2: on the veteran market, Like next year there should be.

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Speaker 2: It's too early to do that, you know, where would

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Speaker 2: Tech McMillan rank the next year's class because we don't

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Speaker 2: know who's gonna come out and blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: But like I'm gonna guess Tech McMillan would not be

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Speaker 2: McMillan's wide receiver won in next year's class. He might

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing, though, when it comes to receivers,

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Speaker 1: and this has been an old We've hammered this on

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Speaker 1: this show and our past shows and all, yeah, plenty,

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Speaker 1: the bottom line with the receiver position in this league,

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Speaker 1: T Higgins caliber and above receivers do not hit unrestricted

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Speaker 2: I think Calvin Ridley's probably as good as you're gonna get.

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Speaker 1: So now that go, and Calvin Ridley's older, and you

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Speaker 1: like you look at a lot of these different avenues

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Speaker 1: If you're looking for that true number one guy. That's

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Speaker 1: not happening. It's never going to happen. Even if T.

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Speaker 1: Higgins moves into trade. Now on the franchise tag, teams

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Speaker 2: that would be thirty eight one or four. I don't

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Speaker 1: No, but it's not But it's not apples to apples.

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Speaker 2: And now it's really tough to look at one of

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Speaker 2: And we've seen them do that time and time again.

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Speaker 2: even rather have Javon Holland than Trace Smith. I'm not

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Speaker 1: And look, maybe it's it's not a big deal to

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Speaker 1: of a bigger deal. But at the same time, we've

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Speaker 1: done this before. We've seen this before, we flipped guys around.

431
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Speaker 1: So now you're gonna pay a guy twenty million dollars

432
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Speaker 1: to potentially pay him out a position.

433
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Speaker 2: Didn't Did he play left guard like early in his career?

434
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Speaker 2: Am I imagining that.

435
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: He's only played right guard in Kansas City? To my knowledge,

436
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Speaker 1: I went back and clicked through a PFF, and I'm

437
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Speaker 1: pretty sure he's only played right guard. Maybe he played

438
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Speaker 1: left guard in college. You know those guards, It's it's

439
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Speaker 1: different than.

440
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Speaker 2: That's even further back. Yeah, guards is easier because you're

441
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Speaker 2: still it's about which way you're moving. Guards are moving. Well.

442
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Speaker 1: It's also just like I think you know guards tend

443
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Speaker 1: to cross train a lot more than tackles, I would say,

444
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: especially in college, and they flip around and stuff like that.

445
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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying it's a deal breaker that he

446
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Speaker 1: that he played predominantly right guard in Kansas City, but

447
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a factor. I think if you're gonna

448
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Speaker 1: pay a guy that kind of money, yeah, and then

449
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 1: now we're gonna we're gonna flip sides, just like they've

450
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Speaker 1: done with other people.

451
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Speaker 2: You know me, I'm very anti lineman flipping sides, Like

452
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Speaker 2: I think you play your position, but if it's doing it,

453
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Speaker 2: guard is not easy. Doing it tackles a completely different

454
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Speaker 2: beast like it's not it's a little apples to oranges.

455
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Speaker 2: I will say this. I've seen some people Sayking Tradesmiths

456
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Speaker 2: play tackle. I'm out on that one. Oh go get

457
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Speaker 2: a real tackle, I'm out on that one. If you

458
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Speaker 2: want to move to the left guard, I'll have that conversation.

459
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Speaker 2: I'm not playing him at right tackle. I'm certainly not

460
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Speaker 2: playing him a lot. That's the toughest move you could

461
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Speaker 2: make is right guard to left tackle.

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Speaker 1: So last one here you mentioned him, Javon Holland, who

463
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Speaker 1: it sounds Cameron Wolf last night on NFL Network. I

464
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Speaker 1: believe it is reported that they it's trending towards no

465
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Speaker 1: tag for Jamon Holland in Miami, So he's gonna be

466
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Speaker 1: a free agent. Now it goes back to a little

467
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Speaker 1: bit of what you were saying about, like the twenty

468
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Speaker 1: twenty one offseason, right, if you're gonna spend him, you

469
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 1: gotta spend the money somewhere. And if you're kind of

470
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Speaker 1: not gonna spend it at receiver and there's not any

471
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Speaker 1: real receivers to spend it on, and so on and

472
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Speaker 1: so forth, then just getting the best players on the

473
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Speaker 1: market might be the way to go. Javon Holland is

474
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Speaker 1: absolutely gonna be a top five player available on the

475
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Speaker 1: free agent market, maybe even higher on some list. So

476
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Speaker 1: he's one of the best.

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Speaker 2: Players of a who's ahead of them. If we're taking

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Speaker 2: t Higgins off, probably you.

479
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Speaker 1: Know it's gonna be him, It's gonna be Sweat, it's

480
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Speaker 1: gonna be Trey Smith. You know, those are gonna be

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Speaker 1: the top three, I would.

482
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Speaker 2: Think, and it'll take him out of Tray Smith.

483
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Speaker 1: So he's a really really good center fielder, awesome free safety.

484
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Speaker 1: Now you just paid Kyle Dugger, you just pay Jabriel Peppers.

485
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Speaker 1: We don't know what's gonna go happen with Jabriel Peppers

486
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Speaker 1: off the field, right all that illegal drama and stuff

487
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: like that with him, So we'll see what happens with

488
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Speaker 1: all of that. It absolutely fits better in the back

489
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Speaker 1: end to have Dugger with Javon Holland you have a

490
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Speaker 1: true free safety, you have a strong safety or with

491
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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it these days, hybrid or whatever,

492
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: and it fits the puzzle fits much better with those

493
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Speaker 1: two guys.

494
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Speaker 2: And we know they're not a player afraid to play

495
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Speaker 2: three safety like you can absolutely have all three of

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Speaker 2: them on the field at the same time. We've talked

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Speaker 2: about them using some small or quicker linebackers. Now most

498
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Speaker 2: of those guys are still two twenty five. Kyle Dugger

499
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Speaker 2: and Jabrill Peppers are both around two fifteen. But these

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Speaker 2: good football players, like, can you do some stuff where

501
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 2: they're essentially it's not gonna be full time, but swapping

502
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Speaker 2: into maybe those those smaller linebacker roles.

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Speaker 1: I just wonder if one of those guys dugg Er Peppers.

504
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Speaker 1: And obviously it's complicated with Peppers, so I don't know

505
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Speaker 1: if this is how much you'd really get. I don't

506
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Speaker 1: even know if it would be an option, but I'm

507
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Speaker 1: not ruling out trading either one of those players and

508
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Speaker 1: signing a guy like Javon Holland, keeping one of those

509
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Speaker 1: guys and then having a much more uh, you know,

510
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Speaker 1: like I was saying, you know, the puzzle fits a

511
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Speaker 1: lot better in the back end together with those guys

512
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Speaker 1: playing off of each other. In Tennessee, the Titans had

513
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Speaker 1: Kevin Bayard for years with Rabel And say that again,

514
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Speaker 1: Kevin Byared.

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Speaker 2: Byered you buy Ard the a Why do you harp

516
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Speaker 2: on that because it was difference? Does it make I

517
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Speaker 2: have never heard of Pear.

518
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Speaker 1: I'm rolling here, you said his name, continued, Kevin Byard,

519
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Speaker 1: whatever you want to get that on this guy, you know,

520
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: for a long time in Tennessee, was Pro Bowl, all

521
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Speaker 1: Pro caliber safety, playing that that perch up top, you know,

522
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Speaker 1: playing over the top of the of the defense.

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Speaker 2: And I just.

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Speaker 1: Wonder if Frabele would look at Javon Holland and see

525
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Speaker 1: a pretty similar player, because I do and see a

526
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Speaker 1: pretty similar skill set. I love the idea of going

527
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Speaker 1: after Javon Holland. Now, yeah, it has to make sense,

528
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Speaker 1: Like you have to make that safety room work, and

529
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Speaker 1: you don't want to have you know, just like we

530
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Speaker 1: were talking about with guards, you're gonna have what thirty

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Speaker 1: forty million dollars invested in three safeties. That's a that's

532
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Speaker 1: a lot of money in terms of the roster building.

533
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Speaker 1: But they have so much money, and they.

534
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Speaker 2: Have so much These are some of the things you

535
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Speaker 2: can do when you have not just a quarterback, but

536
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Speaker 2: they have their star corner on a rookie contract as well.

537
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Speaker 2: Those are big money positions. So and they really, what

538
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Speaker 2: do they have invested in linebacker? Bentley's deal isn't significant? No,

539
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Speaker 2: so you can't it's significant. He's a good player, but

540
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Speaker 2: like it's not a lot of money. So if you're saying,

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Speaker 2: all right, well, you know, we're not. We have these

542
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Speaker 2: three safeties, so we're not. You know, maybe that's a

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Speaker 2: guy that we're keeping in place of a linebacker. Borrow

544
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Speaker 2: some money from the linebacker room. Who borrow some money

545
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Speaker 2: from the cornerback room. Because we have a top five

546
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: corner in the league in Christian Zalez making rookie money.

547
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Speaker 2: Borrow some money from that quarterback room. Things like that.

548
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Speaker 2: You know, ideally in two to three years two to

549
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 2: three to four years, we start parsing the well, you know,

550
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Speaker 2: it's a lot of money spent at this position or

551
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Speaker 2: a lot of money spent at that position, because they've

552
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: a lot of good players right now. Like you said,

553
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Speaker 2: off the top there, just get the good football player

554
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Speaker 2: and then you go from there. And I will say too,

555
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Speaker 2: to your point about the trades. I know Duggar, you know,

556
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Speaker 2: with his legal situation, is tough to trade. The well,

557
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 2: Kyle Dougga's coming off that ankle injury that clearly limited

558
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Speaker 2: him last year, so he might be tough to move

559
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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I look at free agency maybe a slightly different

561
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Speaker 1: than the draft in terms of best player available, because

562
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Speaker 1: in free agency, there's not the pool isn't as large

563
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Speaker 1: in terms of the top end town, the pool.

564
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Speaker 2: Isn't as large, and it's not like you get to

565
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Speaker 2: pick your free agent and then thirty free agents go

566
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Speaker 2: before you get to go.

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Speaker 1: There, right right, So in free agency, I think when

568
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Speaker 1: you go into free agency with needs in mind, like

569
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Speaker 1: we need a left tackle, we need a wide receiver,

570
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: we need this player, you end up with mediocre players

571
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Speaker 1: in those spots. A lot of the time you and

572
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to throw shade at these guys, but

573
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Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty one, you know, you end up

574
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Speaker 1: with the Nelson Agalors and you end up with a

575
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Speaker 1: guy in Johnny Smith who wasn't really a fit, but

576
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Speaker 1: like it was the best tight end on the market,

577
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Speaker 1: so we're gonna sign him. Anyways, you you needed a

578
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Speaker 1: corner of defensive back, so you end up with a

579
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: guy like Jalen Mills, who's a solid player, but he's

580
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: not a game changer. He's not a real difference making player.

581
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: So when you go into a free agency, if Javon

582
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Speaker 1: Holland is the best free agent on the market and

583
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Speaker 1: you're the team sitting there with the most cap space

584
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Speaker 1: and he's a damn good football player, sign Jevon Holland, right,

585
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Speaker 1: And then you figure out all these logjams and things

586
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Speaker 1: like that as you go. You know, if Tray Smith

587
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Speaker 1: is the best free agent on your board and you

588
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Speaker 1: have one hundred and thirty million dollars in cap space

589
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 1: and can now bid everybody, then sign Trey Smith. And yeah,

590
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Speaker 1: it's a lot of money invested in guards, Like, there's

591
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: no doubt about that.

592
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: You're not paying tackles and if you get your tackle

593
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: in the draft, you're not gonna be paying tackles for

594
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Speaker 2: a few years now.

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Speaker 1: You know. And you have a really sturdy, very really

596
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Speaker 1: good depth to the pocket. For Drake May, yeah, he

597
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: has a pocket to step up into. He's got a

598
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: nice clean shelf all the time. You can run the football,

599
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: you know, up the middle, up the gut, you know,

600
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Speaker 1: just like Josh McDaniels wants to do. Like you can

601
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Speaker 1: really look at that and say, all right, we have

602
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: we have something to build off of, just like Kansas City,

603
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 1: you know, with those three guys in the middle. So

604
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: I look at the free agency a little bit different.

605
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: Similarly bit different in terms of that within the draft

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Speaker 1: because of the talent pool, what what is available to

607
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: you is very different in free agency than it is

608
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Speaker 1: in the draft. You can't force it in free agency,

609
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: you just can't. So that's free agency. I want to

610
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: hit on a few of these top storylines with the combine,

611
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Speaker 1: and then the emails are just rolling in, so we'll

612
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: get to all these emails here in a few minutes.

613
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: But I think the three biggest storylines, sorry, the four

614
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: biggest storylines going in for the Patriots. I figured but

615
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: these are the four that actually matter.

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Speaker 2: Okay, one of them is about some guys you really like,

617
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: so I don't think you're gonna have.

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00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: It number one to me.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

620
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Speaker 1: And this is not Patriot directly related, but it's Patriot adjacent.

621
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Speaker 1: This is the time of year where the quarterbacks really

622
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: start to solidify themselves, right. You start to get into

623
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: those meeting rooms, you start to get into throwing sessions.

624
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: But most importantly, at an event like the Combine, this

625
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: is probably the first time that these teams have truly

626
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: interacted with cam Ward and interacted with Shador Sanders face

627
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: to face in their top decision makers, their general managers,

628
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: they're head coaches, their offensive coordinators, putting them up on

629
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Speaker 1: the whiteboard, talking to these guys about football, talking about

630
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: life with these guys. That's a big deal in this

631
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: draft for the Patriots, even though they don't need a quarterback,

632
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: we all know the scenario. If they can get two

633
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks to get to go in the first

634
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: three picks of this draft, it changes everything for the

635
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: entire draft for the Patriots. If Abdul Carter or Travis

636
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: Hunter is sitting there at the fourth overall pick and

637
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: they need the quarterbacks to go, So I just quickly

638
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: on the quarterback or.

639
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: Just within that even if one goes and it's not

640
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: the ideal scenario, but somebody's showing enough that the Raiders

641
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: or the Saints fall in love and are willing to

642
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: give up the typical quarterback package to move up and

643
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Speaker 2: get them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Looking quickly at these quarterbacks, I haven't

645
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: done deep dives into these quarterbacks, but I have done,

646
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: you know enough that I feel watched Xavierstrepo.

647
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: You've watched Travis Hunters.

648
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: So I've seen enough of them at this point to

649
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: have a take. And I look at cam Ward, I

650
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: kind of I think I might have test you this.

651
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: I see a little Justin Fields and cam Ward there's

652
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: an issue with holding the ball. There's an issue I

653
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: think in terms of decision making and prosing speed that

654
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: exists there. But there's all sorts of multiple talent, right,

655
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of physical talent, there's a lot of

656
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: arm talent. I think the one difference between Ward and

657
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: Justin Fields and the reason why I brought up Justin Fields.

658
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: Both could run a little bit. Both have the same

659
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: kind of build. I would say, like cam Ward is

660
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: not like a six foot five prospect, right, you know,

661
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna be probably more built like a like a

662
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: big running back instead of a typical quarterback build. But

663
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: the one thing I would say is a little bit

664
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: different with cam Ward than Justin Fields. I think his

665
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: arm is more flexible, Like, I think he has more

666
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: he has more pitches to throw, and he can throw

667
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: from different arm angles. Like Justin Field, Justin feels always

668
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: really robotic to me, you know, like it was a

669
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: robotic release. He had to have his feet set and

670
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: have a platform, whereas I think cam Ward's got a

671
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: little bit more of that off platform ability. But you

672
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: could talk yourself into it with cam Ward easily. I

673
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: mean the physical tools are definitely there. I just think

674
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: that there's a little bit of rawness overall to his

675
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: pro into the quarterback nuance in the detail. With Shador Sanders,

676
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of the opposite. I think

677
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Shador is an okay athlete. I think he has a

678
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: decent arm. I don't think he's wows you with physical

679
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: traits Like I don't think you watch the door and say, wow,

680
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: that is a you know, a Drake may type prospect

681
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 1: or someone like that that's just got a ton of

682
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: physical talent. But what I do see with Shador is

683
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: like a natural feel for the pocket, a natural feel

684
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: for decision making processing, but just a natural feel for

685
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: quarterback play, which I think makes sense. His father is

686
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: a head coach. Yeah, you know he's gonna he has

687
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: grown up in this life. He's grown up around really

688
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: good quarterbacks. You know, he's worked with Tom Brady, like,

689
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: he's done all that kind of quarterback guru stuff from

690
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: you know, Manning, passing camps and all that good stuff.

691
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: Probably since like the sixth grade, he's been doing all

692
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. So he's a natural quarterback, but

693
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: maybe not the athlete that cam Ward is, whereas cam

694
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: Ward's the ball of clay. Both these guys I think

695
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: you can talk yourself into in the top ten. I

696
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: don't think it's as blasphemous as maybe I thought, like

697
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: a month or six weeks ago that agreed, I think

698
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: these guys are better than that. If I had to

699
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: go with cops, like I said, cam Ward reminds me

700
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of Justin Fields with maybe a little

701
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: bit more freedom in his arm, And then I would

702
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: say with Shador, I don't know if you how you

703
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: feel about this, But I kind of see a little

704
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: bit of Bonnixt in this game, Like.

705
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

706
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: I see a good athlete, but not a great athlete.

707
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: I see a good arm, not a great arm. And

708
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: I see some moxie and some toughness. H So I

709
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: see a little bit of bon Nix in there with him.

710
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: But overall, like I Bonix went what twelve or whatever

711
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: it was last year, and you know, justin Fields, I

712
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: think it was ten or eleven wait to Chicago.

713
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: You compare Sanders to bon Nicks, but you also compared

714
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: bo Nicks to quinn Ewers.

715
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever compared both you did last year.

716
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: You did last year. I remember this very what is

717
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: You're like, what does it matter? Because quin you weres

718
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: Anders are nothing like.

719
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever compared both you did.

720
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: I remember it, Okay, I don't know. I think is

721
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: a better athlete and you're giving him credit for I

722
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: thinks is a pretty good athlete. He had a I mean,

723
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: that offensive line in Colorado was atrocious, yep, and he

724
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: had to compensate for that a lot, and I think

725
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: he did a good job of it. But it definitely

726
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 2: impacted him at times. I'm trying to again, I can't

727
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: get behind Nicks. I'm trying to think of a better comp.

728
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 2: I'm going back to like quarterback classes in my mind

729
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: right now.

730
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: I feel like my my comp with Nick's other than

731
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: like the skill set part of it is more just

732
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: like how I viewed the ceiling and the floor of

733
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: Shador Sanders.

734
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: Like I think can elevate a little bit. I don't.

735
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's a true elevator, but I

736
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: think if you put him with Sean Payton and behind

737
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: a great offensive line, and now that you know what

738
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: Denver basically said bo Nix up with, I think that

739
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: there's a really good chance that Shador has a pretty

740
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: good start to his career.

741
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: I think he can do more in terms of like

742
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: throwing receivers open, and I think he can access some

743
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: more parts of the field than bo Nicks can, especially

744
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: when you're talking about between the numbers. I still can't

745
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: really come up with a comp. I'm like trying to

746
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 2: go back through the years in my brain, but I

747
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: don't know.

748
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Yeah, the comp isn't important. The important

749
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: part is is that this is the time of year

750
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: where it really kind of starts for these quarterbacks in

751
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: terms of all of the interview process, the vetting process,

752
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff that makes a lot

753
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: of these decisions at this time of year. Like if

754
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: you were in honest, true serum form with Elliott Wolf

755
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: and Girodemeo this time last year, they truly did not

756
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: know which quarterback they were gonna take necessarily, I don't

757
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: think at three overall, once you get through the pro

758
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: days and stuff like that, it really starts to solidify itself.

759
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: So that's the quarterback take.

760
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 2: I want to add on to that, But real quick,

761
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: how about as a comp that's not a do on

762
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: say Baker Mayfield because they both kind of have that

763
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: moxy they can bols. What are we talking about? You

764
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: did you need?

765
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: You need to go watch bo Nix last year with Denver?

766
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: I really don't. Yeah, you do.

767
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: It was better than you think.

768
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 2: The the other thing about the uh.

769
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: You just said Baker, that's literally bo Nicks.

770
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: No, Baker, Baker. Baker is more of a live arm.

771
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: I think he's better in the intermediate, he's better in

772
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 2: the pocket. Maybe if we're doing floor ceiling or middle ceiling.

773
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: Okay, I think if you're comparing him to Baker and

774
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: bo Nicks and I'm comparing him to Bonnicks, I think

775
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: we're in the same ball.

776
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, we just feel very differently about Bonex. Yeah.

777
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: I know. The other thing with the quarterbacks too, is like,

778
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: does anybody else enter this conversation? And I know that

779
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: sounds ridiculous in this quarterback class where you know, comparing

780
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: the top prospects to Justin Fields and Bonnicks. But if

781
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: somebody else does move up, you know, now maybe a

782
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: third teams trading up for that pick, or somebody moves

783
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: up in the late first round, and that pushes a

784
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: prospect down a thirty eight something like that. So the

785
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: guy I'm looking at, for whatever reason, Jackson Dart, got

786
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: a ton of hype after the Senior Bowl.

787
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: Good agent, It's J. J.

788
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: McCarthy all over again. I have no clue what is

789
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: going on there, but you know what, sure, I'll say this,

790
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 2: I think an NFL teams should totally give up a

791
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 2: ton to trade up to four to take Jackson Dart

792
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: right like I would love that, Please do go ahead.

793
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen, But like does Jackson Dart build

794
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: on any of that momentum. Will Howard off winning the

795
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,919
Speaker 2: National Championship and really turning things around off that Oregon game.

796
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: He's got the frame, he's got the arm, he's a

797
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 2: little bit older, he has that experience. He's somebody. Maybe

798
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: if he tests well at the combine, I could see

799
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: teams buying in on. And then the real wild carters

800
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe, who obviously did not have the season a

801
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: lot of people wanted him to have coming off of

802
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: what was a very very good twenty twenty three season.

803
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: But the athleticism, the arm, strength, the the what's the

804
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 2: word courage, I guess in the pocket, like toughness, toughness

805
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: in the pocket. That's a good one, you know. It's

806
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: you talk about a Paul of Clay, big time ball

807
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 2: of Clay.

808
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: That was an interesting one to me.

809
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: Those are the three if there's gonna be a those

810
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: are the competitors with QB three. To me, it's Will Howard,

811
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: it's Jackson Dart, and it's Jaln Milroe. Will Howard and

812
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: Jaln Milroe or kind of a flavor thing. I'm literally

813
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: only including Jackson Dart. It's the same thing we did

814
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: with Will Levis a couple of years ago too, where

815
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: like he's not even as good as he's not. He's

816
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: a worse. Will Levis is my cop. But it's like

817
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: I refuse to talk about Will Levis going as high

818
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: as people said he was going to until it got

819
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: to the point where, well, I have to acknowledge it

820
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: because so many people are talking about it. So fine,

821
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: I'll talk about it, but it probably shouldn't happen. But

822
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: I'll put him in the conversation because, like you say,

823
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: he's a great agent, so apparently we have to put

824
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: him in the conversation. I'm so glad we're not doing

825
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: quarterbacks with the Patriots this year. I'm so glad.

826
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: I have no idea what anybody saw in Jackson Dart

827
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: that week in Mobile, that all of a sudden he

828
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: became the darling of the quarterbacks that were in Mobile.

829
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: Jalen Milroe is intriguing ish because I hate to do

830
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: this to them, but like it's a copycat league. People

831
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: are gonna see Jalen Hurts and they're gonna think Jalen Milroe.

832
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,879
Speaker 1: They just are. It's lazy and it's bad. But that's

833
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: just the bottom line, that's how the league works. They're

834
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: gonna look at him dual threat quarterback, somebody that most

835
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: people consider raw as a passer. But we can develop

836
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: them and we can get them there, and if he's

837
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: supported and all that stuff, well he'll be Jalen Hurts

838
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: or something like that, and you know, water down Jalen Hurts.

839
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: Will Howard's intriguing to me for one reason, and that's

840
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: that if you're one of these OC or head coach

841
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: play callers that is really convinced that your system is

842
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: just the beas knees right, like your system is just

843
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: going to prop up any quarterback. Kyle Shanahan is an

844
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: obvious one, although I don't really see why.

845
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 2: But whatever the case, No, what do you mean, you know,

846
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: if they don't want to pay Rock Party.

847
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: It sounds like they're gonna pay Rock Party.

848
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 2: If they don't want to you Will Howard on day two.

849
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: If they go to brock Purty with the Daniel Jones

850
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: contract and it's like really kind of just a two

851
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: year deal, then maybe obviously Chip Kelly is in Vegas. Now,

852
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: say he need a quarterback.

853
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: Vegas for Will Howard makes a lot of sense.

854
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: If you're looking for that brock Purty type of quarterback

855
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: where all you're asking him to do is hit the

856
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: buttons on the controllers in a perfect situation with the

857
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: perfect line and perfect skilled players and all that kind

858
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: of stuff. Will Howard just did it at Ohio State, right,

859
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: And he can do that. And I think he's different

860
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: from JJ McCarthy because JJ McCarthy was like high ceiling,

861
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: low floor, right, whereas I think Will Howard is just

862
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: game manager.

863
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: Well, there's already different. Will Howard's a lot more experienced,

864
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: he's bigger. Yeah, JJ McCarthy was more athletic. Howard is

865
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 2: more athletic than people think, especially if you go watch

866
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: the Kansas State tape. He did more with his legs

867
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: at Kings Sikes in need to last year, except the

868
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: one time he really didn't need to when he did

869
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: against Oregon. But I don't know why I keep going

870
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: back to that, but like he's yeah, he's that guy.

871
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: He is as plug and play a quarterback as there

872
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: is in this draft except Jackson darterpar all.

873
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: Right, So that's the quarterbacks. They spend way too much

874
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: time on quarterbacks for team.

875
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 2: It's no, but it's definitely it's how it sets up

876
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: the board for the paper.

877
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: It's definitely irrelevant, and not only just last thing. It's

878
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: not only irrelevant at four. It could be relevant at

879
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: thirty eight because you brought up Will Levis, who goes

880
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: early second round, and is I think he's the first

881
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: pick of Day two Titans trade up for that he

882
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: might have, They might have. It sounds right, So it's

883
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: a factor twenty three. It's a factor in the in

884
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: the draft of how these quarterbacks fall and what that

885
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: means for the Patriots. The second biggest storyline for the

886
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: Patriots at the combine, I personally think it's the second biggest.

887
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: Maybe Travis Hunter and what he says about his position

888
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: they did both privately and publicly is the biggest, is

889
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: the second biggest story line. But to me personally, Will

890
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: Campbell's arm length and measurements is the second biggest.

891
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: April second, Sunday or March second, sorry Sunday, mark your calendars.

892
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: That to me is the second biggest story line. I've

893
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: gone back and forth enough about on Twitter with people.

894
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: I think everybody understands my stance on Will Campbell. The

895
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: one thing I'll continue to just say about Will Campbell

896
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: stop calling it a major reach if they take him

897
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: at four. We got to stop with that. It's not

898
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: He's a consensus top player in the draft. He's been

899
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: a top tackle prospect in the draft since last year,

900
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: when a lot of people thought he would have been,

901
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, right in between Joe Walton and Olufushanu if

902
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: he was able to come.

903
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: Out last year, which is I still think where he is, yeah,

904
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: as a player.

905
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: And now he is this year. He's sixth on the

906
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: consensus board. He's sixth on Dan Brugler's Top one hundred,

907
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: He's eighth and DJ's top fifty. He is a top

908
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: top prospect in this draft. If he comes in next

909
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 1: week and he's got thirty two and one eighths inch arms,

910
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: that we have to put it to bed, and I

911
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: will let it go. I will put it to bed

912
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: at that point. I don't think that's going to be

913
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: the case.

914
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: I don't think so either. It's just a hunch.

915
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: I don't have any great information, a hunch.

916
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: It's more a hunt for me because Daniel Jeremiah tweeted

917
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: I think in late January that Campbell was working out

918
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 2: as a tackle and he could he can go buy

919
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: a tape measure he can measure his arms right. If

920
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: he thinks he's gonna be going through the process as

921
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: a guard, training is a tackle is a massive waste

922
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 2: of time and a very important taking his life. So

923
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: if he's still training as a tackle, my guess is

924
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: he has an idea that he's going to measure in

925
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 2: as a tackle.

926
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: I think he's going to come in right over thirty

927
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: three inches. And this is just a hunch. I don't

928
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: have any inside information. I just think he's going to

929
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: come in right over thirty three.

930
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: Have you seen the people who did the thing where

931
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: it's like the computer generated it's him, and all right,

932
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: we know he's this tall and he'll do this, and

933
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: it's gonna as talking fever about this the other day.

934
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 2: He's gonna come in at thirty two and seven eighths

935
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: because that's for the content, that's where it's the best.

936
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: Because he comes in thirty three or higher, he's a tackle. Yeah,

937
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 2: thirty two and a half or less, he's a guard. Yeah,

938
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: thirty two and seven eighths is where we have the

939
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: conversation because now it becomes is he okay, he's below

940
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: the benchmark, but by literally like this much, right, is

941
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: he talented enough to reset the benchmark the way ra

942
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: Shaan Slater did three years ago. Thirty two and seven

943
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 2: eighths is where the conversation is anything else. There's no

944
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: conversation one way or the other. I'll make this pledge

945
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: to all the people that hate Will Campbell out there

946
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: right now. If he comes in over thirty three, you

947
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: shut up about the guard stuff. If he comes in

948
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: thirty two and a half or less, all shut up

949
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: about the tackle stuff. Thirty two and seven eighths is

950
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 2: where we have a debate.

951
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: I look at Will Campbell's film and I just I've

952
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: watched multiple times. Yeah, I try to see both sides

953
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: of it. I just don't think that length is his

954
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: biggest issue. I'm not saying that he doesn't have to

955
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: make up for it a little bit in other ways,

956
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: because he does.

957
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: There's no such thing as a perfect process. But I

958
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 2: don't I see.

959
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: His biggest issue to me right now is that he

960
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: overshoots or oversets his landmark to the outside, and that

961
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: opens up those inside counters, right, so he gets spun off,

962
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: or he gets beat to the inside, across his face

963
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: and things of that nature. That to me is more

964
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: about like footwork than it is about length. And with

965
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: tackle play and offensive line play, everything starts from the

966
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: ground up. It's a lot like quarterback. It's everything starts

967
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: with your feet. It's feet, and then it's do you

968
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: have a natural plan and feel for the position and

969
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: play strength? Those are the three biggest boxes you need

970
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: to check. He checks all three of those boxes. He's

971
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: a great athlete for the position. He moves well for

972
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: the position. He's a very very seasoned and battle tested.

973
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: Tackle in the by the way, he's.

974
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: Strong as heck. It's probably his best strength is his

975
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: core strength and his upper body twitch and his power

976
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: in his h in his body. He's a very strong dude.

977
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: So when you check all three of those boxes, like

978
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: those are the foundational elements to me to play tackle.

979
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: In the league.

980
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: Now we can talk about, all right, how is he

981
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: going to hand fight? How is he going to set

982
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: to counter the fact that he doesn't have the great length?

983
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: That's all coach, which I agree is all coachable.

984
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: So as Lexie's functional length, we'll.

985
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: Get to Will Campbell, you know, we'll see his arm length.

986
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: Maybe we put it to bed one way or and

987
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: now there, let me.

988
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: Ask you this. I'm putting it to bed because a

989
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: lot of people want them to trade down, and we

990
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: talked earlier about how they don't have a clear starting

991
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: left guard. Yeah, let's say they sign Alaric Jackson in

992
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: free agency, right, and you know they moved down in

993
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: the draft. Let's say they moved down to like ten

994
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: eleven twelve somewhere in there. Would you take him as

995
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 2: a guard at ten eleven twelve.

996
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: Oh, at ten eleven twelve, probably.

997
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 2: Not a four. I'm not at four if they depending

998
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: on what happens in free agency, there might be because

999
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: I think he's a hell of a guard too, if

1000
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: he's playing guard. Yeah, Like, if you move down, there's

1001
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 2: a chance he's, you know, one of the better players

1002
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: of bill. I don't know that i'd take him over

1003
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: like a Tyler Warren, But if you move down that far,

1004
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: you get what's fair for it. I'm not writing him

1005
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: off in Tigerly, it just becomes a lot, lot lot

1006
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: less realistic.

1007
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: I just look at two things that I hear a

1008
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: lot with Will Campbell. One is that he'd be a

1009
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: massive reach out for I need this not sure that

1010
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,399
Speaker 1: needs to stop, but that's not true. And the other

1011
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: is the word value, and that the value isn't good enough,

1012
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 1: which I'm not really sure what that means.

1013
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: I it's it's something. Well, it's like, what does that mean?

1014
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: It's also the thing people Well, I think it's just

1015
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: something people use as a placeholder. I feel like it's

1016
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: a This is a and I'm not like coming at anybody.

1017
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: I mean this honestly, and it's something I've dealt with.

1018
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: This is a difficult draft to talk about because of

1019
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: the lack of talent. Yeah, and a lot of things

1020
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: that we usually fall back on maybe aren't available. So

1021
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: when I hear people say I wouldn't take Will Campbell

1022
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 2: at four, the value is taking him at you know,

1023
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: seven eight nine. I wouldn't take Tech McMillan at four,

1024
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 2: but I take him at seven eight nine. Right, Guys

1025
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: like that, you know, uh, Mason Graham, same thing. Wouldn't

1026
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: take him at four, but I feel a lot better

1027
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: take him at seven eight nine because you feel like

1028
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: in a normal draft, that's where he go. Okay, well,

1029
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 2: you got to tell me then, when you move back

1030
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: from four to seven, or you moved back from four

1031
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: to nine, who's going in the picks in between? It's

1032
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: pushing him down because if you like and don't get

1033
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 2: to magically move back.

1034
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: And the other thing with the trade down thing that

1035
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,919
Speaker 1: that's starting to bug me is why is the team

1036
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: at at nine or the team at seven or the

1037
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: team at ten or whatever, like you have to have

1038
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: a reason to trade to nine.

1039
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: Six And I shouldn't have been using seven. I pulled

1040
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: that out of my ass. It's six and nine.

1041
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: It's okay, But you're convincing me. Then they're trading up

1042
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: for the quarterback, right, which I.

1043
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 2: Just don't see happening. It's not a guarantee, but just

1044
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: for the sake of the conversation, right.

1045
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,439
Speaker 1: Correct, But like that's what we're doing. We're just making

1046
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: up conversation. And like six and nine to me, like

1047
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: every we would all unless Abdol Carter, Travis Hunter is

1048
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: sitting there at four, Yeah, I would confidently say that

1049
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 1: we would all take the trade down. We would all

1050
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: do it. We would all trade down in this draft.

1051
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: It's the way to go for them. It adds draft capital.

1052
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: It's not a great top of the draft. You're not

1053
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: talking about getting a Joe Alter or Marvin Harrison junior

1054
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: or a Molik neighbor level talent at that spot, it's

1055
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: the move. But who is trading up and why? And

1056
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: what are you getting for it? Like is it worth

1057
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: the trade?

1058
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: That's that's the other thing. You don't just move down

1059
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: if it's all right, you know Saints called move down

1060
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: to nine, you know will give you nine and a

1061
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 2: third round pick. No, that's not worth it, and you

1062
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 2: don't want to set that precedent, even if somebody might say, well,

1063
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 2: if that's all you can get in this draft, it's

1064
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: better than nothing. But now next year, when you're on

1065
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: the phone with teams, like you've set and this is

1066
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 2: gonna happen to other teams too, like you've set the value.

1067
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: It's it's economics at that point. Now six to nine

1068
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: is worth a third round pick, which it's not. And

1069
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: you don't want to set the precedent that it is

1070
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: because you might be trading down in the future and

1071
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: you don't want to have to set that. You're just

1072
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: you're you're it just to me.

1073
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: It's just comes back to you have to look at

1074
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: it and say, who is trading up and why are

1075
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: they trading up? And then to your point, who is

1076
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: going right from at nine? To make sure that you're

1077
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: getting Will Campbell at nine now or Ted McMillan at nine.

1078
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: For these mythical players that are going in between that.

1079
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: You know, if there's nobody who feel comfortable being drafting

1080
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: at four and five or six guys you feel comfortable

1081
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 2: drafting at nine, guess what those five guys are going

1082
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: between four and nine, right, Like, that's who's gonna fill

1083
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna fill that gap. So that part's really important

1084
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 2: to keep in mind that you're, uh, it's six sixth

1085
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: right on Danie jeremiahs board, Will Campbell sixth.

1086
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: He's eighth on on DJ's and he's sixth on Dane Brew.

1087
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 2: Fine, that's fine. And I don't know if he has

1088
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks above them, but like I don't believe you

1089
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: can almost just erase those guys that he does, or

1090
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: if he is genty above him, you can erase genty right. Well,

1091
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 2: that goes to my other point of best player available,

1092
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: and this is bugging me. Just take the best player available.

1093
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: And you know how I feel about this, yea, what

1094
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 2: best player available is a myth? Just saying I want

1095
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: the team to draft the best player available as a myth,

1096
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: because what does that mean if we were going to

1097
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: say evan best player. Okay, so we're ranking them out

1098
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 2: of one hundred, right, how good are they at their position?

1099
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 2: Out of one hundred? Ashton Genty a better running back

1100
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: than Mason Graham is a tackle? Defense tackle? All right?

1101
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: So according to best player available logic, we're taking Ashton Genty.

1102
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: Is Ashton Genty a better running back then? I mean

1103
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: who else is? I'll throw Will Campbell in there is

1104
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: Ashton gent a better running back than Will Campbell is

1105
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: a tackle? Yes? Yeah? So is Go back to last year,

1106
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: if we're just talking about who was the best at

1107
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 2: their position, Tory Taylor was the best player on the

1108
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 2: board by pick like five or six something like that.

1109
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly. A lot of teams passed on

1110
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: Tory Taylor. A lot of teams didn't take the best

1111
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: player available. Now people are yelling at me, it's a punter,

1112
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: it's a running big. Well, now we're putting qualifiers on it.

1113
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: Now we're talking about positional value. So it's not best

1114
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,879
Speaker 2: player available, it's and even within that, even if it's

1115
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: a guy to premium position. And this isn't something the

1116
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 2: Patriots are necessarily dealing with. This year. Beyond quarterback or

1117
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: maybe corner. You need a guy that's gonna play. You

1118
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: need a guy that's gonna have a path to succeed.

1119
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: So best player available really means best player available for

1120
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: the football team. That's not purely drafting for need either,

1121
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: because you can go in the in the too far

1122
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: in the other direction and that's how you end up with,

1123
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: you know, taking guards and you know too high and

1124
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: running backs to hie and things like that. You want

1125
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: a guy that is gonna give you the bang for

1126
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 2: the buck, and that's where value comes in. But there's

1127
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,840
Speaker 2: a happy medium there just saying you're gonna draft the

1128
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: best player. You're gonna be drafting punters and running backs

1129
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 2: because usually five or six picks in the most talented

1130
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: player on the board punter, running back, kicker, maybe a

1131
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: guard because those positions are devalued, so you have to

1132
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: find that balance.

1133
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: So I think this is like a new segment that

1134
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: we might have and I understand that it's it's a

1135
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: little bit maybe pretentious on our end, but like the

1136
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: things that are just bugging us about the draft discourse,

1137
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: because I feel like this draft is already getting it.

1138
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: I've ever a.

1139
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 2: Long time said best player available as a myth. I've

1140
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: said that for two or three years.

1141
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: A month and that's not new. And I'm already annoyed

1142
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: by several things. The trade down one is annoying me

1143
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: because this is one of those drafts when I and

1144
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: when I was in Mobile, everybody everybody wants to trade down.

1145
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to pick in this draft. Everybody wants to.

1146
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: Trade downing you keep everybody.

1147
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: If everybody wants to trade down, then who is trading up?

1148
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: Like I know, to go back to go, I will

1149
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: say it's crazy. Everyone wants to trade down. No one

1150
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: wants to pick high in this draft.

1151
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 2: I'll entertain the trade up trade down thing a little

1152
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 2: bit more because at the end of the day, when

1153
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: push comes to shove, we know teams will get dumb

1154
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: about quarterbacks. We know We've seen it time and time.

1155
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: Teams might get dumb about the quarterbacks in this draft

1156
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: because it's at that point it's just like the town

1157
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: stinks anyways. So like, if we're Tennessee and we really

1158
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: have a strong grade on cam Ward.

1159
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: We feel good about it. We don't think he might

1160
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: not be an MVP.

1161
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: Caliber quarterback, but we feel like he can be a

1162
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: starting quarterback in this league and we still have like

1163
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: a comparable ish grade on him as we do on

1164
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: Abdul Carter, Then like, why wouldn't we take the quarterback? Right?

1165
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: And that's how I feel about all the options for

1166
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: the Patriots at four to like your best player available point.

1167
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: If all these players are clustered together, If Will Campbell

1168
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: and Mason Graham and Ted McMillan and Tyler Warren or

1169
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: whoever are all in one big cluster on your draft board,

1170
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: position is a factors.

1171
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: It does start to factor. It's the tie breaker.

1172
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: It's a tiebreaker, right, because otherwise it just you have

1173
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: to pick somebody. So to get to who you're gonna pick,

1174
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna start to go to some of the things

1175
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: that maybe don't matter quite as much as the overall

1176
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: talent of the player, but are factors in the decision.

1177
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: Positional value, how we interviewed, how he measured, how is

1178
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: athletic testing, Like all these different things are gonna start

1179
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: to be the tiebreakers because all this talent is kind

1180
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: of condensed. And in this draft, I feel like that

1181
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: is so true more than any other draft I've ever covered.

1182
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: That From like four to twelve. It's all kind of

1183
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: the same player. So now it's do you need to tackle?

1184
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: Do you need a running back? Do you need a

1185
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: pass rusher? Do you do you need a corner?

1186
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 2: Will Johnson and we can debate, We can debate what

1187
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 2: the biggest need is at that point, like that's fair

1188
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 2: to do. And I think we both think it's tackling

1189
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: of those edge rusher. I might have that conversation, but yeah, yeah,

1190
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 2: to me, it's at that point. Position does factor and

1191
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: as well. But I'm not ruling out the trade down entirely.

1192
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: I'm not.

1193
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that I get that everyone wants

1194
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: out of this draft.

1195
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 2: I get that, and it suddenly and then suddenly you're

1196
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 2: a GM and you know the owner is really breathing

1197
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 2: on you. Who's our quarterback going to be this year?

1198
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 2: And maybe get some intel. You know, you're the Saints

1199
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: at nine, that were the Jets at seven or eight, whatever.

1200
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: You know, the Jets are hot after one of these

1201
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: quarterbacks announce all right, you know, gotta we gotta make

1202
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: ownership happy. We gotta save our jobs. We need this quarterback.

1203
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: We got to move like that can all. I will

1204
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: never rule out teams being stupid about quarterbacks. I will

1205
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 2: never rule that out because I've seen it happen too

1206
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: many times. I was told last year ad nause them.

1207
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 2: It was yelled into my face that Michael Pennix there

1208
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 2: was no shot he was gonna go in the first round.

1209
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: He was QB four. He went in the top ten.

1210
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that was a dumb pick. I

1211
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: liked that pick. The JJ McCarthy one was dumb. And

1212
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 2: that's the one where I was rung where I was like,

1213
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 2: I think teams will get it right, and they didn't.

1214
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 2: They picked them too high. So I quarterbacks will always

1215
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: fly up the board. Will they fly up enough that

1216
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 2: it benefits the Patriots in either pushing down Carter or

1217
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: Hunter or at least they can get a significant trade

1218
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: down out of it that I don't know. That is

1219
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: where maybe it's a step too far. But the quarterbacks

1220
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: are gonna go higher than people think. They're gonna be

1221
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: valued more than people think. A couple of the Tier

1222
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks that we just talked about are gonna get

1223
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 2: talked about as top ten, top fifteen picks. They might

1224
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: even end up being that, because that's what generally happens

1225
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: with this league in quarterbacks, So saying that any of

1226
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: that is correct from the team's point of view, but

1227
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 2: I've seen it happen too many times. I'm not rolling

1228
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: it out.

1229
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: Okay, next point on here for me in terms of

1230
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: the combine. Now that we've gotten all that off our

1231
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: chests and I can die, I digress on those points.

1232
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: Josh Simmons, So medical rechecks, Yes, that's big time this

1233
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: time of year. My guess is that teams that are

1234
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: interested in Josh Simmons will also have him in for

1235
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: thirty visits to get their own medical staff on location

1236
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: to go through the knee as well. But his torn

1237
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: bertel attendant and his knee, I don't remember if it's

1238
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: left or right. I think it's right. Is the cold

1239
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: Strange injury?

1240
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 2: Yep?

1241
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: So Cole Strange missed an entire calendar year of football.

1242
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 2: It is worth noting. Didn't he say he had a setback?

1243
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't remember hearing that, but you could

1244
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: be right. But so Josh Simmons a left tackle for

1245
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: Ohio State. There's there's two big things to go to

1246
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: discuss with Josh Simmons. Because the other thing that you

1247
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: hear a lot of and I'm not like as I'm

1248
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: bothered by this is like the Will Campbell stuff. But

1249
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: the other here thing you hear a lot of what

1250
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: Josh Simmons is. Well, just take Josh Simmons, right, Just

1251
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: take Josh Simmons. Uh, you know, with your second pick

1252
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: and that way there you don't have to quote unquote

1253
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: reach on a tackle at four.

1254
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 2: Overall, I don't know why I thought cold Strange said

1255
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: that I can't find it.

1256
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: Oh you mean Josh Simmons.

1257
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 2: No, close Strange.

1258
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: You think Strange had a set back.

1259
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 2: No, I thought I remember when he came back. I

1260
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 2: thought I remembered him saying when he was like talking

1261
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 2: about rehab that he was like, oh, like that he

1262
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 2: had a setback on so normally, so.

1263
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: That injury has become worse than like the torn ACL

1264
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: Like ACLS, they have kind of streamlined the surgery and

1265
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: the rehab and they have a good feel for that injury.

1266
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: This injury torn Betel attendant is a deadly injury like

1267
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: it is not. Again, well, let's say you're being metaphorical there. Yeah,

1268
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: of course deadly injuries.

1269
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: Okay, that has a literal meaning devastating injury.

1270
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: Yes, Uh, to have and so cold strange missed an

1271
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: entire calendar year of football. Josh Simmons was injured in

1272
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: November of last year, which means that at best we're

1273
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: projecting him to come back in November of this coming

1274
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: up season to make his NFL debut as a rookie.

1275
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 2: Right So, in.

1276
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: All intents and purposes, if you're drafting a guy like

1277
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: Josh Simmons as of right now, and there'll be a

1278
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: report next week from somebody that he's way ahead of schedule,

1279
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: because he always is, what happens, you know, the agent

1280
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: puts it out there. I think his agents Drew Rosenhouse,

1281
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: he'll put it out there that he's way ahead of

1282
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: schedule and make it known that he's going to be

1283
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: healthy and ready to go. That being said, if Josh

1284
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: Simmons misses a calendar year of football, you are you're

1285
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: really not getting him until his second year of service.

1286
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: And even then is he going to be the same

1287
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: player after the injury. It's a very difficult injury to

1288
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 2: come back from. So on one hand, just from a

1289
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: Patriots point of view, I don't know that this team

1290
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 2: can afford to have its first round pick not play

1291
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: like they need to be better in the first Roundick

1292
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: is going to be a part to that and he's

1293
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: not going to play. And then on top of that,

1294
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: are you getting the same player? Is their risk of

1295
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: re injury? All of that. You know, I've compared it,

1296
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 2: and this is a little bit extreme. I've kind of

1297
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: compared it to Dominique Easley. Now. At the time, the

1298
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: Patriots were in a position to take a player like

1299
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: that because their roster was incredibly deep and they were

1300
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 2: picking at the end of the first round, and how

1301
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: do you get a guy who was the top fifteen

1302
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 2: talent at the end of the first round? Medical red flag?

1303
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 2: Malcolm Mitchell was the same thing, was much more talented

1304
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: than his draft slot, but had a history of injury.

1305
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 2: You take a significant risk when you take players like that.

1306
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: And here people talk about you know, with the talent,

1307
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: you know there's not a risk because the talent blah

1308
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 2: blah blah. He's very talented. I get that. The medical

1309
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 2: thing is separate. Well, if he was healthy, but he's not, yeah,

1310
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: and you need to evaluate him that way. I had

1311
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: a couple other players too for the medical check.

1312
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: So the other thing that's big with Josh Simmons and

1313
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: I just wanted to point out I think this has

1314
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: to be part of the conversation. Josh Simmons played five

1315
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: games last year for Ohio State. He played junk, He

1316
01:00:55,640 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: played nobody. He played a terrible you know, typical big

1317
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: time college program opening schedule right where he's playing, you know,

1318
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: really just not at like high level competition. So he

1319
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: absolutely dominated bad competition. Okay, his best competition I think

1320
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: he played Iowa in Michigan State, which were too not

1321
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: very good football.

1322
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: He get hurt against somebody good.

1323
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: He got hurt against Oregon. Yeah, in the first half

1324
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: against Oregon. He played like twenty snaps against Oregon. So

1325
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: if you want to draft a player in the first

1326
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: round based off of twenty snaps against Oregon, then be

1327
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: my guest. But my point that I'm getting to with

1328
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: Josh Simmons, his tape took a really big leap from

1329
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four. The problem is

1330
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: is that once Ohio State got to the meat of

1331
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: the schedule, he was hurt. So we have no idea

1332
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: what he would have looked like against Michigan against the

1333
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: teams they played in the College Football Playoff. Like we

1334
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: just don't know if this tape that was dominant for

1335
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: stretches at the beginning part of the season, would it

1336
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: have held up against better competition. We'll never know. So

1337
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: not only are you taking an injury risk on the player,

1338
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: but you're also projecting that this is all was all real,

1339
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: that that was all real and all substantive in terms

1340
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 1: of his tape last year. That's a pick to me

1341
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: with Josh Simmons, as intriguing as the traits are and

1342
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: is intriguing as the prospect profile is with him. If

1343
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: you're Kansas City, if you're a San Francisco, if you're

1344
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: one of these teams that can take on a little

1345
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 1: bit of risk because you have the talent in other

1346
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: areas to take on that risk, this would be a

1347
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: classic dynasty era Belichick pick. Right, we're gonna take Josh Simmons.

1348
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: He might not play as a rookie, but in year two,

1349
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a franchise left tackle, and guess what

1350
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: we have Matt Lighte like on the last year of

1351
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 1: his contract to play next season. It's exactly what Bill

1352
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: would have done if they were picking thirty second in

1353
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: a draft. He would have taken a chance on a

1354
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: guy like this. You know, obviously I hope it works

1355
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: out better for Josh Simmons, but like it's not all

1356
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: that different than like Dominique Easley, right, yea that yeah?

1357
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: Oh did you?

1358
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1359
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: What hose?

1360
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 2: Listen And I've been saying it for like three weeks.

1361
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: What the hell so texted that to you?

1362
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: So it's like Dominic Easley, right, So all of these

1363
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: things add up to him going to a team like that.

1364
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: It for the Patriots, I just don't think it's a

1365
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: very safe pick for them. I don't think it makes

1366
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense. But his medical recheck will happen,

1367
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: We'll see what the knee looks like. We'll hear from

1368
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: me and Rappaport that he's six months ahead of schedule,

1369
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 1: and we'll talk more and more about Josh Simmons as

1370
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 1: we go. Who is your other.

1371
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 2: I was I'm just gonna say, on Simmons, if he

1372
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 2: gets to thirty eight, I'd entertain it a little more,

1373
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 2: especially if they don't take a tackle at the top.

1374
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: But he's not getting past the Chiefs at thirty one.

1375
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: There's no way. There's no way. The other injury guys,

1376
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 2: his teammates Seth mc McLaughlin, who was the center there

1377
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: at Ohio State, was a starter at Alabama. We'll started

1378
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 2: at Ohio State. He got hurt a little later in

1379
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: the year Tours Achilles, so that's another very significant injury.

1380
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 2: But unlike Simmons, this is a guy that just projected

1381
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 2: to go fourth, fifth, maybe even sixth rounds somewhere middle

1382
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 2: of day three. So at that point, yeah, you can

1383
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: take on the hit of a guy not playing. And

1384
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 2: you know the other part of that comparison we made

1385
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: with Josh Simmons, Like you said, you know we have

1386
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 2: Matt Light to take over. You still have David Andrews

1387
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: for a year, So Seth McLoughlin can learn behind the scenes.

1388
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: You take him in the fifth round. Benjamin Morrison, corner

1389
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 2: from Notre Dame. He dealt with an injury at the

1390
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 2: end of the year. Bryson Nesbit, his stock was a

1391
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 2: little because of injury. And then the really interesting one.

1392
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 2: I've actually gotten some questions about this guy the past

1393
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 2: couple of days because I think people are starting to

1394
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 2: look more beyond the first round. Chavon Revel from East

1395
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 2: Carolina was a transfer. He's everything, you know how I

1396
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 2: like long man corner, great athlete, all of that, but

1397
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: I think he only played like three games before he

1398
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 2: tours ACL and he's Carolina, so he really is an unknown.

1399
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 2: There's a ton of untapped potential there. He is somebody

1400
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: because he tours ACL so early in the season. I

1401
01:04:58,440 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: don't know that he's making it on the field like

1402
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 2: one of camp. But he's gonna be able to play

1403
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 2: as a rookie. He would be if his medicals check out.

1404
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: The Patriots want to get aggressive at corner. If he

1405
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: does fall to thirty eight, and maybe he doesn't if

1406
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: the medicals don't check out, if the medicals do check out,

1407
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 2: but like, if he's somehow on the board of thirty

1408
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 2: eight and the health is good, would be a very

1409
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 2: interesting player for me.

1410
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only other guy that I just because I

1411
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: watched him recently, actually yesterday. I don't think his injuries major,

1412
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: but Cameron Williams from Texas, the right tackle he had

1413
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: that knee injury in the College Football playoffs. Yeah, but

1414
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: it seemed like that was maybe more severe than what

1415
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: they initially thought, and he kind of cut it through

1416
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 1: it for the sake of the College Football playoff and

1417
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: played terribly. But that's not his fault for playing back.

1418
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: Sawyer is very good on a.

1419
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: He did a lot better against against Jack Sawyer or

1420
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 1: not Jack Sawyer. It was the Georgia tape, so they

1421
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: played Georgia in the regular season. Yeah, and he was

1422
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: a lot better in that tape than he was later

1423
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: in the College Football playoff. Still not like in love

1424
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: with him, But that's a thing too. I meant to

1425
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: bring up. With the tackles, It's hard in this class

1426
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: to me to find a Day two tackle that I love.

1427
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: I don't really, I'm not crazy about any of them.

1428
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: I think Josh Connery is the best out of that

1429
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: next way, but I think he's gonna go late first

1430
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: same but has all the issues that big hulking tackles

1431
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: like that have with his foot speed.

1432
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 2: You think he has a franchise starter upside.

1433
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,440
Speaker 1: I do. I think he can start in the league.

1434
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: I left tackle just because guys that big that have

1435
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: his movement, but it's weird. His movement like translates the

1436
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: run games, but he's not as graceful in pass protection.

1437
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: He's a lot more lumbering when he's in his past set.

1438
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: When he's run blocking, he's like really athletic for his size.

1439
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: In pass protection not so much. And then you get

1440
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: to like that Donovan Jackson from Ohio State is a

1441
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: guard guard, not a tackle. He looks like a guard

1442
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: playing tackle through and through on his film all over

1443
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: the place. You know, guard guard, Wilett Milam, guard Center

1444
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: Center potentially. You know, so this year, last year you

1445
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: had that Kingsley, Siu, Mattia, Patrick, Paul Roger, Rose and

1446
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: Garden like you had a nice little day too tier

1447
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: in there. Obviously, the Patriots ended up taking Kid and

1448
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 1: Wallace with the last of that tier. This year, I

1449
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: don't think that that depth is as strong as tackle

1450
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: as it was last year, probably because you don't have

1451
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: the Alts and the Fashanus and the J. C. Latham's

1452
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: and the those guys pushing them down.

1453
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 2: I will say this though, the run on tackles is

1454
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 2: the theory I have. The run on tackles last year

1455
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 2: was not an anomaly because there's such a shortage at

1456
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: the position. I think this is gonna become a norm.

1457
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 2: Once the tackles start going, they're gonna go. And so

1458
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 2: some of those guys you just mentioned, like maybe we

1459
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:53,919
Speaker 2: don't love, but they're gonna go higher than we think.

1460
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 2: I think this is until we get balanced back out

1461
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: in this tackle shortage ends, which when that's gonna be.

1462
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 2: I think this is going to become a thing where

1463
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: we're gonna start seeing tackles go much earlier than we expect,

1464
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: and we're gonna see these runs on that position on

1465
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 2: Day two. Hopefully the Patriots don't miss it this year.

1466
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: They missed it last year, but I don't think that

1467
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 2: was an anomaly. I think that that's going to kind

1468
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:16,480
Speaker 2: of become the norm.

1469
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: Next storyline here for me. Yeah, I mentioned it briefly before,

1470
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 1: but all eyes are gonna be on Travis Hunter's podium

1471
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: when he goes up there and he answers questions about

1472
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: what position he wants to play, what position he's going

1473
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: to play. Teams obviously privately are gonna have conversations with

1474
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: him about their plan and their vision for how they

1475
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 1: would use him in the NFL. It's a big week

1476
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: for Travis Hunter to present himself in this way and

1477
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 1: kind of make his pitch to play both publicly and

1478
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: more importantly privately of how he wants to be used

1479
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: at the next level. I released my tears, like I

1480
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, with the wide receivers. I still think Travis

1481
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: Hunter is the best receiver in the class. I've been

1482
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: pretty consistent with that. I would play him at wide receiver.

1483
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: Maybe that's a little bit of Patriots biased because that's

1484
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: the bigger needs.

1485
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:05,879
Speaker 2: I think it happens on the team.

1486
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: I would play my wide receiver period.

1487
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 2: What if you're like in, he's not a fall as far,

1488
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,520
Speaker 2: but like if you're the Eagles who were loaded wide receiver.

1489
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: In corners, like I guess, Like, yeah, I guess at

1490
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you want to be really

1491
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 1: specific about it.

1492
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 2: How many team's gonna have a shot at him five

1493
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:22,839
Speaker 2: if we're being generous?

1494
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: If so, what at all? It's And I've had the

1495
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: same take on him the whole time. What it comes

1496
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 1: down to with Travis Hunter is where is what is?

1497
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: How is he going to be more impactful for your

1498
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: football team? And I just personally feel like he'd be

1499
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: more impactful playing wide receiver. I think that that's a given.

1500
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: Like you know, and everybody keeps on throwing at me

1501
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: because I'm you know, big Will Campbell guy. You know

1502
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 1: what Dante Scarnecki has said about scoring touchdowns or sacking

1503
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback Where is covering receivers in that equation? Right?

1504
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 2: This is a guy that scores.

1505
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: Touchdowns on offense, had sixteen of them last year, and

1506
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 1: with Colorado, this is a guy that mixed big plays

1507
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: on offense with the ball in his hands at the

1508
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: catch point. He is a very very good receiver. Is

1509
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: he a better corner on film? Yeah? Probably? But like again,

1510
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: where is he gonna make the biggest impact on the

1511
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: football team. It's gonna be a wide receiver. I'm interested,

1512
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: really interested to hear what he says about it. He's

1513
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: listed as a defensive back. I don't want to look

1514
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: too much into that.

1515
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:23,560
Speaker 2: I think that's just logistics.

1516
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll see what happens. You know what he says.

1517
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: But the Travis Hunter of it all is a big

1518
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:29,200
Speaker 1: time storyline.

1519
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw one more kind of substoryline in that.

1520
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 2: And you wrote about this guy too. He's not the

1521
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 2: only one that I think the position question is relevant. Yeah,

1522
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 2: Savian Williams.

1523
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: I like Savon Williams a lot, but I too, I'm

1524
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 1: terrified that's so not your guy. Well, you also like

1525
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: Trey Harris. What is going on with you? I'm terrified

1526
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: of Savian Williams would.

1527
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,960
Speaker 2: Be, but you should like him and be terrified of him.

1528
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: I the thing with save On Williams, and I put

1529
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: him in that like role specific tier because I think

1530
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: that's what it is. You have to have a creative

1531
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: plan and usage. It's a lot. We talk about this

1532
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: all the time with like like John new Smith and

1533
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: things like that.

1534
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,679
Speaker 2: Now Johnny Wilson.

1535
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: The difference between him and like a John new Smith

1536
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 1: with Josh McDaniels is Josh McDaniels had Cordeal Patterson and

1537
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: made Corderill Patterson a viable player for the Patriots in

1538
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 1: what eighteen was that seventeen eighteen? He won a Super

1539
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: Bowl right somewhere around there, No, when we were covering

1540
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 1: the team, So I want to say it was eighteen

1541
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: because he had the kickerturn in Chicago.

1542
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen eighteen.

1543
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: So they were a step ahead on Cordeal Patterson running back,

1544
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: like they I they should take credit for that. They

1545
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: did it first. They put him at running back first.

1546
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 1: So if you see a guy like saving I'm not

1547
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: taking Savion Williams and expecting him to be any sort

1548
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: of savior. I'm not take I don't even know if

1549
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: i'd take him in the top one hundred. But if

1550
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 1: he if he's there at like one oh four for

1551
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: them in the fourth.

1552
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 2: Round, brainer, no brainer.

1553
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 1: I think he's a big time playmaker, and I think

1554
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,559
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more fluid than Cordele Patterson. Maybe

1555
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: not as explosive in a straight line, but like, I

1556
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: feel like his route running, he's got a little bit

1557
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: more like sink and wiggle to his game.

1558
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:01,560
Speaker 2: I'll be interested to see if he does any of

1559
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: the running back on field drills. Yeah, that would be

1560
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:05,760
Speaker 2: interesting and I think that would tell us a lot.

1561
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 2: I figure he's gonna go He's listed as a receiver, right,

1562
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: I believe, so he's going to go through that and

1563
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 2: I expect him to the receiver drills and that'll be

1564
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 2: interesting too, because like his route running is a big question.

1565
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, his hands, his hands are terrible. That I

1566
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: think is the biggest question.

1567
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 2: Does he do any of the there's a chance the

1568
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 2: gauntlet is ugly if he goes through the So you

1569
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 2: know he's gone to the gauntlet too, don't they do they?

1570
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I think so he's a body catcher.

1571
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 1: He's got bad drops on film, like he's got some

1572
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: bad drops on film that like almost lead to interceptions,

1573
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, like they just like bounce off his hands

1574
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 1: and pop up in the air and guys are around

1575
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 1: the ball. So you are you need to scheme touches

1576
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: for this guy, right, you need to get this player

1577
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,639
Speaker 1: into space. But if they let him, you know, they

1578
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: use him like Patterson with the Patriots at the end

1579
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: there with Patterson, I think there's a chance that he's

1580
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: a viable player for you, like an offensive weapon. It's

1581
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,559
Speaker 1: just gonna have to be creative. So that's a good one.

1582
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: Good shout up With Savan Williams. You're surprised I like him.

1583
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 2: I like, that's not your like fun, he's fun. He's fun.

1584
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: To be clear with Trey Harris, because you a couple

1585
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: of people brought this up to me. I like Trey Harris,

1586
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: but I'm not that's not my kind of guy. And

1587
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: like I'm if I had to bang the table for

1588
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: anybody in that tier, wouldn't be Trey Harris. But I

1589
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: watched his film and I was like, Okay, I can

1590
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 1: see it, Like I can see the ability there. A

1591
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: lot of his his yards and a lot of his

1592
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: big time production came against garbage defenses. But regardless, you know,

1593
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: you can see the movement and all that kind of stuff.

1594
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: I told you, I think my favorite guy from from

1595
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: that tier, other than the one other guy I want

1596
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: to bring up in a second, is probably Jalen noele

1597
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: Uh from you. I think that, you know, he's probably

1598
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: the best receiver in my mind in that group. But

1599
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: so Travis Hunter, we did the last one. You're gonna love.

1600
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna love this one, and then you can.

1601
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 2: Be Tes Johnson's forty, I think he can break I.

1602
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: Think I think he's gonna break the record. So I

1603
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't say I think he's gonna break it. I think

1604
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: he has a chance to break it. I think it's

1605
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: worth watching.

1606
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:01,719
Speaker 2: I have I had your two guys, Tes Johnson, Isaiah

1607
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 2: Bond Yeah, on my list of players to watch. And

1608
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,400
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. What's the question I ask you

1609
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 2: every time you bring them up? Fast and what?

1610
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: So let's see the teds Johnson's not just fast.

1611
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 2: Let's see the gauntlet. I don't care so much about

1612
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 2: the ford. I mean the forty will be interesting if Tes.

1613
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: Johnes Tess Johnson's quick.

1614
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 2: Well, so I'm saying, let's see the Gauntlet. Let's see

1615
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 2: the three cone. Yeah, if he does, let's see the shuttle.

1616
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: People aren't doing three cones anymore.

1617
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 2: Let's see the shuttle then, yeah, the gauntlet will be

1618
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: telling like that. Let's see him and Bond. Let's see

1619
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 2: how they do in those in those. And with Tesz

1620
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 2: Johnson to especially, I know he measured it at the

1621
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl. Did he put any more weight on? Did

1622
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 2: he hear the noise and put any more weight on?

1623
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 2: Between then and now?

1624
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: The problem with Tedes Johnson in terms of waight, and

1625
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: I haven't thought on Isaiah Bond too. The problem with

1626
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: Tesz Johnson is that I don't know if his frame

1627
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: can support any more weight, Like he's only five nine. Yeah,

1628
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: well that's so like you just here's who he is,

1629
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: Like he's too too out, well, at worst, he's tanked.

1630
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: At best, does he stay healthy? I don't know, right, Like, well, if.

1631
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 2: You're gonna use top forty pi kind of guy, which

1632
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 2: is probably where they would need to take him, you

1633
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 2: kind of need him to stay healthy.

1634
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: He I think he's faster on film than Isaiah Bond

1635
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: is Isaiah Bond's got that like gliding vertical speed right

1636
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 1: where like when he runs a fade, it just builds

1637
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 1: builds builds, and all of a sudden, he's buy you.

1638
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:21,760
Speaker 1: Tedes Johnson is like blistering fast like he is quick, fast, agile,

1639
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: all of it. He pops off the film. In terms

1640
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: of his game speed, it's different than everybody else on

1641
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: the tape. So I think Ted Johnson has a real

1642
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 1: chance to break the record that Xavier Worthy just put down,

1643
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: which is what four to two to one, all right,

1644
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 1: So I think he has a real chance to break it.

1645
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 1: If he doesn't run in the four twos, I'd be shocked.

1646
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: He's gonna run the four two so he's gonna put

1647
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 1: down a really good time. I'm excited to watch him run.

1648
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 1: I love Tedes Johnson. I know he's gonna get hurt.

1649
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: I know it's not gonna last in the league. I

1650
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,760
Speaker 1: know he'd get drafted by the Patriots. They get a

1651
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: month into the season, he'd have like three hundred and

1652
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,599
Speaker 1: fifty yards and three touchdowns, like three games into his

1653
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: Patriots career, and then blow out his leg and like,

1654
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, it'll be Malcolm Mitchell all over again or something.

1655
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,839
Speaker 1: I understand. But if it all, if you can somehow

1656
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: stay healthy. That guy is a difference making receiver.

1657
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 2: That is a gift.

1658
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: That's a big if, but he is a big time

1659
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: playmaker if he stays healthy. Okay, what else you got?

1660
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:22,760
Speaker 2: I think we pretty much hit on everything. Just we

1661
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 2: talked about the tie breakers. That pass rush group from

1662
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,799
Speaker 2: like twenty to fifty. Yeah, is so crowded.

1663
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: Yep, so just kind of so as well take one

1664
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: at four.

1665
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 2: Right right, sorting some of those guys out. Well, if it's.

1666
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: Carter besides Carter, Carter, Carter was the exception, the last

1667
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: one that I had here. It's gonna surprise you a

1668
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: little bit. I am mildly intrigued by this running back class.

1669
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 2: You should be.

1670
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: The strength of this draft on offense is that running

1671
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 1: back and tight end. I think both those positions are

1672
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: gonna put on absolute shows. Yes, and this combine I

1673
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 1: think they not only is it the strength in terms

1674
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: of just there's great talent and depth of those two positions.

1675
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: I think they're great athletes at those two positions as well.

1676
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: So I think this is gonna be a combined group

1677
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: in both categories. A couple of guys I'm looking out.

1678
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 2: For evan running backs to watch. Let's hear this.

1679
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: I love Omarin Hampton. He's gonna go high. He's probably

1680
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: gonna go first round. So he might be way out of.

1681
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,600
Speaker 2: The page that I think that's coming from me.

1682
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: I think he might be RB two in this class.

1683
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,600
Speaker 2: Shouldn't be. He might be. You're right, he shouldn't be,

1684
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 2: but he might be.

1685
01:17:26,360 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: He's very very good.

1686
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 2: Shout out to it, as Jeremiah right. With three running

1687
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 2: backs in the round. That's how you do a mock draft.

1688
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,000
Speaker 1: I have to think that. Two things I keep. I

1689
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: say it all the time. With him, I'm biased because

1690
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: I saw him at run routes at Drake Mace pro Day.

1691
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 1: I loved what I saw, and I think Drake loves him.

1692
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: So there's gonna be that element of it. Maybe it's

1693
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: probably high, too high for running back. Who's the running

1694
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: back from Kansas.

1695
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 2: The Neil Devin.

1696
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: Neil is the other guy at the Senior Bowl. I

1697
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: was really impressed with really good burst to the edge.

1698
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna put down maybe not like the

1699
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,520
Speaker 1: greatest forty time, but like those ten yards.

1700
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 2: More good ten yards play.

1701
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: He gets agility. I think he's really smooth with the

1702
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:11,880
Speaker 1: football as well. So those are the two running backs.

1703
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there's obviously one hundred running backs, but on

1704
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:15,520
Speaker 1: the top of my list.

1705
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 2: I'm still fascinated. I can't get over all e Gorton.

1706
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 2: Alli Gordon's twenty twenty three at Oklahoma State was so dominant.

1707
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 2: He was so good, and I know he took the

1708
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 2: step back last year, but just looking at it and

1709
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 2: the big picture of what Oklahoma State football was last year,

1710
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: he was never in a position to succeed last season,

1711
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 2: and I got it frustrated him and all of that.

1712
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 2: He is a rare build at that position. He's faster

1713
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 2: than people realize because he's so big. I don't think

1714
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 2: people like he doesn't look as fast on tape as

1715
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 2: he actually is. And is he James White. No, but

1716
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: he's functional as a pass catcher.

1717
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1718
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 2: Like I just think he has so many great traits

1719
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 2: and we've seen him a bell cow back like he

1720
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 2: he was that Oklahoma State team in twenty twenty three.

1721
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm seeing projections for him anywhere from you know,

1722
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 2: very late day two to I think PFF. Hasn't it

1723
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 2: like one fifty? Yeah, if you can get Ali Gordon

1724
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 2: at like one oh four, that would be an outstanding pick.

1725
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 2: But I think he's gonna have a really good combine

1726
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 2: and maybe blow that up.

1727
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, all these running backs are worth

1728
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: talking about.

1729
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's even get to we didn't even get to

1730
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 2: Scatabow and.

1731
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a great class. Like just to

1732
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:31,640
Speaker 1: read quickly here if I can pull it up. You know,

1733
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: Dan Brugler's top one hundred ad just at running back.

1734
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's got what atching gent y. Caleb

1735
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: Johnson from Iowa was really good.

1736
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 2: He could be.

1737
01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:46,719
Speaker 1: Trayvon Henderson from Ohio State, Jordan James Jenkins from Ohio State,

1738
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: Dylan Samson, R. J. Harvey is his top one hundred.

1739
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 1: I mean it's not every year they have won two, three, four, five, six,

1740
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: seven eight in the top one pop.

1741
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 2: We're gonna tell you that's because a week it's a

1742
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 2: week class. That's not true. This running bad class holds

1743
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 2: up in other years. A lot of people have Henderson

1744
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 2: over Judkins.

1745
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: A lot of people do.

1746
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I think Henderson if you

1747
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 2: want a guy to be, you know, sturdy, reliable, four

1748
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 2: yards four yards four yards, Like, he doesn't lose yards,

1749
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 2: he doesn't go down easy, He's consistent, all that. Like,

1750
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 2: that's Henderson and there's value in that player. If you

1751
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 2: want a guy who's gonna like a home run hitter,

1752
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 2: a guy's gonna break big runs, guys more explosive, a

1753
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 2: little more dynamic, it's Judkins. So if we're ranking like

1754
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 2: the safer of the two, it's Henderson. But like, let's

1755
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 2: say the Patriots are on the board A sixty nine,

1756
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 2: they want to take a running back there between the

1757
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,919
Speaker 2: two Ohio State guys, I'm taking Judkins. You're taking Judkins

1758
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 2: between the two of them.

1759
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I tend to agree with you based off of

1760
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: the playoff too. I thought that he looked like a

1761
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: game changer.

1762
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 2: There's a place for Henderson. Henderson's really good too. But

1763
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to try to copycat league, right, Yeah,

1764
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 2: if you're trying to find the next Saquon Barkley, and

1765
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:59,680
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Gwin, John Judkins is Saquon Barkley, you're

1766
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,599
Speaker 2: trying to find that kind of back. Judkins is much

1767
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 2: closer than Henderson is to me.

1768
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: So running back tight end, Yeah, tight end again another

1769
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: position that's absolutely loaded in this draft. I think there's

1770
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,679
Speaker 1: playmaking tight ends, there's blocking tight ends. There's like guys

1771
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: that can kind of do a little bit of both,

1772
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,799
Speaker 1: like Tyler Warren, and there's also just straight up receiving

1773
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,280
Speaker 1: tight ends, you know, like a Colston Loveland if you

1774
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 1: want to go first round. But then beyond that, I

1775
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of guys that are also in

1776
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: that categories, those two categories, and it's become like is

1777
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: he the Gronk archetype or is he the Kelsey archetype? Right,

1778
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: Like those are like the two groups of tight ends.

1779
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: This class has them all the guy that I'm really ok.

1780
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 2: And then there's the Kittle type.

1781
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yes, you're right, but people don't give Kittle

1782
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: enough love.

1783
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 2: No, but like that more like h back movie. Yeah.

1784
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 1: So the guy that in funny that you mentioned that,

1785
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: the guy that I'm really interested to see. I wasn't wow,

1786
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: like I wanted to be at the Senior Bowl. So

1787
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see Harold Fannin's testing. The fact that

1788
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: I get it was at Bowling Green and I get

1789
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: they probably didn't play this like Murderer's Row of a schedule.

1790
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 2: He did you have a really good game? Who they

1791
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 2: played one Power five team? He was good. I think

1792
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 2: it was a and.

1793
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 1: M but fifteen hundred yards at tight end in college

1794
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 1: football is unheard of, Like, that's absolutely unheard of. I

1795
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a great athlete as well. You know,

1796
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: obviously Elijah Royo is coming off the Great Senior Bowl,

1797
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: but I think that he is kind of like a

1798
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: finesse tight end. Like I think that's gonna be a

1799
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: setting where he's gonna do really well. In Mason Taylor

1800
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: similar you know, just say Jason Taylor. I always get

1801
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor and JA Jason, Jason Taylor's son also more

1802
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: of like a pass catching tight end, but he's really

1803
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: really athletic as well, you know, Gunner Hilm, like this,

1804
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: this is a really good class. It's a really good

1805
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: class at that position, and I think that they'll also impress.

1806
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interested to see nesbit. Like I get, he

1807
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 2: had a rough year and that knocks him down some.

1808
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 2: I'm surprised he's been knocked down as far as he has,

1809
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 2: so I'll be interested to see if he can build

1810
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 2: that back up at all.

1811
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: All Right, So that's the combine. I'm sure we'll have

1812
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: by questions about the combine, but I want to get

1813
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: to your calls and your emails and the emails Barth

1814
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 1: are just I mean, we're inundated with the emails, so

1815
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,679
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1816
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1834
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Speaker 1: There we go, All right, let's get to these phone calls.

1835
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,799
Speaker 1: I know you guys have been waiting. Patty is an aguam.

1836
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 1: What's up, Patty?

1837
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 3: What's going on?

1838
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 1: How are we doing.

1839
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 3: Doing good today? So I had a question for you guys.

1840
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 3: I one of the guys that I'm very much intrigued

1841
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 3: by is the wide receiver for Iowa State. Not Jalen Noel,

1842
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 3: but Jayden Higgins.

1843
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 2: Yep.

1844
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 3: I will love him as a Day two pick, but

1845
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 3: if we're not able to get him, I wanted to

1846
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 3: get your guys opinions on possibly three possibly three Day

1847
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 3: three guys, have you watched them? If you have, what

1848
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 3: do you think about him? The first guy is Damuel Brown,

1849
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 3: the second guy is Kyron Lazy from LSU, and the

1850
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 3: last guy is Elijah Badger from Florida. And I'll take

1851
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 3: it off there, guys, as always, sorry about the joy.

1852
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: It's okay. You got any takes on those guys? Those

1853
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: are deep cuts.

1854
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Kyen Lacey has some that was the LC receiver. Yeah,

1855
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact details, but he has some

1856
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 2: serious legal issues, Like he's not.

1857
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,440
Speaker 1: There's some I mean, I don't know if what with

1858
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 1: Keishan Boudi was serious. But from a player perspective, he

1859
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of like the guy that was

1860
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be the next guy at LSU that wasn't

1861
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: the next guy for whatever reason at LSU. Kind of

1862
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: a similar story.

1863
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was there, there was He's accused of head

1864
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 2: on crash, fatal crash, hit and run, leaving the scene

1865
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 2: of a crime. Yeah that's yeah, So Kyraen Lacey, I

1866
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 2: probably I would be surprised at this point if he

1867
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:47,679
Speaker 2: gets drafted.

1868
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1869
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 2: Who are the other wide receivers?

1870
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: He said, I don't I didn't recognize the other ones.

1871
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, he said.

1872
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 2: I'm trying to pull up the list here because if

1873
01:25:56,160 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 2: I see it, I'll remember it. He said something thing

1874
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:01,920
Speaker 2: he didn't give the school for one of them. I

1875
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: know we set somebody from Florida.

1876
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: This is great radio.

1877
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 2: I don't think it was chim DK, but you saw

1878
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 2: a DK at the Senior Bowl who I liked. He

1879
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 2: was a Day three guy.

1880
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of those drops, but some of those senior

1881
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: Bowl guys. I know your guys.

1882
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 2: Call Elijah Badger. Yeah, we're gonna gover Florida receivers. I

1883
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 2: like DK.

1884
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:24,679
Speaker 1: All right, let's take Sean and Ottawa. What's up Sean?

1885
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 2: Sean?

1886
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: You there? Okay? Sean callback and if if you have

1887
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: the time, he's probably afraid of USA Canada tomorrow. N

1888
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk to us Americans. Uh, let's

1889
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,719
Speaker 1: get to these emails. A lot of emails, tons of emails.

1890
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: So we'll try to get through all these over the

1891
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 1: last half hour here of the show. Starting here. Well,

1892
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: I'll start with this email. All right. This email subject

1893
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,639
Speaker 1: line is from Floyd in Michigan, who's a regular listener.

1894
01:26:56,479 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: Shout out Taylor Kyles says, Taylor Kyles was right. Taylor

1895
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 1: and I have been going back and forth a little

1896
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 1: bit on Twitter. We see this draft very differently. Love Taylor,

1897
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: I love him. We just see it very very differently.

1898
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 1: And and Floyd here says that he agrees with this

1899
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: point that Taylor made, and that was my issue is

1900
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 1: anytime I have seen Will Campbell bock to the Patriots,

1901
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 1: it is not because he's the best player available. It's

1902
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,200
Speaker 1: not because he's the best scheme fit. It's because their

1903
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: offensive line was is so terrible, so it just they

1904
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: need an offensive lineman. He's the best offensive lineman scheme

1905
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 1: fit aside. I don't know exactly what that, but in

1906
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: terms of he's not the best player available, we kind

1907
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: of talked about this earlier in the show. I just

1908
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 1: want us to think about it and think about the gap,

1909
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: like how much is the gap really that exists? And

1910
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 1: if we're talking about players that are all clustered together,

1911
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 1: which is the way that I view it, Will Campbell,

1912
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 1: Mason Graham, I'll even throw Ted McMillan into that category.

1913
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: Potentially warrant I would throw into that category. You put

1914
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: all those guys, you know, Will Johnson into that tier.

1915
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: To me, the tiebreaker then becomes positional value. So you

1916
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 1: might think that Mason Graham is a slightly better prospect

1917
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 1: than Will Campbell, But I would say if you project

1918
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: Will Campbell to be a starting left tackle in the NFL,

1919
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 1: that is more valuable than a starting three technique is

1920
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 1: in the NFL.

1921
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 2: It's essentially all you know.

1922
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 1: It's also I should say a conversation two of Okay, well,

1923
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:36,440
Speaker 1: what's going to be available through other avenues of talent acquisition.

1924
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 1: You can go and sign Milton Williams to play three technique.

1925
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: You can go and draft the kid from Toledo, Darius Alexander,

1926
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 1: to play three technique. On day two. You can go

1927
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: and draft you know, players like that on the second

1928
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: day of the drag on the edge. If you want

1929
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: to go that route. What you can't do is find

1930
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 1: a starting left tackle on Day two. I have not

1931
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 1: been I've watched fifteen tackles at this point between the

1932
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl and like watching the film, I have not

1933
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 1: been convinced that any one of these guys in that

1934
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,400
Speaker 1: Day two tier is going to be a true starting

1935
01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 1: left tackle in the league. I think you're putting him

1936
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 1: right in that same category as a Caiden Wallace like

1937
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 1: has it. Maybe the Patriots can't afford has answer. They

1938
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 1: need an answer. So sure, you could go in free

1939
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 1: agency and sign Cam robinsoner Alaric Jackson and say we

1940
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: have our answer. That direction, that's a pat they want

1941
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 1: to go. They can go in that direction. But if

1942
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: we're strictly talking about the draft, the strength of the

1943
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: draft is the depth on the defensive line. So to me,

1944
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: if you're even ish between Mason Graham and Will Campbell,

1945
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 1: I'm taking the left tackle. It's that simple.

1946
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, all right.

1947
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 1: Mike Green is another prospect that's come up a lot.

1948
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of things I would say about

1949
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,720
Speaker 1: with Mike Green. You know a lot of people. Is

1950
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: Mike Green actually edged two in this class? Obviously I'm

1951
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 1: dull Carter's edge one? Is Mike Green actually edged two

1952
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 1: in this class? The two things I had mentioned with

1953
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 1: Mike Green One, he is really a pass rush specialist,

1954
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,719
Speaker 1: Like you are going to have to make him into

1955
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:13,799
Speaker 1: a pure weak side pass rusher that is not expected

1956
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: to do really anything against the run. He's not a

1957
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,559
Speaker 1: very good run defender in my mind, just because of

1958
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: his physical limitations. Like we talk about lack of arm

1959
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: length and stuff like that with Will Campbell, even though

1960
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 1: I would say that first step, explosiveness and bend are

1961
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: more important than arm length at edge. In order to

1962
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 1: like truly set the edge of a defense right, you

1963
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:35,000
Speaker 1: have to be able to have some girth and some

1964
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 1: with to your body, and then obviously some length to

1965
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: your body as well.

1966
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 2: But that's a lot of the edge rushers in this class.

1967
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 1: Lot of speed guys.

1968
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 2: A lot of guys who are pass rushers and aren't

1969
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:44,879
Speaker 2: going to do great against.

1970
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: So he's one of those guys. To me, if you're

1971
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 1: drafting somebody four overall, you need to make sure that

1972
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 1: player is a three down, all purpose player. I don't

1973
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 1: think you can draft a guy at four overall that's

1974
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: gonna end up turning into just a pass rusher. I

1975
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: don't think that that's good enough with that pick. There's

1976
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 1: also so I don't want to put it out there

1977
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: like an act, like it's too dramatic, but like he

1978
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 1: transferred from Virginia, there's some rumblings that maybe there was

1979
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 1: something that happened in that transfer, you know, in terms

1980
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 1: of him overstaying. He's welcome at Virginia. I don't know

1981
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 1: what the details are enough to have a judgment on that.

1982
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: I hate judging that part of the draft because I

1983
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 1: don't know these guys personally and I don't talk to

1984
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:26,559
Speaker 1: them personally. But there are some things to vet there

1985
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 1: with his background in terms of that. Yeah, But most

1986
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 1: importantly to me, I'm just not dead convinced that Mike

1987
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 1: Green is a well rounded enough player to be taking

1988
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 1: him that high in the first round.

1989
01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, all right, does we can't

1990
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 2: go in the first round. It's not that high.

1991
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is from Aiden. He's asking for two

1992
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: trade candidates. Our opinions on two trade candidates, one being

1993
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: Michael Mayer from the Raiders, which is becoming a really

1994
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 1: popular take. They have Brock Bowers obviously as their number

1995
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: one tight end. Josh McDaniels drafted Michael Mayer, I believe

1996
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: in his year with the Raiders, I.

1997
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 2: Think sounds right mayor was.

1998
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah Sam laporta draft Yeah, so I'm pretty sure that's

1999
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: the case. If not, he played for Josh McDaniel.

2000
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:12,800
Speaker 2: Or was he twenty three mc daniels was.

2001
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: There in Vegas. The other one is Trey Hendrickson at

2002
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 1: the Bengals, who are maybe paying t Higgins, maybe paying

2003
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:25,479
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, obviously already paying Joe Burrow. So someone there

2004
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 1: most likely is gonna have to be the Ottoman out.

2005
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: It could be Trey Hendrickson. I'm in on both of

2006
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 1: these players. Obviously very different price points, like in terms

2007
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 1: of what the compensation would be, but I think Michael

2008
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 1: Mayer would be a nice tight end too. I remember

2009
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: coming out. I actually I think Hunter Henry was my

2010
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 1: comp for Michael Mayor.

2011
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that that was the player. Mayor's

2012
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 2: a good blocker. I I wouldn't be against Michael Mayor.

2013
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 2: I think the idea of four to six from like

2014
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 2: moving down two spots and getting Michael Mayer. I think

2015
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 2: you should get more back in that trade, especially in

2016
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 2: this draft when they were good tight ends. He would

2017
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 2: need something else on top of that, But as a whole,

2018
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind Mayor. Hendrickson obviously should be a target

2019
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:08,720
Speaker 2: if he's available. They need that pass rusher. He's a

2020
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 2: great fit. In Mike Rabel's defense, I think he's a

2021
01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 2: great personality fit for the culture Mike Vrabel wants to bring.

2022
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 2: That being said, I'm not ruling out the Bengals keeping

2023
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 2: all of them.

2024
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2025
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow has been very public about wanting to keep everybody.

2026
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,280
Speaker 2: Talking to people in Cincinnati, it sounds like he's been

2027
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 2: as forceful behind the scenes and putting the pressure on ownership.

2028
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 2: And if people say, oh, you know, they only have

2029
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 2: so much money to spend, well, if Burrow's willing to

2030
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:34,600
Speaker 2: take a pay cut or just move it even just

2031
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 2: move his money around. The cap can be manipulated, as

2032
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 2: we know. I'm not ruling out them keeping all of

2033
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 2: those guys, but if Hendrickson's available, Patriots should be on it.

2034
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 1: Only like a little bit with Hendrickson is he is

2035
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 1: thirty and he you know, he's going to be going

2036
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 1: into his thirty one age thirty one season. I just

2037
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 1: do think that that matters for the Patriots in terms

2038
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:59,200
Speaker 1: of windows and stuff like that. You could get Trey

2039
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: Hendrickson for this year and he would obviously give you

2040
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: a big boost for this year. But like as Trey

2041
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 1: Hendrickson really going to be around for when the Patriots

2042
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: are truly good again, like not just like flashing the pan,

2043
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: good again, like twenty twenty one Patriots, you know, make

2044
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: a playoff run because you know, you get a week

2045
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:18,200
Speaker 1: schedule and I have decent quarterback play again in the defense,

2046
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 1: like I'm talking about contending, Yeah, consistently.

2047
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:23,920
Speaker 2: He might be. I mean some of these edge rushers

2048
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 2: are starting to play like longer now. This is kind

2049
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 2: of a trend that's started to happen. These guys are

2050
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 2: still effective players, they're in their mid thirties. If he's

2051
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 2: here for another three years. Yeah, he could be there

2052
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 2: at the start of their true contention window.

2053
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 1: He reminds me a little bit of Judon just in

2054
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: terms of play style and all that kind of stuff.

2055
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 1: So I'm not anti Trey Henderson. I just I just wondered,

2056
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, at thirty one years old. All right, Next

2057
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: question here from Andrew who says he's a long time listener,

2058
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: second time emailer. You usually hear first time emailer, but

2059
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:56,719
Speaker 1: second time email he is a pretty long winded email.

2060
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 1: But I saw just narrow it down. Basically, he's asking

2061
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,640
Speaker 1: what this coaching staff, the new Patriots coaching staff, like,

2062
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,280
Speaker 1: what position do we feel that they will be best

2063
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:08,599
Speaker 1: at developing on the roster based off of their coaching staff.

2064
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 1: You know, he mentioned Jeff Stallin in Philly with the Eagles,

2065
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 1: their offensive line coach, who is kind of like a

2066
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:18,080
Speaker 1: Dante Scarneki type figure there in Philadelphia and is able

2067
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 1: to develop linemen. I would still say front seven guys

2068
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 1: like I really trust Rabel and Terrell Williams, Like, if

2069
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: they got a toolsy front seven player wherever it is

2070
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 1: in the draft, I really feel strongly that those two

2071
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 1: guys would develop that player into a really good player.

2072
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 1: You know, whether it's Abdul Carter, it's somebody you know

2073
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 1: on Day two of the draft that has some really

2074
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 1: flashy tools. I wouldn't necessarily say I would draft. You know,

2075
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: good example I think is like mikel Williams from Georgia, right,

2076
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:54,560
Speaker 1: who is just a raw toolsy Trayvon Walker ish prospect

2077
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 1: that's just a ball of clay. I wouldn't necessarily do

2078
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft just because of where

2079
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 1: the Patriots are, but just in general, I would feel

2080
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 1: pretty comfortable with drafting traits on the defensive line because

2081
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 1: I'd have pretty good confidence in Rabel and Terrell Williams

2082
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: to develop that.

2083
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's defensive front too, that's where most

2084
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 2: of the experiences, you know, linebackers, line and all of that.

2085
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 2: I'd agree with that.

2086
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 1: Yep. So this email is from Ron and he says congratulations,

2087
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 1: and he says that he is so happy that Alex

2088
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 1: is going to the Combine this year, and so I

2089
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:29,519
Speaker 1: can just now is a good time to say this

2090
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,280
Speaker 1: Because of that, We're gonna do a live show from

2091
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:37,440
Speaker 1: the Combine next week on Radio Row in the Indianapolis

2092
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: Convention Center. So Alex and I it sounds like it

2093
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,599
Speaker 1: will be Wednesday afternoon. I don't think it's public gets.

2094
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 1: I won't get into all the scheduling details, but I

2095
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 1: do think we're gonna hear from Mike Rabel and Elliot

2096
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 1: Wolf next year, next year, next week in Indianapolis. So

2097
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it later on in the afternoon just

2098
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 1: to make sure we've already heard from everybody and we

2099
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,040
Speaker 1: can kind of react to it and all that good stuff.

2100
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 1: But a live radio Row show from the Combine, we've

2101
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:03,680
Speaker 1: made it. There we go. I feel like this is

2102
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 1: like something that we've wanted to do for.

2103
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 2: A very long time time in the making.

2104
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. So the other question that that Ron here

2105
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 1: has just about some of the Day two guys. He

2106
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,760
Speaker 1: mentions Ursery, who he talked a little bit about.

2107
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 2: I don't think he's a Day two guy at this point.

2108
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: And Landon Jackson, who had a nice end of the

2109
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 1: week at the Singer Bowl, a big, you know, defensive

2110
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 1: end outside linebacker type. And eighty five.

2111
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 2: Now there's there's your edge center, there's your run stopper

2112
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 2: on the edge. That's he's kind of the opposite of

2113
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys we've talked about where he's

2114
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 2: not quite there yet as a pass rusher. I think

2115
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:43,679
Speaker 2: he's a three down player, but his pass rush room

2116
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 2: game has room to grow. His run game is what

2117
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:47,880
Speaker 2: makes him so impressive at this point.

2118
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's a little bit too like Anthony

2119
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 1: Jennings in my mind, like you already had that player

2120
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, see that.

2121
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 2: I mean, if they were going to stay in the

2122
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:59,200
Speaker 2: old defense, I would say, is a replacement for Dietrich

2123
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 2: Wise if he's not back. Yeah, you know, you could

2124
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 2: have him put on ten pounds and play him hand down.

2125
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 2: But if they're going to be this, you know, quicker,

2126
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 2: smaller defense than he had, Jennings is in that role.

2127
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: So with er three, I mentioned you know already a

2128
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 1: little bit about Er three. I like Ersrie, I don't

2129
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: love Erstrie. I think the big thing with Ersrie to

2130
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 1: me is just that he's just gonna have those natural

2131
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: physical limitations of a six foot six, three hundred and

2132
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:28,679
Speaker 1: fifty pound person, right, Like, he's just not a nimble mover.

2133
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:32,679
Speaker 1: Uh he's maybe you could put him as nimble mover

2134
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: for his size, but we're not. Then we're putting that

2135
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 1: caveat on for his size, right. So he had some

2136
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 1: of those stiffness in his lowers and just like foot heaviness,

2137
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, not exactly a light footed guy. But at

2138
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, can't teach size, can't teach strength.

2139
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 1: Very good difference maker in the run game. I actually thought,

2140
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, he had some like one or two ugly

2141
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 1: reps against Abdul Carter, But I thought he kind of

2142
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 1: competed in that game against Abdul Carter, which is probably

2143
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 1: his best tape. I would say to feature him as

2144
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:07,679
Speaker 1: an NFL prospect. So I'm not anti Ursery. I just wonder,

2145
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 1: if you know, because of the lack of depth in

2146
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 1: this draft and all that stuff, like, does he end

2147
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:14,720
Speaker 1: up going in like the twenties and now, yeah, we

2148
01:39:14,720 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 1: could talk about trade ups, but it gets complicated.

2149
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:19,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it gets a little tougher.

2150
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:24,240
Speaker 1: All right. Two more guys. This is from Christian from Virginia.

2151
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 1: One of my guys in this draft, Luther Burden, and

2152
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: he asks, how heavily do you weigh his last season

2153
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:37,599
Speaker 1: struggles on Luther Burden And you know, just the twenty

2154
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:40,240
Speaker 1: three tape versus the twenty fourth tape. This is a

2155
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 1: fair question. Obviously, Yes, I would say that Luther Burden

2156
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:48,719
Speaker 1: including Travis Hunter would be wide receiver three. Not including

2157
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter would be wide receiver two. You still have

2158
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: him behind tap right, Yeah, just strictly based off the film.

2159
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 2: Sure.

2160
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,639
Speaker 1: Again, like I said, we're else we were talking about

2161
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 1: the Mike Green. Like I said, with Mike Green, I'm

2162
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: not in the interviews. I'm not a scout, so I don't.

2163
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 1: I hate judging like the mental tough hangs off the field.

2164
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 2: I just want to separate this though, because it's Mike Green.

2165
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 2: It's like it's been and I don't know what happened,

2166
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's been. I think like character concern has

2167
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 2: been brought up with Luther Burden. It's basically just that.

2168
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 2: So when it comes twenty three, twenty four, Brady Cook,

2169
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 2: who I liked, just fell off. I don't know what happened.

2170
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:27,280
Speaker 2: He was hurt for part of the year. But even before,

2171
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 2: like Brady Cook, who was kind of supposed to be

2172
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 2: that like Bridge day two quarterback guy had an atrociousye.

2173
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:35,679
Speaker 2: I mean he was really bad.

2174
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2175
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to pick on the guy, but he

2176
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 2: was not good. Naturally, that's gonna impact the wide receivers

2177
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 2: and in certain games when it was going well for

2178
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 2: Luther Burden. Anybody who watched that BC game saw it.

2179
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 2: He got a little emotional inside of mine. It wasn't

2180
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:52,200
Speaker 2: full on Odell Beckham boxing the field gold net, but

2181
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 2: he was clearly frustrated. And that's where the and you

2182
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 2: saw it in the body language two where he would

2183
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 2: kind of it. He appeared to like check out at

2184
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:02,800
Speaker 2: times in games when it was just clear that they

2185
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,640
Speaker 2: didn't have it. That's the question with Burden. It's not

2186
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:09,480
Speaker 2: an off field thing. It's just will he stay engaged

2187
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:12,120
Speaker 2: if he's not getting the ball and if the team struggling.

2188
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 2: I really like Burden too, just to kind of expand

2189
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:18,240
Speaker 2: on this, So whether you think he's the best receiver

2190
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 2: or not, Like I'm going with the consensus on this one.

2191
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,400
Speaker 2: Teed McMillan's gonna be the first wide receiver off the board.

2192
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 2: He's gonna go somewhere in the top ten. Right. What

2193
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:32,040
Speaker 2: happens next at wide receiver is an unknown and that's

2194
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 2: what's interesting to me. So to me, there's a clear

2195
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 2: cut next level. And with Travis Hunter again is his

2196
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 2: own thing. Yeah, there's a clear cut next level after

2197
01:41:40,200 --> 01:41:45,639
Speaker 2: Tet it's meta Buka it's Matthew Golden, and it's Luther Burden,

2198
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:48,080
Speaker 2: and all three of those guys I think are I

2199
01:41:48,120 --> 01:41:52,520
Speaker 2: have them rated similarly. They're all very different players stylistically,

2200
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:56,679
Speaker 2: especially a BUCA, but they're all similar impact kind of guys.

2201
01:41:58,120 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 2: Who goes next? Where do they go? Because the idea

2202
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,040
Speaker 2: of the Patriots trading back up in the back end

2203
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 2: of the first round, which I think is a possibility

2204
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 2: for a receiver, is attractive, but who is there? I

2205
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:13,600
Speaker 2: don't think all three of those guys make it to

2206
01:42:13,640 --> 01:42:16,320
Speaker 2: the twenties. I think one of them certainly does. Do

2207
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:21,799
Speaker 2: two of them absolutely, we're just talking raw talent. Burden's

2208
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 2: the best of the three. Yeah, But because he's not

2209
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 2: as consistent, because there are those questions about him in

2210
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 2: between plays, does he get down in the twenties. I'm

2211
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:35,960
Speaker 2: not super worried about the moodiness. I'm really not. I

2212
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:36,920
Speaker 2: think that's overblown.

2213
01:42:37,040 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 1: It's also wide receiver for you.

2214
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 2: Right, find a good wide receiver that's okay, not getting

2215
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:44,680
Speaker 2: the football. If Burden gets down into the twenties, if

2216
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:46,559
Speaker 2: they're gonna do the trade backup for a receiver thing,

2217
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:48,760
Speaker 2: let's say they take Campbell or whoever at the top right,

2218
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 2: not Ted. So they take Campbell, they take Carter, they

2219
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 2: take Michael Williams, even if it's Tyler Warren honestly, and

2220
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:56,639
Speaker 2: then they move back up into the twenties. Twenty four

2221
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 2: to me is the sweet spot because the Vikings have

2222
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 2: no picks in this draft. I think they five total. Like,

2223
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 2: if Luther Burn's there at twenty four, I'm sprinting up

2224
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 2: to get him. You can make an argument for a

2225
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 2: Buka and Golden two. I think they all fit, but

2226
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:10,559
Speaker 2: I don't know lu Luther Burn's gonna get in the twenties.

2227
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 2: If he does, I think that's the best option for

2228
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:15,200
Speaker 2: the Patriots in a trade back up.

2229
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:18,240
Speaker 1: So I look at Luther Burden and think it's gonna

2230
01:43:18,240 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 1: go one of two ways.

2231
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 2: Ye.

2232
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 1: He's either gonna fly off the board yep, and he's

2233
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:24,879
Speaker 1: gonna be gone by fifteen, right or something.

2234
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 2: That's probably about his ceiling, like twelve to fifty right.

2235
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 1: Or he's gonna be on the board forever because teams

2236
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 1: have crossed him off.

2237
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,479
Speaker 2: So Adie Mitchell, Sure, yeah.

2238
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 1: Adie Mitchell or something like that, you know, And all

2239
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he were starting day two and now.

2240
01:43:38,160 --> 01:43:40,200
Speaker 2: And then the Chiefs trade up and get him. He's amazing.

2241
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's a world because of that that Luther

2242
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:47,840
Speaker 1: Burden is available closer to where the Patriots are gonna

2243
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 1: pick at thirty eight. But if he is, then you

2244
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:54,479
Speaker 1: have to weigh the question of, well can we manage

2245
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:57,320
Speaker 1: a guy like this? You know everybody else is seeing

2246
01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 1: some sort you know, he's taking a lot in about

2247
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 1: the character flags the reason though, in terms of the

2248
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 1: talent overall, though, like his season two years ago to

2249
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 1: me is good enough to prop him up as a

2250
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,599
Speaker 1: top twenty player in the class in my mind, because

2251
01:44:11,640 --> 01:44:14,280
Speaker 1: it was such an early breakout year for him that

2252
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 1: if you look at the course of his story as

2253
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:20,200
Speaker 1: that of this of the receiver position, usually when you

2254
01:44:20,240 --> 01:44:22,400
Speaker 1: break out as a true sophomore and you put on

2255
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,200
Speaker 1: film that you're like a top first round pick, top talent,

2256
01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 1: and a draft type of player. The next year, the

2257
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 1: junior season is kind of just buying time.

2258
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:31,640
Speaker 2: Well, you know who my comp is for this and

2259
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 2: you hate it? Yeah it's Jordan Addison. Yeah, different players stylistically,

2260
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 2: and Jordan Addison transferred, But this is what happened with

2261
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 2: Jordan Aison. You're buying top bullet Pit. I think did

2262
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:44,639
Speaker 2: he win the Bullet and a Coffee was a finalist? Yeah.

2263
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 2: In his sophomore year, transferred to USC and USC Wow,

2264
01:44:49,200 --> 01:44:52,200
Speaker 2: Lincoln RD, He's gonna even better. Didn't really work out

2265
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:54,360
Speaker 2: there and suddenly people started saying, maybe he's not a

2266
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,200
Speaker 2: first round pick. But it was no. If you go

2267
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 2: watch him at PIT, he is. It was just for

2268
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 2: whatever reason, didn't click. I think I know the reason

2269
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:02,639
Speaker 2: with Luthor burn is because the rest of the offense

2270
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 2: didn't carry their share with the load. But it kind

2271
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 2: of reminds me of Jordan Addison, where you're gonna have

2272
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:10,880
Speaker 2: to choose what do you believe in the two years

2273
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 2: ago tape or the last year tape. I'll believe in

2274
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 2: the two years ago tape. I'm perfectly fine doing that.

2275
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 2: With Luthor Burton.

2276
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of freshman year is pretty good.

2277
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:20,640
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of evidence of that of you know,

2278
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:23,919
Speaker 1: the second year. You know, maybe it's a true freshman

2279
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:27,599
Speaker 1: breakout or a true sophomore breakout. Drake may like Drake,

2280
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 1: you know, his big season was his true sophomore season.

2281
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,320
Speaker 1: Then he took a little bit of a step back

2282
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 1: freshman or yeah, maybe it's retroan freshman and took a

2283
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:38,519
Speaker 1: little bit behind hell for you a little step back.

2284
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 1: It's just young breakout player, three level separator, awesome with

2285
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:47,640
Speaker 1: the football in his hands, explosive with the capital legue. Like,

2286
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:50,080
Speaker 1: there's just a lot to love about the player. Yeah,

2287
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 1: if he checks out mentally, it will be a different thing.

2288
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 1: The other player that he mentioned. We'll get back to

2289
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:57,880
Speaker 1: the phones here before you wrap it is Jack Sawyer.

2290
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 1: How to feel about Jack Sawyer?

2291
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 2: Know how I feel about Jack Sawer.

2292
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 1: I think Jack Sawyer is probably not a natural pass

2293
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:08,800
Speaker 1: rusher in terms of like winning one on one. He's

2294
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:12,440
Speaker 1: probably better like within the scheme, you know, stun simulated

2295
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 1: pressures like getting him free and things like that. Good

2296
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:20,080
Speaker 1: solid enough run defender in terms of just base run defender.

2297
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:22,680
Speaker 1: But as a pass rusher, I don't necessarily think he's

2298
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 1: gonna be like a difference making one on one edge rusher.

2299
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:28,800
Speaker 1: But if you put him in a in stunts and

2300
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: twists and things like that up front, he can be

2301
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 1: effective on those and leader, you know, leader through.

2302
01:46:34,240 --> 01:46:38,479
Speaker 2: The brings the edge, high motor, physical player, tone setter,

2303
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:45,519
Speaker 2: character guy, all of that. He can't lead your pass rush.

2304
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 2: But if you're let me put it to you this way.

2305
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:51,360
Speaker 2: If they're two edge guys next year, or Josh Sweat

2306
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 2: and Jack Sawyer, how do you feel about that?

2307
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 1: Oh? Very good? Yeah, exactly, because I think Jack Sawyer

2308
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:59,160
Speaker 1: is a perfect compliment. He's a perfect Robin, right, like

2309
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 1: if somebody else is drawing all the attention and he's

2310
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 1: just gonna be able to just you know, use picks

2311
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:06,760
Speaker 1: and games and stuff like that and get after the

2312
01:47:06,840 --> 01:47:08,759
Speaker 1: quarterback and like harass people.

2313
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 2: Everybody wants to compare to Mike Vrabel because he's at

2314
01:47:11,439 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 2: Ohio State and Vrabel's here and it's the top of mind.

2315
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:18,280
Speaker 2: Rob Ninkovic, not bad, Rob Nikovic. And you so now

2316
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:20,840
Speaker 2: you and I mean you just have to go find

2317
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:23,559
Speaker 2: your Chandler Jones or your Trey Flowers, like those are

2318
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 2: good players obviously. But again, if you get a guy

2319
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:28,960
Speaker 2: like Josh Sweat, or you trade for guy like Trey

2320
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 2: Hendrickson and then you have Jack Sawyer on the other side,

2321
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 2: here you go, you're off and run.

2322
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2323
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 2: Uh.

2324
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 1: Nicholas Nick asks about Mason Graham, who I've I've been

2325
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:44,600
Speaker 1: on the record about being you know, uh lukewarm. I

2326
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 1: guess I would say is the best way.

2327
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:47,640
Speaker 2: I want to be careful about this because I feel like,

2328
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 2: especially this time of year, we start to go down

2329
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:52,559
Speaker 2: this road not thinking the player is a fit for

2330
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 2: the Patriots and not thinking he's a good player, or

2331
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 2: two different things. Yeah, I think Mason Graham's a very

2332
01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 2: good player, and in an other world, or the Patriots

2333
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 2: win a couple more games this year, maybe we're talking

2334
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 2: about him as a much more realistic option at four

2335
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:09,040
Speaker 2: with the other players we think are going to be

2336
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 2: on the board. He's he's not a bad pick, but

2337
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 2: I don't think he's the best pick they can make.

2338
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 1: So the question here though, I guess PFF gave him

2339
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 1: a really high run defense grade, which I frankly could

2340
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,840
Speaker 1: care less about. But in the run defense grade, I

2341
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:27,400
Speaker 1: guess he was really high. I've said in the past,

2342
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 1: which is true, that I think he's kind of, you know,

2343
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,559
Speaker 1: an average run defender. I think, you know, with PFF,

2344
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 1: they they probably put a lot of weight into run

2345
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:37,160
Speaker 1: stops and stuffs and things like that, which is all

2346
01:48:37,200 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 1: well and fair. When I watch Mason Graham on film,

2347
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:42,720
Speaker 1: I think, in general, like he lacks a little bit

2348
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: of power below his waist, so he's not a great

2349
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 1: in taking on double teams. I don't think he's awful

2350
01:48:47,439 --> 01:48:50,439
Speaker 1: at it, but he's not great at taking on double teams.

2351
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:53,880
Speaker 1: And he also has shorter arms and a shorter upper

2352
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:57,519
Speaker 1: bodies kind of got just overall like a stocky, stout build.

2353
01:48:58,200 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 2: And so when you don't.

2354
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 1: Again like we were talking with edge rushers, like when

2355
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 1: you don't have that length to really extend and and

2356
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 1: separate from blocks in the run game, it becomes more

2357
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:10,720
Speaker 1: difficult to do things like two gaping and stuff like that.

2358
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:13,320
Speaker 1: So if you're expecting him to shoot gaps and slither

2359
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 1: around blocks and slip box and slide inside gaps and

2360
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:19,639
Speaker 1: things like that, Like, if that's the type of defense

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01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:21,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna play, then he's a great player for that.

2362
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,680
Speaker 1: If you're expecting him to be stout and just like

2363
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 1: stand guys up at the point of attack, I just

2364
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 1: don't think that he has that kind of body type.

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01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 2: And I'll include this too, let's not forget. And I

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01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 2: honestly I have to remind myself of this when I

2367
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 2: saw jeremiahs Mok the other day. Yeah, Michigan is another

2368
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 2: defensive tackle that's gonna go in the first round. Yeah,

2369
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:40,559
Speaker 2: I watched him the other day.

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01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:41,799
Speaker 1: Kennth Grant.

2371
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 2: YEA is also a really good player. But Kenneth Grant

2372
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 2: was the run stopper in that group. So when teams

2373
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 2: are running, they're running at Mason Graham because the Kenneth

2374
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:55,200
Speaker 2: Grant's like threered and forty pounds. He's a nose tackle,

2375
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 2: so he's getting most of the attention from offenses in

2376
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:01,400
Speaker 2: the run game. They I wanted to run at Gram.

2377
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 2: I like Kenneth Grant. He's a good player. Does make

2378
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:04,799
Speaker 2: sense for the Patriots. He's a good player.

2379
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:08,599
Speaker 1: Uh. Dave says that he is happy that I've mentioned

2380
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 1: that Ashton Denty is a blue chip player in this

2381
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:13,639
Speaker 1: draft even though he plays running back. And he thinks

2382
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 1: that that's very big of me.

2383
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:18,040
Speaker 2: As as I'm impressed you've you fully and brak. You

2384
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:21,839
Speaker 2: didn't you let me do my whole best player availables

2385
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:23,639
Speaker 2: made up. You didn't belly ache about having to admit

2386
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:25,559
Speaker 2: the running backs and the punters are good. It was good.

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01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 1: Uh. This email the subject line is telling you to

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01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:32,080
Speaker 1: shut up. Yeah, okay, there you go. We get those

2389
01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:33,840
Speaker 1: something about what just that's it?

2390
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:39,600
Speaker 2: That's the whole email? What time? What time was that email? Uh?

2391
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:42,559
Speaker 1: Twelve thirty seven, just be quiet to stop.

2392
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:44,960
Speaker 2: What I was saying about half an hour, and I remember,

2393
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:46,679
Speaker 2: I don't think that was the best avail.

2394
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 1: I think that was later last week. It was you know,

2395
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 1: it would be me shut up next week.

2396
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 2: No, I know, I'm just I'm curious what set that off?

2397
01:50:53,720 --> 01:50:54,639
Speaker 2: Uh yep.

2398
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:57,320
Speaker 1: This emailer says that they love hearing you interrupt me

2399
01:50:58,240 --> 01:50:59,719
Speaker 1: about pronunciations, which.

2400
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 2: I'm off that I can. Oh, maybe that's what it was.

2401
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 1: As we're in like a deep philosophical conversation and I

2402
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 1: say somebody's weird name, and then all of a sudden

2403
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 1: we have to derail from the conversation for you to

2404
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:14,880
Speaker 1: correct me. What was it, Kevin Bayard? Apparently I said,

2405
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:21,160
Speaker 1: really bothered you.

2406
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 2: A lot of emails.

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01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to the best ones here, I know, Okay,

2408
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 1: this one just saying, you know, if Will Campbell, if

2409
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:33,040
Speaker 1: I think that the patrons don't have a left guard

2410
01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:34,560
Speaker 1: on the roster, at least a good you know, a

2411
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:37,439
Speaker 1: good left guard, Like why wouldn't you take Will Campbell? Anyways,

2412
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm not that crazy. Like, positional value still matters a

2413
01:51:40,600 --> 01:51:42,640
Speaker 1: lot to me. I understand that you can make the

2414
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:44,559
Speaker 1: argument that he's going to be like a Zach Martin

2415
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:47,680
Speaker 1: Quentin Nelson level guard. I probably still wouldn't do it

2416
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:49,240
Speaker 1: at that point, you know, I hate guards.

2417
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 2: Not A four. If you can get a Hault to

2418
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:53,360
Speaker 2: trade down and he's still there at like ten eleven, twelve,

2419
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:55,679
Speaker 2: i'd consider it. I'd have to see you else would

2420
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:57,639
Speaker 2: be on board. I'm not taking him as a guard

2421
01:51:57,640 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 2: A four though.

2422
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, a lot of scenarios. I don't know if

2423
01:52:03,720 --> 01:52:05,719
Speaker 1: I can read all these are tough.

2424
01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:07,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's tough radio.

2425
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:08,160
Speaker 1: Yep.

2426
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:09,439
Speaker 2: That's more male bag question.

2427
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:12,320
Speaker 1: So this question is not really draft related, but I

2428
01:52:12,360 --> 01:52:16,360
Speaker 1: do think it is. It's pertinent just about when does

2429
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:19,639
Speaker 1: Drake May start getting with Josh McDaniels to start learning

2430
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:20,760
Speaker 1: the playbook and stuff like that.

2431
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:22,760
Speaker 2: And was Josh McDaniels higher too three weeks ago?

2432
01:52:22,920 --> 01:52:26,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, technically, technically I think it's it's the start of

2433
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:29,880
Speaker 1: the off season program in April is like the technical time.

2434
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:33,400
Speaker 1: But Drake May, I'm sure already has the playbook. He's

2435
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:36,960
Speaker 1: talked about the library, you know, the Tom Brady library

2436
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:39,840
Speaker 1: that Josh McDaniels has that you can go back and

2437
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:42,120
Speaker 1: watch all of that. So I think he's already cooking

2438
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:46,560
Speaker 1: and all those things Henry asks, And I think this

2439
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:49,000
Speaker 1: is an interesting player I'm not sure about for the Patriots.

2440
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:52,160
Speaker 1: But if we're considering Will Campbell, despite you know, his

2441
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:56,200
Speaker 1: measurements and all that, why not memboo armand Membo, who

2442
01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:58,519
Speaker 1: I think is a really good player on film too,

2443
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:01,759
Speaker 1: But maybe that ten to twenty ranges.

2444
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:03,679
Speaker 2: Also, I mean he's only played right tackle.

2445
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:04,080
Speaker 1: Yep.

2446
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 2: I guess if they were to sign whoever one of

2447
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:13,519
Speaker 2: those Cam Robinson or Alaric Jackson, and you know, you're okay,

2448
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:15,639
Speaker 2: now we're gonna draft Membu to play on the right side,

2449
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:18,320
Speaker 2: and we're just gonna, you know, give up on Kane Wallace.

2450
01:53:18,360 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 2: Experiment like that could make sense. I could get into that,

2451
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:23,639
Speaker 2: But I'm not drafting member to play left tackle.

2452
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 1: Yep. I agree with you. No, definitely not to play

2453
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 1: left tackle. No, that's and.

2454
01:53:28,920 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm not drafting a right tackle in the first round

2455
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:32,759
Speaker 2: when left tackles still a need and there's left tackles

2456
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:35,439
Speaker 2: on the board. But if they have left tackle answered,

2457
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, if they move down a little bit, yeah,

2458
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 2: as a right tackle, I could get on board with that.

2459
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, it's another question. From Steven that I always

2460
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:47,200
Speaker 1: find interesting. You know, a lot of people will say

2461
01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,479
Speaker 1: to me, well, it doesn't none of it actually matters

2462
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 1: until we get through free agency, like because we don't know,

2463
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, right is gonna happen in free agency. I

2464
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:58,959
Speaker 1: think there's some truth to that. But I also, for example,

2465
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 1: if you sign Alerc Jackson or Camra Robinson, you are

2466
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 1: saying that that's gonna be our left tackle, right, so

2467
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,000
Speaker 1: you're probably not gonna now take the left tackle in

2468
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:08,639
Speaker 1: the first round.

2469
01:54:09,120 --> 01:54:10,479
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say that.

2470
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:12,640
Speaker 1: It's like it's a big sway for me, Like I

2471
01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:16,080
Speaker 1: still think you're gonna target the best players at premium

2472
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:18,640
Speaker 1: positions in the top of the draft. Maybe if you

2473
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:21,479
Speaker 1: if you sign a tackle and free agency, you don't

2474
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 1: draft Will Campbell. But if you really love Will Campbell,

2475
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 1: like as much as I do, maybe a Jackson plays right.

2476
01:54:28,360 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 1: Maybe Will Campbell plays right. Like we just did this

2477
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 1: with the Chargers.

2478
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:33,000
Speaker 2: How long do you and how long did you sign

2479
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:35,200
Speaker 2: him for? Maybe Will Campbell's your left guard this year

2480
01:54:35,240 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 2: and the next three he goes out to tackle. I

2481
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 2: wouldn't love that, but I could see something like that.

2482
01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:42,720
Speaker 2: It's also like get this stage too This is more

2483
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:44,560
Speaker 2: about just learning who the players are. I know we're

2484
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:46,720
Speaker 2: getting into some scenarios and would you take this guy

2485
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 2: here in this and that, But we're just kind of

2486
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:52,280
Speaker 2: learning who these guys are. And then yes, once for

2487
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:54,600
Speaker 2: agency happens, then you really start to get in the

2488
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:59,080
Speaker 2: nitty gritty of okay, like order of operations, where are

2489
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,800
Speaker 2: you taking different guys? What would this first round pick

2490
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:03,560
Speaker 2: mean for the second round. I know we're doing some

2491
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:05,880
Speaker 2: of that right now because it's just a fun hypothetical,

2492
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:08,280
Speaker 2: but like, take that all with a grain of salt.

2493
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 2: This stage is really just about learning who the options are,

2494
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 2: regardless of how they maybe fit.

2495
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:17,320
Speaker 1: All right, last one and then we'll take these calls

2496
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 1: and then we'll wrap it up. Willie is telling us

2497
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 1: that we should just enjoy and appreciate the rest of

2498
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:25,560
Speaker 1: the draft. I think early on in the show we

2499
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:28,240
Speaker 1: were getting a little hot and bothered by some of

2500
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 1: the takes and the draft. I agree. The draft is

2501
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:34,360
Speaker 1: my favorite time of the year. It is a difficult

2502
01:55:34,440 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 1: time of the year though for me. I'm not gonna

2503
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:39,520
Speaker 1: lie because and I love it. I love all the

2504
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 1: interest in the draft. I love it. I love that

2505
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:43,600
Speaker 1: all you guys show so much interest in the draft,

2506
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:46,360
Speaker 1: and we obviously greatly appreciate the interest in the show,

2507
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:49,440
Speaker 1: but to constantly be told that you were wrong about

2508
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 1: something is always a little bit tough, even for people

2509
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:55,000
Speaker 1: like us that are somewhat used to it. So whenever

2510
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:57,839
Speaker 1: we get into it on Twitter or on here or whatever,

2511
01:55:58,480 --> 01:56:03,200
Speaker 1: I do sometimes get I'm tired of answering for you

2512
01:56:03,240 --> 01:56:03,680
Speaker 1: making my.

2513
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:07,480
Speaker 2: Eye, especially this time of year, because there's so many unknowns. Right,

2514
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:10,160
Speaker 2: Will Campbell's arm length is a variable, like a very

2515
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:13,520
Speaker 2: significant variable in this entire draft that we don't know about.

2516
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:16,640
Speaker 2: The Travis Hunter position thing is a very significant variable

2517
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:18,840
Speaker 2: in this draft that we don't know about. The quarterbacks

2518
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 2: essentially being wild cards. They could go top three, we

2519
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:23,720
Speaker 2: might not see either of them go top twenty, right, Like,

2520
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,200
Speaker 2: we don't know. So it'll clear up a little bit

2521
01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:28,800
Speaker 2: as we go. But it's kind of like my take,

2522
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:30,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard this couple weeks ago,

2523
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:32,040
Speaker 2: my take on the Bruins on the Sports Look, if

2524
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:35,280
Speaker 2: you feel strongly about the Bruins, you're probably wrong. Didn't

2525
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 2: say which way because I don't think it's it's relevant,

2526
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:39,680
Speaker 2: Like there's such a huge I would say the same

2527
01:56:39,760 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 2: thing at this point. If you feel really strongly about

2528
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:46,840
Speaker 2: the way this draft is going to go, you're probably wrong,

2529
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:49,600
Speaker 2: And I don't care what that feeling is. There's so

2530
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:52,760
Speaker 2: many unknowns at this point, So it's because we have

2531
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:55,000
Speaker 2: to make so many assumptions. It is kind of tough.

2532
01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:57,120
Speaker 2: I wrote this in my mock draft I did two

2533
01:56:57,120 --> 01:57:00,000
Speaker 2: weeks ago. This is the toughest mock draft I've ever done. Yeah,

2534
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 2: from a Patriots point of view, and just from the

2535
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:05,160
Speaker 2: from the players on the board. There's so many unknowns

2536
01:57:05,200 --> 01:57:07,040
Speaker 2: with the team in terms of what could happen in

2537
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 2: free agency, what's changing with these new coaches. We have

2538
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:12,280
Speaker 2: unknowns elsewhere in the league, like the t Higgins thing.

2539
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:13,960
Speaker 2: That and we know that now, but we didn't know

2540
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:15,960
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago to the unknowns we have

2541
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:18,240
Speaker 2: with some of these players. With guys like Will Campbell

2542
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:21,760
Speaker 2: and Travis Hunter, there's so many assumptions you have to make.

2543
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:24,800
Speaker 2: So trying to talk about the draft in that sense

2544
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:30,040
Speaker 2: at this point is really hard because you're not necessarily

2545
01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 2: gonna be on the same page as somebody else because

2546
01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:35,000
Speaker 2: you might be operating I'm operating off the assumption that

2547
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:37,560
Speaker 2: Will Campbell's gonna come in at thirty three inches rounder

2548
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:39,640
Speaker 2: with his arms, somebody else might be operating off the

2549
01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:42,360
Speaker 2: assumption that he's gonna come in under Well. We're obviously

2550
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:44,840
Speaker 2: gonna have two very different viewpoints on the draft, as

2551
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:49,040
Speaker 2: we should, but there's no way you can't debate how

2552
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:51,080
Speaker 2: long his arms are there. There's gonna be a measurement

2553
01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:53,600
Speaker 2: and that's what it's gonna be. So don't get it

2554
01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:55,680
Speaker 2: doing wrong. We are very much enjoying it. But this

2555
01:57:55,720 --> 01:57:58,440
Speaker 2: is a really unique draft. It's a tough to talk

2556
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 2: about it. It's a hard draft to comprehend. This is like,

2557
01:58:02,720 --> 01:58:05,360
Speaker 2: I'm so glad our first year, like fully doing this

2558
01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:08,440
Speaker 2: was twenty one, right, Yeah, probably because yeah, twenty I

2559
01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:13,400
Speaker 2: was the pandemic. And anyway, I'm so glad this isn't

2560
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:16,360
Speaker 2: the first draft we're doing because I would be thinking

2561
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:19,040
Speaker 2: back to how I approached the draft then and the

2562
01:58:19,080 --> 01:58:20,680
Speaker 2: things I've learned the last three is I wish I

2563
01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:23,560
Speaker 2: had three more years under my belt to do this draft.

2564
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:27,040
Speaker 2: This is not easy. This is not an easy year.

2565
01:58:27,320 --> 01:58:29,280
Speaker 2: It's gonna get easier once we get some of this

2566
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:31,920
Speaker 2: information at the combine and then free agency. This is

2567
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:34,440
Speaker 2: a really tough year. In terms of and we approach

2568
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 2: it a little differently. We were texting about this the

2569
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:38,120
Speaker 2: other night. Yeah, my big approach. I'll tell you if

2570
01:58:38,120 --> 01:58:39,960
Speaker 2: I think players will be good or not. I'm trying

2571
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:43,200
Speaker 2: to get, you know, what's the draft outlook going to look?

2572
01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 4: Like?

2573
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:45,440
Speaker 2: Where are these guys are gonna go? Whatever they become.

2574
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:48,600
Speaker 2: After that, we'll see you're more into that second part,

2575
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:51,840
Speaker 2: which is projecting the careers. The first part of it

2576
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:54,560
Speaker 2: that like how the draft is gonna go. It's it's

2577
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:55,880
Speaker 2: a really hard year for that.

2578
01:58:56,480 --> 01:59:00,320
Speaker 1: I think it's it's exceptionally hard year in general, because,

2579
01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:04,080
Speaker 1: like I keep on saying all show, there's not a

2580
01:59:04,120 --> 01:59:08,120
Speaker 1: lot separating some of these guys. So it's really a

2581
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:11,080
Speaker 1: what do you value in players? What's your flavor? Like,

2582
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:12,400
Speaker 1: what type of players.

2583
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:12,480
Speaker 2: Do you like?

2584
01:59:13,400 --> 01:59:16,280
Speaker 1: What are do you think their needs are? And like

2585
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:20,120
Speaker 1: where their biggest needs are. So I, personally, you know,

2586
01:59:20,360 --> 01:59:23,280
Speaker 1: think that left tackle is their biggest need. So obviously

2587
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to pound the table for the best left

2588
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:28,080
Speaker 1: tackle in the draft here. Other people might think that

2589
01:59:28,200 --> 01:59:30,680
Speaker 1: pass rush is their biggest need, or receivers their biggest need,

2590
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:32,760
Speaker 1: or other people might think Will Campbell's a guard, so

2591
01:59:32,880 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 1: like you know, there's there's so much variable right now

2592
01:59:35,960 --> 01:59:38,320
Speaker 1: to your point of you know, we don't have enough information.

2593
01:59:38,400 --> 01:59:40,720
Speaker 1: Then on top of that, I just don't think there's

2594
01:59:40,760 --> 01:59:44,200
Speaker 1: a ton separating all the options. So like you can

2595
01:59:44,280 --> 01:59:46,600
Speaker 1: make the case for any of these options. Like it's

2596
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:50,200
Speaker 1: not a Mason Graham's case is not bad, right, Like

2597
01:59:50,240 --> 01:59:54,400
Speaker 1: there's an actual tangible case, whereas in other years, like

2598
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:57,680
Speaker 1: last year, for example, even though if people made the

2599
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:00,960
Speaker 1: case for Marvin Harrison Junior, it was really quarter it

2600
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,160
Speaker 1: was a quarterback, there was always a back, right, So

2601
02:00:03,320 --> 02:00:05,600
Speaker 1: like it's just this year is different. There's a bunch

2602
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:06,560
Speaker 1: of different variables.

2603
02:00:06,600 --> 02:00:09,000
Speaker 2: There's a case for Ted McMillan. There's yeah, I mean

2604
02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:12,480
Speaker 2: there's cases for Carter and Hunter. Whether or not they'll

2605
02:00:12,520 --> 02:00:15,400
Speaker 2: be on the board is even that's not consensus at

2606
02:00:15,400 --> 02:00:17,880
Speaker 2: this point. There's still people talking about Carter Hunter is

2607
02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:20,560
Speaker 2: the pick, and maybe the quarterbacks do push one of

2608
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 2: them down, maybe they end up there, Like we don't

2609
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:23,000
Speaker 2: know that that they're wrong.

2610
02:00:23,160 --> 02:00:26,240
Speaker 1: Okay, we gotta be quick, guys on the on the phones,

2611
02:00:26,240 --> 02:00:27,880
Speaker 1: but I don't want to leave you guys hanging. So

2612
02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:34,280
Speaker 1: Kendall is in North Carolina, it's up Kendall, Hey, good.

2613
02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:37,160
Speaker 5: Hey, if we will design Deris Slayton their free agency

2614
02:00:37,280 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 5: and also Travis Travis Hunter agreed to play receiver and

2615
02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:43,680
Speaker 5: we picked him at four. What is the best way

2616
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:45,560
Speaker 5: to use them as a zoor? Thanks?

2617
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:47,920
Speaker 1: Thanks Kendall. I would use Travis Hunter as a Z.

2618
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:50,720
Speaker 1: I think his best usage is as a Z. I

2619
02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:53,240
Speaker 1: think his frame and like it just a lack of

2620
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:55,240
Speaker 1: kind of play strength and mass that he has to

2621
02:00:55,320 --> 02:00:57,800
Speaker 1: his game. He might struggle a little bit against press

2622
02:00:57,840 --> 02:01:01,040
Speaker 1: corners as a true boundary X. That's not saying he

2623
02:01:01,040 --> 02:01:03,480
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. Like my con for him is DeVante Smith,

2624
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:06,440
Speaker 1: who does play a little bit of X for Philadelphia

2625
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:09,200
Speaker 1: at times, but is predominantly playing off the line with

2626
02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:11,720
Speaker 1: AJ Brown playing the X. So that's how I would

2627
02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:14,000
Speaker 1: look at Travis Hunter. And I think Darius Layton could

2628
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:16,680
Speaker 1: play the X. He's a field stretcher, he's a vertical thread,

2629
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:19,360
Speaker 1: he can go isolation. I think he could do those

2630
02:01:19,400 --> 02:01:22,280
Speaker 1: types of things. Sean and Ottawa, you're gonna wrap us

2631
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:23,360
Speaker 1: up here, Sean, what's up?

2632
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:28,240
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm gonna give you just a quick scenario here.

2633
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:31,840
Speaker 4: So if Campbell's arms measuring at thirty two and seven

2634
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:35,720
Speaker 4: eight love and you anticipate that Hunter and Carter.

2635
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:38,040
Speaker 2: Off the board at four crime.

2636
02:01:38,040 --> 02:01:41,120
Speaker 4: Who would you make your number one pre agent priority?

2637
02:01:41,240 --> 02:01:44,280
Speaker 4: And who would you ideally take it for if you

2638
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:45,480
Speaker 4: were the decision maker?

2639
02:01:45,920 --> 02:01:49,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for the calls. That is the scenario.

2640
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:51,200
Speaker 2: This is you You really want to get people at

2641
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:53,960
Speaker 2: each other's throats. That that's the one, that's the one

2642
02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:56,920
Speaker 2: that is going to be the most divisive. You're You're

2643
02:01:56,960 --> 02:02:00,320
Speaker 2: not gonna find two people with the same answer seven

2644
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:05,440
Speaker 2: as uh thirty and eighths and Hunter and Carter off

2645
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:08,760
Speaker 2: the board. This, this is this is the big one.

2646
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:11,320
Speaker 2: Lights are bright.

2647
02:02:11,560 --> 02:02:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm still taking Campbell.

2648
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:14,800
Speaker 2: I'm still taking Campbell.

2649
02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:18,840
Speaker 1: If you what I can and I get it. It's

2650
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:22,720
Speaker 1: a game of inches, YadA, YadA, YadA. We're talking about

2651
02:02:22,760 --> 02:02:24,640
Speaker 1: an eighth of an inch man, Like if that's the

2652
02:02:24,640 --> 02:02:28,200
Speaker 1: difference between him being a really good you know, I

2653
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:31,720
Speaker 1: hate to use red franchise, but franchise left tackle and not,

2654
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:34,960
Speaker 1: then I think he's gonna have other issues that contribute

2655
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:36,520
Speaker 1: to the not. It's not gonna be an eighth of

2656
02:02:36,520 --> 02:02:37,360
Speaker 1: an inch of an arm line.

2657
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:38,600
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna stick with what I said with the

2658
02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:40,680
Speaker 2: quarterbacks last year when people would call and be like, well,

2659
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:42,880
Speaker 2: you know, quarterbacks bust and blah blah blah, And it's

2660
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:46,320
Speaker 2: a risk. I'm not I'm not striking out, looking getting

2661
02:02:46,320 --> 02:02:48,160
Speaker 2: the bat off my shoulder. And if I strike and

2662
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:50,160
Speaker 2: you know what, even if I strike out, he's still

2663
02:02:50,160 --> 02:02:51,520
Speaker 2: gonna be a damn good guard. And you've got to

2664
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:53,400
Speaker 2: figure out tackle now. And that's unfortunate. And I've also

2665
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:55,760
Speaker 2: said this to you, I think the threshold people are

2666
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:58,320
Speaker 2: expecting from that fourth overall pick in this draft. It

2667
02:02:58,360 --> 02:03:01,200
Speaker 2: goes back to the quality of the draft. Like if

2668
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:04,880
Speaker 2: if he's Nate Solder in dramatically different play styles. Yeah,

2669
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:08,000
Speaker 2: but Nate soldiers here for what ten years? Twelve years?

2670
02:03:08,440 --> 02:03:09,280
Speaker 1: Wasn't that long, was it?

2671
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:11,840
Speaker 2: But he all right, yeah, seven years and he was

2672
02:03:11,880 --> 02:03:14,120
Speaker 2: a solid starting left tackle. He didn't worry about him.

2673
02:03:14,160 --> 02:03:18,040
Speaker 2: He wasn't Joe Thomas. But nobody was really here being like, oh,

2674
02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:20,040
Speaker 2: they got to replace Nate Solder. They got an upgrade

2675
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:21,680
Speaker 2: Nate Solder, and they had a good roster at the time.

2676
02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:23,480
Speaker 2: You could kind of pick and choose like that, Yeah,

2677
02:03:23,600 --> 02:03:25,560
Speaker 2: if Will Campbell's that, if you get eight to ten

2678
02:03:25,640 --> 02:03:28,160
Speaker 2: years of set it and forget it, left tackle play

2679
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:30,960
Speaker 2: maybe he makes a Pro Bowl or two here or there. Yeah,

2680
02:03:31,160 --> 02:03:32,960
Speaker 2: there's somebody else you brought up as a camp in

2681
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:35,080
Speaker 2: Ryan Ramchicks same thing.

2682
02:03:35,240 --> 02:03:37,840
Speaker 1: Like thirty three and like, I think it's thirty three

2683
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:38,280
Speaker 1: and a half.

2684
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:40,120
Speaker 2: I know some people hear that and they're like, that's

2685
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:42,360
Speaker 2: not enough for the fourth overall pick in this draft.

2686
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:45,240
Speaker 2: If that's who they get, I'm sleeping like a baby.

2687
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm so okay with that.

2688
02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good point. Then you have

2689
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:51,640
Speaker 1: to make the end this in this draft, and then.

2690
02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:55,800
Speaker 2: Who who's your top free agent priority? The other question, Josh.

2691
02:03:55,600 --> 02:03:57,560
Speaker 1: Swatson, Yeah, that would be.

2692
02:03:57,440 --> 02:03:59,400
Speaker 2: My joan Javon Hollins like one bee.

2693
02:03:59,480 --> 02:04:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in this draft you have to realize that

2694
02:04:04,920 --> 02:04:07,480
Speaker 1: hitting a double might be what you get in this draft.

2695
02:04:07,560 --> 02:04:09,760
Speaker 1: You might not hit the homer in this one. This

2696
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:11,480
Speaker 1: is not it. I don't know if it's built for that.

2697
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:14,640
Speaker 1: And that could be true for Campbell, Graham, Tent, whoever.

2698
02:04:14,840 --> 02:04:18,360
Speaker 1: But all those guys I compare Tent to Drake London, like,

2699
02:04:18,440 --> 02:04:21,960
Speaker 1: good player, but not Randy Moss, right a player will

2700
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:25,720
Speaker 1: Campbell to Ryan Ramchick, good player, but not Joe Thomas. Right,

2701
02:04:25,960 --> 02:04:29,040
Speaker 1: that's all these guys to me in this draft. All right,

2702
02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:32,440
Speaker 1: we've been over time here. We'll be back next week

2703
02:04:32,840 --> 02:04:36,800
Speaker 1: live from Indianapolis from Radio Row at the Combine. Looking

2704
02:04:36,840 --> 02:04:38,840
Speaker 1: forward to that. Alex and I will both be there

2705
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:41,160
Speaker 1: in person, so be a lot of fun, and we'll

2706
02:04:41,200 --> 02:04:44,240
Speaker 1: take all your calls and emails, will react to Mike

2707
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:47,680
Speaker 1: Rabel and Elliott Wolf and all the goings on in Indianapolis.

2708
02:04:47,680 --> 02:04:50,240
Speaker 1: So until then, signing off for Alex bart Evan Lazar,

2709
02:04:50,640 --> 02:04:53,640
Speaker 1: see you next time in Indianapolis.

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02:04:57,160 --> 02:05:01,000
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