Speaker 1: Dude, thank you, thank you for coming out here.
Speaker 2: Honored to be here, brother, honored to be here.
Speaker 3: It's been so fun to like take the deep dive
Speaker 3: with you before you come.
Speaker 1: You know, when did you first realize you were funny? Oh?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: Did you know that? Or did someone tell you?
Speaker 2: Or I mean, well, I mean guess somebody's people still
Speaker 2: have to tell me now, Like my girlfriend or like
Speaker 2: anybody in the relationship with me is like, dude, you're
Speaker 2: like the top the top twenty touring comedian for like
Speaker 2: the last ten years. I'm like, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: if we want to do it next year. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yes?
Speaker 2: When did I start.
Speaker 1: Knowing I was funny? I mean probably?
Speaker 2: I remember in college I was working in journalism at
Speaker 2: that I was doing the news. I would do like
Speaker 2: the TV news for the school and they would they
Speaker 2: would have to do it on the teleprompter. They'd have
Speaker 2: to type everything. This morning, three people were involved in
Speaker 2: a wreck and he needed to read it exactly, and
Speaker 2: I was like, let me just like I go, just
Speaker 2: put the bullet points on it, and I like riff,
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, you can't guess that's not how
Speaker 2: the news works. And somebody's like, you should if you
Speaker 2: like to do that, you should try comedy. Should I
Speaker 2: stand up comedy?
Speaker 1: Now? Is that the first time you heard that?
Speaker 2: That's the first time ever. I mean I like comedy
Speaker 2: growing up. I like loved Kings of Comedy, of Kat Williams,
Speaker 2: all all those guys, Tim Hawkins, Brian Reagan, but I
Speaker 2: never thought about to do it to Like I liked
Speaker 2: to watch Jay Leno, and I asked my dad when
Speaker 2: he took me to tour colleges. He just, what do
Speaker 2: you want to do? And I go, if I could
Speaker 2: do anything, I go, I want to be Jay Leno.
Speaker 1: What do you say?
Speaker 2: I mean, He's like, well, let's look into let's look
Speaker 2: into pre law. Yeah, they're like I remember I called
Speaker 2: my parents and told him Mike was quitting my job
Speaker 2: to become a comedian. That wasn't that wasn't there proud
Speaker 2: as day that we're not happy about that?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: So many questions, I guess, first, how did you even
Speaker 3: learn about those guys? I mean, you grew up a
Speaker 3: pretty pretty strict household, Arry, right, so how did you
Speaker 3: even learn.
Speaker 1: About Jay Leno?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, yeah, that's the only I guess I didn't
Speaker 2: want to. I don't want to host a late night show.
Speaker 2: But that was the only guy I knew that was
Speaker 2: doing comedy for a job. Sure, I got that well
Speaker 2: cause I heard he would be like in high school,
Speaker 2: Like towards the end of high school, we got a TV.
Speaker 2: It's like we didn't have it. We were homes school.
Speaker 2: We have a TV growing up in eighth grade I
Speaker 2: went to private school, and then probably tenth grade, we
Speaker 2: got a TV.
Speaker 1: In my house.
Speaker 2: So then, I mean I didn't live on a rock.
Speaker 2: I knew about things. But I go that guy does
Speaker 2: that every year about you know Bill Cosby or you
Speaker 2: know Cedric the entertainer. Like, I don't think they do
Speaker 2: it for a job. I've seen their like comedy, I
Speaker 2: don't know what I've seen them their VHS tapes or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's not it can't be a job.
Speaker 1: It's like letting off steam.
Speaker 2: Aside from yeah, he probably has like a nine to
Speaker 2: five and then he goes to the thing yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: or like but I didn't know that was even impossible.
Speaker 2: And then I remember going, I if I could do anything,
Speaker 2: I could be a stand up comedian. And then it
Speaker 2: was kind of comedy. It's weird now that comedy is such.
Speaker 2: It was it's so like mainstream like you see comics
Speaker 2: at like the Inauguration is wild.
Speaker 1: Is wild?
Speaker 2: Comedy was and always still kind of is like a
Speaker 2: like an outside of like these guys don't fit in,
Speaker 2: these guys are critiquing, these guys aren't part of the culture.
Speaker 2: It's always like kind of a like an underground type
Speaker 2: situation like I would. I remember I saw The Kings
Speaker 2: of Comedy. First of all, me my high school best friend,
Speaker 2: snuck into the theater to see Martin Lawrence run till
Speaker 2: that it was like his comedy special in two thousand
Speaker 2: and two. We had to sneak out to see it
Speaker 2: was it was r rated because it language. And then
Speaker 2: my college roommate he snuck The Kings of Comedy in
Speaker 2: two our and we watch that on DVD. And then
Speaker 2: Kat Williams again, somebody like snuck. It was always it
Speaker 2: was always comedy was always kind of like that, yeah,
Speaker 2: or like comedy is not I never knew about anyone
Speaker 2: doing it for a family or like that didn't make
Speaker 2: sense to me. I never heard of that.
Speaker 3: Well, it's weird because you you mentioned in your book
Speaker 3: that like when that people need comedy only when they're
Speaker 3: trying to forget about the problems in their life.
Speaker 1: Basically is what you said. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so if comedy now you're making the argument
Speaker 3: that it's becoming more mainstream, then you're also kind of
Speaker 3: implying that lives are getting worse, right, Yeah, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Again, Say that again, let me think think about that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: say that again.
Speaker 3: So if it once upon a time comedians only existed
Speaker 3: in a world where people needed to hear them to
Speaker 3: forget things, they were kind of niche. But as it
Speaker 3: grows and it's it's at the inauguration, yeah, then that
Speaker 3: would mean that more and more people need to forget
Speaker 3: about the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, well that's not a good sign. I guess
Speaker 2: it's like alcohol, it's like a session proof.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I think like the idea that like comedians,
Speaker 2: you like comedians are famous is is weird? Like that
Speaker 2: there's I mean not even like the eighties nineties you
Speaker 2: go like Larry the Cable Guy, Jeff Fox, where the
Speaker 2: Jay Leno, like the guys there wasn't you would just
Speaker 2: go even in the early two thousands. You would just
Speaker 2: go to the comedy club. You wouldn't look up who
Speaker 2: was there. You would just go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you wouldn't. It wouldn't right.
Speaker 2: You would just go to comedy. Comedy was for everyone,
Speaker 2: so there was no You would just go to the
Speaker 2: comedy club. And this guy was joking about everything, just
Speaker 2: like the Tonight Show is everybody now the Tonight Show is,
Speaker 2: you know, diminished in viewership, and there's like half a
Speaker 2: million Tonight shows and podcasts. So people go, they rock
Speaker 2: with you, they go instead of watching Jimmy fallon, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna come here for an hour. Yeah, and everybody, all
Speaker 2: of us have like a little one five hundredth of it.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: And then people you walk through the airport, most people,
Speaker 2: I would say, don't know who you are with. The
Speaker 2: people that do are like, oh Mike, yeah, they're saying
Speaker 2: with me, yeah, They're like, I can't believe because in
Speaker 2: their algorithm or world, you're the biggest thing. So it's
Speaker 2: weird because it's very strange.
Speaker 3: And we have Samsung TV. Yeah, and so Amber and
Speaker 3: I we're gonna watch a show at night, and when
Speaker 3: you first turn it on, it like advertises itself and
Speaker 3: comes up with whether Samsung TV has its own programming. Sure,
Speaker 3: right now they're running Letterman, like old reruns from eighties
Speaker 3: and nineties, over and over and over, highlights, And so
Speaker 3: I would turn it on. It would come on and
Speaker 3: I would find a shit. But then I would turn
Speaker 3: on and kind of wait a little bit, find a show.
Speaker 4: And now I'm like turning on and just sit there
Speaker 4: and watch Letterman and they see what's going on here
Speaker 4: and just remember Man. I like, it's such a flashback
Speaker 4: to you know, to when I was younger, and that's
Speaker 4: a different kind of comedy. And the guys that he
Speaker 4: has on and they come, like when he has another
Speaker 4: late night guy come on and sit next to him.
Speaker 4: You could tell he said, you know, how, how's your day?
Speaker 1: She was pretty good? You know Mom called this morning.
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, this is a bit. Oh he's
Speaker 1: doing a thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like, have you done any vacations lately, Letterman says,
Speaker 3: and the guest goes, yeah, you know, we went to
Speaker 3: Disney World.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy about Disney.
Speaker 2: Like, oh oh the comics would go into the thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the that era of I think that's why
Speaker 2: that era of like comedy is like people don't rock
Speaker 2: with it anymore because you now a regular person. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like that's a he's doing a thing. He's
Speaker 2: doing a thing, and I probably I bet if you know,
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise or whatever would come on, he's probably same, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but what's been going on? He goes, oh, yeah, they
Speaker 2: go prompt me with three or four things. Now the
Speaker 2: pros if he had one of his best buddies on there,
Speaker 2: they were like, we got it, we can just yeah,
Speaker 2: we got it. But or like Martin Short has been
Speaker 2: on that show probably a thousand times. Yeah, he goes,
Speaker 2: we got it for someone brand new, They're like, you
Speaker 2: got to help us.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It would be like you and you show up
Speaker 1: and I go, John, how would your trip in?
Speaker 3: You go landed in the Austin Airport, Man, I got
Speaker 3: some tacos and and and there would just.
Speaker 1: Be a thing.
Speaker 2: You just sit quietly like I was just doing this bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that era of comedy is like the I mean,
Speaker 2: I bet you probably saw it. No, I bet you
Speaker 2: do see it in country where like the era of
Speaker 2: like and he's one of my favorites of like like
Speaker 2: the Brad Paisley era of like joke, you know, like
Speaker 2: early two thousand that was awesome that and now country
Speaker 2: is more like in its feelings a little bit, a
Speaker 2: little bit more like you know, you got Zach Bryan Morgan,
Speaker 2: guys talking about not their mental health but struggles in.
Speaker 1: A little ego.
Speaker 2: I feel like I know this guy versus the Keith
Speaker 2: Urbans versus, Like that guy's a character. Maybe does that
Speaker 2: make sense?
Speaker 1: That makes sense? It does. I watched today this morning.
Speaker 3: I watched to refresh myself on the transfer portal, the
Speaker 3: Country Music Transfer portal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I should have put you in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah we lost are transferred out. Yeah, that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: that we transferred out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think he's doing well. Yeah, he's transferred. He's transferred
Speaker 2: into Christianity.
Speaker 3: Bro. Well yeah, so speaking up, there's like vividly remember
Speaker 3: one time finding you as as the church planner in the.
Speaker 1: South to shovel. Oh yeah, planting a church.
Speaker 3: You're like planting a church like this town really needs it.
Speaker 3: And then you clearly see that there's a church.
Speaker 1: Right behind you. No, no, you know, pan the camera
Speaker 1: this way and clearly there's a church over here.
Speaker 2: There's like three churches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's never really needs that they're impoverished.
Speaker 3: And clearly there's a million doll neighborhood right right, and
Speaker 3: that is.
Speaker 1: The South Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, well all of my I feel like when
Speaker 2: I everybody sometimes, I mean for me, that's like a joke,
Speaker 2: but not no, it's not. Yes, it's funny, but it's
Speaker 2: like framed in humor, but it's something that I all
Speaker 2: my comedy is that I lay in bed at night
Speaker 2: ago this doesn't make sense and all and all the
Speaker 2: three of those churches probably hate each other too, like
Speaker 2: you're going over to Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where do you stand with that?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: I say in my shows. I mean, my dad's a
Speaker 2: pastor for thirty years. I grew up in a Pentecostal church.
Speaker 2: I say for this country that I have said this
Speaker 2: from the beginning, that the local churches our only hope.
Speaker 2: I said, And I one time I had an idea.
Speaker 2: I go, everybody should just GPS their church, and then
Speaker 2: all the people that live if you GPS the other
Speaker 2: one right in the middle, whichever one you're closest to,
Speaker 2: you're in charge of them. So I go mental health groceries,
Speaker 2: kids rides to school, if there's a single parent house
Speaker 2: helping with the kid. That church is in charge of
Speaker 2: that radius until it gets to the other one and
Speaker 2: then you go to them.
Speaker 1: Mhm.
Speaker 2: And I was like, maybe that would save the world.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of fighting, a lot of with the
Speaker 2: with the churches, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't disagree with you that that's how
Speaker 3: a church should be operating. I always agree with your
Speaker 3: your jokes about it. So where does John Chris go
Speaker 3: to church?
Speaker 1: Now? Do you go to church? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, me and my girlfriend go to Ethos?
Speaker 1: Is your pastor like better better our pastor?
Speaker 2: It's it's one of those churches that he wouldn't No,
Speaker 2: I mean he knows of me. I think. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But is Ethos or shop or a church?
Speaker 2: Yeh, We're gonna play a fun game today.
Speaker 1: Is this a church or a weed shop?
Speaker 2: We are in the parking lot of Higher Path Church
Speaker 2: or a weed shop? I gotta get out for this path,
Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Is a dispensary?
Speaker 2: Come on?
Speaker 1: Puff puff give? Is that the name of their building? Fund?
Speaker 2: Nice?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: It's probably both Ethos. It probably is a dispensary, probably
Speaker 2: in Portland. There's a dispensery called Ethos for sure. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that is funny. I never thought of all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: It is kind of we we rent, they rent, uh
Speaker 2: Marathon Music Works.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. It's a good building.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great building.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we're kind of in there and it's kind of
Speaker 2: a yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess I don't really if the pastor was like, hey, dude,
Speaker 2: let's get up and, you know, have coffee or something,
Speaker 2: and then I heard about someone else in the church
Speaker 2: that was trying to meet up with him and couldn't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to be shown favoritism or something like that.
Speaker 2: You know. I just had to kind of go when
Speaker 2: our Bible study is unbelievable. We go every Monday night.
Speaker 3: And yeah, but because you want to have coffee with him,
Speaker 3: because you want to talk about something, wouldn't be favoritism.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: That's a fair point range or I didn't think about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well he was asking anything from him
Speaker 3: besides what he's actually supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Shepherd, Oh, that is what he's supposed to do. You know.
Speaker 2: That's a good point. Yeah, I guess you see a
Speaker 2: lot of yeah, I think we like it. But he
Speaker 2: has like my our pastor has like a flip phone,
Speaker 2: doesn't have a doesn't have the internet, doesn't have a
Speaker 2: you know, he's not cutting up his sermons and putting
Speaker 2: captions on him for TikTok, and that it really wasn't
Speaker 2: supposed to be a joke. But yeah, I think that
Speaker 2: that like when I was when I was starting. I
Speaker 2: started comedy when I was twenty five. I'm forty now,
Speaker 2: so I think.
Speaker 1: I was kind of it.
Speaker 2: You know, I just come from you know, my dad
Speaker 2: being a past a lot of the joke because I
Speaker 2: think the where the where the Christian I guess comedy
Speaker 2: started is my dad was a preacher. So I would see, yeah,
Speaker 2: him kind of bring home some of this, like hey,
Speaker 2: we are like kind of behind on this mortgage. We
Speaker 2: need to do like a sermon series on money, you know,
Speaker 2: like I would, I would kind of see and then
Speaker 2: I would see behind, and then I go, well, or
Speaker 2: like there's a better example, or like the worship pastor
Speaker 2: was a buddy of ours, and he would tell me
Speaker 2: and the worship pastor son about how he like mutes
Speaker 2: one of the mics for one of the singer women
Speaker 2: because she's not good. But they like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but they like kind of kind of very yeah, they
Speaker 2: kind of like are very involved in the church and
Speaker 2: maybe give and volunteer. So he goes, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: so me younger. Me goes, right, these we really want
Speaker 2: to encourage people to sing and use their gifts for
Speaker 2: the Lord. But I go, well, you we heard, so
Speaker 2: I think that was kind of where it all and
Speaker 2: a lot of when I was starting twenty five youth group,
Speaker 2: lots of those kind of jokes. And I'm forty now,
Speaker 2: I think the maybe a lot of my like thoughts
Speaker 2: about like those huge megachurches and the money and the
Speaker 2: private jets I've kind of I don't know, maybe I
Speaker 2: just think it's maybe like a little silly, like I
Speaker 2: don't feel the need to like we gotta uncover them
Speaker 2: like I used to. I think I'm just are you
Speaker 2: used to, yeah, Or that those jokes would would come
Speaker 2: out of a place of anger oh wow yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: And when I would miss on comedy, people would be like, dude,
Speaker 2: this is like if this wasn't so true, this would
Speaker 2: be funny. Like it was a little too like a
Speaker 2: knife because I was very angry.
Speaker 3: How in the world do you find the balance when
Speaker 3: you're writing, Yeah, this is too true to be funny,
Speaker 3: Like usually things are funny.
Speaker 1: Are actually true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and but you have to wrap it enough in
Speaker 2: humor to let it carry or like people's not gonna
Speaker 2: share it, like if you are very angry about One
Speaker 2: of my first jokes that I remember when viral was
Speaker 2: a sketch called Christian Girl Instagram, So two thousand and
Speaker 2: what eleven or twelve, people would post photos of their
Speaker 2: Bible and be like love it, like not helping anyone
Speaker 2: understand scripture, or just be like there's a Bible highlighter,
Speaker 2: a girl with a purity ring, two beth More books
Speaker 2: in the back, a sunrise fresh cut like fruit and oatmeal.
Speaker 2: And I was like, this photo took an hour. You
Speaker 2: didn't read the Bible, And I go, Now, if you're
Speaker 2: posting the Bible and saying I read Joshua six and
Speaker 2: I really learned it, that's great. But I posted that
Speaker 2: and it was it was funny enough. I was like,
Speaker 2: put all, move all the US weeklies and the you know,
Speaker 2: the Gatoray because you're drunk. Last I moved those out
Speaker 2: of the photo and just put and everybody was like, dude,
Speaker 2: this is and that went huge. But I was angry
Speaker 2: at that. I was angry at That's what was led
Speaker 2: to that expression of it. I think when I met
Speaker 2: I never missed because I'm like too zany or too
Speaker 2: like quirky. I always miss because it's too it's too angry,
Speaker 2: or like I'm too I'm so frustrated. But I can't
Speaker 2: like all the darkness that I watched the news, social media,
Speaker 2: the airport, the traveler, and it's I try to get
Speaker 2: it to come out as a rainbow, and sometimes it
Speaker 2: it's stuck in there.
Speaker 1: It's got to be a thing. Right with other.
Speaker 2: Comics, yeah, that everybody. Every comic is very very sensitive
Speaker 2: to the world too, injustice to you know, so you
Speaker 2: can my girlfriend can just let stuff go. I go, no,
Speaker 2: we gotta, we gotta go talk to him. I can't,
Speaker 2: Like I wanted to go confront a guy in the
Speaker 2: street because he had a loud muffler where else sitting
Speaker 2: out there. She's like, no, just let it.
Speaker 1: I go.
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk to him. She's like, no, dude,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get killed. You're not gonna talk to him
Speaker 2: because I can't drives me crazy. It drives me like,
Speaker 2: that's what's funny. Yes, that is also what's funny.
Speaker 3: Michael likestance in your in your your latest special, you
Speaker 3: you start talking about the fourth or drive because of
Speaker 3: the neighborhood apps, and you're like the people getting on
Speaker 3: the neighborhood apps talking about the dogs.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I start.
Speaker 1: Laughing because that's that's our day, that's this area, and
Speaker 1: and it's my dogs. A lock up my dogs. They
Speaker 1: get scared of the fourth of July.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But if you if you you get something in
Speaker 2: your head and you go, I think other people think
Speaker 2: this and the ones to go viral. Is that hit y'all?
Speaker 2: And you go, yep, this is us. We know this
Speaker 2: scenario or where whatever side you're on the protect the
Speaker 2: dogs or to make fun of there. Then it goes.
Speaker 2: But sometimes you go everybody else, y'all right, and everybody goes, no,
Speaker 2: we don't know what y'all don't think. No, we're y'all
Speaker 2: are fine with that. They're like, yeah, so how do
Speaker 2: you test that? I mean, you can't with a sketch video,
Speaker 2: you can't. You just I'm trying to think of something
Speaker 2: that is bombed for me recently.
Speaker 3: So you do a sketch video. If it does well,
Speaker 3: then you could actually put it in. No sketching that
Speaker 3: cauld stand up are totally differently. It's live stand up
Speaker 3: comedy Monday Tuesday night. We got to open Mike Night.
Speaker 3: Try everything.
Speaker 2: That's to try, try everything because tomorrow I'm in I'm
Speaker 2: in Branson, Casey and Saint Louis this weekend. And those
Speaker 2: are if you pay two hundred bucks and got a
Speaker 2: hotel night and put on a collared shirt. I can't
Speaker 2: be trying jokes that are new. I'll try them on
Speaker 2: Monday Tuesday. If they work, you can kind of massage
Speaker 2: them enough to maybe include them.
Speaker 1: And that's always been a thing, like like like Seinfeld.
Speaker 2: That yeah, now that's fun though. That's if you like
Speaker 2: some guys I got. I'm working on my fifth hour
Speaker 2: of material. Probably I've been doing it for fifteen years.
Speaker 1: If you just.
Speaker 2: Go out on the weekend with nothing new, it's boring.
Speaker 1: I want to try.
Speaker 2: Like my buddy last night said, he's like, I have
Speaker 2: a guy in my work that I don't like, and
Speaker 2: he's like, we're going over to their house for like
Speaker 2: a barbecue or somebody's going to meet their kids. He goes,
Speaker 2: I hate their kids. He doesn't even know them. But
Speaker 2: he's like, I don't like the guy. So I got,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna like the kid. Yeah, and then he goes,
Speaker 2: I'm surprised because I got I like this kid, and
Speaker 2: he's like, I already hated him. It's a funny idea.
Speaker 2: All it is currently is just and I just he
Speaker 2: was telling us that at dinner and I just wrote
Speaker 2: it down. I just wrote it down.
Speaker 1: What appened to you?
Speaker 2: No? Yeah, so I don't know what ages you have? Oh,
Speaker 2: I mean on my desk top of my computer, I
Speaker 2: have green, yellow, and red. So green is like stuff
Speaker 2: that works. I'm doing now currently probably ten pages yellow
Speaker 2: stuff that I've tried didn't really work. Might try to
Speaker 2: get it back in, Might try to get it from
Speaker 2: a new angle. Twenty five and red a thousand, a thousand,
Speaker 2: and I never have deleted anything, just the thousands ago.
Speaker 2: That's funny. And then people go no, And that's what's
Speaker 2: great about comedy is people are like, how this guy
Speaker 2: could say all this? We don't if we need you,
Speaker 2: we need the crowd to take it. We can't do
Speaker 2: by ourselves. We can't do anything. Yeah, So if the
Speaker 2: crowd doesn't be like.
Speaker 1: Like, how come this comedian gets to say all this?
Speaker 2: I we can't say no, we're just a reflection of
Speaker 2: what everybody's thinking and what we try to be. And
Speaker 2: if sometimes you go, you know, different areas of the country,
Speaker 2: different different jokes, different things are funny different as a believer,
Speaker 2: like comedy, you have to cross the line for it
Speaker 2: to be funny. Otherwise it's not funny because you're sitting
Speaker 2: at dinner. Sitting at dinner, he goes, all right, is
Speaker 2: it just me? Or was that waitress? You said the
Speaker 2: thing that everybody was thinking? Right, So it's across the
Speaker 2: line of social norms. That's what makes it laughter. Right
Speaker 2: as you go, did anyone else notice it? Or flies down?
Speaker 2: Or whatever you said it? It's not supposed to be
Speaker 2: said now as a believer, and this line's always moving depending.
Speaker 1: On what you like.
Speaker 2: You say different things with your wives. Probably here, not
Speaker 2: because it's inappropriate, but just because or if there's kids,
Speaker 2: that's a better example. There's kids here, don't so this
Speaker 2: line is here, and there's a believer, there's a line
Speaker 2: out here that you don't want to cry. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to be disrespectful to someone. I don't want to
Speaker 2: make someone cry or like makes it hurt someone's feelings.
Speaker 2: So these lines are tough every night, and on the internet.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you post something hilarious live and everyoney's like, this
Speaker 2: is hilarious because they opted in to come to your show.
Speaker 2: They consented. Now it's on the algorithm and this person's like,
Speaker 2: I hate this guy. I was like, oh, shoot, I forgot.
Speaker 2: When we were here, we're all kind of joking about this,
Speaker 2: and now in the context of the show, and now
Speaker 2: it got to some people that don't love it.
Speaker 1: You go through those comments, I guess you kind of
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 2: Write ah yeah, yeah, Well mostly I just see the
Speaker 2: if it's going in the right direction, like the views
Speaker 2: if they if they don't like it, they just don't
Speaker 2: like it. Yeah, now I'll make sure. I'll just look
Speaker 2: at the comments the first hour to make sure nothing
Speaker 2: is going wild. But that I mean, you look for
Speaker 2: the negative. You scroll the y of course. Yeah, lots
Speaker 2: of people.
Speaker 3: Say positive, positive, love you love you, This is so funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're an idiot, look at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that is like, uh, that's probably
Speaker 2: a larger conversation. But I think if I remember, I
Speaker 2: wrote him in my book about how when I was
Speaker 2: getting the first time I got like huge in like
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, I would see all these people were lined
Speaker 2: up like the green room. One time was overlooking the
Speaker 2: parking lot and there was like the doors weren't opening.
Speaker 2: It's a line like around the and I just I go,
Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta close these windows.
Speaker 1: I can't look at that.
Speaker 2: I don't that. And these people were so happy and
Speaker 2: get where they had their tickets and you know, like
Speaker 2: waiting in line for like a this is the thing
Speaker 2: we've been waiting for.
Speaker 1: It's the best.
Speaker 2: And I go, I don't feel that way about myself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: obviously I can't look at this. So when somebody does say,
Speaker 2: I remember I was in rehab in twenty nineteen, and
Speaker 2: I remember, and I was drinking a bunch, and I remember.
Speaker 1: I didn't have a phone.
Speaker 2: We were like out in Wickenberg, Arizona, middle of nowhere,
Speaker 2: like it Dow. It's just like mental health, like restored.
Speaker 2: There was therapist there. You were like hiking, doing yoga,
Speaker 2: all these things, right, and they would be like John,
Speaker 2: we just want to let you know you're a good man.
Speaker 2: You're worthwhile and you're a valuable human being, and you
Speaker 2: made some mistakes, but we're proud of you for And
Speaker 2: then I I was so uncomfortable with that. I would
Speaker 2: go after I would go on Twitter and look for
Speaker 2: bad stuff about myself. Wow in that while Wow, because
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't. I got that cannot be true.
Speaker 2: That cannot be true, because look at all these people
Speaker 2: like and you were like, hey, you're a good man,
Speaker 2: and and you were proud of you and I just
Speaker 2: hearing that and you go and I wasn't my I
Speaker 2: remember confessing that to them and they were like, yeah, people,
Speaker 2: it's pretty common.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's theological.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like, yeah, it sounds like a Bible
Speaker 2: verse or like a parable or something like that. Do
Speaker 2: you go these things that people and nobody knew who
Speaker 2: I was there and all the all the there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of twenty five other guys there and they're like,
Speaker 2: what's up where you're from?
Speaker 1: And I was like.
Speaker 2: They all thought I was cool. They didn't know I
Speaker 2: was popular, they didn't yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I
Speaker 2: remember everybody going, we love you, dude, and I go, well,
Speaker 2: this can't be and I would go on the internet
Speaker 2: and find because I because I think what that does,
Speaker 2: looking for those negative comments, you go this, this, this,
Speaker 2: I am familiar with this. Yeah, this is at least
Speaker 2: comfortable to me.
Speaker 1: Man I strangely, that's crazy interesting.
Speaker 3: I remember so many times when we would be like
Speaker 3: at a playing affair or festival outdoors and the line
Speaker 3: would come out past the buses. Yeah, and so we
Speaker 3: would sit in the bus. They can't see through the
Speaker 3: we would be sitting watching them in line, and they're
Speaker 3: like standing there and they got their you know, their
Speaker 3: drink and their tickets, and they're talking and they got
Speaker 3: the shirts on hats, and I would just I couldn't
Speaker 3: help but feel like I'm gonna let these people down.
Speaker 3: There's like I'm fooling him right now. They're in line,
Speaker 3: they bought a ticket, they're going to a show, and
Speaker 3: they've been deceived because I'm not what they think I am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 3: Such a great idea of who we are. I don't
Speaker 3: know if anyone doesn't feel that, because we're not created
Speaker 3: to be worshiped in that way.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's a public figure. I don't think anyone.
Speaker 2: Everyone everyone I know and you've probably the same. We've
Speaker 2: had the opportunity to meet the people we look up to,
Speaker 2: and then we go, dude. When I was and everybody's like, yeah, right, no.
Speaker 1: One goes.
Speaker 2: Whenever someone comes to me or you and goes you whatever.
Speaker 2: When I was going through a divorce, we used to
Speaker 2: watch your stuff and it would encourage us. Or I
Speaker 2: remember somebody sent us a letter. It was like seven
Speaker 2: pages and I told my assistant, she goes here and
Speaker 2: I go, I can't, I can't read it. Yeah, she
Speaker 2: goes why I go. Either way, I don't know what
Speaker 2: it is. But either way, if it's you saved my life,
Speaker 2: that's uncomfortable. It was like, I hate you. That's uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: I guess what's odd is that we were I'm still
Speaker 2: out on the road looking for that or I don't
Speaker 2: know what I'm looking for exactly because I got that's
Speaker 2: not y'all are. I feel the same way about when
Speaker 2: youwhere in the bus and everybody's like, that means people,
Speaker 2: But then so what exactly are where do we You
Speaker 2: want everybody to love you or something maybe to confirm
Speaker 2: that you but there's never Yeah, there's never enough. So
Speaker 2: you go, oh, we sold out the fair and then
Speaker 2: you go, will soon so sold down on the pre sale, right,
Speaker 2: and you go, okay, notch down that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we brought in another bleacher system.
Speaker 2: Yeah for that. Hey look at this sold out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're like, no, I think that's always always. I told
Speaker 2: my therapist, I go, when I'm at my worst, like
Speaker 2: I wake up in the morning and like, let's say
Speaker 2: this whole wall is like a blank, I would go,
Speaker 2: oh videos going viral. Plus one reached out for a
Speaker 2: guy to be on my podcast, didn't respond. Minus one
Speaker 2: girlfriend didn't think whatever was fine. Minus one. Uh, parents
Speaker 2: thought your thing is the best plus one and you're
Speaker 2: all day plus minus plus minus plus minus plus minus
Speaker 2: all day reset every day. Does it rese reset every day? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and there's never it never.
Speaker 1: Ever cares, no rollover minute.
Speaker 2: I wish there was. Yeah, Well the well the plus
Speaker 2: is they don't care. It's not a it's not a
Speaker 2: one to one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like people liking your videos, you could have a
Speaker 2: million people would be like we this guy. One person
Speaker 2: is like screw this guy, and you're like, well that's
Speaker 2: a million. Yeah, that's a million negatives. So yeah, when
Speaker 2: I met my I feel like everybody would would think that,
Speaker 2: oh we still when we pull people back to everybody
Speaker 2: wants to come backstage, right, can we give it backstage
Speaker 2: pass this week? And especially when you do like an
Speaker 2: arena show. And I was talking to I think the
Speaker 2: guys in the in the travel with us, I go,
Speaker 2: you know what's wild about this? Is there? There there's
Speaker 2: nothing back here?
Speaker 1: Is there? You? There's nothing? There's nothing back there?
Speaker 2: And I go, what I think, what's the best part
Speaker 2: about this is being in an arena ten thousand people
Speaker 2: and I go walk up to the front and you
Speaker 2: have a lanyard and that security guard is going to go,
Speaker 2: y'all too, that that's the benefit. Yeah, there's nothing back here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you want to be Hey, all these other regular
Speaker 2: people y'all two?
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that's it? Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: There's no I want to be backstage.
Speaker 3: I want to come back cinder bathrooms and and you
Speaker 3: know me, you're my cousin.
Speaker 2: We see each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah a lot. That Yeah, that that really bothered me.
Speaker 1: We can have lunch next week you like, wherever you want,
Speaker 1: like privately, we could you want. But but.
Speaker 2: If we're doing that on a macro level by touring,
Speaker 2: and then you just want to be I mean in
Speaker 2: everybody's relationship. I'm sure at everybody's job, employee of the month,
Speaker 2: you just want to be.
Speaker 1: And that's.
Speaker 2: That's we're not running into a parable again, that's the
Speaker 2: same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, standing in a meet and greet line and see
Speaker 1: family in the line. Yeah, what do you guys? Do
Speaker 1: you see you after when you go to breakfast? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 3: And you're taking up you know, you don't mean to
Speaker 3: sound like that if you're taking up time for other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody, what's the road? We're all on the same
Speaker 2: road kind of, you know.
Speaker 1: And then if you.
Speaker 2: Get, if you get, why is it so? Why is
Speaker 2: it why he makes you so angry when you get
Speaker 2: cut off in traffic because it's like, hey, everybody, that
Speaker 2: guy said we're all going you second. Yeah, I'm first,
Speaker 2: your second, and.
Speaker 1: That you don't. You're not going to be late to work.
Speaker 2: He goes, I'm priority in front of you. You are secondary,
Speaker 2: and he goes, this confirms I think this confirms all
Speaker 2: the other stuff I already think about myself.
Speaker 3: We should do like they're doing Asia, where they just
Speaker 3: just all like a zipper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they do it everywhere. It's not just
Speaker 2: the asia of it like they do in Asia. But
Speaker 2: why is that such a it's such a like if
Speaker 2: you were like, I'm trying to think one of the
Speaker 2: most If you were like, if I just got the
Speaker 2: Tonight show and the President was like, let's meet up
Speaker 2: for lunch and you are awarded times greatest Person of
Speaker 2: the Year, you wouldn't probably being cut off probably wouldn't
Speaker 2: bother you. You're like, yeah, my identity or whatever is secure.
Speaker 2: I know this doesn't.
Speaker 1: But if you're so, where's the line?
Speaker 2: Yeah, where is that for you?
Speaker 1: You thought about it?
Speaker 3: You got time Person of the Years, that's a line.
Speaker 3: Oh that's too far. You get to have lunch with
Speaker 3: the president. He wants to tell you how funny you are.
Speaker 2: And aware if I do, I think that's what you
Speaker 2: and watching your journey is I think you go. I
Speaker 2: could be wrong. I let's speak for you. But you go, oh,
Speaker 2: there's nowhere to get Yeah, you're right, there's nowhere. If
Speaker 2: you go we did this tour, well, like, well, I'm
Speaker 2: we're say I'm going to Saint Louis on Saturday. Well,
Speaker 2: we sold it out with like a month in advance, well,
Speaker 2: next time, we might do two shows there. And if
Speaker 2: we do that maybe yeah, uh, if we did three,
Speaker 2: then we could get to the arena. And you go,
Speaker 2: that's what you're saying, right, And then and then and
Speaker 2: then well where Well? I think one of the ending
Speaker 2: chapters in my book is is, uh, you go, what
Speaker 2: if I started comedy when I was twenty five? Like,
Speaker 2: I want to be on the Tonight Show? Right, I
Speaker 2: want to be on Tonight Show. That would be my dream.
Speaker 2: So submit an audition. You work for five years, get
Speaker 2: up five good ben at submit an audition.
Speaker 1: Tip.
Speaker 2: They don't like it. You try to do your way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you try to. You work the road, try to perfect it,
Speaker 2: try to craft it, try to if I get that.
Speaker 1: If if I got it, then.
Speaker 2: I would be If I got and I got this,
Speaker 2: that thing.
Speaker 1: Would be.
Speaker 2: You find you're sixty five and you finally crafted it
Speaker 2: and you went in there and you did it, and
Speaker 2: you're and then you walked out and you're in a
Speaker 2: sidewalk in Burbank, waiting for the waiting for the uber,
Speaker 2: and you go, shoot, that wasn't it. That's what I
Speaker 2: think we're saying, right man, You go, oh, this wasn't
Speaker 2: because everybody goes, if you're not a believer, you're not
Speaker 2: a Christian, you're hoping in a better tomorrow. Right, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get promoted, I'm going to get a new car,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get a I'm gonna the president. The next
Speaker 2: president is going to be the one that solves it
Speaker 2: for me one day. One day.
Speaker 3: There's a little book called Ecclesiastes that you know heard
Speaker 3: of it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It meaning yeah, yeah, yeah, you go.
Speaker 2: What, well what I think That's what a lot of
Speaker 2: celebrities have verbalized. And I think what you have said,
Speaker 2: and they go, well, I think it was Jim Carrey
Speaker 2: or some of that. I wish everybody could be rich
Speaker 2: and famous for like a day so they could realize
Speaker 2: it's not there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Whatever, whatever we're looking for out here, it's not here.
Speaker 2: It's not If I'll tell you this, if it was here,
Speaker 2: me and you would have found it. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: we would have been telling people. You'd have a course. You're like,
Speaker 2: this is how you and what you're saying is I
Speaker 2: think in my maybe my rehab journeys maybe helped me
Speaker 2: in that direction a little bit. He goes, hey, you're
Speaker 2: saying it's not here or it's not there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not. In two hundred and.
Speaker 2: Fifty days on the road and a tour bus away
Speaker 2: from your family, you're saying it's it was, it's not there.
Speaker 3: I remember having we had a party for a number
Speaker 3: one song in the world and it was on music Row,
Speaker 3: you know, and all that. You know, all the hoos
Speaker 3: who come and we're all chatting and it feels awesome.
Speaker 3: I remember I went home that night and the thought was, well,
Speaker 3: what's the next single? Yeah, and then the label starts calling,
Speaker 3: and then that then it goes to to build on this,
Speaker 3: and then people say yeah, so and so you know
Speaker 3: Mike in Boston it's not really he's not really into
Speaker 3: this this new single, and it's like.
Speaker 2: What the radio?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. It all ended like the number one party
Speaker 1: and all that. It it didn't fix anything. It didn't
Speaker 1: get us anywhere. Yeah, I mean, of course you build
Speaker 1: a little bit, but help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it didn't.
Speaker 3: What would be enough of a second one? No, fifth one?
Speaker 3: Would ten number one consecutive weeks?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me how?
Speaker 1: Tell me? Would be twenty? Yeah? You know, I know
Speaker 1: it wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's that's by the way.
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, George Strait has fifty would it would
Speaker 1: we need a hundred?
Speaker 2: So you're second to him? Or if you got sixty
Speaker 2: fifty one? How far above him? Like if you if
Speaker 2: God was like, I mean, God has to be looking
Speaker 2: down at me to be like bro, and no, you
Speaker 2: know he doesn't think that about us, but he goes, dude,
Speaker 2: if you're not I got you got the lottery pick
Speaker 2: of success or money or or or people know who
Speaker 2: you are, you would go into the gas station. People
Speaker 2: are like, what's up like that? But I don't know
Speaker 2: anybody that's like I chasing down that road. But that
Speaker 2: could also be in business. It doesn't have to be fame.
Speaker 2: Anybody like, dude, how much well? I always joke that.
Speaker 2: I always joke that we used to live in Marina
Speaker 2: del Rey and there's a big bunch of yachts out there,
Speaker 2: and you got the biggest yacht until the next guy
Speaker 2: pulls up and then you're like, oh yeah, now you're yeah.
Speaker 2: But when everybody has a normal you got the biggest one.
Speaker 2: You're the I'm the guy. And then a guy pulls
Speaker 2: up that overshadows you. He's got a helicopter pat and
Speaker 2: you're like I gotta yeah, and if we could, if
Speaker 2: if we could, Hey, Carsel, if you if I could
Speaker 2: do the same art, but from a place of this
Speaker 2: is how I feel about life and society and culture,
Speaker 2: and other people can relate to this and it helps
Speaker 2: them and differentiate myself from the Well how many likes
Speaker 2: did it get? Yeah, that's but but but you also,
Speaker 2: you can't be this without this. I could.
Speaker 3: So there were a few musicians I've met out of
Speaker 3: you know, so many, there's maybe one or two guys
Speaker 3: that I think and they could have been lying to me.
Speaker 3: And it could be the same in comedy. But there's
Speaker 3: one or one or two guys that had just completely compartmentalized.
Speaker 1: This is my job, that's not my life.
Speaker 3: I do it, and and it'll I'll get to this
Speaker 3: level and then I'll start coming down and I have
Speaker 3: no problem with coming down, and then I'll get back
Speaker 3: to the club level. I'll go back down to one bus,
Speaker 3: maybe even go back into a van one day and
Speaker 3: get into like the dive bars. But that's okay, that's
Speaker 3: just my job, and I know.
Speaker 2: That that that's the arc.
Speaker 3: I but that's not me. I cannot live in the
Speaker 3: arc like that.
Speaker 1: I can't do that. But I can't do it.
Speaker 3: I was always attached to it too much. I was
Speaker 3: in the Hampston Wheel.
Speaker 2: And if and if somebody you know a lot of
Speaker 2: all of my buddies are like, you know their their
Speaker 2: kids are in travel sports or what you go, well,
Speaker 2: what if your kid gets the Elite eleven or I
Speaker 2: don't know what you know. They're always it's not just
Speaker 2: us Because I try to get away from just two
Speaker 2: celebrities talking about how our lives are tough. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't know if anyone wants to hear that. But
Speaker 2: everybody relates to this. Everybody relates to this in a
Speaker 2: way that well, what if you got employee the month?
Speaker 2: What if you got a double rays? In essence, what yeah,
Speaker 2: what would do it? And I what would do it?
Speaker 1: Same question? Yeah to everybody?
Speaker 2: What if your kid got what if your kid was
Speaker 2: the Michael Jordan with that, And I think that the
Speaker 2: earlier in life, well, I should say the early in
Speaker 2: life you figure that out, then you're free. But then
Speaker 2: there's we we. I would imagine you're not to worry anymore.
Speaker 2: You moved out here, but you still like ask somebody
Speaker 2: how the pods doing yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you go all right. I want to be I want
Speaker 2: to try to dis it's myself from this, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: how's the.
Speaker 1: It's everybody.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't here right now, And you know, I
Speaker 3: always say, man, I don't care about downloads. I just
Speaker 3: want to have conversations with people I like, you know,
Speaker 3: And if I had conversations with people I like, the
Speaker 3: more I do that, then naturally it should grow.
Speaker 1: But then I'm like, what was the numbers last week? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And if the numbers are good, then what or if
Speaker 2: the numbers are bad, then what you can't I don't
Speaker 2: think you can. Maybe as like a believer you said,
Speaker 2: we say we're supposed to be totally disconnected from that.
Speaker 2: We don't care at all, but to be to be
Speaker 2: it's it's okay. I feel like I could be wrong,
Speaker 2: but it's okay to want to know if you're doing
Speaker 2: good at work, at your it's okay if you gotta yeah,
Speaker 2: you gotta yeah. I would imagine if I came into
Speaker 2: my therapist and I say, yeah, my my buddy who's
Speaker 2: a comedian friend of mine, got a my bock Mercedes,
Speaker 2: and I go, that makes me feel some kind of way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: The message of Christ and I could be wrong, but
Speaker 2: you're like, he would be like, I understand that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think if you know, if we were homesteaders and
Speaker 3: we were chomping wood, yeah, for the winner, we would
Speaker 3: look at our woodpiles and go and he's got a
Speaker 3: little more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I bet his wife thinks he's more of
Speaker 2: a man than me. Yeah, it's the same thing. Yet
Speaker 2: every so in Essa's we're telling our story from our perspective,
Speaker 2: but every person listening is good. Yeah, so what and
Speaker 2: you go, Hey, our kid got turned down from the
Speaker 2: premiere twelve year old soccer, But what if they got it?
Speaker 1: Then? Yeah, that does feel pretty good. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what if you Yeah, that does feel pretty good.
Speaker 2: Or they call to do the thing, or they we
Speaker 2: want you to come, Yeah, that does feel pretty good.
Speaker 2: Is whatever worldly validation, but if you attach yourself too
Speaker 2: close to it, you're gonna die.
Speaker 1: Think about this a lot, don't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all day every day, I mean, on this topic.
Speaker 2: But I think very heavily.
Speaker 3: And I think I think probably guys that weren't didn't
Speaker 3: come from a Christian worldview.
Speaker 1: At least like you did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least they don't have a way to reconcile
Speaker 3: it at all, which is why you just spin off
Speaker 3: into addictions and yeah, mindless hobbies.
Speaker 1: You're saying.
Speaker 2: If without without and as a believer, you probably spin
Speaker 2: off into them. And you go, I know this isn't
Speaker 2: the way, sure, but they might go this sure yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you go, yeah, yeah, I grew up. I think that's
Speaker 2: everybody our age. You go, I grew up with the
Speaker 2: with the knowledge, with the you know, with the you know,
Speaker 2: the fruits of the spirit, that these are the good
Speaker 2: qualities that Christ, even if you're not a believer, that
Speaker 2: this guy put others in front of himself, that served
Speaker 2: his friends. That you go, man, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: other things. You know. You watch TV and you got
Speaker 2: someone with trying to sell you a prayer cloth that's
Speaker 2: going to heal you. You go, well, I don't think
Speaker 2: that is it, but yeah, I think everybody. I could
Speaker 2: be wrong, but everybody, I think what would get to
Speaker 2: a place you were like, I think that guy. I
Speaker 2: think that guy that might be the way.
Speaker 3: As a reminder, you could always get a hold of
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Speaker 3: you heard about yeg Fest. It's happening this year May
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Speaker 3: my family will all be there. We've got a track
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Speaker 3: like we did last year, but the new edition this
Speaker 3: year is a concert by me and my band and
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Speaker 3: not me getting back into music. This is one time
Speaker 3: every year we hope to do a concert for my
Speaker 3: friends and family, especially Maverick who's never seen me play
Speaker 3: live before. So come out have a meal with me
Speaker 3: and my family on Friday night. I'm gonna give a
Speaker 3: little devotional from the Bible, maybe play an acoustic song
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Speaker 1: You have a denomination that you think you align with.
Speaker 2: Our we're non denominational, but our I asked our pastor
Speaker 2: the other days. I make a lot of jokes about denomination,
Speaker 2: I know. He said, he said, we're we are Church
Speaker 2: of Church of Christ. We we split from that and
Speaker 2: become denominational, which all that stuff is kind of silly
Speaker 2: to me, but.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, non denominational is always a cover up
Speaker 3: for something. Is as soon as you ask them how
Speaker 3: they baptize or what they think about the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll get to it.
Speaker 1: You'll get to it.
Speaker 2: This is not a denomination. It's just a group of
Speaker 2: us that have separated ourselves from the other ones.
Speaker 1: It was like a nomination.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, We love everybody, we love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: That I think that.
Speaker 2: You got a joke about the Church of Christ and
Speaker 2: oh yeah yeah yeah about to know church is the
Speaker 2: Church of Christ, the Church of God.
Speaker 1: You're both of them.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, a Church of the Christ. About
Speaker 2: what's it like to as a woman, what's it like
Speaker 2: to be this close to the stage.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was a joke because they are not allowed.
Speaker 2: The women aren't allowed on stage in the Church Christ.
Speaker 2: And my my joke really is you know, because I
Speaker 2: said this, somebody said I used to be Catholic. I go, no,
Speaker 2: I'm at Christian.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: The joke is not I'm deciding who's a believer. The
Speaker 2: joke is, well, some of us don't think that you're
Speaker 2: you qualify. That's the joke is more like Tim Hawkins
Speaker 2: had had a bit early on in his career. It's
Speaker 2: like some people all the different worship hand signals you
Speaker 2: probably want, is this one's, this one's, this one's, this one's,
Speaker 2: this one's once the winshi a wiper like and he
Speaker 2: goes and people would go, really, you're gonna mock, You're
Speaker 2: gonna mock the way someone worships Christ. And he kind
Speaker 2: of explained it, like, no, I'm what I'm saying is,
Speaker 2: if you really think about the joke, it's worship however
Speaker 2: you want, express your love however you want. These are
Speaker 2: just the differences. It's actually the opposite of what people
Speaker 2: are being offended about. Sure, oh, you're making fun of
Speaker 2: the way, or like, no, we're actually making fun of
Speaker 2: the way. Everyone thinks. Oh if I just do it
Speaker 2: like this, the you know, the carry the baby my
Speaker 2: fish was as big, or I don't remember the joke,
Speaker 2: but yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Like if if.
Speaker 2: If I am, Like a lot of people at the
Speaker 2: beginning were like, is this guy a Christian when I
Speaker 2: was first coming out, because nobody who I was, because
Speaker 2: the jokes were like calling out a lot of things
Speaker 2: in the faith. Because if I am a believer, those
Speaker 2: jokes are hilarious. They're like, this guy gets us. This guy, no,
Speaker 2: I can't believe he's saying these things. This is our guy.
Speaker 2: If I'm not, these jokes are wildly offensive because you're
Speaker 2: pointing a finger at something that's so close to everyone's heart,
Speaker 2: their faith and want to look at y'all, and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to hold the mirror up to us. Yea to
Speaker 2: be like like if somebody's making fun of NASCAR or whatever.
Speaker 2: I make a lot of jokes about NASCAR, but I
Speaker 2: go to six races a year, and everybody in racing like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: he's I have my own racing team. Like this guy
Speaker 2: is yeah he almost he can say this. It's like
Speaker 2: somebody making fun of your mom. You or your brothers
Speaker 2: can do it. Yeah, but if somebody else does it,
Speaker 2: you want to fight him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I think you approach it in a in a very
Speaker 3: practical way that I actually think is healthy. I think
Speaker 3: Christians should and could think through the way we're doing
Speaker 3: things in a practical way. We can think practically, we don't.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be all all emotional. I think
Speaker 3: we can go, huh, would we we be planning a
Speaker 3: church on this on this corner?
Speaker 1: Like yeah?
Speaker 2: And if like well, at at the beginning, like in
Speaker 2: the Roman, that that's what the court jester was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so everybody goes, look at this kingdom. It's unbelievable. And
Speaker 2: the court jester, they they gave him like ten minutes.
Speaker 2: He goes, what about those people are living in squalor?
Speaker 2: But you couldn't say it. Nobody was allowed to say
Speaker 2: it in the presence of the king, because he would
Speaker 2: kill you. So you go, well, the court jester could
Speaker 2: come up there, and I'll say, there's there's a court
Speaker 2: jester of of country, those mean paiges. There's a court
Speaker 2: jester of Christianity. There's a court gester in politics, there's
Speaker 2: that role, like there's I used to do a bunch
Speaker 2: of Christian conferences and I was like, everybody loved the comedian.
Speaker 2: I'll go, yeah, but if it was all comedy all weekend,
Speaker 2: it doesn't help. It's like the one body, many parts.
Speaker 2: If it was all turn or burn, that doesn't help.
Speaker 2: If it was all just encourage you all grace, that
Speaker 2: doesn't help. I think all these almost like a like
Speaker 2: a city council or something. Hey, should we put the
Speaker 2: azaleas in the roundabout? That would look beautiful. I would
Speaker 2: love it. It's gonna cost us money. And then we
Speaker 2: like with many what's that of proverbs? Many advisors things succeed.
Speaker 1: I get it wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think there there inevitably have been people
Speaker 3: that have seen stuff from you on social media and thought, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's probably right.
Speaker 2: The Christian girl Instagram think it did stop, Yeah, it
Speaker 2: did and that's a very small example, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we've been on our podcast for the last we don't
Speaker 2: talk about it anymore because I think we we didn't
Speaker 2: we didn't personally end it, but we started talking about tipping.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is insane about it's somebody gives
Speaker 2: you a coffee and it's thirty percent.
Speaker 1: I go, do you do you all realize I've yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everybody yeah, of course yeh, or like it's
Speaker 2: not even like somebody you're at the airport and you
Speaker 2: just get you get it and the guy and there's
Speaker 2: like that. And we were like we were in on
Speaker 2: our podcast, we were like kind of waving the red flag,
Speaker 2: like this is thirty percent, and and it it is.
Speaker 2: It has dialed back, not because of me, but there's
Speaker 2: a lot of comedians, but everyone made fun of it
Speaker 2: so much kind of in a way that we're like
Speaker 2: people were businesses like, yeah, we got to start paying
Speaker 2: our employees or we can't put this on tipping everywhere
Speaker 2: and it's less now yeah because not saying me, but
Speaker 2: but because people.
Speaker 1: Were like, hey, this is absurd.
Speaker 2: And then kind of a little bit of shame or
Speaker 2: a little bit of maybe not shame, maybe accountability to
Speaker 2: these like, oh, we don't have to now. Everybody would
Speaker 2: watch my podcast and they'd be like, we tip zero
Speaker 2: percent and we we are. We are comfortable with it
Speaker 2: now because here in you.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, in the same way I think the
Speaker 3: stuff you do with churches. Yeah, I think it's valuable
Speaker 3: in that way actually.
Speaker 2: If it's done right. Because but I I'll be the
Speaker 2: first guy to say I miss sometimes.
Speaker 1: That's an example of one you missed.
Speaker 2: I remember, I I remember. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I still stand by it or not. But somebody
Speaker 2: was advertising this like workout line of apparel where there
Speaker 2: was like it was like women in yoga pants and
Speaker 2: like sports bras and had like a cross here there's
Speaker 2: like a cross on the butt, and like and I go,
Speaker 2: all right, like I just made a I made a
Speaker 2: sketch about it, and I go, I don't think anybody's
Speaker 2: in heaven, Like how did you get here? I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I was checking out that girl's butt and I saw
Speaker 2: a cross and I was like, hey what and then
Speaker 2: she led me in the Sinner's prayer anyway, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: just thought it was a little it was very suggestive,
Speaker 2: like the clothing was very suggested.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting to hear how you missed this.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I right, well, all right, maybe I
Speaker 2: missed because I felt bad because the guy, the guy,
Speaker 2: the CEO, was like, I'm out of business, and I
Speaker 2: felt bad because he said his wife. I mean maybe not,
Speaker 2: but he I remember he said his wife like had
Speaker 2: like some debilitating like disease and like she couldn't work,
Speaker 2: and this is how it was supporting the family. Maybe
Speaker 2: I just felt if Joe Rogan goes on his podcast
Speaker 2: and says, hey, the tractor supply is a money lot,
Speaker 2: that it will affect their business. He's so big, it
Speaker 2: will it might put them out of business and then
Speaker 2: it would lose employees. But it.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's honorable that you're saying that way.
Speaker 1: But you still didn't miss it.
Speaker 2: Yeah I should have.
Speaker 1: You're just saying told.
Speaker 2: Me I was right off because of the right by you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe because I felt.
Speaker 1: You guys making yoga pants with crosses on the butt.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, dude, with like nail cross it was like
Speaker 2: two nails, and like I was like, this is two
Speaker 2: but sometimes yeah, we'll make somebody will send us a
Speaker 2: clip for our podcast we review clips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I go, man, this is kinna oh man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like, what's I think you have a
Speaker 2: big platform here with your podcast. You go, man, this
Speaker 2: is gonna oh man, do we really want to do this?
Speaker 1: Maybe?
Speaker 2: Do you really want to put this guy? You know
Speaker 2: our podcast is huge? Do you want to Yeah? I
Speaker 2: guess you gotta look.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But everybody, I think the the meme pages, I think
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of anonymity to them, that it's
Speaker 2: not a person, and they go hard and like the onion.
Speaker 2: It's not like I go, it's kind of unfair. I
Speaker 2: have tour dates, you know, where I'm gonna be. Somebody
Speaker 2: could come fight me, and they have, Like John Chris said, this, y'all,
Speaker 2: don't you don't know who were Who's the onion? This
Speaker 2: is wildly offensive?
Speaker 1: But like, well, who is it?
Speaker 2: It's like uh uh South Park or the family Guy.
Speaker 2: You're like, it's not it's stuff that, but who is it?
Speaker 2: And so you go. But I think some of those,
Speaker 2: some of those, especially in Christianity, I think some of
Speaker 2: those mean pages go too far and this is not this,
Speaker 2: this doesn't seem to be this doesn't if I make
Speaker 2: fun of NASCAR or country music. At the end of
Speaker 2: the day, I love it. I love and and the
Speaker 2: Body of Christ too. I love them. I don't There's
Speaker 2: a lot of people that have come through comedy or
Speaker 2: even music that you try to use the Christian platform
Speaker 2: to get. Once I get big enough, I'm going.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I never different conversation. But I love the local church
Speaker 2: and I've I love going to tell jokes to them
Speaker 2: and to the because I and I think I think
Speaker 2: people know that I do.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: Do you feel the pressure of I'm sure you do,
Speaker 3: of being a being that doesn't have to follow the
Speaker 3: constraints of your faith at all.
Speaker 1: Let me let me say this before we enter. Let
Speaker 1: me say this.
Speaker 3: I've heard somewhere that there that were like short words
Speaker 3: that end with a hard consonant like K or T
Speaker 3: are funny and they're funnier, and comedians use that as
Speaker 3: a tool in the tool belt. And you don't get.
Speaker 1: To do that. So you're you're what do you mean,
Speaker 1: You don't get to say the hard words with the.
Speaker 2: K O word yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And so you're you have one less tool to use.
Speaker 2: I don't look at it like that. You don't look
Speaker 2: at it in terms of uh.
Speaker 3: No, I think I don't hear your show, by the way,
Speaker 3: and think you need anything else.
Speaker 1: I hear it.
Speaker 2: I think a guy, I think, I think that is
Speaker 2: the well, if you go to open mic night, that's
Speaker 2: what that would be the easiest way to swear, or
Speaker 2: certainly to tell a joke that you're like, I can't
Speaker 2: believe he's saying that. It's the easiest way to start,
Speaker 2: just to you know, and I think it takes I
Speaker 2: would take and I know the other guys that are
Speaker 2: doing it well, that are clean napargad see Leeann Morgan
Speaker 2: is killing it, Derek Streue is killing like. We take
Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of pride in that, and not to
Speaker 2: look down on anybody. I was just raised in a
Speaker 2: house where we didn't swear. I remember going to the
Speaker 2: comedy club the first night and I heard a guy
Speaker 2: swearing and publicly, and I was like, is he is
Speaker 2: he in trouble for that? That's just how it was raised.
Speaker 2: So I'm not I don't want to be like a well,
Speaker 2: I'm better than our.
Speaker 1: Comedy, But I think.
Speaker 2: If you want to communicate that that point of anger
Speaker 2: or frustration or at least sincerity without I mean, I've
Speaker 2: never heard my parents because but if my mom ever,
Speaker 2: I would be like me, it meant so much more,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. She never did, but if
Speaker 2: I would. I think I heard her say crap one
Speaker 2: time and I was like, we are dead.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just a scale.
Speaker 2: So if you if you use those words flippantly at
Speaker 2: all times, that you'd be like, well they don't they
Speaker 2: mean less? Yeah, And I think that language is as
Speaker 2: a whole, that's what those words are for.
Speaker 3: There was a there was a time and self help
Speaker 3: where it was like a thing where Tony Robbins and
Speaker 3: those guys were saying, oh, you don't yeah.
Speaker 1: You don't have their attention.
Speaker 2: They don't know that you're saying, I remember that, like
Speaker 2: the Gary v era. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people say we love your
Speaker 2: we love your comedy, and we love listen and we'd
Speaker 2: love that I can put it on in the car
Speaker 2: and with with the kids, and not that we don't
Speaker 2: do it for that, but you go, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel the same.
Speaker 3: You think you'll do this a long time? Considering everything
Speaker 3: we've talked, about.
Speaker 2: You slaved me a contract work on the farm.
Speaker 1: Well, I went to a few a few areas where
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: When when I first did when I first did into
Speaker 2: that July twenty third, June twenty third, two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: I first did open mic night and I bombed. It
Speaker 2: was two minutes as the first time I ever did it,
Speaker 2: did it formally bombed, And I was driving home. I
Speaker 2: was in a silver I was driving down Peachtree Street
Speaker 2: in Atlanta, Silver, I think a two thousand and one
Speaker 2: silver Honda Cord two doors, and I go, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do this the rest of my life, and I bombed.
Speaker 2: It wasn't nobody gave me a standing ovation. Nobody even cheered.
Speaker 2: But it was such a I mean, it just sounds bad,
Speaker 2: but I can only compare it to it sounds like
Speaker 2: somebody who did Heroin to take out this changes. I'm changed.
Speaker 1: I am changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I think.
Speaker 1: You can't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think when I was in rehab, it
Speaker 2: was it was two I was nine months and I
Speaker 2: didn't post anything online and I'd never and I was
Speaker 2: I thought that was going to be my death and
Speaker 2: it wasn't. In fact, it was like, oh, maybe me strong,
Speaker 2: so I go, oh, I don't need this to survive.
Speaker 2: I thought prior to that, I have to have this.
Speaker 2: I was chasing it, running if I.
Speaker 1: Don't and I don't need this. Now I missed, dude.
Speaker 2: I remember sitting in rehab and they would let us
Speaker 2: watch maybe TV, like on them on Maybe. I guess
Speaker 2: it was the National Championship. It was the National Championship
Speaker 2: because it was in January and Lauren Daegel will singing
Speaker 2: the national anthem and then Trump was there.
Speaker 1: And I remember just wanting to.
Speaker 2: Be present to that and I was like, I'm on
Speaker 2: the sideline. I didn't have a phone. I go, I
Speaker 2: want to If I would have made, I would have
Speaker 2: made everybody was I know everybody's thinking because that was
Speaker 2: it that Lauren was very controversial, and then Trump it's
Speaker 2: not like he was now. It's in two thousand nineteen
Speaker 2: or whatever, and there were so many like nuances of
Speaker 2: like our community. I was like, man, I want to
Speaker 2: speak about this, and I and I there was At
Speaker 2: the time, it wasn't. That wasn't what God's plan for
Speaker 2: me was at the moment. But now, whether it's live
Speaker 2: touring or you know, you could write a book, you
Speaker 2: could do a pod. There's ways to like I think you.
Speaker 2: I think you felt the same. I couldn't. I shouldn't
Speaker 2: speak for you, but you're like, well, I still want to.
Speaker 2: I have valuable things to contribute, and there's other believers.
Speaker 2: I can't just let's say you had enough. I can't
Speaker 2: just move out here and be.
Speaker 1: Done. Yeah.
Speaker 2: If I can do it, if I can do it
Speaker 2: in a healthy way and still prioritize my family and
Speaker 2: my faith, I would still like to contribute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to.
Speaker 3: Encourage it has the energy has to go somewhere, the
Speaker 3: h yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the god given passion has
Speaker 3: to be directed, has to be aware.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I my brother, I've I've obviously
Speaker 2: struggled to do this healthily, whether it's addiction or just
Speaker 2: validation or attention that I have lost my way, sometimes
Speaker 2: with tremendous consequences, some less.
Speaker 1: And my brother.
Speaker 2: I remember I was talking to my brother, It's probably
Speaker 2: about a year ago, and I go, maybe maybe should
Speaker 2: just hang it up. Maybe I should. He lives like
Speaker 2: he lives out in middle of nowhere Georgia, and he
Speaker 2: builds homes, and I go, maybe I was trying to
Speaker 2: kind of find my way here and try to do it,
Speaker 2: and also being in a relationship and one thing to
Speaker 2: have a family, and I go, I'm struggling to be
Speaker 2: able to do this, and I go, maybe I should
Speaker 2: just move out to where it can work for you
Speaker 2: and like build homes. He goes, Dude, you would be
Speaker 2: so pissed, you'd be so resentful, and he goes, Honestly,
Speaker 2: you would go to home depot and try to chat
Speaker 2: up the cashier to try to get you would still
Speaker 2: be doing it. Yeah, that doesn't solve it, is what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, goes, So I think whether it's whether it's
Speaker 2: touring one hundred tour days a year forever, probably not.
Speaker 2: But the idea of contribute maybe. I mean some guys
Speaker 2: used to do it and write a cartoon. They write
Speaker 2: a Sunday cartoon that was there. I would, I would,
Speaker 2: I would feel now. Jerry Seinfeld said somebody asked him
Speaker 2: why I never wrote a book, and he said, because
Speaker 2: I can't hear the laughs, which it is like, he goes,
Speaker 2: I couldn't you feel that, don't you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because I yeah, heavily, because I for the last I
Speaker 2: remember it must have been that summer where I took
Speaker 2: three months off of Instagram, four months and I could
Speaker 2: still make Like with my therapist were I was like
Speaker 2: over kind of over leveraged in the social media and
Speaker 2: he goes, well, you can still make the videos and
Speaker 2: then just get your guy to post them. I go, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I don't you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I don't see. That's like I don't see if it's
Speaker 2: good or if Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: I remember when we when COVID hit and we started
Speaker 3: doing these virtual shows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like people could tip you, yeah, And it was
Speaker 5: like such a great idea on paper. Do we still
Speaker 5: play concerts? People could like buy tickets and watch us.
Speaker 1: And after one I was like, I don't do this anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah you didn't.
Speaker 2: The horrible a transaction was the unhealthy part.
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah, No, I know. We need Yeah, we
Speaker 1: needed the people. We needed, We needed feedback.
Speaker 2: I wonder how the guy, the guy that writes the
Speaker 2: Sunday cartoon knows, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would get him. Let's get him on all right.
Speaker 2: So like let's say like let's say like Dilbert, Okay,
Speaker 2: So he would be like, all right, what's another one
Speaker 2: Garfield family circus?
Speaker 1: Hey, how many.
Speaker 2: How many publications are we in? And did we how
Speaker 2: many is Garfield in? And how many is what's the
Speaker 2: guy renting the giraffe with the kids.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: So he goes, well, how many are they in? I'm
Speaker 2: sure even that's just that's before social media. So you go, oh,
Speaker 2: I bet everybody's on this. Yeah, and he goes, we have.
Speaker 1: To get absolutely there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't. You kind of I guess. I think
Speaker 2: I guess we're saying.
Speaker 1: You can't.
Speaker 2: Like if if you struggle. I've struggled with my own
Speaker 2: you know, journey and lust and everything like that, it's like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm just going to be a monk and
Speaker 2: live in the woods. You're like, WHOA. That unfortunately doesn't
Speaker 2: solve it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. There was hundreds of years they tried that,
Speaker 1: they tried, they tried.
Speaker 2: So I think as Christian, you go, well, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: well that you still have your thoughts and you still
Speaker 2: so I think all these things that were saying very
Speaker 2: human feelings, I would imagine everbody's gonna listen, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be like yeah, yeah, And and the goal is maybe
Speaker 2: not to the takeaways, maybe to to not not have
Speaker 2: them or to feel bad about having them.
Speaker 3: I started so crazy when people used to ask me,
Speaker 3: what what's your favorite song to perform live? I get
Speaker 3: that question all the time, and I always thought that
Speaker 3: is such a stupid question. It's the one that they
Speaker 3: cheer them the biggest one.
Speaker 1: What Yeah.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what I like or what I how
Speaker 3: how the band sounds, or how artistic or creative, or
Speaker 3: the depth of the lyrics. It's whatever song they cheer
Speaker 3: the loudest, which actually changes market to market sometimes, And.
Speaker 2: If somebody said something that wasn't that, you'd be like,
Speaker 2: you're lying, yeah, and that's what that's what.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Has disenfranchised a lot of people from Christianity that you're
Speaker 2: You're like, I know what my brain is and I'm
Speaker 2: a monster, or.
Speaker 1: Like you you and theological gain too.
Speaker 2: You're hateful your self fish and you go and you go,
Speaker 2: there's no way that this guy's biggest struggle was that
Speaker 2: he ran into CBS and parked in the handicap parking spot.
Speaker 2: There's no way. And then you go, well, like you know,
Speaker 2: I was like I'm thinking about murdering my boss or
Speaker 2: what you know?
Speaker 1: And then you go.
Speaker 2: And then when somebody does say, yeah, I'm having a
Speaker 2: hard time. I feel like ten times out of ten
Speaker 2: everybody else was liked.
Speaker 1: Good for you.
Speaker 3: Jesus was the only answer against all the voices of
Speaker 3: the world for me during heavy struggles in my life,
Speaker 3: Jesus was the only one when everyone's like, you're a
Speaker 3: good person, forget you need to forgive yourself, grangdeer, you
Speaker 3: need to love yourself.
Speaker 1: Jesus was the only one that goes, no, no, come
Speaker 1: to me. I heal you. I make you clean. I
Speaker 1: forgive you, not because on what you've done, but what
Speaker 1: I've done. I heal you. Yes, you're a bad person.
Speaker 1: I make you obviously, you know. And everyone resonates that.
Speaker 1: What they what we don't resonate with is you're a
Speaker 1: good person. We know you're a good person.
Speaker 3: You just need to love yourself more, or you need
Speaker 3: to forgive yourself more. And I remember, like, what's the
Speaker 3: mechanism that would like what practically, how do I forgive myself?
Speaker 3: How do I love myself more?
Speaker 2: Tell me how to do that?
Speaker 1: And you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't. There's no more. There's no there's no end
Speaker 2: to that, no end, there's no end to that. And
Speaker 2: and and everybody. What's wild about what you said is
Speaker 2: that you could live in that today and then go
Speaker 2: back and pick up the other stuff tomorrow. Yeah, it doesn't.
Speaker 2: It's you're like, I'm a yeah, and I think I
Speaker 2: I in my book, I said when I remember my
Speaker 2: darkest point, I was some in the middle of I
Speaker 2: was like an airport holiday in like drunk and trying
Speaker 2: to like call this woman or something to come over
Speaker 2: to my room or something. That's back in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: I remember telling my therapist that story and he goes,
Speaker 2: what do you think?
Speaker 1: What do you think.
Speaker 2: Jesus would think about you being doing that? Well, the
Speaker 2: way I was raised is he'd be like, I can't
Speaker 2: believe you just did that show to church. This is embarrassing.
Speaker 2: I can't you don't say that you're a representative of me.
Speaker 2: I would walk by this bar and go I can't
Speaker 2: believe he's in there, and my therapist is not for me.
Speaker 1: I can't. My therapist goes, I think.
Speaker 2: Jesus would sit down next to you, goes, and I'll
Speaker 2: be like, I'm feeling sad. He goes, Yeah, he goes.
Speaker 2: You know, we think about Jesus's He's perfect and you go.
Speaker 2: But he was sad. All his friends left him. He
Speaker 2: was one hundred percent human, he was alone. His best
Speaker 2: friend Lazarus died. He goes, all these feelings, I I
Speaker 2: have them, and he'd probably sit down right next to
Speaker 2: you at the bar, goes, hey, if you get another
Speaker 2: couple of shots here and go up to your room
Speaker 2: with that woman is like, that's that's not the best
Speaker 2: that's not the best plan for you. But he goes,
Speaker 2: if you did that, I would understand. Now, I don't
Speaker 2: let you have the hook. I don't I don't agree
Speaker 2: with it, and he goes, I got a better plan
Speaker 2: for you. I have a better way for you. But
Speaker 2: when you're so lost, we were talking about that before
Speaker 2: we started, Like we only have a couple of cards
Speaker 2: to play, so you're like, this is the only one.
Speaker 2: This alcohol one is the card I know how to play.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: This, this gambling one is the card I know how
Speaker 2: to play. This anger one, this is the car I
Speaker 2: only I'm I'm upset, I'm i'm uh depressed, I'm sad,
Speaker 2: I'm alone. What cards do you have to play? And
Speaker 2: if you go, I'm gonna get drunk. I'm gonna get high.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna go look for some attention on
Speaker 2: the internet. I'm gonna post a store.
Speaker 1: I remember this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna post a story all these people, get the
Speaker 2: comments going, and I'll be good until I fall asleep.
Speaker 1: I live that. Ye Jesus would sit next to you
Speaker 1: and say, I know you want that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's not gonna shame.
Speaker 1: That's what I think.
Speaker 2: That's what we're saying, I know you want that, yeah,
Speaker 2: instead of saying you shouldn't want that, or you you
Speaker 2: don't want that, Chris, you don't want you or or
Speaker 2: slap your hand, you go. I understand why you're reaching
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: Yea, I know. I know.
Speaker 2: God s crime.
Speaker 1: He just looked to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he says, you don't know me well enough,
Speaker 2: that's why you want that. But I know you want
Speaker 2: that because I made your heart and I'm not all
Speaker 2: the way you grew up and your pastor or your
Speaker 2: youth pastor was like I remember, we would wear like
Speaker 2: a rubber band if we lusted, we would like snap
Speaker 2: it or like we or you know, all these like
Speaker 2: things to like yeah, rein in versus like I'm not
Speaker 2: there yet, but in a healthy place. As a believer,
Speaker 2: they'll be like, that's there and that I'm not going
Speaker 2: there because I God has a better plan for me.
Speaker 2: Not have GPS on your phone so somebody doesn't know
Speaker 2: that you. But if like this idea of if you
Speaker 2: ever got free of all these limitations, you would go wild,
Speaker 2: you know, like the you got tracking on your phone,
Speaker 2: you got filters on your and those are healthy in
Speaker 2: a in a in some ways. To build up some strength,
Speaker 2: I needed to go to rehab where they literally kept
Speaker 2: me away from alcohol. Now I've been sober for five years.
Speaker 2: There's alcohol in the hotel last night that when I
Speaker 2: checked in, I go, I got a better plan.
Speaker 1: What is God's plan for you? You said that twice?
Speaker 2: Now I think my I was put on earth to
Speaker 2: do this.
Speaker 5: You know the.
Speaker 2: Uh was it Prefontaine or whatever? When he was running,
Speaker 2: he's like, I feel God's pleasure when I run. He's
Speaker 2: like a marathon runner. And I go, I love that
Speaker 2: movie because he's like, that's a very.
Speaker 1: That's not a.
Speaker 2: What you would call the ministry or like a noble.
Speaker 2: He's like, I feel that God made my body like
Speaker 2: this and when I use it in this way that
Speaker 2: I feel his pleasure. That's how I feel when I'm
Speaker 2: healthy doing stand up you healthy now, healthier, healthier. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't. I never want to be the guy that's like,
Speaker 2: I gotta figure it out. Follow me, I gotta figure
Speaker 2: it out a healthier Yeah, but I could.
Speaker 1: I could.
Speaker 2: I remember days, I mean, before I went to rehab,
Speaker 2: They're like, if you take this from me, I'm going
Speaker 2: down with it. And now, I mean COVID happened, we
Speaker 2: couldn't do it, and I just come out of rehab.
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm great, and everybody else's kind of
Speaker 2: falling apart, and I think, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: Every day struggle for me, balancing the validation of the
Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna go check in a month how this
Speaker 2: one did versus the other ones that you released before
Speaker 2: and after I did that with my assistant. I go, hey,
Speaker 2: look at all these pods I was on. Check just
Speaker 2: check the views, and we.
Speaker 1: Need a good title in thumbnail.
Speaker 2: Or else I'm going to go back to rehab.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, do you remember when you became a Christian?
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and what was the date.
Speaker 2: I was nine? I was born in nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 2: so it be nineteen ninety three. I think it was
Speaker 2: August seventh. My dad still has it. He has it
Speaker 2: like a two by four and he was he was
Speaker 2: building the an addition on our house and he's like, John,
Speaker 2: come over here. And he drew out with a construction
Speaker 2: pen the you know, like the cliff and then the
Speaker 2: other cliff, the gods over here where we're here in
Speaker 2: the cross, and he like true. And I'd obviously been
Speaker 2: in church and he's like, what do you want to
Speaker 2: accept Christ into your life? And I said, yeah, I
Speaker 2: pray with my dad. And I think he still has that.
Speaker 2: I think he's waiting to give it to me before,
Speaker 2: like when I get married or something. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm forty, Can I get the Wait, when do I
Speaker 2: get the two by four? It's got to be still
Speaker 2: at the house somewhere. Yeah, But that's an interesting journey
Speaker 2: of picking it up and putting it down and leaving
Speaker 2: it for years and but but never never being like,
Speaker 2: it's all up you go. I think everybody. I said
Speaker 2: this on a podcast yesterday. If you go to open
Speaker 2: mic Night at Zany's on Monday night, it's twenty comics, right,
Speaker 2: twenty comics, Eighteen of them will have a joke about
Speaker 2: Jesus and these are not these are he's not Christians.
Speaker 2: So so, but they grew up obviously they were in Nashville.
Speaker 2: But but this is, this is everywhere though, everywhere I go,
Speaker 2: everywhere I go, so all these comedians that have a
Speaker 2: mind like me that I go, look at the liars,
Speaker 2: hypocritical judgmental my mom said she was a Christian and
Speaker 2: then cheated on my dad, all these things. But they're
Speaker 2: they're they're laying their head on the pillow and going
Speaker 2: it might be something to it. You know that there's
Speaker 2: no I've never heard a joke about Mohammed. I've never
Speaker 2: heard a joke about Joseph Smith. I've never heard a
Speaker 2: joke about all of them. And everybody is. And you'd
Speaker 2: be discouraged by that if you think very surface level.
Speaker 2: But if you think a little bit deeper, that should
Speaker 2: be wildly encouraging to every believer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wildly.
Speaker 2: And you go everybody's like it's not true, you go,
Speaker 2: might be And I think that's what everybody has felt.
Speaker 2: I don't know what do you call the Holy Spirit
Speaker 2: or or that.
Speaker 3: They forgot the way you were raised already, Dude, I
Speaker 3: was currently reading this book on Cortes from Quistador and
Speaker 3: he was going and as he was going into Mexico,
Speaker 3: he's going to all those pyramids, the same pyramids that
Speaker 3: people these days like go and take selfie and it's
Speaker 3: got nice flowers. And those were those were pyramids for
Speaker 3: human sacrifice. Those Aztecs were the priest were going up there,
Speaker 3: constant flow of blood on those pyramids, on the rocks,
Speaker 3: cutting people's heads off, pulling their beating hearts out of
Speaker 3: their eyes, because Yeah, because they knew something in them
Speaker 3: was saying, we owe something to God and it it
Speaker 3: requires a human sacrifice. It requires it requires blood. And
Speaker 3: you think about why are they doing that. When Jesus says,
Speaker 3: I'm the human sacrifice, I go the cross.
Speaker 1: It's my blood.
Speaker 3: I atone, I forgive because of my blood. Why all
Speaker 3: the way across the world in a different era are
Speaker 3: these people that have none. They have history, throughout history,
Speaker 3: throughout history, all over the world, and they're going, it
Speaker 3: requires human sacrifice.
Speaker 1: I'm not forgiven. I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: There's something in me that's bad, and to clean me,
Speaker 3: somebody needs to die. That is that's the weirdest.
Speaker 2: How would you possibly have Yeah, and so yeah, you are.
Speaker 2: That's not an American thing. That's not a Western, that's
Speaker 2: not an enlightenment, that's not a technol. We didn't think
Speaker 2: that now for since Cana and Abel. You know this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: something we have to Yeah, there's there's there. Why don't
Speaker 2: you even your atheist? Why don't you it's just you
Speaker 2: and this grandma? And why don't you kill her? Well?
Speaker 1: I don't, Well what, yeah, it matter? It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Well, karma stop? Why and then why do you feel?
Speaker 2: What is it when you help someone, when you look
Speaker 2: out for someone, when you put someone other in front
Speaker 2: of yourself, when you serve, when you give.
Speaker 3: You should kill them? That would actually be a lot
Speaker 3: better for society.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should just kill it. He's just kind of
Speaker 1: wasting resources. Yeah, and he's not giving it.
Speaker 2: You should kill him? Why not? And that that's where
Speaker 2: that's where the message of Christ. And I like the
Speaker 2: idea that that Christ was always like, people are like,
Speaker 2: how do we do it?
Speaker 1: What's the way?
Speaker 2: And he goes it's like kind of like a tree
Speaker 2: planted by a river, and right, it wasn't that he
Speaker 2: didn't say, are you the Christ? Oh don't think you
Speaker 2: know what? And it was always like it was always
Speaker 2: a parable. He's like, well, it's like a seed planet
Speaker 2: in uh and you go, it was up to that's
Speaker 2: like some of the loudest voices, and maybe in Christianity,
Speaker 2: I go to have some more confidence in it. People
Speaker 2: know a lot of these social issues are like, dude,
Speaker 2: we don't need to be yelling fighting with you. They
Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, you lay
Speaker 2: your head on.
Speaker 1: The pillow and you know, mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's why it's thinking. It's beautiful about about the faith.
Speaker 1: Bro, Thank you for being here and taking the full ride.
Speaker 2: Let me say it is out here. It is out here.
Speaker 2: This is the guy that just went off. I was
Speaker 2: driving over here and a guy just in his truck
Speaker 2: just went off. It wasn't even a road. Yeah, he goes,
Speaker 2: I'm going down here.
Speaker 1: I'll make it John christ a bit. One day he's like,
Speaker 1: I was going to visit my buddy in the podcast.
Speaker 2: And yeah, on the show, I think it's about us.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate you absolutely.
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