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Speaker 1: We're back here at the NFL Scouting Combine downtown Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: with Lara Overton. I'm Matt Taylor and now it's our

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Speaker 1: pleasure to visit with Charles Davis. You see him on

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Speaker 1: CBS calling games NFL Network. By the way, NFL Network

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Speaker 1: is providing on location coverage of the NFL Scouting Combined

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Speaker 1: Thursday through Sunday, starting at four o'clock Eastern every single day.

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Speaker 1: Charles is going to be a part of it. Charles,

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Speaker 1: great to have you back in Indianapolis. Good sir, how

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Speaker 1: are you. I'm doing great, Matt. It's wonderful to be

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Speaker 1: here with you and Lara. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: having me on. And it's always a pleasure. And I

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Speaker 1: can't believe you know, we actually talked about during the season.

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Speaker 1: I'm on with ian Eagles are played by play having

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Speaker 1: Washburn our sideline, so I'm lucky enough to have joined

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Speaker 1: a really terrific team at CBS. We kept talking during

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Speaker 1: the year. We never saw the Cults, he never did.

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Speaker 1: We never saw the Colts, and that was like the

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Speaker 1: upset of upsets because the year before we've seen you

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Speaker 1: a few times. We had that great playoff game against Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: and so we'd been around, but the idea that we

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Speaker 1: didn't see you really throw us. And then as we

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Speaker 1: came down the stretch, we all said, you know something,

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Speaker 1: if they sneak into the playoffs, we're gonna get them

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Speaker 1: then and not see them all year. Unfortunately, talk about disappointment,

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Speaker 1: but no one and none of us saw that coming,

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Speaker 1: like especially going into week eight team with Jacksonville. So

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Speaker 1: you're you're the perfect guy to ask then, because you

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Speaker 1: have a very objective view of the Colts, what did

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Speaker 1: you make of their season? Obviously it ended in disappointment

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Speaker 1: nine and eight because a handful of weeks before that

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Speaker 1: they were the team that they were the team he

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Speaker 1: didn't nobody wanted to see inside the AFC playoff picture.

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Speaker 1: How surprised are you, Charles that the Colts are having

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Speaker 1: to answer the questions that they are right now? Regarding

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Speaker 1: Carson went, I am surprised because I thought what we

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Speaker 1: saw leaving Buffalo in the playoff game the year before,

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Speaker 1: this is a team set up for success for the future.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a boy they just turned leaking oil at

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Speaker 1: the end. Now we knew they had to change on

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Speaker 1: quarterback because the Philip Rivers. Question was looming, would he

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Speaker 1: come back, would he not come back? But even if

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Speaker 1: he came back, you're gonna have to fortify in the

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Speaker 1: quarterback position because of Philip's age. Well, he decided to

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Speaker 1: go the next saying, you know you end up with

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Speaker 1: you know, you end up with Carson. Well, if there

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Speaker 1: was any better place for him to go, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what it was. Go back with a guy that

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Speaker 1: believed in him and Frank Reich who coached him before

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Speaker 1: being able to run the football with a Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 1: The surprise for me all year long was the slow

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Speaker 1: start getting swept by Tennessee, and then when you made

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Speaker 1: the rush lay you were still in it even though

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Speaker 1: you're getting swept by Tennessee, which told me, Wow, this

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Speaker 1: is a disappointment for them. This team is too good

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Speaker 1: to me to have missed last year. Yeah, there's extenuatings here,

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Speaker 1: here and here, but all in all, I thought that's

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Speaker 1: this was a team that there's no other way to

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Speaker 1: characterize it. They had to be disappointed. Aside from the

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Speaker 1: quarterback situation, Chris Ballard was saying, there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of other areas that this team needs to get better,

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Speaker 1: whether that's in the draft, whether that's in free agency.

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Speaker 1: However this shakes out between March and September, there is

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Speaker 1: work to be done. Your priorities, aside from the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: where you think the Colts can make some moves, Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's in free agency. Maybe that's in the draft where

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Speaker 1: they should be targeting and putting their energy and effort.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Lara, when I look at them, that offensive

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Speaker 1: line gets a lot of acclaim. But you're still wondering

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Speaker 1: about your left tackle position. You know, you kind of

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Speaker 1: So to me, continuing to go there, whatever I do,

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Speaker 1: I still think in the secondary, at the cornerback position,

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Speaker 1: out Alabama, Jamison Williams, who likely would have gone higher

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Speaker 1: How ask can you get him back? Can you sit

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Speaker 1: what's the payoff? And the payoff could be pretty huge,

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Speaker 1: kind of like what we saw a couple of years

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Speaker 1: interesting because Julian has certainly been dynamic right when he's

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Speaker 1: been Charles picking up there, what's your belief in the

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Speaker 1: time throwing the ball right, only over two hundred yards

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Speaker 1: the Colts are built and how they want to play,

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Speaker 1: can you win big like that? With that, with that

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Speaker 1: formula of being a ground center team, obviously what they

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Speaker 1: want more balance than they had last year. But being

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Speaker 1: of that? I think, I think you can win big

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Speaker 1: being a ground oriented team, but I think that you

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Speaker 1: hit on it, Matt in terms of balance, isn't quite

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Speaker 1: the word I'm looking for, but it's it's in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: What I'm looking for is look, state of Indiana loves

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Speaker 1: it toops. Right. I am the son of a basketball

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Speaker 1: basketball coach. I grew up with basketball all the way

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Speaker 1: through me. Here's here's how I describe it. You can

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Speaker 1: slog man, I'm telling you. When you're coming down in

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Speaker 1: really well. You've got to maximize. You got to shoot

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Speaker 1: some easy hoops. Take some pressure off, because it's not

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Speaker 1: What I mean, of course, is ken Jonathan Taylor do Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: those easy throws outside? Can you get some of those

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Speaker 1: my basketball analogy I think he fits for them. Sure,

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Speaker 1: get a few runouts. Yeah, it's a long night, it's

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Speaker 1: a long season. You're gonna win more than your share,

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Speaker 1: but it's difficult. He would be Brown, the great basketball coach,

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Speaker 1: the series. But as the next series has started, they

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Speaker 1: went on, that's a lot. It's not to ask. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm looking for, some easy shots over the top.

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Speaker 1: find some talent, especially in that second round with the

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Speaker 1: have seen the Colts prioritize defensive talent. Last year it

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Speaker 1: liked to prioritize the trenches and addressing the needs that

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Speaker 1: you want to finish games, not just finish the season,

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Speaker 1: you wanted your defense to be able to close out games.

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Speaker 1: Something that Frank Wreich touched on yesterday the addition of

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Speaker 1: Gus Bradley as defensive coordinator. What does he bring the

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Speaker 1: part of what Gus does and part of what people

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Speaker 1: ask of Gus when he goes like last year with

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Speaker 1: So those safeties member Gus has at Seattle. Remember he

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Speaker 1: Thomas was the best racer in the game. Anything that

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Speaker 1: pass rushers. He ended up having that last year in

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. Max Crosby, Pro Bowl Guy, Yannike and Goquay

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Speaker 1: That's what you're looking for. You want to find that

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Speaker 1: group like Gibra Flew had, but you want to keep them,

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Speaker 1: What's coming off the edge? Can Quity pay continue to go?

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Speaker 1: Is it? David Ojabo available and from Michigan in the

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Speaker 1: Georgia to come off the edge. How about let's just

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Speaker 1: stay in state carprolitis. Yeah, yeah, from Purdue. More people

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Speaker 1: so that he can run his games on the back

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Speaker 1: end and not have the blitz. Charles, I realized the

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Speaker 1: off one of the more electric, exciting, entertaining NFL playoff. Crazy, right,

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Speaker 1: the amount of games that we saw. With that in mind,

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