1 00:00:14,996 --> 00:00:26,076 Speaker 1: Pushkin or sick cr zero season nine seven six six 2 00:00:26,596 --> 00:00:30,636 Speaker 1: zero five Shift. Thank you very much. You're welcome to 3 00:00:31,476 --> 00:00:34,196 Speaker 1: I'd like to speak. I sit in court and watch 4 00:00:34,276 --> 00:00:40,676 Speaker 1: Anthony Rowda a lot. No, you'd denied. This is the 5 00:00:40,716 --> 00:00:43,196 Speaker 1: tape from that first time I saw him, when he 6 00:00:43,236 --> 00:00:46,156 Speaker 1: threw himself up against the walls of his plexiglass cage, 7 00:00:46,756 --> 00:00:50,716 Speaker 1: shouting at the judge, his own lawyer, the bailiff, the world. 8 00:00:52,276 --> 00:00:53,916 Speaker 1: So I don't give a shit. I'm want to speak. 9 00:00:54,476 --> 00:00:56,996 Speaker 1: You don't have a right speak. I'm speak, but you 10 00:00:57,076 --> 00:00:59,436 Speaker 1: speaking through your return. No, I'm not gonna speak. I'm 11 00:00:59,436 --> 00:01:01,556 Speaker 1: not gonna cooperate with the pup defenders oppose anymore. So 12 00:01:01,556 --> 00:01:09,996 Speaker 1: that's that's the case. And on that one piece of ship, 13 00:01:10,636 --> 00:01:13,716 Speaker 1: you're a piece of ship, bitch sharks that motherfucker, fucking 14 00:01:13,876 --> 00:01:17,076 Speaker 1: your mama. I think my client is a little over. 15 00:01:17,556 --> 00:01:24,196 Speaker 1: I haven't been accustomed to him. The murder case is 16 00:01:24,276 --> 00:01:28,156 Speaker 1: dragging through pre trial hearings. Routa is a frequent miss out. 17 00:01:28,756 --> 00:01:31,196 Speaker 1: I never know if he'll even show up, or which 18 00:01:31,316 --> 00:01:35,316 Speaker 1: router will show up. He can seem calm and lucid. 19 00:01:36,356 --> 00:01:39,196 Speaker 1: Other times he's out of it. He appears to be 20 00:01:39,316 --> 00:01:42,476 Speaker 1: smiling or laughing, but I can never tell it who 21 00:01:42,556 --> 00:01:47,476 Speaker 1: or at what he stretches, pulls his cheek, yawns. It's 22 00:01:47,516 --> 00:01:52,156 Speaker 1: like watching someone watch a sitcom. I can't see. Then, 23 00:01:52,276 --> 00:01:56,596 Speaker 1: without warning, Hilly rupped his lawyer, a new one every 24 00:01:56,636 --> 00:02:00,796 Speaker 1: several months. Is quote a little punk ass motherfucker, and 25 00:02:00,876 --> 00:02:06,196 Speaker 1: Rotta wants to go proper represent himself. I've wondered a 26 00:02:06,236 --> 00:02:10,596 Speaker 1: lot about his mental state and about his guilt. Could 27 00:02:10,596 --> 00:02:14,396 Speaker 1: this person really have killed Tristan Bodet? What would have 28 00:02:14,436 --> 00:02:18,356 Speaker 1: been his motivation? I've been sending rout of letters in jail, 29 00:02:18,676 --> 00:02:21,596 Speaker 1: googling every name I can find that connects to him, 30 00:02:21,596 --> 00:02:23,636 Speaker 1: trying to find out as much as I can about 31 00:02:23,676 --> 00:02:27,876 Speaker 1: this man who seems to have wanted so badly to disappear. 32 00:02:29,156 --> 00:02:32,756 Speaker 1: And I keep coming back to the same questions. What 33 00:02:32,916 --> 00:02:35,316 Speaker 1: kind of loaner camps out in the hills behind the 34 00:02:35,356 --> 00:02:39,476 Speaker 1: Sheriff's station and why would a hermit wander into a 35 00:02:39,516 --> 00:02:48,036 Speaker 1: campground with a gun? I'm Dana Goodyear and this is 36 00:02:48,116 --> 00:03:24,796 Speaker 1: Lost Hills, episode five, Crazy Horse. All Right, we're ready 37 00:03:24,956 --> 00:03:30,196 Speaker 1: to do this. I'm just gonna go for it. I'm 38 00:03:30,196 --> 00:03:33,316 Speaker 1: standing outside a large complex of attached houses in the 39 00:03:33,356 --> 00:03:36,796 Speaker 1: middle of the sprawling San Fernando Valley. I'm not too 40 00:03:36,796 --> 00:03:39,236 Speaker 1: far from Malibu, just on the other side of the mountains. 41 00:03:39,516 --> 00:03:43,116 Speaker 1: But it's a different world, fast food places and low 42 00:03:43,156 --> 00:03:47,356 Speaker 1: slung housing, the stucco jungle. It's six o'clock at night, 43 00:03:47,676 --> 00:03:50,436 Speaker 1: ninety five degrees. I'm about to knock on the door 44 00:03:50,436 --> 00:03:53,276 Speaker 1: to the unit where I think Lisa Rouda Cook lives. 45 00:03:53,996 --> 00:04:05,276 Speaker 1: Lisa Rouda as in Anthony's sister. Hello, Hi, are you Jerry? No? 46 00:04:05,396 --> 00:04:08,156 Speaker 1: Hold on a second, okay, ye all, Actually I'm trying 47 00:04:08,156 --> 00:04:10,836 Speaker 1: to find Lisa. Okay, one second, Thank you very much. 48 00:04:12,876 --> 00:04:14,836 Speaker 1: I know that Lisa is married to a man named 49 00:04:14,876 --> 00:04:17,316 Speaker 1: Jerry Cook, and they've lived at this address for quite 50 00:04:17,356 --> 00:04:19,796 Speaker 1: some time. She has a good job at a bank, 51 00:04:20,796 --> 00:04:23,236 Speaker 1: and I have a feeling that Anthony and Lisa are 52 00:04:23,596 --> 00:04:27,036 Speaker 1: or were close. At one point, he carried around letters 53 00:04:27,036 --> 00:04:29,756 Speaker 1: from Lisa in his backpack. I found that in some 54 00:04:29,756 --> 00:04:33,036 Speaker 1: old court documents he filed petitioning to get the letters back. 55 00:04:33,956 --> 00:04:37,756 Speaker 1: That detail kills me. So here I am knocking on 56 00:04:37,796 --> 00:04:45,716 Speaker 1: her door. Hi are you Jerry? Please? Okay? Can I 57 00:04:45,756 --> 00:04:47,556 Speaker 1: just tell you who I am? No, I don't need 58 00:04:47,596 --> 00:04:51,036 Speaker 1: to know. I've got Jerry Cook's number, so I try 59 00:04:51,036 --> 00:04:53,396 Speaker 1: calling him from the car, just as a guy with 60 00:04:53,436 --> 00:05:00,556 Speaker 1: a leaflower walks by. Oh, hi is this Jerry, Jerry, 61 00:05:00,876 --> 00:05:03,196 Speaker 1: This is Dana Goodyear. I just was at your door. 62 00:05:03,316 --> 00:05:06,796 Speaker 1: I'm really sorry to have disturbed you. I just I'm 63 00:05:06,876 --> 00:05:09,476 Speaker 1: trying to explain what I'm doing. I've been course sponding 64 00:05:09,516 --> 00:05:14,436 Speaker 1: with Anthony. I've been talking to Oswald and I'm trying 65 00:05:14,516 --> 00:05:19,316 Speaker 1: to learn more about him and his background and his childhood, 66 00:05:19,476 --> 00:05:22,476 Speaker 1: and that's why I'm trying to reach out to you 67 00:05:22,516 --> 00:05:26,796 Speaker 1: and Lisa. Jerry is pretty down on the idea, but 68 00:05:26,836 --> 00:05:29,196 Speaker 1: if Anthony wants him to talk to me, he will. 69 00:05:29,716 --> 00:05:33,916 Speaker 1: I'll just need to get written permission, he says from Anthony. 70 00:05:34,356 --> 00:05:37,636 Speaker 1: That tells me something. Even if these people never show 71 00:05:37,716 --> 00:05:41,156 Speaker 1: up in court or associate publicly with Routa in any way, 72 00:05:41,276 --> 00:05:45,356 Speaker 1: they're still supporting him. But I'm just saying, if Anthony 73 00:05:45,436 --> 00:05:48,996 Speaker 1: tells me in writing, then I'll take a snapshot of 74 00:05:49,036 --> 00:05:51,116 Speaker 1: that and texted to you at this number, and then 75 00:05:51,116 --> 00:05:55,396 Speaker 1: we can talk. They still care what he thinks. Okay, 76 00:05:55,436 --> 00:05:59,236 Speaker 1: thank you very much. And Jerry tells me they all 77 00:05:59,276 --> 00:06:07,036 Speaker 1: think this is a frame job. Ozzie Anthony Rowda's dad 78 00:06:07,276 --> 00:06:10,716 Speaker 1: shows up for almost every hearing. I check his face 79 00:06:10,796 --> 00:06:14,396 Speaker 1: for signs of fatigue. The days when his cheeks are sallow, 80 00:06:14,636 --> 00:06:16,716 Speaker 1: helled not a quick hillo and then hurry off to 81 00:06:16,756 --> 00:06:20,156 Speaker 1: work afterward. But when he's in a good mood, we 82 00:06:20,236 --> 00:06:22,996 Speaker 1: talked for long stretches and I ask him about the 83 00:06:23,036 --> 00:06:27,916 Speaker 1: Anthony Routa. He knows his kid, not the alleged Malibu killer. 84 00:06:29,356 --> 00:06:31,196 Speaker 1: He tells me that Anthony was born at the Big 85 00:06:31,276 --> 00:06:34,356 Speaker 1: Kaiser Hospital in Hollywood. He grew up on the East 86 00:06:34,396 --> 00:06:38,236 Speaker 1: side of Los Angeles in Highland Park before it was gentrified. 87 00:06:39,596 --> 00:06:43,276 Speaker 1: Anthony's the youngest of three kids. Ozzie remembers him as 88 00:06:43,316 --> 00:06:46,836 Speaker 1: shy and neat and meticulously clean. He didn't even get 89 00:06:46,836 --> 00:06:53,916 Speaker 1: dirty playing baseball. He loved cats. These details are so undescriptive. 90 00:06:54,916 --> 00:06:58,396 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm looking at the back of someone's minivan. Anthony, 91 00:06:58,516 --> 00:07:01,636 Speaker 1: his parents and siblings are like those stick figure drawings. 92 00:07:03,036 --> 00:07:06,636 Speaker 1: Is Ozzie withholding or does he just not know? It's 93 00:07:06,676 --> 00:07:10,956 Speaker 1: almost like his youngest son barely registered for him, and 94 00:07:11,116 --> 00:07:14,116 Speaker 1: none of it even begins to explain how Anthony finds 95 00:07:14,196 --> 00:07:19,716 Speaker 1: himself in jail on murder charges. Ozzie says that he 96 00:07:19,796 --> 00:07:23,196 Speaker 1: and Anthony's mom divorced in the late eighties. Then she 97 00:07:23,316 --> 00:07:26,796 Speaker 1: moved the kids to Florida when Anthony was ten or twelve. 98 00:07:28,236 --> 00:07:32,316 Speaker 1: At that point, Ozzie lost track of him completely. When 99 00:07:32,356 --> 00:07:36,276 Speaker 1: Anthony showed up in la again years later, Ozzie says 100 00:07:36,276 --> 00:07:43,436 Speaker 1: he was different, friendless, joyless, sleepless, laughing weirdly all the time. 101 00:07:44,716 --> 00:07:50,596 Speaker 1: His son, but not Hello, Dana. I'm writing in response 102 00:07:50,636 --> 00:07:52,796 Speaker 1: to your letters. I would have written you earlier, but 103 00:07:52,876 --> 00:07:55,836 Speaker 1: the jail staff has been sending back stamps, envelopes, etc. 104 00:07:57,236 --> 00:08:00,236 Speaker 1: In June twenty nineteen, I got my first letter from 105 00:08:00,276 --> 00:08:04,756 Speaker 1: Anthony Rawda. He's careful, always playing close with information about 106 00:08:04,756 --> 00:08:08,876 Speaker 1: his time in Malibu, but he's generous with itineraries accounts 107 00:08:08,876 --> 00:08:12,476 Speaker 1: of a vagabond life. It's kind of a Kerouac hobotale. 108 00:08:12,676 --> 00:08:17,156 Speaker 1: In his telling about twenty years ago, I decided to 109 00:08:17,236 --> 00:08:19,236 Speaker 1: leave my life due to threats on me and my 110 00:08:19,276 --> 00:08:22,516 Speaker 1: family's life. Rata's letters are being read by an actor. 111 00:08:22,956 --> 00:08:26,436 Speaker 1: They've been lately edited for clarity. I packed a backpack 112 00:08:26,516 --> 00:08:28,796 Speaker 1: with no money, and I traveled on foot and car 113 00:08:28,876 --> 00:08:32,716 Speaker 1: rides from Florida to Niagara Falls. After that, he's been 114 00:08:32,756 --> 00:08:35,836 Speaker 1: drifting around for two decades, spending time with homeless and 115 00:08:35,836 --> 00:08:39,756 Speaker 1: transient communities up and down the West Coast. Malibu and 116 00:08:39,796 --> 00:08:42,956 Speaker 1: the nearby San Fernando Valley were a home base. The 117 00:08:43,076 --> 00:08:46,196 Speaker 1: terrain he kept returning to. I did this three times 118 00:08:46,196 --> 00:08:48,876 Speaker 1: and got tired and decided to stop traveling and settle 119 00:08:48,916 --> 00:08:51,516 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. I did not want to work and 120 00:08:51,596 --> 00:08:54,356 Speaker 1: could not adjust to a stable life, so I decided 121 00:08:54,516 --> 00:08:59,236 Speaker 1: to be homeless. I spent many days and nights on beaches, mountains, etc. 122 00:08:59,916 --> 00:09:02,676 Speaker 1: I have hike parts of the Pacific Crest Trail, traveled 123 00:09:02,676 --> 00:09:06,276 Speaker 1: to Texas and Arizona. I've been in various parts of 124 00:09:06,316 --> 00:09:09,796 Speaker 1: the Santa Monica Mountains. In his first letter, he also 125 00:09:09,836 --> 00:09:12,316 Speaker 1: starts to tell me about his history with law enforcement. 126 00:09:13,116 --> 00:09:17,076 Speaker 1: It goes back years. He has a special hatred for 127 00:09:17,156 --> 00:09:21,196 Speaker 1: the Lost Hills cops. I have a history of being 128 00:09:21,236 --> 00:09:24,796 Speaker 1: assaulted by sheriff's deputies inside jail and by the Lost 129 00:09:24,876 --> 00:09:28,516 Speaker 1: Hills Department. I've tried to sue the sheriffs. I have 130 00:09:28,636 --> 00:09:31,956 Speaker 1: written internal affairs in the past, including the ACLU and 131 00:09:32,116 --> 00:09:36,716 Speaker 1: Amnesty International, but no one helped or even investigated. I 132 00:09:36,756 --> 00:09:41,356 Speaker 1: wrote the county ombuntsmen many times. They usually investigated, but 133 00:09:41,396 --> 00:09:47,116 Speaker 1: the officers protect each other with lies. They're lying now, 134 00:09:49,316 --> 00:09:51,316 Speaker 1: over the course of nine months, I get a total 135 00:09:51,356 --> 00:09:55,836 Speaker 1: of five letters. It's a bumpy correspondence. He accuses me 136 00:09:55,876 --> 00:09:58,556 Speaker 1: of ignoring letters I never received, and letters of mine 137 00:09:58,636 --> 00:10:02,476 Speaker 1: come back unopened. From the erratic rhythm, it seems like 138 00:10:02,516 --> 00:10:06,196 Speaker 1: the Sheriff's department is interfering with the mail. He says 139 00:10:06,196 --> 00:10:10,396 Speaker 1: they're messing with him in other ways, too outraged, for instance, 140 00:10:10,436 --> 00:10:13,356 Speaker 1: that they put him in with the general population. His 141 00:10:13,556 --> 00:10:15,956 Speaker 1: name and face have been all over the news as 142 00:10:15,956 --> 00:10:21,196 Speaker 1: an attempted murderer of two little girls. As far as treatment, 143 00:10:21,596 --> 00:10:24,076 Speaker 1: they refused me a phone call at arrest and tried 144 00:10:24,076 --> 00:10:26,996 Speaker 1: to question me after I asked for an attorney. They 145 00:10:26,996 --> 00:10:29,636 Speaker 1: put me in general population after arrest, even though my 146 00:10:29,716 --> 00:10:32,756 Speaker 1: face was on television. Deputies try to question me about 147 00:10:32,756 --> 00:10:36,116 Speaker 1: my case. They sent back mail with stamps and envelopes. 148 00:10:36,716 --> 00:10:39,876 Speaker 1: They have refused me visits. They sometimes try to smut 149 00:10:39,956 --> 00:10:42,836 Speaker 1: my name among the inmates. I don't want the wrong 150 00:10:42,876 --> 00:10:44,756 Speaker 1: image to be conveyed to people that I am a 151 00:10:44,796 --> 00:10:48,076 Speaker 1: monster benefiting from the hardship of the victims of the case. 152 00:10:49,436 --> 00:10:53,356 Speaker 1: He writes that he's being stonewalled and railroaded, maybe even 153 00:10:53,356 --> 00:10:56,476 Speaker 1: by his own lawyers. I have been wronged by the 154 00:10:56,556 --> 00:10:59,476 Speaker 1: system and other people. I am not a violent person, 155 00:10:59,556 --> 00:11:01,436 Speaker 1: and I would never want to be known as someone 156 00:11:01,436 --> 00:11:06,716 Speaker 1: who would hurt innocent people or children. I try to 157 00:11:06,796 --> 00:11:09,916 Speaker 1: draw him out on other subjects. Tell me about your art, 158 00:11:09,956 --> 00:11:12,796 Speaker 1: I say. He often includes a sketch with his letters. 159 00:11:13,396 --> 00:11:15,836 Speaker 1: I've been writing and sketching since i was eleven or 160 00:11:15,916 --> 00:11:19,076 Speaker 1: twelve years old, and have been complimented over them since then. 161 00:11:19,796 --> 00:11:23,156 Speaker 1: I've been interested in rap hip hop since my teens, 162 00:11:23,716 --> 00:11:25,636 Speaker 1: and it was always a dream to make an album. 163 00:11:26,556 --> 00:11:32,956 Speaker 1: He cites his creative inspirations Elvis, the Three Stooges, Tupac, Edgar, 164 00:11:32,956 --> 00:11:38,636 Speaker 1: Allan Poe, and now me. He sends me a poem. 165 00:11:39,156 --> 00:11:44,156 Speaker 1: It's called lies. It's all about lies, lies surrounding him, 166 00:11:44,396 --> 00:11:48,876 Speaker 1: pain killing him, living a lie for his enemies. One 167 00:11:48,916 --> 00:11:52,436 Speaker 1: pair of line sticks out quote when I opened my 168 00:11:52,516 --> 00:11:56,676 Speaker 1: hands and see blood instead of sweat and dirt. That 169 00:11:56,796 --> 00:12:00,396 Speaker 1: gets me thinking. It's not to be taken literal, he writes. 170 00:12:01,756 --> 00:12:03,876 Speaker 1: He tells me he wanted to be a DJ. That 171 00:12:03,956 --> 00:12:07,076 Speaker 1: didn't work out. Then he submitted a headshot to Central 172 00:12:07,116 --> 00:12:10,516 Speaker 1: Casting in Burbank. He says, he cast in something, but 173 00:12:10,596 --> 00:12:14,636 Speaker 1: the role was canceled. That's as close as I came 174 00:12:14,676 --> 00:12:18,236 Speaker 1: to success. I met Will Chamberlain as a kid, and 175 00:12:18,316 --> 00:12:22,316 Speaker 1: also Richard Pryor in Canada. I did a little looking 176 00:12:22,356 --> 00:12:25,716 Speaker 1: into the television industry there. Once I tried to get 177 00:12:25,756 --> 00:12:29,116 Speaker 1: to the set of Dark Angel just to see Jessica Elba, 178 00:12:29,836 --> 00:12:31,476 Speaker 1: but I don't think it was the right time. I 179 00:12:31,516 --> 00:12:37,556 Speaker 1: didn't see anyone the weird stuff I'd do. He signed 180 00:12:37,636 --> 00:12:40,396 Speaker 1: up for Social Security and got a driver's license. He 181 00:12:40,476 --> 00:12:43,076 Speaker 1: rented a car and drove up to Big Bear and camped. 182 00:12:43,836 --> 00:12:47,276 Speaker 1: He says he reads a lot of anarchist books, Illuminati conspiracies, 183 00:12:47,396 --> 00:12:53,236 Speaker 1: handbooks for outdoor survival, manuals on how to disappear. He 184 00:12:53,316 --> 00:12:56,516 Speaker 1: once made himself a fake press pass. I could make 185 00:12:56,556 --> 00:13:00,076 Speaker 1: birth certificate state ID, which led to the city News 186 00:13:00,116 --> 00:13:02,996 Speaker 1: ID to convince someone I was who I was and 187 00:13:03,116 --> 00:13:09,276 Speaker 1: maybe go to shows and concerts free. His life was 188 00:13:09,316 --> 00:13:14,516 Speaker 1: lonely by design, especially in Malado. I've seen a lot 189 00:13:14,556 --> 00:13:17,636 Speaker 1: of places. The Santa Monica Mountains are beautiful and I 190 00:13:17,716 --> 00:13:20,636 Speaker 1: have a lot of pictures. The fog in the morning 191 00:13:20,636 --> 00:13:24,316 Speaker 1: off Mulholland is very thick. At night. I would take 192 00:13:24,356 --> 00:13:29,116 Speaker 1: pictures with my phone of the colorful flowers. Baby lizards 193 00:13:29,236 --> 00:13:30,996 Speaker 1: used to crawl on me when I was sitting in 194 00:13:31,036 --> 00:13:35,116 Speaker 1: the sun. He did a lot of weird stuff on 195 00:13:35,156 --> 00:13:39,676 Speaker 1: his own, tripping out in nature. I did do some meditation, 196 00:13:39,756 --> 00:13:42,356 Speaker 1: but not a lot. Once I think I had a vision, 197 00:13:42,436 --> 00:13:45,436 Speaker 1: but I don't know. There were no drugs involved. I 198 00:13:45,476 --> 00:13:48,356 Speaker 1: was trying astral projection at the time. It was not 199 00:13:48,436 --> 00:13:52,356 Speaker 1: breathing exercises, but a total relaxation of the body. To me, 200 00:13:52,436 --> 00:13:57,676 Speaker 1: it worked. I've never had a similar experience again. Sometimes 201 00:13:57,676 --> 00:14:00,476 Speaker 1: he was scared, like in the summer of twenty eighteen. 202 00:14:01,436 --> 00:14:03,396 Speaker 1: I heard a lot of gunshots around the time of 203 00:14:03,396 --> 00:14:06,596 Speaker 1: the Boudette killing. I thought I got shot at one night, 204 00:14:06,636 --> 00:14:09,996 Speaker 1: but not sure if it was intentional. I just heard 205 00:14:10,036 --> 00:14:15,236 Speaker 1: the bullets fly by. That's interesting he's claiming he was 206 00:14:15,276 --> 00:14:19,116 Speaker 1: nearly a victim of the Canyon shooter. Is this guy 207 00:14:19,196 --> 00:14:21,636 Speaker 1: messing with me? Or is this some kind of clue 208 00:14:21,636 --> 00:14:25,516 Speaker 1: into his psyche. They closed down the park. I heard 209 00:14:25,516 --> 00:14:28,676 Speaker 1: the sheriff's cruiser sirens a lot during the summer. It 210 00:14:28,796 --> 00:14:31,076 Speaker 1: felt like I was being followed when I was hiking 211 00:14:31,116 --> 00:14:34,716 Speaker 1: because I've seen the same automobiles more than once, so 212 00:14:34,796 --> 00:14:38,316 Speaker 1: I don't know the family had a reward for information, 213 00:14:38,396 --> 00:14:42,316 Speaker 1: yet no one had information leading to my arrest. Well 214 00:14:42,436 --> 00:14:44,876 Speaker 1: that's all for now. I hope I've given you some 215 00:14:44,956 --> 00:14:49,076 Speaker 1: confidence in me and something to build on. I don't 216 00:14:49,076 --> 00:14:51,876 Speaker 1: know about confidence, but there is definitely a lot to 217 00:14:51,876 --> 00:14:55,556 Speaker 1: build on. In his letters, a timeline emerges, and with 218 00:14:55,636 --> 00:14:58,516 Speaker 1: it the beginnings of a narrative. A little flash on 219 00:14:58,556 --> 00:15:03,276 Speaker 1: the stick figures bones. He dropped out of school in 220 00:15:03,316 --> 00:15:05,876 Speaker 1: Tampa in twelfth grade and then spent a couple of 221 00:15:05,916 --> 00:15:09,716 Speaker 1: months in the army. The army turned into a bad experience. 222 00:15:10,156 --> 00:15:12,556 Speaker 1: I joined to get away from personal matters, but when 223 00:15:12,556 --> 00:15:15,116 Speaker 1: I got there for basic training, I could not leave 224 00:15:15,116 --> 00:15:18,636 Speaker 1: my personal behind me and I could not adjust mentally. 225 00:15:19,716 --> 00:15:22,956 Speaker 1: I did complete basic training with good grades and returned 226 00:15:22,956 --> 00:15:27,516 Speaker 1: back to Tampa Bay to worse problems. So he hit 227 00:15:27,556 --> 00:15:30,516 Speaker 1: the road. He didn't really work. The only thing he 228 00:15:30,516 --> 00:15:32,516 Speaker 1: says he did was some kind of private eye work 229 00:15:32,556 --> 00:15:36,516 Speaker 1: called skip tracing, essentially looking for people who don't want 230 00:15:36,556 --> 00:15:39,676 Speaker 1: to be found. I am beginning to think he was 231 00:15:39,756 --> 00:15:43,636 Speaker 1: his own hardest case. He left only the faintest impression 232 00:15:43,636 --> 00:15:47,236 Speaker 1: on the world. That is, until Tristan Boudette was killed. 233 00:15:49,476 --> 00:15:51,596 Speaker 1: I didn't meet a lot of people in the mountains 234 00:15:51,836 --> 00:15:55,356 Speaker 1: where I was arrested, and definitely not in my spot. 235 00:15:56,876 --> 00:16:00,076 Speaker 1: The po boxes he lists as addresses on court documents, 236 00:16:00,636 --> 00:16:03,676 Speaker 1: they don't exist, or there's no record that router rented them. 237 00:16:04,396 --> 00:16:07,156 Speaker 1: The library where he says he spent time. When I 238 00:16:07,236 --> 00:16:11,036 Speaker 1: go there, the librarians just look concerned and shake their heads. 239 00:16:11,836 --> 00:16:14,636 Speaker 1: Where I got arrested, there was no tent. I have 240 00:16:14,756 --> 00:16:17,796 Speaker 1: not used tents in years one, so I can travel 241 00:16:17,876 --> 00:16:21,996 Speaker 1: anytime lightly too, so I can learn to survive outdoors 242 00:16:21,996 --> 00:16:25,356 Speaker 1: with as little as possible. As stated, I do not 243 00:16:25,516 --> 00:16:28,316 Speaker 1: know everything that was there, as I traveled and hiked 244 00:16:28,356 --> 00:16:30,956 Speaker 1: when I wanted. I was in that area less than 245 00:16:30,996 --> 00:16:35,156 Speaker 1: a year. The McDonald's, the grocery store, the other places 246 00:16:35,156 --> 00:16:38,156 Speaker 1: with dumpsters he might have picked through. No one's seen him, 247 00:16:39,036 --> 00:16:41,196 Speaker 1: No one except the owner of the sandwich shop, who 248 00:16:41,236 --> 00:16:45,316 Speaker 1: swears Ratto was hanging around last week. Only he's been 249 00:16:45,356 --> 00:16:49,516 Speaker 1: in jail for a year. In my letters, I plead 250 00:16:49,556 --> 00:16:52,716 Speaker 1: with him to come up with just one name. A cousin, 251 00:16:52,956 --> 00:16:57,356 Speaker 1: a teacher, a childhood friend. He does not comply. My 252 00:16:57,476 --> 00:17:00,036 Speaker 1: family has nothing to do with the crimes I'm charged with. 253 00:17:00,156 --> 00:17:03,276 Speaker 1: And know nothing of the things I'd do. But he 254 00:17:03,316 --> 00:17:05,716 Speaker 1: does give me permission to talk to his sister Lisa 255 00:17:06,036 --> 00:17:09,956 Speaker 1: and her husband Jerry, if you do not floyd them. 256 00:17:09,996 --> 00:17:12,716 Speaker 1: I don't mind you talking to them if they want 257 00:17:12,796 --> 00:17:15,796 Speaker 1: to talk to you. But when I tell Jerry that, 258 00:17:16,236 --> 00:17:20,436 Speaker 1: he declines the interview. Anyway. I find a page on 259 00:17:20,476 --> 00:17:23,076 Speaker 1: Facebook devoted to the high school in Tampa that Rawdah 260 00:17:23,116 --> 00:17:26,636 Speaker 1: attended for a while in the nineties. Someone remembers him. 261 00:17:27,236 --> 00:17:29,356 Speaker 1: It's a guy who says he was friends with Rautah 262 00:17:29,476 --> 00:17:33,156 Speaker 1: in eighth, ninth, and tenth grade. I think I'm finally 263 00:17:33,196 --> 00:17:36,636 Speaker 1: going to get it, that one story that crystallizes who 264 00:17:36,716 --> 00:17:41,276 Speaker 1: Anthony Rawda is and makes sense of everything. So I'm 265 00:17:41,276 --> 00:17:44,676 Speaker 1: all excited, and I ask Tony Tucker, the friend, if 266 00:17:44,676 --> 00:17:48,516 Speaker 1: he has any strong memories of Rauta. To be completely honest, 267 00:17:48,596 --> 00:17:55,476 Speaker 1: I mean, I really don't. Hey was normal. Our group 268 00:17:55,476 --> 00:17:57,876 Speaker 1: of friends were very much kind of the sports kids. 269 00:17:57,876 --> 00:18:00,436 Speaker 1: We didn't mind getting dirty, so we were always there 270 00:18:00,436 --> 00:18:02,956 Speaker 1: early in the morning playing basketball before the bell rang. 271 00:18:03,076 --> 00:18:06,796 Speaker 1: And did he party know, have a girlfriend, a nickname, 272 00:18:06,836 --> 00:18:10,196 Speaker 1: a hard time in school? Not really, no, no more 273 00:18:10,196 --> 00:18:13,876 Speaker 1: than anyone else. But he didn't. I mean seemed like 274 00:18:13,916 --> 00:18:17,596 Speaker 1: a normal every day kid to me. Tony lost track 275 00:18:17,636 --> 00:18:20,596 Speaker 1: of him, and he doesn't even really know why Pooh 276 00:18:20,956 --> 00:18:29,076 Speaker 1: Woosh gone. One day after a hearing, Ozzy comes back 277 00:18:29,076 --> 00:18:30,996 Speaker 1: to the office with me and I walk him through 278 00:18:31,036 --> 00:18:34,396 Speaker 1: some documents that have recently been unsealed. He promises me 279 00:18:34,476 --> 00:18:37,956 Speaker 1: that next time he'll do the recorded interview, but that 280 00:18:38,076 --> 00:18:42,556 Speaker 1: court date comes and he ghosts me. A few days later, 281 00:18:42,796 --> 00:18:46,636 Speaker 1: I opened my last letter from Anthony Rowda. I have 282 00:18:46,676 --> 00:18:48,836 Speaker 1: returned from court and I wish to reply to your 283 00:18:48,916 --> 00:18:52,476 Speaker 1: letter out of courtesy. I no longer trust talking to 284 00:18:52,516 --> 00:18:56,196 Speaker 1: you or other media. I cannot condone or forgive you 285 00:18:56,316 --> 00:18:59,956 Speaker 1: or anyone who personally tries to help law enforcement build 286 00:18:59,956 --> 00:19:04,116 Speaker 1: a case against me or harass me. The letter is short, 287 00:19:04,276 --> 00:19:08,356 Speaker 1: just two pages, a bitter, self pitying rant. I'm no 288 00:19:08,436 --> 00:19:12,076 Speaker 1: help to him, actually probably the opposite, So he's not 289 00:19:12,116 --> 00:19:15,436 Speaker 1: going to help me. God, he's the best judge and 290 00:19:15,556 --> 00:19:19,796 Speaker 1: my only friend, the only one I have to answer to. 291 00:19:25,156 --> 00:19:40,476 Speaker 1: Anthony Rawda is done telling me about himself. Another way 292 00:19:40,556 --> 00:19:43,956 Speaker 1: into the mind of Anthony Rowda is through his music. 293 00:19:50,676 --> 00:19:53,476 Speaker 1: Rowda has cut an EP and two full length albums. 294 00:19:53,756 --> 00:19:57,116 Speaker 1: You can find them on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music 295 00:19:57,596 --> 00:20:00,916 Speaker 1: search up his pen names crazy Horse and crazy Horse 296 00:20:00,956 --> 00:20:05,316 Speaker 1: to one that's Crazy with a K. This is a 297 00:20:05,356 --> 00:20:08,716 Speaker 1: song called kill a Pig from his album The Great 298 00:20:08,716 --> 00:20:14,516 Speaker 1: White Liar. Get Ready to get get ready, get set, 299 00:20:14,636 --> 00:20:20,796 Speaker 1: get going. Let's go kill a fucking cop. Liars, sadus, pedophiles, motherfuckers. 300 00:20:21,236 --> 00:20:26,076 Speaker 1: He's going to get them with his nine millimeter. People up, millimeter, 301 00:20:26,156 --> 00:20:28,156 Speaker 1: put the heater straight, typic dome to see him. If 302 00:20:28,196 --> 00:20:30,876 Speaker 1: they don't yet see that, mother fucking eyes from out 303 00:20:30,876 --> 00:20:33,036 Speaker 1: of the head, now they dead behind in the floor 304 00:20:33,076 --> 00:20:35,236 Speaker 1: of blood. To kill a cop must beat the greatest 305 00:20:35,236 --> 00:20:37,236 Speaker 1: feeling in the world. I want to enjoy it over 306 00:20:37,276 --> 00:20:40,756 Speaker 1: and over again. Year. To kill a cop must be 307 00:20:40,796 --> 00:20:43,916 Speaker 1: the greatest feeling in the world. I want to enjoy 308 00:20:43,956 --> 00:20:48,716 Speaker 1: it over and over again. On his album Covers, Routa 309 00:20:48,796 --> 00:20:54,156 Speaker 1: draws a long haired warrior with high cheekbones emaciated, almost skeletal. 310 00:20:55,236 --> 00:20:58,476 Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's Roudah's idea of a Native American. He 311 00:20:58,556 --> 00:21:01,836 Speaker 1: wears a headband that says crazy horse with a K. 312 00:21:03,276 --> 00:21:06,476 Speaker 1: The original Crazy Horse with a C was an Oglala 313 00:21:06,556 --> 00:21:09,876 Speaker 1: Lakota warrior. He painted his cheek with a lightning bolt 314 00:21:09,916 --> 00:21:12,996 Speaker 1: and wore a hawk feather in his hair. People say 315 00:21:12,996 --> 00:21:16,196 Speaker 1: that whenever someone asked to take his picture, crazy Horse 316 00:21:16,236 --> 00:21:27,116 Speaker 1: would respond, would you imprison my shadow? Also this is 317 00:21:27,156 --> 00:21:30,676 Speaker 1: the song fall Guy from Rouda's first album Sometimes They 318 00:21:30,756 --> 00:21:39,996 Speaker 1: Come Back, which he made in twenty thirteen Satellites. As 319 00:21:40,036 --> 00:21:43,676 Speaker 1: best I can make out, the lyrics are paranoia, conspiracy, theory, 320 00:21:43,956 --> 00:21:50,476 Speaker 1: cia Manchurian candidacy, my anxiety, something something on database, satellite 321 00:21:50,476 --> 00:21:53,996 Speaker 1: in space, something something they want to make me the 322 00:21:54,036 --> 00:21:58,436 Speaker 1: fall guy, lise or assholes. Then later look at my 323 00:21:58,436 --> 00:22:01,316 Speaker 1: middle finger. I'm the fall guy middle finger up in 324 00:22:01,316 --> 00:22:10,476 Speaker 1: the sky the same. In one of his letters, Rada 325 00:22:10,516 --> 00:22:13,356 Speaker 1: says he taught himself to use recording software and wrote 326 00:22:13,356 --> 00:22:16,316 Speaker 1: both albums on a laptop. Each one took him about 327 00:22:16,316 --> 00:22:21,556 Speaker 1: a month. I used hotels and sometimes the library, Calabasas 328 00:22:22,236 --> 00:22:25,876 Speaker 1: and any mall with Wi Fi and electrical outlets. The 329 00:22:25,876 --> 00:22:29,556 Speaker 1: themes of both albums center around police and harassment, drinking 330 00:22:29,556 --> 00:22:32,956 Speaker 1: and getting fucked up, and violence, a fair amount of violence, 331 00:22:33,516 --> 00:22:37,356 Speaker 1: avenging himself on cops, women and undefined others out to 332 00:22:37,396 --> 00:22:40,556 Speaker 1: get him. He almost seems to be psyching himself up 333 00:22:40,556 --> 00:22:44,036 Speaker 1: for a confrontation. His music hits on all the gangs 334 00:22:44,036 --> 00:22:46,876 Speaker 1: to rap cliches. But there's something else in there too, 335 00:22:47,356 --> 00:22:51,956 Speaker 1: a worldview, maybe even a cosmology. This is the opening 336 00:22:51,956 --> 00:23:00,116 Speaker 1: track from his album The Great White Liar. He'll be 337 00:23:00,196 --> 00:23:02,876 Speaker 1: others in slaveries, a freedom, a freeze, put the eight 338 00:23:02,956 --> 00:23:06,276 Speaker 1: that grows in the unrooted in justice. He's saying, I'm 339 00:23:06,396 --> 00:23:09,876 Speaker 1: rooted in justice. I murdered the serpent. He grew wings 340 00:23:09,956 --> 00:23:12,796 Speaker 1: like a phoenix. I shot him from the sky, pulled 341 00:23:12,796 --> 00:23:16,276 Speaker 1: out his spine, his true, fake mind. So he found 342 00:23:16,316 --> 00:23:20,716 Speaker 1: it a nation built on lies. It's a glimpse into 343 00:23:20,756 --> 00:23:24,996 Speaker 1: a chaotic mind, the mind of a paranoid, self righteous, 344 00:23:25,516 --> 00:23:42,116 Speaker 1: pissed off mystic. I've been trying to find rowda trace 345 00:23:42,276 --> 00:23:46,716 Speaker 1: his ghostly presence in the world. Didn't anyone know him, 346 00:23:47,356 --> 00:23:52,236 Speaker 1: hadn't anyone seen him? Thinking about the case, it occurs 347 00:23:52,276 --> 00:23:54,876 Speaker 1: to me that there are some people around Malibu who 348 00:23:54,956 --> 00:23:58,596 Speaker 1: do think they saw him on security cameras while he 349 00:23:58,716 --> 00:24:05,156 Speaker 1: was allegedly committing armed burglaries. Which is how I find 350 00:24:05,236 --> 00:24:08,676 Speaker 1: myself with Jim Corcus and Mike McNutt, who worked for 351 00:24:08,716 --> 00:24:16,636 Speaker 1: the local water district. I'll give you my theory. That's Jim. 352 00:24:17,676 --> 00:24:21,396 Speaker 1: We're driving over to the Tapia Water Reclamation facility. It's 353 00:24:21,476 --> 00:24:25,116 Speaker 1: right next to Tapia Park, not far from where Jimmy 354 00:24:25,196 --> 00:24:28,436 Speaker 1: Rogers was shot. So I think he'd been living off 355 00:24:28,516 --> 00:24:32,516 Speaker 1: the coolers in the campsite for all these years, and 356 00:24:32,716 --> 00:24:36,876 Speaker 1: once he shot Tristan, they closed the park and his 357 00:24:37,116 --> 00:24:40,716 Speaker 1: basically his lunchbox was empty at that point because he 358 00:24:40,836 --> 00:24:44,276 Speaker 1: had no source of food, and that's when he got 359 00:24:44,356 --> 00:24:47,996 Speaker 1: desperate to look around. It's here that in the fall 360 00:24:48,036 --> 00:24:51,116 Speaker 1: of twenty eighteen, a man in black was caught on 361 00:24:51,276 --> 00:24:54,396 Speaker 1: camera in the middle of the night. What would you 362 00:24:54,476 --> 00:24:59,036 Speaker 1: normally be looking at on these camerasbcat and pumas. We'll 363 00:24:59,076 --> 00:25:02,236 Speaker 1: say that we did have we did have a We 364 00:25:02,356 --> 00:25:04,836 Speaker 1: do have another patrol in the area. We call it 365 00:25:04,956 --> 00:25:08,156 Speaker 1: the Puma Patrol, or a P fifty four. So we 366 00:25:08,236 --> 00:25:10,476 Speaker 1: had a Mountain Lion and that was like hanging out 367 00:25:10,636 --> 00:25:13,156 Speaker 1: and checking things out, tagged and everything like that. So 368 00:25:14,036 --> 00:25:16,756 Speaker 1: but P. Fifty four is off on those evenings that 369 00:25:17,036 --> 00:25:20,756 Speaker 1: he was here. So they tell me that strange things 370 00:25:20,796 --> 00:25:24,876 Speaker 1: had been happening around the plant. There had been other 371 00:25:25,076 --> 00:25:28,876 Speaker 1: times where employees were noticing that some of their food 372 00:25:29,076 --> 00:25:32,476 Speaker 1: is missing, and so a lot of the employees is saying, Oh, 373 00:25:32,556 --> 00:25:37,716 Speaker 1: it's just somebody eating my lunch or whatever. Right, the 374 00:25:37,836 --> 00:25:41,196 Speaker 1: first break in, he was pretty good. How he got in. 375 00:25:41,956 --> 00:25:45,676 Speaker 1: It was undetected, really, and so he got in and 376 00:25:46,636 --> 00:25:50,196 Speaker 1: he was like stealing chicken sandwiches and everything he took 377 00:25:50,316 --> 00:25:53,036 Speaker 1: was protein based. One of the other things that I 378 00:25:53,276 --> 00:25:54,876 Speaker 1: was told that he was taking a stuff that he 379 00:25:54,956 --> 00:25:57,716 Speaker 1: didn't need to cook. I know for sure. One of 380 00:25:57,796 --> 00:26:03,396 Speaker 1: his favorites was Jimmy Dean's breakfast sausage sandwiches. They reviewed 381 00:26:03,396 --> 00:26:06,516 Speaker 1: the footage from the security camera and that's when they 382 00:26:06,556 --> 00:26:11,116 Speaker 1: saw the man. He looked for battle. Yeah. So he 383 00:26:11,196 --> 00:26:15,996 Speaker 1: had like almost like black camo attire on and tactical gear. Right, 384 00:26:16,276 --> 00:26:18,796 Speaker 1: his boots, you know, his pants were bloused. In his boots, 385 00:26:18,836 --> 00:26:21,476 Speaker 1: he had high you know, boots at half you know, 386 00:26:21,516 --> 00:26:24,996 Speaker 1: halfway up his calf. This is Brett Dingman, a manager 387 00:26:25,076 --> 00:26:28,396 Speaker 1: at the plant. Everything was black. He had a backpack, 388 00:26:28,596 --> 00:26:33,116 Speaker 1: he had a what you called balajava a mask. You know. 389 00:26:33,356 --> 00:26:37,596 Speaker 1: He just looked like almost like military. Jim scrolls through 390 00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:40,676 Speaker 1: his phone and finds the video. It shows a man 391 00:26:40,756 --> 00:26:43,476 Speaker 1: with a headlamp stealthily making his way to the door 392 00:26:43,516 --> 00:26:49,116 Speaker 1: of the plant. It's a creepy video. A few seconds 393 00:26:49,196 --> 00:26:54,716 Speaker 1: that loop over and over, and it's totally captivating. If 394 00:26:54,756 --> 00:26:57,596 Speaker 1: this is Rauta on the tape, it's the closest I'll 395 00:26:57,636 --> 00:27:02,436 Speaker 1: ever get to seeing him in his element, Rauta alone 396 00:27:03,556 --> 00:27:13,476 Speaker 1: in the night, surrounded by woods, scavenging, hunting, surviving, Rauda 397 00:27:13,796 --> 00:27:19,876 Speaker 1: in the wild. Jim slows the video down so I 398 00:27:19,916 --> 00:27:22,556 Speaker 1: can clearly see something sticking out from behind the man. 399 00:27:23,196 --> 00:27:26,356 Speaker 1: So it was it was around slung around his waist 400 00:27:26,436 --> 00:27:29,036 Speaker 1: here with the barrel pointing backwards, okay, And you can 401 00:27:29,076 --> 00:27:33,156 Speaker 1: see that it had a clip in it, which it 402 00:27:33,276 --> 00:27:36,356 Speaker 1: was a nine millimeter. Everybody at the plant knew about 403 00:27:36,356 --> 00:27:38,396 Speaker 1: the murder in the campground and the news of the 404 00:27:38,476 --> 00:27:41,116 Speaker 1: other shootings was spreading. He started going, what's going on. 405 00:27:41,236 --> 00:27:42,636 Speaker 1: There's some nut with a gun out there, and we 406 00:27:42,716 --> 00:27:45,716 Speaker 1: thought about that. But right about you, soon after those 407 00:27:45,756 --> 00:27:47,916 Speaker 1: reports came out, it's when the break in happened here. 408 00:27:48,516 --> 00:27:50,636 Speaker 1: And at first like, oh, something broke in. Then we thought, whoall, 409 00:27:50,636 --> 00:27:53,276 Speaker 1: he's dressed a full stranger breaking in and you see 410 00:27:53,316 --> 00:27:55,916 Speaker 1: the rifle, Oh, this might be the guy, And that 411 00:27:56,036 --> 00:27:59,236 Speaker 1: was right then that's the one that clicked. It clicked 412 00:27:59,316 --> 00:28:03,116 Speaker 1: for law enforcement too. Shortly after this footage was taken. 413 00:28:03,396 --> 00:28:07,196 Speaker 1: The Sheriff's department searched the hills and eventually found Routa 414 00:28:07,636 --> 00:28:12,476 Speaker 1: at his camp. That narrative shootings to murder, to break ins, 415 00:28:12,556 --> 00:28:17,076 Speaker 1: to capture. It follows a certain kind of logic. But 416 00:28:17,356 --> 00:28:21,156 Speaker 1: is it just me? Or is there something contradictory about 417 00:28:21,156 --> 00:28:23,756 Speaker 1: the idea of a person stealing food in the middle 418 00:28:23,756 --> 00:28:29,676 Speaker 1: of the night and also shooting people at random. It's 419 00:28:29,676 --> 00:28:36,436 Speaker 1: a crime of survival versus totally gratuitous violence, calculated opportunism 420 00:28:37,516 --> 00:29:09,676 Speaker 1: right up against outright depravity. Anthony Rowda's music is really visceral. 421 00:29:10,836 --> 00:29:14,676 Speaker 1: Take kill a pig. It talks about wanting to creep 422 00:29:14,796 --> 00:29:17,436 Speaker 1: up on him with a nine millimeter put the heater 423 00:29:17,636 --> 00:29:20,676 Speaker 1: straight to the dome, see the CoP's eyes pop out 424 00:29:20,716 --> 00:29:23,196 Speaker 1: of his head, and watch him die in a pool 425 00:29:23,236 --> 00:29:29,476 Speaker 1: of blood. It's strong stuff. You can't condemn someone on 426 00:29:29,516 --> 00:29:32,276 Speaker 1: their lyrics. But I've got to wonder what was going 427 00:29:32,356 --> 00:29:36,556 Speaker 1: on with Rowda and the cops. So I turned to 428 00:29:36,596 --> 00:29:40,316 Speaker 1: the court documents, old cases with hundreds and hundreds of 429 00:29:40,396 --> 00:29:44,676 Speaker 1: pages of handwritten filings by Anthony Rowda. He seems to 430 00:29:44,756 --> 00:29:49,036 Speaker 1: prefer to represent himself. There are also many, many pages 431 00:29:49,076 --> 00:29:53,356 Speaker 1: of case narratives, evidence logs, statements from law enforcement, witness testimony, 432 00:29:53,916 --> 00:29:57,756 Speaker 1: a lot to wade through. I learned that Rowdah's trouble 433 00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:00,196 Speaker 1: with the law started in his teens, back when he 434 00:30:00,316 --> 00:30:03,636 Speaker 1: was in Florida, but his problems really begin in the 435 00:30:03,716 --> 00:30:06,596 Speaker 1: early two thousands, when he started hanging out in and 436 00:30:06,676 --> 00:30:13,716 Speaker 1: around Malibu. First, it was pretty small time, unambitious. Two 437 00:30:13,796 --> 00:30:16,356 Speaker 1: thousand and three, he breaks into a high school ten 438 00:30:16,436 --> 00:30:20,916 Speaker 1: miles from Alubuqreek State Park, just outside Lost Hill's jurisdiction. 439 00:30:21,956 --> 00:30:25,236 Speaker 1: He sets a fire. The break in is a felony, 440 00:30:25,436 --> 00:30:27,236 Speaker 1: and he gets one hundred and eighty days in jail, 441 00:30:27,436 --> 00:30:31,556 Speaker 1: three years probation and counseling. He's ordered to pay three 442 00:30:31,596 --> 00:30:35,236 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in restitution to the Coca Cola company, which 443 00:30:35,316 --> 00:30:38,956 Speaker 1: sounds to me like he busted a vending machine. That 444 00:30:39,116 --> 00:30:42,156 Speaker 1: reminds me of the burglaries he's charged with now. That 445 00:30:42,396 --> 00:30:46,556 Speaker 1: vending machine he allegedly smashed open with a rock. The 446 00:30:46,676 --> 00:30:51,036 Speaker 1: next case is a bigger deal. This time Rod is 447 00:30:51,116 --> 00:30:53,756 Speaker 1: arrested during a warrant sweep at a sleazy motel in 448 00:30:53,876 --> 00:30:58,156 Speaker 1: North Hollywood. In his motel room, the arresting officer's notice 449 00:30:58,196 --> 00:31:02,076 Speaker 1: a fuse like for explosives sticking out of his black backpack. 450 00:31:03,396 --> 00:31:06,396 Speaker 1: The bomb squad searches Ozzie's house and the house in 451 00:31:06,476 --> 00:31:09,316 Speaker 1: the valley where Anthony's sister Lisa and her husban when 452 00:31:09,396 --> 00:31:14,396 Speaker 1: Jerry live. They find a bunch of contraband. Routa apparently 453 00:31:14,596 --> 00:31:18,716 Speaker 1: has ordered three shipments of gunpowder. One of the shipments 454 00:31:18,996 --> 00:31:23,916 Speaker 1: is four pounds. They also confiscate two old fashioned guns, 455 00:31:24,516 --> 00:31:27,396 Speaker 1: a forty four black powder revolver and a four to 456 00:31:27,516 --> 00:31:33,396 Speaker 1: fifty one double barrel derringer handgun. I have to dig 457 00:31:33,476 --> 00:31:37,836 Speaker 1: into this a little more black powdered guns. It seems 458 00:31:37,876 --> 00:31:40,036 Speaker 1: like an odd choice for a guy with gangs to 459 00:31:40,116 --> 00:31:49,156 Speaker 1: wrap aspirations. I call up Greg Block, a firearms trainer, 460 00:31:49,236 --> 00:31:53,236 Speaker 1: an expert witness who testifies in court about guns all 461 00:31:53,316 --> 00:31:56,676 Speaker 1: the time. So these are guns that were used during 462 00:31:56,756 --> 00:32:01,476 Speaker 1: the Civil War and the Revolution where we didn't have 463 00:32:01,676 --> 00:32:07,076 Speaker 1: cartridge firing guns. They're muzzle loaders, which means you pour 464 00:32:07,196 --> 00:32:11,316 Speaker 1: gunpowder directly into the guns mouth, hence the four plus 465 00:32:11,396 --> 00:32:15,316 Speaker 1: pounds of it. They're basically what John Wilkes Booth used 466 00:32:15,436 --> 00:32:20,196 Speaker 1: to assassinate President Lincoln. They're often referred to as antique guns. 467 00:32:20,716 --> 00:32:25,756 Speaker 1: But really they're replicas of obsolete technology. Well, you know, 468 00:32:25,876 --> 00:32:28,996 Speaker 1: they make toy guns, they make prop guns, and then 469 00:32:29,036 --> 00:32:33,276 Speaker 1: they have replicas which are exact copies of the original firearms. 470 00:32:33,716 --> 00:32:36,516 Speaker 1: Those are a couple hundred dollars. I want to know 471 00:32:36,636 --> 00:32:39,876 Speaker 1: who the audience is for weapons like these. Maybe it'll 472 00:32:39,916 --> 00:32:44,036 Speaker 1: give me some insight into Rauta. Well, people that feel 473 00:32:44,116 --> 00:32:47,836 Speaker 1: that they were born in the wrong century. I mean 474 00:32:47,916 --> 00:32:51,116 Speaker 1: they will dress up in period costumes and they'll have 475 00:32:51,316 --> 00:32:55,396 Speaker 1: competitions and matches and shoot this. Other people that like 476 00:32:55,636 --> 00:33:00,196 Speaker 1: the Old West or the seventeen hundreds. Because these replicas 477 00:33:00,236 --> 00:33:03,116 Speaker 1: are so inexpensive, they'll buy him and we call them 478 00:33:03,196 --> 00:33:06,556 Speaker 1: wall hangers. They'll hang them on the wall above the fireplace. 479 00:33:06,716 --> 00:33:09,916 Speaker 1: They look kind of cool. That doesn't sound like Routa 480 00:33:09,956 --> 00:33:13,116 Speaker 1: to me. He wasn't decorating his fishing cabin or re 481 00:33:13,276 --> 00:33:17,236 Speaker 1: enacting shootouts at the OK Corral. But Gregg tells me 482 00:33:17,516 --> 00:33:21,196 Speaker 1: there's another category of antique gun buyer, people who buy 483 00:33:21,236 --> 00:33:24,996 Speaker 1: them because they're easier to get than other guns. That 484 00:33:25,356 --> 00:33:29,156 Speaker 1: sounds like Routa, a convicted felon, someone who couldn't pass 485 00:33:29,236 --> 00:33:32,636 Speaker 1: a background check. You can order them on the internet 486 00:33:32,716 --> 00:33:35,316 Speaker 1: and they can ship them to your house because they're 487 00:33:35,476 --> 00:33:39,956 Speaker 1: antique firearms. The black Petter guns, the explosives, and the 488 00:33:40,076 --> 00:33:44,036 Speaker 1: fuse land route. In prison, he parols out and in 489 00:33:44,116 --> 00:33:47,036 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, he gets arrested by a Lost Hills deputy 490 00:33:47,356 --> 00:33:50,956 Speaker 1: in the parking lot of an upscale suburban mall. It's 491 00:33:50,996 --> 00:33:53,236 Speaker 1: a DUI, which doesn't sound like that big a deal, 492 00:33:54,116 --> 00:33:56,236 Speaker 1: but in the trunk of the car there's a box 493 00:33:56,316 --> 00:34:00,436 Speaker 1: of ammunition, the kind that fits an R fifteen. I 494 00:34:00,556 --> 00:34:04,796 Speaker 1: track down the deputy. I ask if he remembers Routa. Oh, 495 00:34:04,956 --> 00:34:10,236 Speaker 1: he remembers him. The guy threatened his life. Routa represents 496 00:34:10,316 --> 00:34:13,196 Speaker 1: himself in court and is sentenced to sixteen months in 497 00:34:13,276 --> 00:34:16,596 Speaker 1: county jail for the ammunition. He's supposed to complete an 498 00:34:16,636 --> 00:34:21,116 Speaker 1: alcohol rehab program, but doesn't. When a judge leader asks 499 00:34:21,196 --> 00:34:24,836 Speaker 1: him about that, he says, I'm going to go. I 500 00:34:24,996 --> 00:34:27,636 Speaker 1: was making a date for my therapy. This is from 501 00:34:27,676 --> 00:34:30,436 Speaker 1: a court transcript. I'm just going to go through counseling 502 00:34:30,516 --> 00:34:32,556 Speaker 1: and try to get a residence and you know, try 503 00:34:32,596 --> 00:34:35,196 Speaker 1: to get my health better. That's really what I'm trying 504 00:34:35,236 --> 00:34:37,516 Speaker 1: to do. I should have went to the classes, but 505 00:34:37,556 --> 00:34:40,156 Speaker 1: they were a little rough for me. I can't stand 506 00:34:40,236 --> 00:34:42,916 Speaker 1: being around people. I didn't tell you that last time 507 00:34:42,956 --> 00:34:46,036 Speaker 1: because it's irrelevant. But basically, I'm going to try and 508 00:34:46,076 --> 00:34:48,556 Speaker 1: do counseling and stay on SSI if they'll have me, 509 00:34:49,156 --> 00:34:51,276 Speaker 1: try to get a residence and get my health back up. 510 00:34:52,716 --> 00:34:55,516 Speaker 1: The incident that sends Routa back to prison in twenty 511 00:34:55,796 --> 00:35:00,356 Speaker 1: fourteen is a weird one. It takes place outside of 512 00:35:00,436 --> 00:35:03,036 Speaker 1: high school, about a ten minute drive from Malibu Creek 513 00:35:03,076 --> 00:35:06,556 Speaker 1: State Park. A jogger sees someone passed out in the 514 00:35:06,636 --> 00:35:10,196 Speaker 1: bushes by the school. It's rout Up, dressed head to 515 00:35:10,276 --> 00:35:15,596 Speaker 1: toe in black. Inside his backpack deputies fine gloves, a 516 00:35:15,716 --> 00:35:19,196 Speaker 1: camouflage mask and a headlamp. There's a post it containing 517 00:35:19,276 --> 00:35:23,516 Speaker 1: bank account information and routing numbers, also some forty four 518 00:35:23,596 --> 00:35:27,876 Speaker 1: ball ammunition and wrapped in a bandana, a wood handled 519 00:35:27,996 --> 00:35:32,836 Speaker 1: black powder gun. What exactly was he up to? Was 520 00:35:32,956 --> 00:35:37,076 Speaker 1: he planning burglaries, identity theft? Dressing up as a bad 521 00:35:37,116 --> 00:35:41,396 Speaker 1: guy for Halloween. He spends another two years in prison, 522 00:35:42,036 --> 00:35:44,476 Speaker 1: and when he gets out, he makes a vow to 523 00:35:44,676 --> 00:35:48,596 Speaker 1: change his life. When I got released from prison in 524 00:35:48,676 --> 00:35:51,716 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, I made a promise to live without welfare 525 00:35:52,436 --> 00:35:56,356 Speaker 1: SSI or handouts. This is from one of Router's letters 526 00:35:56,436 --> 00:35:59,276 Speaker 1: to me. I wanted to do solely on my own 527 00:35:59,356 --> 00:36:02,756 Speaker 1: knowledge of survival, to prove something to myself and maybe 528 00:36:02,876 --> 00:36:07,356 Speaker 1: right about it. He says. Avoiding people, a specially law enforcement, 529 00:36:07,596 --> 00:36:11,516 Speaker 1: became his number one priority. In another letter, he wrote, 530 00:36:12,356 --> 00:36:14,796 Speaker 1: I worried every time I left the wilderness, as the 531 00:36:14,876 --> 00:36:17,836 Speaker 1: sheriffs would usually try to stop and question me and 532 00:36:17,956 --> 00:36:21,716 Speaker 1: my being around such exclusive neighborhoods. I did not want 533 00:36:21,756 --> 00:36:25,956 Speaker 1: to get questioned as to my probation. When I was 534 00:36:26,036 --> 00:36:28,236 Speaker 1: alone in the wilderness, I did not have a lot 535 00:36:28,316 --> 00:36:32,076 Speaker 1: of contact with people, news, etc. I did not want 536 00:36:32,076 --> 00:36:36,636 Speaker 1: any contact, and I do not enjoy any current television, movies, music, etc. 537 00:36:37,956 --> 00:36:40,316 Speaker 1: The most important thing out there was to have shelter 538 00:36:41,076 --> 00:36:46,196 Speaker 1: and a two week weather forecast. In October twenty sixteen, 539 00:36:46,476 --> 00:36:50,276 Speaker 1: Routa makes his last contact with his probation officer, and 540 00:36:50,396 --> 00:36:54,316 Speaker 1: a couple weeks later, allegedly he shoots Jimmy Rogers as 541 00:36:54,356 --> 00:36:57,036 Speaker 1: he sleeps in a hammock in Malibu Creek State Park. 542 00:37:03,356 --> 00:37:06,996 Speaker 1: The charges route is facing now murder and attempted murder 543 00:37:07,556 --> 00:37:10,516 Speaker 1: mark a break with everything I learned about his criminal past. 544 00:37:11,316 --> 00:37:16,356 Speaker 1: He's been troublesome, antisocial, volatile, messed up, He went down 545 00:37:16,436 --> 00:37:20,356 Speaker 1: some creepy roads, got into some obscure weapons. He was 546 00:37:20,516 --> 00:37:26,436 Speaker 1: potentially but not actually violent. Shooting Jimmy Rogers is the 547 00:37:26,556 --> 00:37:29,236 Speaker 1: first time that I know of that Route has been 548 00:37:29,236 --> 00:37:32,996 Speaker 1: accused of physically hurting a stranger out of the blue. 549 00:37:38,396 --> 00:37:41,716 Speaker 1: The accusation is that he intended to kill Jimmy Rogers, 550 00:37:42,396 --> 00:37:45,316 Speaker 1: and that after shooting him, he tried over and over 551 00:37:45,516 --> 00:37:48,876 Speaker 1: to inflict deadly harm, and that in the case of 552 00:37:48,956 --> 00:37:55,436 Speaker 1: Tristan Bodet, he succeeded. It doesn't really make sense, does it. 553 00:37:56,796 --> 00:37:59,836 Speaker 1: But reading back through Routah's court filings, I realize there's 554 00:37:59,836 --> 00:38:03,236 Speaker 1: an incident he refers to repeatedly with a lot of bitterness. 555 00:38:04,436 --> 00:38:06,396 Speaker 1: He's been trying to get someone to pay attention to 556 00:38:06,476 --> 00:38:09,996 Speaker 1: this for years. It was a run in with some 557 00:38:10,116 --> 00:38:13,756 Speaker 1: Lost Hills cops. Way back in two thousand and four, 558 00:38:16,156 --> 00:38:19,636 Speaker 1: Lost Hills Sheriff deputies responded to a public disturbance call 559 00:38:19,676 --> 00:38:24,116 Speaker 1: at Padre's restaurant at Agra Road and Cornell Road. This 560 00:38:24,316 --> 00:38:26,916 Speaker 1: is what Rowda says in a filing he made about 561 00:38:26,956 --> 00:38:30,396 Speaker 1: the incident. I was stopped on a dark street as 562 00:38:30,396 --> 00:38:33,876 Speaker 1: a suspect, though I am innocent. When I attempted to 563 00:38:33,956 --> 00:38:37,396 Speaker 1: plead with the deputy, others arrived surrounding me, while one 564 00:38:37,556 --> 00:38:40,556 Speaker 1: higher ranked deputy attempted to choke me till the arresting 565 00:38:40,596 --> 00:38:47,556 Speaker 1: officer asked him to halt. This could be the thing 566 00:38:47,636 --> 00:38:51,156 Speaker 1: that propels the whole bizarre machinery of Routah's criminal life 567 00:38:52,236 --> 00:38:57,956 Speaker 1: takes it to the next level. This incident, Rowda says, 568 00:38:58,476 --> 00:39:03,996 Speaker 1: caused him to get a gun for self protection against 569 00:39:04,196 --> 00:39:14,716 Speaker 1: the Lost Hills cops. It might even explain how Rowda 570 00:39:14,796 --> 00:39:18,916 Speaker 1: got to be where he is right now, facing by 571 00:39:19,076 --> 00:39:23,196 Speaker 1: far the most serious charges of his life. It's not 572 00:39:23,316 --> 00:39:26,916 Speaker 1: a straight line by any stretch, from that alleged assault 573 00:39:26,956 --> 00:39:30,196 Speaker 1: to where he is today, but I can see a connection. 574 00:39:31,316 --> 00:39:35,236 Speaker 1: It's like a process got set in motion. Rouda in trouble. 575 00:39:35,996 --> 00:39:43,916 Speaker 1: Rowdah uncooperative, imprisoned, hurt, deteriorating, and possibly wanting some kind 576 00:39:43,956 --> 00:39:48,516 Speaker 1: of revenge. He isn't too good with authority, his dad 577 00:39:48,596 --> 00:39:52,516 Speaker 1: told me, and his experiences in custody and in court, 578 00:39:53,916 --> 00:40:00,676 Speaker 1: it seems like they just drove the splinter deeper. Anthony 579 00:40:00,796 --> 00:40:03,676 Speaker 1: Rowda didn't know Tristan Bodat or any of the near 580 00:40:03,716 --> 00:40:07,996 Speaker 1: miss victims, but everyone knows who would respond to a 581 00:40:08,116 --> 00:40:12,196 Speaker 1: murder in the park Are the Lost Hills cops? Somehow 582 00:40:12,356 --> 00:40:17,716 Speaker 1: part of this could it, on some level be about them? 583 00:40:22,196 --> 00:40:26,836 Speaker 1: If only I could get inside Lost Hills Station, I 584 00:40:26,916 --> 00:40:58,876 Speaker 1: could figure all this out. Lost Hills is written and 585 00:40:58,996 --> 00:41:02,876 Speaker 1: hosted by me Dana Goodyear. It's produced by Western Sound 586 00:41:03,036 --> 00:41:07,396 Speaker 1: and Pushkin Industries. For more information about my investigation, follow 587 00:41:07,636 --> 00:41:12,796 Speaker 1: at Lost Hills Pod on social media. Up next episode six, 588 00:41:13,556 --> 00:41:15,196 Speaker 1: Another Day in Paradise,