WEBVTT - Michael & Danielle Are in Love! 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back Happy Hour listeners. I'm one of your co hosts,

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<v Speaker 1>Becky Koufern, and I am your guest co host for

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<v Speaker 1>the day, Serena Pitt. Yeah, it's so good to see

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<v Speaker 1>your face again. So good to have you back on

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Hour. It's always a pleasure when you're around. But

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<v Speaker 1>we are so excited to be back with you this

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<v Speaker 1>week to talk all about how life has been after

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<v Speaker 1>Paradise for the two cute love birds, Michael and Danielle.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so excited that they are guests today. We

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<v Speaker 1>have so many questions for them after the reunion, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't wait to hear how they're doing life

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<v Speaker 1>beyond Paradise. You know, those trips to the grocery store,

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<v Speaker 1>date night at the restaurant, all the little things that

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<v Speaker 1>all the couples look forward to once the season ends.

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<v Speaker 1>Just being able to walk down the street holding hands

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<v Speaker 1>in public, and no one understands it better than you. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>you and Joel lived this last year. You are now

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<v Speaker 1>happily married, which I'm so I think this is the

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<v Speaker 1>first time I've seen you since you've visually tied the knot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is. That's crazy. We had Joe on

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks ago to give his side of things.

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<v Speaker 1>But how have you been, how's married life treating you

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<v Speaker 1>anything new or different? I've been good. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>everything in my life feels the same, you know everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone said to me, I think it was Chelsea the

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<v Speaker 1>other day, was like, it's like on your birthday and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's like, do you feel different because you're a whole

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<v Speaker 1>year older, and it's like, I feel the same. Our

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<v Speaker 1>relationship feels the same. But it definitely was very spontaneous

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<v Speaker 1>and exciting, and I'm definitely still getting used to calling

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<v Speaker 1>him my husband. That still feels and sounds so weird

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<v Speaker 1>to me. But yeah, it's been It's been good, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're still busy wedding planning, which backup, I'm sure you

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<v Speaker 1>can relate to the stresses of that. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>do I ever? Well? You and I had a separate

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<v Speaker 1>little tex threat happening a few weeks ago, and we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about wedding and planning. It is crazy, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure some women and men, I'm sure just some

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<v Speaker 1>couples in general love wedding planning. I for one, find

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<v Speaker 1>it just so stressful, so anxiety. You're written I mean

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<v Speaker 1>like you and Joe did it right. Honestly, going to

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<v Speaker 1>the courthouse and just having to be the two of

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<v Speaker 1>you in this like very intimate, private ceremony, like very

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<v Speaker 1>secret I think was so smart. Yeah, we have no

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<v Speaker 1>regrets on the way we did it. I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 1>still obviously having the wedding, but it definitely takes some

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<v Speaker 1>of I don't want to say the pressure off, because

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like the pressure of planning a wedding's like

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<v Speaker 1>the actual marriage component, but it's just like, all right, check,

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<v Speaker 1>we're married, and now we can just deal with like

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<v Speaker 1>the fun of celebrating that with our family and friends.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, I feel like it's one of those things

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<v Speaker 1>like you just don't know until you get into wedding planning,

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<v Speaker 1>like how many components there are. It's just a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's both fun but also very overwhelming and stressful

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. So overwhelming you're probably gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>it once, so we're trying to enjoy it. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like you're telling myself. It's like it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>one in John. Yeah, one more thing, I know. We

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<v Speaker 1>had to bring Michael and Danielle on very soon. One

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<v Speaker 1>more thing. I wanted to ask you, though, have you

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<v Speaker 1>started wedding tresh shopping? Actually I got my wedding dress.

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<v Speaker 1>You did, Oh gosh? I from a shop in New York. No.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went home for a few days to Toronto

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<v Speaker 1>after we spent us Thanksgiving with Josilm in Chicago, and

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that I wanted to do shopping with like

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<v Speaker 1>my mom, my sister, my dad. Wanted to come by

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<v Speaker 1>and see a few like some friends. When I was home,

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<v Speaker 1>and the first store I went into because our wedding

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<v Speaker 1>is early September, they were like, you need to get

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<v Speaker 1>your dress, Like, you need to get your dress. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>but like it takes six to eight months to order

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<v Speaker 1>a dress, plus like two months for alterations is like

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<v Speaker 1>the realcy timeline. So it kind of worked out because

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<v Speaker 1>I already in two appointments booked. I'm pretty like decisive

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<v Speaker 1>and was like I went to one, I went to

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<v Speaker 1>the next, and I got my dress at the second one,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm obsessed with it and I'm very relieved that

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<v Speaker 1>that decision's done. So yeah, look at you. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely want to get more details. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to share everything and like, get it on, blasts, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>jump in our wedding fighting chatling. Yes, okay, definitely sounds good. Um, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I love just chatting with you. But of course we

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<v Speaker 1>do have our guests of the hour, Michael end and Yell.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's just time to bring them on. Everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>please welcome them to Bachelor Happy Hour. Well, welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Hour you too, It's so good to see you

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<v Speaker 1>side by side. Finally, Michael, it was a short time

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<v Speaker 1>ago that we had just you Unhappy Hour, and I

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<v Speaker 1>knew I had a feeling. I didn't know any spoilers,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was like, I think we're going to see

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<v Speaker 1>him back very soon. And so Danielle welcome. I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is your first time Unhappy Hour. Correct, yeah, my

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<v Speaker 1>first time on Happy Hour. He's our first chance to

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<v Speaker 1>actually get to talk. I need Serena well FaceTime. And

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's at Wells is wedding with both of you. He's

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<v Speaker 1>in that photo where you tour next to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>I like zoom in on Joe and it's like Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>yeall Michael, and like Joe's head in between them. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, that's so that's so funny. Serena real quick.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a photo booth that Wells's wedding, and since

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<v Speaker 1>you were sick and you didn't actually go, Joe took

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of like photos in the photo booth by

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<v Speaker 1>himself and I actually I actually picked one up and

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<v Speaker 1>I have one in my bedroom, not like on my nightstand,

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<v Speaker 1>like with a bunch of other polar fights. I raved

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<v Speaker 1>next to the bed. That is like, God, just like,

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<v Speaker 1>who's the real person in your life? It's true? Yeah, Joe,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I saw it. I mean I saw

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<v Speaker 1>the pictures from Wells and Sarah's wedding, and so you

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<v Speaker 1>both had obviously at that point already filmed Paradise. You

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<v Speaker 1>were together, you weren't technically supposed to be seen, but

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<v Speaker 1>like you're not going to say no to your friend's wedding, right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>but you weren't each other's plus months correct, like you

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<v Speaker 1>know he was Wells. Wells texted me and he goes, so, Danny,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to plus one? And I'm like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you know who I'm gonna bring? Huh. He's like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like is that okay? Like are you

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have a ton of press there? What's the deal?

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<v Speaker 1>He's like no, no, no, no, no, no press, no

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<v Speaker 1>cell phones. You just have to like we're just bringing

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<v Speaker 1>the photos to like Vogue and like they're the only

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<v Speaker 1>ones that are gonna post it. You got no big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, okay, well, yeah, I want to bring

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<v Speaker 1>Michael do you away? And then if anyone's calling you

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<v Speaker 1>being like what are you guys doing, it's like talk

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<v Speaker 1>to Wells. He told us we could do this. He

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<v Speaker 1>told me it was okay. He's the breaker. Yeah. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we obviously were so excited to finally be in public

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<v Speaker 1>and everything, especially at that venue. It was the most

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful wedding I've ever seen, and it just felt really

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<v Speaker 1>really warm, and to see Danny and her element. I

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<v Speaker 1>got to meet tons of her friends that weekend. She

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<v Speaker 1>hangs out with just this extraordinary group of people. I

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<v Speaker 1>always talk about this, and it was just the great weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess, if your relationships going to be spoiled,

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<v Speaker 1>it's glad it's in Vogue. Yeah, definitely. No. I was

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<v Speaker 1>actually just as like, oh damn, Like I wish Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>and I would have been able to go to some

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<v Speaker 1>of his friend's weddings last summer. So you guys definitely

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<v Speaker 1>looked out. It looked like the wedding to be at.

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<v Speaker 1>Like when you say it was beautiful, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>that winery, it's absolutely stunning. Okay, well, so god, we

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<v Speaker 1>have so many questions. I don't know where to get

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just take it back to last week because that

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<v Speaker 1>was obviously Thanksgiving. It was the first holiday that you

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<v Speaker 1>could really spend. Did you spend it together? We did. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I went up to Ohio and spent it with Michael

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<v Speaker 1>and James and his family and got to meet his

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<v Speaker 1>sister for the first time. I'm obsessed with her. We

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<v Speaker 1>already or laughing about Michael behind his back. It's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Let it again. So how does that because I know

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<v Speaker 1>with Joe and I we don't have family in the

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<v Speaker 1>same place similar to you guys. I'm from Toronto, he's

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<v Speaker 1>from Chicago. So how are you guys kind of navigating

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<v Speaker 1>that like long distance families in different cities things for

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<v Speaker 1>both Thanksgiving and then we have Christmas coming up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's I mean, it's a it's a work in progress

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<v Speaker 1>that we just we were talking about how are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to handle Christmas? And the first thing was, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get through Thanksgiving. I love, you know, getting to be

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<v Speaker 1>around family around those times, and it's difficult traveling with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, James and everything. And Danny's parents have a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful home in the north Woods of Wisconsin and it's

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<v Speaker 1>an eleven hour drive. So essentially, what's happening for Christmas? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do you guys want to do that? Good? I never

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<v Speaker 1>want at home with James, you, um, And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll we're gonna have Christmas at my place with my

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<v Speaker 1>parents and family, and then I think, what two days later,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna drive up to Wisconsin. Yeah, so like the

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty eighth, twenty nights something like that, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do that, um with my family. We're gonna go to

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago for New Year's Eve and oh we will see

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<v Speaker 1>you guys there. We might be there too. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be in Chicago for um, for Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>and potentially through Thanksgiving. So so definitely message us through

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<v Speaker 1>you're going back where its time machines. Yeah. I was

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<v Speaker 1>like I thought, Canada, Yeah, and I will I will

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<v Speaker 1>say this too. Um. This was like a really emotional

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<v Speaker 1>holiday for both Danny and I. It's been forever since

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<v Speaker 1>we've actually had someone this next too, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>you know, after everything that's happened to us. Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>know you constantly kind of feel like a not a

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<v Speaker 1>third wheel, but you have a piece that's actually missing.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was really fulfilling and felt extremely warm for

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<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving this year to be able to celebrate it with

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<v Speaker 1>her and just everything that we have been through, um,

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<v Speaker 1>not just in our past, but on the show and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of growing as a couple outside of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the limelight and all of that. My family adores her,

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<v Speaker 1>which I knew I knew they would, um, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the reasons why it's working out. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's always a bonus too. Okay, Okay, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this. So it's been a few weeks now

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<v Speaker 1>since the Paradise finale has aired. UM, I want to know,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, has the dust like kind of finally

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<v Speaker 1>settled for you both? Uh? Yeah, it's been really nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're just kind of like, okay, let's focus on

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<v Speaker 1>getting moved and like the next step and just really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying each other being able to share that joy with

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<v Speaker 1>like patients that come in and see me and they're like, God,

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<v Speaker 1>you look so happy, and like I've been happy, but

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<v Speaker 1>now we can finally talk about it, you know, right yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>say his name to your friends and be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my boyfriend, right, yeah, exactly. And it feels

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like it's been a while since I've had

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know, like this optimistic view of

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<v Speaker 1>the future, like things are settling in, like I know

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<v Speaker 1>who I'm want to spend you know, my life with

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<v Speaker 1>and begin building again versus versus. It was always, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>something looming or hanging in the future, whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>it was you know, Paradise or you know, being on

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<v Speaker 1>katiecas And I think a lot of people don't recognize, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how much being on this show puts your

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<v Speaker 1>life on hold. And when I was you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight, you know, times ticking, and that was that

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<v Speaker 1>was really difficult, especially when you're so focused on progress

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to figure everything out. But I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 1>I went down this path. It's just like this roadless traveled,

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<v Speaker 1>and it led to something just so beautiful. Oh that

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean it's been no easy road for

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<v Speaker 1>for anybody. There so much that goes into it. And

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<v Speaker 1>by no means are we victims like, we're very lucky

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<v Speaker 1>to be a part of this experience, but it does

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<v Speaker 1>take its toll, and it's it feels good that it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't all for nothing. Yeah. I remember watching our Paradise

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<v Speaker 1>finale because we didn't have a reunion, so it ended

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<v Speaker 1>with like the engagements and whatnotum and just feeling like

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<v Speaker 1>a weight lift off my shoulders. Like it was a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of relief that I've never experienced before. Um. But

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<v Speaker 1>I know for for Joe and I and you guys

0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:33.439
<v Speaker 1>are in a similar situation. Joe had been on the

0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.040
<v Speaker 1>show a few years back. He'd done you know, Becky

0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:42.000
<v Speaker 1>season of The Bachelor. I n if I looked up

0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.000
<v Speaker 1>and seeing who he was season he was on the

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<v Speaker 1>other day, Like yeah, yeah, but he did he did

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<v Speaker 1>Bachelorette Ish and then Paradise and then came back to Paradise,

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<v Speaker 1>So when we left, he was kind of familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>navigating what that was. Like. Has that kind of helped

0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.200
<v Speaker 1>you guys, Like Michael, have you kind of leaned on

0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Danny in that way of like how does this work?

0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Like how should we handle this? Or has it just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of felt like new territory for both of you together?

0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean for me, I guess if I'm comparing it

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<v Speaker 1>to when I got off Katie's season, you know, you

0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:23.400
<v Speaker 1>go from nobody ever having an opinion about you outside

0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:27.880
<v Speaker 1>of your immediate friends and family, to this tidal wave

0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.840
<v Speaker 1>of public opinion and you're not really sure how to

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<v Speaker 1>handle it, Like you become glued to your phone, You're

0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.560
<v Speaker 1>checking things, what do people think about me? This time around,

0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:43.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't focus on any of that. I think it

0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:48.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe because I was happy, you know, like I knew

0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.800
<v Speaker 1>I had somebody at the end of this, and I

0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.760
<v Speaker 1>was kind of more focused in the moment than really

0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:00.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out what's what's strangers pain of me

0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.760
<v Speaker 1>or us were and it's it's great to have somebody

0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.280
<v Speaker 1>that you can lean on. Mhm. For sure. The social

0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.800
<v Speaker 1>media escape has changed a lot since I was on

0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:15.720
<v Speaker 1>the show, so it's got a little meaner, a little wilder. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's yeah. Yeah. What has been your favorite thing, big

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<v Speaker 1>or small that you've been able to do together since

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<v Speaker 1>everything is aired and now that you were finally public,

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<v Speaker 1>Like Serena and I have talked about this, but like

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite things was just going grocery shopping

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<v Speaker 1>to talk. Yes, That's what I was gonna say. So little,

0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:42.160
<v Speaker 1>but so special, so special and also so necessary too.

0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.440
<v Speaker 1>You need to gil grocery shopping. Yes, we we we

0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.760
<v Speaker 1>love we love cooking, and we forget something and we

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<v Speaker 1>would be like, Okay, who's putting the wig on or

0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.760
<v Speaker 1>who's staying in the car, and it's like we just

0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:00.880
<v Speaker 1>need to grab something real quick. Yeah, just one thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the first time we actually did that, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I'd forgotten something for pumpkin pie or whatever, and we've

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<v Speaker 1>got like James wanted to be in that like um,

0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:14.040
<v Speaker 1>one of those like car grocery car car, and We're

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, and we're going through and I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, we're in public, Like we're doing this

0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:24.600
<v Speaker 1>together right now. This is this is amazing. You guys,

0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.520
<v Speaker 1>like do it together? Were you like on one side

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<v Speaker 1>of the grocery store, like if you'd pass you give

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<v Speaker 1>a little wave? Did you split up at all? I

0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:35.920
<v Speaker 1>mean it's pretty much altogether. Yeah, yeah, did it together.

0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:40.480
<v Speaker 1>So it's been real exciting. Let me tell you, grocery

0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I went to movies and dinner, and I mean, Wells's

0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:53.840
<v Speaker 1>wedding was obviously a highlight. What's amazing too is um.

0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, I went down to Nashville. We did sneak

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<v Speaker 1>out to a concert one time, and you know, it

0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.680
<v Speaker 1>was just a really I don't know, it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, it's been really fun not

0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:14.800
<v Speaker 1>being like focused on events or doing things. Like we're

0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.880
<v Speaker 1>both kind of homebodies at heart, and it's been cool

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<v Speaker 1>just staying in and not be tempted to go out

0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:25.600
<v Speaker 1>so we can kind of focus on ourself too. Right. Yeah,

0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I was talking I can't run about this a little bit.

0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.240
<v Speaker 1>She's like, You're gonna miss this like little bubble that

0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.439
<v Speaker 1>you're in, And I texted her after the Union. I

0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.760
<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, I missed the bubble. Yeah, you're right.

0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.000
<v Speaker 1>I feel like though, the window that you missed the

0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.720
<v Speaker 1>bubble is just when all this like spotlight essentially is

0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.320
<v Speaker 1>on you and it's very overwhelming and then as that fizzles,

0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.919
<v Speaker 1>Like I've never missed the bubble, but I used to.

0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.479
<v Speaker 1>I used to lay on Joe's couch and be like,

0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm in my own personal quarantine. This is the worst

0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.480
<v Speaker 1>thing ever, Like I just I would be like stuck

0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.399
<v Speaker 1>in Chicago in his apartment for like ten days. But

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<v Speaker 1>there is something special about having just like that privacy

0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:08.000
<v Speaker 1>that you'll never have again essentially. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's

0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:12.160
<v Speaker 1>such a unique experience. And what I've enjoyed the most

0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.359
<v Speaker 1>out of all of it is just the relationship that

0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:20.160
<v Speaker 1>James and Danielle have been able to, you know, have

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<v Speaker 1>by staying in you know, doing crafts and like you know,

0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:29.320
<v Speaker 1>watching movies and decorated cookies. Like It's it's really the

0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.639
<v Speaker 1>mundane activities that work really kind of enjoying the most.

0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.520
<v Speaker 1>It's the simple times that I don't know that are

0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the most valuable to us, and like the memories that

0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I just cherish. How was the first interaction, Danielle that

0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:57.080
<v Speaker 1>you had when you met James, Like, and Michael, did

0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.000
<v Speaker 1>you have to kind of like ease him into this

0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.960
<v Speaker 1>and like prep him like, Okay, I have a new

0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:03.960
<v Speaker 1>girl in my life. You're gonna meet her soon? Like

0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:09.400
<v Speaker 1>how was that full transition and then that initial meeting? Yeah?

0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.560
<v Speaker 1>So do you remember the date, Danielle. Yeah, it was

0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.600
<v Speaker 1>like the fifteenth or like the seventeenth or something like

0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.440
<v Speaker 1>that of July. We had only been home for like

0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.760
<v Speaker 1>two weeks or something like that, and He's like, Nope,

0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.359
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna We're gonna meet somewhere like I miss you,

0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.280
<v Speaker 1>like my brick James. So like we found this airbnb

0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:30.520
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of like nowhere, Kentucky and because it

0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.159
<v Speaker 1>was like halfway between us for like driving, and like

0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.040
<v Speaker 1>I pull up and I texted her, I'm like I'm here,

0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:37.360
<v Speaker 1>and like two seconds later I look over and there's

0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:41.000
<v Speaker 1>like this like face like pushed up against my car

0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh, hi, right, well, you know

0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:51.879
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's it's interesting because you know, normally I

0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:56.960
<v Speaker 1>would never introduced my son to somebody that early. Um,

0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:01.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, I described you know, Danielle time as you know,

0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.760
<v Speaker 1>a friend, and I mean I think he's used to

0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.959
<v Speaker 1>being around adults. He's an only filed you know, I

0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.439
<v Speaker 1>have friends over. He doesn't, you know, draw those lines

0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times. You know, My worries are things

0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.000
<v Speaker 1>that I'm kind of projecting onto him. They're not things

0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.320
<v Speaker 1>that I don't think he really feels and experiences himself,

0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:26.040
<v Speaker 1>which is like if he were to get so connected

0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.040
<v Speaker 1>with Dan Yale so early, especially after being off the

0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.560
<v Speaker 1>beach in two weeks, like what if it doesn't work,

0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Like will that have lasting effects? You know? I don't

0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I want to mitigate that. But I think, you know,

0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:42.400
<v Speaker 1>looking back, obviously it was a it was a great decision.

0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:46.680
<v Speaker 1>It was awesome, awesome weekend and you could tell him

0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.320
<v Speaker 1>about a dinner that he made for you. Oh my god, no,

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:54.480
<v Speaker 1>it was so sweet. Like I came like I got

0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:57.480
<v Speaker 1>it up there like much later, and Michael of this

0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.360
<v Speaker 1>like whole meal prepared. He's got like steaks on to grow.

0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:02.840
<v Speaker 1>And we sit down and and James sits down right

0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.880
<v Speaker 1>next to me. He was looking at me. I'm like, hi, hi,

0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:10.720
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, how's the chermy churry? Oh? And I'm

0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:14.320
<v Speaker 1>like it's delicious. He's like I helped and he like

0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:16.520
<v Speaker 1>you tore off all the leaves and everything like that.

0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:22.760
<v Speaker 1>God what a what a five years ago? Like the

0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:27.240
<v Speaker 1>fact the fact that he knows that, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:31.800
<v Speaker 1>that's really special relationship. I've been like really thinking about

0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:35.320
<v Speaker 1>a lot lately, and it's like I had to let down.

0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Michael and I talked about all the guards that we

0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.440
<v Speaker 1>really had to let down with regards to each other

0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:44.240
<v Speaker 1>and letting um like someone new into our lives. I'd

0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:48.840
<v Speaker 1>let two people into my life and thinking back on that,

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:54.359
<v Speaker 1>like I didn't realize how guarded I was in meeting

0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:58.600
<v Speaker 1>James and like letting myself love like a child like

0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:02.960
<v Speaker 1>in this situation too. And it's just it's been a

0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 1>really unique situation and kind of emotional thinking about it, um,

0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:10.280
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of opening up, you know, my heart

0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:14.280
<v Speaker 1>in that aspect too. And I love that kid. He's amazing.

0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh how old is he? No? Six six? Okay? Do

0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:25.400
<v Speaker 1>you feel like because you were in that bubble after

0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.639
<v Speaker 1>a paradise and you couldn't be in public, especially with

0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:32.480
<v Speaker 1>James for months, do you think that that helped strengthen

0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.520
<v Speaker 1>all of your relationships? I know, Michael, you said like

0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:38.760
<v Speaker 1>when you guys were in hiding, like you just you

0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.080
<v Speaker 1>just had to be home like your homebodies. You had

0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:43.720
<v Speaker 1>to like create things to do together in that space.

0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.840
<v Speaker 1>But do you think that privacy really helped build your

0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:51.200
<v Speaker 1>relationship faster, strong, and stronger. It's a make or break

0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:56.360
<v Speaker 1>it for sure, right I think I think I think

0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:58.560
<v Speaker 1>it would have been strong either way because it's a

0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:02.720
<v Speaker 1>priority for us. I don't think necessarily us having to

0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:08.680
<v Speaker 1>stay home, you know, was the reason why things got strong. Um.

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's because who Danielle is, you know, who

0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I am. The fact we put each other first, you know,

0:23:15.600 --> 0:23:18.840
<v Speaker 1>and also you know, James is the center of my life,

0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.040
<v Speaker 1>and so I think I think it would have happened

0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:26.080
<v Speaker 1>either way. I also think that we made the best

0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.159
<v Speaker 1>use of our time. It's like with all situations, you

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:31.680
<v Speaker 1>can sit there and complain about what you don't have,

0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:34.760
<v Speaker 1>but then you miss what's right in front of you

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:39.119
<v Speaker 1>and the opportunity that we made to be able to

0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:43.560
<v Speaker 1>make our relationship even stronger. Was there any part of

0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:45.119
<v Speaker 1>you that was worried that James would go back to

0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.920
<v Speaker 1>school or to his friends and be like, Oh, my

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:52.760
<v Speaker 1>dad has a girlfriend. Her name's Danielle. Like I asked

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:56.159
<v Speaker 1>them this at the ABC event. I was like, did

0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:59.240
<v Speaker 1>is James gorder on school being like this blonde woman

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:04.560
<v Speaker 1>that you're all watching on TV's at my house? Yeah?

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean I was. I was worried about that, and

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.760
<v Speaker 1>of course if I told him not to say anything,

0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.119
<v Speaker 1>then alarms are going off and then he's going to

0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:17.800
<v Speaker 1>say something. So I was just keeping my fingers crossed.

0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:21.320
<v Speaker 1>And also there I think there was one time, you know, Danielle,

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 1>we went to go pick up James together. Yeah, yeah,

0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:27.120
<v Speaker 1>you're like, put your gases on something, put your wig

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 1>on there's a lot of like soccer moms around here.

0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, let's let's not get slowly driving past your card.

0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:44.960
<v Speaker 1>James ever get a wig? Like? Would you guys will

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:48.440
<v Speaker 1>go grocery shopping? Did he have a wig? Too? No?

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.919
<v Speaker 1>We never. We never really were out in public together

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 1>with him. We went on like a hike once, but okay,

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:58.760
<v Speaker 1>you know we're Yeah, that would have been a good idea.

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 1>It would have been so fun. Now know what to

0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:02.960
<v Speaker 1>get him for a Christmas gift? You? Should we put

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:05.359
<v Speaker 1>should we put him in like the short blonde mullet wig.

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I think we have to. I mean, I mean, I

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I'm going to be very upset. I think

0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 1>we need to have James try on all of the wigs,

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:22.159
<v Speaker 1>do like a fashion show, see what his features the best.

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Thanks to him to be inspired for future haircuts. Yeah,

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:30.960
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be like dad, I want to grow my

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 1>hair out and get a perm Yeah. I think me

0:25:37.200 --> 0:25:41.360
<v Speaker 1>being on this show has created enough opportunities for him

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.960
<v Speaker 1>to be embarrassed the rest of his life. I don't

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 1>think we need to add to any more of this

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 1>to have embarrassed your kids any embarrassing moments you guys

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.919
<v Speaker 1>were so good. There was like never. I mean, I

0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 1>guess time will tell you never know how things age,

0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:00.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, I'm sure like the moment, like

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:02.879
<v Speaker 1>if he ever sees you kissing, he's gonna be like you.

0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:08.800
<v Speaker 1>But we always we always tried to keep It's it's

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:13.080
<v Speaker 1>interesting because we always tried to keep like the intimate

0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 1>moments and the romantic moments like PG because of that

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:22.000
<v Speaker 1>exact reason. So we never went a little bit too

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>hot and heavy. We're like, all right, like I'm so

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:30.640
<v Speaker 1>attracted to you, like yes, yes, watching so back away?

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah for you? Yeah, maybe a problem. Wait, Danielle, you tried, yes,

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:43.199
<v Speaker 1>I us and I'd walk up to and be like

0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:45.000
<v Speaker 1>you want to know something you want to hear like

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 1>the two hottest words ever And I'd go and I

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>whisper an easier condition. Yeah, I find it shot. They

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't show they didn't show any of this. But Danielle

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 1>was trying to lure me in the boom Boom room

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:07.880
<v Speaker 1>because I said this on a couple of weeks ago

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:09.800
<v Speaker 1>on our podcast, like I find it shocking that no

0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:11.680
<v Speaker 1>one was in the boom Boom room because Serena, I

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>feel like on our season, so many people like the

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>boom boom rooms were occupied every night, like oh, between

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Marian and Kenny and Marissa Riley, they would fight over

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:23.160
<v Speaker 1>the boom boom rooms of like which one was better?

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Like which one? Yeah, there was one that they both

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:28.439
<v Speaker 1>liked and they would like fight that night and they

0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:31.280
<v Speaker 1>would legit go and like put their clothes or their

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.320
<v Speaker 1>toiletries in the room early on to call like claim

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:38.639
<v Speaker 1>their space. Oh my god, I know right, I'm like,

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 1>damn Thomas, like we should have just gone in here

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>to like get a little reprieve from the humidity. But yeah,

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 1>it was a hot commodity on our season, and it

0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 1>seemed a little lonely this season. But I understand you didn't.

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 1>I understand. We also didn't want that aired. Yeah, no,

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.439
<v Speaker 1>that was very much my anning as well. And that

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>would have been like the one especially for you two,

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 1>like the clip that they would have kept reshowing and reshowing,

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:10.639
<v Speaker 1>so oh yeah, you would have made the trailer and

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Dad getting it on this season Mom and Dad need

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>to okay, did you yeah, speaking Dad, did you feel

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:25.439
<v Speaker 1>like you two were ever in Mom and Dad mode

0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:27.640
<v Speaker 1>for any of the cast members down there, like if

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:31.360
<v Speaker 1>somebody had too much to drink or was going through something.

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Did you like pull that role on for them? I mean,

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>I I feel like I was constantly being like asked

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 1>things UM for like support and and say I will say,

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 1>is the only woman of like the castmates that would

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:54.560
<v Speaker 1>come up and be like, hey you actually you do it? Okay,

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 1>you feel it? Okay, Like it's okay if you're not

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 1>like take some space, I'm like, thank you. Yeah, Oh

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>that's sweet. She was actually like like the shoulder to

0:29:05.200 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>cry on this season. Yeah, Like I feel like I

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 1>saw her comforting multiple women, which is just such a

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>such a pivot. She really had that redemption moment. She's

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>she's a really great person. Um, she knows exactly who

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 1>she is and you know what she wants out of life.

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 1>You know she I don't know, I've got a lot

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>of love. I mean we both do U and we

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>still keep in touch with her. Who would you, guys

0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>say your closest to UM from like your cast whether

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:36.959
<v Speaker 1>it was like from past seasons that you've been on

0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>or this season on Paradise. Oh, I mean like Vanessa

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>and I are still like super tight for my season.

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Um from this season, I'd say probably uh, flow and

0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>like Jesidia and like Schanee and I are probably like

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>the closest um or like that. I still check in on,

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 1>keep in touch with um great like a lot of

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of good dudes on this season, I will say,

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:12.040
<v Speaker 1>very very strong, real characters. So yeah, I mean I

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>I still keep up with people that went home night

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>one from Katie's season Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah, so

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm still in touch with a lot of people

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>like um Andrew Milkovic, you know, Garrett Connor, Costello, a

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 1>lot of those guys. You know, I'm good friends with

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of I mean, anybody who was on Katie

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:41.120
<v Speaker 1>season that was on Paradise, justin Aaron, James, m Andrew. Yeah,

0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 1>but I was. I was really surprised with the character

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:48.120
<v Speaker 1>of the guys from Gabby and Rachel's season two. You know,

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 1>there were I mean, everybody was really getting along well

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 1>when there wasn't you know, a dramatic storyline kind of

0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>unfolding and sharing their feelings and yeah, we're pretty dialed in. Yeah,

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 1>we saw you guys kind of supporting Johnny when you

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>were out there for the reunion. That seems like you

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 1>guys kind of have a close bond. Were you upset

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 1>that you couldn't be out there more? No, those chairs

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 1>are like the most uncomfortable. Y're the worst and the

0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>absolute worst. My butt was already numb for the short

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>time that we were out there, and it's such an

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>emotional roller coaster, Like I needed days to recover after

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 1>that reunion, he was really happy. But well, you guys,

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean when you had your hot seat Michael, you

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:49.479
<v Speaker 1>shared something that Danielle, your reaction was priceless. It was

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 1>like you could not make the stuff up. When people

0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:54.760
<v Speaker 1>are like, oh, like things are scripted or like we

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>saw something coming. Like your reaction to when Michael told

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 1>you that he loved you was so cute, so special,

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>So you had like just correct me if I'm wrong.

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>You had no idea that he was going to zero idea.

0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>She had an absolutely no idea. Yeah, I've never said

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I love you to like closer than like three years,

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>really two to three years, that's right. Well, I mean

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I've only said it to one person my entire life. Yeah,

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I haven't said it to anybody in grade school,

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>high school. It was just just Laura and I always

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>make this joke like you know the word like I

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 1>love you gets thrown around all the time. I mean

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>it does on the show, but just even in high school.

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, like think about all the relationships that I've

0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>had in high school where the girl I feel like,

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, a month or says like I love you

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:49.080
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I'm sorry, I just can't say it,

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 1>and they just want to strangle me. But I always

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 1>wanted to save it, say it, you know, and save

0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>it for somebody that I really felt it for. And

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm not going to share the conversation we

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>had Danny, but there was there was a conversation that

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>we had about two weeks prior to that that just,

0:33:08.520 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, everything made sense and she's just an extraordinary person.

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I I always think about this, you know, when they

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 1>like what is love? I think it's when you walk

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>into the room with your partner and you know that

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 1>everyone's looking at them and you're so you know, proud

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 1>to be by their side. And Danielle is one hundred

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 1>percent one of those people with someone I actually have one.

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, tons of physical attraction. You're so beautiful, but

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.479
<v Speaker 1>you're I don't know, you inspire me. You're motivating, Like

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm behind you like every step of the way. Cry.

0:33:52.360 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I think Danny's crying. I think I'm teared us that

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 1>you do an incredible job of describing love, like I know,

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:13.800
<v Speaker 1>really amazing, beautiful like love. And I think your words

0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>like really touch people, like I know Beck and I

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:18.800
<v Speaker 1>are in both loving relationships and we're so happy to

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>see you guys have found each other and it just

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:24.800
<v Speaker 1>like your words just resonate so well, like you're amazing

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 1>at articulating what is so hard to articulate about love? Yes,

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>I thank you. I mean, obviously from watching the season,

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 1>you know I get things wrong all the time and

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>all of that, but it's it's one I should write creating,

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 1>you know. But I think I think, yeah, right. I

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.719
<v Speaker 1>think some of it's because you know, I've felt it

0:34:51.840 --> 0:34:57.760
<v Speaker 1>and because I don't throw it around like recklessly, um

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 1>that I don't get it confused for what I believe

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 1>it to be. It is very meaningful. And that's what

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I think is so powerful, is like in that moment,

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I'm not Danielle, I wasn't the one

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>receiving those words, but I feel like everyone watching felt it,

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:16.919
<v Speaker 1>Like if he's going to say this after everything he's

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.319
<v Speaker 1>gone through he is going to mean it and that's

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 1>what's so special. And and like Thomas has met you,

0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, Thomas knows you way better than I do.

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:26.880
<v Speaker 1>I've only met you a handful of times. But we

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>both when we were down in Paradise and had the

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 1>chance to see you both like we've left, and we

0:35:33.239 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>were like, man, like we really hope those two work out,

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Like they're so cute together, but they both have such

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 1>big person Danielle. I haven't had too many conversations with you,

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 1>but like we've we've demmed in the past, and I

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 1>was like, she's just a real one. Like there are

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 1>people that come through this franchise that either want something

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 1>or you know, they do it for I hate to

0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.760
<v Speaker 1>say this, but like the wrong reasons. And you both,

0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 1>I think have such pure hearts and pure intentions that

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:00.800
<v Speaker 1>the fact that you two met and now we're not

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 1>all together, that's just like I mean, it's radiating through

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:07.839
<v Speaker 1>this podcast. But um, yeah, that that moment, Danielle, I

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 1>loved too. Like I feel like you didn't even know

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 1>how to react, like what to say, Like you were

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 1>just like kind of frozen, and like I wanted you

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>to just sit on that couch for a while, like

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 1>give them a moment, like don't go to the next

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.360
<v Speaker 1>commercial break, like let them have this time because it

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>was a lot to take in, but it was it

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 1>was really special to see. I've been waiting for a

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.239
<v Speaker 1>natural segue for this and I haven't found one, So

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to jump into this question. Danielle, you're moving.

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:43.239
<v Speaker 1>I am? I am. I Actually I had like two

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>interviews today or like met spats up in um In,

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Ohio and uh, yeah, a lot of a lot of interest.

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>So I'm very excited. But yeah, just trying to get

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the job locked down for her soon for apartments, um,

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, hoping to be up there as soon as possible.

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 1>So is that kind of the process right now is

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:06.759
<v Speaker 1>like Okay, we're going to find a job, but then

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>we'll look front apartment. Do you have kind of like

0:37:09.680 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 1>you want to be walking distance twenty minute drive? Like

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 1>is there proximity preferences to each other? You know? For me,

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 1>it's like I want to find the right job and

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:22.640
<v Speaker 1>right fit because that's always been really important to me,

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>like even as um like a single woman, you know,

0:37:27.440 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>like you want you want your like security and like

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:32.839
<v Speaker 1>that's something that like I always want to maintain and

0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 1>like encourage is that, like you know, women need their

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:39.240
<v Speaker 1>own financial security and like you know, put yourself first

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>in like certain situations, right girlfriend, who it's amazing. So yeah,

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 1>I want to get the job backed down first, like

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 1>it really doesn't, um matter if that's like closer to Acroing,

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:00.360
<v Speaker 1>closer to Cleveland, and then I'll look for like the

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.759
<v Speaker 1>right apartment for that, for that Ofkase, But um no,

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Michael and I have talked about that, and we're just

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 1>excited to be, you know, not eight and a half

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.800
<v Speaker 1>hours apart from each other. So dating in the same city,

0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, a thirty minute commutes a lot better than

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 1>than a flight or eight hour drives. So yeah, yeah,

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 1>and there and there's and we you know, originally we

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 1>discussed like her living really close. And when she first

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:29.399
<v Speaker 1>when she came a couple of weeks, I'm like, oh,

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:31.520
<v Speaker 1>you can live right here, like right behind me, there's

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>and then all here, and I'm like you're trying to Yeah,

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's fair, but I mean in that why

0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>you Yeah, that's you. But but also there's this idea

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:55.279
<v Speaker 1>too that if if she got a you know, a

0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 1>cool loft or something in downtown Cleveland. It's only twenty

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>five minutes from me. Then you know, James and I

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 1>can have like, you know, staycations in the city. We

0:39:03.600 --> 0:39:06.760
<v Speaker 1>lived kind of in a suburb and we can expose

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 1>him to you know, just you know, different landscape and

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:13.359
<v Speaker 1>do all of that, which I which as a kid.

0:39:13.880 --> 0:39:17.919
<v Speaker 1>Those are memories you're going to remember forever. Oh, that'll

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 1>be fun for him. So was this something like talking

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:26.400
<v Speaker 1>about not cohabitating, because obviously you're still going to have

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>your own separate units. But was this conversation of potentially

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Danielle you moving to Ohio like something that took place

0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:36.400
<v Speaker 1>starting back on the beach or was it was it

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:38.759
<v Speaker 1>afterwards when you guys were removed from the show, where

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 1>you were like, okay, like we can see our lives

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:46.239
<v Speaker 1>meshing together now, like let's make this change. Yeah. That's

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 1>one thing that I've loved about our relationship so much

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:53.880
<v Speaker 1>is that we've really taken our time. We've gone it

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:56.359
<v Speaker 1>like our own paces, not a pace that is being

0:39:56.360 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 1>dictated by the show or like, you know, people's expectations.

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:05.239
<v Speaker 1>So the fact that we didn't have that pressure, but

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:09.360
<v Speaker 1>like it just kind of started coming up more and

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a long distance, like it's either gonna

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 1>someone's got to move, like you want to make it work.

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>And with m James having you know, both sets of

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:24.799
<v Speaker 1>grandparents so much closer up there and the whole family system, like,

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 1>it does not make sense for you guys to move

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:29.799
<v Speaker 1>to Nashville. I had already been like ready to leave

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Nashville for like the last year and a half two

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:36.239
<v Speaker 1>years or so, so um, I was excited. I was like,

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:38.680
<v Speaker 1>now like this is this just makes sense right now,

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and we really want to make sure and you know,

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:44.240
<v Speaker 1>see if this thing is going to work and spoiler

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 1>work spoiler alert totally is. But no, it was really

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:52.239
<v Speaker 1>important to me to make sure like I had my

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 1>own space and stuff too, because my relationship with James

0:40:57.600 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 1>is really important and I don't want to like just

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 1>invade his face right away. So when we were talking

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>about moving up, it was always no, like, I want

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:08.200
<v Speaker 1>to get my own place so then I can keep

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:11.279
<v Speaker 1>building a relationship with both of you and not just

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, be a roommate all of a sudden. So yeah, yeah,

0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean again, another thing I just admire about you know, Danny,

0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 1>it's I it's so important to maintain your own individuality

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and relationship. Um it's so easy. You know, there's there's

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 1>on one side where to become one in certain elements, um,

0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 1>in in in certain ways. But you know, you have

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:38.520
<v Speaker 1>to have your own life. You have to have your

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 1>own passion, you have to have your own friends, you

0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.160
<v Speaker 1>have to have your own you know. Um, you know,

0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 1>things that excite you, keep you young, things that you nurture, um,

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, and you put time in and she has

0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>tons of those, and so I don't I don't know

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 1>she gets it. Um, And I can't wait till we

0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 1>she moves up here. We're trying to like figure out

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:09.280
<v Speaker 1>that time frame, shooting for February, hopefully sooner. But it'll

0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:12.720
<v Speaker 1>be cool to just like enjoy the mundane and begin,

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, building this life that we've just put on

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.799
<v Speaker 1>hold for so long. Be able to come over after

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:20.839
<v Speaker 1>a long day at work and just get take out

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:24.080
<v Speaker 1>or make a good meal and hang out. Oh man,

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:28.600
<v Speaker 1>not just yeah the feet up on the coffee table

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and just do nothing us. Yeah. Yeah, that is a

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 1>good feeling of not having to feel like, Okay, we

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 1>only have four days, yeah, that we have to make

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 1>the most of every second and just be like we're

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 1>just living life together. Exactly, yeah, exactly, Yeah, so special.

0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see, like what all unfolds in

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:49.360
<v Speaker 1>this next chapter for you both. One thing that I

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.799
<v Speaker 1>want to ask you, and you know, it's one thing

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:54.400
<v Speaker 1>to be living on the beach together on this show.

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 1>It is paradise for a reason. But what was like

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the biggest thing that you've learned about one another post

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 1>filming that you really appreciate about one another or that

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 1>you hate or give us the realty to give us

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the pettives too. You can go first. It feels like

0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:29.320
<v Speaker 1>a setup. Danielle Wawless no issues the gradgy walks on UM,

0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:34.720
<v Speaker 1>I know this is going UM. I would I would say,

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:39.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, on the show, I think if if you're

0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:43.760
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable on camera, I feel like you're because you're really

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:48.760
<v Speaker 1>in it. You know, you're really thinking about life afterwards

0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 1>versus sometimes things can feel performative as as a whole.

0:43:55.280 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 1>And we were both very much in it because we

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:03.359
<v Speaker 1>knew all that was at stake outside of this um

0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know a lot of the conversations that we had,

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:12.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, weren't aired and were actually kind of cool

0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:15.759
<v Speaker 1>with that because those were moments that we remember, um,

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:20.439
<v Speaker 1>and that we're special to us. Danielle, you know, outside

0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:24.239
<v Speaker 1>of the show and everything that you saw in Paradise,

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:29.719
<v Speaker 1>she's funny as hell. Um. You know, she's she's you know,

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 1>she's the type of This is one of the best

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:36.280
<v Speaker 1>ways to describe Danielle. She's the type of person that

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:41.319
<v Speaker 1>all her friends call, like when they're sick and when

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 1>they need help and all of that. Like she's the

0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>one that shows up. And it's like, that's what you're

0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:52.120
<v Speaker 1>looking for in a partner all the time. Are people

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:54.840
<v Speaker 1>that show up when it matters and people that answer

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:59.360
<v Speaker 1>the phone call when you need them. And she's always available.

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.319
<v Speaker 1>M hm oh that. I feel like that's something that

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:06.320
<v Speaker 1>you definitely learn after the show too, because you're always

0:45:06.320 --> 0:45:08.799
<v Speaker 1>available no matter what. On the show, you're on the

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 1>same beach ship. Yeah. Really getting off and seeing how

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:15.719
<v Speaker 1>that prioritize that person prioritizes you, and like how they

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 1>treat their friends, how they prioritize their family, like that

0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:21.200
<v Speaker 1>can be so special to see, Like I know, I

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:23.320
<v Speaker 1>fell in love with Joe so much more like seeing

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:26.400
<v Speaker 1>that aspect of him in his life. Yeah, on the

0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 1>show everyone's it feels like not everyone, but we're all

0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 1>in presentation mode, you know, where who do we want

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.799
<v Speaker 1>to be? How do we want to be perceived? Like

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:39.239
<v Speaker 1>what are the best qualities in us that we want

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:43.239
<v Speaker 1>to showcase to the world. Um. But then after the

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 1>cameras are done, you know, running, your true self comes out,

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:50.600
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I think that's that make or break

0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:54.440
<v Speaker 1>point in all these relationships where you can't hide from

0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 1>yourself forever. You know, you can't, you can't be in

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.440
<v Speaker 1>presentation mode forever. The truth it's way to the surface.

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:06.800
<v Speaker 1>And when daniel Danielle's true self was coming to the surface,

0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:10.400
<v Speaker 1>it was so much more beautiful and wonderful than anything

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I had ever seen on the show. So all of

0:46:14.560 --> 0:46:19.000
<v Speaker 1>like the great moments that we have shared outside of

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Paradise have been I don't know, just so much more

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:26.879
<v Speaker 1>fulfilling and in Greate, I don't know, it's it's we're

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:30.800
<v Speaker 1>in a really good place. Oh, I love it. That's amazing.

0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Listening to you too talking about each other makes me

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:37.160
<v Speaker 1>want to just like go squeeze. Thomas and you guys

0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>are definitely much more articulate than I am. I'm just like,

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I love you so articulate. I like, oh my gosh,

0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:50.719
<v Speaker 1>I tell him now, Like after he told me he

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:52.440
<v Speaker 1>loved me, I was like, every time I told you

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 1>you're my favorite, I was saying I love you, oh,

0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 1>because I knew you were ready to hear it yet. Yeah,

0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 1>and that's and that's that's another thing too. Um, you know,

0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 1>obviously Danielle and I you know, shared a moment on

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 1>the beach about our past and losing somebody there is

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:18.239
<v Speaker 1>it's it's so comforting knowing that we both don't have

0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:23.959
<v Speaker 1>to teach the person that we're with how complicated it

0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:29.279
<v Speaker 1>is to go through grief. Um, you know she gets it.

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean she's farther along than I am. And it's

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:36.440
<v Speaker 1>it's cool to be able to have this safe place

0:47:36.600 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 1>where we can talk without judgment or insecurities. It's just

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 1>what we have to go through and process in order

0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:51.520
<v Speaker 1>to become a better version of ourselves. And we we have,

0:47:51.920 --> 0:47:55.439
<v Speaker 1>we established that early. And it's I don't know, Yeah,

0:47:55.520 --> 0:48:00.120
<v Speaker 1>I just blessed because it's it's difficult for anybody to

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:05.800
<v Speaker 1>understand how things change, you know, when you actually feel ready,

0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:10.200
<v Speaker 1>because the truth is, you don't until you keep going

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and you actually find that person that you want to

0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 1>be with. Everything feels unattainable until the moment it doesn't,

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:21.720
<v Speaker 1>or until the moment it does. And so like that

0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:25.840
<v Speaker 1>that was one of those AHA moments for me because

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:28.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, on the show, I did question whether or

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:31.439
<v Speaker 1>not I was ready, but it was just because I

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 1>hadn't met Danielle and we didn't dive deeper and deeper

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and deeper into that. But once we started doing that,

0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:43.520
<v Speaker 1>it was like, I am ready. I'm more ready than

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I thought I was. Yeah, it's like the puzzle piece

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:48.800
<v Speaker 1>thing I was talking about. Yeah, like you just found

0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 1>that person up fit that you found acceptance with and

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:55.560
<v Speaker 1>that's something you both deserve. It wasn't forced, no, but

0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:58.879
<v Speaker 1>even with you know finding you know that puzzle piece

0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and that like safe and that like grief is something

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 1>that we're just like it doesn't define us, and we

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 1>talked about that all the time, but like it's a

0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:16.719
<v Speaker 1>unit we live with and it like and Michael knows this,

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Like there's different things that have come up, even you know,

0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:23.520
<v Speaker 1>it's been twelve years since Nick passed away, but there's

0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:26.160
<v Speaker 1>still things that come up that you know, make you

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:28.719
<v Speaker 1>feel scared or wonder and like you have to like

0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 1>keep kind of talking yourself through like what you know

0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:35.840
<v Speaker 1>to be true, like in these moments and like focusing

0:49:35.880 --> 0:49:40.239
<v Speaker 1>on that. But yeah, I know it's a really I

0:49:40.520 --> 0:49:42.960
<v Speaker 1>want to I want to highlight. I want to highlight

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:48.239
<v Speaker 1>what she's saying here just for anybody listening, there is

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 1>we all do this sometimes where we focus on a

0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:55.160
<v Speaker 1>part of our life that is least fulfilled and then

0:49:55.200 --> 0:49:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that feels like our entire life. And Danielle actually taught

0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 1>me this where you know, when you feel lost or

0:50:03.480 --> 0:50:09.120
<v Speaker 1>you don't feel like you have this complete life because

0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:13.319
<v Speaker 1>there are certain pieces that are out of balance, she

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 1>actually taught me how to, you know, list out the

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:19.840
<v Speaker 1>things that you know to be true, like you have family,

0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:23.000
<v Speaker 1>you have friends, you are supported, like you are loved,

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:27.400
<v Speaker 1>like you are smart, like like all of these things

0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:32.319
<v Speaker 1>that help you. But it's it's so simple. But when

0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:38.360
<v Speaker 1>you're lost in that kind of depression or doubt, it

0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:41.919
<v Speaker 1>brings you back to the truth that you know you're

0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:44.320
<v Speaker 1>not alone, that you have more than you ever thought

0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:48.560
<v Speaker 1>you did, and you know it creates an energy and

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:52.120
<v Speaker 1>a sense of hope. Yeah, it's it helps you not

0:50:52.239 --> 0:50:54.560
<v Speaker 1>just fix it on that one thing that you feel

0:50:54.680 --> 0:50:56.840
<v Speaker 1>is missing in or lacking And I think it's really

0:50:56.960 --> 0:50:59.560
<v Speaker 1>special that you two have found each other because, like

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:01.240
<v Speaker 1>you I had a little bit ago, Michael, you didn't

0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 1>have to teach the other person of like what grief

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:06.879
<v Speaker 1>feels like. You both just understand and have I would

0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:09.799
<v Speaker 1>say maybe not like a level of patience, but you

0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:14.520
<v Speaker 1>have that just like understanding in this foundation to build

0:51:14.520 --> 0:51:16.239
<v Speaker 1>off of where you're like, you know, I'm going to

0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:18.080
<v Speaker 1>have my days, You're gonna have your days. We're going

0:51:18.120 --> 0:51:21.560
<v Speaker 1>to feel grief different times in different capacities, but you're

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:23.279
<v Speaker 1>still going to be by each other because you both

0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 1>have been through it, and I think that that's really special,

0:51:26.200 --> 0:51:29.080
<v Speaker 1>especially for you to just have going through so much

0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 1>prior to meeting each other. I think that's why I

0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 1>like seeing you two together now and seeing this love

0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 1>story unfold of like, I'm just so happy I was

0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:39.480
<v Speaker 1>able to watch it as if you were selfishly, but

0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I can't even imagine what it feels like for you both.

0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 1>But Danielle, what did you learn about Michael or your

0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:49.880
<v Speaker 1>biggest pet peeve if you will, of him? We need

0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.480
<v Speaker 1>to take him down and nottch I feel like we've

0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:54.400
<v Speaker 1>been building Michael up so much. We got to humble

0:51:54.480 --> 0:51:58.719
<v Speaker 1>him a little bit, y'all. It's hard to humble this man,

0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.719
<v Speaker 1>and believe me, I want to. But come on, does

0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.520
<v Speaker 1>he like not unload the dishwasher? Like there's got to

0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:09.200
<v Speaker 1>be something I'm bad? I'm bad? Does leave the toilet

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:11.640
<v Speaker 1>seat up? Emisode? Does James or James peas on the seat?

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 1>But currently, I mean, in our defense, we are in

0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:19.400
<v Speaker 1>an all male household. You are, That is true. I

0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:21.520
<v Speaker 1>get it. It's gonna have to change one day, maybe

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:27.760
<v Speaker 1>soon ish, but right now you're gonna have to change

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:31.040
<v Speaker 1>and learning I can do. I know he got out

0:52:31.080 --> 0:52:33.000
<v Speaker 1>of his own way, y'all. He like told me he

0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:36.240
<v Speaker 1>loved me, So there we got. We can't really complain

0:52:36.280 --> 0:52:41.360
<v Speaker 1>about the baby steps. Baby yeah, go for it? What

0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:45.640
<v Speaker 1>what are real? Pet peeves? We've known each other long enough. Well.

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I hate I have when people ask X and I'm like,

0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and then I feel put on the spot, and then

0:52:48.920 --> 0:52:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I can't think of anything. It is so hard. It's

0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:54.520
<v Speaker 1>such a hard question. But I just have like I

0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:55.759
<v Speaker 1>have to say, and I feel like I say this

0:52:55.800 --> 0:53:00.840
<v Speaker 1>all the time. But the thing that I was honestly

0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:08.080
<v Speaker 1>most shocked by was Michael as a father and like

0:53:08.160 --> 0:53:10.520
<v Speaker 1>shocked in a good in like a very good way

0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:14.560
<v Speaker 1>because like I've seen you know, other men you know

0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 1>in my life and their incredible fathers. Like don't get

0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:21.160
<v Speaker 1>me wrong, my dad is an incredible dad. Um. But

0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:30.080
<v Speaker 1>actually watching Michael parent is like like made me fall

0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:31.680
<v Speaker 1>like so much more in love with him. It was

0:53:31.800 --> 0:53:37.400
<v Speaker 1>in it's it's like really it really is, you know,

0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean like, oh no, here here his tears are.

0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:45.600
<v Speaker 1>But like kids, kids struggle, you know, kids have sometimes

0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:49.120
<v Speaker 1>where like they might feel um, you know, like stressed

0:53:49.120 --> 0:53:53.239
<v Speaker 1>about something or like scared about something. And he is

0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:57.920
<v Speaker 1>like the most calming, like validating force and he's really

0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:03.759
<v Speaker 1>had to be bow you know, have both you know,

0:54:05.760 --> 0:54:09.040
<v Speaker 1>motherly qualities if you want to call it that, um

0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:12.240
<v Speaker 1>and fatherly qualities. Like he's had to embody both parts

0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:17.960
<v Speaker 1>in this and it's just really it turns me on,

0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:22.879
<v Speaker 1>Like it's great, like a great dad. That's the That's

0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the greatest compliment I could ever get. And I you know,

0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:34.720
<v Speaker 1>I remember when Laura passed away. I remember like getting

0:54:34.880 --> 0:54:36.880
<v Speaker 1>to this point where you know, I'm looking at my

0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:40.480
<v Speaker 1>son he's two years old, and I remember like saying

0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:43.680
<v Speaker 1>cancer took so much from us already, I'm not gonna

0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:48.840
<v Speaker 1>let it anymore. And so you know, it's kind of

0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 1>this vowel and given I have so many flaws, I

0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:58.080
<v Speaker 1>come up short literally every single day. Um. You know,

0:54:58.560 --> 0:55:02.319
<v Speaker 1>it's it's really the effort and the intention that I

0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 1>try to parent with where I don't want James to

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:11.480
<v Speaker 1>ever use this tragedy as an excuse why he can't,

0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:17.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, reach his potential. You know, it's like I

0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:22.640
<v Speaker 1>don't it's it's it's a major disruption and you know

0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:26.200
<v Speaker 1>that's an idea, but the way that that's executed throughout

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the day is exhausting. You've got to be like crazy patient.

0:55:31.800 --> 0:55:35.760
<v Speaker 1>You have to be able to explain things. But there's

0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:38.920
<v Speaker 1>nothing more important. There's nothing I could do during the

0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:44.319
<v Speaker 1>day that I don't know. Trump's that, Um. So, you know.

0:55:45.080 --> 0:55:47.600
<v Speaker 1>And Danielle's really good too. She's great at reading books.

0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:52.359
<v Speaker 1>She's amazing. Oh, I have no doubt. She is an

0:55:52.400 --> 0:55:56.520
<v Speaker 1>incredible woman. To now finally be part of James's life,

0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:59.120
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's really special to hear you both build

0:55:59.120 --> 0:56:01.600
<v Speaker 1>each other up. I think not we don't hear that

0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:04.160
<v Speaker 1>often enough. And so I'm glad that we were able

0:56:04.160 --> 0:56:07.760
<v Speaker 1>to have you both on to each O. There's hype

0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:13.400
<v Speaker 1>partners if you will total hype partner. I love this. Okay,

0:56:13.440 --> 0:56:18.239
<v Speaker 1>So for anyone going or wanting to go onto Paradise

0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:20.680
<v Speaker 1>in the future, what is a bit of advice that

0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:30.000
<v Speaker 1>you would each give to someone M you are never

0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:39.440
<v Speaker 1>too old? I love Yes, I would say go in

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:45.440
<v Speaker 1>with an open heart and like willing to be surprised,

0:56:46.360 --> 0:56:51.560
<v Speaker 1>you know. I think there's you know, sometimes people are

0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:57.880
<v Speaker 1>trying to control what is really uncontrollable. I mean, you

0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:02.080
<v Speaker 1>can't control who you fall in love with or who

0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:05.680
<v Speaker 1>you're attracted to in the real world. It just happens,

0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:09.600
<v Speaker 1>and so cannot control anything happening down on that beach. Yeah,

0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:12.600
<v Speaker 1>why why try to do it in an environment that's

0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:16.760
<v Speaker 1>even more out of your control? So, you know, make

0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:19.280
<v Speaker 1>sure when you go down there, you know who you

0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:23.040
<v Speaker 1>are as a person. You know, you know what you're

0:57:23.600 --> 0:57:26.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of looking for. It's it's it's an you have

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:30.320
<v Speaker 1>to over communicate. I think a lot a lot down

0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:36.200
<v Speaker 1>there more so, um, but it's a wonderful experience. I

0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:38.960
<v Speaker 1>loved it. Um. I loved waking up on the beach.

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:41.440
<v Speaker 1>I loved you know, a lot of a lot of

0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the younger guys were like, we're not getting any sleep.

0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:48.040
<v Speaker 1>We're so tired. It's like, man, you know, we just

0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:49.840
<v Speaker 1>got a solid four hours. What do we have to

0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:55.520
<v Speaker 1>do today? Like go to the pool drink? People like yeah,

0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:58.800
<v Speaker 1>come on, yeah, Like I get it, it's exhausting, it is,

0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:03.920
<v Speaker 1>but like worse things to do. Yeah, exactly, absolutely, I

0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 1>feel it. We'll just take that recording and we'll send

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:13.280
<v Speaker 1>it to all future paradise. Yeah yeah, yeah, and drink,

0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:20.960
<v Speaker 1>drink lots of water, lots lots of water, hydrated. Yet,

0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:25.120
<v Speaker 1>is there is there a moment from Paradise, whether it

0:58:25.160 --> 0:58:30.000
<v Speaker 1>be like funny, sentimental whatever, um that wasn't shown between

0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the two of you together or separately that you were like, oh,

0:58:33.400 --> 0:58:35.400
<v Speaker 1>like I love that moment. I wish it was shown,

0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.520
<v Speaker 1>or like this is something that was really special that

0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:41.760
<v Speaker 1>we didn't get to share with people. I think there's

0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:44.959
<v Speaker 1>a couple and Michael's going to say our painting date,

0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:49.080
<v Speaker 1>uh and he set up for me, um because we

0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:53.320
<v Speaker 1>have this. Uh. We were saying, now we're watching the sunset,

0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:56.040
<v Speaker 1>and our biggest thing is like we just don't want

0:58:56.080 --> 0:58:58.600
<v Speaker 1>to forget any memories because we know how important those

0:58:58.640 --> 0:59:01.320
<v Speaker 1>are soly like to like document at those. And he

0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:04.400
<v Speaker 1>set up this painting date and I have it. It's

0:59:04.440 --> 0:59:06.400
<v Speaker 1>like propped up all around my wall because I still

0:59:06.400 --> 0:59:08.440
<v Speaker 1>don't have it framed yet. But we painted the sunrise

0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:13.520
<v Speaker 1>or sunset um. But one of my favorite moments was

0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:18.440
<v Speaker 1>I had like almost passed out earlier. I had so

0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:21.920
<v Speaker 1>much leg swelling it was unreal. Oh did you have

0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:24.360
<v Speaker 1>like the ankle swallowing? Oh my god, no, up to

0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:29.960
<v Speaker 1>my knees, Like it was so bad. Anytime they weren't filming,

0:59:30.000 --> 0:59:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I was like laying down wrapped my legs. They were

0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:35.800
<v Speaker 1>laying up a wall. Um. But like I had spent

0:59:35.880 --> 0:59:39.680
<v Speaker 1>like the whole day like like sleeping in air conditioning basically,

0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:42.640
<v Speaker 1>it just to kind of like try and catch up.

0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:47.040
<v Speaker 1>And he came up after it, and um, we were

0:59:47.080 --> 0:59:50.840
<v Speaker 1>just like cuddled up on like the it was one

0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:54.120
<v Speaker 1>of the day beds up in like the holding room

0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:57.760
<v Speaker 1>for like new arrivals and like that little area. Yeah,

0:59:57.800 --> 1:00:01.680
<v Speaker 1>and it just felt so like I'd missed you all day,

1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:04.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, I hadn't seen you. And we just kind

1:00:04.080 --> 1:00:06.720
<v Speaker 1>of like cut it up and laid and just felt

1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:15.920
<v Speaker 1>so safe and happy again. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we we had. We had so many moments and just

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<v Speaker 1>celaborate on the painting. There was a earlier conversation that

1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Danielle and I had where you know, we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, Nick and Laura and just the reality

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<v Speaker 1>that when you lose somebody that you share so much

1:00:37.920 --> 1:00:42.400
<v Speaker 1>history with, you also lose those memories with them, you know,

1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:46.480
<v Speaker 1>inside jokes don't land the same anymore. Um, there's an

1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:49.520
<v Speaker 1>era of your life that you know, you can say

1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:51.480
<v Speaker 1>that you carry it in your heart, but it certainly

1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:56.479
<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel that way because you can't reminisce and bring

1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:58.760
<v Speaker 1>it back to life with the person you shared it with.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we were constantly talking about the importance of

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<v Speaker 1>preserving memories, you know, between us, and so we you know,

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<v Speaker 1>cementing them in our life so we don't forget them.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was just this beautiful conversation that was never aired.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually always glad things are not aired, where some

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<v Speaker 1>people are like I wish they would have shown this.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the fact that there ares, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>like the fact that they don't have to be shared,

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<v Speaker 1>because everything feels when you're on there, you know, it's

1:01:29.520 --> 1:01:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the Truman Joe, you feel like you have to share everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and when you share everything, then everybody has an opinion

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<v Speaker 1>on everything. And it's like it's just this pure little

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<v Speaker 1>moment that we both enjoyed and at a time that

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<v Speaker 1>just felt right, Oh, well, I want to see this

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<v Speaker 1>painting one day. Well yeah, yeah, I get a frame.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a beautiful moment. Yeah, and I will attest Michael. I.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of our conversations that I had with Thomas last

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<v Speaker 1>year on that beach never made it to the light

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<v Speaker 1>of day, and part of me is so relieved because

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this was actually actually us just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about like real life things. Oh. Sometimes boring things like

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<v Speaker 1>that would never make it into tea because no one

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<v Speaker 1>wants to hear us talk about it. But like real

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<v Speaker 1>life stuff that's so important. That makes it so much

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<v Speaker 1>more special. But like also for you in a relationship,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so needed. But yeah, it's it's good that it

1:02:21.320 --> 1:02:23.120
<v Speaker 1>was just between you and you don't have to open

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<v Speaker 1>up that cannon worms to the world for everyone to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, well, I would do. It was a beautiful moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we had a lot of We had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of those and you know, I everything that

1:02:35.760 --> 1:02:39.720
<v Speaker 1>we shared on the beach was wonderful. Everything we shared

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<v Speaker 1>outside of that has been ten times better. Um, And

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<v Speaker 1>so like those types of memories, like I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. We're like she's moving up here. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>more exciting than I can even articulate. It just feels

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<v Speaker 1>like the begin beginning of something incredible and things are

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<v Speaker 1>finally like taking shape, and that's how it should feel. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's there's more unknowns, and like I always

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<v Speaker 1>end up getting in my way sometimes overthinking things, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going back to this place of simplification. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if it feels right, run with it. And it feels right.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I feel like the show encompasses so

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<v Speaker 1>many different things. Obviously, like it's a show about finding love,

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<v Speaker 1>but then there's a lot of other components to it

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<v Speaker 1>as well, a lot of other components that get attention

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<v Speaker 1>or highlighted, which is understandable it's a show. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is so nice to talk to you guys and just

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<v Speaker 1>like really relish and like the love that comes out

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<v Speaker 1>of it and like the good that comes out of

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<v Speaker 1>it and celebrate that and have you guys here today

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<v Speaker 1>and just see like, you know, two people having found

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<v Speaker 1>each other through this crazy experience, which is something that

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<v Speaker 1>Beck and I can relate to, but seeing it with

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<v Speaker 1>you two just very deserving, kind, genuine people just like

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<v Speaker 1>warms my heart like crazy. Thank you so much. Okay, well, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>you've done this with me before because you were a

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<v Speaker 1>recent guest on Happy Hour, and Serena and Danielle I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think either of you have done this, but we've

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<v Speaker 1>added this little portion at the end. Basically, we love

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<v Speaker 1>to share resources. We think it's very important to share

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<v Speaker 1>it with our listeners and our followers. So I'll start

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<v Speaker 1>just to kick it off, and then we'll go around

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<v Speaker 1>the one that I'm going to share this week. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually it's just an Instagram account and the account is

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<v Speaker 1>at this is Dez or sorry at Underscore This is

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<v Speaker 1>Dez with a z D easy. Basically, Dez Wilson is

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<v Speaker 1>a creative director and his account is so cool, so impactful.

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<v Speaker 1>I started following him. I was just scrolling through, and

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<v Speaker 1>basically what he does is he reimagines characters from like

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<v Speaker 1>popular movies and shows and places black characters in what

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<v Speaker 1>was once a white character or a white TV show.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically like the recent ones he's done is like

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<v Speaker 1>the Adams family. I believe he did Harry Potter Twilight,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think it's good for everyone, but especially like

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<v Speaker 1>younger kids to see maybe their favorite movies or shows

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<v Speaker 1>or characters replaced with black characters, because that obviously is

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<v Speaker 1>real life. And so again his account is at underscore.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Deaz with a Z and I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>was really cool. I haven't seen anything quite like that

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram that I've come across, and so I figured

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<v Speaker 1>that was a fun one to share. Serena, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have you go up next girl. All right, that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that existed. I'm gonna go check that

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<v Speaker 1>out after. Um, I really want to share this book

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<v Speaker 1>that I read in uh when we were waiting to

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<v Speaker 1>go on parodies, and I can't remember the name, so

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I'll send it to you back at and it

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<v Speaker 1>can get highlighted another time. But I follow this account

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<v Speaker 1>called black Owned dot to and it basically highlights um

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<v Speaker 1>small black owned businesses in Toronto or the greater Toronto area.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're looking to shop small black owned businesses,

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<v Speaker 1>it just makes it really easy. I believe they have

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<v Speaker 1>a storefront in Scarborough Town center for all my GTA listeners. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, they're they're great. They're an Instagram account. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just yeah, you can shop online, you can

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<v Speaker 1>shop in store. Um. I believe they highlight the actual

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<v Speaker 1>businesses pages as well if you want to shop directly there. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I should really find a New York one now that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here so much. But um, there there are a

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<v Speaker 1>great account for people looking. I love that. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic. Okay, and who wants to Danielle Michael wants

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<v Speaker 1>to take it away? Um, I have. Um, well, this

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<v Speaker 1>is more related to healthcare workers and burnout in the

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<v Speaker 1>trauma and stuff that they've experienced the last a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years working through the pandemic. But um, a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine started an organization called Don't Clock Out, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a resource for UM nurses and healthcare workers that

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<v Speaker 1>are struggling. It highlights the physician and nurse suicide rates

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<v Speaker 1>and really helps to provide more resources for healthcare workers.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's called Don't Clock Out, and it's at Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's at Don't clock Out Org. Is their Instagram and

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<v Speaker 1>I can send that over to you guys. But all right, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, Danielle, Yeah, no problem. And last but not least,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Michael Um. Yeah, I recently from a friend got

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<v Speaker 1>a book recommendation. It's called blind Spot. It's Hidden Biases

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<v Speaker 1>or Good People, and it's pretty much what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that we all have these particular biases in

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<v Speaker 1>our life and they're not truths. They're just things that

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<v Speaker 1>have found their way into our mind in one way

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<v Speaker 1>or the other. And this book, you know, the way

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<v Speaker 1>it's been described to me, kind of pulls that out,

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<v Speaker 1>allows you to recognize that they do exist and that

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<v Speaker 1>if you do want to grow into a better person,

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<v Speaker 1>a more inclusive person, identifying them first is the first step.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm really excited to jump into it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes the older that you get, the more

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<v Speaker 1>you think you know, and you need to approach life

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<v Speaker 1>with a little bit more curiosity and grace and understanding

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<v Speaker 1>and realize that the experience that we have as individuals

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<v Speaker 1>isn't the same one that everyone shares. And so if

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to do anything, um, it's to try to

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<v Speaker 1>at least be empathetic and try to be an advocate, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>those you know, disenfranchised or those that are disadvantaged, you

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<v Speaker 1>know by birth, um, and we have a responsibility to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of uplift everybody. It's better for them, it's better

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<v Speaker 1>for the community, and the things you learn along the

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<v Speaker 1>way are lessons you'll keep forever. I love that. So

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<v Speaker 1>a blind Spot what I think I think I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>of that book. Actually, I think i've I've heard good

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<v Speaker 1>things about it. Yeah, it's called it's called blind Spot

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<v Speaker 1>Hidden Biases for Good People. Oh my gosh, that sounds incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm adding that to my good Reads list as we speak,

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<v Speaker 1>because and I love the subtitle of that, like hidden

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<v Speaker 1>Biases for Good People. I think it's so easy for somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've seen it time and time again where something

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<v Speaker 1>happens or there's an issue in a scandal and people

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<v Speaker 1>are like, oh they meant well, or you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>had good intention, or there's still a good person, and

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<v Speaker 1>like that can all be true, but you can also

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<v Speaker 1>still have these hidden biases and still be very ignorant

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<v Speaker 1>or careless with what you say and what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that I'm going to suck up on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you well, great, well, thank you both for sharing

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<v Speaker 1>those and thank you too, Serena. And now it's the

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<v Speaker 1>fun part before we have you go. You've done this before,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael and Danielle. Again, this is your first time, but

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<v Speaker 1>this should be the fun one. We always ask our

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<v Speaker 1>listeners to share their rose and thorn, and this time

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<v Speaker 1>you can do your full entire experience of paradise because

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we've seen it all air now, so basically like

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite best moment and then maybe one that was

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<v Speaker 1>a little messy. So whoever wants to start take it

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<v Speaker 1>away all right? You know my rose, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it is meeting Danielle and developing that relationship. Looking

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<v Speaker 1>back and seeing how awkward it was for us to

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<v Speaker 1>finally meet in person. There was a lot of pressure

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<v Speaker 1>on both of us because we had talked like briefly

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<v Speaker 1>in the past, because we had shared this, but we

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<v Speaker 1>never met. So it was like, there's a lot on

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<v Speaker 1>the line here. We could lose each other as friends

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<v Speaker 1>if things don't go right, Like, is there that romantic

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<v Speaker 1>you know connection between us? And you know when she

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<v Speaker 1>came down it was the beginning, there was physical attraction

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<v Speaker 1>and then as the whole thing went forward to where

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<v Speaker 1>we are to date, like we developed that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>chemistry and you know, my my thorn as a whole,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, would be you know, the I would say probably,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know this, maybe the sleeping conditions of the

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<v Speaker 1>bunk beds I was on the I was on the

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<v Speaker 1>top bunk of either guy's norm and there was a massive,

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<v Speaker 1>like five foot snake living above me. This yeah, oh

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<v Speaker 1>yeah it was. It was absolutely crazy. Um so that

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely my thorn. Oh my god, had yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what about you, Daniel? Um? I think my rose was

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<v Speaker 1>probably the first rose that I actually got from Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>and he quoted back to me the song lyrics from that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned to him of a song that was really

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<v Speaker 1>important to me, um by Grace Potter after Nick had passed,

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<v Speaker 1>and Thorne definitely UM like, I mean doctor Carr, doctor

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<v Speaker 1>down there was like, if we weren't in the jungle

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<v Speaker 1>right now, I'd be tapping your knees to relieve all

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<v Speaker 1>the fluid that was on them. But you know you'll

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<v Speaker 1>end up with an infection in your joints if I

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<v Speaker 1>do that here, so no tea, Yeah, girl can carry water.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you. They were so big and everybody's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I was like my life no normally,

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<v Speaker 1>look like that. Oh was it painful. It hurts so

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<v Speaker 1>tight and like it was like throwing the stability of

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<v Speaker 1>like my knee joints off, so it felt like it

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<v Speaker 1>was just like constantly like this, just it was so painful.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, yeah that does not sound pleasant, but honestly, like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, well, thank you both for being here on

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<v Speaker 1>a happy hour. It was. It really was such a

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure to have you both together. You're somebody. You're a

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<v Speaker 1>couple that we wanted right after the finale, and I

1:13:35.120 --> 1:13:37.280
<v Speaker 1>know life was crazy, so I'm so glad we got

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<v Speaker 1>you on now. But thank you both. Yes, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>so lucky I got to guess this episode and be

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<v Speaker 1>here with you guys today. We're here, and let us

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<v Speaker 1>know when you're in Chicago, because I love to see

1:13:48.360 --> 1:13:51.040
<v Speaker 1>you guys. If you were ever in California, please let

1:13:51.080 --> 1:13:54.800
<v Speaker 1>me and Tommy know we would love to, oh my god,

1:13:56.160 --> 1:14:00.479
<v Speaker 1>to stay anytime. So yes, we're watching you guys the Beast. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So Danielle, before we let you go, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>you have your podcast. Do you want to let all

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<v Speaker 1>of our listeners know where they can find you on

1:14:08.080 --> 1:14:12.360
<v Speaker 1>social and on your honest yeah, I would be so

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<v Speaker 1>over the Moon. Um, the Walmed podcast, I started to

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<v Speaker 1>support women and um members of like the lgbt Q

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<v Speaker 1>communities and stuff in healthcare. It's a very supportive, very inclusive,

1:14:26.400 --> 1:14:31.559
<v Speaker 1>very beautiful space. UM and it is at the Walmed.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find the podcast where ever you listen to podcasts,

1:14:35.240 --> 1:14:39.519
<v Speaker 1>and you can find me at DMOB. All right, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>Just just to confirm that's at WOMED. Correct, Yes, w

1:14:44.840 --> 1:14:48.280
<v Speaker 1>O M E D. Yeah sounds good. Kay. Everyone go

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<v Speaker 1>check her and her podcast out. Awesome, Thanks guys so much.

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<v Speaker 1>They're such a lovely couple. Oh my gosh. I was

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<v Speaker 1>honestly so choked up for most of that episode. We

1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:05.160
<v Speaker 1>all were, because everybody kept starting to cry, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was just like, oh my god, I really don't get

1:15:07.560 --> 1:15:10.040
<v Speaker 1>emotional watching The Bachelor, and that's probably not a shocker

1:15:10.080 --> 1:15:15.760
<v Speaker 1>to most people, but watching their story really just like

1:15:15.840 --> 1:15:17.880
<v Speaker 1>got to me. And the moment with them with the

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<v Speaker 1>compass and then them at the finale like all the

1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:23.320
<v Speaker 1>water works, and they're just both such great people and

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<v Speaker 1>I just I love that they found each other and

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<v Speaker 1>that they're happy and they found love. Really. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard I've heard Thomas Rabba about Michael for so

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<v Speaker 1>long and oh my god, they were on the same season. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even put that together. And he said, how

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<v Speaker 1>do they know each other so well? All all from

1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:44.680
<v Speaker 1>the same season, and like they stayed in contact, like

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<v Speaker 1>they've been in touch, like Thomas I think helped not promote,

1:15:49.760 --> 1:15:53.120
<v Speaker 1>but like back up one of Michael's charities. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to say, but yeah, Michael's always been such a sweetheart.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we've had him on the podcast several times, but

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<v Speaker 1>knowing who he is, to have him on here a

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<v Speaker 1>few more times, and then like knowing what Thomas says

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<v Speaker 1>about him, it's just like he's just a good dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Like everyone that I've talked to you about that talks

1:16:08.640 --> 1:16:10.600
<v Speaker 1>about Michael like he just has a pure heart. And

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<v Speaker 1>like same with Danielle, like she's such a kind person.

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<v Speaker 1>And to hear Michael just really reiterate that and like say,

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<v Speaker 1>how incredible of a friend and a family member and

1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:22.200
<v Speaker 1>a partner she's been. I think it's so special. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a good one And I love having you on, Serena.

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<v Speaker 1>I miss you. I know I miss you too. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so good to come back and hang out with you

1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Becca and chat and reconnect with all the listeners, So

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for having me. You know, if you ever

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<v Speaker 1>need a guest house, I'm here. Yeah, it was a blast.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you as always, you are welcome back whenever you want.

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<v Speaker 1>We absolutely love you, and I really just hope that

1:16:44.280 --> 1:16:47.040
<v Speaker 1>we can see you and Joe sometime in person soon

1:16:47.240 --> 1:16:48.880
<v Speaker 1>sent a lot. I feel like we haven't seen you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>and forever truly well after the holidays, once everything dies down,

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<v Speaker 1>will we need to get out to New York like

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<v Speaker 1>we've been saying, Yeah, seeing that for a year, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to come out. So it's in the book. So

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna definitely try maybe early next year, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be so fun. Yeah. So a huge shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to Michael Ndamel for being here, and also to

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<v Speaker 1>all of our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, thank you for

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