Speaker 1: Welcome back Happy Hour listeners. I'm one of your co hosts,
Speaker 1: Becky Koufern, and I am your guest co host for
Speaker 1: the day, Serena Pitt. Yeah, it's so good to see
Speaker 1: your face again. So good to have you back on
Speaker 1: Happy Hour. It's always a pleasure when you're around. But
Speaker 1: we are so excited to be back with you this
Speaker 1: week to talk all about how life has been after
Speaker 1: Paradise for the two cute love birds, Michael and Danielle.
Speaker 1: I am so excited that they are guests today. We
Speaker 1: have so many questions for them after the reunion, and
Speaker 1: I just can't wait to hear how they're doing life
Speaker 1: beyond Paradise. You know, those trips to the grocery store,
Speaker 1: date night at the restaurant, all the little things that
Speaker 1: all the couples look forward to once the season ends.
Speaker 1: Just being able to walk down the street holding hands
Speaker 1: in public, and no one understands it better than you. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you and Joel lived this last year. You are now
Speaker 1: happily married, which I'm so I think this is the
Speaker 1: first time I've seen you since you've visually tied the knot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it is. That's crazy. We had Joe on
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago to give his side of things.
Speaker 1: But how have you been, how's married life treating you
Speaker 1: anything new or different? I've been good. I feel like
Speaker 1: everything in my life feels the same, you know everyone.
Speaker 1: Someone said to me, I think it was Chelsea the
Speaker 1: other day, was like, it's like on your birthday and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, do you feel different because you're a whole
Speaker 1: year older, and it's like, I feel the same. Our
Speaker 1: relationship feels the same. But it definitely was very spontaneous
Speaker 1: and exciting, and I'm definitely still getting used to calling
Speaker 1: him my husband. That still feels and sounds so weird
Speaker 1: to me. But yeah, it's been It's been good, and
Speaker 1: we're still busy wedding planning, which backup, I'm sure you
Speaker 1: can relate to the stresses of that. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: do I ever? Well? You and I had a separate
Speaker 1: little tex threat happening a few weeks ago, and we
Speaker 1: were talking about wedding and planning. It is crazy, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure some women and men, I'm sure just some
Speaker 1: couples in general love wedding planning. I for one, find
Speaker 1: it just so stressful, so anxiety. You're written I mean
Speaker 1: like you and Joe did it right. Honestly, going to
Speaker 1: the courthouse and just having to be the two of
Speaker 1: you in this like very intimate, private ceremony, like very
Speaker 1: secret I think was so smart. Yeah, we have no
Speaker 1: regrets on the way we did it. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: still obviously having the wedding, but it definitely takes some
Speaker 1: of I don't want to say the pressure off, because
Speaker 1: it wasn't like the pressure of planning a wedding's like
Speaker 1: the actual marriage component, but it's just like, all right, check,
Speaker 1: we're married, and now we can just deal with like
Speaker 1: the fun of celebrating that with our family and friends.
Speaker 1: But like, I feel like it's one of those things
Speaker 1: like you just don't know until you get into wedding planning,
Speaker 1: like how many components there are. It's just a lot.
Speaker 1: It's it's both fun but also very overwhelming and stressful
Speaker 1: at the same time. So overwhelming you're probably gonna do
Speaker 1: it once, so we're trying to enjoy it. I know.
Speaker 1: That's like you're telling myself. It's like it's gonna be
Speaker 1: one in John. Yeah, one more thing, I know. We
Speaker 1: had to bring Michael and Danielle on very soon. One
Speaker 1: more thing. I wanted to ask you, though, have you
Speaker 1: started wedding tresh shopping? Actually I got my wedding dress.
Speaker 1: You did, Oh gosh? I from a shop in New York. No.
Speaker 1: So I went home for a few days to Toronto
Speaker 1: after we spent us Thanksgiving with Josilm in Chicago, and
Speaker 1: I knew that I wanted to do shopping with like
Speaker 1: my mom, my sister, my dad. Wanted to come by
Speaker 1: and see a few like some friends. When I was home,
Speaker 1: and the first store I went into because our wedding
Speaker 1: is early September, they were like, you need to get
Speaker 1: your dress, Like, you need to get your dress. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but like it takes six to eight months to order
Speaker 1: a dress, plus like two months for alterations is like
Speaker 1: the realcy timeline. So it kind of worked out because
Speaker 1: I already in two appointments booked. I'm pretty like decisive
Speaker 1: and was like I went to one, I went to
Speaker 1: the next, and I got my dress at the second one,
Speaker 1: and I'm obsessed with it and I'm very relieved that
Speaker 1: that decision's done. So yeah, look at you. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I definitely want to get more details. I don't want
Speaker 1: to share everything and like, get it on, blasts, we'll
Speaker 1: jump in our wedding fighting chatling. Yes, okay, definitely sounds good. Um, well,
Speaker 1: I love just chatting with you. But of course we
Speaker 1: do have our guests of the hour, Michael end and Yell.
Speaker 1: So I think it's just time to bring them on. Everyone,
Speaker 1: please welcome them to Bachelor Happy Hour. Well, welcome to
Speaker 1: Happy Hour you too, It's so good to see you
Speaker 1: side by side. Finally, Michael, it was a short time
Speaker 1: ago that we had just you Unhappy Hour, and I
Speaker 1: knew I had a feeling. I didn't know any spoilers,
Speaker 1: but I was like, I think we're going to see
Speaker 1: him back very soon. And so Danielle welcome. I think
Speaker 1: this is your first time Unhappy Hour. Correct, yeah, my
Speaker 1: first time on Happy Hour. He's our first chance to
Speaker 1: actually get to talk. I need Serena well FaceTime. And
Speaker 1: Joe's at Wells is wedding with both of you. He's
Speaker 1: in that photo where you tour next to each other.
Speaker 1: I like zoom in on Joe and it's like Dan,
Speaker 1: yeall Michael, and like Joe's head in between them. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's so that's so funny. Serena real quick.
Speaker 1: They had a photo booth that Wells's wedding, and since
Speaker 1: you were sick and you didn't actually go, Joe took
Speaker 1: a bunch of like photos in the photo booth by
Speaker 1: himself and I actually I actually picked one up and
Speaker 1: I have one in my bedroom, not like on my nightstand,
Speaker 1: like with a bunch of other polar fights. I raved
Speaker 1: next to the bed. That is like, God, just like,
Speaker 1: who's the real person in your life? It's true? Yeah, Joe,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I saw it. I mean I saw
Speaker 1: the pictures from Wells and Sarah's wedding, and so you
Speaker 1: both had obviously at that point already filmed Paradise. You
Speaker 1: were together, you weren't technically supposed to be seen, but
Speaker 1: like you're not going to say no to your friend's wedding, right, So,
Speaker 1: but you weren't each other's plus months correct, like you
Speaker 1: know he was Wells. Wells texted me and he goes, so, Danny,
Speaker 1: do you want to plus one? And I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: you know who I'm gonna bring? Huh. He's like yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like is that okay? Like are you
Speaker 1: gonna have a ton of press there? What's the deal?
Speaker 1: He's like no, no, no, no, no, no press, no
Speaker 1: cell phones. You just have to like we're just bringing
Speaker 1: the photos to like Vogue and like they're the only
Speaker 1: ones that are gonna post it. You got no big deal.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, well, yeah, I want to bring
Speaker 1: Michael do you away? And then if anyone's calling you
Speaker 1: being like what are you guys doing, it's like talk
Speaker 1: to Wells. He told us we could do this. He
Speaker 1: told me it was okay. He's the breaker. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: we obviously were so excited to finally be in public
Speaker 1: and everything, especially at that venue. It was the most
Speaker 1: beautiful wedding I've ever seen, and it just felt really
Speaker 1: really warm, and to see Danny and her element. I
Speaker 1: got to meet tons of her friends that weekend. She
Speaker 1: hangs out with just this extraordinary group of people. I
Speaker 1: always talk about this, and it was just the great weekend.
Speaker 1: And I guess, if your relationships going to be spoiled,
Speaker 1: it's glad it's in Vogue. Yeah, definitely. No. I was
Speaker 1: actually just as like, oh damn, Like I wish Thomas
Speaker 1: and I would have been able to go to some
Speaker 1: of his friend's weddings last summer. So you guys definitely
Speaker 1: looked out. It looked like the wedding to be at.
Speaker 1: Like when you say it was beautiful, I know that
Speaker 1: that winery, it's absolutely stunning. Okay, well, so god, we
Speaker 1: have so many questions. I don't know where to get
Speaker 1: Let's just take it back to last week because that
Speaker 1: was obviously Thanksgiving. It was the first holiday that you
Speaker 1: could really spend. Did you spend it together? We did. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I went up to Ohio and spent it with Michael
Speaker 1: and James and his family and got to meet his
Speaker 1: sister for the first time. I'm obsessed with her. We
Speaker 1: already or laughing about Michael behind his back. It's great.
Speaker 1: Let it again. So how does that because I know
Speaker 1: with Joe and I we don't have family in the
Speaker 1: same place similar to you guys. I'm from Toronto, he's
Speaker 1: from Chicago. So how are you guys kind of navigating
Speaker 1: that like long distance families in different cities things for
Speaker 1: both Thanksgiving and then we have Christmas coming up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's a it's a work in progress
Speaker 1: that we just we were talking about how are you
Speaker 1: going to handle Christmas? And the first thing was, let's
Speaker 1: get through Thanksgiving. I love, you know, getting to be
Speaker 1: around family around those times, and it's difficult traveling with
Speaker 1: you know, James and everything. And Danny's parents have a
Speaker 1: beautiful home in the north Woods of Wisconsin and it's
Speaker 1: an eleven hour drive. So essentially, what's happening for Christmas? Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you guys want to do that? Good? I never
Speaker 1: want at home with James, you, um, And so you know,
Speaker 1: I'll we're gonna have Christmas at my place with my
Speaker 1: parents and family, and then I think, what two days later,
Speaker 1: we're gonna drive up to Wisconsin. Yeah, so like the
Speaker 1: like twenty eighth, twenty nights something like that, we're gonna
Speaker 1: do that, um with my family. We're gonna go to
Speaker 1: Chicago for New Year's Eve and oh we will see
Speaker 1: you guys there. We might be there too. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going to be in Chicago for um, for Christmas
Speaker 1: and potentially through Thanksgiving. So so definitely message us through
Speaker 1: you're going back where its time machines. Yeah. I was
Speaker 1: like I thought, Canada, Yeah, and I will I will
Speaker 1: say this too. Um. This was like a really emotional
Speaker 1: holiday for both Danny and I. It's been forever since
Speaker 1: we've actually had someone this next too, and we have
Speaker 1: you know, after everything that's happened to us. Um, you
Speaker 1: know you constantly kind of feel like a not a
Speaker 1: third wheel, but you have a piece that's actually missing.
Speaker 1: And it was really fulfilling and felt extremely warm for
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving this year to be able to celebrate it with
Speaker 1: her and just everything that we have been through, um,
Speaker 1: not just in our past, but on the show and
Speaker 1: kind of growing as a couple outside of you know,
Speaker 1: the limelight and all of that. My family adores her,
Speaker 1: which I knew I knew they would, um, and that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why it's working out. You know,
Speaker 1: that's always a bonus too. Okay, Okay, we need to
Speaker 1: talk about this. So it's been a few weeks now
Speaker 1: since the Paradise finale has aired. UM, I want to know,
Speaker 1: first of all, has the dust like kind of finally
Speaker 1: settled for you both? Uh? Yeah, it's been really nice.
Speaker 1: Now we're just kind of like, okay, let's focus on
Speaker 1: getting moved and like the next step and just really
Speaker 1: enjoying each other being able to share that joy with
Speaker 1: like patients that come in and see me and they're like, God,
Speaker 1: you look so happy, and like I've been happy, but
Speaker 1: now we can finally talk about it, you know, right yeah,
Speaker 1: say his name to your friends and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is my boyfriend, right, yeah, exactly. And it feels
Speaker 1: it feels like it's been a while since I've had
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, like this optimistic view of
Speaker 1: the future, like things are settling in, like I know
Speaker 1: who I'm want to spend you know, my life with
Speaker 1: and begin building again versus versus. It was always, you know,
Speaker 1: something looming or hanging in the future, whether or not
Speaker 1: it was you know, Paradise or you know, being on
Speaker 1: katiecas And I think a lot of people don't recognize, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, how much being on this show puts your
Speaker 1: life on hold. And when I was you know, I'm
Speaker 1: thirty eight, you know, times ticking, and that was that
Speaker 1: was really difficult, especially when you're so focused on progress
Speaker 1: and trying to figure everything out. But I'm so glad
Speaker 1: I went down this path. It's just like this roadless traveled,
Speaker 1: and it led to something just so beautiful. Oh that
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's been no easy road for
Speaker 1: for anybody. There so much that goes into it. And
Speaker 1: by no means are we victims like, we're very lucky
Speaker 1: to be a part of this experience, but it does
Speaker 1: take its toll, and it's it feels good that it
Speaker 1: wasn't all for nothing. Yeah. I remember watching our Paradise
Speaker 1: finale because we didn't have a reunion, so it ended
Speaker 1: with like the engagements and whatnotum and just feeling like
Speaker 1: a weight lift off my shoulders. Like it was a
Speaker 1: sense of relief that I've never experienced before. Um. But
Speaker 1: I know for for Joe and I and you guys
Speaker 1: are in a similar situation. Joe had been on the
Speaker 1: show a few years back. He'd done you know, Becky
Speaker 1: season of The Bachelor. I n if I looked up
Speaker 1: and seeing who he was season he was on the
Speaker 1: other day, Like yeah, yeah, but he did he did
Speaker 1: Bachelorette Ish and then Paradise and then came back to Paradise,
Speaker 1: So when we left, he was kind of familiar with
Speaker 1: navigating what that was. Like. Has that kind of helped
Speaker 1: you guys, Like Michael, have you kind of leaned on
Speaker 1: Danny in that way of like how does this work?
Speaker 1: Like how should we handle this? Or has it just
Speaker 1: kind of felt like new territory for both of you together?
Speaker 1: I mean for me, I guess if I'm comparing it
Speaker 1: to when I got off Katie's season, you know, you
Speaker 1: go from nobody ever having an opinion about you outside
Speaker 1: of your immediate friends and family, to this tidal wave
Speaker 1: of public opinion and you're not really sure how to
Speaker 1: handle it, Like you become glued to your phone, You're
Speaker 1: checking things, what do people think about me? This time around,
Speaker 1: I didn't focus on any of that. I think it
Speaker 1: maybe because I was happy, you know, like I knew
Speaker 1: I had somebody at the end of this, and I
Speaker 1: was kind of more focused in the moment than really
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's what's strangers pain of me
Speaker 1: or us were and it's it's great to have somebody
Speaker 1: that you can lean on. Mhm. For sure. The social
Speaker 1: media escape has changed a lot since I was on
Speaker 1: the show, so it's got a little meaner, a little wilder. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's yeah. Yeah. What has been your favorite thing, big
Speaker 1: or small that you've been able to do together since
Speaker 1: everything is aired and now that you were finally public,
Speaker 1: Like Serena and I have talked about this, but like
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things was just going grocery shopping
Speaker 1: to talk. Yes, That's what I was gonna say. So little,
Speaker 1: but so special, so special and also so necessary too.
Speaker 1: You need to gil grocery shopping. Yes, we we we
Speaker 1: love we love cooking, and we forget something and we
Speaker 1: would be like, Okay, who's putting the wig on or
Speaker 1: who's staying in the car, and it's like we just
Speaker 1: need to grab something real quick. Yeah, just one thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember the first time we actually did that, Like
Speaker 1: I'd forgotten something for pumpkin pie or whatever, and we've
Speaker 1: got like James wanted to be in that like um,
Speaker 1: one of those like car grocery car car, and We're
Speaker 1: like yeah, and we're going through and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're in public, Like we're doing this
Speaker 1: together right now. This is this is amazing. You guys,
Speaker 1: like do it together? Were you like on one side
Speaker 1: of the grocery store, like if you'd pass you give
Speaker 1: a little wave? Did you split up at all? I
Speaker 1: mean it's pretty much altogether. Yeah, yeah, did it together.
Speaker 1: So it's been real exciting. Let me tell you, grocery
Speaker 1: I went to movies and dinner, and I mean, Wells's
Speaker 1: wedding was obviously a highlight. What's amazing too is um.
Speaker 1: You know, I went down to Nashville. We did sneak
Speaker 1: out to a concert one time, and you know, it
Speaker 1: was just a really I don't know, it's really cool.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's been really fun not
Speaker 1: being like focused on events or doing things. Like we're
Speaker 1: both kind of homebodies at heart, and it's been cool
Speaker 1: just staying in and not be tempted to go out
Speaker 1: so we can kind of focus on ourself too. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was talking I can't run about this a little bit.
Speaker 1: She's like, You're gonna miss this like little bubble that
Speaker 1: you're in, And I texted her after the Union. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I missed the bubble. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: I feel like though, the window that you missed the
Speaker 1: bubble is just when all this like spotlight essentially is
Speaker 1: on you and it's very overwhelming and then as that fizzles,
Speaker 1: Like I've never missed the bubble, but I used to.
Speaker 1: I used to lay on Joe's couch and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm in my own personal quarantine. This is the worst
Speaker 1: thing ever, Like I just I would be like stuck
Speaker 1: in Chicago in his apartment for like ten days. But
Speaker 1: there is something special about having just like that privacy
Speaker 1: that you'll never have again essentially. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: such a unique experience. And what I've enjoyed the most
Speaker 1: out of all of it is just the relationship that
Speaker 1: James and Danielle have been able to, you know, have
Speaker 1: by staying in you know, doing crafts and like you know,
Speaker 1: watching movies and decorated cookies. Like It's it's really the
Speaker 1: mundane activities that work really kind of enjoying the most.
Speaker 1: It's the simple times that I don't know that are
Speaker 1: the most valuable to us, and like the memories that
Speaker 1: I just cherish. How was the first interaction, Danielle that
Speaker 1: you had when you met James, Like, and Michael, did
Speaker 1: you have to kind of like ease him into this
Speaker 1: and like prep him like, Okay, I have a new
Speaker 1: girl in my life. You're gonna meet her soon? Like
Speaker 1: how was that full transition and then that initial meeting? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So do you remember the date, Danielle. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like the fifteenth or like the seventeenth or something like
Speaker 1: that of July. We had only been home for like
Speaker 1: two weeks or something like that, and He's like, Nope,
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna meet somewhere like I miss you,
Speaker 1: like my brick James. So like we found this airbnb
Speaker 1: in the middle of like nowhere, Kentucky and because it
Speaker 1: was like halfway between us for like driving, and like
Speaker 1: I pull up and I texted her, I'm like I'm here,
Speaker 1: and like two seconds later I look over and there's
Speaker 1: like this like face like pushed up against my car
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, hi, right, well, you know
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's interesting because you know, normally I
Speaker 1: would never introduced my son to somebody that early. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I described you know, Danielle time as you know,
Speaker 1: a friend, and I mean I think he's used to
Speaker 1: being around adults. He's an only filed you know, I
Speaker 1: have friends over. He doesn't, you know, draw those lines
Speaker 1: a lot of times. You know, My worries are things
Speaker 1: that I'm kind of projecting onto him. They're not things
Speaker 1: that I don't think he really feels and experiences himself,
Speaker 1: which is like if he were to get so connected
Speaker 1: with Dan Yale so early, especially after being off the
Speaker 1: beach in two weeks, like what if it doesn't work,
Speaker 1: Like will that have lasting effects? You know? I don't
Speaker 1: I want to mitigate that. But I think, you know,
Speaker 1: looking back, obviously it was a it was a great decision.
Speaker 1: It was awesome, awesome weekend and you could tell him
Speaker 1: about a dinner that he made for you. Oh my god, no,
Speaker 1: it was so sweet. Like I came like I got
Speaker 1: it up there like much later, and Michael of this
Speaker 1: like whole meal prepared. He's got like steaks on to grow.
Speaker 1: And we sit down and and James sits down right
Speaker 1: next to me. He was looking at me. I'm like, hi, hi,
Speaker 1: and he's like, how's the chermy churry? Oh? And I'm
Speaker 1: like it's delicious. He's like I helped and he like
Speaker 1: you tore off all the leaves and everything like that.
Speaker 1: God what a what a five years ago? Like the
Speaker 1: fact the fact that he knows that, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really special relationship. I've been like really thinking about
Speaker 1: a lot lately, and it's like I had to let down.
Speaker 1: Michael and I talked about all the guards that we
Speaker 1: really had to let down with regards to each other
Speaker 1: and letting um like someone new into our lives. I'd
Speaker 1: let two people into my life and thinking back on that,
Speaker 1: like I didn't realize how guarded I was in meeting
Speaker 1: James and like letting myself love like a child like
Speaker 1: in this situation too. And it's just it's been a
Speaker 1: really unique situation and kind of emotional thinking about it, um,
Speaker 1: which is kind of opening up, you know, my heart
Speaker 1: in that aspect too. And I love that kid. He's amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh how old is he? No? Six six? Okay? Do
Speaker 1: you feel like because you were in that bubble after
Speaker 1: a paradise and you couldn't be in public, especially with
Speaker 1: James for months, do you think that that helped strengthen
Speaker 1: all of your relationships? I know, Michael, you said like
Speaker 1: when you guys were in hiding, like you just you
Speaker 1: just had to be home like your homebodies. You had
Speaker 1: to like create things to do together in that space.
Speaker 1: But do you think that privacy really helped build your
Speaker 1: relationship faster, strong, and stronger. It's a make or break
Speaker 1: it for sure, right I think I think I think
Speaker 1: it would have been strong either way because it's a
Speaker 1: priority for us. I don't think necessarily us having to
Speaker 1: stay home, you know, was the reason why things got strong. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it's because who Danielle is, you know, who
Speaker 1: I am. The fact we put each other first, you know,
Speaker 1: and also you know, James is the center of my life,
Speaker 1: and so I think I think it would have happened
Speaker 1: either way. I also think that we made the best
Speaker 1: use of our time. It's like with all situations, you
Speaker 1: can sit there and complain about what you don't have,
Speaker 1: but then you miss what's right in front of you
Speaker 1: and the opportunity that we made to be able to
Speaker 1: make our relationship even stronger. Was there any part of
Speaker 1: you that was worried that James would go back to
Speaker 1: school or to his friends and be like, Oh, my
Speaker 1: dad has a girlfriend. Her name's Danielle. Like I asked
Speaker 1: them this at the ABC event. I was like, did
Speaker 1: is James gorder on school being like this blonde woman
Speaker 1: that you're all watching on TV's at my house? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I was. I was worried about that, and
Speaker 1: of course if I told him not to say anything,
Speaker 1: then alarms are going off and then he's going to
Speaker 1: say something. So I was just keeping my fingers crossed.
Speaker 1: And also there I think there was one time, you know, Danielle,
Speaker 1: we went to go pick up James together. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, put your gases on something, put your wig
Speaker 1: on there's a lot of like soccer moms around here.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's let's not get slowly driving past your card.
Speaker 1: James ever get a wig? Like? Would you guys will
Speaker 1: go grocery shopping? Did he have a wig? Too? No?
Speaker 1: We never. We never really were out in public together
Speaker 1: with him. We went on like a hike once, but okay,
Speaker 1: you know we're Yeah, that would have been a good idea.
Speaker 1: It would have been so fun. Now know what to
Speaker 1: get him for a Christmas gift? You? Should we put
Speaker 1: should we put him in like the short blonde mullet wig.
Speaker 1: I think we have to. I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm going to be very upset. I think
Speaker 1: we need to have James try on all of the wigs,
Speaker 1: do like a fashion show, see what his features the best.
Speaker 1: Thanks to him to be inspired for future haircuts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like dad, I want to grow my
Speaker 1: hair out and get a perm Yeah. I think me
Speaker 1: being on this show has created enough opportunities for him
Speaker 1: to be embarrassed the rest of his life. I don't
Speaker 1: think we need to add to any more of this
Speaker 1: to have embarrassed your kids any embarrassing moments you guys
Speaker 1: were so good. There was like never. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess time will tell you never know how things age,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'm sure like the moment, like
Speaker 1: if he ever sees you kissing, he's gonna be like you.
Speaker 1: But we always we always tried to keep It's it's
Speaker 1: interesting because we always tried to keep like the intimate
Speaker 1: moments and the romantic moments like PG because of that
Speaker 1: exact reason. So we never went a little bit too
Speaker 1: hot and heavy. We're like, all right, like I'm so
Speaker 1: attracted to you, like yes, yes, watching so back away?
Speaker 1: Yeah for you? Yeah, maybe a problem. Wait, Danielle, you tried, yes,
Speaker 1: I us and I'd walk up to and be like
Speaker 1: you want to know something you want to hear like
Speaker 1: the two hottest words ever And I'd go and I
Speaker 1: whisper an easier condition. Yeah, I find it shot. They
Speaker 1: didn't show they didn't show any of this. But Danielle
Speaker 1: was trying to lure me in the boom Boom room
Speaker 1: because I said this on a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 1: on our podcast, like I find it shocking that no
Speaker 1: one was in the boom Boom room because Serena, I
Speaker 1: feel like on our season, so many people like the
Speaker 1: boom boom rooms were occupied every night, like oh, between
Speaker 1: Marian and Kenny and Marissa Riley, they would fight over
Speaker 1: the boom boom rooms of like which one was better?
Speaker 1: Like which one? Yeah, there was one that they both
Speaker 1: liked and they would like fight that night and they
Speaker 1: would legit go and like put their clothes or their
Speaker 1: toiletries in the room early on to call like claim
Speaker 1: their space. Oh my god, I know right, I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn Thomas, like we should have just gone in here
Speaker 1: to like get a little reprieve from the humidity. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a hot commodity on our season, and it
Speaker 1: seemed a little lonely this season. But I understand you didn't.
Speaker 1: I understand. We also didn't want that aired. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that was very much my anning as well. And that
Speaker 1: would have been like the one especially for you two,
Speaker 1: like the clip that they would have kept reshowing and reshowing,
Speaker 1: so oh yeah, you would have made the trailer and
Speaker 1: Dad getting it on this season Mom and Dad need
Speaker 1: to okay, did you yeah, speaking Dad, did you feel
Speaker 1: like you two were ever in Mom and Dad mode
Speaker 1: for any of the cast members down there, like if
Speaker 1: somebody had too much to drink or was going through something.
Speaker 1: Did you like pull that role on for them? I mean,
Speaker 1: I I feel like I was constantly being like asked
Speaker 1: things UM for like support and and say I will say,
Speaker 1: is the only woman of like the castmates that would
Speaker 1: come up and be like, hey you actually you do it? Okay,
Speaker 1: you feel it? Okay, Like it's okay if you're not
Speaker 1: like take some space, I'm like, thank you. Yeah, Oh
Speaker 1: that's sweet. She was actually like like the shoulder to
Speaker 1: cry on this season. Yeah, Like I feel like I
Speaker 1: saw her comforting multiple women, which is just such a
Speaker 1: such a pivot. She really had that redemption moment. She's
Speaker 1: she's a really great person. Um, she knows exactly who
Speaker 1: she is and you know what she wants out of life.
Speaker 1: You know she I don't know, I've got a lot
Speaker 1: of love. I mean we both do U and we
Speaker 1: still keep in touch with her. Who would you, guys
Speaker 1: say your closest to UM from like your cast whether
Speaker 1: it was like from past seasons that you've been on
Speaker 1: or this season on Paradise. Oh, I mean like Vanessa
Speaker 1: and I are still like super tight for my season.
Speaker 1: Um from this season, I'd say probably uh, flow and
Speaker 1: like Jesidia and like Schanee and I are probably like
Speaker 1: the closest um or like that. I still check in on,
Speaker 1: keep in touch with um great like a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of good dudes on this season, I will say,
Speaker 1: very very strong, real characters. So yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: I still keep up with people that went home night
Speaker 1: one from Katie's season Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm I'm still in touch with a lot of people
Speaker 1: like um Andrew Milkovic, you know, Garrett Connor, Costello, a
Speaker 1: lot of those guys. You know, I'm good friends with
Speaker 1: a lot of I mean, anybody who was on Katie
Speaker 1: season that was on Paradise, justin Aaron, James, m Andrew. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I was. I was really surprised with the character
Speaker 1: of the guys from Gabby and Rachel's season two. You know,
Speaker 1: there were I mean, everybody was really getting along well
Speaker 1: when there wasn't you know, a dramatic storyline kind of
Speaker 1: unfolding and sharing their feelings and yeah, we're pretty dialed in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw you guys kind of supporting Johnny when you
Speaker 1: were out there for the reunion. That seems like you
Speaker 1: guys kind of have a close bond. Were you upset
Speaker 1: that you couldn't be out there more? No, those chairs
Speaker 1: are like the most uncomfortable. Y're the worst and the
Speaker 1: absolute worst. My butt was already numb for the short
Speaker 1: time that we were out there, and it's such an
Speaker 1: emotional roller coaster, Like I needed days to recover after
Speaker 1: that reunion, he was really happy. But well, you guys,
Speaker 1: I mean when you had your hot seat Michael, you
Speaker 1: shared something that Danielle, your reaction was priceless. It was
Speaker 1: like you could not make the stuff up. When people
Speaker 1: are like, oh, like things are scripted or like we
Speaker 1: saw something coming. Like your reaction to when Michael told
Speaker 1: you that he loved you was so cute, so special,
Speaker 1: So you had like just correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: You had no idea that he was going to zero idea.
Speaker 1: She had an absolutely no idea. Yeah, I've never said
Speaker 1: I love you to like closer than like three years,
Speaker 1: really two to three years, that's right. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: I've only said it to one person my entire life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I haven't said it to anybody in grade school,
Speaker 1: high school. It was just just Laura and I always
Speaker 1: make this joke like you know the word like I
Speaker 1: love you gets thrown around all the time. I mean
Speaker 1: it does on the show, but just even in high school.
Speaker 1: You know, like think about all the relationships that I've
Speaker 1: had in high school where the girl I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, a month or says like I love you
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm sorry, I just can't say it,
Speaker 1: and they just want to strangle me. But I always
Speaker 1: wanted to save it, say it, you know, and save
Speaker 1: it for somebody that I really felt it for. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to share the conversation we
Speaker 1: had Danny, but there was there was a conversation that
Speaker 1: we had about two weeks prior to that that just,
Speaker 1: you know, everything made sense and she's just an extraordinary person.
Speaker 1: I I always think about this, you know, when they
Speaker 1: like what is love? I think it's when you walk
Speaker 1: into the room with your partner and you know that
Speaker 1: everyone's looking at them and you're so you know, proud
Speaker 1: to be by their side. And Danielle is one hundred
Speaker 1: percent one of those people with someone I actually have one.
Speaker 1: I mean, tons of physical attraction. You're so beautiful, but
Speaker 1: you're I don't know, you inspire me. You're motivating, Like
Speaker 1: I'm behind you like every step of the way. Cry.
Speaker 1: I think Danny's crying. I think I'm teared us that
Speaker 1: you do an incredible job of describing love, like I know,
Speaker 1: really amazing, beautiful like love. And I think your words
Speaker 1: like really touch people, like I know Beck and I
Speaker 1: are in both loving relationships and we're so happy to
Speaker 1: see you guys have found each other and it just
Speaker 1: like your words just resonate so well, like you're amazing
Speaker 1: at articulating what is so hard to articulate about love? Yes,
Speaker 1: I thank you. I mean, obviously from watching the season,
Speaker 1: you know I get things wrong all the time and
Speaker 1: all of that, but it's it's one I should write creating,
Speaker 1: you know. But I think I think, yeah, right. I
Speaker 1: think some of it's because you know, I've felt it
Speaker 1: and because I don't throw it around like recklessly, um
Speaker 1: that I don't get it confused for what I believe
Speaker 1: it to be. It is very meaningful. And that's what
Speaker 1: I think is so powerful, is like in that moment,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not Danielle, I wasn't the one
Speaker 1: receiving those words, but I feel like everyone watching felt it,
Speaker 1: Like if he's going to say this after everything he's
Speaker 1: gone through he is going to mean it and that's
Speaker 1: what's so special. And and like Thomas has met you,
Speaker 1: Like you know, Thomas knows you way better than I do.
Speaker 1: I've only met you a handful of times. But we
Speaker 1: both when we were down in Paradise and had the
Speaker 1: chance to see you both like we've left, and we
Speaker 1: were like, man, like we really hope those two work out,
Speaker 1: Like they're so cute together, but they both have such
Speaker 1: big person Danielle. I haven't had too many conversations with you,
Speaker 1: but like we've we've demmed in the past, and I
Speaker 1: was like, she's just a real one. Like there are
Speaker 1: people that come through this franchise that either want something
Speaker 1: or you know, they do it for I hate to
Speaker 1: say this, but like the wrong reasons. And you both,
Speaker 1: I think have such pure hearts and pure intentions that
Speaker 1: the fact that you two met and now we're not
Speaker 1: all together, that's just like I mean, it's radiating through
Speaker 1: this podcast. But um, yeah, that that moment, Danielle, I
Speaker 1: loved too. Like I feel like you didn't even know
Speaker 1: how to react, like what to say, Like you were
Speaker 1: just like kind of frozen, and like I wanted you
Speaker 1: to just sit on that couch for a while, like
Speaker 1: give them a moment, like don't go to the next
Speaker 1: commercial break, like let them have this time because it
Speaker 1: was a lot to take in, but it was it
Speaker 1: was really special to see. I've been waiting for a
Speaker 1: natural segue for this and I haven't found one, So
Speaker 1: I'm just going to jump into this question. Danielle, you're moving.
Speaker 1: I am? I am. I Actually I had like two
Speaker 1: interviews today or like met spats up in um In,
Speaker 1: Ohio and uh, yeah, a lot of a lot of interest.
Speaker 1: So I'm very excited. But yeah, just trying to get
Speaker 1: the job locked down for her soon for apartments, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, hoping to be up there as soon as possible.
Speaker 1: So is that kind of the process right now is
Speaker 1: like Okay, we're going to find a job, but then
Speaker 1: we'll look front apartment. Do you have kind of like
Speaker 1: you want to be walking distance twenty minute drive? Like
Speaker 1: is there proximity preferences to each other? You know? For me,
Speaker 1: it's like I want to find the right job and
Speaker 1: right fit because that's always been really important to me,
Speaker 1: like even as um like a single woman, you know,
Speaker 1: like you want you want your like security and like
Speaker 1: that's something that like I always want to maintain and
Speaker 1: like encourage is that, like you know, women need their
Speaker 1: own financial security and like you know, put yourself first
Speaker 1: in like certain situations, right girlfriend, who it's amazing. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to get the job backed down first, like
Speaker 1: it really doesn't, um matter if that's like closer to Acroing,
Speaker 1: closer to Cleveland, and then I'll look for like the
Speaker 1: right apartment for that, for that Ofkase, But um no,
Speaker 1: Michael and I have talked about that, and we're just
Speaker 1: excited to be, you know, not eight and a half
Speaker 1: hours apart from each other. So dating in the same city,
Speaker 1: you know, a thirty minute commutes a lot better than
Speaker 1: than a flight or eight hour drives. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and there and there's and we you know, originally we
Speaker 1: discussed like her living really close. And when she first
Speaker 1: when she came a couple of weeks, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you can live right here, like right behind me, there's
Speaker 1: and then all here, and I'm like you're trying to Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's fair, but I mean in that why
Speaker 1: you Yeah, that's you. But but also there's this idea
Speaker 1: too that if if she got a you know, a
Speaker 1: cool loft or something in downtown Cleveland. It's only twenty
Speaker 1: five minutes from me. Then you know, James and I
Speaker 1: can have like, you know, staycations in the city. We
Speaker 1: lived kind of in a suburb and we can expose
Speaker 1: him to you know, just you know, different landscape and
Speaker 1: do all of that, which I which as a kid.
Speaker 1: Those are memories you're going to remember forever. Oh, that'll
Speaker 1: be fun for him. So was this something like talking
Speaker 1: about not cohabitating, because obviously you're still going to have
Speaker 1: your own separate units. But was this conversation of potentially
Speaker 1: Danielle you moving to Ohio like something that took place
Speaker 1: starting back on the beach or was it was it
Speaker 1: afterwards when you guys were removed from the show, where
Speaker 1: you were like, okay, like we can see our lives
Speaker 1: meshing together now, like let's make this change. Yeah. That's
Speaker 1: one thing that I've loved about our relationship so much
Speaker 1: is that we've really taken our time. We've gone it
Speaker 1: like our own paces, not a pace that is being
Speaker 1: dictated by the show or like, you know, people's expectations.
Speaker 1: So the fact that we didn't have that pressure, but
Speaker 1: like it just kind of started coming up more and
Speaker 1: you know, it's a long distance, like it's either gonna
Speaker 1: someone's got to move, like you want to make it work.
Speaker 1: And with m James having you know, both sets of
Speaker 1: grandparents so much closer up there and the whole family system, like,
Speaker 1: it does not make sense for you guys to move
Speaker 1: to Nashville. I had already been like ready to leave
Speaker 1: Nashville for like the last year and a half two
Speaker 1: years or so, so um, I was excited. I was like,
Speaker 1: now like this is this just makes sense right now,
Speaker 1: and we really want to make sure and you know,
Speaker 1: see if this thing is going to work and spoiler
Speaker 1: work spoiler alert totally is. But no, it was really
Speaker 1: important to me to make sure like I had my
Speaker 1: own space and stuff too, because my relationship with James
Speaker 1: is really important and I don't want to like just
Speaker 1: invade his face right away. So when we were talking
Speaker 1: about moving up, it was always no, like, I want
Speaker 1: to get my own place so then I can keep
Speaker 1: building a relationship with both of you and not just
Speaker 1: you know, be a roommate all of a sudden. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean again, another thing I just admire about you know, Danny,
Speaker 1: it's I it's so important to maintain your own individuality
Speaker 1: and relationship. Um it's so easy. You know, there's there's
Speaker 1: on one side where to become one in certain elements, um,
Speaker 1: in in in certain ways. But you know, you have
Speaker 1: to have your own life. You have to have your
Speaker 1: own passion, you have to have your own friends, you
Speaker 1: have to have your own you know. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: things that excite you, keep you young, things that you nurture, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and you put time in and she has
Speaker 1: tons of those, and so I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: she gets it. Um, And I can't wait till we
Speaker 1: she moves up here. We're trying to like figure out
Speaker 1: that time frame, shooting for February, hopefully sooner. But it'll
Speaker 1: be cool to just like enjoy the mundane and begin,
Speaker 1: you know, building this life that we've just put on
Speaker 1: hold for so long. Be able to come over after
Speaker 1: a long day at work and just get take out
Speaker 1: or make a good meal and hang out. Oh man,
Speaker 1: not just yeah the feet up on the coffee table
Speaker 1: and just do nothing us. Yeah. Yeah, that is a
Speaker 1: good feeling of not having to feel like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: only have four days, yeah, that we have to make
Speaker 1: the most of every second and just be like we're
Speaker 1: just living life together. Exactly, yeah, exactly, Yeah, so special.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see, like what all unfolds in
Speaker 1: this next chapter for you both. One thing that I
Speaker 1: want to ask you, and you know, it's one thing
Speaker 1: to be living on the beach together on this show.
Speaker 1: It is paradise for a reason. But what was like
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that you've learned about one another post
Speaker 1: filming that you really appreciate about one another or that
Speaker 1: you hate or give us the realty to give us
Speaker 1: the pettives too. You can go first. It feels like
Speaker 1: a setup. Danielle Wawless no issues the gradgy walks on UM,
Speaker 1: I know this is going UM. I would I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, on the show, I think if if you're
Speaker 1: uncomfortable on camera, I feel like you're because you're really
Speaker 1: in it. You know, you're really thinking about life afterwards
Speaker 1: versus sometimes things can feel performative as as a whole.
Speaker 1: And we were both very much in it because we
Speaker 1: knew all that was at stake outside of this um
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of the conversations that we had,
Speaker 1: you know, weren't aired and were actually kind of cool
Speaker 1: with that because those were moments that we remember, um,
Speaker 1: and that we're special to us. Danielle, you know, outside
Speaker 1: of the show and everything that you saw in Paradise,
Speaker 1: she's funny as hell. Um. You know, she's she's you know,
Speaker 1: she's the type of This is one of the best
Speaker 1: ways to describe Danielle. She's the type of person that
Speaker 1: all her friends call, like when they're sick and when
Speaker 1: they need help and all of that. Like she's the
Speaker 1: one that shows up. And it's like, that's what you're
Speaker 1: looking for in a partner all the time. Are people
Speaker 1: that show up when it matters and people that answer
Speaker 1: the phone call when you need them. And she's always available.
Speaker 1: M hm oh that. I feel like that's something that
Speaker 1: you definitely learn after the show too, because you're always
Speaker 1: available no matter what. On the show, you're on the
Speaker 1: same beach ship. Yeah. Really getting off and seeing how
Speaker 1: that prioritize that person prioritizes you, and like how they
Speaker 1: treat their friends, how they prioritize their family, like that
Speaker 1: can be so special to see, Like I know, I
Speaker 1: fell in love with Joe so much more like seeing
Speaker 1: that aspect of him in his life. Yeah, on the
Speaker 1: show everyone's it feels like not everyone, but we're all
Speaker 1: in presentation mode, you know, where who do we want
Speaker 1: to be? How do we want to be perceived? Like
Speaker 1: what are the best qualities in us that we want
Speaker 1: to showcase to the world. Um. But then after the
Speaker 1: cameras are done, you know, running, your true self comes out,
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that's that make or break
Speaker 1: point in all these relationships where you can't hide from
Speaker 1: yourself forever. You know, you can't, you can't be in
Speaker 1: presentation mode forever. The truth it's way to the surface.
Speaker 1: And when daniel Danielle's true self was coming to the surface,
Speaker 1: it was so much more beautiful and wonderful than anything
Speaker 1: I had ever seen on the show. So all of
Speaker 1: like the great moments that we have shared outside of
Speaker 1: Paradise have been I don't know, just so much more
Speaker 1: fulfilling and in Greate, I don't know, it's it's we're
Speaker 1: in a really good place. Oh, I love it. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Listening to you too talking about each other makes me
Speaker 1: want to just like go squeeze. Thomas and you guys
Speaker 1: are definitely much more articulate than I am. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I love you so articulate. I like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I tell him now, Like after he told me he
Speaker 1: loved me, I was like, every time I told you
Speaker 1: you're my favorite, I was saying I love you, oh,
Speaker 1: because I knew you were ready to hear it yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's and that's that's another thing too. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously Danielle and I you know, shared a moment on
Speaker 1: the beach about our past and losing somebody there is
Speaker 1: it's it's so comforting knowing that we both don't have
Speaker 1: to teach the person that we're with how complicated it
Speaker 1: is to go through grief. Um, you know she gets it.
Speaker 1: I mean she's farther along than I am. And it's
Speaker 1: it's cool to be able to have this safe place
Speaker 1: where we can talk without judgment or insecurities. It's just
Speaker 1: what we have to go through and process in order
Speaker 1: to become a better version of ourselves. And we we have,
Speaker 1: we established that early. And it's I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just blessed because it's it's difficult for anybody to
Speaker 1: understand how things change, you know, when you actually feel ready,
Speaker 1: because the truth is, you don't until you keep going
Speaker 1: and you actually find that person that you want to
Speaker 1: be with. Everything feels unattainable until the moment it doesn't,
Speaker 1: or until the moment it does. And so like that
Speaker 1: that was one of those AHA moments for me because
Speaker 1: you know, on the show, I did question whether or
Speaker 1: not I was ready, but it was just because I
Speaker 1: hadn't met Danielle and we didn't dive deeper and deeper
Speaker 1: and deeper into that. But once we started doing that,
Speaker 1: it was like, I am ready. I'm more ready than
Speaker 1: I thought I was. Yeah, it's like the puzzle piece
Speaker 1: thing I was talking about. Yeah, like you just found
Speaker 1: that person up fit that you found acceptance with and
Speaker 1: that's something you both deserve. It wasn't forced, no, but
Speaker 1: even with you know finding you know that puzzle piece
Speaker 1: and that like safe and that like grief is something
Speaker 1: that we're just like it doesn't define us, and we
Speaker 1: talked about that all the time, but like it's a
Speaker 1: unit we live with and it like and Michael knows this,
Speaker 1: Like there's different things that have come up, even you know,
Speaker 1: it's been twelve years since Nick passed away, but there's
Speaker 1: still things that come up that you know, make you
Speaker 1: feel scared or wonder and like you have to like
Speaker 1: keep kind of talking yourself through like what you know
Speaker 1: to be true, like in these moments and like focusing
Speaker 1: on that. But yeah, I know it's a really I
Speaker 1: want to I want to highlight. I want to highlight
Speaker 1: what she's saying here just for anybody listening, there is
Speaker 1: we all do this sometimes where we focus on a
Speaker 1: part of our life that is least fulfilled and then
Speaker 1: that feels like our entire life. And Danielle actually taught
Speaker 1: me this where you know, when you feel lost or
Speaker 1: you don't feel like you have this complete life because
Speaker 1: there are certain pieces that are out of balance, she
Speaker 1: actually taught me how to, you know, list out the
Speaker 1: things that you know to be true, like you have family,
Speaker 1: you have friends, you are supported, like you are loved,
Speaker 1: like you are smart, like like all of these things
Speaker 1: that help you. But it's it's so simple. But when
Speaker 1: you're lost in that kind of depression or doubt, it
Speaker 1: brings you back to the truth that you know you're
Speaker 1: not alone, that you have more than you ever thought
Speaker 1: you did, and you know it creates an energy and
Speaker 1: a sense of hope. Yeah, it's it helps you not
Speaker 1: just fix it on that one thing that you feel
Speaker 1: is missing in or lacking And I think it's really
Speaker 1: special that you two have found each other because, like
Speaker 1: you I had a little bit ago, Michael, you didn't
Speaker 1: have to teach the other person of like what grief
Speaker 1: feels like. You both just understand and have I would
Speaker 1: say maybe not like a level of patience, but you
Speaker 1: have that just like understanding in this foundation to build
Speaker 1: off of where you're like, you know, I'm going to
Speaker 1: have my days, You're gonna have your days. We're going
Speaker 1: to feel grief different times in different capacities, but you're
Speaker 1: still going to be by each other because you both
Speaker 1: have been through it, and I think that that's really special,
Speaker 1: especially for you to just have going through so much
Speaker 1: prior to meeting each other. I think that's why I
Speaker 1: like seeing you two together now and seeing this love
Speaker 1: story unfold of like, I'm just so happy I was
Speaker 1: able to watch it as if you were selfishly, but
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what it feels like for you both.
Speaker 1: But Danielle, what did you learn about Michael or your
Speaker 1: biggest pet peeve if you will, of him? We need
Speaker 1: to take him down and nottch I feel like we've
Speaker 1: been building Michael up so much. We got to humble
Speaker 1: him a little bit, y'all. It's hard to humble this man,
Speaker 1: and believe me, I want to. But come on, does
Speaker 1: he like not unload the dishwasher? Like there's got to
Speaker 1: be something I'm bad? I'm bad? Does leave the toilet
Speaker 1: seat up? Emisode? Does James or James peas on the seat?
Speaker 1: But currently, I mean, in our defense, we are in
Speaker 1: an all male household. You are, That is true. I
Speaker 1: get it. It's gonna have to change one day, maybe
Speaker 1: soon ish, but right now you're gonna have to change
Speaker 1: and learning I can do. I know he got out
Speaker 1: of his own way, y'all. He like told me he
Speaker 1: loved me, So there we got. We can't really complain
Speaker 1: about the baby steps. Baby yeah, go for it? What
Speaker 1: what are real? Pet peeves? We've known each other long enough. Well.
Speaker 1: I hate I have when people ask X and I'm like,
Speaker 1: and then I feel put on the spot, and then
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything. It is so hard. It's
Speaker 1: such a hard question. But I just have like I
Speaker 1: have to say, and I feel like I say this
Speaker 1: all the time. But the thing that I was honestly
Speaker 1: most shocked by was Michael as a father and like
Speaker 1: shocked in a good in like a very good way
Speaker 1: because like I've seen you know, other men you know
Speaker 1: in my life and their incredible fathers. Like don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, my dad is an incredible dad. Um. But
Speaker 1: actually watching Michael parent is like like made me fall
Speaker 1: like so much more in love with him. It was
Speaker 1: in it's it's like really it really is, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean like, oh no, here here his tears are.
Speaker 1: But like kids, kids struggle, you know, kids have sometimes
Speaker 1: where like they might feel um, you know, like stressed
Speaker 1: about something or like scared about something. And he is
Speaker 1: like the most calming, like validating force and he's really
Speaker 1: had to be bow you know, have both you know,
Speaker 1: motherly qualities if you want to call it that, um
Speaker 1: and fatherly qualities. Like he's had to embody both parts
Speaker 1: in this and it's just really it turns me on,
Speaker 1: Like it's great, like a great dad. That's the That's
Speaker 1: the greatest compliment I could ever get. And I you know,
Speaker 1: I remember when Laura passed away. I remember like getting
Speaker 1: to this point where you know, I'm looking at my
Speaker 1: son he's two years old, and I remember like saying
Speaker 1: cancer took so much from us already, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: let it anymore. And so you know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: this vowel and given I have so many flaws, I
Speaker 1: come up short literally every single day. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's really the effort and the intention that I
Speaker 1: try to parent with where I don't want James to
Speaker 1: ever use this tragedy as an excuse why he can't,
Speaker 1: you know, reach his potential. You know, it's like I
Speaker 1: don't it's it's it's a major disruption and you know
Speaker 1: that's an idea, but the way that that's executed throughout
Speaker 1: the day is exhausting. You've got to be like crazy patient.
Speaker 1: You have to be able to explain things. But there's
Speaker 1: nothing more important. There's nothing I could do during the
Speaker 1: day that I don't know. Trump's that, Um. So, you know.
Speaker 1: And Danielle's really good too. She's great at reading books.
Speaker 1: She's amazing. Oh, I have no doubt. She is an
Speaker 1: incredible woman. To now finally be part of James's life,
Speaker 1: and it's it's really special to hear you both build
Speaker 1: each other up. I think not we don't hear that
Speaker 1: often enough. And so I'm glad that we were able
Speaker 1: to have you both on to each O. There's hype
Speaker 1: partners if you will total hype partner. I love this. Okay,
Speaker 1: So for anyone going or wanting to go onto Paradise
Speaker 1: in the future, what is a bit of advice that
Speaker 1: you would each give to someone M you are never
Speaker 1: too old? I love Yes, I would say go in
Speaker 1: with an open heart and like willing to be surprised,
Speaker 1: you know. I think there's you know, sometimes people are
Speaker 1: trying to control what is really uncontrollable. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't control who you fall in love with or who
Speaker 1: you're attracted to in the real world. It just happens,
Speaker 1: and so cannot control anything happening down on that beach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why why try to do it in an environment that's
Speaker 1: even more out of your control? So, you know, make
Speaker 1: sure when you go down there, you know who you
Speaker 1: are as a person. You know, you know what you're
Speaker 1: kind of looking for. It's it's it's an you have
Speaker 1: to over communicate. I think a lot a lot down
Speaker 1: there more so, um, but it's a wonderful experience. I
Speaker 1: loved it. Um. I loved waking up on the beach.
Speaker 1: I loved you know, a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: the younger guys were like, we're not getting any sleep.
Speaker 1: We're so tired. It's like, man, you know, we just
Speaker 1: got a solid four hours. What do we have to
Speaker 1: do today? Like go to the pool drink? People like yeah,
Speaker 1: come on, yeah, Like I get it, it's exhausting, it is,
Speaker 1: but like worse things to do. Yeah, exactly, absolutely, I
Speaker 1: feel it. We'll just take that recording and we'll send
Speaker 1: it to all future paradise. Yeah yeah, yeah, and drink,
Speaker 1: drink lots of water, lots lots of water, hydrated. Yet,
Speaker 1: is there is there a moment from Paradise, whether it
Speaker 1: be like funny, sentimental whatever, um that wasn't shown between
Speaker 1: the two of you together or separately that you were like, oh,
Speaker 1: like I love that moment. I wish it was shown,
Speaker 1: or like this is something that was really special that
Speaker 1: we didn't get to share with people. I think there's
Speaker 1: a couple and Michael's going to say our painting date,
Speaker 1: uh and he set up for me, um because we
Speaker 1: have this. Uh. We were saying, now we're watching the sunset,
Speaker 1: and our biggest thing is like we just don't want
Speaker 1: to forget any memories because we know how important those
Speaker 1: are soly like to like document at those. And he
Speaker 1: set up this painting date and I have it. It's
Speaker 1: like propped up all around my wall because I still
Speaker 1: don't have it framed yet. But we painted the sunrise
Speaker 1: or sunset um. But one of my favorite moments was
Speaker 1: I had like almost passed out earlier. I had so
Speaker 1: much leg swelling it was unreal. Oh did you have
Speaker 1: like the ankle swallowing? Oh my god, no, up to
Speaker 1: my knees, Like it was so bad. Anytime they weren't filming,
Speaker 1: I was like laying down wrapped my legs. They were
Speaker 1: laying up a wall. Um. But like I had spent
Speaker 1: like the whole day like like sleeping in air conditioning basically,
Speaker 1: it just to kind of like try and catch up.
Speaker 1: And he came up after it, and um, we were
Speaker 1: just like cuddled up on like the it was one
Speaker 1: of the day beds up in like the holding room
Speaker 1: for like new arrivals and like that little area. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it just felt so like I'd missed you all day,
Speaker 1: you know, I hadn't seen you. And we just kind
Speaker 1: of like cut it up and laid and just felt
Speaker 1: so safe and happy again. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we had. We had so many moments and just
Speaker 1: celaborate on the painting. There was a earlier conversation that
Speaker 1: Danielle and I had where you know, we were talking
Speaker 1: about you know, Nick and Laura and just the reality
Speaker 1: that when you lose somebody that you share so much
Speaker 1: history with, you also lose those memories with them, you know,
Speaker 1: inside jokes don't land the same anymore. Um, there's an
Speaker 1: era of your life that you know, you can say
Speaker 1: that you carry it in your heart, but it certainly
Speaker 1: doesn't feel that way because you can't reminisce and bring
Speaker 1: it back to life with the person you shared it with.
Speaker 1: And so we were constantly talking about the importance of
Speaker 1: preserving memories, you know, between us, and so we you know,
Speaker 1: cementing them in our life so we don't forget them.
Speaker 1: And that was just this beautiful conversation that was never aired.
Speaker 1: I'm actually always glad things are not aired, where some
Speaker 1: people are like I wish they would have shown this.
Speaker 1: I like the fact that there ares, you know, I
Speaker 1: like the fact that they don't have to be shared,
Speaker 1: because everything feels when you're on there, you know, it's
Speaker 1: the Truman Joe, you feel like you have to share everything,
Speaker 1: and when you share everything, then everybody has an opinion
Speaker 1: on everything. And it's like it's just this pure little
Speaker 1: moment that we both enjoyed and at a time that
Speaker 1: just felt right, Oh, well, I want to see this
Speaker 1: painting one day. Well yeah, yeah, I get a frame.
Speaker 1: It's like a beautiful moment. Yeah, and I will attest Michael. I.
Speaker 1: Most of our conversations that I had with Thomas last
Speaker 1: year on that beach never made it to the light
Speaker 1: of day, and part of me is so relieved because
Speaker 1: I was like, this was actually actually us just talking
Speaker 1: about like real life things. Oh. Sometimes boring things like
Speaker 1: that would never make it into tea because no one
Speaker 1: wants to hear us talk about it. But like real
Speaker 1: life stuff that's so important. That makes it so much
Speaker 1: more special. But like also for you in a relationship,
Speaker 1: it's so needed. But yeah, it's it's good that it
Speaker 1: was just between you and you don't have to open
Speaker 1: up that cannon worms to the world for everyone to
Speaker 1: be like, well, I would do. It was a beautiful moment,
Speaker 1: and you know, we had a lot of We had
Speaker 1: a lot of those and you know, I everything that
Speaker 1: we shared on the beach was wonderful. Everything we shared
Speaker 1: outside of that has been ten times better. Um, And
Speaker 1: so like those types of memories, like I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know. We're like she's moving up here. It's it's
Speaker 1: more exciting than I can even articulate. It just feels
Speaker 1: like the begin beginning of something incredible and things are
Speaker 1: finally like taking shape, and that's how it should feel. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's more unknowns, and like I always
Speaker 1: end up getting in my way sometimes overthinking things, and
Speaker 1: I'm going back to this place of simplification. You know,
Speaker 1: if it feels right, run with it. And it feels right.
Speaker 1: I love that. I feel like the show encompasses so
Speaker 1: many different things. Obviously, like it's a show about finding love,
Speaker 1: but then there's a lot of other components to it
Speaker 1: as well, a lot of other components that get attention
Speaker 1: or highlighted, which is understandable it's a show. But it
Speaker 1: is so nice to talk to you guys and just
Speaker 1: like really relish and like the love that comes out
Speaker 1: of it and like the good that comes out of
Speaker 1: it and celebrate that and have you guys here today
Speaker 1: and just see like, you know, two people having found
Speaker 1: each other through this crazy experience, which is something that
Speaker 1: Beck and I can relate to, but seeing it with
Speaker 1: you two just very deserving, kind, genuine people just like
Speaker 1: warms my heart like crazy. Thank you so much. Okay, well, Michael,
Speaker 1: you've done this with me before because you were a
Speaker 1: recent guest on Happy Hour, and Serena and Danielle I
Speaker 1: don't think either of you have done this, but we've
Speaker 1: added this little portion at the end. Basically, we love
Speaker 1: to share resources. We think it's very important to share
Speaker 1: it with our listeners and our followers. So I'll start
Speaker 1: just to kick it off, and then we'll go around
Speaker 1: the one that I'm going to share this week. It's
Speaker 1: actually it's just an Instagram account and the account is
Speaker 1: at this is Dez or sorry at Underscore This is
Speaker 1: Dez with a z D easy. Basically, Dez Wilson is
Speaker 1: a creative director and his account is so cool, so impactful.
Speaker 1: I started following him. I was just scrolling through, and
Speaker 1: basically what he does is he reimagines characters from like
Speaker 1: popular movies and shows and places black characters in what
Speaker 1: was once a white character or a white TV show.
Speaker 1: So basically like the recent ones he's done is like
Speaker 1: the Adams family. I believe he did Harry Potter Twilight,
Speaker 1: and I think it's good for everyone, but especially like
Speaker 1: younger kids to see maybe their favorite movies or shows
Speaker 1: or characters replaced with black characters, because that obviously is
Speaker 1: real life. And so again his account is at underscore.
Speaker 1: This is Deaz with a Z and I thought that
Speaker 1: was really cool. I haven't seen anything quite like that
Speaker 1: on Instagram that I've come across, and so I figured
Speaker 1: that was a fun one to share. Serena, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have you go up next girl. All right, that's so cool.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that existed. I'm gonna go check that
Speaker 1: out after. Um, I really want to share this book
Speaker 1: that I read in uh when we were waiting to
Speaker 1: go on parodies, and I can't remember the name, so
Speaker 1: maybe I'll send it to you back at and it
Speaker 1: can get highlighted another time. But I follow this account
Speaker 1: called black Owned dot to and it basically highlights um
Speaker 1: small black owned businesses in Toronto or the greater Toronto area.
Speaker 1: So if you're looking to shop small black owned businesses,
Speaker 1: it just makes it really easy. I believe they have
Speaker 1: a storefront in Scarborough Town center for all my GTA listeners. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they're they're great. They're an Instagram account. Um,
Speaker 1: and they just yeah, you can shop online, you can
Speaker 1: shop in store. Um. I believe they highlight the actual
Speaker 1: businesses pages as well if you want to shop directly there. Um,
Speaker 1: I should really find a New York one now that
Speaker 1: I'm here so much. But um, there there are a
Speaker 1: great account for people looking. I love that. Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Okay, and who wants to Danielle Michael wants
Speaker 1: to take it away? Um, I have. Um, well, this
Speaker 1: is more related to healthcare workers and burnout in the
Speaker 1: trauma and stuff that they've experienced the last a couple
Speaker 1: of years working through the pandemic. But um, a friend
Speaker 1: of mine started an organization called Don't Clock Out, and
Speaker 1: it's a resource for UM nurses and healthcare workers that
Speaker 1: are struggling. It highlights the physician and nurse suicide rates
Speaker 1: and really helps to provide more resources for healthcare workers.
Speaker 1: So that's called Don't Clock Out, and it's at Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's at Don't clock Out Org. Is their Instagram and
Speaker 1: I can send that over to you guys. But all right, cool,
Speaker 1: thank you, Danielle, Yeah, no problem. And last but not least,
Speaker 1: mister Michael Um. Yeah, I recently from a friend got
Speaker 1: a book recommendation. It's called blind Spot. It's Hidden Biases
Speaker 1: or Good People, and it's pretty much what it is,
Speaker 1: the fact that we all have these particular biases in
Speaker 1: our life and they're not truths. They're just things that
Speaker 1: have found their way into our mind in one way
Speaker 1: or the other. And this book, you know, the way
Speaker 1: it's been described to me, kind of pulls that out,
Speaker 1: allows you to recognize that they do exist and that
Speaker 1: if you do want to grow into a better person,
Speaker 1: a more inclusive person, identifying them first is the first step.
Speaker 1: And so I'm really excited to jump into it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes the older that you get, the more
Speaker 1: you think you know, and you need to approach life
Speaker 1: with a little bit more curiosity and grace and understanding
Speaker 1: and realize that the experience that we have as individuals
Speaker 1: isn't the same one that everyone shares. And so if
Speaker 1: we're going to do anything, um, it's to try to
Speaker 1: at least be empathetic and try to be an advocate, uh,
Speaker 1: those you know, disenfranchised or those that are disadvantaged, you
Speaker 1: know by birth, um, and we have a responsibility to
Speaker 1: kind of uplift everybody. It's better for them, it's better
Speaker 1: for the community, and the things you learn along the
Speaker 1: way are lessons you'll keep forever. I love that. So
Speaker 1: a blind Spot what I think I think I've heard
Speaker 1: of that book. Actually, I think i've I've heard good
Speaker 1: things about it. Yeah, it's called it's called blind Spot
Speaker 1: Hidden Biases for Good People. Oh my gosh, that sounds incredible.
Speaker 1: I'm adding that to my good Reads list as we speak,
Speaker 1: because and I love the subtitle of that, like hidden
Speaker 1: Biases for Good People. I think it's so easy for somebody,
Speaker 1: and we've seen it time and time again where something
Speaker 1: happens or there's an issue in a scandal and people
Speaker 1: are like, oh they meant well, or you know, they
Speaker 1: had good intention, or there's still a good person, and
Speaker 1: like that can all be true, but you can also
Speaker 1: still have these hidden biases and still be very ignorant
Speaker 1: or careless with what you say and what you do.
Speaker 1: And so that I'm going to suck up on that.
Speaker 1: Thank you well, great, well, thank you both for sharing
Speaker 1: those and thank you too, Serena. And now it's the
Speaker 1: fun part before we have you go. You've done this before,
Speaker 1: Michael and Danielle. Again, this is your first time, but
Speaker 1: this should be the fun one. We always ask our
Speaker 1: listeners to share their rose and thorn, and this time
Speaker 1: you can do your full entire experience of paradise because
Speaker 1: obviously we've seen it all air now, so basically like
Speaker 1: your favorite best moment and then maybe one that was
Speaker 1: a little messy. So whoever wants to start take it
Speaker 1: away all right? You know my rose, I would say,
Speaker 1: obviously it is meeting Danielle and developing that relationship. Looking
Speaker 1: back and seeing how awkward it was for us to
Speaker 1: finally meet in person. There was a lot of pressure
Speaker 1: on both of us because we had talked like briefly
Speaker 1: in the past, because we had shared this, but we
Speaker 1: never met. So it was like, there's a lot on
Speaker 1: the line here. We could lose each other as friends
Speaker 1: if things don't go right, Like, is there that romantic
Speaker 1: you know connection between us? And you know when she
Speaker 1: came down it was the beginning, there was physical attraction
Speaker 1: and then as the whole thing went forward to where
Speaker 1: we are to date, like we developed that kind of
Speaker 1: chemistry and you know, my my thorn as a whole,
Speaker 1: you know, would be you know, the I would say probably,
Speaker 1: I don't know this, maybe the sleeping conditions of the
Speaker 1: bunk beds I was on the I was on the
Speaker 1: top bunk of either guy's norm and there was a massive,
Speaker 1: like five foot snake living above me. This yeah, oh
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was absolutely crazy. Um so that
Speaker 1: was definitely my thorn. Oh my god, had yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what about you, Daniel? Um? I think my rose was
Speaker 1: probably the first rose that I actually got from Michael,
Speaker 1: and he quoted back to me the song lyrics from that.
Speaker 1: I mentioned to him of a song that was really
Speaker 1: important to me, um by Grace Potter after Nick had passed,
Speaker 1: and Thorne definitely UM like, I mean doctor Carr, doctor
Speaker 1: down there was like, if we weren't in the jungle
Speaker 1: right now, I'd be tapping your knees to relieve all
Speaker 1: the fluid that was on them. But you know you'll
Speaker 1: end up with an infection in your joints if I
Speaker 1: do that here, so no tea, Yeah, girl can carry water.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. They were so big and everybody's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was like my life no normally,
Speaker 1: look like that. Oh was it painful. It hurts so
Speaker 1: tight and like it was like throwing the stability of
Speaker 1: like my knee joints off, so it felt like it
Speaker 1: was just like constantly like this, just it was so painful.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah that does not sound pleasant, but honestly, like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, well, thank you both for being here on
Speaker 1: a happy hour. It was. It really was such a
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you both together. You're somebody. You're a
Speaker 1: couple that we wanted right after the finale, and I
Speaker 1: know life was crazy, so I'm so glad we got
Speaker 1: you on now. But thank you both. Yes, I feel
Speaker 1: so lucky I got to guess this episode and be
Speaker 1: here with you guys today. We're here, and let us
Speaker 1: know when you're in Chicago, because I love to see
Speaker 1: you guys. If you were ever in California, please let
Speaker 1: me and Tommy know we would love to, oh my god,
Speaker 1: to stay anytime. So yes, we're watching you guys the Beast. Yes,
Speaker 1: So Danielle, before we let you go, I know that
Speaker 1: you have your podcast. Do you want to let all
Speaker 1: of our listeners know where they can find you on
Speaker 1: social and on your honest yeah, I would be so
Speaker 1: over the Moon. Um, the Walmed podcast, I started to
Speaker 1: support women and um members of like the lgbt Q
Speaker 1: communities and stuff in healthcare. It's a very supportive, very inclusive,
Speaker 1: very beautiful space. UM and it is at the Walmed.
Speaker 1: You can find the podcast where ever you listen to podcasts,
Speaker 1: and you can find me at DMOB. All right, thank you,
Speaker 1: Just just to confirm that's at WOMED. Correct, Yes, w
Speaker 1: O M E D. Yeah sounds good. Kay. Everyone go
Speaker 1: check her and her podcast out. Awesome, Thanks guys so much.
Speaker 1: They're such a lovely couple. Oh my gosh. I was
Speaker 1: honestly so choked up for most of that episode. We
Speaker 1: all were, because everybody kept starting to cry, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, I really don't get
Speaker 1: emotional watching The Bachelor, and that's probably not a shocker
Speaker 1: to most people, but watching their story really just like
Speaker 1: got to me. And the moment with them with the
Speaker 1: compass and then them at the finale like all the
Speaker 1: water works, and they're just both such great people and
Speaker 1: I just I love that they found each other and
Speaker 1: that they're happy and they found love. Really. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard I've heard Thomas Rabba about Michael for so
Speaker 1: long and oh my god, they were on the same season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't even put that together. And he said, how
Speaker 1: do they know each other so well? All all from
Speaker 1: the same season, and like they stayed in contact, like
Speaker 1: they've been in touch, like Thomas I think helped not promote,
Speaker 1: but like back up one of Michael's charities. I want
Speaker 1: to say, but yeah, Michael's always been such a sweetheart.
Speaker 1: Like we've had him on the podcast several times, but
Speaker 1: knowing who he is, to have him on here a
Speaker 1: few more times, and then like knowing what Thomas says
Speaker 1: about him, it's just like he's just a good dude.
Speaker 1: Like everyone that I've talked to you about that talks
Speaker 1: about Michael like he just has a pure heart. And
Speaker 1: like same with Danielle, like she's such a kind person.
Speaker 1: And to hear Michael just really reiterate that and like say,
Speaker 1: how incredible of a friend and a family member and
Speaker 1: a partner she's been. I think it's so special. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a good one And I love having you on, Serena.
Speaker 1: I miss you. I know I miss you too. It's
Speaker 1: so good to come back and hang out with you
Speaker 1: Becca and chat and reconnect with all the listeners, So
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. You know, if you ever
Speaker 1: need a guest house, I'm here. Yeah, it was a blast.
Speaker 1: Thank you as always, you are welcome back whenever you want.
Speaker 1: We absolutely love you, and I really just hope that
Speaker 1: we can see you and Joe sometime in person soon
Speaker 1: sent a lot. I feel like we haven't seen you guys,
Speaker 1: and forever truly well after the holidays, once everything dies down,
Speaker 1: will we need to get out to New York like
Speaker 1: we've been saying, Yeah, seeing that for a year, you
Speaker 1: have to come out. So it's in the book. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna definitely try maybe early next year, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be so fun. Yeah. So a huge shout
Speaker 1: out to Michael Ndamel for being here, and also to
Speaker 1: all of our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, thank you for
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