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Speaker 1: Welcome back Happy Hour listeners. I'm one of your co hosts,

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Speaker 1: Becky Koufern, and I am your guest co host for

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Speaker 1: the day, Serena Pitt. Yeah, it's so good to see

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Speaker 1: your face again. So good to have you back on

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Speaker 1: Happy Hour. It's always a pleasure when you're around. But

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Speaker 1: we are so excited to be back with you this

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Speaker 1: week to talk all about how life has been after

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Speaker 1: Paradise for the two cute love birds, Michael and Danielle.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited that they are guests today. We

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Speaker 1: have so many questions for them after the reunion, and

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Speaker 1: I just can't wait to hear how they're doing life

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Speaker 1: beyond Paradise. You know, those trips to the grocery store,

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Speaker 1: date night at the restaurant, all the little things that

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Speaker 1: all the couples look forward to once the season ends.

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Speaker 1: Just being able to walk down the street holding hands

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Speaker 1: in public, and no one understands it better than you. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you and Joel lived this last year. You are now

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Speaker 1: happily married, which I'm so I think this is the

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Speaker 1: first time I've seen you since you've visually tied the knot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it is. That's crazy. We had Joe on

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago to give his side of things.

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Speaker 1: But how have you been, how's married life treating you

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Speaker 1: anything new or different? I've been good. I feel like

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Speaker 1: everything in my life feels the same, you know everyone.

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Speaker 1: Someone said to me, I think it was Chelsea the

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Speaker 1: other day, was like, it's like on your birthday and

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Speaker 1: everyone's like, do you feel different because you're a whole

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Speaker 1: year older, and it's like, I feel the same. Our

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Speaker 1: relationship feels the same. But it definitely was very spontaneous

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Speaker 1: and exciting, and I'm definitely still getting used to calling

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Speaker 1: him my husband. That still feels and sounds so weird

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Speaker 1: to me. But yeah, it's been It's been good, and

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Speaker 1: we're still busy wedding planning, which backup, I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: can relate to the stresses of that. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: do I ever? Well? You and I had a separate

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Speaker 1: little tex threat happening a few weeks ago, and we

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Speaker 1: were talking about wedding and planning. It is crazy, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure some women and men, I'm sure just some

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Speaker 1: couples in general love wedding planning. I for one, find

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Speaker 1: it just so stressful, so anxiety. You're written I mean

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Speaker 1: like you and Joe did it right. Honestly, going to

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Speaker 1: the courthouse and just having to be the two of

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Speaker 1: you in this like very intimate, private ceremony, like very

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Speaker 1: secret I think was so smart. Yeah, we have no

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Speaker 1: regrets on the way we did it. I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: still obviously having the wedding, but it definitely takes some

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Speaker 1: of I don't want to say the pressure off, because

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like the pressure of planning a wedding's like

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Speaker 1: the actual marriage component, but it's just like, all right, check,

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Speaker 1: we're married, and now we can just deal with like

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Speaker 1: the fun of celebrating that with our family and friends.

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Speaker 1: But like, I feel like it's one of those things

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Speaker 1: like you just don't know until you get into wedding planning,

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Speaker 1: like how many components there are. It's just a lot.

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Speaker 1: It's it's both fun but also very overwhelming and stressful

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Speaker 1: at the same time. So overwhelming you're probably gonna do

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Speaker 1: it once, so we're trying to enjoy it. I know.

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Speaker 1: That's like you're telling myself. It's like it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: one in John. Yeah, one more thing, I know. We

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Speaker 1: had to bring Michael and Danielle on very soon. One

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Speaker 1: more thing. I wanted to ask you, though, have you

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Speaker 1: started wedding tresh shopping? Actually I got my wedding dress.

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Speaker 1: You did, Oh gosh? I from a shop in New York. No.

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Speaker 1: So I went home for a few days to Toronto

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Speaker 1: after we spent us Thanksgiving with Josilm in Chicago, and

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Speaker 1: I knew that I wanted to do shopping with like

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Speaker 1: my mom, my sister, my dad. Wanted to come by

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Speaker 1: and the first store I went into because our wedding

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Speaker 1: is early September, they were like, you need to get

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Speaker 1: but like it takes six to eight months to order

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Speaker 1: I definitely want to get more details. I don't want

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Speaker 1: jump in our wedding fighting chatling. Yes, okay, definitely sounds good. Um, well,

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Speaker 1: I love just chatting with you. But of course we

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Speaker 1: do have our guests of the hour, Michael end and Yell.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's just time to bring them on. Everyone,

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Speaker 1: please welcome them to Bachelor Happy Hour. Well, welcome to

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Speaker 1: Happy Hour you too, It's so good to see you

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Speaker 1: side by side. Finally, Michael, it was a short time

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Speaker 1: ago that we had just you Unhappy Hour, and I

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Speaker 1: him back very soon. And so Danielle welcome. I think

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Speaker 1: this is your first time Unhappy Hour. Correct, yeah, my

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Speaker 1: first time on Happy Hour. He's our first chance to

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Speaker 1: Joe's at Wells is wedding with both of you. He's

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Speaker 1: in that photo where you tour next to each other.

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Speaker 1: I like zoom in on Joe and it's like Dan,

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Speaker 1: yeall Michael, and like Joe's head in between them. Oh

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Speaker 1: They had a photo booth that Wells's wedding, and since

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Speaker 1: you were sick and you didn't actually go, Joe took

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Speaker 1: a bunch of like photos in the photo booth by

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Speaker 1: himself and I actually I actually picked one up and

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Speaker 1: I have one in my bedroom, not like on my nightstand,

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Speaker 1: like with a bunch of other polar fights. I raved

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Speaker 1: next to the bed. That is like, God, just like,

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I saw it. I mean I saw

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Speaker 1: the pictures from Wells and Sarah's wedding, and so you

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Speaker 1: both had obviously at that point already filmed Paradise. You

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Speaker 1: like you're not going to say no to your friend's wedding, right, So,

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Speaker 1: but you weren't each other's plus months correct, like you

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Speaker 1: know he was Wells. Wells texted me and he goes, so, Danny,

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Speaker 1: He's like no, no, no, no, no, no press, no

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, well, yeah, I want to bring

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Speaker 1: beautiful wedding I've ever seen, and it just felt really

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Speaker 1: got to meet tons of her friends that weekend. She

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Speaker 1: And I guess, if your relationships going to be spoiled,

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Speaker 1: it's glad it's in Vogue. Yeah, definitely. No. I was

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Speaker 1: of his friend's weddings last summer. So you guys definitely

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Speaker 1: Like when you say it was beautiful, I know that

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Speaker 1: that winery, it's absolutely stunning. Okay, well, so god, we

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Speaker 1: have so many questions. I don't know where to get

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Speaker 1: Let's just take it back to last week because that

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Speaker 1: was obviously Thanksgiving. It was the first holiday that you

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Speaker 1: already or laughing about Michael behind his back. It's great.

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Speaker 1: Let it again. So how does that because I know

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Speaker 1: which I knew I knew they would, um, and that's

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Speaker 1: since the Paradise finale has aired. UM, I want to know,

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Speaker 1: like patients that come in and see me and they're like, God,

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Speaker 1: now we can finally talk about it, you know, right yeah,

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Speaker 1: say his name to your friends and be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is my boyfriend, right, yeah, exactly. And it feels

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Speaker 1: it feels like it's been a while since I've had

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, like this optimistic view of

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Speaker 1: Thanks to him to be inspired for future haircuts. Yeah,

425
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like dad, I want to grow my

426
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: hair out and get a perm Yeah. I think me

427
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,360
Speaker 1: being on this show has created enough opportunities for him

428
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: to be embarrassed the rest of his life. I don't

429
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: think we need to add to any more of this

430
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: to have embarrassed your kids any embarrassing moments you guys

431
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: were so good. There was like never. I mean, I

432
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: guess time will tell you never know how things age,

433
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'm sure like the moment, like

434
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: if he ever sees you kissing, he's gonna be like you.

435
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: But we always we always tried to keep It's it's

436
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: interesting because we always tried to keep like the intimate

437
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: moments and the romantic moments like PG because of that

438
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 1: exact reason. So we never went a little bit too

439
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: hot and heavy. We're like, all right, like I'm so

440
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: attracted to you, like yes, yes, watching so back away?

441
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah for you? Yeah, maybe a problem. Wait, Danielle, you tried, yes,

442
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: I us and I'd walk up to and be like

443
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: you want to know something you want to hear like

444
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: the two hottest words ever And I'd go and I

445
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: whisper an easier condition. Yeah, I find it shot. They

446
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: didn't show they didn't show any of this. But Danielle

447
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: was trying to lure me in the boom Boom room

448
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: because I said this on a couple of weeks ago

449
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: on our podcast, like I find it shocking that no

450
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: one was in the boom Boom room because Serena, I

451
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: feel like on our season, so many people like the

452
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: boom boom rooms were occupied every night, like oh, between

453
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: Marian and Kenny and Marissa Riley, they would fight over

454
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: the boom boom rooms of like which one was better?

455
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: Like which one? Yeah, there was one that they both

456
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: liked and they would like fight that night and they

457
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: would legit go and like put their clothes or their

458
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: toiletries in the room early on to call like claim

459
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: their space. Oh my god, I know right, I'm like,

460
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: damn Thomas, like we should have just gone in here

461
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: to like get a little reprieve from the humidity. But yeah,

462
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: it was a hot commodity on our season, and it

463
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: seemed a little lonely this season. But I understand you didn't.

464
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: I understand. We also didn't want that aired. Yeah, no,

465
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: that was very much my anning as well. And that

466
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: would have been like the one especially for you two,

467
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: like the clip that they would have kept reshowing and reshowing,

468
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: so oh yeah, you would have made the trailer and

469
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: Dad getting it on this season Mom and Dad need

470
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: to okay, did you yeah, speaking Dad, did you feel

471
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 1: like you two were ever in Mom and Dad mode

472
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: for any of the cast members down there, like if

473
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: somebody had too much to drink or was going through something.

474
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: Did you like pull that role on for them? I mean,

475
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: I I feel like I was constantly being like asked

476
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: things UM for like support and and say I will say,

477
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: is the only woman of like the castmates that would

478
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: come up and be like, hey you actually you do it? Okay,

479
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: you feel it? Okay, Like it's okay if you're not

480
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: like take some space, I'm like, thank you. Yeah, Oh

481
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: that's sweet. She was actually like like the shoulder to

482
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: cry on this season. Yeah, Like I feel like I

483
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: saw her comforting multiple women, which is just such a

484
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: such a pivot. She really had that redemption moment. She's

485
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: she's a really great person. Um, she knows exactly who

486
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: she is and you know what she wants out of life.

487
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: You know she I don't know, I've got a lot

488
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: of love. I mean we both do U and we

489
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: still keep in touch with her. Who would you, guys

490
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: say your closest to UM from like your cast whether

491
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,959
Speaker 1: it was like from past seasons that you've been on

492
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: or this season on Paradise. Oh, I mean like Vanessa

493
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: and I are still like super tight for my season.

494
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: Um from this season, I'd say probably uh, flow and

495
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: like Jesidia and like Schanee and I are probably like

496
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: the closest um or like that. I still check in on,

497
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: keep in touch with um great like a lot of

498
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: a lot of good dudes on this season, I will say,

499
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: very very strong, real characters. So yeah, I mean I

500
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: I still keep up with people that went home night

501
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: one from Katie's season Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah, so

502
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm I'm still in touch with a lot of people

503
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: like um Andrew Milkovic, you know, Garrett Connor, Costello, a

504
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: lot of those guys. You know, I'm good friends with

505
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: a lot of I mean, anybody who was on Katie

506
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: season that was on Paradise, justin Aaron, James, m Andrew. Yeah,

507
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: but I was. I was really surprised with the character

508
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: of the guys from Gabby and Rachel's season two. You know,

509
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: there were I mean, everybody was really getting along well

510
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: when there wasn't you know, a dramatic storyline kind of

511
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: unfolding and sharing their feelings and yeah, we're pretty dialed in. Yeah,

512
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: we saw you guys kind of supporting Johnny when you

513
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: were out there for the reunion. That seems like you

514
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: guys kind of have a close bond. Were you upset

515
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: that you couldn't be out there more? No, those chairs

516
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: are like the most uncomfortable. Y're the worst and the

517
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: absolute worst. My butt was already numb for the short

518
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: time that we were out there, and it's such an

519
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: emotional roller coaster, Like I needed days to recover after

520
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: that reunion, he was really happy. But well, you guys,

521
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean when you had your hot seat Michael, you

522
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 1: shared something that Danielle, your reaction was priceless. It was

523
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: like you could not make the stuff up. When people

524
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: are like, oh, like things are scripted or like we

525
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: saw something coming. Like your reaction to when Michael told

526
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: you that he loved you was so cute, so special,

527
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: So you had like just correct me if I'm wrong.

528
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: You had no idea that he was going to zero idea.

529
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: She had an absolutely no idea. Yeah, I've never said

530
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: I love you to like closer than like three years,

531
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: really two to three years, that's right. Well, I mean

532
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: I've only said it to one person my entire life. Yeah,

533
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: Like I haven't said it to anybody in grade school,

534
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: high school. It was just just Laura and I always

535
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: make this joke like you know the word like I

536
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: love you gets thrown around all the time. I mean

537
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: it does on the show, but just even in high school.

538
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: You know, like think about all the relationships that I've

539
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: had in high school where the girl I feel like,

540
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, a month or says like I love you

541
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm sorry, I just can't say it,

542
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: and they just want to strangle me. But I always

543
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: wanted to save it, say it, you know, and save

544
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: it for somebody that I really felt it for. And

545
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to share the conversation we

546
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: had Danny, but there was there was a conversation that

547
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: we had about two weeks prior to that that just,

548
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, everything made sense and she's just an extraordinary person.

549
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: I I always think about this, you know, when they

550
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: like what is love? I think it's when you walk

551
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: into the room with your partner and you know that

552
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: everyone's looking at them and you're so you know, proud

553
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: to be by their side. And Danielle is one hundred

554
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: percent one of those people with someone I actually have one.

555
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: I mean, tons of physical attraction. You're so beautiful, but

556
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 1: you're I don't know, you inspire me. You're motivating, Like

557
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm behind you like every step of the way. Cry.

558
00:33:52,360 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: I think Danny's crying. I think I'm teared us that

559
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: you do an incredible job of describing love, like I know,

560
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: really amazing, beautiful like love. And I think your words

561
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: like really touch people, like I know Beck and I

562
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: are in both loving relationships and we're so happy to

563
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: see you guys have found each other and it just

564
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: like your words just resonate so well, like you're amazing

565
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: at articulating what is so hard to articulate about love? Yes,

566
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: I thank you. I mean, obviously from watching the season,

567
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: you know I get things wrong all the time and

568
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: all of that, but it's it's one I should write creating,

569
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: you know. But I think I think, yeah, right. I

570
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: think some of it's because you know, I've felt it

571
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: and because I don't throw it around like recklessly, um

572
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: that I don't get it confused for what I believe

573
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: it to be. It is very meaningful. And that's what

574
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: I think is so powerful, is like in that moment,

575
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm not Danielle, I wasn't the one

576
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: receiving those words, but I feel like everyone watching felt it,

577
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: Like if he's going to say this after everything he's

578
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: gone through he is going to mean it and that's

579
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: what's so special. And and like Thomas has met you,

580
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: Like you know, Thomas knows you way better than I do.

581
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: I've only met you a handful of times. But we

582
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: both when we were down in Paradise and had the

583
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: chance to see you both like we've left, and we

584
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: were like, man, like we really hope those two work out,

585
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: Like they're so cute together, but they both have such

586
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: big person Danielle. I haven't had too many conversations with you,

587
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: but like we've we've demmed in the past, and I

588
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: was like, she's just a real one. Like there are

589
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: people that come through this franchise that either want something

590
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: or you know, they do it for I hate to

591
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: say this, but like the wrong reasons. And you both,

592
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: I think have such pure hearts and pure intentions that

593
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: the fact that you two met and now we're not

594
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: all together, that's just like I mean, it's radiating through

595
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: this podcast. But um, yeah, that that moment, Danielle, I

596
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: loved too. Like I feel like you didn't even know

597
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: how to react, like what to say, Like you were

598
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: just like kind of frozen, and like I wanted you

599
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: to just sit on that couch for a while, like

600
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: give them a moment, like don't go to the next

601
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: commercial break, like let them have this time because it

602
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: was a lot to take in, but it was it

603
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: was really special to see. I've been waiting for a

604
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: natural segue for this and I haven't found one, So

605
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm just going to jump into this question. Danielle, you're moving.

606
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: I am? I am. I Actually I had like two

607
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: interviews today or like met spats up in um In,

608
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: Ohio and uh, yeah, a lot of a lot of interest.

609
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: So I'm very excited. But yeah, just trying to get

610
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: the job locked down for her soon for apartments, um,

611
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: but yeah, hoping to be up there as soon as possible.

612
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: So is that kind of the process right now is

613
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: like Okay, we're going to find a job, but then

614
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: we'll look front apartment. Do you have kind of like

615
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: you want to be walking distance twenty minute drive? Like

616
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: is there proximity preferences to each other? You know? For me,

617
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: it's like I want to find the right job and

618
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: right fit because that's always been really important to me,

619
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: like even as um like a single woman, you know,

620
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: like you want you want your like security and like

621
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: that's something that like I always want to maintain and

622
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: like encourage is that, like you know, women need their

623
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 1: own financial security and like you know, put yourself first

624
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: in like certain situations, right girlfriend, who it's amazing. So yeah,

625
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: I want to get the job backed down first, like

626
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: it really doesn't, um matter if that's like closer to Acroing,

627
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 1: closer to Cleveland, and then I'll look for like the

628
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: right apartment for that, for that Ofkase, But um no,

629
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: Michael and I have talked about that, and we're just

630
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: excited to be, you know, not eight and a half

631
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: hours apart from each other. So dating in the same city,

632
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: you know, a thirty minute commutes a lot better than

633
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: than a flight or eight hour drives. So yeah, yeah,

634
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: and there and there's and we you know, originally we

635
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: discussed like her living really close. And when she first

636
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: when she came a couple of weeks, I'm like, oh,

637
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: you can live right here, like right behind me, there's

638
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: and then all here, and I'm like you're trying to Yeah,

639
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's fair, but I mean in that why

640
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: you Yeah, that's you. But but also there's this idea

641
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: too that if if she got a you know, a

642
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: cool loft or something in downtown Cleveland. It's only twenty

643
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: five minutes from me. Then you know, James and I

644
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: can have like, you know, staycations in the city. We

645
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: lived kind of in a suburb and we can expose

646
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: him to you know, just you know, different landscape and

647
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: do all of that, which I which as a kid.

648
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: Those are memories you're going to remember forever. Oh, that'll

649
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: be fun for him. So was this something like talking

650
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: about not cohabitating, because obviously you're still going to have

651
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: your own separate units. But was this conversation of potentially

652
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: Danielle you moving to Ohio like something that took place

653
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: starting back on the beach or was it was it

654
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: afterwards when you guys were removed from the show, where

655
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: you were like, okay, like we can see our lives

656
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: meshing together now, like let's make this change. Yeah. That's

657
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: one thing that I've loved about our relationship so much

658
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: is that we've really taken our time. We've gone it

659
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: like our own paces, not a pace that is being

660
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: dictated by the show or like, you know, people's expectations.

661
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: So the fact that we didn't have that pressure, but

662
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: like it just kind of started coming up more and

663
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's a long distance, like it's either gonna

664
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: someone's got to move, like you want to make it work.

665
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: And with m James having you know, both sets of

666
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: grandparents so much closer up there and the whole family system, like,

667
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: it does not make sense for you guys to move

668
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: to Nashville. I had already been like ready to leave

669
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: Nashville for like the last year and a half two

670
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: years or so, so um, I was excited. I was like,

671
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: now like this is this just makes sense right now,

672
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: and we really want to make sure and you know,

673
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 1: see if this thing is going to work and spoiler

674
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: work spoiler alert totally is. But no, it was really

675
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: important to me to make sure like I had my

676
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: own space and stuff too, because my relationship with James

677
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: is really important and I don't want to like just

678
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: invade his face right away. So when we were talking

679
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: about moving up, it was always no, like, I want

680
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: to get my own place so then I can keep

681
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: building a relationship with both of you and not just

682
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: you know, be a roommate all of a sudden. So yeah, yeah,

683
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: I mean again, another thing I just admire about you know, Danny,

684
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: it's I it's so important to maintain your own individuality

685
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: and relationship. Um it's so easy. You know, there's there's

686
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: on one side where to become one in certain elements, um,

687
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: in in in certain ways. But you know, you have

688
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: to have your own life. You have to have your

689
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: own passion, you have to have your own friends, you

690
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: have to have your own you know. Um, you know,

691
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: things that excite you, keep you young, things that you nurture, um,

692
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, and you put time in and she has

693
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: tons of those, and so I don't I don't know

694
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: she gets it. Um, And I can't wait till we

695
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: she moves up here. We're trying to like figure out

696
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: that time frame, shooting for February, hopefully sooner. But it'll

697
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 1: be cool to just like enjoy the mundane and begin,

698
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, building this life that we've just put on

699
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: hold for so long. Be able to come over after

700
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: a long day at work and just get take out

701
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: or make a good meal and hang out. Oh man,

702
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: not just yeah the feet up on the coffee table

703
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: and just do nothing us. Yeah. Yeah, that is a

704
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: good feeling of not having to feel like, Okay, we

705
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: only have four days, yeah, that we have to make

706
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: the most of every second and just be like we're

707
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: just living life together. Exactly, yeah, exactly, Yeah, so special.

708
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see, like what all unfolds in

709
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: this next chapter for you both. One thing that I

710
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: want to ask you, and you know, it's one thing

711
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: to be living on the beach together on this show.

712
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: It is paradise for a reason. But what was like

713
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that you've learned about one another post

714
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: filming that you really appreciate about one another or that

715
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: you hate or give us the realty to give us

716
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: the pettives too. You can go first. It feels like

717
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: a setup. Danielle Wawless no issues the gradgy walks on UM,

718
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: I know this is going UM. I would I would say,

719
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: you know, on the show, I think if if you're

720
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: uncomfortable on camera, I feel like you're because you're really

721
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: in it. You know, you're really thinking about life afterwards

722
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: versus sometimes things can feel performative as as a whole.

723
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: And we were both very much in it because we

724
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: knew all that was at stake outside of this um

725
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of the conversations that we had,

726
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, weren't aired and were actually kind of cool

727
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: with that because those were moments that we remember, um,

728
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: and that we're special to us. Danielle, you know, outside

729
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: of the show and everything that you saw in Paradise,

730
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: she's funny as hell. Um. You know, she's she's you know,

731
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: she's the type of This is one of the best

732
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 1: ways to describe Danielle. She's the type of person that

733
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: all her friends call, like when they're sick and when

734
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: they need help and all of that. Like she's the

735
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: one that shows up. And it's like, that's what you're

736
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: looking for in a partner all the time. Are people

737
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: that show up when it matters and people that answer

738
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: the phone call when you need them. And she's always available.

739
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: M hm oh that. I feel like that's something that

740
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: you definitely learn after the show too, because you're always

741
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: available no matter what. On the show, you're on the

742
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: same beach ship. Yeah. Really getting off and seeing how

743
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: that prioritize that person prioritizes you, and like how they

744
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: treat their friends, how they prioritize their family, like that

745
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: can be so special to see, Like I know, I

746
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: fell in love with Joe so much more like seeing

747
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: that aspect of him in his life. Yeah, on the

748
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: show everyone's it feels like not everyone, but we're all

749
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: in presentation mode, you know, where who do we want

750
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: to be? How do we want to be perceived? Like

751
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: what are the best qualities in us that we want

752
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: to showcase to the world. Um. But then after the

753
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: cameras are done, you know, running, your true self comes out,

754
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: and you know, I think that's that make or break

755
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: point in all these relationships where you can't hide from

756
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: yourself forever. You know, you can't, you can't be in

757
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: presentation mode forever. The truth it's way to the surface.

758
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 1: And when daniel Danielle's true self was coming to the surface,

759
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: it was so much more beautiful and wonderful than anything

760
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: I had ever seen on the show. So all of

761
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: like the great moments that we have shared outside of

762
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: Paradise have been I don't know, just so much more

763
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: fulfilling and in Greate, I don't know, it's it's we're

764
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 1: in a really good place. Oh, I love it. That's amazing.

765
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: Listening to you too talking about each other makes me

766
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: want to just like go squeeze. Thomas and you guys

767
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: are definitely much more articulate than I am. I'm just like,

768
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I love you so articulate. I like, oh my gosh,

769
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: I tell him now, Like after he told me he

770
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: loved me, I was like, every time I told you

771
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: you're my favorite, I was saying I love you, oh,

772
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: because I knew you were ready to hear it yet. Yeah,

773
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: and that's and that's that's another thing too. Um, you know,

774
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: obviously Danielle and I you know, shared a moment on

775
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: the beach about our past and losing somebody there is

776
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: it's it's so comforting knowing that we both don't have

777
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 1: to teach the person that we're with how complicated it

778
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: is to go through grief. Um, you know she gets it.

779
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: I mean she's farther along than I am. And it's

780
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: it's cool to be able to have this safe place

781
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: where we can talk without judgment or insecurities. It's just

782
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: what we have to go through and process in order

783
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: to become a better version of ourselves. And we we have,

784
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: we established that early. And it's I don't know, Yeah,

785
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: I just blessed because it's it's difficult for anybody to

786
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: understand how things change, you know, when you actually feel ready,

787
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: because the truth is, you don't until you keep going

788
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: and you actually find that person that you want to

789
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: be with. Everything feels unattainable until the moment it doesn't,

790
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,720
Speaker 1: or until the moment it does. And so like that

791
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: that was one of those AHA moments for me because

792
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, on the show, I did question whether or

793
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 1: not I was ready, but it was just because I

794
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: hadn't met Danielle and we didn't dive deeper and deeper

795
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: and deeper into that. But once we started doing that,

796
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: it was like, I am ready. I'm more ready than

797
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: I thought I was. Yeah, it's like the puzzle piece

798
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: thing I was talking about. Yeah, like you just found

799
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: that person up fit that you found acceptance with and

800
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: that's something you both deserve. It wasn't forced, no, but

801
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 1: even with you know finding you know that puzzle piece

802
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: and that like safe and that like grief is something

803
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: that we're just like it doesn't define us, and we

804
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: talked about that all the time, but like it's a

805
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: unit we live with and it like and Michael knows this,

806
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: Like there's different things that have come up, even you know,

807
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: it's been twelve years since Nick passed away, but there's

808
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: still things that come up that you know, make you

809
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: feel scared or wonder and like you have to like

810
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: keep kind of talking yourself through like what you know

811
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: to be true, like in these moments and like focusing

812
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: on that. But yeah, I know it's a really I

813
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: want to I want to highlight. I want to highlight

814
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: what she's saying here just for anybody listening, there is

815
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: we all do this sometimes where we focus on a

816
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: part of our life that is least fulfilled and then

817
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: that feels like our entire life. And Danielle actually taught

818
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: me this where you know, when you feel lost or

819
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: you don't feel like you have this complete life because

820
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: there are certain pieces that are out of balance, she

821
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: actually taught me how to, you know, list out the

822
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: things that you know to be true, like you have family,

823
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: you have friends, you are supported, like you are loved,

824
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: like you are smart, like like all of these things

825
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: that help you. But it's it's so simple. But when

826
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: you're lost in that kind of depression or doubt, it

827
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 1: brings you back to the truth that you know you're

828
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: not alone, that you have more than you ever thought

829
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: you did, and you know it creates an energy and

830
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: a sense of hope. Yeah, it's it helps you not

831
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: just fix it on that one thing that you feel

832
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: is missing in or lacking And I think it's really

833
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: special that you two have found each other because, like

834
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: you I had a little bit ago, Michael, you didn't

835
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: have to teach the other person of like what grief

836
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: feels like. You both just understand and have I would

837
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: say maybe not like a level of patience, but you

838
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: have that just like understanding in this foundation to build

839
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: off of where you're like, you know, I'm going to

840
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: have my days, You're gonna have your days. We're going

841
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: to feel grief different times in different capacities, but you're

842
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: still going to be by each other because you both

843
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: have been through it, and I think that that's really special,

844
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: especially for you to just have going through so much

845
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: prior to meeting each other. I think that's why I

846
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: like seeing you two together now and seeing this love

847
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: story unfold of like, I'm just so happy I was

848
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: able to watch it as if you were selfishly, but

849
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what it feels like for you both.

850
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: But Danielle, what did you learn about Michael or your

851
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: biggest pet peeve if you will, of him? We need

852
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: to take him down and nottch I feel like we've

853
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: been building Michael up so much. We got to humble

854
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: him a little bit, y'all. It's hard to humble this man,

855
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: and believe me, I want to. But come on, does

856
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: he like not unload the dishwasher? Like there's got to

857
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: be something I'm bad? I'm bad? Does leave the toilet

858
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: seat up? Emisode? Does James or James peas on the seat?

859
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: But currently, I mean, in our defense, we are in

860
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: an all male household. You are, That is true. I

861
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: get it. It's gonna have to change one day, maybe

862
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: soon ish, but right now you're gonna have to change

863
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: and learning I can do. I know he got out

864
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: of his own way, y'all. He like told me he

865
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,240
Speaker 1: loved me, So there we got. We can't really complain

866
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: about the baby steps. Baby yeah, go for it? What

867
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: what are real? Pet peeves? We've known each other long enough. Well.

868
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: I hate I have when people ask X and I'm like,

869
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: and then I feel put on the spot, and then

870
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything. It is so hard. It's

871
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: such a hard question. But I just have like I

872
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: have to say, and I feel like I say this

873
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: all the time. But the thing that I was honestly

874
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: most shocked by was Michael as a father and like

875
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: shocked in a good in like a very good way

876
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: because like I've seen you know, other men you know

877
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: in my life and their incredible fathers. Like don't get

878
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: me wrong, my dad is an incredible dad. Um. But

879
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: actually watching Michael parent is like like made me fall

880
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: like so much more in love with him. It was

881
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: in it's it's like really it really is, you know,

882
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: I mean like, oh no, here here his tears are.

883
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: But like kids, kids struggle, you know, kids have sometimes

884
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: where like they might feel um, you know, like stressed

885
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: about something or like scared about something. And he is

886
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 1: like the most calming, like validating force and he's really

887
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 1: had to be bow you know, have both you know,

888
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: motherly qualities if you want to call it that, um

889
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: and fatherly qualities. Like he's had to embody both parts

890
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: in this and it's just really it turns me on,

891
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: Like it's great, like a great dad. That's the That's

892
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: the greatest compliment I could ever get. And I you know,

893
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: I remember when Laura passed away. I remember like getting

894
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: to this point where you know, I'm looking at my

895
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: son he's two years old, and I remember like saying

896
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: cancer took so much from us already, I'm not gonna

897
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: let it anymore. And so you know, it's kind of

898
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: this vowel and given I have so many flaws, I

899
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: come up short literally every single day. Um. You know,

900
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: it's it's really the effort and the intention that I

901
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: try to parent with where I don't want James to

902
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: ever use this tragedy as an excuse why he can't,

903
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, reach his potential. You know, it's like I

904
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: don't it's it's it's a major disruption and you know

905
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: that's an idea, but the way that that's executed throughout

906
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: the day is exhausting. You've got to be like crazy patient.

907
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: You have to be able to explain things. But there's

908
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: nothing more important. There's nothing I could do during the

909
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: day that I don't know. Trump's that, Um. So, you know.

910
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 1: And Danielle's really good too. She's great at reading books.

911
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: She's amazing. Oh, I have no doubt. She is an

912
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: incredible woman. To now finally be part of James's life,

913
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: and it's it's really special to hear you both build

914
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: each other up. I think not we don't hear that

915
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: often enough. And so I'm glad that we were able

916
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: to have you both on to each O. There's hype

917
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: partners if you will total hype partner. I love this. Okay,

918
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 1: So for anyone going or wanting to go onto Paradise

919
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: in the future, what is a bit of advice that

920
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: you would each give to someone M you are never

921
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: too old? I love Yes, I would say go in

922
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: with an open heart and like willing to be surprised,

923
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: you know. I think there's you know, sometimes people are

924
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: trying to control what is really uncontrollable. I mean, you

925
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: can't control who you fall in love with or who

926
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: you're attracted to in the real world. It just happens,

927
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: and so cannot control anything happening down on that beach. Yeah,

928
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: why why try to do it in an environment that's

929
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: even more out of your control? So, you know, make

930
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: sure when you go down there, you know who you

931
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: are as a person. You know, you know what you're

932
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: kind of looking for. It's it's it's an you have

933
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: to over communicate. I think a lot a lot down

934
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: there more so, um, but it's a wonderful experience. I

935
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: loved it. Um. I loved waking up on the beach.

936
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: I loved you know, a lot of a lot of

937
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: the younger guys were like, we're not getting any sleep.

938
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: We're so tired. It's like, man, you know, we just

939
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: got a solid four hours. What do we have to

940
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: do today? Like go to the pool drink? People like yeah,

941
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: come on, yeah, Like I get it, it's exhausting, it is,

942
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: but like worse things to do. Yeah, exactly, absolutely, I

943
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: feel it. We'll just take that recording and we'll send

944
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: it to all future paradise. Yeah yeah, yeah, and drink,

945
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: drink lots of water, lots lots of water, hydrated. Yet,

946
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: is there is there a moment from Paradise, whether it

947
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: be like funny, sentimental whatever, um that wasn't shown between

948
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: the two of you together or separately that you were like, oh,

949
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: like I love that moment. I wish it was shown,

950
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: or like this is something that was really special that

951
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: we didn't get to share with people. I think there's

952
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,959
Speaker 1: a couple and Michael's going to say our painting date,

953
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: uh and he set up for me, um because we

954
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: have this. Uh. We were saying, now we're watching the sunset,

955
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: and our biggest thing is like we just don't want

956
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: to forget any memories because we know how important those

957
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: are soly like to like document at those. And he

958
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: set up this painting date and I have it. It's

959
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: like propped up all around my wall because I still

960
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: don't have it framed yet. But we painted the sunrise

961
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: or sunset um. But one of my favorite moments was

962
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: I had like almost passed out earlier. I had so

963
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 1: much leg swelling it was unreal. Oh did you have

964
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: like the ankle swallowing? Oh my god, no, up to

965
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: my knees, Like it was so bad. Anytime they weren't filming,

966
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: I was like laying down wrapped my legs. They were

967
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: laying up a wall. Um. But like I had spent

968
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: like the whole day like like sleeping in air conditioning basically,

969
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: it just to kind of like try and catch up.

970
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: And he came up after it, and um, we were

971
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: just like cuddled up on like the it was one

972
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: of the day beds up in like the holding room

973
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: for like new arrivals and like that little area. Yeah,

974
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: and it just felt so like I'd missed you all day,

975
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, I hadn't seen you. And we just kind

976
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: of like cut it up and laid and just felt

977
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: so safe and happy again. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

978
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: we we had. We had so many moments and just

979
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: celaborate on the painting. There was a earlier conversation that

980
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: Danielle and I had where you know, we were talking

981
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: about you know, Nick and Laura and just the reality

982
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: that when you lose somebody that you share so much

983
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: history with, you also lose those memories with them, you know,

984
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: inside jokes don't land the same anymore. Um, there's an

985
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: era of your life that you know, you can say

986
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: that you carry it in your heart, but it certainly

987
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,479
Speaker 1: doesn't feel that way because you can't reminisce and bring

988
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: it back to life with the person you shared it with.

989
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: And so we were constantly talking about the importance of

990
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: preserving memories, you know, between us, and so we you know,

991
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: cementing them in our life so we don't forget them.

992
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: And that was just this beautiful conversation that was never aired.

993
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm actually always glad things are not aired, where some

994
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: people are like I wish they would have shown this.

995
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: I like the fact that there ares, you know, I

996
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: like the fact that they don't have to be shared,

997
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: because everything feels when you're on there, you know, it's

998
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: the Truman Joe, you feel like you have to share everything,

999
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: and when you share everything, then everybody has an opinion

1000
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: on everything. And it's like it's just this pure little

1001
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: moment that we both enjoyed and at a time that

1002
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: just felt right, Oh, well, I want to see this

1003
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: painting one day. Well yeah, yeah, I get a frame.

1004
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: It's like a beautiful moment. Yeah, and I will attest Michael. I.

1005
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: Most of our conversations that I had with Thomas last

1006
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: year on that beach never made it to the light

1007
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:00,959
Speaker 1: of day, and part of me is so relieved because

1008
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: I was like, this was actually actually us just talking

1009
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: about like real life things. Oh. Sometimes boring things like

1010
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: that would never make it into tea because no one

1011
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: wants to hear us talk about it. But like real

1012
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: life stuff that's so important. That makes it so much

1013
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: more special. But like also for you in a relationship,

1014
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: it's so needed. But yeah, it's it's good that it

1015
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: was just between you and you don't have to open

1016
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: up that cannon worms to the world for everyone to

1017
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: be like, well, I would do. It was a beautiful moment,

1018
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: and you know, we had a lot of We had

1019
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: a lot of those and you know, I everything that

1020
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: we shared on the beach was wonderful. Everything we shared

1021
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: outside of that has been ten times better. Um, And

1022
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: so like those types of memories, like I don't I

1023
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: don't know. We're like she's moving up here. It's it's

1024
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: more exciting than I can even articulate. It just feels

1025
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: like the begin beginning of something incredible and things are

1026
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: finally like taking shape, and that's how it should feel. Yes,

1027
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's more unknowns, and like I always

1028
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: end up getting in my way sometimes overthinking things, and

1029
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm going back to this place of simplification. You know,

1030
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: if it feels right, run with it. And it feels right.

1031
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: I love that. I feel like the show encompasses so

1032
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: many different things. Obviously, like it's a show about finding love,

1033
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: but then there's a lot of other components to it

1034
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: as well, a lot of other components that get attention

1035
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: or highlighted, which is understandable it's a show. But it

1036
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: is so nice to talk to you guys and just

1037
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,919
Speaker 1: like really relish and like the love that comes out

1038
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 1: of it and like the good that comes out of

1039
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: it and celebrate that and have you guys here today

1040
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: and just see like, you know, two people having found

1041
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: each other through this crazy experience, which is something that

1042
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: Beck and I can relate to, but seeing it with

1043
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: you two just very deserving, kind, genuine people just like

1044
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: warms my heart like crazy. Thank you so much. Okay, well, Michael,

1045
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: you've done this with me before because you were a

1046
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: recent guest on Happy Hour, and Serena and Danielle I

1047
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: don't think either of you have done this, but we've

1048
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: added this little portion at the end. Basically, we love

1049
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: to share resources. We think it's very important to share

1050
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: it with our listeners and our followers. So I'll start

1051
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 1: just to kick it off, and then we'll go around

1052
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: the one that I'm going to share this week. It's

1053
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: actually it's just an Instagram account and the account is

1054
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: at this is Dez or sorry at Underscore This is

1055
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: Dez with a z D easy. Basically, Dez Wilson is

1056
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: a creative director and his account is so cool, so impactful.

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Speaker 1: I started following him. I was just scrolling through, and

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Speaker 1: basically what he does is he reimagines characters from like

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01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: popular movies and shows and places black characters in what

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Speaker 1: was once a white character or a white TV show.

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Speaker 1: So basically like the recent ones he's done is like

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Speaker 1: the Adams family. I believe he did Harry Potter Twilight,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's good for everyone, but especially like

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Speaker 1: younger kids to see maybe their favorite movies or shows

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Speaker 1: or characters replaced with black characters, because that obviously is

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Speaker 1: real life. And so again his account is at underscore.

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Speaker 1: This is Deaz with a Z and I thought that

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Speaker 1: was really cool. I haven't seen anything quite like that

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Speaker 1: on Instagram that I've come across, and so I figured

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01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: that was a fun one to share. Serena, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have you go up next girl. All right, that's so cool.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that existed. I'm gonna go check that

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01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: out after. Um, I really want to share this book

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01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: that I read in uh when we were waiting to

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01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: go on parodies, and I can't remember the name, so

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01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: maybe I'll send it to you back at and it

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01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: can get highlighted another time. But I follow this account

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Speaker 1: called black Owned dot to and it basically highlights um

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01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: small black owned businesses in Toronto or the greater Toronto area.

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Speaker 1: So if you're looking to shop small black owned businesses,

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Speaker 1: it just makes it really easy. I believe they have

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Speaker 1: a storefront in Scarborough Town center for all my GTA listeners. Um,

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01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: but yeah, they're they're great. They're an Instagram account. Um,

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01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: and they just yeah, you can shop online, you can

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Speaker 1: shop in store. Um. I believe they highlight the actual

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Speaker 1: businesses pages as well if you want to shop directly there. Um,

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Speaker 1: I should really find a New York one now that

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01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm here so much. But um, there there are a

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01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: great account for people looking. I love that. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Okay, and who wants to Danielle Michael wants

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01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 1: to take it away? Um, I have. Um, well, this

1092
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: is more related to healthcare workers and burnout in the

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01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: trauma and stuff that they've experienced the last a couple

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01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: of years working through the pandemic. But um, a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine started an organization called Don't Clock Out, and

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01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: it's a resource for UM nurses and healthcare workers that

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01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: are struggling. It highlights the physician and nurse suicide rates

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01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: and really helps to provide more resources for healthcare workers.

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Speaker 1: So that's called Don't Clock Out, and it's at Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's at Don't clock Out Org. Is their Instagram and

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01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: I can send that over to you guys. But all right, cool,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Danielle, Yeah, no problem. And last but not least,

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Speaker 1: mister Michael Um. Yeah, I recently from a friend got

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01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: a book recommendation. It's called blind Spot. It's Hidden Biases

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01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: or Good People, and it's pretty much what it is,

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01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 1: the fact that we all have these particular biases in

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01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 1: our life and they're not truths. They're just things that

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01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: have found their way into our mind in one way

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01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: or the other. And this book, you know, the way

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01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: it's been described to me, kind of pulls that out,

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01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: allows you to recognize that they do exist and that

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Speaker 1: if you do want to grow into a better person,

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Speaker 1: a more inclusive person, identifying them first is the first step.

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01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: And so I'm really excited to jump into it. I mean,

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01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 1: I think sometimes the older that you get, the more

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01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: you think you know, and you need to approach life

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01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: with a little bit more curiosity and grace and understanding

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01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 1: and realize that the experience that we have as individuals

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01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: isn't the same one that everyone shares. And so if

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Speaker 1: we're going to do anything, um, it's to try to

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01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: at least be empathetic and try to be an advocate, uh,

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01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: those you know, disenfranchised or those that are disadvantaged, you

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01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 1: know by birth, um, and we have a responsibility to

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: kind of uplift everybody. It's better for them, it's better

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Speaker 1: for the community, and the things you learn along the

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01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 1: way are lessons you'll keep forever. I love that. So

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Speaker 1: a blind Spot what I think I think I've heard

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Speaker 1: of that book. Actually, I think i've I've heard good

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01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: things about it. Yeah, it's called it's called blind Spot

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01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 1: Hidden Biases for Good People. Oh my gosh, that sounds incredible.

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01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,759
Speaker 1: I'm adding that to my good Reads list as we speak,

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01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: because and I love the subtitle of that, like hidden

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01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: Biases for Good People. I think it's so easy for somebody,

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01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: and we've seen it time and time again where something

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01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: happens or there's an issue in a scandal and people

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01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: are like, oh they meant well, or you know, they

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01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: had good intention, or there's still a good person, and

1138
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: like that can all be true, but you can also

1139
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: still have these hidden biases and still be very ignorant

1140
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: or careless with what you say and what you do.

1141
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: And so that I'm going to suck up on that.

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01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: Thank you well, great, well, thank you both for sharing

1143
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: those and thank you too, Serena. And now it's the

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01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: fun part before we have you go. You've done this before,

1145
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: Michael and Danielle. Again, this is your first time, but

1146
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 1: this should be the fun one. We always ask our

1147
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: listeners to share their rose and thorn, and this time

1148
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: you can do your full entire experience of paradise because

1149
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: obviously we've seen it all air now, so basically like

1150
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: your favorite best moment and then maybe one that was

1151
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: a little messy. So whoever wants to start take it

1152
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: away all right? You know my rose, I would say,

1153
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: obviously it is meeting Danielle and developing that relationship. Looking

1154
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: back and seeing how awkward it was for us to

1155
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,759
Speaker 1: finally meet in person. There was a lot of pressure

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01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: on both of us because we had talked like briefly

1157
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: in the past, because we had shared this, but we

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01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: never met. So it was like, there's a lot on

1159
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 1: the line here. We could lose each other as friends

1160
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,560
Speaker 1: if things don't go right, Like, is there that romantic

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01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: you know connection between us? And you know when she

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01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: came down it was the beginning, there was physical attraction

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01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: and then as the whole thing went forward to where

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01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: we are to date, like we developed that kind of

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01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 1: chemistry and you know, my my thorn as a whole,

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01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: you know, would be you know, the I would say probably,

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01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: I don't know this, maybe the sleeping conditions of the

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01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: bunk beds I was on the I was on the

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01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: top bunk of either guy's norm and there was a massive,

1170
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: like five foot snake living above me. This yeah, oh

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: yeah it was. It was absolutely crazy. Um so that

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: was definitely my thorn. Oh my god, had yeah, yeah,

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01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: what about you, Daniel? Um? I think my rose was

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01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: probably the first rose that I actually got from Michael,

1175
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: and he quoted back to me the song lyrics from that.

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01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: I mentioned to him of a song that was really

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01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:35,639
Speaker 1: important to me, um by Grace Potter after Nick had passed,

1178
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: and Thorne definitely UM like, I mean doctor Carr, doctor

1179
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: down there was like, if we weren't in the jungle

1180
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: right now, I'd be tapping your knees to relieve all

1181
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: the fluid that was on them. But you know you'll

1182
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: end up with an infection in your joints if I

1183
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: do that here, so no tea, Yeah, girl can carry water.

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01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: Let me tell you. They were so big and everybody's like,

1185
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I was like my life no normally,

1186
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: look like that. Oh was it painful. It hurts so

1187
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: tight and like it was like throwing the stability of

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01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: like my knee joints off, so it felt like it

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01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: was just like constantly like this, just it was so painful.

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01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah that does not sound pleasant, but honestly, like,

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01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, well, thank you both for being here on

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01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 1: a happy hour. It was. It really was such a

1193
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you both together. You're somebody. You're a

1194
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: couple that we wanted right after the finale, and I

1195
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: know life was crazy, so I'm so glad we got

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01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: you on now. But thank you both. Yes, I feel

1197
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: so lucky I got to guess this episode and be

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01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 1: here with you guys today. We're here, and let us

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01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: know when you're in Chicago, because I love to see

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 1: you guys. If you were ever in California, please let

1201
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: me and Tommy know we would love to, oh my god,

1202
01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: to stay anytime. So yes, we're watching you guys the Beast. Yes,

1203
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: So Danielle, before we let you go, I know that

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01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: you have your podcast. Do you want to let all

1205
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 1: of our listeners know where they can find you on

1206
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: social and on your honest yeah, I would be so

1207
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: over the Moon. Um, the Walmed podcast, I started to

1208
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: support women and um members of like the lgbt Q

1209
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: communities and stuff in healthcare. It's a very supportive, very inclusive,

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01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: very beautiful space. UM and it is at the Walmed.

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01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 1: You can find the podcast where ever you listen to podcasts,

1212
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 1: and you can find me at DMOB. All right, thank you,

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01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: Just just to confirm that's at WOMED. Correct, Yes, w

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01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 1: O M E D. Yeah sounds good. Kay. Everyone go

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01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 1: check her and her podcast out. Awesome, Thanks guys so much.

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01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: They're such a lovely couple. Oh my gosh. I was

1217
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: honestly so choked up for most of that episode. We

1218
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: all were, because everybody kept starting to cry, and I

1219
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 1: was just like, oh my god, I really don't get

1220
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: emotional watching The Bachelor, and that's probably not a shocker

1221
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: to most people, but watching their story really just like

1222
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: got to me. And the moment with them with the

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01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: compass and then them at the finale like all the

1224
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: water works, and they're just both such great people and

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01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 1: I just I love that they found each other and

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01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 1: that they're happy and they found love. Really. Yeah. Yeah,

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01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,759
Speaker 1: I've heard I've heard Thomas Rabba about Michael for so

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01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 1: long and oh my god, they were on the same season. Yeah,

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01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: I didn't even put that together. And he said, how

1230
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: do they know each other so well? All all from

1231
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 1: the same season, and like they stayed in contact, like

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01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:49,760
Speaker 1: they've been in touch, like Thomas I think helped not promote,

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01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: but like back up one of Michael's charities. I want

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01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,759
Speaker 1: to say, but yeah, Michael's always been such a sweetheart.

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01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 1: Like we've had him on the podcast several times, but

1236
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: knowing who he is, to have him on here a

1237
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 1: few more times, and then like knowing what Thomas says

1238
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: about him, it's just like he's just a good dude.

1239
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,639
Speaker 1: Like everyone that I've talked to you about that talks

1240
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,600
Speaker 1: about Michael like he just has a pure heart. And

1241
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: like same with Danielle, like she's such a kind person.

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01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: And to hear Michael just really reiterate that and like say,

1243
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 1: how incredible of a friend and a family member and

1244
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: a partner she's been. I think it's so special. Yeah,

1245
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 1: it was a good one And I love having you on, Serena.

1246
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 1: I miss you. I know I miss you too. It's

1247
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,240
Speaker 1: so good to come back and hang out with you

1248
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 1: Becca and chat and reconnect with all the listeners, So

1249
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. You know, if you ever

1250
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: need a guest house, I'm here. Yeah, it was a blast.

1251
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: Thank you as always, you are welcome back whenever you want.

1252
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: We absolutely love you, and I really just hope that

1253
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: we can see you and Joe sometime in person soon

1254
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: sent a lot. I feel like we haven't seen you guys,

1255
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:53,720
Speaker 1: and forever truly well after the holidays, once everything dies down,

1256
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: will we need to get out to New York like

1257
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: we've been saying, Yeah, seeing that for a year, you

1258
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 1: have to come out. So it's in the book. So

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01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna definitely try maybe early next year, but yeah,

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01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: that would be so fun. Yeah. So a huge shout

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01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: out to Michael Ndamel for being here, and also to

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01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,560
Speaker 1: all of our Bachelor Happy Hour listeners, thank you for

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01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: joining us every week. And don't forget casting is now

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Speaker 1: you everyone for listening, and Becca, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having me. Of course, thanks Serena and everyone will

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Speaker 1: see you next week. Cheers