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Speaker 6: It is Christmas Eve Eve, and we get to.
Speaker 4: Talk about why are you laughing? You never heard of
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Speaker 4: Christmas Eve? We are we are We get to talk
Speaker 4: about a Cowboys win. That was That was a.
Speaker 3: Look anti climactic.
Speaker 6: Well it was a little anti climactic because I was
Speaker 6: I was maybe the only person that was still like
Speaker 6: Cowboys are still in it and the game I thought
Speaker 6: would be, Oh, of course they're going to win. That
Speaker 6: game ends up just falling apart. The Eagles had the
Speaker 6: game against Washington and they just found a way they
Speaker 6: refused to win, and uh so they gave up that game.
Speaker 6: So by the time the Cowboys started their game, they
Speaker 6: had already been eliminated. But we get to talk about
Speaker 6: a win Cowboys player, I think pretty well, uh in
Speaker 6: the twenty six to twenty fourth victory over the Tampa
Speaker 6: Bay Buccaneers on Sunday Night Football. So start first going
Speaker 6: around the table, I want to hear from you guys,
Speaker 6: what you think was the story of the game.
Speaker 4: Nick, Let's start with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's still a lot to fight for.
Speaker 8: If you're looking at this team, there are twenty six
Speaker 8: guys on this on this roster that are heading into
Speaker 8: free agency whenever the season ends. And you look around
Speaker 8: at some of the big contributors yesterday and you'll see
Speaker 8: a lot of those twenty six names that popped up.
Speaker 8: You could look at Jordan Lewis having the interception and
Speaker 8: a season where he's had probably the best year of
Speaker 8: his career. I think he had his best game of
Speaker 8: the season last night, and he had that interception on
Speaker 8: Jayla McMillan and the end zone that was just incredible,
Speaker 8: rip the ball away from him. You can look at
Speaker 8: a Rico Daubto over the course of season has been great.
Speaker 8: Obviously last night was not. And then Cooper Rush the
Speaker 8: night that he had, specifically the first half that he
Speaker 8: had in being able to establish momentum for that offense.
Speaker 8: If you had told me coming into this game that
Speaker 8: the Cowboys would win with only thirty one rushing yards,
Speaker 8: I would have said you were crazy. So you got
Speaker 8: to give credits to Cooper Rush in that sense. But
Speaker 8: this team fights man and Ceedee Lamb, you know, going
Speaker 8: through this ac joint injury that he's been battling for
Speaker 8: the last eight weeks. We asked him in the locker
Speaker 8: room after like why why do you keep playing? He's like,
Speaker 8: I'm fighting for my brothers. I love this game that
Speaker 8: much I want to be out there with them. So
Speaker 8: you know, that is not the sign of a culture
Speaker 8: or a deeper conversation, not a sign of a coaching
Speaker 8: staff that is going to let this team lay over
Speaker 8: over the course of these next two weeks. Still a
Speaker 8: lot to play for with a lot of these guys
Speaker 8: with so much uncertainty ahead in the offseason, and they
Speaker 8: certainly showed that last night.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I wanted to start off. I think a lot
Speaker 9: of this game was about Cooper Rush. Yeah, because I
Speaker 9: honestly I was not too the thoughts about him having
Speaker 9: to deal with linebacker pressure, him dealing with secondary pressure,
Speaker 9: him dealing with potential pressure right in his face. Hacked
Speaker 9: the touchdown pass. You know, he had to tot her.
Speaker 9: I mean he right in his face. You know, he
Speaker 9: he had you know, he was defensive lineman right there
Speaker 9: in his face. B tove right in his face. And
Speaker 9: you know, I think that he managed this thing really
Speaker 9: really well. I was worried about him being a statue
Speaker 9: back there, and but you know, when he had to
Speaker 9: make the pressure throws, he was able to do it.
Speaker 3: I was glad to see him throw the ball down
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 9: You know, we were breaking down the Buccaneers. We were
Speaker 9: talking about where this ball needs to go. That these
Speaker 9: guys give you a little cush and they play a
Speaker 9: lot of single high and they're going to give you
Speaker 9: some opportunities.
Speaker 3: And they did that.
Speaker 9: Dallas did a great job with some of the route
Speaker 9: combinations to get the ball into the middle. Of the
Speaker 9: field to make some easy throws for Cooper Rush. But overall,
Speaker 9: you know, I mean the second half their offense was nothing,
Speaker 9: but he didn't do anything to mess that game up,
Speaker 9: you know, And I think that's exactly you needed.
Speaker 3: And be steady he was. He was. We're at pinpoint
Speaker 3: with where he needed to be with the ball.
Speaker 9: He had some really good reads and you know, I
Speaker 9: want to say this, I think he outplayed Baker Mayfield
Speaker 9: last night. And it's not very often that you could
Speaker 9: say that your backup quarterback is going to outplay a guy,
Speaker 9: a quarterback who is, you know, one of the more
Speaker 9: accurate quarterbacks in the league and his team is fighting
Speaker 9: for a division championship. So a tip of the captain
Speaker 9: Cooper Rush on that one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and some of his movements, I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 7: come on, go for Rush. I'm like, I knew I
Speaker 7: liked you at some point. No, but great job by him.
Speaker 7: Also a great job by Ceedee Lamb. Once again, I
Speaker 7: think he's made up for him missing training camp and
Speaker 7: that whole conversation when he was out holding out looking
Speaker 7: for that contract. The fact that he's playing the way
Speaker 7: that he is despite the injury that he's been suffering
Speaker 7: with along the whole season. Has been very, very impressive
Speaker 7: and kudous to him. But even though this is not
Speaker 7: the storyline, necessarily the biggest storyline of the game, I
Speaker 7: am wearing the T shirt over here. So I wanted
Speaker 7: to give mister Brandon you can't even say how mister
Speaker 7: Brandon Aubrey a huge, huge shout out, because man, again,
Speaker 7: I feel like we apologize about something every week. This week,
Speaker 7: I'll bring it back again that apology from us wondering
Speaker 7: what's gonna happen with the kicker position when we were
Speaker 7: about to get hit in the face with balls at
Speaker 7: training camp and it was a whole mess. And while
Speaker 7: he keeps impressing everybody, breaking wreckers, I think he has
Speaker 7: what fourteen field goals fifty plus yard field goals of
Speaker 7: the NFL record in a season and there's still two
Speaker 7: games left and he's just he was great last night.
Speaker 7: He was perfect, he was amazing, and just wanted to
Speaker 7: give him a shout out.
Speaker 4: I will say he has the playoff for me.
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go.
Speaker 8: I will say he is in like a Barry Bonds
Speaker 8: Mark McGuire race with Kyami Fairburn because Kyamie Fairburn has
Speaker 8: Thirteen's like it's going to be like back and back
Speaker 8: and for the way, like they're just going to keep
Speaker 8: breaking each other's record until one of them finally just
Speaker 8: etches it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think one of the big keys will be what
Speaker 6: we saw last night, that team still fought even though
Speaker 6: obviously they were eliminated before the game. My question will be,
Speaker 6: and what I'll be looking at is how do we
Speaker 6: see that same fight these next two weeks, because now
Speaker 6: that you know you're eliminated, what does the preparation look like,
Speaker 6: because that's where sometimes he can get in people's heads.
Speaker 4: Once on Christmas it's over, Yeah, and it's just like
Speaker 4: I don't have to watch this much film. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't necessarily I forget this.
Speaker 3: Where're starting to make to get out of the town.
Speaker 4: It changed a little bit.
Speaker 6: And again, everything we've seen from them up until this point,
Speaker 6: they don't give up, like they keep fighting.
Speaker 4: This coach has kept them engaged. Uh, this will be.
Speaker 6: I think the hardest part for the coach to keep
Speaker 6: them engaged during these next two weeks because it's just
Speaker 6: natural everybody in the country, it's natural you kind of
Speaker 6: let down a little bit. When you get to this
Speaker 6: part of the year because it's it's the holidays, and
Speaker 6: especially if there are no games that really are going
Speaker 6: to matter for the postseason. Obviously I wonder how that works.
Speaker 6: But everything I've seen so far, I give a lot
Speaker 6: of credit to coach McCarthy and this coaching staff because
Speaker 6: despite everything that's happened in season, and how much they
Speaker 6: could have just let everything go in the tank, they
Speaker 6: did not.
Speaker 4: They kept playing hard.
Speaker 7: It's an interesting point you make there because even though
Speaker 7: they found out they were already eliminated before playing the game,
Speaker 7: the preparation of the race was there, it was done.
Speaker 7: They took care of it. They were heading into that
Speaker 7: game as if they were still in the run or
Speaker 7: there was still a chance. So you saw the reflection
Speaker 7: of that. Now it's gonna be interesting watching what happens
Speaker 7: is in this next two weeks. But like you said,
Speaker 7: everything we've seen so far is that they're not giving
Speaker 7: up and they're gonna keep going out there and again,
Speaker 7: when you loose, when it comes down to the game,
Speaker 7: they're gonna show up and play hard because physically that's
Speaker 7: how you get through the game and you it avoids
Speaker 7: you from potential injuries that could occur, but it'll be
Speaker 7: interesting to see you. As far as preparation throughout the weeks.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think they're playing hard for each other. You know,
Speaker 9: McCarthy and the coaches. You can absolutely tip your cap
Speaker 9: to him. Nobody on short weeks gets his team ready
Speaker 9: more than this guy. I'll give him credit for that.
Speaker 9: Nick mentioned it in his open statement though, twenty seven guys,
Speaker 9: twenty seven guys, you're trying to put good film out there.
Speaker 9: Guys like Jordan Lewis, Guys like OsO Diggi Zua, guys
Speaker 9: like Chauncey Golston. You know, they've got some guys that
Speaker 9: really aren't established as well. You know, you look at
Speaker 9: brock Hoffman making nine hundred and twenty seven dollars, not
Speaker 9: established as a as a right guard, not established really
Speaker 9: as a player, really first time opportunity playing.
Speaker 3: At a very high level.
Speaker 9: If you look at the value over how that kind
Speaker 9: of translates, he's like a sixteen million dollar player playing
Speaker 9: guard for you right now. So they're getting a lot
Speaker 9: of guys that are stepping up way beyond what their
Speaker 9: pay is, and I think that's impressive. I think that
Speaker 9: they're like I say, if this was a team like
Speaker 9: say the New York Jets or another team that's a
Speaker 9: veteran team, this thing amount have gone south a lot faster.
Speaker 9: You know, we're seeing some teams that are just older
Speaker 9: veteran teams that are like they don't see they see.
Speaker 3: The light at the end of the tunnel.
Speaker 9: Its the oncoming train, you know, and they're trying to
Speaker 9: get out of the season. Nobody's trying to get hurt.
Speaker 9: But there's you know, the coaches are coaching for their jobs,
Speaker 9: the players are playing for new contracts.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 9: It's it's it's a recipe for to continue to try
Speaker 9: and do things the right way instead of throwing in
Speaker 9: the towel and letting the think.
Speaker 3: Fall completely heart.
Speaker 9: If I give credit to one more player that I
Speaker 9: don't think we mentioned, Nick Vigil played his ass off
Speaker 9: last night for you. And Nick's usually the guy who
Speaker 9: never practices because he's got Nick tells you he's got
Speaker 9: a foot injury. Every week he tells you he's not
Speaker 9: going to practice foot injury. He's out playing. Last night,
Speaker 9: his ten tackles you were worried about. You were worried about,
Speaker 9: where were the tackles going to come from, and especially
Speaker 9: against a team that physically runs the football. You know,
Speaker 9: Kendrick's last minute scratch. Basically, Nick Vigil having a step
Speaker 9: in probably didn't get a whole hell of a lot
Speaker 9: of work.
Speaker 3: Great job by.
Speaker 9: Him doing what he needed to do to get that
Speaker 9: done for the defense last night.
Speaker 4: Yep, all right, let's take our first break.
Speaker 6: When we come back, we'll dive deeper into some of
Speaker 6: these conversations. We'll talk about the offense and we'll talk
Speaker 6: about First up, we'll be Cooper Rush and his night
Speaker 6: last night. We'll talk about it. And when we come back,
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Speaker 6: After the Philadelphia game, don't even bring not just that
Speaker 6: game was so they just everything about it that the
Speaker 6: Eagles were just so far advanced, Like it's like, how
Speaker 6: are they?
Speaker 4: How did they not win that game?
Speaker 3: It just they reverted back to some of their old
Speaker 3: ways of playing defense.
Speaker 6: I mean, I know they lost some guys so that
Speaker 6: that certainly didn't help.
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Speaker 9: They're breathing Cincinnati game and you can there's so many
Speaker 9: games you wish There's so many games you wish had back.
Speaker 9: He wish he could be playing New Orleans this week. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I mean just playing Atlanta this week. I mean, I
Speaker 9: know Atlanta, I mean, how about Atlanta?
Speaker 3: Quick? How about Michael Pennick? Though? How about that? Your
Speaker 3: your division is on the line, and you've now gone
Speaker 3: to the rookie quarterback.
Speaker 9: Yeah, to go win the same Michael Pennick though one
Speaker 9: at Indiana, won at Washington.
Speaker 3: He's been a winner.
Speaker 4: He played his butt off. Yes, yeah, that was a
Speaker 4: good game for him.
Speaker 3: Good game to play against the Giants though.
Speaker 4: No doubt to get you started.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but it got you.
Speaker 9: It got you momentum you needed to maybe close this
Speaker 9: thing out and win the South.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt. All right, let's let's talk about Cooper Rush.
Speaker 6: Yesterday, he was twenty six thirty five seventy four percent
Speaker 6: completion rate, two hundred and ninety two yards in the air,
Speaker 6: one touchdown, zero interceptions, a one oh eight point three
Speaker 6: passer rating. Here's what I what I also noticed as
Speaker 6: I was looking at some of the advanced stats on
Speaker 6: the game, he actually only faced pressure on seventy five percent.
Speaker 4: Of his dropbacks.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: And on those drop backs he was twenty three of
Speaker 6: twenty seven for twohundred and sixty eight yards. On the
Speaker 6: ones where he faced pressure twenty five percent of them,
Speaker 6: he was only three of eight for twenty four.
Speaker 4: Yards with an eighty five passer rating.
Speaker 6: Do you think a lot of what we saw yesterday
Speaker 6: from Cooper Rush, which I think may have been his
Speaker 6: best game this year as a starter, do you think
Speaker 6: a lot of that was about the fact that they could,
Speaker 6: in a stat or the Buccaneers could not consistently get
Speaker 6: pressure on him, and when he's not pressured, he can
Speaker 6: tear you apart.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think it's also a
Speaker 8: combination of him just being more comfortable. As a season
Speaker 8: goes on, we're starting to see what reps could do
Speaker 8: for him. Because even on the Jalen Tolbert touchdown, specifically
Speaker 8: third down play, Vidavea absolutely blows up Brockaffman. Bro Kaffman
Speaker 8: had a tough day yesterday, but Vidavea blows up brock
Speaker 8: Kaffman and get and Cooper Rush knows he's going to
Speaker 8: take a hit, he stands in and puts a perfect
Speaker 8: ball over the middle of the Jaalen Tolber, who hauls
Speaker 8: it in for the touchdown.
Speaker 2: I think it's just that type of comfortability.
Speaker 8: I don't think we saw in the first two or
Speaker 8: three games that that he had whenever he came in
Speaker 8: a start of this year. He had said last week
Speaker 8: after the Carolina game that he feels like he's playing
Speaker 8: the best football of his career right now.
Speaker 2: And I understand why.
Speaker 8: He sees that, why he believes that he's starting to
Speaker 8: stack really good reps and it's starting to pay dividends
Speaker 8: for this offense. I think also some credit has to
Speaker 8: be given to the play caller as well. Coming out
Speaker 8: and just establishing confidence for Cooper Rush in this game,
Speaker 8: I think was really important. You understood that you had
Speaker 8: you were most likely going to have a running game
Speaker 8: that cannot get going against a really good defensive front,
Speaker 8: against a really good second level in Tampa Bay. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 8: I need Cooper Rush to help me win this game.
Speaker 8: Let me build confidence for him. Let me take the
Speaker 8: ball on the coin toss let's let's receive, let's build
Speaker 8: confidence for Cooper. They come out on that first possession,
Speaker 8: they run a bunch formations the whole time, quick past
Speaker 8: the entire time, six for six, twenty one yards on
Speaker 8: that opening drive, and just quick, quick, quick, quick action.
Speaker 8: Get his brain moving quick, get those completions out in front.
Speaker 8: Even if it did end in only three points, it
Speaker 8: ended in points and an established confidence for this offense.
Speaker 8: I think it did wonders for this offense as the
Speaker 8: game went on. And when Cooper Rush is confident, I
Speaker 8: think he plays it his best.
Speaker 3: He's a Heisman Trophy killer, isn't he.
Speaker 2: Yeah look for that, Yeah, four of them.
Speaker 3: He's taking down these Heisman Trophy winners. So I love that.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 9: Both these quarterbacks played really well against man coverage, though,
Speaker 9: and you watch the game and stuff like that. I
Speaker 9: mean it was like a Baker Mayfield was just looking
Speaker 9: at his numbers. He was eleven of twelve for a
Speaker 9: buck thirty nine and Cooper was five or six for
Speaker 9: sixty three. You know, against man coverage, and you know
Speaker 9: both guys. Cooper was a little bit better against the
Speaker 9: zone coverage stuff that sin say that Tampa bay was
Speaker 9: thrown at him.
Speaker 3: I'll say this if you want to.
Speaker 9: You know, I was critical of Tolbert the route he
Speaker 9: ran on the touchdown. I mean, give Cooper Rush a
Speaker 9: lot of credit because you're going to watch the tape
Speaker 9: and you're going to see Cooper Rush drop back and
Speaker 9: he holds the ball. They're going to try and run
Speaker 9: that thing across. They're going to try and run Tolbert
Speaker 9: inside along the goal line and see if they can
Speaker 9: hit him in the.
Speaker 3: Middle of the field.
Speaker 9: But what happens is David the linebacker, cuts him off,
Speaker 9: and so now he has to adjust the route to
Speaker 9: go north. And so Cooper Rush realized what was about
Speaker 9: to happen, and he just allowed Tolbert to clear and
Speaker 9: then got him the football. David fell down in the route,
Speaker 9: So that was a really good read by Tober to
Speaker 9: get north, and then Cooper rushed to standing there knowing
Speaker 9: that a three hundred and fifty pounds man was about
Speaker 9: the delivereral blow on him. So good for good for
Speaker 9: both those guys getting it done.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm having a hard time trying to not
Speaker 7: allow myself mentally to get fooled by what's happening at
Speaker 7: the end of the season, keeping in mind the opponents
Speaker 7: that they faced this a few weeks, Yes, and they've
Speaker 7: been competitive. And what you've seen on the offense, you
Speaker 7: have to give credit to Mike McCarthy and the way
Speaker 7: he has adjusted the play calling and helping position his
Speaker 7: players in a better position with the calls. And also,
Speaker 7: like Nick mentioned, I mean Cooper Rushia. Obviously you expect
Speaker 7: anybody to come in and get better as the weeks
Speaker 7: go by, so you can see him be more comfortable
Speaker 7: and more confident. But when I said me not getting
Speaker 7: fooled by what's happening at the end of the season,
Speaker 7: it's like I've been very set on why I mean,
Speaker 7: Mike McCarthy back as the head coach, but not as
Speaker 7: the play caller. And even though I like what he
Speaker 7: has done this past couple of weeks, I'm trying to, Hey,
Speaker 7: remember what what happened throughout.
Speaker 2: The Remember the whole season.
Speaker 7: It's and the knives that went through my heart every loss.
Speaker 7: So it's going to be interesting what's going to happen,
Speaker 7: you know, with his contract and what the Cowboys decided
Speaker 7: to do with.
Speaker 3: Him extending Yeah, going to extending, Yeah, run this thing.
Speaker 2: Back you're extending Mike Zimmer as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're they're the package.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the package.
Speaker 9: It's like I think the people, I think, the people
Speaker 9: that want Mike McCarthy back to appreciate Mike McCarthy, are
Speaker 9: probably going to get their wish. Never seen the general
Speaker 9: manager more giddy about a seven and eight team than
Speaker 9: he is right now. He is him and Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 9: and you know what, the folks like me that that
Speaker 9: want to move on from him, you know what, we're
Speaker 9: probably not going to get our wish here, and this
Speaker 9: is you know that ed happens. But this general manager,
Speaker 9: obviously him Stephen Jones, feel very comfortable. Will McClay feel
Speaker 9: very comfortable with him. They're excited about the way the
Speaker 9: team is playing. I think he has a hand of it.
Speaker 9: I also think, as I mentioned, the players have a
Speaker 9: hand in it, trying to get good tape out there
Speaker 9: in case they move on. So never seen the general
Speaker 9: manager this happy about a coach, and so to me
Speaker 9: go ahead and extend and make everybody happy, get on
Speaker 9: the phone called don Yee right now and get this
Speaker 9: thing done.
Speaker 8: I think part of the conversation that has to be
Speaker 8: had specifically on the offensive side of the ball as
Speaker 8: it pertains to McCarthy as a play caller, as the
Speaker 8: head coach all of those things. Is you have Dak
Speaker 8: Prescott for four more years, and looking at his age,
Speaker 8: you would have to assume that it might only be
Speaker 8: four more years. Are you willing to risk This is
Speaker 8: just the question they have to ask themselves. Are they
Speaker 8: willing to risk signing him to a to three year
Speaker 8: extension and if it doesn't work out, changing coordinators with
Speaker 8: only about a year or two left and down now.
Speaker 8: I think that's that's something that they really have to
Speaker 8: think about when it comes around.
Speaker 3: I don't think they have. I don't think they have.
Speaker 3: You think they have what I don't think they have.
Speaker 9: I think they've made a decision on Mike McCarthy. I do, Yeah,
Speaker 9: I do. I think they're I think they're totally comfortable
Speaker 9: with Mike McCarthy. You know, I'd love to I'd love
Speaker 9: to hear them this week talk about you know, hey,
Speaker 9: we're going to extend Mike McCarthy. We're working on an
Speaker 9: extension right now.
Speaker 7: Are you kidding him? As a boy caller?
Speaker 3: Sure? Sure? Keeping everything the same.
Speaker 7: M you like pain?
Speaker 2: I I don't know if I I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't know if they've made the decision, though I
Speaker 8: think that Jerry was pressed about it a little bit loud.
Speaker 3: I think they have. I think they're really I don't
Speaker 3: think that.
Speaker 9: I don't think you would if you were not tremendously
Speaker 9: happy with the direction this thing has been going, you
Speaker 9: wouldn't have the reactions that he's been having, and we've had.
Speaker 9: We've had Jerry Jones Stephen Jones on our station four
Speaker 9: times a week, all four you know, four times a week,
Speaker 9: and every single time nothing but positivity. And some point
Speaker 9: you say, yes, you have to be positive, or you
Speaker 9: just say no comment about that, you know. But I
Speaker 9: I the way that the way that they're acting right now,
Speaker 9: I think they've got their guy in mind.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know if they have their their mind
Speaker 6: made up or not. What I will say is being positive.
Speaker 6: They're being being overly powered. Positive for Jerry is normal
Speaker 6: like that You're we're acting like that's not normal for Jerry.
Speaker 6: Jerry is extremely optimistic, and Jerry is extremely That's why
Speaker 6: I always That's why I But my point is, even
Speaker 6: when the decision ends up being something different, Jerry tends
Speaker 6: to be publicly very positive, like he tends to be
Speaker 6: a very positive, sure person when it comes to how
Speaker 6: he portrays the team to the general public.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if that means.
Speaker 6: I don't know if I'm taking any clues from that
Speaker 6: that he's made a decision one way or the other.
Speaker 6: I think this is typical Jerry, that Jerry's gonna always
Speaker 6: be optimistic, and when he sees something that gives him
Speaker 6: even more reason to be optimistic, he's gonna be even
Speaker 6: more optimistic.
Speaker 4: Like that's just how he is.
Speaker 6: I don't know that that necessarily means anything to me
Speaker 6: about what the decision will be.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I respect, we disagree, and I disagree in a
Speaker 9: way because I feel like to me that they are
Speaker 9: totally comfortable with Mike McCarthy as their head coach.
Speaker 3: They are totally comfortable with him as that.
Speaker 4: And that may be the case.
Speaker 6: All I'm saying is I don't think that that how
Speaker 6: Jerry is portraying the team and his happiness for the
Speaker 6: for the fact that they're playing well the last five weeks. Sure,
Speaker 6: I don't think that that's necessarily the indicator. I just
Speaker 6: think that's who Jerry is Jerry. We always always talk
Speaker 6: about Jerry being so optimistic. He's extremely optimistic when it
Speaker 6: comes to how he portrays the team.
Speaker 9: How hard would it be for him to walk away
Speaker 9: from Mike McCarthy if in fact that that the way
Speaker 9: that they're they're playing right now.
Speaker 6: To be honest with I do I do think that
Speaker 6: if you would have gone back, if you.
Speaker 4: Say where was Jerry six weeks ago to where he
Speaker 4: is now, then I agree with you.
Speaker 6: I think he's probably more in a boat right now
Speaker 6: where it's like, man, it's it's hard to let him
Speaker 6: go when I've seen the last.
Speaker 3: I don't think he wants to go through another interview
Speaker 3: process myself. I just don't.
Speaker 4: Again, I don't know that.
Speaker 7: We don't know McCarthy wanting to come back. That's another
Speaker 7: thing like we don't. We don't know because again, he.
Speaker 9: Was really disappointed before in pregame you listened to Brad
Speaker 9: shamp ask him.
Speaker 3: Questions, Yeah, he was, he was totally he was totally.
Speaker 9: Uh, just in the tank about not being in the playoffs,
Speaker 9: you know, and so you know, to me, I mean
Speaker 9: I think that a guy that if he didn't want
Speaker 9: to be here, I don't think he would be that way.
Speaker 3: I don't think he would feel that way.
Speaker 7: The only reason I bring that up. And I'm not
Speaker 7: gonna bring a bunch of stuff on the air about this,
Speaker 7: but we have heard little things in inner. I'm trying
Speaker 7: to keep my job. No, I'm just kidding. No, I
Speaker 7: am keeping my job. But my point is when you
Speaker 7: listen through to interviews throughout the season from my McCarthy,
Speaker 7: there have been times where he gives that an answer.
Speaker 7: What it makes you wonder or think more when whenever
Speaker 7: he maybe about the running backs and the running game
Speaker 7: or what was happening in the game. So you hear
Speaker 7: his frustration and it leads me to think, Okay, is
Speaker 7: he actually happy here? Not to say that he's not,
Speaker 7: because he's been here and he's committed to the team,
Speaker 7: and you've seen that, and you saw that specifically in
Speaker 7: that interview that you mentioned, Brian, but it makes me wonder,
Speaker 7: is he wanting to go through all of this in
Speaker 7: this scene where it's the Dallas Cowboys and we're in
Speaker 7: the start And sometimes when you watch the frustration and
Speaker 7: just the toll that it takes on you emotionally having
Speaker 7: to deal with the amount of pressure here, it just
Speaker 7: makes me wonder is he wanting to do that again
Speaker 7: and stay here in Dallas. Well, I don't know, we'll see.
Speaker 6: The reality is he has just as much say in
Speaker 6: this as the organization does because he is a free
Speaker 6: agent essentially after the.
Speaker 4: Season is over.
Speaker 6: So if he chooses to leave, he has every right
Speaker 6: and ability to be able to leave. So it is
Speaker 6: a two way thing here. This is not just the
Speaker 6: Cowboys's eye whether.
Speaker 9: Sees how that signed players, he's going to get He's
Speaker 9: gonna be the highest paid coach in the league.
Speaker 3: I'm saying that, kidding.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the perspective.
Speaker 6: That on air, right, because people that are just listening,
Speaker 6: if you if you, if you wait and if you
Speaker 6: wait around here, you get your extension.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get nick saving money.
Speaker 8: I'd be curious to know from Jerry's perspective, if his
Speaker 8: mind was made up, why not.
Speaker 2: Just come out and say it last night after the game?
Speaker 3: Oh I think you know what that That's what I've
Speaker 3: been asking. Yeah, I mean I've been asking the same thing.
Speaker 9: As happy as they are about this guy, as happy
Speaker 9: as in giddy as he appears to be, and talking
Speaker 9: about him in such a glowing and my gosh, you're
Speaker 9: playing hard for him, and they're doing this and doing that.
Speaker 9: That's what I'm saying, Go go extend him now. I
Speaker 9: don't need I don't need you to tell me that
Speaker 9: they're you know that, they're just go do it.
Speaker 3: Go get the extension done this week and and and
Speaker 3: or put it all the rest.
Speaker 9: Maybe he will, Maybe he'll come on our shows this
Speaker 9: week and say, you know what, I've made it this decision.
Speaker 9: We're gonna bring Mike back, and I'm working on a
Speaker 9: contract extension with Don Ye right now.
Speaker 8: I doubt McCarthy would want to do that with two
Speaker 8: weeks left, Just knowing how he's been communicating about this
Speaker 8: process the whole time, I doubt he would even open
Speaker 8: that conversation till the season's over. I'm just kind of
Speaker 8: thinking and thinking out loud here.
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Speaker 6: All right, so let's talk about the running game. The
Speaker 6: running game had really been kind of the backbone of
Speaker 6: this offense for the last couple weeks, really few weeks,
Speaker 6: and then yesterday it just was not there.
Speaker 4: Ric o'daldle was.
Speaker 6: Thirty, had thirteen carries for twenty three yards of one
Speaker 6: point eight average check out some of these advanced metrics.
Speaker 6: He was fifty four percent against the stack They ran
Speaker 6: fifty four percent of the time against a stack box, so
Speaker 6: he was facing it up.
Speaker 4: Bill Battle.
Speaker 9: It's some one of the worst teams in the league
Speaker 9: when it comes to run against stack boxes, and the
Speaker 9: Buccaneers play at more than anybody.
Speaker 8: Cooper rushed that yes, right too. So just backing up
Speaker 8: your your great scouting on last last week, I was like, oh,
Speaker 8: Brian brought it said that last week.
Speaker 2: He must have been watching the break.
Speaker 6: So here's my question, though, do you think that the
Speaker 6: stack box and what they were doing there actually opened
Speaker 6: up the passing game more? And that's why you saw
Speaker 6: such great production by the passing game in Cooper rush.
Speaker 8: You saw more one on ones yesterday was I think
Speaker 8: you've seen all season? So yeah, I think that's that's
Speaker 8: certainly the case. And dealing with a backup safety on
Speaker 8: the back end with Antoine Winfield out, there were advantages
Speaker 8: that could be taken here. I again respect to the
Speaker 8: play caller, there was a couple instances where they were
Speaker 8: able to just isolate guys and have speed against non speed.
Speaker 8: And for example, the play that comes to mind is
Speaker 8: you think back to last week when they had those
Speaker 8: two Cavante Turpin carries for twenty seven yards in Carolina
Speaker 8: and just lining him up in the backfield, handing it
Speaker 8: to him like a straight up running back. They line
Speaker 8: him up in the backfield for the first time last
Speaker 8: night and they go play action to him. Cooper rolls
Speaker 8: to his left and Brandon Cooks and one on one
Speaker 8: with a guy is just blowing by his coverage. It's
Speaker 8: the longest reception Brandon Cooks had all year for twenty
Speaker 8: nine yards. I believe that was in the first quarter.
Speaker 8: Set up that first touchdown pass, and I think with
Speaker 8: those stacked boxes it certainly helped a lot with his
Speaker 8: passing game.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think to me when you when you watch it,
Speaker 9: and Mike did a nice job.
Speaker 3: You're talking about set it up.
Speaker 9: He gets a twelve yard run with They get the
Speaker 9: thing blocked on the backside really well. Smith does a
Speaker 9: great job of cutting off his guy and then they.
Speaker 3: Kind of get Vida Veya.
Speaker 9: Secured and you know, next thing you know, Turpen's to
Speaker 9: the hole, through the hole, makes a guy miss, and
Speaker 9: now you're got a twelve yard gain. They come back
Speaker 9: in the very same formation like Nick's talking about they
Speaker 9: go heavy play action right off it and it and
Speaker 9: the play. The fact that they'd ran a play for
Speaker 9: twelve yards the previous brought all the linebackers up and
Speaker 9: brought the safety up off and that that's exactly where
Speaker 9: Cooks went. So safety comes up. Cooks runs by a
Speaker 9: ball right there. You know, Cooper did a nice job
Speaker 9: but kind of sliding to his left and making sure
Speaker 9: that ball got out.
Speaker 3: But just the threat of.
Speaker 9: That brought the brought the the Buccaneer defense up and
Speaker 9: then created some space for them to work with. But
Speaker 9: it was going to be tough to run the ball
Speaker 9: against these guys. I mean it was you know, they
Speaker 9: like say Dallas just does not run well against the
Speaker 9: stack box three point four yards of carry. I mean,
Speaker 9: even with Rico Daddle, he's one of the been one
Speaker 9: of the most successful running backs in the league when
Speaker 9: it comes to you know, with the positive carries or
Speaker 9: you know, gains of four plus yards of carry successful carries,
Speaker 9: and yesterday he you know, you just look at the
Speaker 9: you look at the metrics and with guys on and
Speaker 9: off the field for the Buccaneers, their defense, I mean
Speaker 9: one point six one point six one point six, one
Speaker 9: point five, zero point nine, you know, two point one.
Speaker 3: I mean that's nothing.
Speaker 9: That's nothing when it comes to yards to carry with
Speaker 9: those defenders on the field, and then you flip it
Speaker 9: on the other way, you know, Dallas said some guys
Speaker 9: on the field it was about almost six yards of
Speaker 9: carry and some of those instances. But you know that
Speaker 9: it was the passing game is what got it done
Speaker 9: because you were able to handle the linebacker pressure and
Speaker 9: you and you didn't get you didn't get hurt by
Speaker 9: any stuff that they usually do from the secondary.
Speaker 3: Cooper Rush did a great job of getting the ball
Speaker 3: out for that.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you what you talking about the rush defense
Speaker 8: for the Cowboys. Complimentary football helped this defense out more
Speaker 8: than any other game in the season because have you
Speaker 8: not been playing from ahead the entire game, that running
Speaker 8: game would have caught up and it would have beat
Speaker 8: you down before the end of the game. So I
Speaker 8: complimentary football really worked for the defensive side this time.
Speaker 8: I think that's the first time we could say that
Speaker 8: this year unless I'm forgetting a game where it was
Speaker 8: more evident.
Speaker 7: Well, I was just gonna say that's where it comes
Speaker 7: down to, because you look at all the stats. I mean,
Speaker 7: the Bucks they beat you in every stat just by
Speaker 7: a little bit more time, possession, the yards, and when
Speaker 7: it comes down to it, the only place that the
Speaker 7: Cowboys beat them at was in turnovers with the defense
Speaker 7: and what they were able to do. And it just
Speaker 7: goes to show once again that when you are able
Speaker 7: to turn if you win the turnover battle, more often
Speaker 7: than not, you're winning that game. And the defense once
Speaker 7: again showed up. They made so so many plays. And
Speaker 7: I know we were talking about the offense here, but again,
Speaker 7: if the defense wasn't playing the way that they are,
Speaker 7: I don't think this offense can get it done by itself.
Speaker 7: But you still saw improvement and in a game where
Speaker 7: there was the lack of the running game, you finally
Speaker 7: saw some efficiency in the passing game. Now, the secondary
Speaker 7: is not great. It's not the best second and I'm
Speaker 7: talking about the Buccaneers. Their secondary is not the best
Speaker 7: in the league or anything, but they were able to
Speaker 7: take advantage of that. And we go back to talking
Speaker 7: about Cooper Rush and him feeling more comfortable and being
Speaker 7: more in connection with the receivers and Brian you mentioned
Speaker 7: earlier Tolbert, a guy that disappeared the whole season, and
Speaker 7: then all of a sudden, now he's starting to show
Speaker 7: up again, making two key plays back back to back weeks.
Speaker 7: So I think it comes down to just practicing more
Speaker 7: time together.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's actually dive a little deeper into that run
Speaker 6: defense yesterday. That that was I agree with you, Nick,
Speaker 6: I think there's without the fact that they had they
Speaker 6: were playing with the lead for so much of the game.
Speaker 6: I think that could have been a real turning point
Speaker 6: for this game. I think that kind of been the
Speaker 6: difference in this game. The one thing I noticed in
Speaker 6: some of the advanced metrics was that they got the
Speaker 6: majority of their success running inside left.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: What did you guys.
Speaker 6: See from the run defense specifically that you think was
Speaker 6: most problematic for Dallas.
Speaker 8: It's too early for me to comment on that specifically.
Speaker 8: I haven't been able to go back and see what
Speaker 8: work in the trenches are.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think to me, what, you know, the one
Speaker 9: thing that that early in the game, you get Mossy
Speaker 9: playing pretty well and Linville Lynville Joseph, I mean, they
Speaker 9: the Buccaneers, They've got their backs all finished going forward too.
Speaker 9: That's that you know, And you really don't have to
Speaker 9: get a lot of their black I mean, the Buccaneers are.
Speaker 3: Good about getting a little bit of a guy and
Speaker 3: then the ball is to in past.
Speaker 9: I mean that's where it's not like they're hard to
Speaker 9: Bucky Irving. It's hard to bring down in the open
Speaker 9: field or you know, in space. But that when you
Speaker 9: look at the way that they're able to run the ball,
Speaker 9: it was they got push on the tackle, you know,
Speaker 9: Nick Vigel and those guys were having to fight some blocks.
Speaker 3: Maritly if out fighting blocks.
Speaker 9: You know, it got it got to the point where
Speaker 9: they were able to get you know, they were winning.
Speaker 9: They were playing on your side of the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 9: and that's where I think that they took advantage on
Speaker 9: some of these runs. It was contact past your point
Speaker 9: of the line of scrimmage and then they were and
Speaker 9: then everybody tried to rally to to kind of slow
Speaker 9: some things down. But I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 9: a lot worse, to be honest with you, the way
Speaker 9: I thought that they were just going to commit with it.
Speaker 9: But you talk about the complimentary football and the way
Speaker 9: that they were able to to play. They were able
Speaker 9: to play, you know, together on that and force Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 9: I mean, you know, playing they did a great job
Speaker 9: of rushing the past especially did a great job. Mike
Speaker 9: did a really great job of timing up his his
Speaker 9: secondary blitzes because you look at Donovan Wilson getting home
Speaker 9: a couple of times free, you look at George Lewis
Speaker 9: getting home.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 9: I think they had four rushes during the game. I
Speaker 9: think three by Wilson, won by by Jordan Lewis. Three
Speaker 9: of those all turned into pressures and hits and stuff
Speaker 9: like that. So and and I think one of the
Speaker 9: one of them up in a sack. Wilson had a sack,
Speaker 9: so that there was some really timely Butson. But I
Speaker 9: think to answer your question, Derek, Tampa Bay does a
Speaker 9: great job of playing on your side of the line
Speaker 9: of scrimmage, and I think they created some some opportunities
Speaker 9: doing that off off your right side of the defense.
Speaker 6: Yeah, talk about complimentary football. The fact that they were
Speaker 6: making Tampa play down two scores for a good part
Speaker 6: of the game. That allowed Dallas defense to do what
Speaker 6: they do best, which is pressure the passer. They got
Speaker 6: pressure on thirty four percent of the dropbacks, seventeen pressures,
Speaker 6: four sacks yesterday some of the guys that really stood
Speaker 6: out there, and Micah of course had six pressures and
Speaker 6: a sack. Marris Lefile had five pressures, Olso had four pressures,
Speaker 6: Nieland had three pressures, Chauncey Golson had two pressures in
Speaker 6: a sack. Talk about what you saw from the from
Speaker 6: the pass rush particularly and how they were able to
Speaker 6: get there. Obviously understanding the blitz, but just in the
Speaker 6: base back at some of the guys that they were
Speaker 6: able to get get home or at least get get
Speaker 6: pressure on Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 8: It's just a unit that is understanding what they have
Speaker 8: to do now here on the back end of the season.
Speaker 8: There was a lot of dialogue in the beginning of
Speaker 8: the year about guys not necessarily understanding their assignments, what
Speaker 8: pass rush lanes, things of that nature. Michael Parson's talking
Speaker 8: about guys trying to be heroes, this, that, and the third.
Speaker 8: I think everyone understands what they're doing now and it's
Speaker 8: allowing Mike Zimmer to send guys like Donovan Wilson and
Speaker 8: Jordan Lewis here on the back end of the season.
Speaker 8: On situational blitzing, Mari Sleafel as well. I mean, Donovan
Speaker 8: Wilson has gotten in the sack category in three of
Speaker 8: the last four games. That does not happen if that
Speaker 8: front is not playing a schematically sound and they're and
Speaker 8: they're making the right assignments, are doing what they have
Speaker 8: to do.
Speaker 2: You know, Michael Parsons has talked about it.
Speaker 8: He's like, hey, I've had to embrace on some snaps
Speaker 8: just being the guy that takes takes on more and
Speaker 8: allows others to get home on the quarterback. And I
Speaker 8: think we're starting to see that trickle down throughout the
Speaker 8: entire defensive line. And I think that's what really worked
Speaker 8: in this game too. Everyone's just schematically sound right now,
Speaker 8: because you go back to the Detroit game specifically, when
Speaker 8: this defense was in a very similar situation, not having
Speaker 8: Eric Hendricks having to figure out what to do on
Speaker 8: that second level, you saw that defensive front being out
Speaker 8: of sorts affect you more than any other game in
Speaker 8: the year. It happens again, what are we ten weeks later,
Speaker 8: I don't know, something like that, and you don't have
Speaker 8: Eric Kendricks in that second level, but the defensive front
Speaker 8: is helping them out so much more and it's trickle
Speaker 8: down effect, and vigil is able to have a great
Speaker 8: game on the back end as well. Yeah, talking about
Speaker 8: the password's perspective, specifically, this defensive front is just playing well.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Marshawn kneeling, Carl Lawson, Yeah, those aren't on your
Speaker 9: being go cards?
Speaker 3: Are they?
Speaker 9: Talking about guys that you know? I mean, Carl Lawson
Speaker 9: has done a nice job for you. You talk about
Speaker 9: the guys that are making no money, and then all
Speaker 9: of a sudden his value is more like a fifteen
Speaker 9: to sixteen million dollar.
Speaker 3: Rusher the way that he plays.
Speaker 9: But yeah, them, and and and and Neelan have done.
Speaker 3: A really really nice job of com Golston.
Speaker 9: I mean they they they've figured out this, the twist, stunts,
Speaker 9: the blitz is the movements. Uh, they've they all work
Speaker 9: together well with each other. You mentioned about uh Parsons
Speaker 9: taking on blocks. Yeah, I mean he's he's I mean, guys,
Speaker 9: he's getting double teams.
Speaker 3: It's freeing up other guys. Mike's calling a pretty good game.
Speaker 9: They're getting these teams to have to drop back and
Speaker 9: pass and and all of a sudden, you've got guys
Speaker 9: that Jimly can rush. It's not just Michaeh Parsons. Oh
Speaker 9: so Diggy's you got some guys like him, and mentioned
Speaker 9: Neil and Goldston Lawson. They've done it, Lynnville, Joseph hell
Speaker 9: who had him for a sack yesterday laying down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah it was yeah, but they.
Speaker 9: They they really they bullied that Tampa front on a
Speaker 9: lot of those pass rushes and able to get home
Speaker 9: that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think now comes the big test for this offense
Speaker 6: and this defense, because the next two games you're gonna
Speaker 6: have teams that I think are better than the teams
Speaker 6: you've played the last two or three weeks, and we're
Speaker 6: really gonna see what they can do, especial in situations
Speaker 6: with those teams are a bit more desperate Phillies trying
Speaker 6: to win the division, Phillies trying to stay in hunt
Speaker 6: for maybe a first round by and.
Speaker 4: That number one seed.
Speaker 6: That's gonna be tough at this point with that lost yesterday,
Speaker 6: but there's still got something they're playing for. Washington IVY
Speaker 6: is still playing to get into the playoffs. So you're
Speaker 6: gonna have some real challenges here these next two weeks,
Speaker 6: and we'll figure out just how much this Dallas team
Speaker 6: is resilient and wants to keep playing in these situations.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, well, we're playing for our jobs here,
Speaker 7: and there we go. We got something that we're playing
Speaker 7: for too, for our jobs.
Speaker 8: We we're gonna have a conversation in the offseason on
Speaker 8: one of these offseason shows about you know, what they
Speaker 8: will have to do in free agency, what they can
Speaker 8: do in free agency. These next two games are going
Speaker 8: to determine a lot about what that conversation looks like,
Speaker 8: especially when you look at guys like Golseno Digize Will
Speaker 8: All right.
Speaker 4: We're gon. We appreciate you guys going. So we're back tomorrow.
Speaker 6: Remember we will not have a show on Christmas Day,
Speaker 6: So tomorrow jump in, Brian, Can you want to get
Speaker 6: us a little started on the Eagles offense tomorrow? So
Speaker 6: we'll jump into the Eagles offense a little bit. I
Speaker 6: know Brian usually have some questions for us on a
Speaker 6: Tuesday as well, so we'll do a little.
Speaker 4: Bit of that too.
Speaker 6: Get you guys all primed up before Christmas, and then
Speaker 6: we'll be back on Thursday and uh and finish our
Speaker 6: preparation for Cowboys versus Eagles till then for Nick Harris
Speaker 6: Brian brought us Ambergarcia. I'm Derek Eagles and this has
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