1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we're 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 2: joined by Susie Evans. We love Susie. She's also a 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: Jonas fan, and I'm so glad you're here because I 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: know you're genuinely Jonahs fan. I remember before you guys 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: were ever public, you and Justin, I was like, you 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: should date Joe Jonas because like he had Sophie wait, 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 2: and you were like secretly dating Justin. 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 3: I was like, I think you have a chance. 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 4: And did I tell you that I was dating Justin 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 4: at the time or did I cool? 13 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 3: You guys played it cool. 14 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 4: You didn't announce me for like another like month and 15 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 4: a half the same Yeah, oh that's so funny. Yeah, 16 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 4: I remember that. I remember like I hadn't really met you. 17 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: Actually, was that the first one in person that we met? 18 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: We went that was at the Mansion after the first 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: Golden season. 20 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 4: Okay, that was the first, and then I think the 21 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 4: last time I've seen you in person. Rightly think so, yeah, 22 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 4: that's so, that is so crazy. But I remember like 23 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 4: going over DMS with you and just being like, so, 24 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 4: I was like, you are so nice to share this 25 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 4: information secret, like literally secrets. I was like, I love 26 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 4: that you trust me with this information. And I was like, 27 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 4: I'm obsessed. I feel like we're truly bonded in our souls. 28 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 3: We wanted too. 29 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 4: And last night, hearing some of you know, the lore, 30 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 4: I was like, Weirdly, I was like, I have like 31 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 4: not as cool as stories, but I'm like I also 32 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 4: have very just like weird lore stories of like why 33 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 4: do like this is why we were obsessed slash are obsessed? 34 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: You know, Like it's just like it's just a lifestyle. 35 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 4: It's a lifestyle. It's a choice. It's an active choice 36 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 4: to be in our thirties and like still going to 37 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 4: join his brother concerts. 38 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 3: You know, like being in your. 39 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: Thirties and being a Jonah's fan, which most are right, 40 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: is the most fun because you know, we have our 41 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: own money and we have our own free will to travel, 42 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: and we can drink now. Yeah, you know, I was 43 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: telling them last night, you guys, I was, you know, 44 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: we had a girls dinner last night and it was 45 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: so fun and I'm like, yeah, I'm not drinking right now. 46 00:01:59,280 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 5: I don't. 47 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: I don't, like I didn't feel like dehydrated after a 48 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: flight and I was like, but tomorrow, wait do you 49 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: see me and Jonas? So it's the only place that 50 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 2: I'll really drink. 51 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 4: I love that, And I was like, wait, I didn't 52 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 4: know that was the vibe like like time like I'll 53 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 4: dance and like like okay, I love that. Yeah, We're 54 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 4: gonna go to Lulu tonight. A little alcohol will be 55 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 4: like oh my god, I think I think that they're 56 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 4: looking at us up here, like they probably can't even 57 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 4: see out twenty feet, but in our brains tonight making 58 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 4: eye contacts. Yeah. 59 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm like I was wondering, like if you 60 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: ever did slid into the Joe's dms. 61 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 4: Oh for sure. There are very like few celebrities that 62 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 4: I have not slid into dms prior to Bachelor. 63 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: You are exactly what I would be. But I would 64 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: be doing that single right now, I know. 65 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 66 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 4: No, honestly, I mean, everyone check your dms and we'll 67 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 4: find out that the dms have been slid into. No, 68 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 4: but when prior to Bachelor, I would think it was 69 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 4: so funny because I had like not even a large feeling, 70 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 4: but like. 71 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: You were missed Virginia, so you were like had some 72 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: pole there I had a little up like I'm certifiably 73 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: very pretty because I've been crying. 74 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 4: My friends and I would like drink at a mellow 75 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 4: mushroom and eat pizza and I wouldn't know like who 76 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 4: a lot of people are, but my friends would be like, 77 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 4: oh my gosh, you should DM this person or that person, 78 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 4: and I'd be like, faygain, I do it like I 79 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 4: don't care, and so we would just send out like 80 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: in an post bachelor. I've like had to like go 81 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 4: unsend things from people because I'm like, oh my god, 82 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 4: like that was from twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen or 83 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 4: whatever year it was, and I'm like that so embarrassing. 84 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: Okay, well right now pull up your messages to jo Jodds. 85 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 4: Oh no, oh my god, yeah, I think, oh my gosh, wait, 86 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 4: you know it's let me see what it's probably the. 87 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: Same responses to stories. 88 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 4: Imagine it was this morning. 89 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: Georgia, are you a nick Joe girl? 90 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 4: I'm a Joe girl. 91 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I always been eighteen years agoing strong. 92 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 4: Oh you know what I've deleted? Oh no, I replied 93 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 4: to their story in twenty twenty four History in twenty 94 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 4: four and said. 95 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: Obsessed did he read it. 96 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 4: No, okay, But I did send a video to Nick 97 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 4: Jonas once again, like not that I have. Let me 98 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 4: be clear, I like rarely drink, but like when I do, yeah, 99 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 4: I like don't care, and I'm like, let's send a video. 100 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 4: And I sent a video of my friend singing I 101 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 4: jon his brother's song one time to him and I'm 102 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 4: pretty sure it showed me that he viewed it, and 103 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 4: I was like, that's actually so embarrassing, Like it was 104 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: actually worse that he saw that, because it was something 105 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 4: that I would like maybe would have unsent in the 106 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 4: morning and been like that was crazy. 107 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: My most notable DM cringe was oh my God. 108 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: It was on Twitter back in Oh my God. The 109 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 3: time it was to that. It was when there we 110 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: first started this show and I was single and they. 111 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 2: Were having like me do reckless things like trying to 112 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,559 Speaker 2: oh yeah, they thought it was really funny. 113 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 3: iHeart and my like re producer, Yeah. 114 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 4: That's like my friends. They think it's so funny, and 115 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 4: I'm like, honestly, like shoot or shoot, why not? 116 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 3: They would have me. 117 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 2: They were trying to like hook me up with Jimmy Garoppolo, 118 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 2: which I was down with, but then they would like 119 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: have me, you know, send dms on the microphone. 120 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 4: But the most so week, the one. 121 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: That was the most like, oh my god, I can't 122 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: believe that this happened was Ryan Phillippy, which I'm pulling 123 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 2: that up right now because I think I just tweeted like, 124 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: oh my god, Ryan Philpy is the hottest in the 125 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: entire world, just like I tweeted that, yeah, like into 126 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: the universe. Yeah, And then he responded, is December thirtieth, 127 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, we should meet? 128 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,239 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, and then the smiley. 129 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 3: Face and I go, I think that would be a 130 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: good idea. 131 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 4: You should text me what wait did he text you? Oh? Shoot? 132 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 4: So that's a lot of this is like it's it 133 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 4: never goes anywhere, you know what I mean. And I 134 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 4: really haven't taken advantage post Bachelor. It's actually a shame 135 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: or post divorce or post Joe divorce. Honestly, it is 136 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: like really a shame, like I lost all my guts 137 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 4: post Bachelor. Like before it was like I got nothing 138 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 4: tell these and now I'm like, oh god, like what 139 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 4: if they what if they were to read it? Like 140 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 4: it should have been opposite. 141 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 2: But look at Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey because he 142 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: basically did that and like put in the universe like hey, 143 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: why didn't we meet? 144 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 4: And I would be the Travis kelce like you would. 145 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 4: I know, I could see this like fairy tale happening 146 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 4: for you. You never know, Okay, well, how would Justin 147 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 4: feel about this very ex? Ever? Would be like can 148 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 4: you imagine that? Yeah that I mean imagine being wait 149 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 4: what would that be the version of like I do 150 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 4: think about Travis Kelcey's ex I'm like imagine going on 151 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,559 Speaker 4: to Yeah she does, she's a she. Yeah she talks 152 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 4: about their whole situation. Yeah, that's right. But I'm like, 153 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 4: that would be so hard to like see your partner 154 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 4: or ex partner go be with the most as a 155 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 4: person ever, Like that was like the most painful thing. 156 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 4: That is the most painful thing. I think I would 157 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: like change my career. I would like disappear. I would 158 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 4: go off grid, I think, and then you'd secretly date 159 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 4: Jose that Justin didn't have to say yeah exactly, yeah totally. 160 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 4: I meant if it were reversed, if it were like, oh. 161 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 2: Mine would have to go and hiding where there was 162 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: like a place where there was no media if my ex. 163 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 4: Was dating Tyler Swifth, like I would yeah, it would 164 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 4: be done. I would like, yeah, okay, hmmm, So let's 165 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 4: talk about Paradise a bit Ooh I know. 166 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: So Paradise. 167 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: You were there for twenty four hours, and there was 168 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: just so much that happened in twenty four hours, and 169 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: to us, even though you were only on like two episodes, 170 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: it felt like you had a huge storyline, particularly because 171 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: Jeremy called you yeah, saying that he wished that like 172 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: he'd given you the rose that like he would have proposed. 173 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: To after one day, all that stuff. 174 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 4: When you were watching back, Yeah, what was your reaction? So, 175 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 4: I think watching it back, I was like, this is 176 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 4: so funny. I was like, oh my god, to talk 177 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 4: about me, Like I was like, I was like feed 178 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 4: my ego. Wow. And then I was like, oh, this 179 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 4: is not funny anymore. Like at first I thought it 180 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 4: was very just like, oh my god, I can't believe 181 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 4: they aired that, you know. I was like, that was 182 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 4: such a random call. I was like in the car 183 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: on my way to the airport when I picked up, 184 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 4: and I was like asleep, Like it was a four 185 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: hour car ride to the airport. Brutal. So I was 186 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 4: like just so caught off guard. I did not think 187 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 4: that it would be anything. So when it aired, I 188 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 4: really was just like this is great TV. I'm like amazing, 189 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 4: Like this is so funny. What's going to happen? But 190 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 4: then it really became like a huge storyline, and like yeah, 191 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 4: I was like like part of me was like this 192 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 4: is so funny that like I was there for one 193 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 4: day and it's like still going and going and going. 194 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 4: But then I eventually did I was like, oh, I 195 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 4: actually like this feels really dark. You know, like when 196 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 4: things was just like almost get taken too far on 197 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 4: the show and you're just like, oh, like that maybe 198 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 4: it wasn't It really wasn't that big of a deal. 199 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 4: I do think you should have told her one thousand percent. 200 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 4: I think that was. 201 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: About Bailey and how like he basically yeah, admitted that 202 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: at one point he had stronger feelings for you, went 203 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: ahead gave Bailey the Rose. 204 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: Do you ever figure out why that was? 205 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I personally, I don't think he had stronger 206 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 4: feelings for me. I think that he was like. 207 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 3: You don't know what you're got until it's gone. To 208 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: quote Nick. 209 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 4: Jonas, literally no, that was the perfect use of that. Actually, 210 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 4: I think it was just like I think he thought 211 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 4: with Bailey they were really like solid, and maybe I 212 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 4: came in and it was like, oh, I was excited 213 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 4: to meet this person, and maybe he had hoped there 214 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 4: would be more time ticket to know me. But I 215 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 4: remember like on our date he even was like yeah, 216 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 4: like I've been so excited to meet you, but like 217 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 4: I've got something great going on with Bailey, and I 218 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 4: was like okay, so like I'm going home, like that's 219 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 4: totally cool, Like I respect, like I didn't feel like 220 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 4: he was going to pick me, Like I was very sad, 221 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, and like I very quickly no 222 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: matter what the situation is, I feel like I just 223 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 4: like accept my fate. I'm like I can't change this, 224 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 4: and I'm I don't want if you want to pick Bailey, 225 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 4: I would never like tell you something that isn't how 226 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 4: I feel to get you to pick me, Like I 227 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 4: wouldn't do that to stick around. And so I just 228 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 4: kind of was like okay, like this is just how 229 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 4: this worked out for me, and if the producers won't, 230 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: they can bring somebody in to save me right now. 231 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 4: But like, you know, I really wanted to if they 232 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 4: really wanted me there, Yeah, there's there's things that can 233 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 4: be done, and so I was like, I'm cool with this, 234 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 4: like I'm just going home. But so I don't think 235 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 4: it was that he like actually felt stronger. I think 236 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 4: it was that he got freaked out when she went 237 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 4: on the date with Andrew and was like, oh, so 238 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 4: I think it was a jealousy move. Yeah, and like 239 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: a way I picked you and like I thought we 240 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 4: were going to move forward together and now you're like 241 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 4: exploring something and now I'm at risk. And then it's 242 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 4: like and maybe he was just like trying to stay 243 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 4: or I don't know. 244 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: What was his relationship like with Justin. 245 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 4: I don't think they had a relationship prior. I think 246 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 4: they had met a few times and then I think 247 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 4: he's friends with like the East coast guys, and Justin's 248 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 4: on the West coast. So I don't think they really 249 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 4: had a friendship or anything. 250 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: So it wasn't like he was trying to protect his 251 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: feelings by not choosing you at that road ceremony. 252 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 4: Oh I don't think so, No, No, And. 253 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: How did you expect Like you obviously knew that Justin 254 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 2: was going to Paradise. 255 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: You guys both knew that you guys were going. 256 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: I was in a sort of some similar situation with 257 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: Jared going into our second season of Paradise where I 258 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: was like, I'm going to pretend like I'm just gonna 259 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: move on, but there's not. But I don't know how 260 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 2: honest that is. 261 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So how was it in your head? 262 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 4: I think maybe super naive, but like I very much 263 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 4: was like dis trusting that it was going to be fine. 264 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 4: Like I had said to production before going, like I 265 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 4: don't want it to be in front of my face, 266 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 4: and like they were like, I think there's a way 267 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 4: we can make it. So it's not like. 268 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: Carry I don't think that's ever like a thing. 269 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 4: No, totally in my like I know, like I look 270 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 4: back and I'm like all of it was so delusional. 271 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 4: I was just so optimistic of like it's. 272 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: Going to be fine. 273 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: Do you know what my Instagram bio is, I'm either 274 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 2: delusion or optimistic. 275 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 3: It's depending on your point of view. 276 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 4: Oh, I love That's that's actually so accurate for me 277 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 4: as well. Yeah, because yeah, I think I just went 278 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 4: in and was like it's fine and honestly even as 279 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 4: I left. I mean, I have so much like footage 280 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: of me leaving and like hanging out with the driver 281 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 4: that took us to the airport, like we went got 282 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 4: dinner together. Like I was like, honestly like whatever, you know, 283 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 4: like that sucked, but like it is what it is, 284 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 4: you know, and I think going in delusional, obnistic whatever. 285 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 4: I think it was like really thinking that they were 286 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 4: going to be able to keep us separate. Like I 287 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 4: had thought maybe there's some kind of like two houses 288 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 4: and he's going to be dating in that house. I'm 289 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: going to be in this one, and then they'll swap 290 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 4: at some point, but like you know, I kind't had 291 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 4: this idea of like I'm just gonna like trust so 292 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 4: they know what they're doing, or one of us is. 293 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 4: We also kind of thought one of us would come 294 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 4: in way later, which it was me that came in later. 295 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: That nobody liked that decision because people wanted to see 296 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: more of you, and Justin's a great character too, so 297 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: we kind of wanted to see more of him. And 298 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: we felt like both of you left too early and 299 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: then you came too late, even Ben and I like 300 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: or I think it was Jared was co hosting with 301 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: me that day. We were like, you know, I know 302 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: we preached that we don't want like producer hands in it, 303 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 2: but when it comes to characters like this, we need 304 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 2: producer hands, and they're trying to figure out how to 305 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: keep them. 306 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 4: Well, I think that you could have like just not 307 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 4: set me in on the same day as three other girls, yeah, 308 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 4: as the last person, and sent two of them out 309 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 4: on dates with people during the day. So it's like 310 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 4: I came in and two guys are gone and two 311 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 4: girls have already done like a challenge with everybody. Like like, 312 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 4: they totally could have sent me in as the first 313 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 4: person and let me have a day date like and 314 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 4: have more time, or they could have sent me in 315 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 4: as the original cast, or they could have sent me 316 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: in after like just like in the in where like 317 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 4: Leya and Alicia, where they came in, I'm like, it 318 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 4: feels like there were there were people there for them, 319 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 4: where it was like, oh, there's not enough for enough 320 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 4: people to go home anymore. I was kind of like, oh, 321 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 4: like there's only two of us, like Jeremy, not Jeremy, 322 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 4: Jonathan and Leah. They kind of were like, well, there's 323 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: no one else, so we're going to pair up and 324 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 4: be friends. I'm like, I definitely could have been around, 325 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 4: but they put me in on the same days you have. 326 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 3: Been around Jonathan's. 327 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: I could have been Jonathan's bestie. We're great friends, Like, 328 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 4: we could have been besties and hung out, but it 329 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 4: just wasn't in the cards for me. 330 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: So there was no thought that maybe you and Jessin 331 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 2: would get back together in Paradise. 332 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 4: No. I think we both knew that, like, we couldn't 333 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 4: get back together, Like we just knew that if we 334 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 4: were to ever revisit that like we have. It's like 335 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: a real world relationship where there's things like we wouldn't 336 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 4: bring onto the television show and like, but we also 337 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 4: couldn't move forward in a relationship without having certain conversations, 338 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 4: and so I'm like, I wouldn't. I don't think either 339 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 4: of us would have been open to like really restarting 340 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 4: something there. 341 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, it. 342 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: Was the love was evident, whether it's platonic love now 343 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: or past lave, you know, like the love of the past, 344 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: but it was very evident during your conversation, like the 345 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: love and respect that you guys have for each other. 346 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 2: It was like really beautiful. I actually think that like 347 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: your moment together, just like talking before you left, was 348 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: probably like my favorite part of Paradise. 349 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 3: It just felt so authentic. 350 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 4: I think that's why I was, if I'm being honest, 351 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 4: so confused when he offered me the rose, because there 352 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 4: was a more to that conversation as well. But I 353 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 4: do think what they showed was very beautiful, and it 354 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 4: did like kind of wrap it up in a nice 355 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 4: neat like little Bob. But I really thought that was 356 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 4: like closure, like the things he said to me where 357 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 4: he was like, you know, I've like grown so much 358 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 4: because of you, and like I'm so grateful for everything 359 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 4: that has come from this, and like he's like I 360 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 4: remember him saying, he's like I feel so guilty that 361 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 4: like I get to stay and like you might be 362 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 4: going home, And I was like, it's literally fine, Like 363 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 4: this the conversation we had made it worth it. I 364 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 4: was like we can walk away, And I was like, 365 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 4: maybe this is why I came here, Like maybe it's 366 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 4: to get this closure and like have this like beautiful 367 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: conversation where you just said the most kind things to me, 368 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 4: and you can move forward and I can go back 369 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 4: home and move forward in a different way. But like 370 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 4: I just thought that was like like him being like 371 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 4: just just having like a closure conversation. So I was 372 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 4: so confused when everything went down at the Rows ceremony. 373 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: One of my favorite things when I think about Paradise 374 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: is kind of seeing relationships that have evolved off camera 375 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 2: happen further on camera. I was like, yours, Kendall and Joe's, 376 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: and then there would been mine, And I just feel 377 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 2: like that's just more evidence that the Bachelor needs some 378 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: sort of spin off show. 379 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 3: Called like Bachelor in real life. Yeah, Bachelor, I R. 380 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's cute. Yeah. 381 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: So when he did decide to give you the rose 382 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: and he said I'm gonna leave, but I'm going to 383 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 2: give her the rose, Like, what was your like your 384 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: reaction was obviously shocked. How did you think that that 385 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 2: moment would Like where do you think it was gonna 386 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 2: come of that? 387 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, I guess to me, like again, this is 388 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 4: like me literally be optimistic, delusional, whatever. I don't know. 389 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 4: I was not close with Lexi, but like I we'd 390 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 4: had a lot of conversations where I was like, I 391 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 4: promise you like don't feel weird, Like, do not feel weird, 392 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 4: Like I don't feel any way towards you, justin's amazing. 393 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 4: We both have worked on ourselves, and like you should 394 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 4: pursue this and like, don't feel weird about it, because 395 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 4: it's not going to stop me from being your friend. 396 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: And you're very special, very special, because I think that 397 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 2: like anybody out there just thinking about an X that 398 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: you have, you obviously have some sort of relationship with 399 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 2: enough that to have a conversation like we saw and 400 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: then you tell the new girl that like you want 401 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: this to happen for her is like the sweetest, kindnest 402 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: thing ever, and like not many people could be there 403 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: for that. 404 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 4: Thanks. I think that I would like want the same, 405 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 4: I guess, you know, like if it were because I 406 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 4: were both there single, so I'm like it I could 407 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 4: either really be make her uncomfortable or try to make 408 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,239 Speaker 4: the most comfortable comfortable environment for all of us and 409 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 4: be like we're here, like we chose to make this 410 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 4: awkward decision, so you don't feel weird, Like we are 411 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 4: the weirdos that chose to come here, so like, don't 412 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 4: worry about it. And so when I when the rose 413 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 4: ceremony happened and he called my name. I was like, 414 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 4: maybe him and LEXI like conspired this together and they're 415 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 4: trying to save me and like maybe yeah, like like 416 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 4: I didn't know, and so I was like, oh my gosh, 417 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 4: Like no, I can't accept this. I really thought I 418 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 4: was going to go back in line and he was 419 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 4: gonna call Lexi and then they were gonna be like 420 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 4: we tried, just like we wanted to at least offer 421 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 4: to say. So when I think they aired it, I 422 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 4: looked at her and I was like, wait, did you 423 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 4: talk to him? And She's like no, And I was like, 424 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 4: oh my gosh. And then like I post everything I 425 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: found out that I guess going into the ROA ceremonies 426 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 4: when Justin found out that Jeremy was picking Bailey, and 427 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 4: he was like faced with this, like oh my gosh, 428 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 4: Like do I pick the person that I've been building 429 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 4: a connection with? But like it feels like right, I 430 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 4: like I. 431 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 3: Know that a lot. He got flack, and then he 432 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: also got praised for the same move. 433 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 5: Right. 434 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: I was more in praise with it because to me, 435 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: it was just like the kindest gesture to somebody that 436 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 2: he truly loves versus somebody that like he just like honestly, 437 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 2: it was obvious they didn't have a future. 438 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was It was hard for me 439 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 4: because I was like, how could you do this? Like 440 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 4: I'm like, how can you just a LEXI like I decide, 441 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 4: And I think that would have been it would have 442 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 4: felt like slap in the face, even more so for 443 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 4: me to then accept the rose and be like, yeah, 444 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 4: I just encouraged you like all days, Like. 445 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 2: I understand, I see both sides, just right and wrong 446 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 2: in both of that. 447 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 4: I know, but I get. I totally get where he 448 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 4: was coming from because I know, like I think he 449 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 4: also knew like before going like I had never gone 450 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 4: back to Paradise, like he had gone to Paradise before, 451 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 4: and I think he kind of got screwed that season two. 452 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: Like I feel like Justin kind of has gotten screwed 453 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 4: on his seasons, like one of I think like one 454 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 4: full group or one full one on one was cut 455 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 4: from Katie's season, like he went to Paradise and just 456 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 4: like had kind of crap luck and then like I 457 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 4: really wanted to go to Paradise, Like I was like, 458 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: I want to go and I've never done it before, 459 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 4: and like I I just thought it would be the 460 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 4: most fun summer, even if I didn't end up like 461 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 4: falling in love. I was like, I just like have 462 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 4: never done this and I've not gone back on TV. 463 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 4: I want to go. I think it's so fun. Like 464 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 4: four years almost four years, yeah, four years, Like I 465 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 4: was genuinely so excited and just like and honestly just 466 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 4: down to have fun, but like I'm not gonna like 467 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 4: hurt somebody along the way. It's kind of was kind 468 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 4: of my mentality. And so I think that he knew 469 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 4: we had talked about it, and I was like, I 470 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 4: know this is going to suck, but like I want 471 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 4: to do this, Like I'm I was thirty one. I 472 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 4: think at the time I'm thirty to now, but I 473 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 4: was like I'm thirty one, Like I'm not going on 474 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 4: Paradise next year, you know, like I'm just not doing it, 475 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 4: like this is my last chance, not chance, but like 476 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 4: this is my last opportunity to do something like this 477 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 4: is how it felt. And so I think he was 478 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 4: like realizing I got screwed over and He's like I 479 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 4: don't want you to have to like go home and 480 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 4: like lose out on the opportunity to be here. 481 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So what was the lost of you guys talk. 482 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 4: We're in communication, Like, we share so many of the 483 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 4: same friends, we share the same management, we share like 484 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 4: so much of our life. So we definitely we talk. 485 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 4: We see each other like, it's not awkward, it's not weird, 486 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: and there's so much love there and we care a 487 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: lot about each other. 488 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: Oh, we love that. We love that. Let's talk about 489 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: another X. Clayton Perfect Clayton and Rachel. 490 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: Reccia they reunited on a Perfect Match on Netflix and 491 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: we did some breakdowns of those episodes. What did you 492 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 2: think about the two I'm sure you're familiar with the 493 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: storyline how that went, because at first he was like, yeah, Rachel, 494 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: let's revisit this. 495 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 3: Then like twelve hours later he's like. 496 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 4: Actually, never note whiplash. That was It was really like 497 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 4: a tough watch because like I I think that I 498 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 4: have like a good understanding of who Clayton is, so 499 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 4: I'm like, I see what's going on here, Like I 500 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 4: think that he and don't get me wrong, like we 501 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 4: all do have intuition and we should listen to it. 502 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 4: But I do think that maybe sometimes and I don't 503 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 4: don't know, I shouldn't like speak for him, But I'm like, 504 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 4: maybe sometimes like he's trying to listen to his intuition, 505 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 4: but maybe it's not necessarily his intuition. Maybe it's like 506 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 4: just the thought, you know what I mean. And so 507 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 4: I think he was like trying to do what he 508 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 4: thought was like the right thing, which is like to 509 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 4: listen to your gut, but maybe the gut was confused 510 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 4: with something else. I don't know, and so it was 511 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 4: it was like whiplash. And I think for him it 512 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 4: was hard for him to understand why Rachel was so hurt. 513 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 4: But it's like she's been put through so much and 514 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 4: she in the fact that she took a chance on you. 515 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 4: It felt like I was like, oh my gosh, like 516 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 4: you have to like be so gentle like this, you like, 517 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 4: she has been so hurt before. So it was really 518 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 4: like that was a hard watch for me because I 519 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 4: was like I adore both of these people, and I'm 520 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 4: just like, why did this have to happen like that? 521 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 4: Like why can't we just have a better understanding or 522 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 4: like a little more I don't know, like not go 523 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 4: as fast to like jump to this being like a sign. 524 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 4: I was like, it's not a sign. It's producers, and 525 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 4: I'm like, Clayton, if you wanted to revisit things with Rangel, 526 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 4: You've had lots of time off Camera's true too, that 527 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 4: is so true. Yeah. 528 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: My last question for you is Bachelor Nation obviously has 529 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: a new bachelorette in Taylor Frankie Paul. It definitely makes 530 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 2: sense for the network to do this crossover experience. 531 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 532 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 2: I do think that you were on a short list 533 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 2: of possible bachelorettes. 534 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 4: Did you ever hear from them, not post Paradise, not 535 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 4: post Paradise, but like for another season in the past, Yeah, 536 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 4: I think there's been twice when they've yeah, well, I'm 537 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 4: I think twice they've like reached out and been like, hey, 538 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 4: we want to consider you for this. But I do 539 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 4: think that I have put the nail into my own 540 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 4: coffin by denying the second rowse obviously the first time 541 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 4: on Clayton season, but then this is like the second 542 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 4: time I think that I have officially like they probably 543 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 4: are like you are so annoying, like this was your 544 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 4: chance to say and you're not willing to be a 545 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 4: little messy, And I'm like, no, I'm sorry, No. 546 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 3: I gotta follow up. 547 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 2: If you were The Bachelorette and Justin were to say 548 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: I have to go on the show, like I have 549 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: to be in the running here, would you let him 550 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: on the season? 551 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh my god, I would have, Like I would 552 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 4: have messed with him so hard. I'd been like, perfect, 553 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 4: We're gonna come up with a really great challenge, like 554 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 4: I would just choose. I mean, me and Justin. I 555 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 4: feel like our friendship and relationship, like we clown on 556 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 4: each other so hard. So I'm like, okay, perfect, I'm 557 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 4: gonna curate the perfect date to just really mess with 558 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 4: this man. Yeah, because you know so many Yeah, I 559 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 4: would know exactly how to like make him so uncomfortable. 560 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 3: Even if it's a good day where it's like couples there. 561 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh my. 562 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 4: God, I'd bring it, yes, exactly. I would know exactly 563 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 4: who to bring like that would be great. 564 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: All right, Susie, you're the best. I'm so glad you're here. 565 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 2: And then we get to joe out together and until 566 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 2: then tonight, I've been Ashley and I've been Susy. 567 00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: Bye bye. 568 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 569 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.