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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, they

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Speaker 1: call me Ben, and you are you? And if you

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Speaker 1: are a long time listener of the show stuff they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know, then you already realize a

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Speaker 1: don't make this your last episode. I hope not. I

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Speaker 1: you may notice a conspicuous absence. That's right our super producer,

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Speaker 1: the third Amigo. If we were doing that movie Nol

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Speaker 1: the Madman Brown is out for a moment, but never

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Speaker 1: and I are going to explore something that Nolan I

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Speaker 1: to represent for you here. Well, I appreciate you being here,

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Speaker 1: Ben to talk about this this is very cool. You

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Speaker 1: and Noel and what Scott and Casey a producer here

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Speaker 1: at How Stuff Works. Scott the co host with you

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Speaker 1: on Car Stuff. You guys went on a bit of

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Speaker 1: a journey. Yes. In early October, Scott Benjamin, my co

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Speaker 1: a road rally for charity. This was This was specifically

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Speaker 1: then homeward bound without the cute animals. Uh. And it

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Speaker 1: You see, there is an area there in the eastern

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Speaker 1: Sam until two n s A newsletters from two thousand

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00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: eleven and two thousand twelve, which were published um as

429
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: part of the Snowden Revelations on two thousand fifteen. For

430
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: the first time, they confirmed that the n s A

431
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: did use this code word, and it was part of

432
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: an umbrella program called Frosting, which was developed all the

433
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: way back in nineteen sixty six. So there, um, they're

434
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: listening all our old jokes about the intern Steve. Uh

435
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: might be might be more less funny and more real

436
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: than we thought. Hey, Ben, I just found something so

437
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: on public dot Navy dot mill, one of the official

438
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: public Navy sites. It states that Sugar Grove the Navy's

439
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: presence in Sugar Grove began in nineteen fifty five. That's interesting,

440
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: right that the station is there, than in ninety eight

441
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: the quiet zone is established, and then in the nineteen

442
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: sixties they begin building the telescope. Yeah. So my thing, king,

443
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: my thinking is that the Navy has a much deeper

444
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: hand in this than maybe is let On, yeah, or

445
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: or the n s A or ultimately you know, once

446
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: you get this far into the alphabet soup of government agencies,

447
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: who really does run the show? Who pulls the strings? Well? Yeah,

448
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: because I feel like the Navy Information Operations Command at

449
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: Sugar Grove was like the big ticket thing there. One

450
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: of the old rules that I invented but I can't

451
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: get out of my head is that, what's the best

452
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: way to say it, The more bland and the more

453
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: innocuous the name of an agency is more dangerous that

454
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: agency comes. If you ever meet someone who's asking strange

455
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: questions and they say they work for uh, the US

456
00:31:54,320 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: Subcommittee on Collected Remarks or something, run I made that up.

457
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: But run, don't run. They're just they're just trying to

458
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: get some helpful information from you. I don't think you

459
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: want to be a collected remark whatever that means. But this, uh,

460
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: this aside, we had some great feedback on our video

461
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: regarding the quiet Zone, and one thing that a lot

462
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: of people brought up which we wanted to bring up

463
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: on the show here is that Sugar Grove was placed

464
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: what was placed on the market for sale. Uh And

465
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: for a time it looked like it was going to

466
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: be purchased for about eleven point two million dollars just

467
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: as as recently as July of this year. However, that

468
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: failed and the bidding is open now open September. So

469
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: if you would like to buy a town that was

470
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: formerly one of the listening posts for a pretty pretty

471
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: dangerous broad brush intelligence program and you've got some money

472
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: to burn, hey why not Sugar grow I don't know

473
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: if you will be able to even if you own

474
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: the town institute too much wireless activity. Yeah that's so true.

475
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: But that is incredible that there is a an entire

476
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: town for sale, all of the buildings, everything. You just

477
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: buy it and it's yours. We could make one heck

478
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: of a commune bend or a cult. I don't know. Yeah,

479
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about a cult. Do you think do

480
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: you think we if we started a cult, though, I

481
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: would want it to do something um more productive or

482
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: interesting than what cults usually do. It could be an

483
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: anti technology cult. We could start like a big movement there.

484
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: But what if we still had to have a website.

485
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: Well you know, um, yeah, that's that's not bad. Or

486
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: also we could create a we could do one of

487
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: those spinoffs or excuse me, secessionist movement. I think spinoff

488
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: is not not a very um, not formal enough to

489
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: describe that, but yeah, it seems like it's spot on

490
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: for a secessionist movement. It could be a collection of stuff.

491
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: My question would be, if you're buying a town, what

492
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: sort of research you need to do. You need to

493
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: know shipping routes, you need to know, if there's access

494
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: to fresh water, You need to know if it's possible

495
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: to live off the land, Like how independent or codependent

496
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: would this? Would this area be UM? And with the

497
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: restrictions placed on the people living there, would we be

498
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: able to get people to move to our cult? And

499
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: then also, what kind of people are going to join

500
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: an anti technology cult. There's gotta be some of them

501
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: out there. We could get UM. Most of the people

502
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: who identify as the electro sensitive. I think we could

503
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: get them there if we could provide, you know, the

504
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: right source resources if we had if we had a

505
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: Whole Foods that's all. That's all we need. Whole Foods. Yeah,

506
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: that has no electricity. Okay, See, there are problems with this.

507
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: It's problematic because I wouldn't want our cult to exploit anybody.

508
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: But we did a great video oh years back now, Matt,

509
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 1: about how to start a cult and cults work, which

510
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: features some compelling performances by you, and yeah, yeah, and

511
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: you're the cult leader that we refer to you are

512
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: Tartu far Good. Was not my idea. It wasn't and

513
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: I have apologized in the past for springing that on

514
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: you and making you a messionic figure. But I think

515
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: it works. So with this, with this bizarre situation, this

516
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: lack of transparency, It's like it's kind of like Hitchcock's

517
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: theory on monsters. You know, the stuff that happens offscreen

518
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: is scarier than anything you can depict in a concrete way.

519
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: So we have these swarms of uh, conspiracy theories and

520
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: questions about the nature of this, of this zone. And

521
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: as people, as more people learn about this, and there

522
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: are there are more and more people are saying you know, oh,

523
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: this is a perfect place for me because of my

524
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: electro sensitivity, right, which at this point, according to peer

525
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: reviewed research, remains a very controversial diagnosis with a lot

526
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: of people doing self diagnosis. So you can, of course

527
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: have sympathy or empathy for people in this situation who

528
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: no fundamentally that they have some sort of condition, but

529
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: then are being told that it's not diagnosable, or it's

530
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: not real, or it's all in your head. So a

531
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: place like this is very much a refuge. And I

532
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: would say that given the despite the fact that they're

533
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: having funding problems and make close stuff down. I don't

534
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: know the extent of the infrastructure that would restrict signals.

535
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: I don't know the extent to which it would survive

536
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: after these things get closed down. And you know, some people,

537
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: of course, we would love for it to be closed down.

538
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: Like imagine you're a kid, you're fourteen years old, you're

539
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: growing up in that area. You want to move, Yeah,

540
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: you want to get out as soon as possible. I

541
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: want to hop into some of the theories around what

542
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: this Navy station did. The one of the big ones

543
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: I've read in a lot of places. Um, you know,

544
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: I had to say it, but less reputable sources online

545
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: where people are discussing the extraterrestrial connection, and what they're

546
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: doing is connecting up the Navy and this radio telescope,

547
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: and what they're saying is that there is right. There

548
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: was at some point after nine communication between an extraterrestrial

549
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: race and the Navy, and it occurred through that radio

550
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: telescope I had. I have heard people saying that if

551
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: you want to find aliens, the Quiet Zone would be

552
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: one of the best places to look. We know that

553
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: a lot of very big fish in the human species

554
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: are pouring a lot of money into renewing the search

555
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: for extraterrestrial civilization or the or the remnants of it,

556
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: which would be much more likely for us to find.

557
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: Russian billionaire named Uri Milner just gave a hundred million

558
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: or recently gave a hundred million dollars to set the

559
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence Center at Berkeley University of California,

560
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: And these things are operating on These things have been

561
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: operating on a shoestring budget for a while. But they're

562
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: hoping to use that money. Uh as of it was

563
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: that happened, they were hoping to use that money to

564
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: rent out some time at the Green Bank telescope to

565
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: search for uh, to search for the stuff that said

566
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: he would search for, you know, extraneous signals, another wow signal,

567
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: things like that. And the logic for renting out the

568
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: Green Bank telescope is pretty solid because the logic there

569
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: is that this is the place where we would most

570
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: likely be able to hear something, right to to sense something,

571
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: because even even the smallest amount of interference can can

572
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: completely void our listening ability or render it, you know,

573
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: statistically insignificant. Like uh, you know, there's greeting cards that

574
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: you open up and they play music, right, so you

575
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: open it up, it's like don't, don't, don't, don't, don't

576
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: don't right, Yes, I thanks. Um that can interfere with

577
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: these kind of readings, and so there's gonna be other

578
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: listening They're gonna be other listening operations. But it is

579
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: true that at least some forces, if they don't believe

580
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: that extraterrestrials have made contact with the human species, they

581
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: believe that green Bank is the place to start. Well,

582
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: it's a good place to receive signals if if there

583
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: are any um the one of the one of the

584
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: pieces of evidence that was noted in the forum where

585
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: I was reading this was that there was a nineteen

586
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: twenty four telegram sent by the Chief of Naval Naval Operations,

587
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: Edward W. Eberl Liberal and it was just instructing the

588
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: Navy at the time to make sure to listen in

589
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: to any possible radio communications that are coming from Mars.

590
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: And this was referring to a particular time when Mars was.

591
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 1: I guess as this to the Earth as it would

592
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: be in the orbits um. But yeah, he's just saying,

593
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 1: note and report any electrical phenomenon unusual with of unusual character,

594
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: and uh cover wide band frequencies as possible from dred

595
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: August twenty one, August wait one, okay, Oh, and the

596
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: whole thing was, uh, be careful of interfering traffic. So

597
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: the whole point in this this forum was that this

598
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: is the perfect place to have no interfering traffic and

599
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: to just pinpoint a place and listen and possibly received signal.

600
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: The only problem being that space is huge. It's massive,

601
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: radio signals are not very fast and for those view

602
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: have checked out our earlier episodes on the search for

603
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial or even extra dimensional life, UM well aware that

604
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: at least in the terms of extraterrestrials still staying within

605
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: our neighborhood of time and space, the massive distances between

606
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: between UM one civilianization and the next in terms not

607
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: only of physical space, but in terms of time mean

608
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: that how do we say, last time, mean that not

609
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: only is it way more probable that other civilizations have

610
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: existed or will exist just because of the size of space,

611
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: that same factor makes it almost certain that we will

612
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: never talk to anyone, at least if the same rules

613
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: of time and space remain constant, which they may not

614
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: always apply. You know, we know what goes on in

615
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: our um our area of reality. We know what generally

616
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: we know what occurs, but we're kind of um let's see, Matt,

617
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: you you have more experience with video games than I do.

618
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: You know, in role playing games, are in strategy games

619
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: like um as civilization or something, certain parts of the

620
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: map will be blocked off and invisible, or in horror

621
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: movies when someone's looking with that of course inevitably dyeing

622
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: flickering flashlight. That's that's how we're approaching reality. And if

623
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: you look at the really really big stuff, and if

624
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: you look at the really really small stuff. Quickly realize

625
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: that we're off the map. You know that we we

626
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: know some things exist, we can't explain them. We have

627
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: much less of an idea about the nature of the

628
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: universe than people would have us believe. And so the

629
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: best we can do is boldly make boldly, make big swings,

630
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: as they would say in the corporate world, with things

631
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: like searching for alien life. Even if, even if we

632
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: know the duds are so so stacked against us, who knows,

633
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: maybe maybe we discover something that I don't know how

634
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: like beautiful and heartbreaking would it be to go to

635
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: another planet and discover something billions and billions of years old,

636
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: most clearly, you know, just left behind. I always think

637
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 1: about that stuff too, Man, When when I'm gonna throw

638
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: away things for real, Yeah, because I'm thinking, you know,

639
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: thousands of years from now, if this thing is still around,

640
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: it'll be in a museum. Gosh. I mean, look at

641
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: the older civilization gets, the more important the stuff they

642
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: left behind becomes so true, it's so true and so weird. Then,

643
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Speaker 1: before we get off aliens, I just want to ask

644
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Speaker 1: you if you had seen the wiki leaks, Podesta emails

645
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: that were just they just gonna. I have heard of these,

646
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: but I have not read them yet. So there's one

647
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: on there and it isn't that significant for various reasons

648
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: that we'll get into. It is fascinating. It's a message

649
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: from Edgar D. Mitchell h. He is the chief science

650
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 1: officer and founder of Quan Trek. He's also an Apollo

651
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: fourteenth astronaut and the sixth man to walk on the Moon.

652
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: That's what it says in his signature. And it's also true,

653
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: which is pretty awesome. He sent an email to Podesta

654
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: and it says it's urgent that we agree on a

655
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: date and time to meet to discuss disclosure and zero

656
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: point energy at your earliest available after your departure. Uh.

657
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: This is one of the emails. It says a colleague

658
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: is working on a new space treaty sighting involvement with

659
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Speaker 1: Russia and China. However, with Russia's extreme interference and you

660
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: were in Ukraine, I believe he must pursue another route

661
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: for peace in space and ZPE on Earth zero zero

662
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: point energy. He's talking about um uh. President Obama's childhood

663
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Speaker 1: friend that he met and they discussed some of this

664
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Speaker 1: stuff on the mission in Geneva. UM he's been talking

665
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: with he's been talking with all these people, these influential

666
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: governmental people about zero point energy UM. And again these

667
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: are just emails to uh, Hillary Clinton, right, and to

668
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: the Obama administration by this guy, So it's not like

669
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Speaker 1: it's there's a back and forth discussion. But in another

670
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Speaker 1: email he specifically talked about the E T e s

671
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: and how they're going to bring us um zero point

672
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: energy and if we if we continue to have war,

673
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: both on Earth and in space, then they're not going

674
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: to bring us to zero point energy anyway. It's just

675
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Speaker 1: a fascinating fun thing to think about that this former astronaut, right,

676
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Speaker 1: I guess he's a former astronaut. He's an astronaut UM

677
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Speaker 1: and was on one of the most important missions going

678
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: to the Moon, and John put us that after that

679
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: was Hilly Clinton's campaign manager UM during the most recent

680
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Speaker 1: Clinton campaign. So it's interesting that we see we see

681
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Speaker 1: astronauts talking about this or pursuing this because you know,

682
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Speaker 1: aside from all the scare tactics which are which are

683
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: completely valid and I'll get to those in a second,

684
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: the discovery of alien intelligence will be one of the

685
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: most significant will probably the most significant thing that has

686
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: ever happened to us as a collective. The only thing

687
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: that we'll compare with that will be uh, machine consciousness,

688
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: which will probably run into first. And you know what,

689
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: if we're contacted through the vast gulfs of time and space,

690
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: buy a machine consciousness. You know, we don't. We don't

691
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: talk about this too often because it hurts the human ego,

692
00:47:54,160 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: but I often think about larger in your special life cycles.

693
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Speaker 1: So human beings, uh and others, all of you listening now,

694
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Speaker 1: If you are a human being like nonmath or so

695
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: many other people, then you are an agglomeration of very

696
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: very tiny creatures. You are much more like a city

697
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: or a town or a world than you are single entity.

698
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: And were these creatures capable of thought, this would probably

699
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: amaze and befuddle them. The little things that live in

700
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: your lower intestine aren't spending too much time thinking of

701
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: your brain and management and whether you're going to call

702
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: your high school sweetheart. They may have no concept of

703
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: what those things are right exactly, This would be absolutely

704
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: irrelevant information to them unless the food would change because

705
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Speaker 1: of that situation. But I say that because if there's

706
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: a symmetry too. If there's a symmetry to the universe,

707
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: then it we are erroneous when we assume that the

708
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Speaker 1: human being or human civilization is the epitome of what

709
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: reality has to offer, because we're not doing that great

710
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: of a job. I mean, we're doing something. I guess

711
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: we could get the Good Hustle Award at the geez

712
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 1: at the end. You're right, we have weird religions. That's

713
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: one and um and I'll say again, yes, you heard

714
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: me correctly. The economy is another weird religion, and future

715
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: historians will no doubt have some condescending and very valid

716
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: things to say about that kind of pursuit. But with

717
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: that being said, what about this I've answer to you

718
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: this concept. Human beings are not the end goal of

719
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: of evolutionary civilization anymore so than the microbes living inside

720
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: us with the end goal of evolution right. Instead, they

721
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: are assisting a larger thing, a gestalt thing. And what

722
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Speaker 1: if human beings. What if our entire purpose or entire

723
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: contribution as organic life forms is only to midwife a

724
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: machine consciousness that does not suffer from the same dependencies

725
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: upon environment as our species. What if all of the

726
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: civilizations exploring the stars are essentially created by planet bound terrestrials.

727
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? What what? Because what what

728
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: is the alternative for an organic thing to live on

729
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: that scale of time? It would be like, um, it

730
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: would be like a microbe, right, And it makes no

731
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: sense to have a space faring biological entity that just

732
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: do it doesn't compute. It makes so much more sense

733
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: to have some kind of mechanical intelligence, right, or to

734
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: change change the rules of the game, change the rule

735
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: the playing board, so encounter some sort of extra dimensional travel. Well, however,

736
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Speaker 1: this time, although we know we know in the very

737
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: very very very very very small infintesimal scales, we know

738
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: that something screwy is going on with time and space, right,

739
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: but we don't know very much about the big, big, big, big, big, big,

740
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: big big picture, and we don't know for sure what

741
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: those effects are on contemporary time and space. Contemporary means

742
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: occurring at the at the same time. So the time

743
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: and space that we're all sharing, whether you are hearing

744
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: this podcast now or thousands of years from now, which

745
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: is strange. We should probably do an update. Then, how

746
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: did you get to this point where you're listening to them?

747
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh, right in and tell us what

748
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: the future is like. We are having a we are

749
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: having an annual Time Travelers meet up yesterday every Yesterday.

750
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: We meet up regularly on Yesterday at four pm. So

751
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: with with this, I know we're getting a little off

752
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: topic when we're speculating here, but I have to ask

753
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: you that would you could you ever see yourself living

754
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: in a quiet zone like this? Absolutely? Really? Yes? Is that?

755
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: Because if my Xbox three sixty still works and I

756
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: still have a bunch of games, and I have my wife,

757
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: and I have my son, and I have a drum kit,

758
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: then dude, I will be good to go. And if

759
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: there's a copious amount of wood to chop, as like

760
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: a separate time consumption thing, yeah, I would. I would

761
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: live there at heartbeat. So what do you, um? But

762
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: what do you think the effect of that would be

763
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: on your child? You know, I think it would be incredible, incredible, Yes,

764
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: letting him grow up not connected to all of this stuff,

765
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: the distractions that I have in my daily life and

766
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: my work life and my home life. If I didn't,

767
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: if he didn't have a cell phone with games on it,

768
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: that he could look down at every time he gets

769
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: uncomfortable in public. I mean, this is all me projecting

770
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: on my son, but I mean this is just the

771
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: way I feel. If for a long time, I didn't

772
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: want to get a smartphone, and I fought against it

773
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: for about four years as the smartphones were coming out,

774
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: because I really felt like it was a distraction or

775
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: something that I would just constantly be using. UM and

776
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: I still feel that way. It worries It worries me

777
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: how much I depend on that kind of stuff, or

778
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: depend on YouTube videos to watch and entertain me while

779
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm trying to work or something like that. People people

780
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: do get addicted to cell phones. You realize that the

781
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: studies show that there's a spike and the feel good

782
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: chemicals when you check something and it says you know,

783
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 1: you have an alert, Yeah, notifications, that kind of stuff.

784
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,479
Speaker 1: Noeld Brown liked your Instagram post man and I don't

785
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: know why it's a Warlock's voice, but and we do

786
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: so much social media for this show. I don't know

787
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: if you guys realize how much work goes into maintaining

788
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: our social media accounts. UM It's it's wonderful and communicating,

789
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: like having that open line of communication is essential and

790
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: it's amazing. And being able to get you know, ideas

791
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: from you guys and then talking to you it's incredible.

792
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: I hear a butt coming, what's your But but the

793
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: amount of almost obsession you have to have to keep

794
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 1: up with it very well, it's um. It's daunting and

795
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: again it makes me nervous about the future and humanity. Well,

796
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: I like it because I think overall it's a good thing. Overall,

797
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: it is more humanizing to be able to say to

798
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: someone in Thailand or in uh, what's another place to be,

799
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: Trinidad another place. It begins with a t someone in Trinidad,

800
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: here's something. Someone in Thailand, here's something, and they call

801
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: somebody in Tallahassee and they're like, whoa, that's amazing to

802
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: check this out, Roger. And it's cool. But it's um.

803
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: But it's also dehumanizing in the same way I think it's. Yeah,

804
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: it is, it is arguable. But what we're doing is

805
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: we're entering the We're just as people officially called this

806
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: the age of man, the anthroposyn uh, we are entering

807
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: the age of the machine mind. You know, we're entering

808
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: the age where people if if there's unless there's some

809
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: civilization and catastrophe. The people born a few generations after

810
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: your son's generation are going to be increasingly increasingly melded

811
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: with technology. It's just inescapable. I mean you. It may

812
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: eventually be a gadagous situation where it's considered a de

813
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: facto crime not to use crisper on a child. Right, Yeah,

814
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: well I look forward to that day. You look forward

815
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: to running away to the quiet zone. For now, I'm

816
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: going to train my boy to be I don't know,

817
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: some kind of agent of I don't know. Maybe he's

818
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: gonna be a spy an Asian and and stop it

819
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: from happening for an agency so mysterious that even he

820
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: doesn't know who he works for. The Subcommittee on Collected Remarks,

821
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: that's he's going to be the head of that stuff. Well,

822
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: speaking of social media, folks, but I want to take

823
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: a second and thank everybody for the fantastic suggestions we've

824
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: been getting and some of the amazing stuff that mostly

825
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: Matt has been finding for our Facebook page, and go

826
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827
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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that may or may not make

828
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: it to air, and sometimes it can be a little

829
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: more topical. Sometimes it can be blast from the past

830
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: or just strange or just strange and unusual. We are

831
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff at Facebook and Twitter, where you can where

832
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: you can talk to us directly, and you can also

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00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: check out every audio podcast we have ever done, including

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836
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Speaker 1: And if you want to check out the video that

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Speaker 1: we made for the National Quiet Zone, you can just

838
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Speaker 1: go to our YouTube page. We are a conspiracy stuff

839
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Speaker 1: there as well. The video is titled What's in the

840
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Speaker 1: National Quiet Zone? You can check it out there. And

841
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00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,560
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843
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: maybe a hey that was great or oh that was bad,

844
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Speaker 1: all you have to do is take a copper bowl,

845
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: three black candles, a piece of red chalk, and very

846
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Speaker 1: carefully draw the following diagram. You don't do the zone

847
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Speaker 1: zone They away sound a little bit complicated, No worries.

848
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Speaker 1: If you can't find that or obey those instructions, or

849
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,320
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850
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