WEBVTT - Hour 3 – Measuring Greatness Across Generations, Pickle Ball Rematch 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.520 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:05.240 Sports Radio Final Hour. 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:07.720 In this Tuesday Dan and the Dan Nets Dan Patrick 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:10.239 Show had some phone calls coming up. 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:11.400 Changed the pole question. 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:16.520 Last night some basketball, The Joker had nineteen assists to 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.720 go along with eighteen points and nine rebounds as the 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:24.520 Nuggets beat the Pacers. He has career single game highs 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:28.520 of fifty six points, twenty seven rebounds in nineteen assists, 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.080 the only player since the merger to have those numbers 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:35.640 on his resume. Will Chamberlain had twenty one assists in 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:38.680 a game. Of course, he averaged fifty points one season, 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.040 and I think had fifty five rebounds. 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:41.920 It's different. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.559 Although I was wondering about this that we tend to 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.519 look at Will Chamberlain's numbers with an asterisk because of 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:53.080 who he's playing against. Right, Babe, Ruth, We don't have 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.800 an asterisk about who he was playing with because he 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.960 played before integration. But we did that to Will Chamberlain. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.400 I mean, Will can only play against whoever's guarding him. 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:06.760 It's not his fault, you know, the evolution of basketball, 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.679 he was ahead of the curve by a significant amount. Also, 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:14.080 he had fifty five rebounds. In a game against Bill Russell, 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.960 It wasn't going to matter who he was up against. 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.840 He was going to dominate them. Now, was he a 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.759 better team player than Bill Russell? He was not, because 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.759 the resume shows that. But do we use the same 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:31.480 analogy or asterisk with Jim Brown? Jim Brown with what 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:36.160 he was doing in the early sixties, mid sixties, who 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:39.560 was he going against? Was it similar to the athlete 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.680 that Will Chamberlain was going against when he was dominating 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:48.360 in the early sixties to mid sixties. Got to be fair, 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:54.320 there are certain sports that were very very territorial about right, 0:01:55.040 --> 0:02:00.280 we just are baseball your territorial. What happened in that era, 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.800 what happened you know, steroid era, post steroid era, what 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.440 happened with pitchers starting pitchers? The way pitchers are? You know, 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:14.440 we everybody kind of battle lines are drawn. Football it's 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:18.280 a different game now. Defensive players, offensive players, What you 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.000 can do? What you can't do? This quarterback's better than 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.320 that quarterback. Who's better than that quarterback? This running back 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:28.960 couldn't have played in today's All of that basketball very territorial. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.800 You know, Bob Coosey couldn't play now, well, Bob Coosey 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:35.360 would evolve and if he was skilled enough then maybe 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:39.240 he would be playing. Maybe he would be a John 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:43.720 Stockton like player. Maybe he would you know, be somebody 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.040 of that ILK. So I think we get caught up 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:50.120 sometimes where we pick and choose. Wilt dominated the way 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:54.160 Babe Ruth dominated, but we don't give Wilt the credit 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.919 for the numbers that he put up. How many times 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.760 have somebody said, hey, you know how many World Series 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:05.240 times Babe Ruth has? Right, doesn't come on when you 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:10.200 use it for an argument, Jordan, Yeah, six, never lost, Okay, 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:15.520 but Bill Russell had eleven. Well but well, wait a minute, 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.519 you just told me that that's the bottom line. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.040 It's winning championships here. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.239 That's why we think Russell is better than Wills because 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:24.280 of the championships. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.840 So we pick and choose, Yes, Marvin. 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.560 Yeah, to your point, I think that's the big thing 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.200 in the NBA. We measure somebody's greatness. Boy, how many 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.840 championships they have the NBA players, NBA great players, in 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:38.000 NFL quarterbacks. 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:39.560 That's how we measure success. 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.600 Like yesterday, most people don't know how many World Series 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:45.320 I mean at World Series Stanley Cups, Wayne Gretsky has 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:50.000 or Mario Lemieux, But we know how many championships Bill 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:54.880 Russell has, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird. That's how we measure greatness. 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.400 So he would be higher. If he had the eleven, 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.840 he would be Michael Jordan, he'd be Babe Rutha. Yeah, 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.440 if you had all those championships, because people were going 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.520 to say, Will Chamberlain did all that, and how many 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.160 championships does he have? The center next to you has eleven, 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.320 So I think that's what brings him down a notch. 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:11.880 Yeah. 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.480 Yeah, we pick and choose to strengthen our weaken an 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.480 argument here, I understand it. It's just I think you 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.400 got to be fair to who who was doing what 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:29.080 and at what timeframe, what period, And Wilt dominated dominated, 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.160 but it didn't win the same number of titles anywhere 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.840 near what Bill Russell did. Okay, Bill Russell was nowhere 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.719 near the offensive force that Wilt was. He was every 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:44.080 bit the defensive player and then some and a great athlete. 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.560 But we don't say, yeah, but who was Bill Russell 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.080 playing against? Wasn't he playing against the same guys who 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:53.600 were plumbers and electricians that JJ Reddick pointed out, like, 0:04:53.760 --> 0:05:00.000 you gotta be fair and we lack context. Now, Babe Ruth, 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.400 they didn't play against any African American players, but we 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.320 you know, we co sign on his numbers. 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:07.880 I got man greatest player of all time. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.719 Okay, fine, but context, and I think that's where we 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:13.719 have to be fair to the numbers that are being 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.520 put up, even today's NBA numbers, they're going to dwarf 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:23.840 some really really good players the eighties, nineties, early two thousands, 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.240 like these numbers are it's crazy. Every night, how many 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.400 players put up triple doubles now, I mean Joker put 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.680 up nineteen Like, oh, by the way, that's the second 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:40.359 most assist in NBA history for a center. The game 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:45.920 is easier for him. But once again, you have people 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:47.919 who are going to look at him and go, yeah, 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.599 but he's not Shack, he's not a chem he's not 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.440 I understand all of that, but we're going to pick 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:56.040 and choose. 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:58.040 Oh, he only won one title. 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:02.000 Okay, Wait a minute, is it about titles? Is about 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.839 stat Like, what's it about here? Joker is the best 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.920 player in the world. Now, he's the best player. 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:08.200 Now. 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.520 I think when Ben Yama is going to be hopefully 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.440 he's healthy, he'll be the best player Jannis used to be. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.320 When's the last time Jannis's name came up? 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:18.039 Right? 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.960 Take him for granted. Em Bead's name comes up because 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:26.359 he can't play anymore. Joker, you just take him for granted. 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.320 You get to a certain point where how do I 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:33.760 reinvent myself? It's almost like a band who's really good 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.080 and then they have the drop off and then they 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.880 have the comeback, or the actor or actress who is 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.039 really popular, and then all of a sudden they have 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:43.640 the drop off and then they have the comeback. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:45.120 I don't know what I mean. 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:50.320 Joker could maybe win another title, but we pick and choose, 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:55.360 which I find interesting in our arguments here. But all 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.800 I'm asking is context, because there are people who still 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:00.640 won't acknowledge Joker is brilliance. 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:02.560 They won't, and. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.400 It's almost like he had he flukeishly won three MVPs 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:12.560 and they want a title. It's not a fluke. It's 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:15.480 not it's not exciting. You know, you may not like it, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.120 not your style about I love it. I love it 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:22.560 because it's basketball, and it doesn't mean I don't like 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:25.760 watching John Morant or Anthony Edwards or whoever you know 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:30.080 is athletic. But I do love the science of basketball. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:34.520 I like watching a game within a game. I think 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:39.559 it's fast, fascinating. Now, look, today's players so much better 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.280 than ten years ago, twenty years ago. Yes, of course 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:46.960 they are. That's the evolution of being an athlete. Joker, 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:51.040 that's not an evolution. I could plug him in in 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.000 the fifties and put it in black and white and 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:57.680 you'd go, man, that guy is that George Mikeen be like, no, 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.120 that's the joker. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:05.040 Last two seconds in today's games. 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:04.440 You're right. 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.600 He mu't even be like see, but guys like you 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.960 could never play like that now. That's why it's ridiculous 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:11.640 to even compare errors. You can never play like that 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:13.200 was the most dominant guy ever. 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.920 But if if he played in the sixties, we'd be like, 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.200 you know, fast forward to now and we'd be like, now, 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.400 look at that. You can't he never survive in today's NBA. 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:23.680 You're absolutely right. 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:23.960 Yeah. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.600 Paul Jokichi's first MVP year, he averaged twenty six ten 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.920 and eight. He's up to twenty nine, twelve and a half, 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.680 ten and a half, much improved. All his percentages are up, 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.760 his three point percentages up everything's up. 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.840 Ricky Fowler and the stars of the PGA tour heading 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:40.640 through Florida. 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:41.480 The bear Trap. 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.720 That'll be this weekend Saturday and Sunday on NBC in Peacock. 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:47.080 All right, see what's pull question that will have? 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.880 Well, I don't want to take this one down because 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.559 it's been so entertaining. 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.000 Okay, is this the Green Bay Packers? 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:59.800 The Green Bay Packers today are heroes or zeros. Right 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.280 now we're up to fifty three percent zeros. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:02.600 Wow. 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.199 Wow, it's really. 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.480 It's gone back and forth a dozen times today and 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.880 right now this is the largest zero's lead that we 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:14.000 that they've had. 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:14.960 Wow. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:19.640 Congratulations, Congratulations. By the way, I mentioned this at the 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.520 end of last hour, the Hornets accomplished something over the 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.520 last two games that hasn't been accomplished since nineteen sixty seven. 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.199 They lost to the Kings last night. They've now lost 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.840 their last two games by combined ninety five points. That's 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:39.320 the worst two game point margin since the Pistons lost 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:42.160 back to back games by ninety five points in nineteen 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:42.800 sixty six. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:51.240 Congratulations Day, Stan Day, Next Day, st Day. 0:09:52.320 --> 0:10:01.360 This is the style of the day. 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.040 Brought to you by Panini America the official trading cards 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:02.120 for the Dan Patrick Show. 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:04.600 It was a special moment for me. 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:09.640 Nineteen seventy seven, Pete Maravich set an NBA record for 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.600 most points scored by a guard. He had sixty eight 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:17.080 points against the Knicks. Now you can go to YouTube 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:22.319 and you can watch the game. I watched the entire game, Pete. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.079 I think fouls out in this game. He could have 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.120 easily had eighty points like he did. He missed some 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.199 shots that he really should have made, Like it's hard 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:36.120 to nitpick. You got sixty eight, but you know he 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.360 could have had and there's no three point shot. Once again, 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.679 all of those numbers that he put up. I think 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.600 at the end of his career. They had the three 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.080 point shot when he was in Boston, maybe, but you know, 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.440 he didn't take advantage of it with all the scoring. 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.880 And he wasn't a great player in the NBA. I 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:58.040 think he was a fascinating player in the NBA. He 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:01.120 was so far ahead of his time. But I just 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.640 remember that, you know, the Knicks had nobody to guard him, 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.760 and they had Walt Fraser at the time and Dean Meminger, 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:08.199 I think. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.720 But yeah, he put up sixty eight Yeah, Pauling. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.240 He was going against Bob McAdoo, Earl Monroe, Tom McMillan, 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:19.319 Walt Fraser, Bill Bradley, Phil Jackson, Dean Memager. That was 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:22.199 some of the knicks. The Pete Merrivitch was twenty six 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.079 of forty three that game. He also had sixteen free throws. 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.320 He had six assists, all right, and he wasn't just 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:28.800 hogging it. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:29.680 You go beate. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.000 His next closest teammate scored twelve mo Howard. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.080 Moe Howard out of Maryland, that's right, and played with 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.719 Tom McMillan at Maryland and Otto Moore port in ten 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:45.000 auto more. Yeah sixty eight dang and no three point shoan. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:49.680 But all he was known as is was a gunner. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.160 But he was, I mean, he was a true gunner. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.440 But when your dad is your coach, and you know 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.559 he's not being told not to shoot, but you got 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.600 to be real good if your dad's gonna coach you 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.040 and tell you that you can have the green light. 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.400 He was able to shoot as much as he wanted to, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.200 and the energy it takes to be a great score 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.920 is underrated. That's why I was always amazed at Kobe 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.079 Mike Iverson every single night. 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.200 You got to get thirty. Like you have to get thirty. 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.400 They know you have to get thirty. The defense is 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.600 geared towards you and just the energy it takes every 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.120 single You know, there's always a guy an outlier. He'd 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:31.680 be like, hey, put up twenty four. I could probably 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.120 do this every night. No, you probably can't, Yes, Marvin. 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:38.920 So the crazy thing about Pete Maryrivich, him and Patrick 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.760 Ewan might be the two guys where they're all time 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.840 first ballot Hall of Famers in the NBA, but they 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:48.720 might be more famous for their college career. Is anybody 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:52.240 else in that category where you're at first ballot Hall 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.120 of Famer, top fifty, top seventy five player, but you're 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:56.920 you're iconic in college. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:03.400 Bill Walton, although I and you know I love Bill, 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:10.040 he wasn't a great NBA player. He played great at times, 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.199 he just wasn't healthy. I didn't think he was one 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.200 of the top seventy five players. I think he's one 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.400 of the top five college players of all time. It's 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.360 just he had the magical year with Portland. The following 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.480 year I think they were fifty and ten, he got 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.280 hurt and he was really never the same and he 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.480 got a title six Man of the Year with Boston, 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:34.319 but I didn't think the resume was there. College he's 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.760 one of the five best that I ever saw, but 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:43.040 I would say, yeah, that's a couple of them in there. 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.240 Yeah, poll it's not at the same level. But Christian 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.679 Lahner in the pros had five different seasons rareag eighteen 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.120 or more points. He was not a bust. But he's 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:52.040 totally known for Duke. 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.360 Yeah, but he still played. He was not a Hall 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:59.320 of Famer no NBA. But once again, they have the 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:02.320 Basketball Hall of Fame. That's where it's different, whereas the 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.880 Pro Football Hall of Fame. Somebody who's a first ballot 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:11.040 Hall of Famer in the NFL, and but they're better. 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.880 They were better known for their college careers. We could 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:19.400 use that the same analogy for a different sport, right Marvin, Yeah. 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.680 I'm with you completely, because after I saw Dino Raja 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.840 and Vladi Deva get in Bloody Devac. They were fine 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.720 NBA players, but they were more known for what they 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:28.720 did internationally. 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:33.040 Like Sharonis marshal owas correct, he's in also, Yeah, I 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:37.000 did like him. They eurostep ye crazy? 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:38.760 Now did he give us the euro Step. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:44.520 I think, so that's a travel I'm watching NBA inside stuff. 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:45.800 That guy keeps traveling. 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:48.000 Hey, that's not fair, yes, Paul. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:52.080 According to a few different websites, Genobili and Sharon's Marcellonis 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:53.800 eurostep inventors. 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.600 All right, like the Europeans. You know, Dirk gave us 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:03.440 the step back. Need to your chest umper like moves 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:09.160 down through history the skyhook is Kareem the crossover who 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:13.360 gave us the crossover? Tim Hardy Hardaway. Tim Hardaway Hardaway 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.520 was like he was mean spirited. He would give you 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:19.600 the crossover and he gave you the forum to give 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.280 a little separation to shoot that ugly jump shot of his. 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:25.360 Yeah, Paully, I've got this whole website on the history 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.160 of the Eurostep. You guys will nerd out on this. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.120 It first appeared in the media in two thousand and seven, 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:33.080 when it started getting a real term. Tony Kukos did 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.160 it in Europe before he joined the Bulls. When he 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.000 joined the Bulls, he tried it and got called for 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.760 traveling number of times he had to retire it couldn't 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:41.040 do it. 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.720 Well, wait a minute, there were guys before him though, 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:49.400 before Shroach wasn't Marshall Onis in the NBA before Tony. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.800 Checking, but Shrewoness and Genobli got away with it. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:59.040 I don't know if feels like they were all around 0:15:59.040 --> 0:15:59.720 the same time. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.800 Sharunas joined the Golden State Wars in eighty nine. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:05.960 Yeah, so when was Tony? 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:07.880 I know a Coucos triedent and got called so. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:09.600 Yeah, well Kuk coach would have been after that. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:12.680 Yeah he was after that. The ninety two Olympics. 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:13.880 Oh yeah, that's yeah. 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:15.360 Pippin and Jordan were not nice to hear. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.560 That was bad. They euro stepped all over him. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:19.000 Bloop bloop. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.200 Uh let me take a break. I got it. 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.800 Oh, I got some numbers here. Oh, I got some 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.920 Tom Brady numbers here. Everybody wants to get rid of 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:31.640 the tush push. I got some Tom Brady quarterback sneak numbers. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.920 Get rid of the quarterback sneak. Tom's too good? 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:35.800 Had that for you? 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.640 Coming up right after this. Fox Sports Radio has the 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.600 best sports talk lineup in the nation. 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He had eighty five more 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.800 than Drew Brees, who was second on that list. So 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.159 the quarterback sneak with Brady and the Patriots ninety percent 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.520 of the time. Now, it's not the tushpush, but it 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.200 is almost automatic ninety percent of the time. 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:28.720 Now. 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.280 I don't know if anybody says, hey, that's not fair, Well, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.080 they can't because it's a quarterback sneak. The problem with 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.959 the tush push is the person behind Jalen Hurts. I 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:42.160 think Philadelphia would still be successful, maybe not as high, 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.080 but pretty close to the same success rate if they 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.600 didn't have the player behind Jalen Hurts. I think that's 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:53.080 what bothers people. Jalen Hurts with his size, his strength, 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.280 and that offensive line. If you look at the overhead 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:59.760 picture in the Super Bowl first touchdown scored on the 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:06.200 two push, Chris Jones is lined up sideways, so he's 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.760 got his linebacker pushing him. I don't know what he's 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:14.119 doing because you're not putting any pressure up the middle 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.600 on the center, and that's where he got his neck hurt. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:22.439 And no wonder he's lined up to the side and 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:25.720 they just basically ran through him like a toll gate. 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:31.080 And you know, I don't I mean, you know, maybe 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:33.520 they're just like JJ Watt said last Dame, or you 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:37.879 can't stop it. Although would that give me pause if 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:43.760 I'm the commissioner, Because if the commissioner, if JJ Watt said, Hey, Commissioner, 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.359 I want to talk to you about the touch push, 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.520 And if the commissioner said, hey, you know, what would 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.199 you do? Well, you can't stop it. So this is 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:54.960 coming from an all time first Battle Hall of Famer 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.360 said you can't stop it? Is that enough to change it? 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.720 Modify it? And I know everybody gets up in arms. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:06.040 If Philadelphia wasn't successful as a team, we wouldn't care 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:11.879 about this. They outlawed the dunk because Leuel Sindor was 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:16.399 so great. They got rid of the dunk. They got 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:22.359 rid of the dunk with Wilt Chamberlain because they were great. 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:26.679 They weren't breaking a rule other than hey, that's not fair. 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:30.879 They said to Leuel Sindor, you can't dunk. We're not 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:31.800 gonna let you dunk. 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:35.080 The rest of us supposed to get up there. See 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:38.120 on fair advantage. 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:40.720 We're only six feet one. We can't get up there. 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:48.359 I'm a nice layup, Chris, layup. Imagine that. They're like, 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.400 uh no, you can't. We're going to take that away 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:52.720 from you. 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:53.000 Yeah. 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:55.440 I'm looking at this overhead picture from the super Bowl 0:20:55.920 --> 0:21:03.240 and Chris Jones is asking to be hurt. 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:05.639 But he's clearly trying to write, like JJ Watt said, 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.600 with how low they get, right, they have the advantage 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:12.400 because of that. Yeah, I'm guessing Chris Jones, well, he's 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:14.840 clearly trying something different. I'm guessing he's trying to beat 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.200 them to that spot so they can't get low, right, 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:20.160 He's trying to beat them. 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:21.720 I'm guessing. I have absolutely no. 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:25.600 Idea, but I'm guessing he's trying to get lower to 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:26.960 take away that advantage. 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:29.800 But he has no power because he's going sideways. 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:32.920 But he still has power, it's just driving in a 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:33.560