1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: Cult mom Laurie Valoe. It should send chills down your 2 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: spine since the bodies offer two children, seven year old 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: JJ and teen Tyling, her daughter, were found burned, dismembered, 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: buried in the backyard essentially of her brand new husband 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: number five. But now we learn bombshell happening now is 6 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valoe suspected and yet another death, another death. 7 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: We are not letting it go, not letting it go. 8 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: Listen to this count. You've got the two children, her 9 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: brother Alex Cox dead. You've got the husband, Charles Valo, 10 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: shot dead by Laurie Vallo's brother while she's standing there supervising. 11 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: But now, oh wait, I forgot Tammy Dayville. That's five, Jackie. 12 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 1: If I left anybody out, well apparently we have again. 13 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nations, 14 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: joining me an all star panel. Nate Eaton, the guy 15 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: who cracked much of this case, Wide Open reporter with 16 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: the East Idaho News dot Com. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensics, 17 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, 18 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: and now the star of a new series on TV, 19 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network, renowned psychiatrist, and 20 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: boy do we need a shrink? Doctor Angela Arnold joining 21 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: me from the Atlanta jurisdiction, she said. Angela Arnold, MD 22 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: dot com attorney for Lorie Valo moms one of her 23 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: husband husband, Joseph Ryan. He represented Joseph Ryan in the 24 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: divorce from Laurie Valo and you can find him at 25 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: Keith Tanny Gutsch li Law dot com. I'll let him 26 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: explain that. And special guests joining us Joseph Ryan's sister 27 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: Annie Cushing. First of all, to Nate Eaton, reporter East 28 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: Idaho News dot com, Nate, I very rarely, very rare 29 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: if ever wait rephrase? Never have I gotten to say 30 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 1: I told you so? Never, not once. You've always been 31 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: right on everything that you've reported regarding cult mom Laurie Valo. 32 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: But finally I get to say I told you. What's 33 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: the news, Nate Eaton, Well, I'm recording surface recently, and 34 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: this recording is Lorie Vallow in a group meeting with 35 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,359 Speaker 1: some of her friends where she flat out says she 36 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: wanted to murder her third husband, if Ryan, that she 37 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: had a murderous heart, and that had she not turned 38 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: to her church turned to her religion. She would have 39 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: killed him because she said that he was molesting her 40 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: children and she was sought full of anger and rage 41 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: toward him that she wanted to kill him. And this 42 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: recording came to life a minute. Wait a minute, wait 43 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: a minute before we start maligning the dead. So her husband, 44 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan, turns up dead in his own home, I believe, 45 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: in his own bed, and nobody knows anything until the 46 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: neighbors smell a foul odor coming from the home. Okay, 47 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: he was, of course declared dead and immediately cremated. Now, 48 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: the only person that we know of that has said 49 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: anything about the smallestation is caught Mom Laurie Valo. So 50 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: if you want to take her word for it, and 51 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: then this husband turns up dead, well, you know what, 52 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to Kim Powell as Family TV 53 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: three News. Listen. Someone wise was speaking to me and said, 54 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: you need to go to the temple. SI went and 55 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: met my bishop, and I was like, I'm either going 56 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: to turn my life to the temple or a good 57 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: commit murder. Joseph died in April twenty eighteen, several months 58 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: before this recording took place at the time, it was 59 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: ruled an apparent heart attack, but now Phoenix police say 60 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: they're going to review the case. Joseph's sister released a 61 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: statement to Arizona's family, staying, in part, it may have 62 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: been reasonable to perform a cursory autopsy and rule the 63 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: cause of death as natural. At the time, it went 64 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: on to say, when someone shows you who they are, 65 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 1: believe them. So bombshell. Right now, Calt Mom Laurie Valo 66 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: is now being investigated regarding the death. I think it's 67 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: husband number three, Joseph Ryan. Now I just want to 68 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: clarify something, Nate Eton, reporter east Idahoo News dot com. 69 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: When she is telling this story that someone told her 70 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: you need to go to temple and she told the 71 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: bishop there at the Latter day Saints the Mormons that 72 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, she needed to turn her life around and 73 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: she was going to murder her husband. But as she's 74 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: telling the story, Nate, she's speaking about what happened back when, 75 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,239 Speaker 1: for all I know, she had a quote murderous heart 76 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: at the same time Ryan was killed. Well, yeah, that's 77 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: quite possible. Now they divorced in two thousand and five, 78 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: so they have been divorced. It would be fifteen years, 79 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: so it's been quite some time. But divorce, they were together. 80 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: Hold on, Nate, let me clarify, I did not ask 81 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: you when their divorce was. I'm asking you about when 82 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: she had a murderous heart. She was divorced from Ryan, 83 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: when Tammy Damil died, right, and she was divorced from 84 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: Ryan Winn, Tyley and JJ were murdered. She was divorced 85 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: from Ryan when her brother drops dead. I mean, the 86 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: divorce is irrelevant to who killed Joseph Ryan. They were 87 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: still fighting about custody, they were still fighting about Tyley 88 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: visiting him. You know, hate It is hard to die, 89 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: Nate Eton, Yeah, very true. And one of the problems 90 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: here is that because he died and he was cremated 91 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: so quickly, I mean within a matter of gays, So 92 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: it's not like you can do the body. You're doing 93 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: any sort of tests or anyway. Nate, who made that 94 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: decision that he'd be cremated. That might be a better 95 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: question for Annie or for his attorney. Good, good question. 96 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: Let me go out to you teeth Tanna Gucci. This 97 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: is the lawyer for Joseph Ryan and the divorce for 98 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: Laurie Valo Keith All along with all of these bodies 99 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 1: are popping up around cult mom Laurie Valoe. I couldn't 100 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: help but notice Joseph Ryan, one of her husband's, possibly 101 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: the one she hated the most, was rushed into cremation. Yeah, 102 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm aware of that. What are your thoughts to speculate? Well, 103 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: I can speculate because of the confidence decomposition of its 104 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: body that that may have led to their decision. But 105 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm not a coroner or anything like that. I don't 106 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: know who. The only person I know who had the 107 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: authority to, you know, perceived that way would have been 108 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: his sister's I believe she's on this line. Yes she is. 109 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: He didn't have any other because he didn't have any 110 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: other relatives any cushing. Who gave the okay for Joseph 111 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: Ryan to be cremated or was it a decision based 112 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: on the fact his body had already started to decompose. 113 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: I my understanding is that the state made the call 114 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: because they couldn't get ahold of anyone. Because Lori and 115 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: I maintained contact over the years, but she never told 116 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: me that Joe had died. I had found out through 117 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: a relative being forwarded one of these letters where they 118 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: were seeking family members, and so it's my understanding that 119 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: by the time I found out he had already been cremated. 120 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: So I think it was because he was an unclaimed body. 121 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: That's my understanding. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I want 122 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: to circle back to the investigation going on right now 123 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: to the death of Lorie Vale. I think third husband, 124 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan, take a listen to this KSLTV. Joseph Ryan 125 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: died of an apparent heart attack without anyone knowing. Annie Cushing, 126 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: his sister, says she doesn't want the same fate for 127 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: his daughter, seventeen year old Tyleie Ryan. They weren't just 128 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: madly in love. I had never seen Joe, and he 129 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: recalls her brother, Joe Ryan's marriage to Laurie Valo as 130 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: a joyful start for the couple. My brother had never 131 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: been married and he had never had a child, so 132 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: he was over the man. However, Randy says the relationship soured. 133 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: The couple divorced when Taylie was eighteen months old. You know, 134 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: she kind of felt like, you know, but a sister, 135 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: and he says she felt close to Laurie until Joe's 136 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: death in twenty eighteen when she flew to Arizona to 137 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: be with Tylee. There was also a lot of tension 138 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: between Tyley and Laurie, and he says Lorie discouraged Tyleie 139 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: from speaking about her dad. She would actually say, the 140 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: world is a better at place with hell Joe Ryan. 141 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: Well talk about a premonition, the world's a better place 142 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: without Joe Ryan, and then suddenly the world was without 143 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: Joe Ryan. The speaker was cult mom Lorie Vala, already 144 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: charged in connection with the deaths of her children, Jj 145 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: just seven years old, and tilely teen girl Tyley, now 146 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: suspected in the death of Tammy day Bell, her new 147 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: husband's ex wife. She died just days before the two 148 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: of them jet off to Hawaii for a beach side wedding, 149 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: but now dragged into the mix fifty nine year old 150 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan, one of her husbands that died an unusual death, 151 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: being found already in decomposure. Take a listen to Justin 152 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: lum Fox ten. It's been more than two years since 153 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan died, but now an audio recording of Laurie 154 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: Valo provided to Ryan's sister has surfaced, as well as 155 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: other information, so Phoenix PD is now reviewing the case. Now. 156 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: The history between Valo and Ryan goes back more than 157 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: a decade with a custody battle over their daughter Tyley. 158 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: For the first time, we hear from Ryan's former lawyer, 159 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: alleged audio of Laurie Valo from October twenty eighteen, confirmed 160 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: to be recorded by someone in her religious circle, shares 161 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: a disturbing statement about her third ex husband, Joseph Ryan. 162 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: I was going to murder him. I was going to 163 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: kill him. On April twenty eighteen, months before this recording, 164 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: Ryan died in his Phoenix apartment. Sergeant Mercedes Fortune says, 165 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: a death investigation is now getting a second look, just 166 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: looking at it again, reviewing it and making sure that 167 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: there's things that were that maybe could have been overlooked 168 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: but are being looked into now. Straight out to the 169 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: lawyer that represented Joseph Ryan, now dead in his divorce 170 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: from Cultmom Laurie Valo, Keith Tenegucci joining us from Texas. 171 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: Keith again, thank you for being with us. Tell me 172 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: what happened in that divorce. What did you learn about 173 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: cultmm Laurie Valo. The initial allegation from Laurie Valo said 174 00:11:52,480 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: he was sexually abusing highly and basically the law unfortunately 175 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: airs on the side of caution in these kind of cases, 176 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: and so Joe became the subject of an investigation, both criminal, 177 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: one criminal, and then it became an issue in their divorce. 178 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: The allegation was just well, it was an outcry, and 179 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: the outcry that she reports to the police is just horrendous. 180 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a sexual abuse. Now, when you're saying, 181 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: she Keith, are you affirmed to cult Mom Laurie Valo, Oh, yeah, 182 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: she made the allegations and she said the victim was Tily. Guys, 183 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to more words 184 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: from Laurie Valo cult Mom talking about how she does 185 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: not get much sleep because angels wake her up all 186 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: a night giving her instructions on what to do. I too, 187 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: like Melanie, have had the love of Jesus Christ who 188 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: washed over me. There is nothing like that on this earth. 189 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: It is life changing and eternity altering. I love my 190 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: Savior with my whole heart. I have had some wonderful experiences. 191 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: I have been ministered to by the angel Marana. I 192 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: have seen him. I have had lots of angelic ministry 193 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: with people who wake me up four o'clock in the 194 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: morning and tell me things to do. I no longer 195 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: need to sleep very much because I'm walking out constantly 196 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: by angels and giving me instructions on things that I 197 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: can do to help further the father's work. Okay, I 198 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: gotta figure out what to make of that, because I'm 199 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: all for angels. But I also recall Nate Eton. Do 200 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: you recall that cold mom Laurie Valo warned away another husband, 201 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: claiming that she had an avenging angel that would kill 202 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: him and lo and behold. When that husband showed up 203 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: for visitation, he got shot dead. Remember that quote avenging angel. Yeah, 204 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: she called her brother, Alex Cox, who's now dead, her 205 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: avenging angel. Alex would do anything for Laurie. He loved Laurie. 206 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: He even moved to Idaho with her, and she warned 207 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: her fourth husband, Charles Valow, that she would kill him, 208 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: and he actually called the police and said, she's gone crazy. 209 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: You guys need to do something, and lo and behold 210 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: he did still up and was shot and killed by 211 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: Alex too. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor forensic Jackson State University, 212 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, I want to talk to you about the 213 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: decision to cremate Joseph Ryan called mom Laurie Vallos, I 214 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: think third husband. I find that very, very disturbing because 215 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: I believe it was called by the stage, just like 216 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: Annie Cushing told us. But we never really got the 217 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: cause of death. They assumed it was because of his 218 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: heart hold on Joe Scott. Annie Cushing, this is Joe's sister, Annie. 219 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: So Laurie Valo knew that Joseph Ryan had been found dead, 220 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: but did not tell you. No, she never told me. 221 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: In fact that I found out through another relative who 222 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: had been forwarded one of these letters that had been 223 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: sent out to try to find family or someone to 224 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: claim Joe's body. And I reached out to Laurie and 225 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: then she told me that she knew he had died. 226 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: So she did know, but had not contacted any of 227 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: his family. That's correct. Yeah, So I found out in 228 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: I think it was mid May, and I have I 229 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: knew that she was contacted by police on April thirteenth, 230 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: and she even sent me a copy of her notes 231 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: from that meeting. I was also I also learned that 232 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: at some point to you, Nate Eton that Tyley recanted 233 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: the claims that her father had ever molested her. Is 234 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: that true? There were some questions raised about it. We 235 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: do know that her older brother, Colby, he has said 236 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: on the record that he was molested by Joe Ryan, 237 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: and when asked about Tyleie, he did not comment about 238 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: Pyle's allegations. Okay, so I'm talking to you about Tyley. 239 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: Let's go to our cut fifteen. This take a listen 240 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: to Fox ten. The police report says Ryan's neighbor smelled 241 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: a strong odor and notice flies inside the apartment. A 242 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: maintenance worker couldn't get in through the front door because 243 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: of an engaged secondary lock, so we used a ladder 244 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: to access an open window. Police say the fifty nine 245 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: year old had been dead for a couple of days. 246 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: There were no signs of forced entry. Autopsy determined he 247 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: died of a heart attack. To this moment, there isn't 248 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: any additional information that will lead investigators fully that there 249 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: was a foul play. Police did contact Laurie Valo, listed 250 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: as next of kin, more than a week after the discovery. 251 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: The report says she told officers she had not heard 252 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: from her ex husband in two years, but they shared 253 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: a child. In comment Tylie Ryan, the custody battle over 254 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: their daughter stems back to Austin, Texas. Keith Tanegucci represented 255 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: Ryan for a couple of years. He says Valo accused 256 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: his client of sexually abusing Tyley when she was very young. 257 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: According to court documents from two thousand and seven, a 258 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 1: therapist said she was concerned Tyleie was being pushed by 259 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: her mother to make an outcry until one day Tylie 260 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: recanted crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking 261 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: about a brand new discovery that now Mom Laurie Valo 262 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: is being investigated in the death of a previous husband, 263 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: Joseph Ryan Ryan, the father of little Tilely, that the 264 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: police believe cult mom Laurie Valo and her brand new 265 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: husband number five cult leader Chad day Bell murdered and 266 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: then buried in day Bell's property. I want to go 267 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: straight to you, Keith Tanigucci, a very well known lawyer 268 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas. Keith, I'm learning that Tyley recanted the 269 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: claims that Joseph Ryan had ever molested her, and that 270 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: a therapist who saw Tyley alone without the mother or 271 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: anyone else there, said she was worried that Tyley was 272 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: being forced to make a an outcry, which in the 273 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: law and outcries when a molestation or rape victim tells 274 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: someone they've been molested. What do you know, Keith Tanegucci, Well, 275 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: Tyley actually recanted to the therapist right she was in 276 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: therapy with Vivian I can't recall her last name, but 277 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: Vivian Lewis, and she recanted there and that's when the 278 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: case started unraveling. There was other evidence that Lorie Vallow 279 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: was alleging, such as there should be DNA on his bed, 280 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: both Tyley and Joseph, and so they went and removed 281 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: his mattress and they cut the top off, and they 282 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: went and did a DNA analysis on the thing, and 283 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: months later it came back that it was negative. They 284 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: didn't find anything that they were looking for, and that 285 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: added fuel to the not the innocence, his innocence, and 286 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: they eventually didn't have any evidence other than this alleged 287 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: i'll cry that has been recanted. And because teeth Kenneguecheet, 288 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: this is the lawyer for Joseph Ryan's husband of cult mom, 289 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, one of them, and he's found dead in 290 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: his home. Body's so decomposed they can't really get a 291 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: cod They just assumed it must have been a heart attack. 292 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: But when Laurie Valo learns learns of Ryan's death, she 293 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: tells nobody to doctor Angela Arnold psychiatrists. I find that very, 294 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: very odd that the father of your child dies and 295 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: you don't call the family or anybody. It's almost like 296 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: she didn't want them to know. It's exactly like she 297 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: didn't want them to know, and she wanted all of 298 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: the controls surrounding everything too. She didn't want any input 299 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: from anyone. I can't even imagine not calling anybody and 300 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: telling them that he had died. What was she going 301 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: to do with that information? She wasn't his wife anymore. 302 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 1: To you, Annie Cushing. Cushing is the sister of Joseph Ryan. 303 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: You know your brother. You know him, his good, his bad, 304 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 1: his wonderful things about him, warts and all. Do you 305 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: believe there was any chance he molested Tyley? I mean, 306 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's always a tough question because I 307 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 1: wasn't there. But based on what I've read from you know, 308 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: all of these court documents and what I witnessed from 309 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: Lorie when I was out in Phoenix in twenty eighteen. 310 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: The way she spoke about this, I mean, she had 311 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: no filter. She talked about it in front of Tyle 312 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 1: and there was like she was like manic about it, 313 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: and you know, she just didn't treat it with any 314 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: of the you know, like the appropriate like parental protocols 315 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: that you would would expect if you really thought your 316 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: child was molested. So all of the things combined indicate 317 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: to me that this was more the result of Laurie's 318 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: machinations in order to win custody and to completely edge 319 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: Joe out of Tailie's life. And you know what, and 320 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: any Cushing is with me, this is Joe Joseph Ryan's sister. 321 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: We see the same thing happening over and over because 322 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: when Charles Vallo was coming to get JJ, he got 323 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: shot dead. And leading up to that, Nate Eton, reporter, 324 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: East Idaho News dot Com CULTMM, Laurie Valo had been 325 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: trying everything she could to keep JJ away from his father, 326 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: and so we see the same thing happening again that 327 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: happened with Ryan exactly, and not only JJ's father, but 328 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: his grandparents. You know, it was Kay and Leary Woodcock 329 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: that said, the visits, even on an iPad on a 330 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: phone drastically were cut back. She didn't want anybody to 331 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: associate with children. She wanted to complete control. And also 332 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: this whole thing about angels visiting her teeth. Taniguchi keith, 333 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 1: I make it no secret, and I'm a Christian, and 334 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: I saw him practicing, you know, because they've got a 335 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: long way to go. But as much as I've longed 336 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: for it, I've never had an angel visit. Laurie Vallo 337 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: says angels come to her all the time, including the 338 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: prophet Moroni. I'm just wondering that she referred to her 339 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: brother Alice Cox, as an avenging angel who gunned down 340 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: her husband for her. I wonder if an angel also 341 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: told her to make up the lie that Joseph Ryan 342 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: molested Taily and to kill him. Well, when I found 343 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: out that she was a devout Mormon and much of 344 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: her actions seemed to be coming from her religious belief, 345 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: I was not familiar with the Mormon religion, and so 346 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: I went and bought three books. I ended up buying 347 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: three books about Mormonism, and each time I read one, 348 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: I would go to well, I need more information, so 349 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: I've read three books about it, and she was doing 350 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: a hybrid of what I was reading, but she was 351 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: definitely devouted. I mean, I will have to tell you 352 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: that I had a call from the second ranking bishop 353 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: of the Mormon Church on her behalf, trying to vouch 354 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: for her veracity, and I was flabbergasted for one that 355 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: she could get that done. But then I took it 356 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: with a grain of salt, and I did not take 357 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: the gentleman's word on her veracity because I felt she 358 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: was seriously Well, you know what, Keith, I don't know 359 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: a lot, but I know this much. I know that 360 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: murder is not a teaching of Christianity or Mormonism. I 361 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 1: know that much. And here she is describing how she 362 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: wants to murder people. And then got our two dead 363 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: children and her other dead husband. You got Tammy day, 364 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: Bill dad, her brother dad. I mean, the bodies are 365 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: piling up. The Mormon Church has completely disassociated themselves with 366 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: whatever cult she was in the middle of. I want 367 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: you to take a listen to our cut number six. 368 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: I want you to hear Laurie Valo speaking in her 369 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: own words about when it's okay to kill somebody. This 370 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: is a recording of a religious discussion that happened in 371 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Joseph Ryan's sister obtained it and released it 372 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: to Phoenix police after hearing Laurie say this, I went 373 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: through a lot of years of this kind of hard stuff, 374 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: and I was going to murder him. I was going 375 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 1: to kill him like the scricer say, like me if 376 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: I killed it, just to stop the pain and to 377 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: stop him coming after me and to stop him coming 378 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: after my children. According to custody documents, in twenty eleven, 379 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: Laurie and her third husband, Joseph, went through a contentious 380 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: custody battle over Tiley. I thought I couldn't take it anymore, 381 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: and I would go through the scriptures and find all 382 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: the things. If he comes against you wants, if he 383 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: comes against you twice, if he comes against you three times, 384 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: then you can kill it. It's satin de scriptures. There 385 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: it is. There's my answer. I don't want to do 386 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: anything that's trouba. This isn't the first time Laurie threatened 387 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: his life. According to those same custody documents, she told 388 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: a court appointed psychologist that quote death would be an 389 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: option before giving Tiley to her father even for a visit. 390 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: It's just as clear as the nose on your face. 391 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace Guys another body account apparently 392 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: under consideration of being added to the tally of cult, 393 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: Mom Laurie Valoe almost too much to take him. We're 394 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: hearing in her own words that she would consider murder 395 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: before even one more visitation between your husband Joseph Ryan 396 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: and their daughter Tyley. Tyley later found dead. I want 397 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: you to hear our cut three Lorie Valo talking to 398 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: a religious group, and this was posted by you Nate 399 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: Eaton at East Idaho News dot com. Someone wise was 400 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: speaking to me and said, you need to go to 401 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: the temple. So I went and met my mishop and 402 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm either going to turn my life 403 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: to the temple or I'm going to commit murder. So 404 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: do you want to giving me a temple recommend And 405 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 1: I was perfectly honest because at that point I had 406 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: nothing to lose. Get to the bottom rung and I 407 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: had nothing to lose. And he gave me my temple 408 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: recommend and I started going to the temple every week 409 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: by myself, that with my current husband, just by myself 410 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: to the temple to a masa tumble chy love. We 411 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: moved here from Texas to get away from ex husband 412 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: if that was doing all this, but he moved here, 413 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: like five miles away from Less just to continue to 414 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: torture me. That was his whole entire job. I see 415 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: him had been torturing me since I was a little kid, 416 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: So I've had that in my whole life. So she 417 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: is now equating her husband, Joseph Ryan, with satan. I 418 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: want to go straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan. I 419 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: started with you a moment ago, Joe Scott, but I 420 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: got carried away with basically called mom Laurie Valo and 421 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: meeting she wanted to murder Joseph Ryan. That's pretty strong evidence, 422 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: Joe Scott. The decision for Joseph Ryan to be cremated 423 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: so quickly, Why would they just assign heart problems for 424 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: cod cause of death if he's decomposed that much? Is 425 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: it because they think they found heart medication there? Yeah? 426 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: And you know the thing that soup puzzlingly about this, 427 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: Nancy is the fact that he's rather young man at 428 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: the time of his death. It's not like this guy 429 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: was well up into his eighties, seventies, eighties, and and 430 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: this is and I don't know that necessarily he had 431 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: some kind of major cardiac event. Uh, we don't know 432 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: at this point in time. At least I don't because 433 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: I have yet to be able to review the autopsy 434 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: report as to whether or not he had, say, blockage 435 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: in his heart, if he had had a previous heart attack. 436 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,719 Speaker 1: Now I do know that he was on medication for 437 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: elevated cholesterol is called hyperlipidemia, so this draws him. Wait wait, wait, wait, 438 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: Joe Scott. Half of this country is on medication for cholestero. Okay, 439 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: so everybody wants to keep eating fat and red meat 440 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: and everything else. It gives you a high cholesterol. So 441 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, she says she wants to murder him, and bam, 442 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: he turns up dad and gets cremated because his body's 443 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: so decomposed. She finds out first that he's dead and 444 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: tells nobody in the family, Yeah, you know what, you 445 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: got off track? I asked you if the body's so 446 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: decomposed that they've got to cremate him, how the hey 447 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: did they come up with heart well? Because heart disease 448 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: is the number one killer in America. So I can 449 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: tell you no, that's their default position, Nancy, that's what 450 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: they're going to do. And listen, there's a thread that 451 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: should have been undetermined. Joe Scott should have been untermined. 452 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: There's a thread that runs through all of these cases 453 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: from the medical legal aspect, and it comes down to 454 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: one four letter word, and that is lazy. Lazy going 455 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: to say Lori l o RII. Well, when we begin 456 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: to think about Tammy, when we begin to think about 457 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: Tammy Davitt dies, it are asleep from natural causes. The 458 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 1: dies from an aneurism, natural causes. Everybody's dropping dead from 459 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: natural causes. Yeah, it's it's almost like we're dealing with 460 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: the angel of death and there is one other angels. 461 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: How about Lucifer. Maybe Lucifer was talking to her. I 462 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: don't know, but this is a day night. I think 463 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: you and I need to bud out of the religious 464 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: area and leave that to the religious scholars. And I'll 465 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: stick to the law and you stick to medical examinations 466 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: and death investigations. But I can tell you this much. 467 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: When somebody says I want to murder this guy and 468 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: he turns up dead by unknown causes and she finds 469 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: out he's dead and tells nobody. I mean, Annie Cushion 470 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: way in, you're Joe Ryan's sister, for Pete's sake. Absolutely, 471 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: I mean I agree with the analysist that this just 472 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: comes down to laziness. It just lost expeditious, like, oh well, 473 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: no one's no one's calling and inquiring about Joseph. We 474 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:48,239 Speaker 1: found medications. It was an external examination, so you know, 475 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: I agree with you. Annie. Did you just say they 476 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: did an external examination? Yes? They did. Yes, Joe Scott, 477 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: what so I can look at Jackie? Oh, yeah, she's 478 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: dead and heart attack. This just keeps getting better and better. No, 479 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: he keeps getting worse and worse. Well, like I said earlier, 480 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: it's a nightmare. And the problem is you can't go 481 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: back and correct this. You can't. He's been cremated, so 482 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: you can't go back. And even on a decomposed body 483 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: that been partially embalmed, you could go back and maybe 484 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: you could exhume the body and determine whether or not 485 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: he had an enlarged heart or if he had coordinara 486 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: artery disease, But that that that's left the stables. By 487 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: this point in time, there's nothing and I mean nothing 488 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: you can do at this point. And you know what 489 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: you Ryan, Joe Scott, that cow is out of the barn. 490 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: So Nate eaten with me, who is the the expert 491 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: on this case, Reporter East Idaho News dot Com. He 492 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: goes on, and I've got so much sound of Lori 493 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: Valo talking about wanting to kill Joseph Ryan, I was 494 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: going to murder him. I was going to kill him. 495 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: Like the scriptures, say, what script sure, what is she 496 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: talking about? Well, she's quoting some scriptures in the in 497 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: the Book of Mormon where a leader at the time 498 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: of profit was killed an evil man. This was an 499 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: evil leader who had killed thousands. So the comparison that 500 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: there really is no comparison here. She's trying to use that. 501 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: It sounds like to justify going after her ex husband 502 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: to kill him. But but you know, we spoke with 503 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: religious scholars about these exact scriptures he's quoting, and they've 504 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: pulled us. There's no comparison here. You can't compare these, 505 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: As you said, Christianity Mormonism, murder is not okay. It's 506 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: not okay. So Nate, where does this stand right now? Well, 507 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: right now, thanks to Ernie Cushing bringing this to lie. 508 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: The Scenics Police have announced that they're taking a look 509 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: at their investigation into Joseph's death, and you know this 510 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: has come in the past few days. They're going to 511 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: take a look into what exactly happened here are they 512 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: still quote taking a look into the cause of day 513 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: Tammy Davis that we are waiting on the autopsy results 514 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: for that. They have not made them public if they 515 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: have come out, but that is still an active investigation 516 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: by the Idaho Attorney General, along with whether potential charges 517 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 1: involving murder should come against Chad and Laurie. They are 518 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: sitting in jail. The trial has been moved pushed back 519 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: until next summer, and so there will be several more 520 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: months of new developments. I imagine we wait as justice unfalls. 521 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Krid's story signing off Goodbye f