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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Everyone, Welcome The Mother nos Death. On today's episode,

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Speaker 2: We're going to start off talking with our friend Rob

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Speaker 2: Shooter about the latest with the former Prince Andrew Arrest.

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Speaker 2: Rob is host of the Naughty Button Nice podcast and

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Speaker 2: also the author of a new book that's coming out

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Speaker 2: soon called It Started with a Whisper. Then later in

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Speaker 2: the episode, we'll talk about Robert Carodine's death, the latest

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Speaker 2: with Nick Reiner, the racial slur shouted out by a

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Speaker 2: person with Tourette's during the BAFTA Awards show, and Bonnie

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Speaker 2: Blues pregnancy. Then we'll get into a truly disturbing true

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Speaker 2: crime story involving a man who had sex with a

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Speaker 2: dead animal, and we'll finish up with a hospital and

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Speaker 2: funeral home that mixed up bodies causing the wrong person

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Speaker 2: to get buried.

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Speaker 3: We'll follow up with.

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Speaker 2: Your comments, questions, and emails, plus an announcement at the

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Speaker 2: end of our show of a new and possibly our

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Speaker 2: last live show since you know, the Little One is

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Speaker 2: coming soon.

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Speaker 3: Not forever, just for just for right now.

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Speaker 2: All that and more on today's episode, Hi, Rob, Welcome

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Speaker 2: the mother knows death.

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Speaker 1: No, Alana, thank you for having me. I'm a huge

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Speaker 1: fan of your show. Let me apologize right off the bat,

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Speaker 1: there is construction in my apartment. Can hear some binding?

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Speaker 1: I am not murdering any.

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Speaker 3: Free Are you sure about that?

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Speaker 2: Rob? So, as soon as we heard about this arrests

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Speaker 2: with Prince Andrew or the former Prince Andrew, we were like,

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Speaker 2: we need to talk to you because you're the expert,

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Speaker 2: so tell us everything you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be really lucky. So before I was a

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Speaker 1: gossip columnist, before, before I was a celebrity reporter, I

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Speaker 1: including Jennifer Lopez and Jessica Simpson, Alicia Keys. One of

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Speaker 1: of talking heads out there, a lot of experts who

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Speaker 1: talk about the Royals. They're great. I worked for them.

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Speaker 1: So not only am I a reporter, I have a

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Speaker 1: long history with the royal family. So when this story exploded,

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Speaker 1: when it happened, I was on the scenes. I was

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Speaker 1: hitting the phones, calling my sources during out what was

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Speaker 1: going on. And I'm really proud that we broke so

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Speaker 1: many of the big stories around and including including his

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Speaker 1: arrests just a few days ago.

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Speaker 3: So I had heard you report actually that he was

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Speaker 3: laying in bed when this happened, and it was totally

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Speaker 3: unexpected that. I find that so fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love those details, don't you, sir.

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Speaker 3: He was in bed.

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Speaker 1: He does not get out of bed very early, and

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Speaker 1: was about eight am local time in Britain. Unmarked cars,

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Speaker 1: unmarked members of the police. They arrived at the house.

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Speaker 1: They did not break down the door. So often when

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Speaker 1: come in with bratons and screaming and shouted. There wasn't

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Speaker 1: the case. They came in. He was in bed. He

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Speaker 1: He had no remorse, he had no fear. He was

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Speaker 1: somebody like him, somebody who has had enormous privilege for

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Speaker 1: sixty six years. He was on his birthday is now arrested,

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Speaker 1: So it was not something he expected. But let me

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Speaker 1: be honest with you, I don't think anybody expected that,

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Speaker 1: You and me would be in jail if we had

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Speaker 3: Do you think that they tried to go after him

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Speaker 3: But now that his mother's no longer alive, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: Really good questions. So what happened is in the early

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Speaker 1: pretty much made the Foreign Office hire him a sort

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Speaker 1: I think you're meant to go around the world and

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Speaker 1: Very quickly it became quite obvious to people working in

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Speaker 1: dodgy people, real strong men, children of dictators, people that

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Speaker 1: And so there were warning signs, there were red flags

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Speaker 1: I think one of the saddest things here is going

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Speaker 1: to be that we're going to have to really talk

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Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth, and now she's no longer here to defend herself.

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Speaker 1: But I think there's some really legitimate questions about what

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Speaker 1: did she know? What did he's brother? No, we're now

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Speaker 1: finding out the twelve million pounds he paid to settle

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Speaker 2: I've been seeing you talk on other programs about how

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Speaker 2: this could be the downfall of them, Like, explain that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that the monarchy now has very little function in Britain.

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Speaker 1: They're there purely because the public still wants them. For

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Speaker 1: metaphorically we're at that point where we're like, why do

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Speaker 1: They're bringing up really big questions at a time at

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Speaker 1: Even if they were the best behaved family in the world,

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Speaker 1: I think these questions would start coming up, why are

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Speaker 1: we paying all these people? I think were sick of oligarchs,

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Speaker 1: I think he deserves all of this, but I think

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Speaker 3: Part of I think too, just recently, people have a

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Speaker 3: And then they're just doing Oh there's nefarious things behind

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Speaker 1: What it is. It was sick of it, and I

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Speaker 1: The last time I saw anything like this happened then

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Speaker 1: And so I'm not wiping out the family just yet,

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Speaker 1: They don't change their course of business. They deserve to

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Speaker 1: is a fortune five hundred company. It's worth billions and

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Speaker 1: and that's not true. It's got to change.

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Speaker 3: So what happens to him now he's been stripped of

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Speaker 3: What does he do now to make money? Does he

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Speaker 3: just he doesn't depend on them anymore he does he does.

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Speaker 1: Listen, if we had his personal wealth would be fine.

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Speaker 1: His grandmother left him millions. His mother left him millions.

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Speaker 1: with a lot of people too, so the cash poor.

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Speaker 1: But they have a lot of assets. Most of those

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Speaker 1: assets don't belong to them, they belong to the state. However,

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Speaker 1: the many homes that they do privately own are worth

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Speaker 1: in the family. What there isn't money for him is

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Speaker 1: So he's living rent free now up in Norfolk, and

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Speaker 1: and my sources are telling me this is terribly embarrassing

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Speaker 1: They're sort of secretly hoping Andrew does go to jail

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Speaker 2: So he's in this mental health facility and he was

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Speaker 3: There was something. I feel like he had a history

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00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 3: of schizophrenia. I don't. I don't know off the top

436
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: of my head if it was an official diagnosis or

437
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: there was speculation for it. But there had been drugs involved.

438
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: Like like treat he was being treated for something for

439
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: some kind of like psychotic episodes and stuff. I mean,

440
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: did you see the video of him? He looks he

441
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: looks I keep thinking like, because remember the night before

442
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: they got murdered, they were at some party and everyone

443
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 2: at the party was like concerned about his behavior. Did

444
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 2: he look like that at the party, because he looks

445
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: like unhinged?

446
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 3: I don't know. They were at connin'brien's Christmas party, and

447
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 3: I think people were saying that he was going up

448
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 3: to them being like who are you and why are

449
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: you famous? Which they were just like, well, who the

450
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 3: hell are you?

451
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 2: He just looks like someone like if you were at

452
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: the mall, or like walking up the street and he

453
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: came up to you, you would just know right away, like,

454
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: this guy's not mentally well, well you have that.

455
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 3: So a history of a mental condition mixed with excessive

456
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 3: drug use, which is really scary to put together. It

457
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 3: is scary. I just think that.

458
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 2: I guess I was a little bit more shocked because

459
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: he's been monitored, like they were saying at this treatment

460
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 2: center that he was on suicide watch. He's in a

461
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: cell all by himself, and he's only allowed to contact

462
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: with his legal counsel and the staff that are there,

463
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: and he's monitored every fifteen minutes. So he's got psychiatrist, psychotherapists,

464
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: they're giving him his psych meds that he has to

465
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: take now that they're making him take. Like I thought

466
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: he I just thought he might have looked a little

467
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 2: bit more like mentally just like he looks like an

468
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 2: untreated person, That's what I'm trying to say, instead of

469
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 2: someone that's like has close monitoring right now.

470
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I kind of feel like he just has

471
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: that look because even when you look at that picture

472
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 3: they were using in the press a lot of him

473
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: and Rob b Reiner doing that interview together over ten

474
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 3: years ago, and he was allegedly in between Stinton rehab,

475
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 3: so possibly sober at that time. I mean he looked

476
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: like not well, he looked out and he was crazy

477
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: behind the eyes.

478
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: So but not like not like this though, this is

479
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: like a whole other level of.

480
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean not like not like this, but yeah,

481
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: I mean he's all he's all over the place. I

482
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: wasn't really surprised that he looked like disheveled like that

483
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: and not okay in court. I think he's just gonna

484
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: get worse, honestly.

485
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: So a story came out yesterday that in fact, the

486
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: brother and sister are not paying for his legal counsel,

487
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: and I I mean we and that's probably what happened

488
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: with that dude. Remember they hired that fan, that guy,

489
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: that fancy guy was hired at first.

490
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, they hired Alan Jackson, who represented Karen Reid and

491
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: he's I think he represented Harvey Weinstein in the past too,

492
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 3: so he's really really famous criminal defense attorney. But that

493
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 3: guy's not gonna work for free.

494
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 2: Yes, So he initially got high and then it was like, oh,

495
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: unforeseen circumstances, I'm not working here anymore. And you're like,

496
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 2: what that the check did and clear? Because that's the

497
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: only I mean, that just makes sense.

498
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because especially now that he's being represented by

499
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 3: a public defender, because I feel like we had questions

500
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 3: before that he probably had a trust and maybe the

501
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 3: money was coming out of the trust. I feel like

502
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: we addressed it. Maybe we addressed this with Jarrett when

503
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: he was on our episode A couple.

504
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, Actually, I wonder if because typically

505
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 2: you have you know, like when we do our estate

506
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: planning for our family, for example, it's just like there's

507
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: different rules in there as of right now for the

508
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: kids getting stuff, because like you're an established adult and

509
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: they're miners, right, so like as they get older and

510
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: they turn eighteen and things like things, the paperwork's going

511
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: to change. Right. Do you think it's possible that Rob

512
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: Reiner kind of like took his daughter and the other

513
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: son aside and was just like, listen, in case anything

514
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: happens to us, we're gonna make sure everything goes to

515
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,199
Speaker 2: you too, because we don't need him the way he

516
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 2: is on top of how he is getting any money,

517
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: and maybe they set aside, like there's this money we

518
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 2: want you to give him every month to live, but

519
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: they what I'm saying is like, are they one hundred

520
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: percent in control of the money and he has absolutely

521
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 2: no access to any of his money?

522
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that totally being a thing where

523
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 3: they're like, clearly, you know what's going on with your brother.

524
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: He's been like this your whole lives, So we need

525
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: him to be taken care of, but we can't trust

526
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: him with it. So maybe they act as some type

527
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: of power of attorney over anything he was set to

528
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 3: inherit or any trust fund he had. So yeah, I

529
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 3: definitely think that could be the case. I remember seeing

530
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: something about it. I just don't know off the top

531
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: of my eye that's said about it.

532
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 2: That's not automatically, Like it's not automatically in writing, like

533
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: when Gabe and I died, like it gets split between

534
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: the three of you if it's not in writing. So

535
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: it's like the fact, and I'm sure like they're they

536
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 2: have like huge estate planning and all that kind of stuff.

537
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: Like if that's all in writing and there's wills and

538
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: trust and all that stuff, it's quite possible that that

539
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: they have nothing going to him, which which was like,

540
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: think about that from the perspective of a parent and

541
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: putting that in writing that you don't want one of

542
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: your kids to get your fortune because of how terrible

543
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: you think he is or he may be in the future.

544
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: So I'm pretty sure that's exactly what happened. I mean,

545
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: we don't know because they won't say what happened, but like, why,

546
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: like why would he have one of the best defense

547
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: attorneys in the world and now all of a sudden,

548
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, I'll just have the public defender.

549
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: It's the money, Like Alan Jackson is not working for free.

550
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: And at first I was speculating maybe he dropped out

551
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: because he was like, there's absolutely no way I'm winning

552
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: this case. But what does it matter if you're getting

553
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: paid at the end of the day, Right, yeah, exactly,

554
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: But now he's a public defender, like the fact that

555
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 3: he hasn't now hired another attorney. I mean, I'm sure

556
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: Alan Jackson jumped on this case being like, oh, it's

557
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: the Rhiners and they got some serious wealth, so of

558
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: course I'll take it because I was contacted about it.

559
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: And then when they see the reality of the situation,

560
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 3: because I think he just worded it like circumstances beyond

561
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: his control. Technically, yes, it is. They're not gonna be

562
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: like he's broke and I'm not dealing with it. And

563
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: I don't know that he.

564
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: Would have turned it down because it was a slam

565
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: dunk because we don't know all of the information. But like, again,

566
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: we have this woman we talk about on this show sometimes,

567
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: Lindsey Clancy, who was who was a mom, a seemingly

568
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: loving mother, looks like she had postpartum depression, was on

569
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: all these different medications and then killed her three children

570
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: and tried to kill herself. And I know, so at

571
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: least you and I feel like there needs to be

572
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: some kind of oversight and responsibility as far as medications

573
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: being handed out by multiple doctors and people taking them

574
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: and then the effects of their actions afterwards. Right, Yeah,

575
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: so they they might possibly try to use that angle

576
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: dependent because we don't know anything about his treatment and

577
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: if he was actively using at the time, like, we

578
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: don't know anything. And they gathered him pretty quickly after

579
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: these murders occurred, so they were able to do toxicology

580
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: on him to see exactly what was in his system

581
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 2: around the time of the murders. So that'll all come out,

582
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: like honestly, like I was thinking about this, but ever

583
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: since that happened, we don't have autopsy reports, we don't

584
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: have toxicology on him, and we don't have any really

585
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: anything else. Since it happened, we don't have much more information.

586
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 3: No, and considering now he's pleaded not guilty, I mean,

587
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 3: this thing is possibly going to trial, which I will

588
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: be interested to just see what they present in court.

589
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't I don't blame him for

590
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: saying not guilty, because like, what do you have to

591
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: lose at that point, Like it's your you're you're you're

592
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: going to jail for the rest of your life if not.

593
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: I mean they were saying it could potentially be a

594
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: death penalty case.

595
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 3: But was it like not guilty. Was it not guilty

596
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 3: by reason of insanity? Or he should I don't know,

597
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: because like when we look at that surveillance of him

598
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 3: going into the convenience store after, it doesn't really seem

599
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: like he was one hundred percent out of his mind. No,

600
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: it's it's some mental clarity. It doesn't.

601
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I mean, we do we

602
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: do defend Lindsey Clancy, who also did certain things that

603
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: would make you think that she wasn't out of her

604
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: mind at that point too, So I guess you have

605
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: to They're going to have to have a psychiatrist and

606
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: experts of the interactions with these medications and if it

607
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: could cute cause periods of a person being like semi

608
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: alert of their surroundings and what's going on and then

609
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: like kind of snap and just you know, having a

610
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: cute psychotic episode. Like I'm obviously I'm not an expert

611
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: in that area, but I feel like that's where they're

612
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: going to go with the Lindsay Clancy one. And I

613
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: really feel like they're going to do that here, unless

614
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: they try to do some crazy shit like oh, he

615
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: was mosted his whole life like a Menandez thing or what.

616
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, I'm interested to see it, And like,

617
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: I don't even think overall we necessarily defend Lindsey Clancy.

618
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 3: I think we just have to point out it's the

619
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: same with Ellen Greenberg that nobody wants to talk about,

620
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: Like nobody wants to talk about the cocktail of medication

621
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: she was on before her death, and the same with

622
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: Lindsay Clancy, Like they're certainly going to be bringing this

623
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: up in court. But yeah, I feel like doctors need

624
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: to start holding some more responsibility for how loose they

625
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: are prescribing stuff to people.

626
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 2: You know, I actually defend her, like I do. I

627
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: really have looked into that case. I've excessively looked into

628
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: that case and all of the history around it, and

629
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: there's no indication between interviews with her coworkers. Her husband

630
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: is standing by her. She killed his three children, Like

631
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: you know, if and I keep thinking about that, like

632
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: it if that happened in my life, for example, and

633
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: Gabe like really thought that I was this mom that

634
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: he thinks I am now and something like that happened,

635
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: he would stand by me. But like if he knew

636
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: that I was an asshole and I was abusive and

637
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: I hated my kids and I wanted them to die,

638
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: he wouldn't stand by me, like.

639
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 3: They had.

640
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: The police that even went on the scene in that

641
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: case had said that everything they looked at was just

642
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: extra depressing because the kids were living in a home

643
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: where it looked like.

644
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: The mother loved them.

645
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: There were pictures of them on the wall, there were

646
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 2: toys all over, There was like active playing and engagement

647
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: with the children. It wasn't an abuse neglect situation. Like

648
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: the whole thing to me just screams of too much

649
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: medication and it on top of dealing with postpartum and

650
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: the go on this take off this, plus you have

651
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: a little baby that you're not sleeping.

652
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: It was just like a combination of all that stuff.

653
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know because the trial, well is

654
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 3: she actually going on trial, because I know that's the summer,

655
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: so she's going on trial. I believe that they just

656
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: wheeled her into court for the first time because all

657
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: of her things have been over zoomed so far, and

658
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: I really like, listen, I'll totally change my view if

659
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 3: they come out in court and show evidence from like

660
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: the cell phone and this and that that she was

661
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: like having an affair and wanted to kill her kids

662
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 3: and stuff. But like, as of what's presented at this point,

663
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: I you defend that. Yeah, I mean, everything we know

664
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: right now, it totally seems like it's leaning towards a

665
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: medication issue. It's just I hate talking about this case

666
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 3: because like it's having postpartum depression anxieties that gooses anything

667
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 3: current biggest fear right now. So it just like worries

668
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: me because if they actually proved she was in totally

669
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: normal state of mind and was just suffering from something

670
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 3: and was over prescribed medications that put her in the

671
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: state where she murdered her three kids. How terrifying is

672
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: that as a pregnant person or a mother to think

673
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: about something like it is terrifying, and it's and it's happened,

674
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 3: It's happened before. She wouldn't be the first case of it.

675
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: So all right, let's move on to this viral story

676
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 3: this weekend about these BAFTA Awards and what was happening there.

677
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: So there was this guy there, John Davidson. He was

678
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: in attendance. He is somebody that not only suffers from

679
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 3: Tourette syndrome, but he's an active spokesperson and is the

680
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: inspiration for the film I Swear, which was nominated. So

681
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: throughout the show people were hearing him yelling profanities like boring, bullshit,

682
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 3: shut the fuck up, et cetera. But later on, as

683
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo were presenting, who're both

684
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 3: black actors, by the way, people heard this guy shout

685
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 3: the N word.

686
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And of course the moment went viral, and it's

687
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: it's very the reactions are very mixed online and a

688
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: lot of people, like a lot of people are are

689
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 2: mad about it and think it was done intentionally, and

690
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: I just think, you know, you you just read the

691
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: comments and it's so one or the other, like he

692
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: was racist and he meant it, or he has Churette's

693
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: and he didn't mean it. And it's just like, why

694
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 2: can't both be true? Like the guys were on stage

695
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: getting an award talking and and like it's it's embarrassing

696
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: and degrading to hear something like that. So that's true,

697
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: and at the same time, you literally have a guest

698
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 2: of honor pretty much that a movie is about for

699
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: this very exact thing, because this guy, his whole entire life,

700
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: is screaming out the most outrageous stuff and the movie

701
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 2: is supposed to take stigma away from that condition, and

702
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: yet everybody's stigmatizing him for his condition exactly.

703
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 3: The two sides of the internet are like, if you

704
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 3: justify him, you're racist, but if you or against it,

705
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: you're ablests. So like you can't win either way, and

706
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: it's like, this is a bizarre thing. A lot of

707
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 3: criticism is at the BAFTAs is that they were on

708
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: a two hour delay, So why wasn't it edited out?

709
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: Because it's embarrassing for all parties involved.

710
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: And that and listen like that that should have been,

711
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: Like this is the thing I've I've personally witnessed people

712
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: who have had this and and I do feel I

713
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: feel terrible for them because you know a lot of

714
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: people online were saying, well, he wouldn't have said it

715
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 2: if it wasn't in his vocabulary. And it's just like, listen,

716
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: it's in all of our vocabularies because otherwise we wouldn't

717
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: know it was a bad word, and we wouldn't know

718
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: we shouldn't say it. So it's in all of our brains.

719
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how you think of it, like if

720
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: you think it's a good word to stay out loud

721
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: or a bad word to stay out loud, Like it's

722
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: in everybody's brain.

723
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: Like this is not the case of the HGTV lady

724
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 3: that said it by accident while filming something like a

725
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 3: week or two ago, right, like this is a person

726
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 3: that has a condition specifically related to shouting things like this.

727
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 2: I mean, listen to this was I know Maria said

728
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: some of the things that happened, but like this was one,

729
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: So I guess there were people on stage that were

730
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: talking about just like some of the housekeeping with the

731
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: award show, and he just he just screams out loud

732
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 2: and goes boring, right, like do you think that he

733
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 2: wants to do that? So everybody turns around and looks

734
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: at him. Then there were people that were making introductory remarks,

735
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 2: one of the main people there, and he just was

736
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: like bullshit, right, It's just like these random words that

737
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: are just in your head come out, like I mean,

738
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: think of all the words in your head. Sometimes you

739
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: have thoughts or something and they're not good or it's

740
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: not like that, even though it's just like a rambling

741
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: of random words that are picked out and just blurted out.

742
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 3: And I think the whole point of.

743
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: That movie that was made about his life is to

744
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 2: show people how terrible it is to be an adult

745
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: living in the world. Like I was on a train

746
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: with somebody once when I was working at the hospital

747
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: that the entire time, you know, she's by herself and

748
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: she's just screaming out like motherfucker, and and I'm like, God,

749
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: that's I felt so terrible for her because like everybody's

750
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: staring people think that you're crazy. They think that you're

751
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: like you're not of sound mind, why else would you

752
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: be screaming that stuff out? And you and then you,

753
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: you know, you think she doesn't feel bad that she's

754
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: saying motherfucker on a train where there's like little children

755
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: president stuff like, it's it's not anything that anybody would

756
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: would want to wish on their worst enemies. So but

757
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: but they're like, now it's just so ironic that that,

758
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,760
Speaker 2: like this guy goes there and it's like, well, they're

759
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 2: finally listening, they're finally trying to spread awareness, and now

760
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 2: everybody's villainizing him again.

761
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: It's exactly what he didn't want exactly. So like, I

762
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 3: guess this is just a hard place to be because,

763
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: like you know, he is literally there for that reason

764
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: to spread awareness about this, and people are criticizing him,

765
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: being like if this was even a possibility, why would

766
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: you even go? But like he's there to try to

767
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: bread awareness for this thing that he has no control

768
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: list there. But I think people should be more mad

769
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 3: at the BAF doest I was just scaring to say

770
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 3: it out.

771
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that, like I thought that was a

772
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: live situation. So if they didn't air it out, they

773
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 2: did it on purpose because they wanted to stir up shit.

774
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you have the host Alan Cummings coming

775
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 3: out just being like, sorry, if you're offended. I think

776
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 3: that's what pissed people off more because you're like, obviously,

777
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: if this happened, right, it was gonna come out on

778
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: social media that it happened, and we shouldn't downplay that

779
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 3: it happened. But the fact that it did happen and

780
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: they were on such a significant delay where they could

781
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 3: have cut it out, and then they continue to air

782
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 3: it and then just dismissed it as like, sorry if

783
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: you're offended, Like that's what's pissing everybody off. And it's

784
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: like it's just an impossible situation because it's like it's

785
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 3: it's one hundred percent not write what he said, but

786
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: he also has a condition that makes this possible. So

787
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: where do you land? Nah, they should? I mean, I

788
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: feel like.

789
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: It's just like a weird it's a weird set of

790
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: circumstances and it's not it is not right that that

791
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: these guys though, had to stay on stage and hear

792
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: that either no, absolutely not so, and I'm I would

793
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: hope that prior to this that they would say listen,

794
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: and I feel like they did. I feel like they said, like, hey,

795
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 2: we have some people in the audience that have turetts,

796
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: and they have this this very rare you know, subset

797
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: of people with turets have this very rare form in

798
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: which they yell out explicit words, right, and and you

799
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: might hear things because like, listen, nobody, nobody gave a

800
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: shit that they were saying bullshit to the lady that

801
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: was standing up there, and and like boring and all

802
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: this stuff, right, But then it's like they should have

803
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 2: maybe included and then let like you're gonna hear curse words,

804
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: but also you might hear words that are racist, offensive, whatever,

805
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: because he could have said it about any race, not

806
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: just black people, right, and and like if people were

807
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: okay with that, then the recording at least it just

808
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 2: would have been the people in the room that hurt

809
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: it and it wouldn't be what it is today.

810
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: And then you got.

811
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: Like like Jamie Fox is posting underneath being like nah

812
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: that he meant that kind of and and he's like

813
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: super famous and has a big following, and just like

814
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: the guy is in a worse position he was than

815
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: before he made a film trying to bring awareness to

816
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 2: his condition.

817
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 3: I just think it's like I think it's like embarrassing

818
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 3: to the actors that had that happened to them in

819
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 3: such a public space, and then it's embarrassing to the

820
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: guy for highlighting this thing. He said that he has

821
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: a confirmed, diagnosed, documented medical condition that makes sea things

822
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: come out. So it's just it's it's an impossible situation

823
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: to be I'm sure the comments are gonna be like

824
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 3: saying both ways, we're wrong, whatever, but like it's an

825
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: impossible situation to be in.

826
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it listen, it is it is what

827
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 2: it is like, it's it's it's it's there's no wrong

828
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: about it. He has a condition and that's what happens.

829
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: You have you know, any it's anything could come out,

830
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: and that's part of the embarrassment because you don't know,

831
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 2: like think of all the social situations that you're in

832
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: throughout your life. You're at a wedding, you're meeting a girlfriend,

833
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: a boyfriend, whatever, and god knows what's coming out, Like

834
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: you just have no idea. I mean, it's like it's

835
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: like being you know, being with a little kid that

836
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: just speaks their mind kind of but even worse, like

837
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 2: you don't know what they're going to say, and kids

838
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 2: say shit like that sometimes too, but they get away

839
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: with it. Lillian actually was just saying that yesterday, like

840
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: she wanted to go to that Remember we did that

841
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: girl's trip with momm and we went overnight at that

842
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 2: that bear Pla whatever it is called. And she was like,

843
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 2: you know what I remember from that trip? And I

844
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: was like, what she said? I remember I told Mom

845
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: she looked fat in her pants. And I said, I said,

846
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: what do you mean? Because now this was I remember that.

847
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 2: She had to be like five, right, like five ish six.

848
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 3: It was a month. It was in twenty twenty one.

849
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: It was like February of twenty twenty one, so it

850
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: was a year five.

851
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she was seven, So she was seven, Okay,

852
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: so she's seven years old. And she she said, well,

853
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: I said, well, why did you say that? And she said, well,

854
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: I looked over at her and her pants looked really

855
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: weird and she just looked fat. So I just thought

856
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: that I would say it, and I didn't know that

857
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 2: you weren't supposed to say that stuff. So I'm like okay,

858
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: so so, but like and and that's like from a

859
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: child's perspective, but like two things could be the same.

860
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 2: It's just like my mom could My mom was probably

861
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: upset about that when she said it, right, but like

862
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 2: it also she just little kids.

863
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: She doesn't know better.

864
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: Right. This is even different because this guy knows better

865
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 2: and knows he doesn't want to say it, but it

866
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: just comes out. So I don't think he was just like,

867
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna use this opportunity to like

868
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: blast these guys on stage right now and show them

869
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: whose boss.

870
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 3: Like that's not what happened. Yeah, I don't know. It's

871
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 3: just it's an impossible it's an impossible situation. It's it

872
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 3: truly couldn't. I think it could have gone worse for

873
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: all parties, honestly. All right, now, let's.

874
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: Talk about a story that I think we could all

875
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 2: agree this person is a complete like scum of the earth.

876
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: Does anybody agree with us?

877
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: All?

878
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: Miss There's no way so only fans. Creator Bonnie Blue

879
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: has revealed that she's pregnant after a stunt where she

880
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: had unprotected sex with over four hundred men.

881
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: Like what what was the point of having unprotected sex

882
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: with four hundred men.

883
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: She's not fucking pregnant. Okay, I watched a full video

884
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 3: tortured myself this morning, this six minute YouTube video. Six

885
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 3: minutes out of my life. I will never get back

886
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: watching this dumb person.

887
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: Explain what her So, she's so dumb and like not,

888
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: I don't even understand. She looks old and tan and

889
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: just not even I don't understand the attraction.

890
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: Whatever. Like she's a big only fans creator. I think

891
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 3: that she reported she makes over a million dollars a month.

892
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: She's like one of their top generators. Whatever. So she

893
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 3: made this YouTube video saying she started feeling sick and

894
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: having migraines, so she took a pregnancy test, which was positive,

895
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: and then she went for private, a private let me

896
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 3: just keep creatoring net a private scan. So the whole

897
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: time she's totally chill about it, and they're doing an

898
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 3: ultrasound on her belly, not with like the legit big machine.

899
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 3: Like when I had my embryo transfer, they had to

900
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 3: like check my bladder to make sure it was full,

901
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 3: and they just had this little wand with like an

902
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 3: iPad they checked my bladder. It was that the doctor's

903
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: quote unquote in this video are wearing ski masks. You

904
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 3: can't see their identity or anything. It's like super bizarre.

905
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: And she's just so chill and they're like, oh, yeah,

906
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: there's definitely a baby in there, and she goes, oh,

907
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 3: so Bonnie Blues breeding mission was a success. So she's

908
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 3: calling this event having unprotected sex with four hundred men

909
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: a breeding mission, which like, what are you even talking about?

910
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: That's disgusting. So I'm just I'm just calling bullshit because

911
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 3: it's like she asked the guy how old this baby

912
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 3: is and he's like, well, to me, it seems like

913
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: the conception happened. They're about two weeks ago, which was

914
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 3: when she had the event, And I'm like, I'm sorry,

915
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: you would not see that on that type of ultrasound

916
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: that early two weeks think about.

917
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: This, well, it's it's it's not two weeks though, because

918
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 2: it would be based on the last menstrual period, so like.

919
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean. Like she even effects

920
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 3: on a Saturday, and then like two saturdays later her

921
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: ultrasound showed a baby in it.

922
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, if that's the case, but they would you know,

923
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: that's like you wouldn't even they wouldn't even do an

924
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: ultrasound that early.

925
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. So, like from my personal experience,

926
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: it's like my first ultrasound, which was vaginal, by the way,

927
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: not on my to.

928
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 2: Be honest, listen, if it was only two weeks after

929
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 2: she had said I'm not sure, are you like one

930
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: hundred percent sure of that? Because if she took a

931
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: urine test two weeks after getting pregnant, it likely wouldn't

932
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: even be positive yet.

933
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. So the pregnancy test was positive,

934
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 3: which like they didn't show the full time lapse. It's

935
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: edited so like it could have been from anywhere there

936
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: was a positive test, but like her friend could be

937
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 3: pregnant or something. You could mock that. So I'm calling

938
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: bullshit on that. There was no mention of labs or

939
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 3: anything getting done. And then she automatically goes to this

940
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: private ultrasound place and they're just like, yeah, babies in there.

941
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 3: They didn't even show it on the screen. I don't

942
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 3: believe it. Think about this. My first ultrasound, which was vaginal,

943
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: was on September twenty ninth, which was ten days after

944
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 3: my blood work said I was pregnant and My implantation

945
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 3: was September eleventh, so I had a five day old

946
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: blast assist transferred into me on September eleventh, and I

947
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: could not get an ultrasound until the twenty nine.

948
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, I know I understand that, but like

949
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 2: so I just still don't understand. So she had sex

950
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: with four hundred guys and like she wasn't using protection

951
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: and all of these people were aware of this, Like

952
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: did they screen all of these people for STIs and stuff?

953
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: Like how she said they were tested, but they quote

954
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 3: filled her up real cute and really nice, real classy,

955
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 3: so they were all tested. And then something in the

956
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 3: TMZ article said that she had collected DNA from all

957
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: of them, so she'll be.

958
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: Able to tell who the dad is, and they were

959
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: all okay with this.

960
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: I don't buy any of this. I think it's a

961
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 3: total dad.

962
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 2: Like actually, did the whole four hundred guys thing even happen?

963
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 2: Is they're like documentation that that even really happened.

964
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 3: I don't know. And then you have to have questions

965
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 3: of like wouldn't that be fun? What if you meet

966
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 3: a man that like participated in this.

967
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: What if it came out that she was like still

968
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 2: a virgin, and this whole entire, her whole, entire OnlyFans

969
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: thing was a lie, Like she just made these stories up. Well,

970
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't know. I mean, I'm just I'm

971
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 2: just saying what the news is saying, Like I don't

972
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 2: know if it's true or not. She and then she said, quote, guys,

973
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: I'm definitely pregnant, like fully pregnant. It's opposed to not

974
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 2: fully pregnant.

975
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

976
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna have to ask chat Ept what to

977
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: do next because I actually I'm not quite sure.

978
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. Kind of right, it's

979
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: totally made up. She has two hundred thousand views on

980
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: this YouTube video in one day. She totally made it up.

981
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: There's no way it's true, especially if she's basing it

982
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: off this ultratound. I'm just like, I couldn't even get

983
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 3: an ultrasound til I was five over five weeks vaginally,

984
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: and you the baby is barely there. It's like a blob, right,

985
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 3: you could barely see him in there. And then I

986
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: couldn't get one on my stomach until I was like

987
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 3: thirteen weeks. So what is she even talking about?

988
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll see, We'll see what happened. Did

989
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 2: you see Mariy Povich did a post and said, stop

990
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: tagging me on this.

991
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,920
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992
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:14,279
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993
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994
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995
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,920
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996
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,319
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997
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1015
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1023
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1027
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 3: driving down the road and called nine to one one

1028
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 3: when he saw a man having sex with a dead deer.

1029
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: Like what, I would just be like, what am I

1030
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: looking at right now? I wouldn't even believe it. It

1031
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: just seems like I say this all the time. To Ricky,

1032
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, said, what were we talking about the other day? Oh,

1033
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 2: when we first started dating, we were walking around in

1034
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 2: Center City and like a homeless guy like flashed his

1035
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: dick at me, right, and Ricky almost went to jail.

1036
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 3: He was like so angry about it. And I was

1037
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 3: just like, I don't know, I've been going to school

1038
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 3: here for four years and this happens all the time,

1039
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 3: Like it's just like it just happens, right, And He's

1040
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: just like, what do you mean it just happens? And

1041
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 3: I'm like, I think when somebody like flashes you like that,

1042
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: You're just like, did I really just see that? Is

1043
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 3: it really happening? And I feel like that might have

1044
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 3: been what's going through disguy's mind, Like what am I

1045
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 3: looking at right now? But there's literally nothing else that

1046
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 3: could be going on. So thankfully he actually called police

1047
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 3: instead of ignoring it.

1048
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the police show up and they find this

1049
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 2: guy covered in blood and deer hair, like having sex

1050
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 2: with an animal, like not even an animal. The animal

1051
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 2: is The animal is one level, and then the dead

1052
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 2: animal is just like another disturbing level.

1053
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 3: Really disturbing. And there is a term for this necro bestiality,

1054
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: because I was like, what happens when you combine bestiality

1055
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: and necrophilia together. That is the term for it, which

1056
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: means it's happened before, which is very disturbing to think about,

1057
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 3: which is possibly going through this man's.

1058
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: There's rarely documented cases of it, but it has been

1059
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 2: documented before. And we know, like necrophilia's is a bigger

1060
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: thing to have sex with a dead person, and there's

1061
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: all sorts of different rules with that. But a lot

1062
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 2: of the a lot of people that you know, study

1063
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 2: this particular disorder phenomenon, whatever you want to call it,

1064
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: say that it's because of just a complete it's a

1065
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: complete control issue, and and you're scared of being rejected.

1066
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: And in this case, it's just like if the animal

1067
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: is dead, there's no rejection. There's no one telling you,

1068
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: you know, they don't want this and things, and it's

1069
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 2: just it's just so disturbing and thinking about I mean,

1070
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if he killed the deer or if

1071
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: it was just like roadkill or what happened. I mean,

1072
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 2: I would assume that this is not the first time

1073
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 2: this guy did this. If he pulled over to the

1074
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: side of the road and saw a dead deer and

1075
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: was doing this. You can't imagine that this is the

1076
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: first time he did it. It's just bizarre that he

1077
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: was doing it so publicly, some so publicly. I mean,

1078
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: we've had a couple stories on the show over the

1079
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: past couple of years of people having sex with animals,

1080
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 2: and which is it's just so disturbing on another level

1081
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: of anything else.

1082
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 3: But the dead animal thing is just like and you see.

1083
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 2: The guy, You're just like, Okay, this guy is like

1084
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 2: seriously sick, like seriously no for real.

1085
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 3: So he was arrested in charge with sex crimes against

1086
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 3: an animal only five thousand dollars bond. But I mean,

1087
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 3: what are you supposed to do in this case.

1088
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: It's weird because I know that it is considered abuse

1089
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: of a corpse in some states. I'm not sure if

1090
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 2: it is in all states actually, because I mean technically,

1091
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: like if it was roguekill, he didn't he didn't kill

1092
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 2: the animal, and like it's not hurting anymore. But you're

1093
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: just like, this guy just shouldn't be allowed to walk around.

1094
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: And I mean, five thousand dollars, he could be home

1095
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 2: right now and be at the grocery store. This afternoon

1096
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: and you could see him like, oh yeah, I don't

1097
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: really want that guy walking around like that.

1098
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: It's just.

1099
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: It's so disturbing, and and like I don't know much

1100
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: about the subject, but like, does it escalate from there?

1101
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 2: Does what else happens? Okay after somebody does something like that?

1102
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 3: Do you think that's what it was?

1103
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: Though?

1104
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 3: That he was doing it in private with like animal

1105
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 3: corps as he would come across in the woods, and

1106
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: then he just got to a point where he was like,

1107
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: I just don't care, Like my sexual desire for this

1108
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 3: is just overcoming my rational thinking and I don't care

1109
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 3: if anybody sees me.

1110
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: It's so it's just really scary that that that that

1111
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 2: desire within someone could take over any rational thought of

1112
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 2: appropriateness or just you know, a moral a moral line

1113
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: or anything.

1114
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: It's it's well, you can argue that with all this

1115
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 3: stuff with Epstein, right, It's like these people are probably

1116
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 3: doing it in private to some extent, and then they

1117
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 3: just stop caring and start bringing these girls out in

1118
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 3: public and just nobody. And maybe it attributes to what

1119
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 3: I said earlier too, like maybe people are seeing this,

1120
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 3: but you're like, I just can't be seeing this, This

1121
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 3: just cannot be true. This grown man cannot be having

1122
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 3: this like fourteen year old child out in public. Like

1123
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 3: it must be a girl that's older that looked young.

1124
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: And maybe that's why it goes on for so long,

1125
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 3: because people just are in such denial that people are

1126
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: just so public about doing things like this.

1127
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: I'm telling you one time, when I was working in

1128
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 2: the city, we were out to lunch and I saw

1129
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: an older guy that looked like he was probably in

1130
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: his forties to fifties with a really young girl that

1131
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 2: I thought she wasn't like a kid, but I definitely

1132
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 2: thought that she was like thirteen or fourteen based upon

1133
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: what I looked at. And but like, what, like what

1134
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 2: do I do as a person sitting in a restaurant

1135
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 2: about because like she could I guess she could have

1136
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: been eighteen, you know, like you don't know, Like sometimes

1137
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 2: you look at kids, you you know, my kids are

1138
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: around this age, and it's like some of them look

1139
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 2: like full on teenagers. Other ones look like they're ten

1140
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: or eleven. It's just like a range. So what am

1141
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: I gonna do? Call the cops on somebody, or like

1142
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: go up to him and be like, can I see

1143
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 2: her id like, it's just like an awkward situation.

1144
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And that's why I feel like people get

1145
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: ballsy with it and then nobody knows what to do

1146
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 3: or they just are in denial of what's happening. And

1147
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 3: then plus you don't know their relationship like as it

1148
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 3: is stepped up, Like I didn't see them like touching

1149
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 3: or anything, but it looked like they were on a date.

1150
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 3: But I don't know, like you know what I mean.

1151
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: So a lot of it's just like people do see

1152
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 2: things happening right in front of their face, but what

1153
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 2: do you do about it in that situation?

1154
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1155
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 3: I mean even one time this is so gross is

1156
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 3: that Olive garden with my dad when I was like fifteen.

1157
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 3: That is somebody It's like somebody was like, are you

1158
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 3: what about for your girlfriend? And I was like, this

1159
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 3: is why I remgusting, disgusting, but like you guys are young,

1160
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 3: so whatever, like but ew, that was gross. I mean

1161
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 3: it happened a lot like especially the older I started getting.

1162
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 3: But I'm also like, we like really look alike, so

1163
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: nobody's like maybe their brother and sister at the very least.

1164
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 3: It was just gross, all right. This last one is

1165
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 3: totally unacceptable. On Christmas, the seventy five year old woman's

1166
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 3: house caught on fire. She was taken to the hospital

1167
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 3: and died five days later on December thirtieth. So at

1168
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 3: some point the funeral had picked her up, and then

1169
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: the family had a close casket burial for her on

1170
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 3: January nineteenth, and then the next day the hot the

1171
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 3: day after the funeral, the hospital contacts the funeral home

1172
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 3: and says, oh, sorry, we actually give you the wrong body.

1173
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 3: Like what you're talking about, This this can happen.

1174
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: We had a couple of situations where I was working that,

1175
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 2: like a body bag was mislabeled, and it is possible

1176
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: that it could happen, and that's why there's multiple checks

1177
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 2: along the way to ensure that something like that doesn't happen.

1178
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 2: So when a person dies on the floor, they put

1179
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 2: a toe tag on them, and then they put them

1180
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 2: in a body bag, and then they put a toe

1181
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 2: tag on the body bag too, And some hospitals even

1182
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 2: go extra and put like this, like stickers with the

1183
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 2: person's name and medical record number on the bag too,

1184
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: just in case the tag falls off. It's like multiple tags,

1185
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: plus the patients have on their hospital bracelets. So as

1186
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: soon as we take a body out to do an autopsy,

1187
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: and really even as soon as we are getting ready

1188
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 2: to release a body to a funeral home, because at

1189
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: the one hospital I worked with, I was the one

1190
01:03:56,560 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: that released the bodies to the funeral home. Like this

1191
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,439
Speaker 2: was my exact job. This guy that's getting fired now

1192
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 2: for doing this. We would you check the body bag,

1193
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: then you check the tag, the toe tag, and then

1194
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 2: you check the medical bracelet, and if all of it matches,

1195
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 2: then it's okay to do the autopsy or it's okay

1196
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: to do to release the body to the funeral home.

1197
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 3: With the autopsy.

1198
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: We even had additional information, like we had their chart

1199
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: and it would say how old they were, and you

1200
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 2: would look at a person and be like, okay, this

1201
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 2: is supposed to be a sixty year old female and

1202
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: she had recent heart surgery. And then you like look

1203
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 2: at her body and see that she's got a healing

1204
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: incision on the heart, and then you're like, okay, this

1205
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 2: is hard. There's like all these check marks right, well,

1206
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 2: I mean it's happened in the past that you open

1207
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 2: it and you're like, oh my god, their bracelet doesn't

1208
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 2: match their toe tag or something like that, right, it

1209
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: happened a few times, and it's that's why lots of

1210
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 2: people check.

1211
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: Along the way.

1212
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: So I don't really know what happened in this particular instance,

1213
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 2: because typically when a person if a person's at a

1214
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: fire and they die five days later, that's considered an

1215
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: accidental death. The manner will be an accidental death, and

1216
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: then that would fall on that death certificate would fall

1217
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: under the jurisdiction of the medical examiner in some cases,

1218
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: because there's so much documentation for that five days in

1219
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 2: the hospital, they know why she died, and the medical

1220
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: examiner might say, I'll sign the death certificate and I

1221
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 2: don't need to do an autopsy because there's enough documentation

1222
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 2: from the hospital that says why she died, so there's

1223
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: like no reason to bring her body over to the

1224
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 2: medical examiner and do an autopsy. And if the family

1225
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: didn't want one, the medical examiner might have signed off

1226
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: on that. So I mean that I'm not really sure

1227
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: that that would even happen in any of the places

1228
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 2: that I worked at. I think that they might want

1229
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 2: the body, but whatever, that's a possibility that that's what happened.

1230
01:05:55,360 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 2: So she was in the ICU and went apparently was

1231
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 2: had to come from the ICU and go into the

1232
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 2: refrigerator and was labeled wrong, like I was saying, something

1233
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 2: was off, the toe tags didn't match or whatever. And

1234
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,200
Speaker 2: when the funeral home came to pick up the body,

1235
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 2: you know, they just call and say, I'm coming to

1236
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 2: pick up so and so, and you go upstairs, you

1237
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 2: get them, You bring them down to the basement, you

1238
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 2: let them in, and you help them get the body

1239
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: from the refrigerator onto their gurney and go back out

1240
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 2: of the hospital into the the hearse or the van

1241
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: or where however they're taking the body. So that procedure

1242
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 2: was broken because typically the funeral home.

1243
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 3: Will check with you.

1244
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 2: You open up the body bag and say, look, this

1245
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 2: is your person, right, and they usually know like, yeah,

1246
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: I'm picking up a sixty year old lady or something

1247
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 2: like that. So in this case, it seems like these

1248
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 2: two people could potentially have been around the same age

1249
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: and the same look the same they were, even going

1250
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 2: as far to say that they typically have a picture

1251
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 2: of the person that they're picking up, which I've never

1252
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: seen that ever once.

1253
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 3: From a funeral home.

1254
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 2: From a funeral home, they've never showed me, hey, this

1255
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: is the person I'm picking up, not one time in

1256
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 2: all of the years that I did it. So I

1257
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 2: thought that was interesting. But you have to think, like,

1258
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 2: this person died in a fire. So I don't know

1259
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 2: if they just had smoke inhalation or they had severe burns,

1260
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: but they could be unrecognizable being in the ICU for

1261
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 2: five days on all of these machines and stuff. So

1262
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 2: the funeral home really screwed up at I mean, the

1263
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 2: hospital screwed up by the mislabel. The funeral home didn't

1264
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 2: check and took the body back, and then they didn't

1265
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 2: check again when they took the body out at the

1266
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 2: funeral home. It looks like they didn't even open the

1267
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: body bag. They just put the body right into a

1268
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 2: casket and it was a closed casket.

1269
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna ask you, is that normal? I don't.

1270
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 3: I don't really know.

1271
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 2: I would think no, because I was under the assumption

1272
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 2: that even if you're having a closed casket, they wrap

1273
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: the body in something just because of decomposition and something

1274
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: like that, like and fluid leakage, Like I would think

1275
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 2: they would wrap them up and put them in a

1276
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 2: new bag and double bag them and stuff, But I

1277
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 2: honestly don't know what they do in the funeral home.

1278
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 2: That's just what I assumed happened.

1279
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 3: I mean, another question I have too, is like this

1280
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 3: lady does on December thirtieth, and her burial is January nineteenth,

1281
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 3: and the funeral home finds out about the mixup on

1282
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 3: January twentieth, So we're talking about three full weeks. Does

1283
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 3: that seem like a really long time to you to

1284
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:40,799
Speaker 3: realize this mistake?

1285
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 2: It does, but I don't and I don't really know

1286
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: exactly how they figured out the mistake.

1287
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think they said that because I was.

1288
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 2: I was reading it and trying to figure it out.

1289
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 2: But just like all of these articles, it doesn't really

1290
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't really.

1291
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 3: Say but the funeral home.

1292
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 2: So that there's a lawsuit now between which there should

1293
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: be one hundred percent, because what happened was this woman

1294
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 2: got buried. When they figured it out, they had to

1295
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: exhume her body and bring her back to the hospital.

1296
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,799
Speaker 2: So I guess I'm just assuming that the other person

1297
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: was just in the hospital that long and it took

1298
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: and they didn't die yet, And then that's what the

1299
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 2: three weeks was that the person finally the other person

1300
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 2: finally died, and then they were like, oh, or I

1301
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 2: just I really don't know, because I'm just trying to

1302
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 2: think about this, like, well no, because they yeah, that

1303
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 2: doesn't that doesn't even make any sense. It would have

1304
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 2: to be that they both that they both died on

1305
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 2: the same exact day, or like within a day or

1306
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 2: two period of each other, because it seems like they

1307
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 2: picked her up pretty quick, but then the funeral was

1308
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 2: a while.

1309
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess.

1310
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, because really you wouldn't if so if

1311
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 2: that woman they died around the same time and the

1312
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 2: one got picked up, that means the other one was

1313
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 2: in the fridge. The other one would have had to

1314
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 2: get picked up and brought to a funeral home too,

1315
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 2: because you can't just stay in the fridge at a

1316
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 2: hospital for three weeks.

1317
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 3: They wouldn't allow that.

1318
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 2: So the only other thing is that that person went

1319
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 2: to a funeral home and was sitting in the fridge

1320
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:26,799
Speaker 2: at the funeral home and it took a couple of weeks.

1321
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I would think even if they

1322
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 2: were doing a funeral a couple weeks later, because sometimes

1323
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 2: they do, they'd still have to embalm the body right away,

1324
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: and I would feel like that's when it would be

1325
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 2: discovered that it wasn't the correct person. So I'm not

1326
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: sure how they quite discovered that it was the wrong person,

1327
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 2: but regardless they did, and they had to exhume the

1328
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: other woman's body because there was some kind of a

1329
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 2: switch up with the bodies at the hospital.

1330
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the funeral home is completely I mean, the

1331
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 3: hospital fired the employee they said was involved with the

1332
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 3: switch up, and then the funeral was totally blaming the hospital,

1333
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 3: saying that the body they provided match the description of

1334
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 3: the woman they were supposed to have, but that due

1335
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 3: to the condition, that person was still left unrecognizable. And

1336
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 3: then it said the funeral home director added for that

1337
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 3: reason that their remains were kept enclosed in a body

1338
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 3: bag with a set of sheets inside the casket, and

1339
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 3: that clothes that the family provided were placed on top

1340
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 3: of her. So did they not even place the clothing

1341
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 3: on her that the family was there and they don't,

1342
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 3: I don't.

1343
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 2: I don't think that that's that big of a deal

1344
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 2: because they weren't going to see her.

1345
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 3: Well, do you know, did you see the part where

1346
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 3: they had asked to see her the day of the funeral,

1347
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 3: and when they opened the casket at the cemetery, then

1348
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 3: they realized she was still in the body bag, and

1349
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 3: then they were like, oh, okay, never mind. So then

1350
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 3: they still never looked at her face. I don't even

1351
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 3: think the family was aware she was going to be

1352
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 3: left in a body bag.

1353
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know, Like I like I said,

1354
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what the procedure is.

1355
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 3: If if I was at a.

1356
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 2: Funeral home and I like wanted my mom to be

1357
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 2: buried in something, I would assume that they weren't just

1358
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 2: throwing them in the casket over top of a body bag.

1359
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, you know, assuming gets you nowhere. So

1360
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's standard practice. But also from

1361
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 2: that perspective, I've seen patients that have been in the

1362
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 2: ICU for five days and they're like very juicy, and like,

1363
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 2: you know, if they're not getting embombed, they're going to

1364
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 2: be decomposing. And I don't know if they would actually

1365
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 2: put clothes on a body like that, but if that's

1366
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 2: what the family wants, then then they could do it.

1367
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 2: The clothes are going to get ruined, but I mean

1368
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 2: they're going underground anyway, so I'm not exactly sure. The

1369
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 2: whole story to me is just is just crazy. Like

1370
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 2: we I told you, one of the hospitals we worked at,

1371
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: or that I worked at, had a similar situation where

1372
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 2: someone got buried and had to get exhumed, but it

1373
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 2: was because they were supposed to have an autopsy and

1374
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 2: they didn't, So it wasn't like a screw up with

1375
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 2: the person. It was just to screw up with the

1376
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 2: paperwork that like it somehow got missed. We didn't get

1377
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 2: it ever in pathology, so we didn't know that we

1378
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 2: were supposed to do an autopsy and we released it

1379
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 2: and they wanted one, so they had to exhume the

1380
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 2: body again, and that has to be very traumatic for

1381
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,919
Speaker 2: families to have to do that. But this particular situation

1382
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 2: is just kind of unacceptable, and it scares you because

1383
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 2: you're just like, like, what if the other place didn't

1384
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: catch it, and then these two people have bodies buried

1385
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 2: that aren't even their family members, Like that's what's scary,

1386
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 2: and you have to think that that happens sometimes.

1387
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 3: So the family is suing I feel rightfully, so the

1388
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 3: hospital and the funeral home for the mix up and

1389
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 3: then alleging that the you know home then picked up

1390
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,719
Speaker 3: the correct body, drove that body to the gravesite, quote,

1391
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 3: dropped plaintiff's mother's body bag into the casket, and unceremoniously

1392
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 3: lowered and buried the casket. So like they just did

1393
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 3: like a quick switcheroo, is.

1394
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: What I'm getting from that story. Yeah, like the family

1395
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to be like, hey, could we just like

1396
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 2: have a moment alone with her? Since but where like

1397
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 2: when they got the mom's body back, where was the

1398
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:29,440
Speaker 2: mom's body.

1399
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 3: I think at the hospital because they said they brought

1400
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 3: the wrong body they had back to the hospital for

1401
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 3: three weeks. Nothing about this is adding up to me.

1402
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 3: This is what I'm talking about, Like I feel like

1403
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,839
Speaker 3: that's a really long time to not ride as that happened.

1404
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't believe that because if we had a

1405
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 2: resident that's what we used to call them, that was

1406
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: there for even five days, we were actively calling everybody

1407
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 2: to be like where the hell are you and come

1408
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 2: pick up this body or we're sending it to the

1409
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 2: medical examine office because like we would send it to

1410
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 2: the medical examiner's office if no one because that would

1411
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 2: be like you didn't claim it.

1412
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 3: We're not.

1413
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 2: We're not like renting rooms in the morgue for for

1414
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 2: dead people to stay at for three weeks.

1415
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it said. After they realized what happened, they had

1416
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 3: to exhume the body and return it to the hospital,

1417
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 3: and then the family had to go to the hospital

1418
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 3: to identify that the next person they thought was the

1419
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 3: switch was the correct body. The only are you mind

1420
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:32,879
Speaker 3: blown by this language?

1421
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I am, because it just doesn't make any sense

1422
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 2: to me. The only thing that I could think is

1423
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 2: that she was miss labeled, like in the entire ICU too.

1424
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,839
Speaker 2: Remember that case that we talked about with that car accident,

1425
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: with those teenagers that died in that car accident. Yeah,

1426
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,639
Speaker 2: where those college students, they were young, they were young,

1427
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 2: and they got switched and one family buried the one

1428
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:00,959
Speaker 2: kid and the other family buried the other or realized

1429
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,960
Speaker 2: that their kid was alive. Still, like it was like

1430
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: that big switch up. It's it's like a similar thing,

1431
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 2: Like was the mom alive this whole entire time in

1432
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 2: the ICU when the other person had died and they

1433
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 2: were mislabeled.

1434
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 3: That's why I was saying, like, oh, yeah, I see

1435
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 3: what you're saying. So like the real woman they were

1436
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 3: looking for actually died much later and they were told

1437
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 3: the other woman that they had, Yeah, it was her

1438
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 3: that actually died on the thirtieth. Okay, I understand what

1439
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 3: you're saying. Yeah, I mean, but.

1440
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,679
Speaker 2: They were saying, but they were saying in the article

1441
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 2: that the person that was releasing the body was the

1442
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 2: one that was getting in trouble. So I'm just like,

1443
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I used to do this job all

1444
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:46,040
Speaker 2: the time. I just don't really understand. I don't understand

1445
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 2: the lapse in time like that. So I mean, I

1446
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 2: don't know. I hope that we hear more about this

1447
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: story because I would like to have more details on it.

1448
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure. Okay, onto your questions in email.

1449
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 3: Else if you have questions or stories for us, please

1450
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 3: submit them to stories at mothernosdeath dot com. First is

1451
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 3: from Corey. My coworker had a kidney transplant done by

1452
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 3: this doctor years ago and loved him. Remember we were

1453
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 3: talking about that doctor that falsified the transplant paperwork. Yeah,

1454
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,799
Speaker 3: so they're saying that their coworker had a kidney transplant

1455
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 3: done by that doctor years ago and loved him. So

1456
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 3: she had a living donor, so it was not placed.

1457
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 2: On the way it was by that actual doctor.

1458
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 3: That's what they're saying. Okay, so she had a living donor,

1459
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 3: so she was not placed on the donor list. She

1460
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 3: heard that he was falsifying the records to ensure he

1461
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 3: kept a good success rate on his surgeries. I guess

1462
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 3: for some reason he felt that those certain patients had

1463
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 3: a chance to not be successful transplants. She was so

1464
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 3: sad to hear he did this because she loved him

1465
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 3: and had to fined a new doctor to do her

1466
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 3: regular checkup appointments with his whole team was removed from

1467
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 3: the hospital and all new doctors and nurses were brought in.

1468
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 2: Yes, so that I mean, that was one of the

1469
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 2: things that we were thinking. It was first success rates,

1470
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 2: because we were just like, why would anybody falsify records

1471
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 2: for a transplant if if you.

1472
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Like it was weird still,

1473
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 3: like you're playing god and it's weird. No, it is,

1474
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,679
Speaker 3: it is weird. It's it's very bizarre.

1475
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 2: And they that would look better for the hospital, Like

1476
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 2: that's what we said, it would look better for the

1477
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 2: hospital if they had successful transplant rates. So if they

1478
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 2: thought a patient wasn't going to be a good candidate.

1479
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's actually scary that they would try

1480
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 2: to make that decision, you know, and play with someone's

1481
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 2: life like that.

1482
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, who cares about your bottom line? Like we can't

1483
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 3: about trying to help people live if they can.

1484
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,799
Speaker 2: You know, the transplant industry in general in the United

1485
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 2: States is under more scrutiny than it's been in a

1486
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 2: very long time, and I feel like it doesn't need

1487
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 2: any blemishes on it like this.

1488
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 3: People are losing trust.

1489
01:18:56,479 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 2: There's been multiple stories over the past couple of years

1490
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 2: of people like not really being dead when they're getting

1491
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:05,560
Speaker 2: a transplant done.

1492
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 3: And where are the organs going? How are the list working?

1493
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,719
Speaker 2: And things like that, And I'm a pro organ donation person,

1494
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 2: so I would hate to see. I do hate to

1495
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 2: see when people say, oh, I'm not going to do

1496
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 2: that because I'm scared and I'm losing trust. But when

1497
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 2: all these stories come out, you're just like, Okay, well

1498
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 2: what are we to believe at this point?

1499
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? Absolutely? All right. Next is from Ginger. Hello,

1500
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 3: Nicole and Maria. I love y'all. You and your mother's

1501
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 3: banter reminds me of how my mom and I used

1502
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 3: to be. My mom has been dead for over ten years,

1503
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 3: but her legacy lives on with some of her crazy stories.

1504
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 3: My mom worked in the medical field for most of

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01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 3: my life, mostly as a receptionist or admin or in

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Speaker 3: medical records. Her last job was in the medical records

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Speaker 3: department in a major hospital. She had numerous heart attacks

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Speaker 3: and bouts of anginas, so she got the VIP treatment

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01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 3: because she stayed in her hospital to Okay, here is

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Speaker 3: the story. So I was going to have surgery to

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Speaker 3: have my tonsils removed as a twenty four year old

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Speaker 3: adult in her hospital. Yeah, VIP treatment for me.

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Speaker 1: Ullo.

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Speaker 3: She gets the best Fabotabis in the hospital to take

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01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 3: my blood and introduces me to him because she knows

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01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 3: him really well from all her jobs and when she

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01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 3: stayed in the hospital. Fast forward about three months, she

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01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 3: calls me on the phone and asks if I remember

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01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 3: the man who took my blood for my surgery. I'm

1520
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 3: thinking she wants to set me up with him. She

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01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 3: tells me he has been arrested for raping numerous women

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01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:35,600
Speaker 3: around his neighborhood. I totally freaked out, and all she

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01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 3: said was he was such a nice guy. Lloo. Also,

1524
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:41,880
Speaker 3: I worked for a major airline for the past thirty years.

1525
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 3: Some always yelling answers to y'all when you ask about

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01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 3: airplane stuff. I have a story for you. When an

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01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 3: airplane flies a dead body in the cargo area, they

1528
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 3: always have to put the head towards the front of

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01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,799
Speaker 3: the plane or their head will explode due to the pressure.

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01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 3: And yes, it's happened. That's the reason the boxes they

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01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 3: are loaded in are labeled head on the box so

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01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 3: we know which way to load them. Really.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, that's that's really interesting. I want to see

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Speaker 2: what that looks like since it's happened. Send us picks

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01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 2: where if you can trouble or a stop photo, whatever

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01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,440
Speaker 2: you can find. Wow, two crazy stories in one submission.

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01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that. Sorry, I'll about your Yeah,

1538
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 2: sorry to hear about your mom. And that is crazy though,

1539
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 2: when you hear about somebody that you've had an interaction

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01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 2: with doing something crazy like that, I mean just and

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01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 2: you hear that a lot though, A lot of these

1542
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 2: stories where these people are doing something and they interview

1543
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: neighbors and stuff and they just don't The people are like,

1544
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 2: I don't know. He seemed like a perfectly normal guy

1545
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 2: and and and then it turns out like, no, he

1546
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 2: was raping people and stuff. I mean even some of

1547
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 2: the you know, you have some serial killers that are

1548
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 2: that are totally disturbed and they look like Nick Reiner.

1549
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 2: You're just kind of like, okay, like this guy's off.

1550
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 2: And then you have others that are like Ted Bundy,

1551
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 2: I think is one of the classic ones that just

1552
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 2: portrayed himself as like a charismatic, normal guy and it

1553
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,040
Speaker 2: just shocked people what he was doing.

1554
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 3: I mean, doesn't this immediately make your mind go to

1555
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 3: Amy's story with her coworker who was a serial killer,

1556
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 3: and she thought he was like this really nice guy

1557
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 3: she worked with, and then he was like killing hundreds

1558
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:29,560
Speaker 3: of patients.

1559
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's us. It just makes you think like that

1560
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 2: you don't really know anybody.

1561
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 3: I know, it's really scary. All right, last, are you

1562
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 3: doing any show soon in Philly? As a matter of fact,

1563
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 3: not in Philadelphia proper, but in Horsham, Pennsylvania. We have

1564
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 3: probably our last event, not forever, but for a while,

1565
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 3: happening in April. So we are partnering with the Center

1566
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 3: for Forensic Science Research and Education for fun two day

1567
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:00,799
Speaker 3: event in April, so it's gonna be April ten and eleventh.

1568
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 3: You're going to be doing a lecture, we're going to

1569
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 3: be doing a live podcast episode, and there's gonna be

1570
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 3: some other guest speakers too, and it's all to raise

1571
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 3: money for a great Clause, and it's going to be

1572
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 3: such a fun two day event.

1573
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be really awesome, and there's gonna

1574
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:21,839
Speaker 2: be other forensic experts. They're talking about really cool cases

1575
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 2: involving science, but it's not so it's a really good

1576
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 2: event for people who are interested in doing forensics as

1577
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 2: a career, but it's also good just for people who

1578
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,680
Speaker 2: are interested in forensics. So it's not going to be

1579
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 2: so science based that it's over everyone's head. It's for

1580
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 2: it's for a general audience and it's for everyone. And

1581
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 2: their center is just so amazing. You're going to get

1582
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 2: to tour the center and see what they're doing in

1583
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 2: forensics science research. So it's just and like have a

1584
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:56,959
Speaker 2: great time hanging.

1585
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 3: Out with us.

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01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 2: Of course, it's about like forty minutes outside to Philadelphia,

1587
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 2: so it's in the burbs. It's actually better than being

1588
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 2: in the city because you don't have to deal with

1589
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 2: like parking and stuff like that, you know, so it's

1590
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 2: just you drive there and park and go in.

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01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 3: It's awesome. No, it's gonna be great. And then grocery

1592
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 3: remember to get a pretty hefty discount. So I would

1593
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 3: advise everybody take advantage of our sale going on right

1594
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 3: now because you'll have the information first and you'll get

1595
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 3: a discount to tickets. If you live in the area

1596
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 3: and want to come, it's going to be super awesome.

1597
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 3: And also, on that note, thank you so much to

1598
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 3: everybody that came to our show in New York on

1599
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,240
Speaker 3: Saturday night. We had the best time.

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Speaker 2: And that was that was like legit awesome. The location

1601
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 2: was awesome, the whole entire you know. I really love

1602
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 2: that that that the City Vineyard, Like they serve food

1603
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 2: there right and drinks, And I love that because I

1604
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:52,799
Speaker 2: feel like if we're just on stage doing a lecture

1605
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 2: and people are just sitting there, it's it's just kind

1606
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's awkward.

1607
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:58,839
Speaker 3: We're awkward anyway, right.

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01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,400
Speaker 2: But like when p people are eating and stuff, it's

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01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 2: just it just because we talked for almost an hour

1610
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,599
Speaker 2: and a half, that's a long time to keep people's attention.

1611
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty six, So you just feel like if

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01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 2: you're eating and you have something to do and you're

1613
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 2: with your friends, it was just like a It was

1614
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 2: like a fun night out and a lot of our

1615
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 2: true crime friends came, so some of you got to

1616
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 2: meet some of them, so that was really cool. And

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01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 2: I just like the whole venue. It was in the city.

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01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 2: It was beautiful, like out of one windows you could

1619
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 2: see the Hudson River. Out of the other windows you

1620
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 2: could see the Freedom Tower. It just was it was

1621
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 2: just like a really nice night all together. It was

1622
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 2: really nice. I loved it.

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01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 3: I had a really good time. Yeah, it was a

1624
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 3: beautiful venue. Everybody that came was super cool and nice.

1625
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,560
Speaker 3: The food was really delicious, and we are going to

1626
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 3: be putting up the episode, but if you were there,

1627
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 3: you got some more bonus content because we had the

1628
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 3: one and only Barbara Butcher give us some amazing insight

1629
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 3: on a case. But unfortunately the micro phones didn't pick

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01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 3: it up, so that was only for the people that

1631
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 3: came to the show, which is why everybody should come

1632
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 3: to our shows, because sometimes there's some special extra stuff

1633
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 3: going on. But oh my god, it was so much fun.

1634
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 3: I was like so nervous to talk for ninety minutes

1635
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 3: straight in front of a live audience, but I thought

1636
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 3: it went really good and the stories were outrageous and

1637
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 3: all over the place, and we were able to show

1638
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:24,680
Speaker 3: pictures and it was really.

1639
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 2: I like, I really enjoyed that part that we were

1640
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,080
Speaker 2: able to kind of have a slide show with it,

1641
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 2: and of course just being nervous about having some of

1642
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 2: those pictures up in a public restaurant, but it seemed

1643
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 2: it seemed to go over pretty well.

1644
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 3: So No, it was really great. But thank you to

1645
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 3: everybody that came to that, and we're really looking forward

1646
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 3: to this event and Horsham, So we will have more

1647
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 3: information about that in the coming days where you could

1648
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 3: buy tickets. Who's gonna be going, what's gonna be happening?

1649
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,719
Speaker 3: But it's gonna be super fun. Yeah, I can't wait.

1650
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 3: All right, guys, please head over to Apple or Spotify

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1652
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 3: Please subscribe to our YouTube channel, and as always, if

1653
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 3: you have stories or questions for us, submit them to

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01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 3: stories at mothernosdeath dot com.

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01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 2: Bye, thank you for listening to Mother NOO's Death. As

1656
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 2: a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I

1657
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:26,240
Speaker 2: have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy and

1658
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 2: pathology education. I am not a doctor and I have

1659
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,720
Speaker 2: not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without the

1660
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 2: assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,

1661
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 2: and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform

1662
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 2: people based on my experience working in pathology, so they

1663
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 2: can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.

1664
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 2: Always remember that science is changing every day and the

1665
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 2: opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge

1666
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 2: of those subjects at the time of publication. If you

1667
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 2: are having a medical problem, have a medical question, or

1668
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 2: having a medical emergency, please contact your physician or visit

1669
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 2: an urgent care center, emergency room.

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01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 3: Or hospital.

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Speaker 3: Thanks