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Speaker 1: The Indiana Pacers, in a game seven in Madison Square Garden,

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk some basketball.

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Speaker 1: So again, the focus coming out of this game, and

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Speaker 1: And really it comes down to this for me, there

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Speaker 1: So give the give credit to the Pacers, tip of

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen the the final tallly of the numbers,

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Speaker 1: He's been the Bruce Brown of this playoff run, this big,

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Speaker 1: incredible tonight. Shout out to aaron Ne Smith. Looking forward

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Speaker 1: for both teams. For the Pacers, the Celtics are another

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Speaker 2: Right, But we know the Pacers are capable.

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Speaker 2: And that is their pathway. Right.

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Speaker 1: They need to turn that series into a track meet

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do a full series preview on this tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But the gist of it is, you got to look

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Speaker 1: Their top six is better than your top six. But

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Speaker 1: So there's gonna be a pathway there, but it's gonna

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Speaker 2: Bigger, tougher team.

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Speaker 2: It is what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's really unfortunate. But here's the thing, there are a

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Speaker 1: we'll have a series preview on Celtics Pacers tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Tonight.

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Speaker 1: I'm going with Colin right after the final buzzer of

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, that's all I have for this first

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Speaker 2: I'll see you in a few hours.

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