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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. Hey, everybody,

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Speaker 1: what's up? Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky here

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Speaker 1: and we have our annual draft press conference. I guess

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Speaker 1: there you have a number one Cleveland Brown's Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: the number one overall pick. Something we've been talking about

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Speaker 1: the theory by the way that the media is is

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Speaker 1: creating this narrative to drive interest in the draft. That's

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Speaker 1: what we do. We just dropped nuggets without any knowledge.

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Speaker 1: But so back back to Josh Allen and the Cleveland

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Speaker 1: the reason the connection makes sense when you look at

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Speaker 1: John Dorrison you pointed us out to He's consistently picked projections,

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Speaker 1: For the rest of the mock draft, go to NFL

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Speaker 1: dot com uh slash mock draft. You can also go

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Speaker 1: By the way, Bucky reads all of them. Bucky Brooks

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Speaker 1: pitfalls to always drafting for down the road, like and

430
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Speaker 1: do you find you get like in this uh, do

431
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Speaker 1: you take a dogmatic approach to so we'll only take

432
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Speaker 1: guys that we know, you know, like Sidney Jones this case, Um,

433
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Speaker 1: that's the guy that you know that won't play right away,

434
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Speaker 1: and maybe some of these other cases you're you're taking

435
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Speaker 1: guys that you think are developmental guys more than guys

436
00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 1: that you think can step in right away until the

437
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,879
Speaker 1: needs it's a luxury just not having to address you know,

438
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Speaker 1: a particular needs, so you can take some of those

439
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Speaker 1: risks or be patient with some of those guys. So

440
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 1: that's that's the look. It's the benefit of having a

441
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 1: great roster as you've got the flexibility there with your choice. Yeah,

442
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Speaker 1: not only that, um, you really you can stick to

443
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 1: the premise of just taking the best player available. There

444
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 1: could be an unexpected slide, uh for a blue chair

445
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,919
Speaker 1: player that lands right in their lap and you have

446
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Speaker 1: the opportunity to take him and then just kind of

447
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Speaker 1: see where he fits in. And then if you have

448
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Speaker 1: a surplus at a certain position, you then can trade

449
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 1: off one of those assets to get something that you

450
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Speaker 1: may need and return. We saw them do that a

451
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Speaker 1: couple of seasons ago when they traded off traded away

452
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Speaker 1: Sam Bradford, they get some other stuff back. So that's

453
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Speaker 1: what you want to do. As long as you take

454
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Speaker 1: good players, you always have the luxury of making your

455
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Speaker 1: roster right. Thank that. Yeah, I know it's tough to

456
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Speaker 1: take a player for a team picking at twenty five,

457
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Speaker 1: but what's the best case scenario for the Titans at

458
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Speaker 1: at number twenty five and this NFL draft, that's A.

459
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Speaker 1: That's a that's a good one. Uh Man. I'll tell

460
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Speaker 1: you what who I who I just love as a

461
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Speaker 1: as a football player. It's James Daniels UM and I

462
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Speaker 1: just love what he brings the table from Iowa. I

463
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Speaker 1: think he's a plug in place center. I think he

464
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Speaker 1: can play you to the guard spots if you wanted

465
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Speaker 1: him to. But I think for you know, having a

466
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Speaker 1: young quarterback, having a young center that can grow with him,

467
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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of value there. I'd be

468
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Speaker 1: a big fan of that pick. Buck, you know. I

469
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Speaker 1: think when you look at the background of the head

470
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Speaker 1: coach and you look at the age that the Tennessee

471
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Speaker 1: Titans have um at edge rusher, I think having an

472
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Speaker 1: edge rusher that can come and play the trick will

473
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Speaker 1: be philosophically. What do they want in terms of your

474
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Speaker 1: edge rusher? Do you want a big, physical guy that

475
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Speaker 1: has typically been the New England way? Um? Because ideally

476
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Speaker 1: I would say, oh, a guy like Harold Landry would fit,

477
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Speaker 1: But when I look at his physical dimensions, he may

478
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Speaker 1: not be that classic pick at that point. I think

479
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Speaker 1: having a guy with some versatility, maybe not necessarily in

480
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Speaker 1: the first round, but maybe in the bottom of the

481
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Speaker 1: first top of the second if they move back a

482
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Speaker 1: guy like Sam Hubbard who offers some versatility given his

483
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Speaker 1: background in length. UM, I think the big thing for

484
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Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans is they have made strized. This is

485
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Speaker 1: a playoff team is trying to find a piece or

486
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Speaker 1: two that can push them over top. But I do

487
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Speaker 1: believe they have to find another pass rusher to have

488
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Speaker 1: in the pipeline. With Derek Morrigan and Brian E. Wreck

489
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Speaker 1: Will both being up in years. Thank you guys, Thank you,

490
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Speaker 1: hey guys. As as you look at the Jets at

491
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Speaker 1: number three, presuming Donald is gone, I think I guess

492
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Speaker 1: that's a safe presumption. How do you assess the scheme

493
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Speaker 1: fit of those other three guys, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen?

494
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Speaker 1: I guess based on what we know, maybe what Jeremy

495
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Speaker 1: based might do in the Shannahan mold, how would you

496
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Speaker 1: assess the scheme fit of those Um, those three quarterbacks

497
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Speaker 1: were potentially there for them at number three. If I

498
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Speaker 1: had to rank him in order in terms of scheme fit,

499
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Speaker 1: OB would say Rosen Mayfield, then Allen. If you go

500
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Speaker 1: back and you look at Jeremy bas history, his time

501
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: when he had a chance to work with j Color.

502
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 1: I viewed Josh Rosen as a guy that's very very

503
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Speaker 1: similar to Color in terms of the way that he

504
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Speaker 1: connects with his coaches, the way that he interacts, in

505
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Speaker 1: the way that he has a high i Q. I

506
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Speaker 1: think Jeremy Base in a West Coast system, I think

507
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Speaker 1: Josh Rosen would be perfect and ideal. I think Baker

508
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Speaker 1: Mayfield would also be ideal in that system because both

509
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Speaker 1: guys are very accurate. Both guys get the ball out,

510
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Speaker 1: guys though a great touch, timing and anticipation. I think

511
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Speaker 1: they there's a separation between those two and what Josh

512
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Speaker 1: Allen does. Josh Allen, to me, is more of a

513
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Speaker 1: vertical thrower I got it. Wants to kind of play

514
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Speaker 1: deep ball football, push you down the field. And I

515
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Speaker 1: just think when you've looked at how Jeremie Bates has

516
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Speaker 1: traditionally played or wants to play UM, the guys that

517
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Speaker 1: can kind of spread around the yard horizontally and a

518
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Speaker 1: little vertically are the guys that are benefits. Yeah, I

519
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Speaker 1: would agree with that. Rosen and Mayfield make a lot

520
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Speaker 1: of sense when you're talking about scheme fit there. I

521
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Speaker 1: just when I look at at Baker Mayfield and the

522
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Speaker 1: fit there. It's not even really with with Jeremy Bates,

523
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Speaker 1: But I just look at when you look at the

524
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Speaker 1: decision makers and you look at the quarterbacks that haven't

525
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Speaker 1: worked out there with the Jets, I think you can

526
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Speaker 1: find Baker Mayfield kind of being that polar opposite. So

527
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Speaker 1: to me, it goes a little bit of that. It's

528
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Speaker 1: almost a fire coach. You hire the exact opposite of

529
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Speaker 1: what you just fired. H Baker Mayfield makes some sense there. Yeah, guys,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask the two of you about Boise

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Speaker 1: linebacker Layton van dresch Uh. What are the chance of

532
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Speaker 1: him being on the board at thirty two when the

533
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Speaker 1: Eagles pick, and well, I know both of you seem

534
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Speaker 1: to be leaning towards them going offense since they don't

535
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Speaker 1: have a pick in the second or third round. What

536
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Speaker 1: would be your reaction to them taking him at thirty two?

537
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Speaker 1: And how he might fit in Schwartz's defense. Yeah, like

538
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Speaker 1: I have as a twenty player overall for me, and

539
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Speaker 1: I think he's pretty scheme diverse. When you have the

540
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Speaker 1: size and athletic ability he has, I think you could

541
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Speaker 1: play him and just about any defense and he'd fit

542
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Speaker 1: in and be fine. Um, there's a there's a lot

543
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Speaker 1: of buzz on him, so read into that what you will.

544
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Speaker 1: I would say less likely that he's there when they're

545
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Speaker 1: picking down there at thirty two. Seems to be a

546
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: little bit more buzz on him. It's just hard to

547
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Speaker 1: find guys that can run like that, that have that

548
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Speaker 1: type of size and in versatility. Uh. The one thing

549
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Speaker 1: I know, there's some some durability stuff, some questions that

550
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: exist out there. I'm not privy to all that medical information,

551
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: so that would be one reason he could potentially fall

552
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Speaker 1: to him. I think when you you would love it

553
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Speaker 1: if you'd feel that Eagles, if he falls to you

554
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Speaker 1: at thirty two. The problem is, you have some teams

555
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: where he would be are really really good fit. You

556
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: look at New Orleans, you look at Pittsburgh, New England.

557
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: His versatility, his athleticism, his prototypical traits would lead me

558
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Speaker 1: to believe that he's going to be off the board

559
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: at that time. He would fit in well with Jim

560
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: towards his scheme. It's just a matter of if the

561
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: Eagles really really feel good about him and his potential fit.

562
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Speaker 1: I believe they would have to move up to get

563
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Speaker 1: him because I can't see him just fall into them

564
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Speaker 1: at thirty two. Thanks guys, greeting Bucky and Daniel. Did

565
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Speaker 1: you all, um take turns on the Georgia guys. I

566
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Speaker 1: guess ro Quine will be the top one. Then uh,

567
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Speaker 1: Lorenzo car and then the running back Chubb and Michelle.

568
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: Where where are you all projecting the Georgian bulldop to

569
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Speaker 1: go here in the draft? I'll take the defensive guys, Buck,

570
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Speaker 1: you wanna take the running backs? I mean ro Kwan

571
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: Smith to me is uh, he's so easy to love

572
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: when you look at everything he brings to the table.

573
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Speaker 1: When I think interview wise and teams doing their background

574
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: on him, um, I think that puts him way up there.

575
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Speaker 1: And to me, you look at Bay Area teams nine

576
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: and ten, Uh, that makes a lot of sense for

577
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: him there. And you look at John Gruden, haven't been

578
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: around Derrick Brooks. I would think he could see a

579
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Speaker 1: little bit of Derek Brooks and a guy like ro

580
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: Kwan Smith, so that would make some sense there. Um.

581
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Speaker 1: And then when you get to Carter, Uh, he's he's

582
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Speaker 1: He's a little bit of a challenging evaluation because I

583
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: think he's right now, at this point in time, he's

584
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: a better athlete than just pure football player. When you

585
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Speaker 1: talk about somebody that's six five two and or fifty pounds,

586
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: it runs high four four low four five and uh,

587
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: you watch the Notre Dame game especially, he's easy to

588
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: He's easy to see what he can become. He's not

589
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: consistent right now. I have it more in the second

590
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 1: round I think happens to my forty eight player. But

591
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me if he was, you know, snuck

592
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: into the bottom of one just because I talked about

593
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: the Edgedresser group not being all that great. But to me,

594
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: he's a second round type guy. Uh do you when

595
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: you look at the running backs, I think both of

596
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: these running backs are outstanding. I think they're different stylistically,

597
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: starting with Nick Chubb. Nick up to me as an

598
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: old school downhill running back. Um, he's a guy that

599
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: traditional would have played in the eighties and nineties. Come down.

600
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: He will put him at the dot and the our

601
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: formation and really let him have thirty carries. I think

602
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: in today's game that is more of a niche role

603
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: where you see those guys playing on first and second down.

604
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: And because of that, I believe his value be depressed

605
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 1: a little bit. I see him as maybe a solid

606
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: second round back UM, a guy that kind of goes

607
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: and joins a rotation. UM handles the early duties before

608
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: giving away giving way to another back that can handle

609
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Speaker 1: some of the things in the passing game with Sony Michelle. Uh,

610
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: Sony is dynamic, He's explosive. He has proven to be

611
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: a very effective runner and receiver. I think he would

612
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: benefit from the Alvin Camaric comparison that many scouts have

613
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: put on him. When you look at the impact that

614
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: Camara was able to have with the New Orleans Saints

615
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: as a change of pace or match up weapon. I

616
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: think many offensive coordinators will view him like that, and

617
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: because of it, I think he can go anywhere from

618
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: the bottom of the first round to the top of

619
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: the second round for a team that is looking for

620
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: a chess piece to manipulate on the board. Thank you, gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: What about Tevin Bryan to the fact is that that, uh,

622
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: that's a fit for him? But is that too high

623
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: of a projection for him? Are too low? Now? I

624
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: think that's right about the sweet spot for Tavin Bryan.

625
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he is he is a dynamic interior pass rusher.

626
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: He does not know exactly what he's doing. I always

627
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: stay with him when you when you watch him, there's

628
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: a lot of times where he wins the battle and

629
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: loses the war because he he will beat the dude

630
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: in front of him, and it is It is wildly impressive.

631
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: He just got to do a little better job of

632
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: finding the football and making more plays. But I have

633
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: him as a twenty four overall player, so that's that's

634
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: a good spot. I think it's a really good spot.

635
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: If you go back and look at Dan Quinn's history,

636
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: He's done a really good job of taking guys that

637
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: I think the Falcons used the term urgent athletes, explosive

638
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: athletes that have some skills, have the athleticism and the

639
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: birds to kind of make some things happen, and then

640
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: they believe they can kind of coach up some of

641
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: the other stuff. You put him in the center of

642
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: that defense and allow him to kind of hunt quarterbacks.

643
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: I think it adds something with Tat McKinley and Vic

644
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: Beasley and some of the other guys that they have

645
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: coming off the edges. HI guys uh Jim Bob Quinn

646
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: recently said that there's kind of five or six guys

647
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: that he's projected that will be there for the Lions

648
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: at number twenty. I just thought, you guys, maybe take

649
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: your best guests at at a guy who will be

650
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: there at twenty, or maybe a guy you think is

651
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: a really good fit for the Lions that they stick

652
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: there at twenty and and and are drafting. Oh, that's

653
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: a good one. I would say, you know, five guys. Uh,

654
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: one I would keep an eye on. Um. I would

655
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: say Will Hernandez would be an interesting one. I think

656
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: he kind of fits the physical nature that they want

657
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: to have there with that team. The guard from UTEP,

658
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 1: I think he's outstanding. Uh, he would definitely be one

659
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: I would put in the mix there. Running back wise,

660
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: I would put Geiss there. We've talked a little bit

661
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: about Darius guys, you know, being a potential option for

662
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: them there. I think he's better than any back they

663
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: have on campus right now. So, Uh, those would be

664
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Speaker 1: two that had come to my mind right away. On

665
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: the offensive side, I think when the defenses out of

666
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: the ball, obviously someone on the front four. Uh, if

667
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: by chance, Mo Davenport was to slip and fall a

668
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: little bit I think he would be a great fit

669
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: to either a eventually replace ziggy Ansa or be to

670
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: put him on the opposite side of Ziggyansa to give

671
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: them two pass rushers, UM with some versatility that can

672
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: come after the quarterback in a division that's kind of

673
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: loaded with quarterbacks. Also, Moharst from Michigan trying to find

674
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: an interior pass rusher, someone that can create some havoc

675
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: on the inside. We've seen how the game is evolving.

676
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: You want to make sure that you can be able

677
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: to get someone into a gap that can disrupt and

678
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: just disturb the time and of the passing game. So

679
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: I think those two defenders could be in the mix

680
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: for the Detroit line. I would add Tape and Brian

681
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: in there as well. Thank you all, Hey guys for

682
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: both of you. How have scouting safeties chains since you

683
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: were a scout in the NFL? And then the second

684
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: part of that question is if you're the Steelers, there

685
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: were some late first or late second round guys them. Um,

686
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: I'll tackle the first part of it. The way the

687
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: game has changed. Um, the game has become more uh

688
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: passing base, So what you're looking for from the safety

689
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: has also changed before. You're looking for the big, physical

690
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: guy that could come and be the eighth guy in

691
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: the box, that could be an effective run defender and

692
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: really make his play sometimes near the line of scrimmage.

693
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: Now with the uh More teams going eleven personnel, one back,

694
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: three wire receivers, you need those safeties to be able

695
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: to play comfortably in space, to be able to have

696
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: the skills to play a man demand and zone in

697
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: open field. Uh have ball skills to be able to

698
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: kind of turn the ball over while also still possessing

699
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: those skills as tacklers and run defenders. It is really

700
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: a hard job to find um the right kind of

701
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: guys that have that versatility. I think that's why you're

702
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: seeing uh the Pittsburgh Skills and others take guys that

703
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: are maybe oversized corners who may have a little movement

704
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: deficiency and moved him into safety like they were able

705
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: to do with Sean Davis. I think what you're trying

706
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: to do is find an athlete that is capable doing

707
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: all the things that you're asking to do in the

708
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: past game while still having some of that toughness to

709
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: defend and be a capable run defender. Yeah. Three names

710
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: that come to mind that you know when you're watching guys.

711
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: And it was this way when when I worked in Baltimore,

712
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: there were guys we watched and thought, Okay, these guys

713
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: kind of fit us. And really the Steelers were the

714
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: same way. You say, Okay, this guy, this is a

715
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: Steeler type player. And one of the reasons they've been

716
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: so consistent and successful for so long as that they

717
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: know what they're looking for. But a couple of Steeler

718
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: guys to me, Ronnie Harrison from from Alabama, the safety

719
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: is a is a classic Steeler type player. Um. He

720
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: can play high, he can play low. He's a forced player,

721
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: he's smart, he's tough. He kind of reminds me of

722
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: a Steeler. And his teammate Rashaun Evans, the linebacker who

723
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: can play inside and outside. Um, I think would be

724
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: a nice player to plug into that defense. So those

725
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: two Alabama defenders come to mind. And the other safety

726
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: I would maybe throwing the mix as uh, you know,

727
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: move free safety type would be Jesse Bates from Wake Forest,

728
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: who's got incredible range and ball skills. Hey, guys, thanks

729
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: for your time today. Um, the Lions running game has

730
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: has been a mess and help for a number of years.

731
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: Who do you think would be the best kind of

732
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: fit to compliment what they have coming back in a

733
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: duel and ridicule obviously the addition of laid Thomas well well,

734
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're trying to find ideally some

735
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: way that can do a little bit of everything, and

736
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, Sony Michelle makes a lot of sense. I

737
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: mentioned Darius Guys a little bit earlier. Those would be

738
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: the two I think that would be in the mix

739
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: there if you wanted to take one in the first round,

740
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: I think those would be your two options. Ronald Jones

741
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: from usc is just he's had a poor offseason so

742
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: he has not helped himself at always been a little

743
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: bit nicked up and I was not impressive it his

744
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: makeup pro day the other day, didn't catch the ball

745
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: well and limited opportunity is at the first pro day,

746
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: so I think it just talking to folks. His his

747
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: stock is taking a little bit of a hit. But

748
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: the two I would I would say would be in

749
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: play in the first round do everything guys would be

750
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: would be Darius Guys, Sony Michelle. I think you need

751
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: to break it up even further when you look at

752
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: their team, they appear to have a lot of outside

753
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: of La Garret Blunt, more of the smaller type scat

754
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: back types. Theoretic and Amrab Douler are smaller. You like

755
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: to kind of think of them as pass catching running backs.

756
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure they would like some size, and I think

757
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: if you're thinking size in a traditional sense, DJs talked

758
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: about Darius guys and those other guys. But if you

759
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: go into the second and maybe third round, Nick Chub

760
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: being a guy that can do what La Gary Blunt

761
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: will probably be asked to do for them, he fits.

762
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: I think a guy that is underrated but hasn't been

763
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: talked about a lot. I think Royce Freeman from Oregon

764
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: is a guy. If you think about maybe the third

765
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: or so round for a back that has some value

766
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: to have some size and toughness but also some pass

767
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: catching steals, he could be that guy. And I think

768
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: somewhere in the mix you have to consider Rashan Penny

769
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: from San Diego State because he is a bigger back

770
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: who can also do all of the things that you

771
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: typically asked your number one running back to do, running

772
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: inside and outside and catch the ball in the passing game.

773
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: Could you break down via Via and Ron Payne for

774
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: me and let me know which one you like a

775
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 1: little bit more. Sure, I'll jump into those guys real quick.

776
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Just to tell you where I have him. I have

777
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: Vida Ves my eleventh guy, um and I have Dron

778
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: Payne a couple of spots down there at eighteen. So

779
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: I gave a Vida a little bit higher grade. How

780
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: was in Baltwire and we drafted Helodi Nada was was

781
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: covering the West coast during that time, and he is.

782
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: He reminds me so much of Helodi. You you play

783
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: him up and down the line of scrimmage. They move

784
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: him all over the place. Uh. He's got a nasty

785
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: hump move. As a pass rusher, you can see that

786
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: physical power. You watch him just stack and toss offensive

787
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: lineman a Stanford game especially, it's just nasty. He can

788
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: really roll his hips and he's got tremendous uh power

789
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: there as a run defender, and I think he does

790
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: have upside as a pass rusher. You just look at

791
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: his athleticism. And we talked about making a tackle on

792
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: punt coverage. He's blocked a punt. I remember watching Helodi

793
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: block a punt against Arizona. So he reminds me of

794
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: Holodi Nada. I have him as the eleventh player and

795
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: then Dron Payne. The production hasn't all always matched the ability.

796
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: But he is strong, he's athletic. He watched the Clemson

797
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: game and see the interception he has there. He shows

798
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: that awfu a little bit really quick hands, um, and

799
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: I think he's got a little bit of stiffness in

800
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: his in his ankles that that's one of the only

801
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: knocks I had on him. But he plays hard and

802
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: he's a He's a really intriguing player, so I think

803
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: he's got a little more to offer as a pass

804
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: rusher as well. I think both these guys are gonna

805
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: show you more in that regard at the next level.

806
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: I think both guys are really really good. Um. I

807
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: can back up DJ's assessment of Vida Vella. Uh, you

808
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: just don't see guys that are death sized to have

809
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: the athleticism and movement skills. We were there at the

810
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: Fiesta Bowl. Watch him come down on punt and make

811
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: a tackle. Um. He offers something that you just can't find.

812
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: A big guy who's a run stopper, who may be

813
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: able to do more than just become a pocket pusher

814
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: in the passing game. I think that Ryan Pain, it

815
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: really depends on which to run. Pain shows up on

816
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: your doorstep because he's talented. We saw him dominate throughout

817
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: the college football playoffs, not only against the run, but

818
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: also with a consistent presence as a pass rusher. If

819
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: that guy shows up, that guy could be a difference maker.

820
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: I think if you're the Washington risk and you're having

821
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: to consider between both guys, it really comes down to

822
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: fit in the scheme. I think both of these guys fit.

823
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: I think you can really be happy with both of

824
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: those guys as into your players being able to get

825
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: it done in your defense. Uh yeah. The Dolphins have

826
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: made obviously a lot of turnover this offseason, and I

827
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: just wanted to hear you guys thought of where you

828
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: think they might go and pick number eleven. Also somewhere

829
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: um in the second and third round as well. I

830
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: think the Bay thing with for the Miami Dolphins. You've

831
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: heard Adam Gates talk about adding more alpha dogs to

832
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: the locker room, and so before we can talk about

833
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: what they need and what positions they need to feel,

834
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: I think the personality that they bring in maybe a

835
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: little different than what they brought in the past. I

836
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: think you can find guys who have leadership qualities on

837
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: their resumes, Guys that were team captains, guys that were

838
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: proving leaders uh, vocal and otherwise. UM. When you break

839
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: down to what they need sitting that UM eleven, there

840
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: are a couple of different ways to go and a

841
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: lot of it depends on what happens early in the draft.

842
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: We talked about the run on quarterback is just the

843
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: time where the Miami Dolphins feel like they need to

844
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: jump in the quarterback market. So many of us have

845
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: kind of tried to connect the dots and put Baker

846
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: Mayfield to the Miami Dolphins, partially because he is an

847
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: alpha dog personality. He does have some skills that would

848
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: appear to be enhance and elevated by working with Adam

849
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: Gay so um. When you think about what they have

850
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: in Ryan Tannehill, he's a little different, gives them a

851
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: little more bite at the position when it comes to leadership.

852
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: If you're thinking about the offensive line and what they

853
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 1: may do, a lot of depends on where it Quinn

854
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: Nelson falls. If they have an opportunity to get a

855
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: mix I think the main thing you're looking for is

856
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: probably plays a premium more on personality than fit. I

857
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: think they're trying to get the culture right in Miami. Yeah,

858
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: and look it, normally you see a changeover, you know

859
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: in quarterback. When you have a changeover and coach, those

860
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: things kind of go together and you're gonna change the

861
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: whole philosophy. There's been so much change in Miami, moving

862
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: so many guys out, this is kind of a unique

863
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: opportunity for the same coach to kind of change the

864
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: whole set up here. Uh, not only you know, some

865
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: of those key players going out the building, but maybe

866
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: going out and finding that next quarterback. When I look

867
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 1: at where their position in this draft, I think it

868
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: makes more sense for them to move And you can

869
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: make a case, is it moving up for for the

870
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: eventual quarterback replacement of Tannehill or is it if you

871
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: want to go with the offensive line. I think it

872
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: would make sense for them with the interior depth in

873
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: this draft and maybe slide back a little bit and

874
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: get an extra pick or two. So, uh, it will see,

875
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: maybe they'll stick there at eleven. To me, when you

876
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: look at their needs, that makes more sense to move

877
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: one way or the other. It's also more of a

878
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: kind of a philosophical question when you have the teams

879
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: that are drafting as high as they are, who expect

880
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: to get someone who'll go ahead and sort of change

881
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: that franchise for a number of years. Do you think

882
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: that a pick like Barkley or Chub or Nelson, a

883
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: non quarterback, can go on to have as much impact

884
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: as a quarterback. Um, I think they can. I think

885
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: it depends on if the pieces are right. I think

886
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: if you just go and look at the last two

887
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: drafts and you look at the running backs taken in

888
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: the South five ze Elliott was the Russian leader. You

889
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: saw him hill up to Dallas. Cowboys go immediately from

890
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: being a team that was on the outside of the

891
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: tournament to being a team there was a division winner

892
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: and squarely in the mix as a contender. You look

893
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: at Leonard for Nett and what his presence did for

894
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: the Jackson with Jaguars offense. Yeah, he alleviated some of

895
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: the pressure on Blake Borders to have to be a

896
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: guy that was kind of driving the bus when it

897
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: came to that offense. So yeah, a position player outside

898
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: of quarterback can certainly be impactful. I think it really

899
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: depends on the way the team is constructed, So I'm

900
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: not necessarily all on board that the quarterback is the

901
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: only guy that can move to need a four squad.

902
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: I I agree with Bucky. You can find guys in there,

903
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: especially if you're if you have a satisfactory option at

904
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: quarterback that can come in and have an immediate impact.

905
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: I just think from a long term game plan situation

906
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: of trying to be competitive year in a year out,

907
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: having a great quarterback is going to be the best

908
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: path to get that done. And ultimately, you know, trying

909
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: to win a championship, which is everybody's goal. You hit

910
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: the jackpot when you can get a rookie quarterback, get

911
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: that five year rookie deal at those controllable numbers, and

912
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: build up the rest of your roster. Not having to

913
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: go out and and and pay a ton of money

914
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: in on the market to try and find a bridge quarterback.

915
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: It's cheaper. Just get yourself a quarterback in the draft

916
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: and try and load up everywhere else. But once you

917
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: get that position taken care of, it sure makes everything

918
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: else a lot easier. So like if you're the Giants

919
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: at two and you draft one of the non quarterbacks

920
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: and that player goes on to have success, but they

921
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: are also going to be in the market for a

922
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: quarterback as soon as this year. We're certainly in the

923
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: future with Eli's advancing age. Do you think they've had

924
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: any buyers remorse if they pass up some of these

925
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks who go on to have success while still having

926
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: someone at a different position who also has this successful career.

927
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: I guess it depends on how they view Eli. Manning

928
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: in the building, UM, David Geltman and Past Sherman believe

929
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: or Dave said that they believe Eli has a couple

930
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: of good years. So if doing those few remaining years

931
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: that he has, if they play at a high level,

932
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: they go to a Super Bowl, I think it is

933
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: well worth the trade off. I think the big thing

934
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: comes to now that you major decision that Eli is

935
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: going to be your guy, how can you support him

936
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: and elevate him? Much like the New Orleans Saints were

937
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: able to continue to keep Drew Brees playing at a

938
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: high level about surrounding him with telling the players. We

939
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: saw the running backs kind of take some of the

940
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: load off. We saw Mike Thomas be able to do

941
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: some things in New York. It is about trying to

942
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: find the right weapons to allow Eli to play at

943
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: a high level. Why his skills are beginning to diminish.

944
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't think do you ever fully regret taking a

945
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: great player from from that standpoint, Um, you worry about

946
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: the guys you picked, So I don't think there would

947
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: be tremendous regret there. I just think when you look

948
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: at the opportunity that exists right now, man, it's tough

949
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: to uh. You know, we got thirty seven year old

950
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: quarterback and you've got a pretty good group and you're

951
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: picking up there with a chance to get one. Uh,

952
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: it's tough to pass in my opinion. Guy, guys, Actually

953
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: that's the perfect segue that last question on my question,

954
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: which is you both touched on something in your opening statements.

955
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: I think Daniel you said something about about the Giant

956
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: Bucky you said something about the uh maybe Pro Bowl

957
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: caliber players slipping down because of the quarterbacks. So if

958
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: you could expand on that and if you think it's

959
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: worth the Giants straight and down to get u Quit

960
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: Nelson or Bradley Chubb lower in the top ten. And

961
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: then Daniel you said something too about edge rushers and

962
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: offensive tackles being a weak spot in miss draft, and

963
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: obviously the Giants need both of those. So would you

964
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: prioritize that then in the first round if the were them,

965
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: so that you didn't have to worry about it in

966
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: two or three. If I'm the New York Jizz, I

967
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: don't um necessarily get cute at number two. I know

968
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 1: it could be beneficial to get a boatload of picks

969
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: and to do those things. I think it depends on

970
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: how far out of the top five do I have

971
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: to go to take advantage of those picks. When you

972
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: think about the players that could be at the top

973
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: of the boarder Bradley Chubb, but say Kwan Barkley, Evia

974
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: Quinn Nelson. If you really love those guys, I think

975
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: you stick and pick. You pick those guys, you deal

976
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: with the awes lot of criticism that may come with

977
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: not taking a quarterback or not trading down and quote

978
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: unquote manipulating the draft. I think the main thing if

979
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: you're the Giants, you have to get a guy, like

980
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: they said, someone who would be the number two pick

981
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: in draft after draft after draft. I'm gonna go with

982
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl caliber player over trying to get you

983
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: to make some sexy moves. Yeah. I would just say

984
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: the only difference in no Bucket reference or the two

985
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: thousand and eleven draft, I would say that year people

986
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 1: were trying to create quarterbacks that didn't exist, um, trying

987
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: to create guys that should have been third fourth round guys,

988
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: and they were taking them in the top fifteen. When

989
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: you look at Ponder and Gabbert, Uh, those guys, especially

990
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: a Locker was in that group. I think there's a

991
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: difference between creating a quarterback and maybe elevating a quarterback.

992
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: You know, like in this situation, I have Sam Donald

993
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: is the fifth highest graded player in the draft, so

994
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: you have to ask yourself, is it worth you know,

995
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: you take the second The number one player in the

996
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: draft is se Kwon Barkley. It's a running back versus

997
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: the number five player, which is a quarterback. So to me,

998
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: the value of that position is worth, you know, if

999
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: you need one, take the quarterback in that spot. I

1000
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: do think it's different from two thousand eleven in that regard.

1001
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 1: I think these guys are much better cropper quarterbacks. Um.

1002
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: The other the other question, you're always looking at the

1003
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: depth of the class when you're trying to make your decisions.

1004
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: So the lack of edge rusher, elite edge rushers, to

1005
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: me that that is going to help a guy like

1006
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb because I think there's a drop off after

1007
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: him and then uh, and then after that, you've really

1008
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: only got a couple more guys with first round grades

1009
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: in Davenport, uh in Landry. So uh, that definitely elevates

1010
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: those guys offensive tackle. I don't know if it has

1011
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: as much of an impact because I don't think there's

1012
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: one worth a top twenty pick. I have those guys

1013
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: down a little bit further. Ali, Guys, even as we've

1014
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: had you know, successful running backs drafted in the last

1015
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: two years, it's still seems like there's been so much

1016
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: talk about how the position continues to be devalued. Do

1017
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: you guys sense the philosophies on drafting running backs are

1018
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: changing and that maybe teams are willing to wait longer.

1019
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: And when you look at that second tier of running

1020
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: backs behind Cyclon Barkley, is it possible that someone like

1021
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: a Ronald Jones, who I know you mentioned earlier could

1022
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: potentially fall as teams you know, think, hey, I can

1023
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 1: wait to get a guy like that in the third,

1024
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: fourth round. I think it's absolutely the case, because you look,

1025
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: Kimara is the guy we talked about last year. I

1026
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: think all of us you know, I know, Uh, I

1027
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: know myself, Bucky, I know, Mike Mayock, I know a

1028
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: lot of teams I talked to had first round grades

1029
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: on him. We had him in the twenties, and he

1030
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: fell to the third round. And I guarantee you that

1031
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: even though that happened, he ended up having for minutes year. Obviously,

1032
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: I guarantee there are some teams that passed on him

1033
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: in the second round of the early third round that

1034
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: wish they wouldn't have and so, um, I think there's

1035
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: a chance that still happens. But I also think there's

1036
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: a there's an understanding at the end of the day

1037
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: when you're picking players, Um, you want to finish. You

1038
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: want to finish the three days of the draft and

1039
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: look down at your list of the guys you picked

1040
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: and be excited about him. And so I think you

1041
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: can get a little bit carried away with the depth

1042
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: of this running back class. For example, if you have

1043
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: huge grades on Sony Michelle and you're picking at the

1044
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: bottom of the first round, the top of the second round.

1045
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: Even you like a guy like Mark Walton, carry on

1046
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: Johnson later on. If you have conviction in the entire room,

1047
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: I think you just take him. I don't think you

1048
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: get cute is to use Buckey's word. There. Yeah, I

1049
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: think that's the big thing this year. This draft class

1050
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: is deep at running back, and so normally when you

1051
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: see a depressed market is due to supply and demand. UM,

1052
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: the supply is great this year. Their number of running

1053
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: backs that will be drafted in the second, third, fourth

1054
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: round that can have outstanding UH contributions on their new teams. UM.

1055
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: A lot of the success of running backs that are

1056
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: drafted later really comes out to fit in scheme. How

1057
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: did these guys fit in the scheme that they're playing,

1058
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: How did the coaches deploy them? We saw that with

1059
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara. We even saw with Kareem Hunt. UM. I

1060
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: do believe that there are guys that are worthy of

1061
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: being in the first round. I believe Sae Kwon Barkley

1062
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: is the first round talent. I would say that Darius

1063
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: Guys and Sonny Michelle are also guys that are worthy

1064
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: of being taken in the first round. UM, it just

1065
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: comes down to how do people value them? And when

1066
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: you're in the room, you also have to know that

1067
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: you are saying what is that the running back position

1068
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: versus other positions? And if another position is shallow they

1069
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: don't have as much depth, you will always up to

1070
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: get a top player at that position because you feel

1071
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: like you can come back and get a comparable talent

1072
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: at a position that is loaded like running back. Does

1073
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: Ronald Jones make sense as one of those guys who

1074
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: could you know? It could fall because of that because

1075
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: teams are waiting, especially given the the off season that

1076
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: he's had. Oh, I definitely think so. If if you

1077
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: had to ask me right now how many running backs

1078
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: go in the first round, I actually think they'll be three.

1079
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: I think Barkley guys and Sony Michelle are going to

1080
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: go in the first round. I think that, Uh, it

1081
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me, you know if Ronald Jones went early

1082
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: in the second round. But it wouldn't shock me if

1083
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: you saw a little bit of a drop there because

1084
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 1: that next pack of guys with Ronald Jones, Nick Chubb,

1085
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: Rashad Penny, uh, carry on Johnson, that's a good group.

1086
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: So I think those first three have kind of separated

1087
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: themselves and then after that, I think you'll see that

1088
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: order very and uh yeah, I mean some of these

1089
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: guys you're gonna, you know, think her early second round picks.

1090
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: They might be there in the late third round. Hey, guys, UM,

1091
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: I want to get your take on the quarterback conversation

1092
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: around Baltimore right now. You know, I know, Daniel you

1093
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: put out there, you know a little while ago the

1094
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 1: possibility of the Ravens Saker Baker Mayfield. Now there's talking

1095
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: to Lamar Jackson. What's your what's your guys take on

1096
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: just the whole quarterback conversation in the first round for

1097
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: the Ravens. I think it's something that you have to consider. Um.

1098
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: The level of play at the quarterback for the position

1099
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: for the Ravens has has not been up to par

1100
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: for the last few years. And you can look at

1101
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: the supporting cast um. But uh, you know, look, some

1102
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: of that is legitimately, that criticism is legitimate of Joe Flacco.

1103
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: So bring in RG three. Um. I don't know if

1104
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: that's gonna, you know, move the needle all that much,

1105
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: but I think you do your homework on this group

1106
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks, no question, and it goes back to again

1107
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: while I was talking about earlier. If you can hit

1108
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: on a first round quarterback and live off that rookie number,

1109
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: you can build up the rest of your roster pretty quick.

1110
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: You can afford to resign guys on your own squad,

1111
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: you can afford to be a little bit more active

1112
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: in free agency. So there's a lot of value in

1113
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 1: uh in finding a quarterback. I don't know where they're

1114
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: situated right now Lamar Jackson. I think they'd have a

1115
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: shot at him there, But if they wanted one of

1116
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: the other guys, I think they'd have to They have

1117
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: to be willing to go up. Yeah. I think it's

1118
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: interesting watching what the Baltimore Ravens are going to do

1119
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: at quarterback. If you look at what Joe Flacco will common,

1120
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Speaker 1: I think they can get out from up under his

1121
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: contract and uh say maybe eighteen and a half million

1122
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: of savings in um you look at the coaching staff

1123
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: that is currently there, Marty Moorenwig and Greg Roman. When

1124
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: it comes to Lamar Jackson in particular, they have experienced

1125
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: dealing with athletic quarterback. So some of the fascination and

1126
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: intrigue could be in thinking how can we rebuild this

1127
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: offense around the dynamic quarterback while also having an athletic

1128
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: backup quarterback already in the building, an r G three.

1129
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: If it's not Lamar Jackson. When you think about Baker

1130
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: Mayfield and some of the other guys could play, it

1131
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: is about finding guys that can play in that West

1132
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: Coast system that Marty Mornwick has additionally done. Joe Flacco

1133
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: and and and and all honesty, he's a deep ball player.

1134
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: He's a guy that is a vertical threat, and he's

1135
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 1: really not a perfect fit for what they currently do.

1136
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: If they're not satisfied with the way that he's performing,

1137
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: they could look to find guys, young guys that are

1138
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: better fits for how the envision that offense playing out

1139
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: in the next few years. Guys, if I may just

1140
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: pose a question on different topics, um and you can

1141
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: just pick whatever when you want to handle. One was

1142
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: just on you mentioned Vita Via. I was just wondering,

1143
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: is there a moment on film that stands out to

1144
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: you is like just like displays kind of wow, you know,

1145
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: he's so big and he can do that, whether it's

1146
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: actual player or maybe where he even just lined up.

1147
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,439
Speaker 1: And the other one was just a discussion about Harold

1148
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: Landry and Marcus Davenport. Do you see a clear um

1149
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: distinction between those two guys as far as you know,

1150
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: this guy's feeling better, I'm thinking the Niners could use

1151
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: They really don't have a Leo to speak with Van.

1152
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: I don't know one of those guys would be better

1153
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: and solid scheme or not sure. I mean, helloy, we

1154
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: talked about a little bit earlier. We were both me

1155
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: and Bucky were sitting next to each other at the

1156
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: Fiesta Bowl when he had the made a tackle against

1157
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: Penn State on a punt, which is not something normal

1158
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: for a guy that was at that time over three

1159
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 1: fifty pounds. UM, So that just showed you just how

1160
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: rare his athletic ability was. I go back, Um, you

1161
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: can watch him. I believe it was Oregon. You can

1162
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: watch him Stanford. I mean, he's just throwing guys all

1163
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: over the place. Uh it is. There's there's plenty of

1164
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: wild moments when you're studying him on tape. There no

1165
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: question in terms of those two edge rushers. UM, I

1166
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: think Bradley Chub's clearly established himself at the top of

1167
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: the list. And then what you hit on. Is the

1168
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: debate that's taken place? Is it Marcus Davenport um or

1169
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: are you gonna go with Harold Landry? What do you

1170
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: prefer there? Uh? To me, Davenport is not as polished

1171
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: as Landry as a rusher, but he's bigger, he's longer,

1172
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 1: he's more explosive. I think the upside with him is

1173
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: is greater and Uh when he's been in a two

1174
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: point stance. You saw the Senior Bowl. He was very comfortable.

1175
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: They're standing up. He can he can destroy tight ends

1176
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: in the run game, and then he's got tremendous upside.

1177
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: But as a pure pass rushert just if you were

1178
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: gonna talk about third down get after the quarterback, I

1179
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: would say Harold Landry has more tricks in his bag

1180
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: right now. Buck, Yeah, I think I think we go

1181
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: back to answer the question about Vita Via. I think

1182
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: I was most impressed when I had a chance to

1183
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: glimpse at his highlightsages from high school and watching him

1184
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: play running back. Um, when you go back and you're

1185
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: doing the deep dive on UH prospects, whenever you can

1186
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: find something in the background that makes them a little

1187
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: unique to have someone that size being able to tote

1188
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: the rock. You just don't see that kind of athleticism

1189
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: for a big man. Uh. As it relates to the

1190
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: debate between Landry and Davenport, it really comes down to

1191
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: what you prefer at the position. Davenport is bigger, he's fast,

1192
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 1: he's a little more explosive. Um. DJ is right. He

1193
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: is much more comfortable being a guy that can come

1194
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: out of a two point stance and if you're hitting him,

1195
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,399
Speaker 1: give him a little time. He quickly could develop into

1196
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: a guy that is a freak off the edge. And

1197
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: Harold Andrey, Um, I think you're getting the guy that

1198
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: understands the art of pass rushing. Um. He has some

1199
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: moves in his bag that are polished. Um. He can

1200
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: explode off the ball, he can dip and rip, and

1201
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: then you see the production from his junior season. It's

1202
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: easy to kind of fall in love with him in

1203
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: that regard. I think he comes down to like going

1204
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: to an ice cream shop, what flavor do you like?

1205
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: Both guys should be really really good pros. Though. Hey, guys,

1206
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: just wondering if you're in John always position, how do

1207
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: you a wait taking a player who can help you

1208
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: right away? Which is in line with this thought of

1209
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: life is too short to rebuild in the NFL versus

1210
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: potentially finding a franchise quarterback there at five, Well, I

1211
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: think it comes down to your you know, internal evaluation

1212
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: of what you have at the quarterback position, and you

1213
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: know case Keenum bringing him in there, and if you

1214
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: if you think you can get case Keenum to play

1215
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: at the level he played at last year. As you know,

1216
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: it's thirty years old. I believe right now, if you

1217
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 1: believe he can sustain that level of play, then I

1218
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: think you can address some other positions. Um, that's just

1219
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: the cha lenge that you have inside that building is

1220
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: where your comfort level is with him. I think there

1221
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: are some there's an impact player that could they could

1222
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: get right there. They could plug in and if they

1223
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 1: get solid quarterback play there, right back in the postseason

1224
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: next year. So I think that would be tempting to

1225
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: me if you're asking what I would do there, especially

1226
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: because I think at five they could very well miss

1227
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: out on three and potentially even all four of the

1228
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: top quarterbacks. The way this could come off the board,

1229
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: here's the limit for the Denver Broncos if it plays

1230
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,720
Speaker 1: out where you have to make a decision between a

1231
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: future franchise quarterback and a position player. I think where

1232
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: their roster currently rest, they need to get an impact player.

1233
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 1: Right now. The defense is coming back to the pack

1234
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: in terms of the level of dominance, so you want

1235
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: to capitalize that. If not, you want to spark that up.

1236
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: A pass rusher, another guy to go opposite Von Miller, UH,

1237
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: cover corner, someone that can step right in for what

1238
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: a key to Leave was doing. That would help that

1239
00:56:56,760 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: defense continue to maintain that high championship standard. Uh. When

1240
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: it comes to quarterback play, I think they have proven

1241
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: that they've been good enough to win with the quarterback

1242
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: playing in a complimentary role. We saw that with Payton,

1243
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: Manning and brock Us while they're doing the Super Bowl run.

1244
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's imperative that they have

1245
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: to upgrade their position, but I do know if they're

1246
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: going to play like that, they have to make sure

1247
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: that the other pieces of the polls are outstanding. Hey,

1248
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: Daniel Uh, late in the season last year for almor

1249
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: And you called carry on Johnson when you're evaluating him

1250
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: a first round talent. Obviously you had injuries, you know,

1251
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: down the stretch of that season, I'm wondering where do

1252
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: you think he fits right now? What what would be

1253
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: a good landing spot for him at the next level.

1254
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: Uh in what you said was a really deep running

1255
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: back class. Yeah, no, Look, he's a he's a really

1256
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: really good player. He's right now. I have him just

1257
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: outside my top fifty. Really kind of testament to just

1258
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: the overall depth of this class. I think he is

1259
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: a first round caliber player that's going to go in

1260
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: the second round. Um But you know, to me, when

1261
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: you look at it fits for him and where he

1262
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: could potentially go. He can do a little bit of everything.

1263
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: You know, when you look at the shorter quickness he has,

1264
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: the way he does, the way he holds up in

1265
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: past protection I thought was impressive. You can use him

1266
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: in the passing game, in the screen game a little bit. Um.

1267
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: So there there's a lot of options for him outside

1268
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: the outside the first round. I don't think he lands

1269
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,959
Speaker 1: in there. I keep an eye on the Giants even

1270
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: as a team if they don't get Sae Kwon Barkley

1271
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: in the first round. Uh, Carrie on Johnson could be

1272
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: a nice fallback for them as is a good fit there.

1273
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: And I also want to ask both of you guys,

1274
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: um about what you thought about Carlton Davis, another Auburn

1275
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: player at cornerback and kind of kind of where you

1276
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: see him for the next level and kind of his

1277
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: stock compared to the other cornerbacks in this class. Uh,

1278
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of buzz on Carlon Davis. I know

1279
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Speaker 1: there are a lot of UH defensive back coaches that

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Speaker 1: are high on him. Obviously, they love his size, his toughness,

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Speaker 1: his grit um, the way he plays a position on

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Speaker 1: the island, and so anytime you can find bigger corners

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Speaker 1: that can move and transition and kind of give you

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Speaker 1: the toughness and tackling that you see from him on

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Speaker 1: the edge, you like that. For me, I like just

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Speaker 1: a competitive nation that he displays on the field. I

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Speaker 1: think he has a chance. I don't think he sneaks

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Speaker 1: into the bottom of the first round, but I think

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Speaker 1: he is a top of the second, middle of the

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Speaker 1: second round player. I think somewhere in the top fifty

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Speaker 1: years he hears his name called. Yeah, he was a

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Speaker 1: tough one for me. I ended up giving him kind

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Speaker 1: of a late second round grade. Um, But you know,

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Speaker 1: you watch him against Georgia in their first meeting and

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Speaker 1: then you can see him press wide receiver straight out

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Speaker 1: of balance. He did it on multiple occasions, so he

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Speaker 1: is physical up there and pressed. Uh, he can run.

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Speaker 1: I thought he ran a little He played a little

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Speaker 1: bit faster than he tied. I think he ran a

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Speaker 1: little four five, So he played a little faster than that.

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Speaker 1: He does play a little bit in the slot. I

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Speaker 1: just thought he was a little leggy, which is uh

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Speaker 1: is for taller corners. That's just kind of a scouting

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Speaker 1: term that you see show up sometimes and in some

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Speaker 1: of the transition movement. I thought he was a little

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Speaker 1: bit leggy and was a little bit late there. Um.

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Speaker 1: So those were my concerns with him. But he's big,

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Speaker 1: he's tough, and uh, he's got a chance to go.

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Speaker 1: I think I think he's gonna go on the top

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Speaker 1: forty um, just because the position, And it wouldn't shock

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Speaker 1: me if at the end of the day a press

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Speaker 1: corner team snuck him in into the bottom of the

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Speaker 1: first round, that wouldn't totally shock me. Toura States only

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Speaker 1: had a couple of receivers drafted in the last decade,

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Speaker 1: but it looks like is going to be the next one.

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Speaker 1: Kind of your thoughts on him and his potential the

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Speaker 1: next level. I mean, I think he's another one of

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Speaker 1: those big body playmakers that have come out of Florida State. Um,

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Speaker 1: he has a lot of potential. He has the ability

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Speaker 1: to really be a problem on the perimeter when you

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Speaker 1: see him, I mean two hundred and eight pounds is

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a big man on the outside, and

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Speaker 1: so they have to play the game differently, kind of

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Speaker 1: like Kelvin Benjamin has to play as a pro. Um

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Speaker 1: has to come down and snag balls off the top

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Speaker 1: of defender's heads. He's gonna be able to do that.

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Speaker 1: The big issue with him doesn't run fast enough. How

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Speaker 1: fast is he can he separate? That would be the

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Speaker 1: challenge for him at the next level. I think you're

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Speaker 1: probably looking at a guy that goes in the third round,

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Speaker 1: but he has the potential to outplay that draft status. Now.

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Speaker 1: I think he could drop a little bit just because speed,

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Speaker 1: but dang, he's darn near six five, two thirty pounds.

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Speaker 1: He reminded me of Funchis when Funchis was comeing out

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Speaker 1: of Michigan, and we've seen Funchis really developed into a

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Speaker 1: good player there for the Carolina Panthers. He's a strider um,

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Speaker 1: but he's you know, he does build some speed once

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Speaker 1: he gets going. He's just not a fast starter. But

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Speaker 1: he's a red zone guy. So to me, I think

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Speaker 1: he probably ends up because of the sheer number of

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. He probably lands in that fourth fifth round.

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Speaker 1: Would be my guest in this draft, but it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: surprise me if he's somewhere that jumps in there and

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01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: has you know, six seven touchdowns as a rookie as

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Speaker 1: a red zone guy. Yeah, hey, God with the Panthers

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Speaker 1: at most of the talk here locally has been the

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Speaker 1: debate between do you go get Cam another weapon, be

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Speaker 1: it at at wide receiver. Daniel was just talking about

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Speaker 1: Fungis you know we're a tight end potentially, or do

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Speaker 1: you do you kind of secure the back end where

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Speaker 1: they've had a lot of transition this year. Is that

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Speaker 1: where you guys think the debate is? And if not,

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01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,919
Speaker 1: where else do you think they might look at twenty four?

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01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: I think they have to go and get someone that

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01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: can impact the passing game. When you look at Greg

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01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: Olson and you're already hearing the whispers that this might

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Speaker 1: be it, this could be his last year. I want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that I find another weapon for Cam

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Speaker 1: Newton to have over the middle of the field. When

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Speaker 1: you look at Cam's game and where he typically likes

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01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: to target receivers, he likes to work inside the numbers

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Speaker 1: down to field. I want to get him another guy

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Speaker 1: so then we can put two tight ends on the field.

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Speaker 1: I can work both tight ends to make them very comfortable.

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Speaker 1: In this draft. Hayden Hurst, Dallas Goddard Um a little

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01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: lower than that, Mike Gasecki. There's some talented guys that

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Speaker 1: can create problems with their size and expand the strike

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Speaker 1: zone for the quarterback. I think it's essential for the

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Speaker 1: Panthers that they have enough big bodies on the field

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Speaker 1: to be able to kind of make Cam right when

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Speaker 1: he is throwing the ball. I look, I think that's

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Speaker 1: a that's a strong case you can make there. I

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Speaker 1: just think when you talk about building your team to

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Speaker 1: win your division and you look at some of the

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Speaker 1: passing attacks you gotta deal with inside that division, I

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Speaker 1: think being able to find some some more talent at

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Speaker 1: the corner position, it's definitely something you have to consider.

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Speaker 1: Guys like Mike Hues Jr. Alexander uh and Josh Jackson

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Speaker 1: from Iowa. I would say those three guys specifically, Uh,

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Speaker 1: they got to sort those guys out and get comfortable

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Speaker 1: with them, because I think when you look at what's

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Speaker 1: needed to win inside that division. You saw last year

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Speaker 1: New Orleans and what they did when they went out

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Speaker 1: and got a guy like Marshawn Lattimore, the impact he

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Speaker 1: had on that defense. Uh, you know, I think Mike

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Speaker 1: hus a darn good football player, saying with Alexander, either

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Speaker 1: one of those guys, to me specifically, would be would

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01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: be really good picks. I think one one more thing

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Speaker 1: to add I think would be interesting to watch what

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Speaker 1: they do from a philosophical standpoint, because Marty Herny is

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Speaker 1: back there. They had always placed a premium on the

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Speaker 1: front seven over the back end, and so when you

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Speaker 1: look at what they have and what they've traditionally done,

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Speaker 1: they haven't invested a whole whole lot in the cornerback position.

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Speaker 1: Because that front four looks pretty good. They may elect

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Speaker 1: to add the weapon early and then it's come back

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Speaker 1: in the second and third round see if they can

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01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: find a corner later on. Well, there you go, there's

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Speaker 1: the Uh, there's the press conference. In the books, Buck.

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Speaker 1: We did not get any questions about Canadian football players

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Speaker 1: for the first time. Normally we get one of those

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Speaker 1: who's the top Canadian. I was ready. Nathan Shepherd has

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Speaker 1: Canadian background there at Fort Hay State. I was ready

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Speaker 1: for that question did not come, unfortunately, No, I really

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01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: saw the questions. Um. Obviously, there's a lot of work

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Speaker 1: that goes into what you and I do in terms

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Speaker 1: of looking at prospects, trying to forecast what teams will

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Speaker 1: do and the like. So it's good to kind of

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Speaker 1: share some of the information with some inquisitive reporters from

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Speaker 1: respective fan bases to make sure that their fans kind

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Speaker 1: of have an idea of what their team could do

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Speaker 1: on Draft Day. No question. So that's uh, that is

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Speaker 1: gonna do it for this one. We have the three

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Speaker 1: sixty series is rolling right along. The Baker Mayfield just

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Speaker 1: I believe only two left right. We've got Josh Rosen

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Speaker 1: and Sam Donald left to go. It's right, only two

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Speaker 1: left leaning up to the draft. Seven total right, so

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Speaker 1: we've got five in the can right now do we

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