1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: This was a wee the people election, It get off 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: our lawn election. We took our power back as the 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: American people after experiencing the heavy hand of government since COVID, 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: even before that, remember when Obama targeted the Tea Party 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: with the IRS. Americans are sick and tired of this. 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: We want our power back, we want our country back, 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: we want patriotism back, we want common sense back. We 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: want an economy that doesn't punish hard working taxpayers. 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: So that's what this election was about. 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: But now that we have the majority, now that we 11 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: have the White House, now that we have the House, 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: now that we have the Senate, what do we do 13 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: with it? What does the path forward look like? We'll 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: talk to someone who wrote the book about it. The 15 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: book is called Don's Early Late, Taking Back Washington to 16 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: Save America. So now that we've taken back Washington, how 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: do we save America. Kevin Roberts is the author. He 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: is the president of the Heritage Foundation. He also has 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: a PhD in American history. 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: So this is his. 21 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: Passion and this is what he has spent his life's work, 22 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: his career on talking about American history. So we'll get 23 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: into this conversation with him, you know, what did the next. 24 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: Four years look like? 25 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: How do we build a long lasting Republican majority, How 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: do we rebuild these institutions that have been failing us 27 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: for so long? So all of that more with my 28 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: friend Kevin Roberts. Stay tuned, Kevin Roberts. It's great to 29 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: have you on this show. So the last time we 30 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: were on it was a little depressing. We were in 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: the midst of feeling like, you know, maybe this is 32 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: the end of the Republic and you know, wondering or 33 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: for institutions would be able to hold. And thank god, 34 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: things have changed in the past couple of weeks and 35 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: because of Donald Trump's victory and Republicans retaking Congress, and 36 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: it really does feel like a new day in America. 37 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Kevin, but I feel like 38 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: this weight's just been lifted off her shoulders, you know, 39 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: feeling a pride in the country again and just feeling 40 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: of renewed hope. Is that how you've been feeling or 41 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, what's the past couple of weeks been like 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: for you? 43 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: Yeah? I couldn't agree more. 44 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 4: You know, as you do, Lisa, I travel the country 45 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 4: for work and happily, because it's always nice to get 46 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 4: out of the neighborhood of Washington elites, where heritage operates 47 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 4: behind enemy lines, and be with ordinary Americans. 48 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: And you know, whether on the Gulf Coast or Florida. 49 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 4: Or the West Coast, or even in New York City recently, 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 4: people use that same metaphor, which is that they feel 51 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 4: like a weight's been lifted from their shoulders are in 52 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 4: some cases, if you think about small and medium sized 53 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 4: business owners off of their chest, that they can actually 54 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 4: breathe again. And I think it speaks to this point 55 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 4: that you open with, which is that the last time 56 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 4: we visited, we were concerned about the deterioration of our institutions, 57 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 4: which is a way of saying, sort of on a 58 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 4: day to day basis that Americans are feeling like the 59 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 4: American dream is slipping away. And once again, a majority 60 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 4: of Americans since that and decided. 61 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 3: That they want to do elect demand who's. 62 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 4: Proven that he's able to confront that. The real test 63 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 4: is going to be the real hard work is going 64 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 4: to be what comes up in the next months, which 65 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 4: is actually implementing those policies that rehabilitate the American Dream. 66 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, the irony is, you know, they called him Hitler, 67 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: and yet he's uniting the nations. 68 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: It's amazing, isn't it. But they still won't. 69 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: Give him his victory, Like, you know, I'm reading all 70 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: these headlines like, oh, the Trump's mandate is a myth, 71 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: Like Donald Trump's mandate isn't as strong as it s 72 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: Like they just they won't ever even in victory, Like 73 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: they just can't give him the credit that he's so rightfully. 74 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: Fought for and earned. 75 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: They cannot bring themselves to do it. 76 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 4: I will say that I've taken a bit of a 77 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 4: sadistic pleasure in watching radical leftists contort themselves over Trump 78 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 4: winning the popular vote. And then this related point you make, 79 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 4: which is just giving him credit for not only meeting 80 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: the political moment, but also doing so in a way 81 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 4: that's very substantive in terms of the policy diagnosis that 82 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 4: he articulated and as well as the solutions. And you 83 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 4: and I were just touching base informally throughout the campaign, 84 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 4: and there was a particular point, not to speak for you, 85 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 4: although I remember you and I being on the same 86 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 4: page where I thought the Trump Vance campaign hadn't yet 87 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 4: found its footing as it relates to the policy diagnosis 88 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 4: and solutions, and that's very normal and natural, by the way. 89 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 4: But once they did so coming out of the DNC 90 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 4: convention in response to what was a mildly successful convention 91 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 4: for the vice president, and they found that footing, then 92 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: you saw those polls closed and they really flipped when 93 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 4: jd Vance debated Tim Waltz. And the reason jd Vance 94 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 4: I think did so well is because of this emphasis 95 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 4: on policy substance, on articulating where we need to go 96 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 4: from here. And I am fully convinced that, in fact, 97 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 4: they will do so. And that's why it's so difficult 98 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 4: for all these talking heads on the left to even 99 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 4: bring themselves to admit that these two guys actually have 100 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 4: already been successful. 101 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: Well, I think one thing. 102 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: That Trump taught us to which I feel like Republicans 103 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: have been reluctant to do so in the past, is 104 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: like to go into the blue territories to fight for 105 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: these votes, to let these voters know that, like, no, we. 106 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: Want you on our team. 107 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: You know, like you really expanded the tent in a 108 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: way that you know, I don't know if Republicans have 109 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: been able to do so in the past or at 110 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: least not for a very long time. I mean, you 111 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: look at even some of these blue states like New 112 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: York swinging and his direction by I think something like 113 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: eleven point five percent, New Jersey by ten percent, California 114 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: by eight percent, winning you know, some of these majority 115 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 1: Hispanic counties winning Dearborn, Michigan, the biggest majority Arab city 116 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: in the country, you know, winning Native Americans, you know, 117 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: Asian swinging in his direction, Black swinging his direct you know. 118 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: Like just he really went in and he fought in. 119 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: These areas, and so I think you're like moving forward, 120 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, look, Trump's such a unique entity, right, 121 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: Like he's a probably a what you know, we'll never 122 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: see anyone like him again. But he kind of taught 123 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: us that, like, no, we can fight for these votes, 124 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: and we should fight for these votes, and we should 125 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: make our case in these areas. 126 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 4: And the reason it works is that Trump and Vance 127 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 4: are so authentic. I mean, think about if ten years ago, 128 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 4: I told you, Lisa, there's going to be this real 129 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 4: estate billionaire from New York who is going to be 130 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 4: the first Republican to win Star County, Texas, which has 131 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 4: the highest percentage of hispanics of any county in this 132 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 4: country hasn't voted Republicans since the very tail end of reconstruction. 133 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 4: You would say, Kevin, you've lost your ever loving mind, 134 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 4: and you would have been right. 135 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: Well. 136 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 4: Trump was able to do that, not just because of 137 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 4: great campaign and policy diagnosis, but because of his authenticity. 138 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 4: In other words, a majority of Americans and all the 139 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,919 Speaker 4: places you mentioned, these blue states, are just tired of 140 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 4: being pandered to. They're tired of the identity politics of 141 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 4: the left, in addition to being tired of the terrible 142 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 4: policy of the policies of the Biden Harris regime. 143 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: And great lesson for those of us who. 144 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: Do politics or political messaging for a living, and that 145 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 4: is all of that's great, but at some point you 146 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 4: really do have to sort of meet people where they 147 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 4: are and be yourself and not pander to them. And 148 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 4: a majority of Americans respect the heck out of that. 149 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 4: And the real proof in the pudding will be is 150 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 4: if Trump is able to pass that baton of appealing 151 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 4: to those places and Americans in those places, whether he's 152 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 4: passing that to the Vice President jd. Vance or other 153 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: members of his administration, that's also a decidedly young administration 154 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 4: thus far, and of course that's very exciting about the future. 155 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I've been thinking, I think this is like 156 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: a wee the people election of Americans taking their power back, 157 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, get offer along election of you know, wanting 158 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: the government offer back and wanting to like love and 159 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: believe in our country again, right because we've been told 160 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: for so long that America's divided its race as it's terrible, 161 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: and I think, like, you know what, No, this is 162 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: the greatest country in the world, and we're reclaiming it. 163 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: You know, we want to be great again, make America great. 164 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: It's so simple, I guess, you know, one thing as 165 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: we kind of get into what the next four years 166 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: will look like, and also your book as well. You know, 167 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: my only concern is that I hope the Republican Party 168 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: doesn't mistake what happened is a mandate for the Republican Party. 169 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a mandate for Donald Trump and 170 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: his agenda. And he brought the House in the Senate 171 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: with him. And you know, I remember back in two 172 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: thousand and nine when Time magazine had a picture on 173 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: it and depicted the Republic. They said that, you know, 174 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: the Republican the RNC that the GUP was an endangered species. 175 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: And then in twenty ten, I was at the NRCC 176 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: the following midterm election and Republicans netted sixty three seats. 177 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: So we went from. 178 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: Being told that we were an endangered species species to 179 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: then going on and you know, winning the midterm elections 180 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: in a landslide. And so you know, one, we shouldn't 181 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: count the Democrat Party out, and then secondly, I think 182 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: Republicans will be punished in the midterms if they don't 183 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: deliver on the agenda that Donald Trump sold America and 184 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: this election cycle and promised Americans this election cycle. 185 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: Look, I think you hit the bullseye. 186 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 4: It's really important, bottom line up front, that especially the 187 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 4: establishment part of the GOP not conclude that this election 188 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 4: was somehow a mandate for them and what are some now. 189 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,239 Speaker 3: Pretty outdated policies. 190 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 4: And so it's really important moving forward that we understand 191 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 4: that Trump's victory was a rebuke not just of the 192 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 4: Biden Harris administration, but also a rebuke of establishment Washington, 193 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 4: establishment Republicans in Washington. And you're already seeing some of 194 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 4: those battle lines within the broader Republican Party being established 195 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 4: on some of President Trump's nominations. And the advice that 196 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 4: I would give to people who are paying attention is 197 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 4: that this is just two things. Number One, these battle 198 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 4: lines are just the beginning of what will be, as 199 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 4: one of my colleagues calls them, the death throes of 200 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 4: the Washington Republican establishment. But secondly, it's also imperative that 201 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 4: if we learn a lesson from this election, say just 202 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 4: you know, regular movement conservatives, it's actually the power through 203 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 4: those battle lines that the establishment happens to be drawing. 204 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 4: Why is that important not just for political success hopefully 205 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 4: mitigating at the very least what's historically likely to be 206 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 4: midterm losses in twenty twenty six, but even more importantly 207 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 4: to your key point, actually delivering on the mandate that 208 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 4: was given. 209 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: By the American people. 210 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 4: And that mandate was given to two men, Donald Trump 211 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: and JD. Vance to go fix this mess. And the 212 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 4: majority of Americans don't care if the solutions are liberal, conservative, 213 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 4: Republican Democrat. They simply want them fixed. I think that's 214 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 4: got they have to have a zealous focus on them. 215 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: A se see Donald Trump's and JD. Vance's cabinet take shape. 216 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: What do you think this administration is going to look like. 217 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 4: I think it's going to be a great reflection politically, 218 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 4: speaking of the center right of the political spectrum. You 219 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 4: think about RFK, you know some things I disagree with. 220 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 4: I agree with him mightily on what he's being hired 221 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 4: to do, and he's right there in the center all 222 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 4: the way to the right. I think the vice president 223 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 4: elective course is there, although as the leading figure of 224 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: the so called new right, you know, there are some 225 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 4: what establishment Washington would call some heterodoxy. I think it 226 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: is very refreshing, but there are already and Trump hasn't 227 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 4: even filled all of the slots great representatives of all 228 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 4: of the important parts of the center right in this country. 229 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 4: And so politically, I think it's very smart. And then secondly, 230 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 4: it's also younger. I mean, for those of us who 231 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 4: are very proud generation exers, you know, the only generation 232 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 4: to deliver a majority to the president. I'm very happy 233 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 4: to see that thus far the oldest appointees are fifty 234 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 4: three Marco Rubio, and this is good. But then the 235 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 4: third thing is it is an energetic administration. It reminds 236 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 4: me very much, and I'll just geek out for thirty 237 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 4: seconds here, Lisa Please, an early American historian. It reminds 238 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 4: me of what Alexander Hamilton had in mind when he 239 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 4: was theorizing about what the executive the president but also 240 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 4: the executive branch should look like. And Trump, I think 241 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 4: personifies Hamilton's vision of the vigorous executive. But it's also 242 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 4: important that the executive branch be vigorous at the cabinet 243 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 4: level so that it can take on the part of 244 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 4: the executive branch, the administrative state that really has to. 245 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: Be rained in. And I think all of these men 246 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 3: and women, wherever. 247 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 4: They are on that political spectrum, are going to do 248 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 4: that because that's the charge they're being given by the 249 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 4: president himself. 250 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: You've got a quick commercial break more with Kevin Roberts. 251 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: On the other side, we. 252 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: Have a lot of people who are going to be 253 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: serving in government who distrust government, right right, because I 254 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: don't want people there who like love government and think 255 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: government's of the solution, right Like I love like the 256 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: fact that he's putting people like Elon and that vague 257 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: can charge of trying to go in and dismantle into 258 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, you know, And I love the fact that 259 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: he's like RFK Junior is very distrusting of public health 260 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: and like I love that, Like I want people or 261 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: people who have been unfairly targeted by government, like I 262 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: want people in there who hate government to be perfectly honest. 263 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 3: It's true, this, this is what we need. 264 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 4: And look that actually is one of the binding forces, 265 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: if you will, ideologically of the administration figures thus far, 266 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 4: which is that, Ay, most importantly, they love this country 267 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 4: and they do not accept the defeatism that it's best 268 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 4: days are behind it. But b they're not pollyannish about that. 269 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 4: And that's what I hear a lot, you know, from 270 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 4: establishment Republicans in Washington, which is that Kevin, you know, 271 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 4: why do you Inheritage talk about America being so weak? Well, 272 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 4: we're a policy organization. We call reality the way we 273 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 4: see it, and that's true. But then c they're actually 274 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 4: positing solutions to those problems, and their solutions, to your point, Lisa, 275 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 4: that are extremely distressful of government, and it's really important 276 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 4: that they remain focused on that. If they do that, 277 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 4: and also if they remain very good messengers, and that's 278 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 4: another thing they all share, they continue to close the 279 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 4: sale as it were with the American people that I 280 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 4: actually think you're going to sustain, if not expand, the 281 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 4: political will they have to get a lot of these programs, 282 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 4: let's say diminished. 283 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: Well, because I mean, government's not supposed to have this 284 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: big of a choke hold over our lives, like this 285 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: is not how it was supposed to be before we 286 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: get into the book and some of the solutions that 287 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: we could hopefully see over the next four years. Were 288 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: you surprised that Project twenty twenty five became like so 289 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: much campaign fodder for Kamala Harris and the left? 290 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: I was. 291 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 4: I mean, we were expecting that they would attack it, 292 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 4: because even though Heritage has led this kind of effort 293 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 4: every four years since nineteen eighty, we've never done it 294 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 4: on the scale. As you know, we had one hundred 295 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 4: and ten organizations join us our invitation, and the reason 296 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: we did that is because we wanted to meet this 297 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,359 Speaker 4: moment as you and I were just talking about, regarding 298 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 4: the need to devolve power from government in Washington. 299 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 3: Back to the people. 300 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 4: But I was surprised, we were surprised that it became 301 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 4: such a target for them. I saw an estimate recently 302 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 4: that they spent somewhere between fifty and seventy five million 303 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 4: dollars attacking Project twenty twenty five, and they mischaracterized almost 304 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 4: everything about it except one, which is that we do, 305 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 4: in fact, not only call for the elimination of the 306 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 4: Education Department, but. 307 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: Have the plan for it. 308 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 4: Ultimately, I guess we should be gratified that while the 309 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 4: attacks seemed to work for five or six weeks, once 310 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 4: we started responding and getting fact checks, and once I 311 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 4: think the presidential campaign was able to explain, look, we're 312 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 4: in a different lane than this project, then they started 313 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 4: losing their effectiveness and. 314 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 3: They ultimately didn't work. 315 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 4: And so now what we have is double the number 316 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: of people who have volunteered to be in the personnel 317 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 4: database from ten thousand to twenty thousand. To state the obvious, 318 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 4: it's up to the president and vice president elect if 319 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 4: they want to hire those people. We operate in that 320 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 4: spirit of service. But if anything, Lisa, especially now in hindsight, 321 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 4: we realize two things moving forward. First is we're always. 322 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 3: Going to do this. 323 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 4: Heritage has always done this, so we're not going to stop. 324 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 4: And in fact, we're expanding this effort not just from 325 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 4: Washington to many state capitals, but even to some counties 326 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 4: and some cities where county executives and mayors have asked 327 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 4: for our help. But the second thing is in that 328 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 4: six weeks in April and May, when the Left was 329 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 4: beginning to use this as a campaign tactic, and we 330 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 4: decided we were not going to respond because we're careful 331 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 4: stewards of our donors' money. We now know next time around, 332 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 4: if they punch us, we punch them twice, and we're 333 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 4: prepared to do that in twenty twenty six and twenty 334 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 4: twenty eight. 335 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: Well also think it's because they didn't have anything to 336 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: run on. And then I also think people I also 337 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: think that people at home are like, look, I can't 338 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: put food on my table and you're talking about this 339 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: like Project twenty. 340 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: Twenty five, you know, like it's like to me, it 341 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: just kind of like. 342 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: Seemed like added to Like people are like, you know, 343 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what this is, Like, I don't care. 344 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: I just want to know how, you know, how are 345 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: we going to pay the bills? What are you going 346 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: to do about the border? 347 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: You know, like what are you going to actually do 348 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: about like what you know, the issues that are impacting 349 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: my day to day? All right, So your new book, 350 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: Dawn's really late taking back Washington to save America. So 351 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: we have taken back Washington, at least in terms of 352 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: the balance of power. So how do we save America 353 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: now that we've got now that we've taken it back. 354 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 4: Now that we've taken it back, we have to have 355 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 4: men and women pointed not just to cabinet level positions, 356 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 4: but two, three, four, five levels beneath them who have 357 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 4: this spirit of taking back the country, have the expertise 358 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 4: to do so, and have a hunger for diminishing the 359 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 4: size of the federal government. And the good news is, 360 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 4: while we're in the early phase of that step, Lisa, 361 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 4: the early indications are very good. And then the third 362 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 4: step is we have to have legislation that accompanies this. 363 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 4: Much of this happen through executive order. But I think 364 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 4: you and I agree that we do, eventually in this 365 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: Republic want to get out of this pattern we've been 366 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 4: in for decades where there is sort of a yo 367 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 4: yo between Democrat and Republican administrations using executive orders. The 368 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 4: only way out of that is for Congress to stop 369 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 4: abrogating its responsibility, its own authority, and actually re establish 370 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 4: itself as a partner with the executive branch on this 371 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 4: dismantling of the administrative state. So in addition to helping 372 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 4: with the transition for the next administration, our scholars at 373 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 4: Heritage are very focused on that legislation. But what I 374 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 4: talk about in the book, sort of the punchline here, 375 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 4: is that Washington can only become less important if we 376 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 4: spend less time worrying about Washington and more time focused 377 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 4: on the work we're doing, not just at our state. 378 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 3: Capitals, but especially in our local communities. 379 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 4: I don't want to sound too esoteric here, but I 380 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 4: actually think that we can take this country back, not 381 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 4: just with great power in Washington, but by regenerating our 382 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 4: institutions at home, our k through twelve schools, our school boards, 383 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 4: our county commissions, our churches. In other words, every American 384 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 4: can play a role. And what I think is going 385 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 4: to be a golden era of policy. 386 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: For well, I think it's like you know, you're you're 387 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: totally totally agree with you like building from you know, 388 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: the ground up, like locally and our community is on 389 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: a statewide level, and then also in d C, really 390 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: trying to get rid of this permanent bureaucracy, the deep 391 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 1: state trying to like dismantle and disrupt that power as 392 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: much as you can and the longest lasting way you can, 393 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: while simultaneously building up locally and at the state level 394 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: as well. You know, DC is hard to change, right, 395 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: Like you know, you've got the bureaucracy there. It's hard 396 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: to fire people sometimes, you know, what do you how 397 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: do you think they could go about. 398 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: Sort of loosening the grip of d C, giving. 399 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: The space for people to build up, you know, locally 400 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: at the community level and then also within their states 401 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: as well well. 402 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 4: I think there are two or three channels that in 403 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 4: the next year year and a half will be very telling. 404 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 4: The first is just to talk about a DC specific solution. 405 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 4: These cabinet secretaries need to let vacant positions remain vacant, 406 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 4: and depending upon how aggressive the administration wants to be, 407 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 4: they can use civil service reform, which is very appropriate 408 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 4: and even good to make sure that we're diminishing the 409 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 4: size of the government. But the second channel is important, 410 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 4: and in fact, that first channel of executive action can't 411 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 4: be sustained in terms of the popular will unless this 412 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 4: second channel happens and it speaks directly to the underlying 413 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 4: point of your question, which is what can each of 414 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 4: us do as individuals. 415 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 3: We really do. 416 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 4: Need to make if we're going to make America great again, 417 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 4: we need to make our towns and counties and cities 418 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 4: and states great again. And yeah, I mean part of 419 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 4: what I'm saying here, and I talk about it in 420 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 4: the book as an academic a little bit is revitalizing federalism. 421 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 4: We understand that philosophically in terms of political science. But 422 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 4: what I try to do in the book is explain 423 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 4: what that actually means day to day for each of us. 424 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 4: It means just to use perhaps a silly example, but 425 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: it's one that has apropos for me as a longtime 426 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 4: member of the Rotary club, go to your Rotary club meetings. 427 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 4: Maybe you stop going because there was some person who 428 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 4: gave kind of a dumb talk you disagreed with, or 429 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 4: there's someone there you disagree with. 430 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 3: Go there. Re establish your bowling league. 431 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 4: Even if you're a grandparent your kids obviously have their 432 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 4: own kids, Go coach little league baseball. And I think 433 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 4: the following is also very important. Whatever your faith is, 434 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 4: if you've gotten just a little lazy, let's say, with 435 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 4: being part of a church, community, go back start this weekend. 436 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 4: It's those kinds of things that, when we add them 437 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 4: all up together, actually are what make this country great. 438 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 4: And it's really important that we understand not only will 439 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 4: the solutions in Washington be insufficient to make America great again. 440 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 4: Political solutions written large are insufficient. We have to do 441 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 4: some things in our own lives socially and culturally and 442 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 4: economically to participate. And then the third thing is which 443 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 4: is my hiby horse since the since election day, and 444 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 4: I think you will appreciate this other than say Fox 445 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 4: and maybe a couple of other news outlets, stop watching 446 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 4: and subscribing to legacy media. They're liars, they hate this country. 447 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 4: Stop giving them fifteen to twenty dollars a month to 448 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 4: tell us that X is Y and A is B. 449 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 4: Now is the time to press the advantage and really 450 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 4: lean into much better accurate sources of our information. 451 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: Well, it is interesting because Trump was really able to 452 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: bypass the media by using podcasts and like doing the 453 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: interview with like with Rogan, and then doing the interview 454 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: one acts with Elon, and so like, I think you 455 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: the media now sort of realizing like oh, like there 456 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: was like this anonymous TV exec in I think Newark 457 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: magazine that said, of Trump were to win, it would 458 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: mean the death of mainstream media. And so I think 459 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: you've got a lot of media now scrambling being like, Okay, 460 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: we can't lie to people like you know, like like 461 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: they're not buying what we're selling, right, I think American 462 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: like it's your point, you know. I think people are 463 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: kind of turning out out all this stuff because they're 464 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: realizing that, you know, we've been lied to and divided 465 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: for so long. 466 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 3: You know. 467 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: I think one thing that's been cool recently too is 468 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: just saying, like the culture shift, right because you know, 469 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: as we're talking about sort of you know in your 470 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: book as well, about just sort of like taking back 471 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: institutions and and and you know, building from the ground 472 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: up locally, and we've realized how important school boards are 473 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: as well, but like also just the culture, and you know, 474 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: we're sort of seeing those shifts you know, take place 475 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: as well, which I think is. 476 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: You know, is a very positive movement. 477 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, what you see is a re emergence of common sense. 478 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 4: Think about as part of the broader culture war, the 479 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 4: fight against transgender ideology, those of us who have been 480 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 4: fighting that from its early days in policy and politics, 481 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 4: spent the better part of the last decade sort of 482 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 4: on an island wondering when. 483 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 3: The politicians would wake up. 484 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 4: And none other than Donald Trump brought this to life 485 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 4: because of the work of many great people, Rightley Gains 486 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 4: cultural figures, you yourself, other media figures on the political 487 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 4: right who have been courageous enough at a time when 488 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 4: the legacy media and the Republican establishment didn't want you 489 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 4: to talk about this, but talking about it, and then ultimately, 490 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 4: if I can use this metaphor of fire, which I 491 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 4: try to use in the book as a regenerative tool, 492 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 4: you kept the fire alive, the fire of truth, to 493 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 4: the point that that was a deciding factor, the fact 494 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 4: that Donald Trump and JD fans said repeatedly that there 495 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 4: boys or boys and girls or girls, that in fact, 496 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: the presidential election was one because of stating biological reality. 497 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 4: That's where we are in this country, which is to say, 498 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 4: a very vocal minority have been abusing kids in particular, 499 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 4: but the large silent majority of Americans said enough is 500 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 4: enough and we want this fix. And I think that 501 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 4: is in microcosm, that issue, in microcosm is what we're 502 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 4: going to see in the near future and in the 503 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 4: midterm future for the United States if in fact, our 504 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,959 Speaker 4: leaders continue to be willing to reject what the legacy 505 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 4: media say. 506 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: Quick break, stay with us. What I've realized is that, 507 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: especially in the media, is if you stay firm and 508 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: you don't bend the knee, eventually everyone else will catch up. 509 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: It's like it's just dicey for like a short period 510 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: of time, and then but then the irony is that 511 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: the people who went along with like pronouns and transgender 512 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: stuff and all this nonsense after the fact will be like, 513 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I try to act like they always stood strong, 514 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm pretty sure you were like you know, 515 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: calling a man a woman, and you know, like going 516 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: along with it. 517 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: Like the same thing with like vaccines. 518 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: Like after the fact, you know, all these people like 519 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: went along with it, and then after the fact they're like, 520 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: oh yeah, what a terrible chapter. And you're like, well, dude, 521 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: you were like telling everyone to get vaccine. 522 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 2: You know, like where were you and it was you. 523 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: Know, when things were uh where things were dicey, and 524 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: you know it was a bad situation. But anyways, I digress. Well, 525 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: this sounds like, I love this book. 526 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: What do you hope before we go? What do you 527 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: hope people take away from it? 528 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 4: I hope they take real, substantive reasons to be hopeful 529 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 4: about the American future. By using this title Down's Early Light, 530 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 4: obviously referencing our national anthem, I want people to understand 531 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 4: there are reasons to be encouraged and inspired, especially given 532 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 4: the outcome of the election, but that it actually is 533 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 4: incumbent upon us. 534 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 3: This is the main lesson. 535 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 4: It isn't that politics and policy will be the answer. 536 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 4: It's that if, in fact, as Francis Scott Key did 537 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 4: two hundred ten years ago, believe that through the fog 538 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 4: of political war, we can see old glory again. 539 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: And I do believe we are. 540 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 4: That it's incumbent upon us if in fact we want 541 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 4: to take our country back, to do everything well, to 542 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 4: be great members of our community, great members of our family. 543 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 4: We're going into the long holiday season in the new year. 544 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 4: It's a great time to rekindle those relationships. That may 545 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 4: sound a little goofy Lisa, coming from the leader of 546 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 4: the largest conservative think tank in the world, but I 547 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 4: actually believe that's how we make our politics better, not 548 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 4: any less conservative. 549 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 3: You know me and Heritage, we. 550 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 4: Are unabashedly conservative and we will never rollover when it 551 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 4: comes to defending our founding principles and conservatism. But also 552 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 4: think that our Good Lord has given us this opportunity 553 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 4: to go down this path, and we ought to have 554 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 4: a spring in our step as we do it because 555 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 4: I think this is the beginning of a golden era 556 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 4: for this country. 557 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: I do too, and it's a great timing for the 558 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: book because I think we're in the best position we've 559 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: been in a very long time to take the country back, 560 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: and then you obviously outline ways we can do it. 561 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 2: And the path forward. 562 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: So Kevin Robert's always great to talk to you. Great 563 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: to have you on the show, and congratulations on the 564 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: book and happy Thanksgiving same to you. 565 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 3: Thank for having you. Yeah, thanks for everything you do, Lisa. 566 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: That was Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation and 567 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: author of the new book Down's Early Late, Taking Back 568 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: Washington to Save America. 569 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: Appreciate him for making the time. 570 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, 571 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. I want to 572 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: thank John, Cassie and my producer for putting the show 573 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: together until next time.