1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to move the Sticks. I'm Bucky Brooks, and today 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: unfortunately I'm flying solo. But we will hear from my 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: foreigner Daniel Jeremiah a little later. He is going to 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: join Ladania Thomason and they're gonna have an interview with 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: Keenan Allen that you hear later in the pod. But 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: I am going to talk about this Buddha Baker extension, 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna talk about it before we get to 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: an interview that I did with Steve Marucci and to Bill, like, 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: I don't want to bring up the Buddha Baker thing 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: because I think we have had conversations about safety position, 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: the value of the safety position and stuff, and because 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: you and I love to talk about personnel and stuff 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: like that. Um, I think it's important for you to 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: just kind of outline what did the Arizona Cardinals do 16 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: with Buddha Baker. I saw they signing to an extension, 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,279 Speaker 1: but give me the terms. So so the terms are 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: a four year, fifty nine million dollar extension. It's four 19 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: point seven five million average and it's thirty three point 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: one million guaranteed. Oh, that's a lot of money on 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: the deal. That's a lot of money. And I know 22 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: UM safeties are valued differently by different organizations based on 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: how they play in the scheme, But for Buddha Baker 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: to be the highest paid safety UM at fourteen point 25 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: seven five over Eddie Jackson and Kevin Byard and Ti 26 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: Run Matthew and Landon Collins to me to suggest what 27 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: I think is a changing of the tide at the position. 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: For so long, when we thought about safeties and the 29 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: safeties yet get paid, we focus primarily on their ability 30 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: to get the ball back, meaning the ability to get interceptions, uh, 31 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: to create some kind of uh takeaways for the defense. 32 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker has zero career interceptions, yet he's the highest 33 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: paid safety in the game. And I think what that 34 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: speaks to is the changing nature of the position UM. 35 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: A month ago or a couple of months ago, when 36 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: we the opportunity to interview Bill Polian, Bill Poleon made 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: reference to the safety position being one of the marquee 38 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: positions on defense, which was a little bit of surprise 39 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: because we've heard a lot of team builders talk about 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: UM building their teams, and they talk about corner over safety. 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: But as Mr Polian talked about the safety position, controlling 42 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: the middle of the field, being in the box, being 43 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: able to blitz, being able to tackle these mobile quarterbacks 44 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: when they get on the edge, running some of his 45 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: own red stuff, being able to do a lot of 46 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: different things has really increased the value. So as an 47 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: aspiring scout yourself, what do you think about when you 48 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: think about Buddha Baker and safeties that don't have turnovers 49 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: being getting paid like that. So the main reason I 50 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: thought that Buddha Baker got paid that much was he 51 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: had the most tackles in any dB. He had a 52 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: hunter reporting seven total tackles. So I went back and 53 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: watched some film on him. I thought he was a 54 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: very sound tackler. You know, they line him up all over. 55 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: He's in the box a lot, but he can also 56 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: play center fielder. He ran a four for five at 57 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: the at the combine too, so he's listed at five ten, 58 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: but he plays a lot more physical than that. Um 59 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: he has great first he can get to the quarterback, 60 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: but then he go. He's also really good against a run. 61 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: He's really explosive, so you know, I thought his closing 62 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: speed was very good. So I think that that had 63 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: a big part to do with you know, why they 64 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: paid him because they can also play him at nickel corner. 65 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: He's really versatile, and you know, I think it's gonna 66 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: fit really nice with Isaiah Simmons. You know, they have 67 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: a young corner and Byron Murphy. They have Patrick Peterson 68 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: still there, they have Jordan Hicks, they have a lot 69 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: of different pieces that he meshes well with. You know, 70 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: it's funny because you bring up something that I think 71 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: is important because the Isaiah Simmons in Buddha Baker pairing 72 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: is really important. Um DJ and I've talked about the 73 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: the trend of teams going to position list players, particularly 74 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: on defense, meaning that you have all of these hybrid 75 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: players that can line up in a bunch of different spots, 76 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: and as a defensive coordinator, your job is to kind 77 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: to maybe designate the role each week, Buddha Baker. Maybe 78 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: this week you're more of a nickel corner. The next week, 79 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: maybe you're in the box. This week, we may need 80 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: you more in the post. Those players there are coveted 81 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: and valued at a premium. I think Buddha Baker's pay 82 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: day signifies that but I also think it opens up 83 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 1: a lane for the guys like Jamal Adams, Derwin James 84 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: to now go to the top of the food chain 85 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to their pay days. And so I 86 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: think Buddha Baker made a lot of safeties very happy 87 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: because he kind of reset the market as it relates 88 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: to the guys that do most of their work in 89 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: the box and may not be those center field safeties 90 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: that were used to see and get paid. Yeah, I 91 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: definitely agree, uh. And I also want to ask you 92 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: what did you think of him when he was coming 93 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: out of Washington. Did you see these similar things that 94 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: you know you thought would translating to the league in 95 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, I like him a lot, like he was 96 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: very versatile. And if you go back and you look 97 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: at the Huskies, the Husky East secondary, their defensive backfield 98 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: has produced a lot of NFL players, UH from Marcus Peters, King, 99 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,679 Speaker 1: Uh Taylor Rap Buddha Baker. Those guys were well schooled 100 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: and well coached under Jimmy Lake, who was now the 101 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: head coach there. Going back to Buddha Baker, I knew 102 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker because when he showed up at the opening, UH, 103 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: he was a fantastic player. But to one of my teammates, 104 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: former all for a quarnerback, James Hasty, I think he 105 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: coached Buddha Baker in high school. I'm pretty sure he 106 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: coached them in high school, and Hasty equipped him with 107 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: a lot of tools very early in his career. They 108 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: were now seeing so his I Q, his aptitude, his 109 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: ability to play a bunch of different spots. It's because 110 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: he's been exposed to being able to play the game 111 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: the right way at a very early age. I think 112 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: this is a fascinating sign is one that I don't 113 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: know if many of us saw it coming, but I 114 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: think it speaks volumes to the changing role, the changing 115 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: job description of safety's and I think it validates with 116 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: Jamal Adams and Derwin James are going to want to 117 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: be paid based on what they do for their respective teams. 118 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: I agree with you on that, and I even when 119 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm going in watching safeties now, I'm not necessarily labeling 120 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: them as free safety or strong safety. I'm watching them 121 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: as Okay, how can you play in the box, how 122 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: can he play center field? How can he you know, 123 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: just be an overall piece to defense. So that's something 124 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: I look for two now. Yeah, having those guys that 125 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: can can do a bunch of different things, being able 126 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: to control the middle. Uh, most defensive coordinators would say 127 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: the way that you're able to win consistent in the 128 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,239 Speaker 1: national football leagues you have to be strong down the middle, 129 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: and so typically in old days and Mint gotta be 130 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: strong at my defensive tackles, strong at mic linebacker, and 131 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: strong e free safety. That um theory, that premise holds true. 132 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: And not only football, but in baseball you think about catcher, picture, middle, infenders, center, 133 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: center fielders. Basketball that used to be about the point 134 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: guard and the center has changed a little bit now, 135 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: but um, that old theories still holds true. And I 136 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: think Buddha Baker's signing certainly says that look. Defensive coordinators 137 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: understand and appreciate the value I having a marquee player, 138 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: and so Nobile we talked about safeties being the quarterback 139 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: of the defense. UM joining us on the program, we 140 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to talk to Steve Mariuchi, and part 141 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: of why we wanted to talk to him is he 142 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: is so experienced in dealing with quarterbacks and he has 143 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: taken that experience and really has success as a head coach, 144 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: but also being one of the best what I call 145 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: educators when it comes to the position. Um. So let's 146 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: listening to the conversation that I had with Steve Mariuchi. 147 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: All right now. This is one of the favorite UM 148 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: interviews that I'm going to do because I get the 149 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: interview one of my former coaches. Even though I was 150 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: a little minion when we were together with the Green 151 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: Bay Packers, I was down there kind of working with 152 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: the practice guys and all of that with Steve Mariuchi, 153 00:07:54,080 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: Um mooch were then the other That was the fun 154 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: time when we were still cutting our teeth. Uh. Coach, 155 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: like to think about that, to think about the coaching staff, 156 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: the one that you were on, John Grewden, Andy Reid, 157 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: you were there when Dick Geron and Ray Rose and 158 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: all those guys were there. Um before we started, just 159 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: just talk about that that crucible of talent coaching telling 160 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: and what you guys learned from one another and what 161 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: you ultimately learned from coach. We didn't know we were telling. 162 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: We just were young kids that were just happy to 163 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: get a job in the NFL. Is like, oh my god, 164 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: where are we? Uh huh? I remember the first night 165 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: we got we got hired, and there were some like 166 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: courtesy cars waiting for for us at the at the hotel, 167 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: and it was cold, and and somebody just dropped off 168 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: the cars for us, and the keys were in the car, 169 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: and the cars had their heaters on just so they'd 170 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: be nice and warm for us. And they're probably sitting 171 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: there for two hours getting warm for us with the 172 00:08:55,160 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: keys in them. That's green baby sconsin. Ever tell you 173 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: the first time I met Andy Reid, we're staying Did 174 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 1: you stay at the Midway motor Lodge? That was? Yeah, 175 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: the Midway that's where everyone stay coast, that's say that. Yeah, 176 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: So so we were we were both there just kind 177 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: of coming in and uh, and we had our wives 178 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: with us because it was a house hunting trip. I 179 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: didn't know he was there. He didn't know I was there, 180 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: but we know we got higher. But all of a 181 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: sudden at the Midway Motor Lodge, the fire alarm start 182 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: going off. It's like at midnight's like January midnight. You 183 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: just gotta I hope it's not a fire. It's probably not, 184 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: but you just wait for that alarm and goal anyway, 185 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: it wouldn't go off. So eventually I stuck my head 186 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: out the door and looked down the hall. There's this 187 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: big red head coming out of another door looking at me, 188 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: and he goes married Uchi. I went read and goes, yeah, 189 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 1: we went out and shook hands with We had our 190 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: underwear on, and then that's how we first met. My 191 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: wife's here too, let's have a meet, and that's how 192 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: we first met with a fire alarm or underwear. Because 193 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: that's a that's a great story. Or and I've heard 194 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: you till great stories about being um in those offices 195 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: with Gruden and Andy Reid and um, we all know 196 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: when you do Coach Hong Coach hongre loves quarterbacks. And 197 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: I think it's a common denominated that all of you 198 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: guys were able to go on and develop quarterbacks. What's 199 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: the secret sauce to developing quarterbacks whether they're young or oh, 200 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: find a quarterback that's got some talent. And I had 201 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: the dubious distinction of coaching Brett fav In the quarterback 202 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: and and and Mike Holmgren Bucky, as you know, had 203 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: come from San Francisco and he only had Steve Young 204 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: and Joe Montana so he was not spoiled and with 205 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: he didn't care if it was Brett or T. J. 206 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: Rubiley or whoever was playing, they better be great or 207 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: or that your quarterback coaches, but is is in trouble. 208 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: And so I got yelled at more than any any 209 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: ten coaches on that staff combined. Um. But he expected 210 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: he expected those guys to be Steve Young and Joe 211 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: Montana I like it tomorrow and so um, you know. 212 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: And Brett Farve was if he were a horse, he'd 213 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: be like a bunking broncho, bucking like a wild guy. 214 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know him when he came from the 215 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: Atlantic Red Shirt in Atlanta right through five passes. But 216 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: he was just as tough, funny, fearless kind of gun 217 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: slinger as you know. And he was not going to 218 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: be Joe Montana. He was not going to be a 219 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: pretty guy where you film them and then you you 220 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: do training tapes because he would to some things crazy. 221 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: But anyway, Mike Hombrend would uh would make sure that somehow, 222 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: some way with their skill sets they would be productive. 223 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: And uh, of course he did that with Brett and 224 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: a lot of others. You know, coach, so you talked 225 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: about that, Like, so you can talk about coach Holborn 226 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: being sport, but you were kind of spoiled too with 227 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks, did you to us? You talked about Brett 228 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: Farb And then you go to San Francisco and you 229 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: have Steve Young. Talk about that experience, because Steve Young 230 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: was a pretty decorated a player already you going there, 231 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: What was the terms of coaching someone that already has 232 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: some notable account conferences? Yes, good point, because um they have. 233 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: I got in trouble too when I was a young 234 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: coach at San Francisco, young head coach. They asked somebody 235 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: asked me to compare the two, just like you just did, Buck, 236 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: And I made the mistake of saying I tried to 237 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: complement both guys because I love both guys. All right, 238 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: I got pictured, Well, will I show you that picture 239 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: right there? Anyway? Um, I said, far as the toughest 240 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: guy in the world, you know, blah blah blah, and 241 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: Steve Young is the smartest guy. So then you know, 242 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: one guy goes, what, I'm not smart when the other 243 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: guy goes, what, I'm not tough, and so it's like 244 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: you can't win, right, But they were different human beings 245 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: different skill sets. One was right handed, one was left handed. 246 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: Right one was from Mississippi and one was from Connecticut. 247 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: And uh, but they were both tough as nails physically 248 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: and mentally. That's that's the thing. Because there's a lot 249 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: of different ways to play quarterback in this league. Um, 250 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: they're all a little different, but similarities. Uh were that 251 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: they just were driven. They're driven to be great. And uh, 252 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: Far was I'm sorry, Steve Farb was funnier than you were. 253 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: You're not a funny guy at all, but Far's crazy 254 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: and and Steve was the studious kind of guy that 255 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: would just be you know, he'd did butterflies before games. 256 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: I'd have to settle down well yet and uh, but 257 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: they had their own approach and it was fun. So 258 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: so coach, you mentioned something that I don't think many 259 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: people understand the challenges or differences between coaching a right 260 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: handed quarterback like you had and far and then coaching 261 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: the left hand the quarterback. When you're the hand coach 262 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: and the play caller, what's different about coaching a left 263 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: hand the quarterback. Yeah, that's Um, I don't know, I 264 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: don't know if it's if I've been blessed or cursed 265 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: with lefties around me. Okay, I don't know. My wife's 266 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: left handed, my mom's left handed, my daughter's left handed, 267 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: my brother's left hand, ended, everybody's left handed. I thought 268 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: there'd be fifty of the world left handed right handed. 269 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: Doesn't that make sense genetically? And then with quarterbacks, we 270 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: haven't had a guy in the league play left handed 271 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: quarterback in years. It's like, where all the left he's going? 272 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: I had Steve Young and then had Mark Burnell over 273 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: there in Green Bay when we were together, and it 274 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: is a challenge. In fact, when one one year after 275 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: the UH the season was over, I told Steve, I said, listen, 276 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: I want you to work on going right handed this offseason. Okay, 277 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: so I don't have to I don't have to flip 278 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: every play over just for you. And if your backup 279 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: is left handed, like like Burnell was, okay. You remember 280 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: when Farv was starting and then we had two backups. 281 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: We had Tied Hittmer and Mark Burnell. Loved them both, 282 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: I mean love these guys, and and we couldn't decide 283 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: who should be the backup and who should be the 284 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: third guy, who's who's inactive? So what we did, was 285 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: alternated just to keep them both happy, we alternated. But 286 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: that messes you up because when you're on the goal line, 287 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: you don't run past six or four youth corner quarterback, 288 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, one way, and then you've got to practice 289 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: the other way. For for the left handers that you 290 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: do sprint right option, sprint left option, you know, you 291 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: gotta flip your play action and movements and that's a 292 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: third of your package, maybe more. And you you simply 293 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: have to flip them over right and left if if 294 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: you're right handed or left handed. So um, it creates 295 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of a practice issue and for everybody, 296 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: not just for the quarterback. And so you know, the 297 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: ball spins different, it's different for the receive. It's just 298 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: like a left footed punter. Left footed punters are hard 299 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: to catch return punts and the fall spins wrong, and 300 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: so same with a quarterback throw on left hand, the 301 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: ball spins just the opposite way. Coaches, is funny that 302 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned that because from a play call in perspective, like, 303 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if people really understand that because most 304 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: play callers are right handed. Because you're a quarterback or 305 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: right handed meeting, you run the ball primarily to the right, 306 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: your primary fast catchers maybe on the right within and 307 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: a how you set your formations. Now with the lefty, 308 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: you have to completely flip that. So in your preparation process, 309 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: like how much how much does that linger, how much 310 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: that flee into how you build out your game fund 311 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: and those things with a left hand. Absolutely, it's it's 312 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: it's your game plan, it's your it's like I said, though, 313 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: it's it's not as much in the drop back passing game, 314 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: all right, when you go straight back, you ought to 315 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: be able to throw front side or backside, whether you're 316 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: right handed or left handed. Right, But it's the play 317 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: action game, and it's the movement and keep game. We 318 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: like I mentioned sprint right option. That's the famous player 319 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: that Joe Montana hit the way Clark in the back 320 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: of the end zone to beat the Cowboys. All right, 321 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: Jerry Rice scored thirty three touchdowns on sprint right option. Okay, 322 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: and far through the one in the Pro Bowl. But 323 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: you would only throw that to the right with Brett Farve, 324 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: and you would only throw it to the left with 325 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: Steve except one time Brett Farve audible old to Q 326 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: nine Q nine and Mike and left. He yelled at 327 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: me for about a half of that game as we 328 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: never practiced that just did it against the Broncos. It's like, breast, 329 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: what are you doing? I don't know? And so um 330 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: that's that's where the big differences in game planning is 331 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: is your play action movements and keeps you gotta you gotta. Yeah, 332 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: I'd be great that everybody can go right and left equally. 333 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: That's not the case though, No, that's not the case. 334 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: So it's funny you talk about those quarterbacks. Uh, you 335 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: have Brett when he was young and socause now that 336 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: we're dealing with a different offseason, a different training camp 337 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: because of the pandemic, you haven't had the full off 338 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: season to work. How challenging would it be to develop 339 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: a young quarterback Abrooki quarterback in situations like this? You know, 340 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,239 Speaker 1: I feel bad for his hack Taylor over there at 341 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: the Bengals because they've committed to Joe Burrow. Right, they 342 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: have a young pitching staff. They're all young, so it's 343 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: just pick your poison. They're all they're all kids, right, 344 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: and so you got to choose one of them. So 345 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: Joe is trying to play catch up and learn their 346 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: offense and learn about pro defenses on the run without 347 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: any mini camps or any o t s. We used 348 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: to have quarterback school in March. Players don't even think 349 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: about football in March. These days. The quarterbacks were in 350 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: for a full month before anybody else going over everything, 351 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: and the off season has been condensed, even if we 352 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: work in a pandemic. But but now the pandemic has 353 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: wiped out. I don't want to say all of it, 354 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: because they did some good stuff on the zoom calls. 355 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: They really did. They figured out a way to teach, 356 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: like universities and schools have to figure out a way 357 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: to teach. Is it perfect, No, but it's pretty good. 358 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: But the thing you miss is on the field. This 359 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 1: is a sport. It's a contact sport that requires you 360 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: to be on the grass and throw and run and 361 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: dry them up in the passing game with your teammates. 362 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: That was a dominated for the most part. But guys 363 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: like Toa and guys like Justin Herbert Jordan loves gonna 364 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: watch for a while. But um, they have the benefit 365 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: of saying, Okay, I don't have any pressure on me 366 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: right now to start day one. I can watch I 367 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: can see how this works. I can see how we 368 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: prepare and and even though they were good in college, 369 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: it's different. You know that, it's just different. Um. So 370 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Burrow has got a lot of pressure 371 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: on him to play well early. Really, I don't want 372 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 1: to say under prepared, but I'm gonna say under prepared. 373 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: He's not gonna be as good in September as he 374 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: is in November. Yeah, it's funny, uh, coach, because you 375 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: talked about Joe Burr and some of the things that 376 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: the Beings have talked about is maybe meeting him halfway 377 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: by using their playbook. UM. Ingreen Bay going back to 378 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: our time together with Mike program and what you learned 379 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: from him. I remember coach Hogreen always talking about he 380 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: wanted a quarterback who had athleticism. Well, now in today's game, 381 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: we're seeing more of these college quarterbacks that are great 382 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: athletes at the position. UM, based on your experience, how 383 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: would you change or would you change at all if 384 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: you had one of these young guys like a Kyla 385 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: Murray or Lamar Jackson when it comes to developing them 386 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: as hey, Buck, you know what Mooch did when he 387 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: played He ran the Wishbone in high school. Ran I'm 388 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: an option guy football, all right. So if I had 389 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: Steve Young at age eight and not thirty eight, I 390 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: would have had a lot of zone read stuff too, 391 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: because I think it's not only fascinating and fun, it's 392 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: so hard to stop and defend, especially when teams don't 393 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: see it every week. Okay, so yeah, these new athletic quarterbacks. 394 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: That's why the Patriots took Cam Newton because he adds 395 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: another dimension. You're he's replacing a six time Super Bowl 396 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: winner and Tom Brady, but he played from the pocket, 397 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: played pretty darn well. But now Cam has got all 398 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: this other stuff that teams will have to defend. It's 399 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: gonna keep defensive coordinators up up all night trying to 400 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: figure out how in the world do I play cover 401 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: two men. I can't because that guy's gonna start running 402 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: down the field and he's two or fifty pounds. I 403 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: can't tackle him. And so you know, the Lamar Jackson, 404 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: he might be the hardest guy to tackle in the 405 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: whole league in the open field. So that adds a 406 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: real fun to mention. It's college dimension. I would love 407 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: it now with that said. With that said, these guys. 408 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: They're hard to find and they're very valuable. So if 409 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: they get hurt, your mind, you're running the risk. I 410 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: would definitely have my whole I call it a pitching 411 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: staff earlier, my whole quarterback room like kind. I mean, 412 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: if if they're all, if they're if Lue's athletic, I 413 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: don't want to Joe Flacco as the backup because that's 414 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: a whole different offense, isn't it. I want to if 415 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: if Lamar Jackson gets hurt, I want, you know, whether 416 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: it's r G three or whoever that is to be 417 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: able to run the same offense, you know, and and 418 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: we're committed to that offense because they're gonna get hurt. 419 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: Cam eventually got hurt. He had the most hits in 420 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: the league in his first six years and eventually got hurt. 421 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: But that's the risk. You're You're gonna pay a guy 422 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: twenty thirty million dollars a year, and you got to 423 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 1: decide how much do I want to bang this guy up? 424 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: You know? It's um It is interesting because when we 425 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: look at Baltimore, Baltimore has taken your advice and kind 426 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: of followed that. Because r G three's a backup tradesman 427 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: srely is the three all of them are athletic enough 428 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: to do the things that they run on office. I 429 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: think it's funny that we're now talking about the shotgun 430 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: and we see the shotgun. It's the predominant office of 431 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: choice throughout the league. But when we were in Green 432 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: Bay together, Coach Homeland hated the shotgun. I was there 433 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: when we finally convinced him to put it in because 434 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: Brett wanted to be able to run it in two minutes. Um, 435 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: Why you know, why why did he hate it so much? 436 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: Why was this such a problem back Well, because they 437 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: tried it with Joe Montana in practice and the ball 438 00:22:53,600 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: went over his head. It was he never went in shotgun, okay, 439 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: never zero in shotgun, not in two minutes, not in 440 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: any minute, okay. So when we went to when we 441 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: went to Green Bay, the league was only going in 442 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: shotgun in a two minute drill, right and a definite 443 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: passing situation. Brett didn't go into shotgun for his first 444 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: eight years, right, I mean he was, he was the 445 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: m v P of the league before he went in 446 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: the shotgun. Now he told me, I said, far why 447 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: did you go shot it? Was after I left, way 448 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: after I left you, because because I went to San 449 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: Francisco and Steve never went shotgun. It wasn't until Jeff 450 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: Garcia started. He wanted to be in shotgun. Okay, fine, 451 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: you're anyway. Brett said, I had to get away from 452 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: Sap because that Tampa, that Tampa defense was really good. 453 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: Remember remember Apper, He's fighting and chawing at each other 454 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: and they had a great mutual respect. But he says, 455 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: I gotta get away from that guy. I gotta back 456 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 1: up a little bit. Just give me another Just give 457 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: me another tick with the ball so I can get 458 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: rid of it. So he can. He's gonna at me, 459 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: but I want to get the ball out, and uh 460 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: so I think in the year eight Brett start going 461 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of shotgun. Now the league is over 462 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: sixty shotgun right now, which is like what it's um. 463 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: You evaluate, you know, for the draft. You evaluate these 464 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: kids coming out of high school and college. They're not 465 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: an IF formation, they're not split backs. They're in a 466 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: one back set there either in pistol or standing right 467 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: next to the quarterback and shotgun and the run game 468 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: repertoire is very limited. It will run power encounter and lead, 469 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: you know, all those things they run. They run you know, 470 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: trap and a little one back power and that's it, 471 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: you know, given, given that, because in the evaluation process, 472 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 1: a lot of the conversation is always a they've been 473 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: a shotgun, guys haven't been on the center. Have to 474 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: teach him. How hard is it to teach a quarterback? 475 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: We spent most of his uh playing days in the 476 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: shotgun to go up on the center and to play 477 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: what I call a traditional quarterback. Yeah, uh, it's like 478 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: anything else. You gotta practice it, you know. I mean, 479 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: even even back then when we were under center every 480 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: single snap, quarterbacks and centers were out early taking snaps 481 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: from center just so you didn't drop one right and 482 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: stop the practice and get yelled at um. And then 483 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: now you're getting guys who have never done it before. 484 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: Even growing up in the in the Pop Warner leagues, 485 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: I coached the under arm or All American High School game, 486 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: and we had to literally throw away going under the center. 487 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 1: It's not like the Pro Bowl. It's like, all right, 488 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna run two formations and it's gonna be all shotgun. 489 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: We're never gonna even in We're not going under there 490 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: because you're gonna fumble the snap because the center never 491 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: snap one either. And so it's just becoming a shotgun 492 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: kind of a game. And uh, which is fortunate or unfortunate. 493 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: It's it's the game's change, Buck, it just really has. 494 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: And you know, the NFL takes what's coming to us. 495 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: It's it's take. You know, we draft who's available. And 496 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: these kids coming out of these programs have been doing 497 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: this all of their life. So we're becoming a little 498 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: more and more like the colleges and a little more 499 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: like the high schools. It's funny that you say that, 500 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: because then when I look at the teams that are 501 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: having the most success when it comes to running the 502 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: football and sometimes create an explosive foot the San Francisco 503 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: forty nine is the Minnesota Vikings teams that are running 504 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: what they would say is the Shanahan system. What you 505 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: and I would say is, oh, that's things that we 506 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: used to do in Green Bay. Why is it that 507 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: those teams that are kind of playing what I call 508 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: old school football with the outside zone under center play actions, 509 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: why does it seem like they have advantages in terms 510 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: of creating good place? Yeah? Um, and the rams like 511 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: to run the ball and play action pass and and 512 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: so I'm I'm just hoping that that stays in the 513 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: in our league because half the teams but don't even 514 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: have a fullback. Fullback is like a dinosaur. It's like 515 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: they're gone. I mean, where'd they go? And so some 516 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: teams are taking defensive linemen and you just play fullback 517 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: here and block that guy. Um so right, there's a 518 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: certain kind of old school mindset that we say, hey, 519 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: let's be physical and not not just fool him. Let's 520 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: just smash the mouth him, let's just run him over. 521 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: Let's help our defense by controlling the clock. You know, 522 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: those kinds of things. There's a lot of good that 523 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: comes from the other thing is when you have I 524 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: know this in college too, when you have a good, 525 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: hard nosed, physical offense, your defense gets hardened and gets better. 526 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 1: By practicing against it in spring ball and everything, you're 527 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: better able to stop that kind of an offense when 528 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: you when you face it. David Shaw has had all 529 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: kinds of success, you know, running the football over there 530 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: at Stanford because he's he's old school that way. And 531 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: uh in Seattle, and there's just some teams that just 532 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: are committed that way. Some are. You know, Cliff Kingsbury 533 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: over there, he brought that Texas Tech offense over there 534 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: with Kyler Murray and they're gonna run college stuff. You know, 535 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: God bless him and and and he's doing a good job. 536 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: But some teams are gonna say, hey, I want to 537 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: fall back, and I want to block you, and I 538 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: want to I want to make a statement. I love that. Alright, go, 539 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: So you brought me to my last question. You kind 540 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: of brought it. You teet it up for me with 541 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, Um, the reforests out of Arizona. He's talking 542 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: about playing with more tempo in practice, more tempo potentially 543 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: in games given the shortened preseason. Is it hadvantang just 544 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 1: to maybe think about playing a little faster. Do you 545 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: think you can create um big play opportunities on offense 546 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: by really playing fast early in the season, giving a pandemic? 547 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: You know that sounds like a Chip Kelly offense. Remember 548 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: that tempo stuff and no huddle, baboom baboom, and go 549 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: fast and don't let your defense kind of make all 550 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: their fancy calls and all these exotic blitzes and coverages 551 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: and there there was even some teams that were saying, 552 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: we're not gonna huddle. We're not gonna huddle in practice 553 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: because we don't want to breathe on each other, and 554 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: so we're just gonna go. We're just gonna go fast tempo, 555 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: no huddle. Um. You get more plays in in the practice, right, 556 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: you get more plays in in the game. You kind 557 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: of minimize what defensive calls can be made when you're 558 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: when you're going over the ball quickly. Um. So there's 559 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: some there's some good to it. Um. I've always liked 560 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: the huddle, always liked the quarterback look at these guys 561 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: in the eyes and tell them let's get out of 562 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: bounds now, we've got to save the time out, you 563 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: know that kind of thing when you that's that's another 564 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: thing that we've learned with these college quarterbacks coming up, Buck. 565 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: Some of them have never been in the huddle. They 566 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: always look at the sideline and go, oh yeah, thanks 567 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: for the play, and then everybody runs it. And they've 568 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: never developed any leadership skills like telling their team let's 569 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: go and and you know, reminding their guys, all right, Kenny, 570 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: penalty's got to hang on the ball, you know, I'll 571 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: keep the clock run. Whatever that is. UM, they have 572 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: to learn it on the run. UM. So let's just 573 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: enjoy the game where it's headed, it's headed and shotgun 574 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: college like, and let's also enjoy those old school smash 575 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: mouth teams that are still around and having really good success. Well, 576 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: one thing that I know is I always enjoy having 577 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: a conversation with you, whether it's on the podcast or 578 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: when we being in the locker room. It's always great. 579 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: It's always enlightening. Uh, thanks so much for coming on 580 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: the podcast. All right, Bucky, thanks for having me on 581 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: a great where they had. Uh. I rarely get opportunities 582 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: to talk to much about football related things, but I 583 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: think his perspective is fascinating. I think what he talked 584 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: about with UM quarterbacks and young quarterbacks and Joe Burrow 585 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: not having an off season and how do you get 586 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: someone ready to play who was going to be underprepared. 587 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: I think that is going to be the theme of 588 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: the early part of the season. Joe Burrow, some of 589 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: these young quarterbacks that are being asked to play, even 590 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: Cam Newton being asked to potentially start. How are these 591 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: guys going to be able to get ready quickly to 592 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: transition into being starting quarterbacks when you don't have that. 593 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: It is something that we certainly should look for early 594 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: in the season to see how these guys respond to 595 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: not being able to have um a full preseason or 596 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: full offseason to work. But we also will have more 597 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: about mooches come station when we discuss left ended quarterbacks 598 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: on a future audio podcast and video content with guests 599 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: like Michael Vick, Chris Collinsworth, and Mark Renell. It is 600 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: really a deep dive into the left handers at the 601 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: position and how it impacts all of those around them 602 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: that are playing with left ended quarterbacks. And it can't 603 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: be an official Move the Sticks podcast without Move the Sticks. 604 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah, so DJ and LT Hall of Famer Ladani 605 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: and Thompson had a chance to talk to Keenan Allen 606 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: Chargers Pro Bowl wide receiver on a recent inside training 607 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: camp block. It's great to be with you, Kennan, thanks 608 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: for joining us. Man. First question from me, this is 609 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: season number eight, but this is an off season unlike 610 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: any you've had in your NFL career. How how do 611 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: you How does the body feel right now? It actually 612 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: feels a lot better than than usual. Um, just a 613 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: little bit more time we've had in training camp. Um, 614 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 1: it's not being able to go go as hard as 615 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: we use tool because because of the time, we want 616 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: to keep away from each other. So UM, I think 617 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: it allows you to get off your feet more. And UM, 618 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, just hey, Kenny, we just saw a clip 619 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: from Hard Knocks of Derwin James covering you are trying 620 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: to cover you. I'm sure that's been It's been like 621 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: that the entire training camp, especially with with this defensive 622 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: secondary that you guys have. You brought over Chris Harris Jr. 623 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: Um to go with Casey Hayward and those guys at 624 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: the safety position. As I just mentioned, Man, how's it 625 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: like going against this secondary every day? The secondary is amazing, man, 626 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: And uh what helps him out so much is the 627 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: guys on the defensive line picking up limball Joseph has 628 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: just been amazing. They're just wrecking, wrecking practice pretty much 629 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: THEMN there every period and uh, you know, the secondary 630 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: is just gonna feed off of that and make plays 631 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: and that's what they do to jack boys ball, getting 632 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: up in the area and it's all there. So boy's 633 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: gonna be good. Kenyan, you caught five balls in your career, 634 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: which is a crazy number, and five hundred twenty of 635 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: those have come from Philip Rivers. So things are a 636 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: little bit different out what the charges? What? What? What 637 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: has it been like with you trying to get get 638 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: on the same page here with ty Roddy hasn't been bad. 639 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: All off season. We was working, um, you know, just 640 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: finding fields, finding places we can go just to get 641 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: catches in run route. So the chemistry has been building 642 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: and UM, I think we've been on a good start, 643 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: uh just so far in training camp. Um, you know, 644 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: so hopefully we can just keep it going on right on, 645 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: right on to the season. Yeah, but you you didn't 646 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: have major production every single year that that you have 647 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: been on the field, and you've done it all kinds 648 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: of ways from the outside from the inside. It really 649 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You're slaying people out there now. With that 650 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: said Kennan, UM, I know you lost Travis Benjamin who 651 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: played a lot in the slot at times. Is there 652 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: anybody in camp right now that's emerging, um, to help 653 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: you inside the slot? We know what you have outside, 654 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: but inside, is there anybody emerging to help you out? Yeah? 655 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: I think so. Um. The first k J. Hills came 656 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: in and he's been amazing his route running. You can 657 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: just tell he's been with UM a very elevated college team. 658 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: They had Brian hartlined as a receiver coach, So just 659 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: his techniques and his his thought process is already you 660 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: know there. And Darius Jennings we brought over from the Titans. 661 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: He's been running the slot as well, but with the 662 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 1: two so he's been looking pretty good too. And he's 663 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, he's got to speed. So yeah, k J. 664 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: Hill was a phenomenal route runner there at Ohio State. Kenan, 665 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: I'm just curious though, as a rookie, you got some 666 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: other rookies there. I know you like your lemon cake. Man, 667 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: are they are these rookies taking care of you and 668 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: bringing you your snacks properly and giving you what you need? Man, Now, 669 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 1: we haven't even got on them yet. You do to COVID, 670 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: So we go let it ride all the way by 671 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: another week week and to heaven, then we need major snacks, 672 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: so many snacks that we need. Well, well, who's the 673 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: who's the best rookie in terms of doing what you 674 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: guys are telling them to do. Who's gonna be that guy? 675 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: That every week has to bring the snacks. That's gonna 676 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: do the right job. It's definitely gonna be kJ. You know, 677 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: we gotta stay on early, get on kJ early. Just 678 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: work on the techniques. You know we need. We need 679 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: this right here, this right here set it up real 680 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: nice for us. So we ain't gotta go searching and 681 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: looking through the piles of stuff to put everything in 682 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: categorize sections. So should be good. Hey, Kennan, when when 683 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: we talk to people around the league and shooting. When 684 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: I talked to guys because they're coming into the draft, 685 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: I asked him who they're studying for route running? Your 686 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: name comes up all the time. You've got a reputations 687 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: the best route unner National Football League. But who do 688 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: you look at? Who do you who do you like 689 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: to study when you get some time during the off 690 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: season that that you can appreciate absolutely, Um Davante Adams 691 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: number one. UM. I like Amark Cooper. I watched him 692 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: a lot of Stefan digs, Adam Stealing, Um Cold Beasley, Uh, 693 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: Julian Edelman and slot h. I got so many guys, 694 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: Uh know how I used to watch um like earlier, 695 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: earlier in my career Brandon Lloyd phenomenal technique releases and 696 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Stevie Johnson, obviously it's my guy, and yeah, 697 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: pretty much down hey Keenan. A lot has been made 698 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: about Tyro Taylor's ability to throw the ball down the field, 699 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of people, you know, say that he's 700 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: more conservative, obviously more conservative than fill up um. But 701 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: I believe ty Rock can throw the ball down the field, 702 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: So tell me will he'd be stretching the ball down 703 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: the field a lot more because you guys definitely have 704 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: the weapons to go down the field. Absolutely, And me me, honestly, 705 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,399 Speaker 1: I think that's his best ball. The d ball um 706 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: is go routing just on on money every time. Makes 707 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: me look like I'm fast when he throws me a 708 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: go ball, So I think that's his best ball. And yeah, 709 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: he's a few turnover guy. He doesn't like to turn 710 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: the ball over, which is not a problem, especially when 711 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: he can run and get yards by myself. So hopefully 712 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: he can just you know, stay consistent and make his plays. Well. 713 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: I just want to, you know, because as a player 714 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: in that division, the n f C West, when you 715 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: see the Kansas City Chiefs, when the Super Bowl, when 716 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: you guys have have gave them fits. Um, since you've 717 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: been there, How does that make you feel when you 718 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,839 Speaker 1: know you guys are a team that can beat them? Um? 719 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 1: Oh no, man, I feel like we're in the game 720 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: all the time. Um, I feel like we should beat 721 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: them every time. And I don't know. I just think 722 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: it comes down a little turnovers, little mistakes, UM, during 723 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 1: crucial points in time. It seems like every year something 724 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,760 Speaker 1: on special teams happens, um that shouldn't happen. And um, offense, 725 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: we do a turnover or something like that. But you know, 726 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: I think if we just you know, stay consistent and 727 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 1: make our plays and don't shoot ourselves in the foot, 728 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: and you know, be that championship team that they were, 729 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: and we should be good. Our last question for me 730 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: kenan the two parter here. I don't remember what kind 731 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: of success Cal had against Oregon when you were there, 732 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: so you have to refresh me on that and then 733 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: give me your scouting report on your new quarterback from Oregon. Well, 734 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't think we had any success. You know, when 735 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: I was we didn't beat him at all. So uh, yeah, 736 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 1: that was that was a whole story. But he looked 737 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: very well. Man, very well polished, big guy can throw 738 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: the ball down the field. You can pretty much make 739 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: anything you want them to. Like, I say, his knowledge 740 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: for the game as well. Um you said, he's just 741 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: trying to pick up at the speeds and um and 742 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: the and the angles of everything, and that will come 743 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: with reputation and um trial and error obviously, that's that's 744 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: that's one of my best ways of learning, trial and error. 745 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: And you know he'll he'll fit in well with us. 746 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: Interesting conversation. You have to love it. Like, if you 747 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 1: want Chargers information, it doesn't get better than DJ and 748 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: LT being able to talk to you. One of the 749 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: best players on the team a Keenan Allen and out 750 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: of that discussion, Look, I have to be intrigued by 751 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert they took early in the first round. 752 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: What is his development being, Like, how is he going 753 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: to play? I think it's interesting to watch him and 754 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: to watch what he's going to be. Even though we've 755 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: heard that Tyrod Taylor is going to be the starting quarterback. 756 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 1: We'll see how long the Charges stick with that premise. 757 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,760 Speaker 1: Inspired by ongoing conversation with players, the NFL launched NFL 758 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 1: Votes to empower and improve our communities through exercising the 759 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: right to vote. Join the NFL family by registering to 760 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: vote today and make your voice heard this November. Visit 761 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,719 Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash votes to learn more. All right, before, 762 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: before we go in the bill, I gotta bring you 763 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: back because I know you're one of hard Knocks his 764 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: biggest fans. What was your take on the episode this week? Well, 765 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: you know, there's not many chances you get to see, 766 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, football right now with with training camps and everything. 767 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: And I'm a big training camp guy, so I'm eating 768 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: it up, you know. I just love everything everything training 769 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: camp related. Yeah, I thought it was great about Uh 770 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 1: this week was Man, we got a chance to see 771 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: so far stadium. Man, this stadium looks amazing. The way 772 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,320 Speaker 1: the rams were able to go in there kind of 773 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: have I guess, like a little mock run through game 774 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: where they were going through the simulations going on and 775 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: off the field, making sure they did the halftime stuff. 776 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: I think that stadium, even without the fans, Man, it 777 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 1: is a site to behold and so um just a 778 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: really really interesting part of it. And then on the 779 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: other side, just the charges, the charges ramping up to 780 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: play Melvin Ingram kind of getting things done in his 781 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: contract that enabled him to get back on the field. 782 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 1: Watching the way Anthony Lynn is able to run this team. Uh, 783 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: contrasting coaching styles between Sean McVeigh and Anthony Lynn. But 784 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: I would say both are very effective, and I think 785 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: the thing about both guys, they're really sticklers for details. 786 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn even taking I got that we brought them 787 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: the program. Keenan Allen talking about his blocking skills and 788 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 1: how it really sets the tone for the offense. UM. 789 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 1: I think that's something. I think it speaks volumes about 790 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,959 Speaker 1: the high standards that both of these coaches, particularly Anthony Lynn, 791 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: has for this team. Check out the Hard Knocks podcast 792 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: as hosted about Peter Schreeger. Also a new episode of 793 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: Hard Knocks the TV show as every Tuesday at ten 794 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,439 Speaker 1: pm Eastern on HBO. So, look, man, that was it? No, Bill, 795 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: I appreciate you filling in for dj UM. You're not 796 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: quite my partner, but you did a good job as 797 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: a sub. I don't know if you replaced Rhetz as PPU, 798 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: but maybe, maybe, just maybe we'll give you more reps 799 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: and maybe you can kind of take that from Rhett 800 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,920 Speaker 1: but look, thanks for listening to move to six. We'll 801 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: check you out next time, ye