1 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Affne, the program 2 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: that's a kind of an owner's manual for protecting the 3 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: country we love against all enemies foreign and domestic, to 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: the glory of God and his kingdom. We're going to 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: be talking about what is arguably the greatest threat we 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: face at this moment, which arises from the Iranian regime, 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: what it is still capable of doing, and whether it 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: will have the opportunity to do the harm that it 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: seeks to not only Israel but to us. Before we 10 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: get to our first guest to talk about all of 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: that in detail, I wanted to give you some preliminary 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: thoughts of my own. President Trump abruptly left the G 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: seven meeting to work on the conflict between Israel and 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: Iran's mullas. Thankfully, he has explicitly said it's not to 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: pursue a ceasefire whose practical effect would be to deny 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: the decisive victory israel security and ours requires. Instead, mister 17 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Trump has said he's working on something bigger and that 18 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: he wants a real end to the Iranian nuclear threat, 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: meaning Tehran giving up entirely. Our SUPERB emergency briefing yesterday 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: showed why the Iranian regime is committed to our destruction, 21 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: not just Israel's. It's compelled by faith to lie in 22 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: any negotiation, and it'll use anything short of complete defeat 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: to regroup, rearm, and resume its war on Judeo Christian civilization. 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: Afraid the Trump team and you will go to Victory 25 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: the Victory Coalition's website victoryco dot org to see why 26 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: there is really no substitute for the decisive victory. Let's 27 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: turn to doctor David Wormser to explore why that is so. 28 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: This is a moment of truth for I believe our 29 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: country as well as of course for Israel. It is 30 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: a time of choosing, and I'm anxious to get David's 31 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: sense of the lay of the land in terms of 32 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: this campaign to destroy yes Iran's nuclear capabilities and the 33 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: means of delivering them, but also the necessary step of 34 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: destroying the mullahocracy that has brought us to this pass 35 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: as well, and whether we are going to help Israel 36 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: do that. David Wormser is a man of great experience 37 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: in these matters, having not only studied them closely, but 38 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: having been a national security practitioner at the highest levels 39 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: of our government, a naval intelligence officer, among other things, 40 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: but also an advisor on the Middle East, to an 41 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: under Secretary of State, the National Security Advisor, and the 42 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: Vice President of the United States. These days, the senior 43 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: analyst and director for mid these programs at the Center 44 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: for Security Policy, David warns, are welcome back. It's so 45 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: good to have you, my friend. 46 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in Rome, I was on my way to Israel. 47 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: In two hours from landing in Tel Aviv. They turned 48 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: the plane around and landed us in Rome in an emergency, 49 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: which subsequently became the war we're talking about. 50 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: Yes, that war is quite far advanced, considering it's only 51 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: been I guess five days or so. Give us a 52 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: current situation report if you were doing an intelligence brief, 53 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: how do you see the war at the moment, not 54 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: just tactically, but in terms of the grand strategy that 55 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: is playing out. 56 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: Before Sure, the very first waves of Israeli actions were 57 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: focused mostly on several targets, or several categories of target. 58 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: It's the first one was the command and control structure 59 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: of the Iranian regime. To confuse them and paralyze them 60 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: and preempt them, and to essentially keep them from being 61 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: able to respond effectively to the next things that Israel 62 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: was going to do. The second batch of things were 63 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: the most critical and easiest nuclear targets, nuclear program targets, 64 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: so that Iran cannot very quickly cobble together something of 65 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: a bomb, even a dirty bomb, but to begin to 66 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: take out as much of that as possible. It's quick 67 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: at the beginning. And then the third, which was the 68 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: most critical, was to Israel had the ability to take 69 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: to get air penetration and to reach wherever they needed 70 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: to reach, but they needed to clean out the Iranian 71 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: airspace of Iranian anti aircraft, but also early warning all 72 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: sorts of radars and so forth, so that they can 73 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: maintain not only complete dominance and fly just about any 74 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: aircraft they want over Iran without any worry of being 75 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: shot down, but also to blind the Iranian regime to 76 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 2: what's coming. An early warning radar can't shoot anything down, 77 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: it's not connected to a shooting down structure, but it 78 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 2: is something that can alert Krameni that the Israelis are 79 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: coming to bomb's bunker. So they That was the first 80 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: day or two of the operation that was expected to 81 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: take a week, and apparently it took a little over 82 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 2: a day, so it was a tremendous success, far more 83 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,239 Speaker 2: than they thought, which led to the next batch, which 84 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 2: is to really go after the missile launchers, because of 85 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 2: course that's what is shutting Israel down, is isolating Israel 86 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: from the rest of the world by having its airspace 87 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 2: shut down. The Israeli economy is completely shut down. So 88 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: as a result, the missiles became the next critical thing 89 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: to deal with to essentially bring Israel back to normalcy 90 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 2: internally so they can sustain this war over weeks will 91 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: Iran cannot uh. And then also to continue the regime 92 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: command and control structure. And then eventually they were going 93 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: to intend to circle back and finish the tough targets 94 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: on the nuclear side and the tough targets on the 95 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: missile side UH. And again all this is proceeding much 96 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: faster than what they had expected. 97 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: UH. 98 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: And the further the missiles go away, the more the 99 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: Israelis are able to function normally also in terms of 100 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: attacking Iran, and and so now what you're getting is 101 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: the most aggressive waves of attacks against the nuclear program. 102 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 3: Again and so forth. 103 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: Now in the last two days, this has also opened 104 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 2: up the Iranian regime and the Iranian regime stability. We 105 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: are seeing very clear signs that the Iranian regime is 106 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: becoming desperate. That despair now has turned into signs of 107 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: loss of control and even quite frankly teetering. So that's 108 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: what we are and that now becomes not the intended objective, 109 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: but a very useful byproduct that you don't want to 110 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: shut down at this. 111 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: Point, David, I want to clarify that because there has 112 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: been talk from the get go that it was an 113 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: intended objective to end this regime, and frankly, as you know, 114 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: I have believed and I think you too, that anything 115 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: short of that was just, you know, an invitation to 116 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: more of the same over time maybe and certainly more 117 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: of the horrific repression of the people of Iran, who 118 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: are our natural allies in this particular long running bar 119 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: Was it actually a priority for the Natannellhu government or 120 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: wasn't it? And if it's not, is it now in 121 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: your estimation in reach? 122 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: I think that it was an intended byproduct. It wasn't 123 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: the absolute most important thing. The most important thing was 124 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: to gain air superiority shut down the missile threat so 125 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: that Israel doesn't suffer under these missiles much longer and 126 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 2: keep losing people, and then that opens the door for 127 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: the nuclear issue, which was of course the highest level, 128 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: along with the fundamental industrial structure. 129 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 3: Behind the missile systems. 130 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 2: So that was the highest level. But there was definitely 131 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 2: an awareness that the regime could be destabilized, and they 132 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: were perfectly happy to do operations that were intended to 133 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 2: create that that in fact targets that didn't make sense 134 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: other than through that. 135 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: So I think it was something that they. 136 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: Didn't there wish for, but they did work for, and 137 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: they didn't had to work for. 138 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: And really to that point, David, President Prime Minister that's 139 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: in Yahoo did say in several explicit appeals to the 140 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: Iranian people to move on this opportunity to liberate themselves. 141 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: And again, however you characterize that as a as a 142 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: war aim, it certainly has to be and hopefully is 143 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: going to be the outcome. David, we have to take 144 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: a short break. We'll come back and assess where that 145 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: stands and and and the reason that all of this 146 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: had to take place. Now, stay tuned, be right back, 147 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back, and welcome once again to doctor David wormser 148 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: joining us from Rome. Doctor, we are looking at an 149 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: evolving and dynamic situation. I think your assessment and the 150 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: first block is that it is going rather better than 151 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: might have been the case. Thanks be to God for that. 152 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: Two questions arise. One is there seems to be some 153 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: confusion about how imminent the threat of a nuclear capability 154 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: in Iran was, and some are suggesting that this was 155 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: all just kind of wag the dog exercise by Bbnohu 156 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: because of his internal political concerns. Could you clarify the 157 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: cause that precipitate this and whether it's anything other than 158 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: strategic in character. 159 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: Sure, let me start backwards forwards the tail wagging the dog, 160 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: in other words, that the idea that the war is 161 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: to continue BB's political career. 162 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 3: We heard this with Gaza too. 163 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: The only problem is that most people in Israel, first 164 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: of all with Gaza, were frustrated that the war wasn't 165 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: going more aggressively, not less. It's not BB's war now 166 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: as far as Iran goes. If it is really the 167 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: tail wagging the dog or a sort of an attempt 168 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 2: to save his government, you'd think the Israeli opposition would 169 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 2: be the loudest in condemning it. But you see these 170 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: voices who are saying this, none of them are Israeli. 171 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: Not even the left in Israel is criticizing Bbe. The opposite. 172 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: They were first of all saying criticizing him for not 173 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: doing it in the weeks leading up to it, and 174 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: second of all they were they are now one hundred 175 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: percent behind him. 176 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: There was a very good picture. 177 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: This morning of Israel with it's one of its most 178 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: left leaning opposition parties hugging and really a warm meeting 179 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: between him and the Prime Minister to express solidarity over 180 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 2: what they're doing. This is a wall to wall consensus 181 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: in Israel. There's no Israeli who thinks this was unnecessary. 182 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 3: As far as the. 183 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: Timing goes, I'm not sure what the Prime Minister said, 184 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: and he might have misspoken saying months instead of days. 185 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 3: But we know from the IAEA, we know. 186 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: From other Israeli government statements, we know from French statements, 187 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 2: and we know from reports of certain activities that the 188 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: Israelis that the Iranians were potentially days or single weeks 189 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 2: away from a nuclear device they had detected. The IAEA, 190 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: which is no pro Israeli organization or part of the 191 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 2: UN The IAEA had detected is Iranian implosion technologies being 192 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: loaded into structures which are basically devices, and that's the 193 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: weaponization structure. The certain types of metal and metallurgy and 194 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 2: so forth that was being employed were really final steps 195 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: of the weaponization. And they had had sixty percent uranium, 196 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: which can be by the way, weaponized, not efficiently, but 197 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: it can be weaponized. 198 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 3: And they were literally. 199 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 2: Between seven and twelve days away from taking that and 200 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: turning it into ninety percent. The estimate was within the 201 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: first four to six days they could turn one twenty 202 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 2: five kilogram bomb around and then it would take another 203 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 2: week or two to turn another nine. So Iran was 204 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 2: about three or so weeks two three weeks away from 205 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: a weaponized nuclear arsenal, not just bomb. 206 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: So, David, you have a background, as I mentioned in 207 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: Naval Intelligence. One of the things that people who are 208 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: caviling about the president's apparent support, strong support for Israel 209 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: and all of this, and I want to come back 210 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 1: to that in a moment, have pointed to as belying 211 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: all of this is a statement that was made by 212 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: Tulsea Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, very shortly after 213 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: she took office, obviously prepared by the you know, the 214 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: holdovers of the Biden administration, but nonetheless presented by her 215 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: to Congress in March, she said, there, you know, the 216 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: consensus of the intelligence community of the United States is 217 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: there is no nuclear weapons program in Iran, and they 218 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: gave it up effectively and haven't restarted it since two 219 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: thousand and three. 220 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: Your thoughts, well, that national intelligence estement from literally almost 221 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: two decades ago, that this is based on what was 222 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: a lie to begin with, because we knew at the time, 223 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: and the IAA and others had said at the time 224 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: that there were nuclear activities that were weaponization activities. Then 225 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: the Obama administration came in and they put everything on 226 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 2: this nuclear fatwah that said, well, it's not Islamic to 227 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: develop Obama and they put so much emphasis on this 228 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,119 Speaker 2: except the fact is that fatwa never existed. 229 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: It never was, or it wouldn't be true if it did. 230 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: The Iranians were very clever. They sort of got their 231 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: agents to feel this idea that there was a fatwa, 232 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: and then they never corrected the impression. They never said 233 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: there wasn't a fat there was a fatwa. They simply 234 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: never corrected the impression. So Iran all along has been 235 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: developing a bomb. We know that from the archives, the 236 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: nuclear archives that Israel had. So the Tulsi Gabbard issue, 237 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: what it is is really the problem here, which is 238 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: the intelligence community is part of the establishment, the Washington Swamp, 239 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: the establishment, whatever we want to call it, that is 240 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: trying to sabotage the mega agenda, the America First Agenda, 241 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: to make America Great agenda, the America Proud and toll 242 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: of Reagan agenda that this administration is representing. And part 243 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: of this has been the very establishment view that Iran 244 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: has to be negotiated with. It's not really our enemy, 245 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: it's all rhetoric. They're sort of moderates and hardliners and 246 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: so forth. And that community is what defined Tulci Gabbert 247 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: in the first weeks, because she has no staff and 248 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: she did not know enough. 249 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: About the intelligence to know that. 250 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 2: She can't question she must question this. What they were 251 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: handing her was something to handcuff her, not a genuine 252 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: intelligence assessment. 253 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: It seems to have had that effect, and this needs 254 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: to be clarified and fixed. David, let me take the 255 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: last couple of minutes. We have with you quickly to 256 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: assess where Donald Trump is in all of this. As 257 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: I say, he's being in or tuned to try to 258 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: essentially stop Israel from achieving the decisive victory that seems 259 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: to be in the offing. What's your assessment, sir. 260 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: I think Donald Trump, deep down is where he's always been. 261 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 2: He knows that an Iranian nuclear device is the end 262 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 2: of America first in the region. It's the end of 263 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 2: America great in the region. It is a catastrophic defeat 264 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: and retreat of the United States if that happens. It 265 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: also is a grave threat to Israel's existence, which is 266 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 2: central to American power in the region as well. So 267 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: he understands that this cannot be allowed to happen. He 268 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: said this in twenty seventeen. He's doing it now, so 269 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 2: I think he's in the right place where he wants 270 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: to go. He still puts some stock in a negotiated settlement, 271 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 2: and he thinks that this war is the mechanism to 272 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 2: bring Iran to its knees. He's a work in progress 273 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: on the tactics of getting there. Early on it was okay. 274 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 2: The Israelis have shown the Iranians were serious, and now 275 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: they're going to come to an agreement. Now he's talking 276 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: more and more, let's bring Iran's going to come to 277 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 2: its knees, and it's going to surrender without a lot 278 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: of American concessions. It's nuclear program. So he's talking more 279 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: now in terms of surrender of Iran. However, he's not 280 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: yet talking in terms of the destruction of the Iranian regime. 281 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 2: And that's where the Israelis are reaching into and I 282 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: think the reason for it is, first of all, he's 283 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: the intelligence community is still an issue, and they're telling them, no, no, 284 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 2: that's not going to happen. Number one, and number two, 285 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: they're telling them, well, if it happens, then it's a mess, 286 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: and Iran will be a mess, and we're going to 287 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 2: be dragged in in a nation building and all that. 288 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 2: So he's still not there in terms of if the 289 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 2: regime's going to collapse as a byproduct of what Israel's 290 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: doing and the Iranian peoples. 291 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 3: And by the way, it's the Iranian. 292 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 2: People who will be engaged in the regime change action, 293 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 2: not Israel or the United States. 294 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: And we did a very powerful webinar yesterday. As I 295 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: mentioned in my commentary, David I encourage everybody to go 296 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: check it out at victoryco dot org. One of the 297 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: key points was made I believe by you that if 298 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: the administration does indeed get into some kind of deal 299 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: making mode with the Iranian Mulla's, it will have a 300 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: very depressive effect on the appetite of the people of 301 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: Iran to take the risk, and there will be a 302 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: considerable risk to try to bring it down. David, we 303 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: are out of time, alas, and so much more to 304 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: talk with you about safe travels onward to Israel, hopefully 305 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: in the next day or so, and we'll look forward 306 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: to your reporting from there. But thank you for your 307 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: time and insights today. They are extraordinarily important and much 308 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. God bless you, my friend. Stay well, 309 00:19:45,000 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more folks. Stay tuned. We're 310 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: back and when I'm able to say so. Is Dave 311 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: Walsh is a banner day here at Securing in America, 312 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: one of our favorite guests, a duty expert on all 313 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: things energy related. You perhaps are aware of his background 314 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: as a senior executive at Westinghouse and Missipucci powers these 315 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: days with the Dakota Group, a consulting firm but he 316 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: is very very much a fixture now in some of 317 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: the programming here at Real America's Voice, notably with our 318 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: friend Steve Bennon, and of course our program because of 319 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: his incisive commentaries about and understanding of the energy security 320 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: needs of our nation and how they are affecting both 321 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: domestick economic and grand strategic imperatives as well. And Dave 322 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: came up on the net with me this morning making 323 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: some extremely important points about how the subject that we've 324 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: been discussing in the course of the program for the 325 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: past couple of days, namely the campaign Israel has been 326 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: obliged to wage against the Iranian Mullahs and their nuclear 327 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: weapons program, bears on the main thing as we're fond 328 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: of calling it, thanks to Captain James Fonel China, the 329 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party and the threat that it poses to 330 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: all of us. Dave Welsh, thank you so much for 331 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: joining us. Welcome back, Rank thanks for having me so 332 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: give us sort of your lay of the land as 333 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: you see it, formed obviously by your expertise in the 334 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: energy sector, but also your larger, extremely impressive strategic document well. 335 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 4: The Xijiping seized upon the Biden weakness of allowing the 336 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 4: deterioration of our sanctions against Iran to jump all over 337 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 4: this as a beachhead proxy state for them in the 338 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 4: Middle East, of extreme rancor to the US and its policies, 339 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 4: Iran wanting eventually to destroy US according to their own rhetoric, 340 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: and certainly destroy Israel, using them as a beachhead for 341 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 4: one massively necessary oil supply to China, immediately negotiating two 342 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 4: million barrels a day at Brent crude pricing minus forty 343 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 4: a forty percent discount from Brent crude pricing, so he 344 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 4: got a rond to abandon the Opeq cartel to serve 345 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 4: their new slave master, China, but in exchange, also not 346 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 4: for hard dollars, but for rememby, forced to sell the 347 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 4: oil and rememby and to spend them remmbee in China 348 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 4: on Chinese hardware, but including a lot of Chinese high 349 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 4: tech electronic warfare component support for Iran, including major military 350 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: hardware for Iran from China, along with in the long run, 351 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 4: building couple of gas pipelines natural gas pipelines from Iran 352 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 4: to China, which China desperately needs, not lng from here 353 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 4: that they want to wean off of completely but pipeline 354 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: much cheaper natural gas from Russia and secondly from Iran. 355 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 4: All this was agree two and a half years ago. 356 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 4: So you've got this proxy state for China set up 357 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 4: holy hostile to our issues and our agenda and particularly 358 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 4: Israel's existence, supported directly by China. So all due respect 359 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 4: to anyone talking about concerns with Iran as a proxy 360 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 4: state of Russia, no more pointedly in the last two 361 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 4: and a half years, clearly clearly of China. So we 362 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 4: have an ally closely aligned ally willing to be on 363 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 4: the point of the spear taking them on for the 364 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 4: hideous support of Hamas Hezbola and the Houthis, and particularly 365 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 4: what happened a couple of octobers ago. You know this 366 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 4: is this is along the lines of China has overreached 367 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 4: its boundaries of being able to influence global policy. They're 368 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 4: ahead of their skis, they're too far afield, they're in 369 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 4: place they don't belong. And this is this is a 370 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 4: key part of particularly this long term publicly announced effort 371 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 4: in Iran to develop a nuclear capability to wipe out 372 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 4: Israel that they've repeated oftentimes in public, have the technology 373 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 4: to do use centrifuges to go ahead and develop enrich 374 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 4: uranium for bomb creating purposes. That this is, this is 375 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 4: a whole different situation than Iraq that had nothing to 376 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 4: do with China, and have in this case a very 377 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 4: clear articulated strategy and tactics underway in rod to develop 378 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 4: a nuclear nuclear arsenal that's known, a known, a known 379 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 4: thing and also I would add well known to NAT. 380 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 4: Yahoo had, according out to around themselves, numerous numerous intelligence 381 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 4: operators inside of the Iranian government reporting back to him 382 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 4: basically everything going on there so acting with a lot 383 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 4: of intelligence in what he's done. 384 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: So just to cut to the chase here, what you're saying, 385 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: as I understand it is, we have an opportunity by 386 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: helping this close ally at the point the end of 387 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: the spear, willing to take on the Iranian regime and 388 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: its nuclear ambitions and its missiles and so on, to 389 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: smite not only an enemy that is obviously a mortal 390 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: peril to Israel, but also has made no secret of 391 00:25:55,640 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: their commitment. Not just as the Grandi Havela himself has said, 392 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: death to America is not a slogan, It is a policy, 393 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: and perhaps if Israel succeeds in defeating decisively Iran, also 394 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: delivering a very important setback to the other very serious 395 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: enemy we have, I would argue even more dangerous enemy, 396 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: namely the Chinese Communist Party as well. 397 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean right, at this point, it doesn't look 398 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 4: like they need very much support in successfully controlling Iran. 399 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 4: The israelis so the last thing we need is a 400 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 4: definitive statement that we will never support that. No purpose 401 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 4: served with making a definitive statement that will never support that. 402 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 4: It doesn't appear that we need to say much of 403 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 4: anything right now. They're doing, if you will, a damn 404 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 4: fine job on their own, which would be the best 405 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 4: case scenario here. But let's not step up in state 406 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,479 Speaker 4: unequivocally we'll never support them in this those who have 407 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 4: said death to America and those who have expressed continuous, constant, 408 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 4: consistent annihilation of Israel in their mantra as a strategy 409 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 4: and tactic, I think it would be a mistake to 410 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 4: claim that we would never support our ally Israel. We're 411 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 4: not seeking right now on an endorsement of jumping in. 412 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 4: It looks like it may not be necessary. 413 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 1: It does look that way but just on this point 414 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: about China, if we were to fail to decisively defeat 415 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: the mows in Iran, would it we're down to the 416 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: benefit of the Chinese Communist Party, would you say, obviously, 417 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: if they are able to continue getting oil and natural 418 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: gas and whatever else, but strategically as well, do you 419 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: think that they would be emboldened perhaps to believe even 420 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: that that failure of will on the part of the 421 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: West would be you know, perhaps conducive to They're pressing 422 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: the test in very much. 423 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 4: So, very much so. And because the even comparing this 424 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 4: to Ukraine, we're not we're talking here about that nation 425 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 4: who is the enemy. China clearly our enemy, clearly our 426 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 4: adversary in Southeast Asia, in the Pacific Rim, Taiwan, South America, 427 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 4: where Secretary of State Rubio has been very effective at 428 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 4: dislodging them in early efforts from Panama, a notorious positive 429 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 4: initiative of this administration. They're having a major foothold among 430 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 4: the most unstable nation in the Middle East, that is, 431 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 4: egregiously the most hostile to US and the largest with 432 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 4: the most military capabilities, a disaster for US, but their 433 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 4: dependence on Iran is huge. China doesn't have in ground 434 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 4: natural gas and inequantity. The ability to extract a couple 435 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 4: of pipelines and pipeline natural gas out of with two 436 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 4: million barrels a day of oil is incredibly meaningful to 437 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 4: propping up the Chinese economy. So they have reasons. In 438 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 4: addition to political instability being controlled and more influenced in 439 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 4: that region. Resource is a big, big issue for China 440 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 4: coming off agreements they made with the clerical government. They're 441 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 4: only two and a half years ago, and massively beneficial 442 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 4: oil price connected to delivering military hardware to Iran. Very 443 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 4: different situation than Iraq was completely different. 444 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. But David, just staying 445 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: with this idea of China. You know, our friend Steve 446 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: Bennam often talks about the people of China, my budging, 447 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: the ordinary people, and the horrors that that government has 448 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: inflicted upon them over the years. By some estimates, one 449 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: hundred million of them have been killed. Actually, if you 450 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: add in the number that were murdered in the womb 451 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: in accordance with their one child policy, for example, it's 452 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: maybe half a million excuse me, five hundred million. Rather, 453 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: this is a regime that is in very severe difficulty, 454 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: as you know, for a variety of reasons, demographic among others. 455 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: But is it possible that if what I call the 456 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: li Baijing of Iran succeed in removing the allies of China, 457 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: these Mullahs again their enemy as well as ours and israels, 458 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: that that might further incentivize people in China to take 459 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: matters into their own hands as well. I mean, in 460 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: other words, might we see a real reshaping of the 461 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: entire globe as a result of what is now in 462 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: prospect in Iran. Oh? 463 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 4: I think that's way possible. It's certainly more possible in 464 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 4: this case than the opposite case, in the opposite case 465 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 4: where they continue to successfully prosecute their expansionism abroad. Where 466 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 4: by the way, again kudo's to Marco Rubio for the 467 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 4: fantastic job undergirding his selection for the role he's in 468 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 4: in beginning to ward them off of South America, which 469 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 4: is a exposing their weakness. They've got a position there 470 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 4: they're not strong enough to hang on to. He's proven 471 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 4: that already in this case, this case be of exactly 472 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 4: the same thing. This is a very good thing for us, 473 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 4: The fact that that's been exposed. 474 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: We have to leave it at that. Dave Welsh, thank 475 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: you for this update. Come back soon if you would. 476 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: It's vital. Thanks for this. Thanks, your insight is ever 477 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: God bless you. We'll be right back, folks, Stay tuned. 478 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back, and I'm delighted to say welcome once again 479 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: to John Guandola, one of our featured guests about this 480 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: time each week. I'm very proud to say he is, 481 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: of course, a freedom fighter par excellence in the very 482 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: literal sense of the word, as a combat veteran the 483 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: Force Reconnaissance Marines, also in his role as one of 484 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: the members of and then the commanding officer of the 485 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: SWAT Team of the FBI, and subsequently as a counter 486 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: terrorism special agent in the Bureau. Before leaving the bureau 487 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: that is the FBI, he became one of those seized 488 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: with the problem of what I call Sharia supremacism, and 489 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: he did his level best to teach others inside the 490 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: FBI and elsewhere in the government for that matter, about 491 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: his insights and the threats that we are now witnessing 492 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: playing out big time around the world. And unfortunately, as 493 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: we'll discuss with him here, as well, John has gone 494 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: on to other things. He is now very actively involved 495 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: in trying to train both law enforcement, government officials and 496 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: private citizens about all of these threats and what can 497 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,479 Speaker 1: be done about them. You can find out much more 498 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: about all of that at his website Johnguandolo dot com. John, 499 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,239 Speaker 1: welcome back, my friend. Good to have you. 500 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 3: Thank you. 501 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 5: Frank. It's great to be back on with you. 502 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: Thank you. Let me start by asking about Iran. John. 503 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: As I indicated, you were a combat marine, you served 504 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: in the region. You have studied closely both the macro 505 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: problem of Sharia supremacism as well as its practice by Iran. 506 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: As we speak, I think there's an epic decision pending. 507 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: President Trump may have already made it, removing forces around 508 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: the region and to the region. It seems, tanker fleets 509 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: and other assets, notably the USS Nimics now being redeployed 510 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: from the Far East. When you look at what's going 511 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: on with this war Israel is waging against Iran, it's 512 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: really a campaign, properly understood, rather than the war. The 513 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 1: war has been underway. 514 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 3: For decades, as you know. 515 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 1: What do you make of it, sir? And what do 516 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: you think are the stakes in it coming out right and. 517 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 5: That look like well, I appreciate the question. 518 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 3: That's a big question. 519 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 5: To jump start this conversation, I would say, first, whenever 520 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 5: I see these events take place, I always try to 521 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 5: put them in context of the larger war that we 522 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 5: are engaged in which we are engaged, and that would 523 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 5: include obviously the Islamic movement globally as well as the 524 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 5: Islamic movement in North Americans specifically the United States. So first, 525 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 5: at the international level, I Ran continues going on six decades, 526 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 5: certainly for five four to five decades, has been a 527 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 5: threat to the West, and not just as a potential 528 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 5: threat from nuclear weapons, but funding and promoting and physically 529 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 5: militarily acting on their doctrine Sharia Islam in the Middle 530 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 5: East as well as in the West. And for certainly 531 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 5: since nine to eleven, there has been plenty of testimony, 532 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 5: plenty of public statements by officials in several administrations that 533 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 5: Iran and the part of the Iranian government that is 534 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 5: his Belah a designated terrorist organization and the role they 535 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 5: play in the global terrorist networks. I think it's really 536 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 5: important to remind everyone that there's been plenty of unclassified 537 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 5: public statements leadership in several administrations about the significant his 538 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 5: Bala networks here in the United States, the Iranian counterintelligence 539 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 5: influence operations in the key components of the United States 540 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 5: governments that have been exposed, certainly in the last five 541 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 5: to ten years, But this goes back more than that. 542 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: And so John, in addition to all of that, what 543 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: I call the kind of infrastructure that these jihadists have 544 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: established in our country, serious as that is, and whether 545 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 1: it's mosques or whether it's front organizations or whether it's cells. 546 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: We're told that there are assassination teams that the Irunians 547 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: have inserted into this country for the purpose of killing 548 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: President Trump and some of his senior subordinates from his 549 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: first term. Do you credit those assessments, John, And if so, 550 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,360 Speaker 1: I mean maybe put it all together, But particularly with 551 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 1: that fine point, how serious would you regard the threat 552 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: inside this country is of Iranian operations? 553 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 5: So I think the threat is real, it's significant, and 554 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 5: it's being for the most part completely unaddressed. I mean, 555 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 5: the problem is when these things, when these national news 556 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:47,319 Speaker 5: media stories and real stories, real actions, real events pop up, 557 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 5: we look at the event or at least the media 558 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 5: and many politicians look at the event, but the network 559 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,880 Speaker 5: in the United States, both on the Sunni and the 560 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 5: Shia side, from the Islamic threat, those networks continue to 561 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 5: be unaddressed by the US government, by state governments across 562 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 5: the United States, and have been since I would argue 563 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 5: before nine to eleven. That is the problem. And until 564 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 5: those the infrastructure, the networks for these operations are dismantled 565 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 5: and destroyed, we're going to continue to have a grave 566 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 5: and increasing threats to the United States. 567 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: John hold the thought. We're going to talk about what 568 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: we need to do about that with one of our 569 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: great experts on the subject, John Guandolo. You're not going 570 00:39:39,120 --> 00:40:01,479 Speaker 1: to want to miss his recommendations. Stay tuned. We're back 571 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: as is John Guandola. I'm very pleased to say please 572 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: check out his very, very valuable online resources as well 573 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: as the services he renders, and we're going to talk 574 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: a little bit about them. You can learn more about 575 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: all of it at John Guandola dot com. John, you have, 576 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,799 Speaker 1: as I've indicated, spent much of your professional life now 577 00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: both becoming deeply knowledgeable about the nature of these well again, 578 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,439 Speaker 1: my term Sharia supremacists and the gihad, that they are 579 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: compelled according to Sharia, to engage in both of the 580 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: violent and the stealthy kind. You have described briefly in 581 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: the previous segment the concern that you have about, particularly 582 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,919 Speaker 1: the Iranian piece, because that's obviously a matter of great 583 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: focus at the moment, but more generally the Islamic movement 584 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: and its infrastructure and capabilities inside this country. I am 585 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,919 Speaker 1: very much of the view, as I know you are, 586 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: that this is a ticking time bomb, and I think 587 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,480 Speaker 1: on this program I certainly heard you say it elsewhere. 588 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: You believe that the ticking is perhaps ticking down rather rapidly, 589 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: that there are those inside this country now who seek 590 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,920 Speaker 1: to embrace not only the idea of jihad, but it's practice, 591 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: and to use it to take down, if they can, 592 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:54,320 Speaker 1: this country to the extent that that is the case, 593 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: talk about what we as a nation must do about this. 594 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: Recalling that Donald Trump back on that famous speech he 595 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: made in August fifteenth, twenty sixteen, in which he warned 596 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 1: about the ideological threat posed by what he called radical 597 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 1: Islamic terrorism. He talked about stripping out the networks that 598 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: support those kinds of activities. So give us your both 599 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 1: situation report, if you will, and your assessment of the 600 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: course of action we must take. 601 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,400 Speaker 5: Well, that's really the crux of it all, isn't it. 602 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 5: What do we do? And I think the problem goes 603 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:47,760 Speaker 5: back to acknowledging first acknowledging the real threat posed by 604 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,319 Speaker 5: the Islamic movement globally and in the United States, the 605 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:56,720 Speaker 5: threat posed by the communist movement in the United States 606 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 5: and globally, and how those two movements are working again 607 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,359 Speaker 5: other And so a lot of our time on this 608 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 5: program has been spent, Frank talking about these networks, and 609 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 5: rightly so, I believed, because they continue to be untouched. 610 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,919 Speaker 5: And so I think you can't talk about dismantling these 611 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 5: networks if you don't actually know who they are. Now 612 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 5: there have been people I think that could I could 613 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 5: I just. 614 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:31,399 Speaker 1: Clarify one thing, because untouched is a sort of understatement. 615 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: I would say, you've done as much as anybody to 616 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: document this. We have actually seen government at various levels, 617 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: including the federal one, sadly, including to some extent under 618 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:56,880 Speaker 1: the Trump presidencies, actually sort of legitimizing of these elements 619 00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 1: to some extent. I don't think knowing doing so if 620 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,080 Speaker 1: they're you know, the Council of American Islamic Relations for example, 621 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: AMAS FRONT or their Iranian counterparts, but at least implicitly 622 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: doing so. So just pick up from that point, if 623 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: you would. 624 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's a great points. And this is the issue. 625 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 5: It's not just that there's a there's an ignorance or 626 00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 5: in a lack of action, the action being taken not 627 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,400 Speaker 5: only at the federal level, at the state level. You know, 628 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 5: we just had that recent report out about Texas funding 629 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 5: over thirteen million dollars of these jihadi organizations. Whether it's 630 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 5: the civilization jihad as they call it, or it's the 631 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 5: kinetic jihad, it's all part of the law of you know, 632 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 5: the Kurna concept of war. And so if we look 633 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 5: at these networks, you know, we can go back. I 634 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 5: recall an article in the Free Beacon where Peter King 635 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 5: was quoted talking about the Iranian network. So again, public 636 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,360 Speaker 5: statements about these networks are just as bad or worse. 637 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 5: They several national level leaders in our intelligence community, people 638 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 5: that sit on or chair committees inside the Senate in 639 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 5: the House, saying that the Hisbola slash Iranian network because 640 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 5: Hisbela is a part of the Iranian government. It's not 641 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 5: just some offshoot, that's right. It's much stronger than the 642 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,760 Speaker 5: Sunni Muslim Brotherhood Hamas network. Now arguably in the United States, 643 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,839 Speaker 5: the Muslim Brotherhood and currently in the United States run 644 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 5: by Aridawana Turkey is leading that effort here in the 645 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,800 Speaker 5: United States. But the reality is these networks are identifiable. 646 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 5: We know the organizations both on the kinectic and non 647 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 5: kinetic side. It's a massive counter intelligence network. You had 648 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 5: this whole Iranian network inside the Pentagon where the chief 649 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 5: of staff for the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Special 650 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 5: Operations in the Department of Defense, where I was an 651 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 5: Iranian asset, Arion Tabat Toabai, and that entire network inside 652 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,360 Speaker 5: the government. This is just a couple of years ago. 653 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 5: And so when we look at the Iranian penetration influence 654 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 5: as well as the military kinetic side working directly with 655 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 5: Hamas Muslim Brotherhood in the United States and externally, it's 656 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 5: significant and there is not Again, as you noted, it's 657 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 5: not only that the US government, including under the Trump administration, 658 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 5: isn't doing anything. They're taking actions that actually advances these networks. 659 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 5: And the solution is eradicating the network that gives hostile 660 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 5: foreign nations like Iran the ability to operate here in 661 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 5: the United States. And so far again, not only has 662 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:30,279 Speaker 5: that not been done and no serious counterintelligence effort been 663 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,080 Speaker 5: made to undermine these networks here in the United States, 664 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 5: the government, including under Trump, have actually taken actions to 665 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 5: advance it. 666 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: John, we have to leave it at that. Much more 667 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: to come, especially if we roll up the head of 668 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: the snake, as they say in Iran. Come back to 669 00:47:48,600 --> 00:48:00,320 Speaker 1: assume with updates, Sir, if you would