WEBVTT - Ep. 17: Bear Grease [Render] - White Panthers, Black Roosters, and Danny-Boy Boone 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:17.080 Yeah. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:20.680 of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.200 where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:30.040 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.320 HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:47.360 that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. Gary, 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:50.480 is a sasquatch on your head? Is? Where'd you get 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:54.680 that hat? I'm not telling man, my people. I got 0:00:54.680 --> 0:01:00.360 it from my That's a nice sasquatch hat. Welcome to 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:04.679 the Beargrease Render. Man, have we ever have we ever 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:09.200 got a show for you today? I've got I'll do 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:12.720 introductions as I usually do. Mr Brant reads, how are 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:15.520 you doing? I'm doing good. Good to see you. As 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.720 my grandfather would say, I'm good or and snuff and 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:24.040 I ain't near as dusty to your left. Mr lukeomas back. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:28.240 Hey there, welcome back, Miss Nukeleliar. I'm good to be here. 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:33.160 I have no clever statement last time that I would 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.119 like to recant. Yeah, I said, definitely, wold like to rephrase. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:39.120 I said you were supposed to be at the last 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:49.120 Bargrease Render, but she was quote easily what that was? 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.160 That was a misstep on my part, definitely, but it's 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.480 it's great to have you back. Thank you, thank you 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.560 for making the time to come to the render to 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:05.280 your left. Josh Landbridge stillmaker acquired man. Hey, you're just 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.760 killing it on being the dumb guy at the front 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.880 of the that doesn't know what we're talking about. I 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:17.919 need someone. What I'm doing when I when I picked 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.840 these interviews is I'm trying to pick like a representative 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.079 person for like the masses. So I'm taking an average 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.560 of all the smartest people I know, and then the 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:36.079 not that the land Bridge imagine two continents, and then 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.480 but then Josh he also so he doesn't know what 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.799 we're gonna talk about, but he brings in some charm 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:48.320 and some humor every both times. Did he not thank you? Yeah? 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.720 So that was great. What was sad though, was I 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:56.800 recorded a couple I recorded a couple other of those 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:59.200 just kind of impromptu. You know, I'm just like walking 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.280 up to people like at my kids school that I 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:04.840 know and and and so I don't have to explain 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.480 to him why I'm doing this. I'm just like putting 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.079 a microphone on their face, and so I did this 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:14.280 twice and one of the ladies just knocked it out 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.520 of the park. I was like, do you know what 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.240 the Comering Gap is? And she was like, oh, yes, 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.040 of course. This is where Daniel Boone came through Key 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:23.639 Key to the Western United States and the expansion. I 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:27.160 was like, wow, cool. Do you know about when white 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.200 Europeans went through the gap? And she was like, m 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:32.559 Jamestown was found in the sixteen sixties. I'm gonna say 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.840 sixteen seventies. And I was like, holy smoke, the first 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:40.160 documented white man went through the Cumberland Gap in sixteen 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.560 seventy four. And then he got my son on there 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:48.560 and he's like, oh yeah, yeah. So anyway, Josh's uh Josh, 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:51.640 is that guys and I are in a class all 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:57.280 our own solidly And what happened to her interview? Oh yeah, okay, listen, 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:03.800 I I'm highly nickel with I t gear, computers, all 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:07.160 these sort of things. Not true, Not true. That was 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.200 a misstatement. I had my my my earbuds in in 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:16.760 the truck because my truck the radio went out. Okay, 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:20.120 so I was listening to earbuds in the truck. They're 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:23.040 on bluetooth. I see this person I want to interview 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.560 in her car. I jump out of the truck, knock 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.120 on the window, do this great interview where she just 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:32.359 knocks it out of the park. You know, her history 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:37.120 professor from high school was probably crying and then um 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.000 and I'm I tell her. I'm like, man, that was 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.080 the best one of these I've ever done. You did great. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.880 I get back in the car and basically listened to 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.320 the recording because I did it on my phone, which 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.000 I rarely do, but I did. And it was picking 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:54.320 up my bluetooth of my boys in my truck being 0:04:54.400 --> 0:05:00.160 idiots exactly. So I had to. I had the all 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.680 this lady would be like, remember that home run interview? 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.760 Did interview you did? Sorry? It didn't count for anything. 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.520 So that's what I had to go find. Josh. To 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:16.240 Josh's left, annual Route Professor, Dr Daniel give me all 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:21.240 the respect possible. Dan has a spot on the on 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:26.120 the Real Burgery's podcast coming up here, talk about just 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.000 another zan on the podcast, as long as you will 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.160 get some fresh meat on this thing. And then to 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:37.839 Dan's left, coming back in hot wherever he's been, Gary 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:42.719 Newcome where you been? Man? Well, you know what, I 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:44.640 wanted to give you guys a shot at it on 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:52.559 your own, and uh, you came up short. Came up short, 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.000 so you needed to bring back in kind of the 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.800 a little bit of a little little daddy attitude, keep 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.800 you guys in line. There you go. Well, it's great 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:05.039 to have you. I'll tell you. I invited my mother 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.719 to be on this render and she turned down. So Juju. 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.400 My mother's name is Judy, we call her Juju. She's 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.039 been on the Burgar's podcast, so she's qualified to be here. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.200 The other day, she comes up to me and she says, Clay, 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.920 and she kind of looks at me with those momay's 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:23.280 and she said, now, I'm gonna tell you something. And 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.440 you know you're a grown man. You don't have to 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:29.600 do it, but when people give you feedback on your podcast, 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:38.839 you need to treat them nice. Juju was easily replaced. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.680 She said, I just said I was listening. I was 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.640 listening to that render when you said that those boys 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.000 told you that y'all didn't need to talk over each other, 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.440 and then you said you all laughed and you said, 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.560 keep talking over each other. Anyway. She was like, Clay, 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.800 you need to pay attention. So did she say anything 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:03.159 about the treatment of Valley. That's where I thought that. No. 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:07.800 I I did speak to Alex this week, though. Yeah. Yeah. 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.560 It was a gamble to me whether he was gonna 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:11.720 be upset with me or we're gonna be like best friends. 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:14.840 Turns out he just came in and was like, you know, 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.280 just we just had a normal little chat, and I 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:20.840 just said, hey, thanks for being the whistleblower, Alex. It's 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:27.000 just really cool. Yet stand with Alex, to stand with Alex. Okay, 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:35.040 speaking of this, Alex, I forgot about this just happened, 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.840 so it's not in my in my render notes here, 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:42.400 I Okay, I haven't listened to The Meat Eater camp 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:47.320 Fire Stories yet. I started it because because I'm saving 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.720 it for an eighteen hour road trip that I'm going 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.560 on by myself very soon. Okay, So that's it's not 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:56.840 like lack of interest. Why I haven't listened to The 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.440 Meat Eater camp Fire Stories, an audible book new Time's 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.360 best selling. Okay, so that's what the scandal was about 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.600 last time. If you remember that I recounted a story. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.920 How can we forget that I someone had told me 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.320 and then I recounted it, and then people were like, 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:15.080 oh man, it was way off. Well, I have a 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:19.040 guy write me today and say, Clay, I heard your 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.920 version of the story and the version of the campfire 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.360 meter story, and then it wasn't that much different. And 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.000 so I'm like, maybe we've been blowing the whistle that 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.680 didn't need to be blown. I guess we'll find out 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.400 because I'm about I'm I'm a couple of hours into. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.600 Christie and I had to go to Tulsa this weekend 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:36.960 and we turned it on and listened to it. Men, 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.679 it's really good. This guy sent you got some amazing 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.080 stories in there. He sent you mess His name, I 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:50.600 guess was Brave crewcom was it? But yeah, yeah, And 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.800 I was like, as a matter of fact, I think 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.439 I'm gonna hunt that guy down and send him my 0:08:54.480 --> 0:09:03.040 hat Beaver Beaver felt out. Okay, Um, so just for 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.200 if anybody's new to the Render, Okay, the the barg 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:12.120 Rease podcast, our documentary style podcast is so you know, 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:18.160 just polished produce, scripted, which people get scared of that word, 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:22.280 but the truth is it is very scripted. The burger 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.800 Ease Render is very much unplugged. Okay, that's the idea. 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.760 And so we do housekeeping for the first section of 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.920 the podcast, where we just kind of go through some stuff, 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.040 and then the last, the last section of the podcast, 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:41.640 we get serious Dana and we we we talked about 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:47.400 the content of the Last Burgeras podcast. So I wanted 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.719 to I wanted to tell you all. I have had 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:57.520 no less than let's just say, fifty two hundred. I'm 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:01.520 losing count of how many people have sent me messages 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:06.840 about the Sturgil Simpson album. They've been sending to your messages, 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.160 Oh got you every day, every day, and it's it's 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.360 either one or two songs or the whole album. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.280 you gotta listen to it, like, man, I can't listen 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.760 to it again. It's wonderful. Yeah. So this guy, I 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.240 don't know. I didn't know much about Sturgill Simpson, still don't, 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.760 but he made a as I understand it, it's a 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.840 it's uh, what do they call albums where all the 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.840 songs are connected together to kind of tell a story 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:36.120 musical concept. I don't know, but he he talks a 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:40.680 lot about mules hounds, and everybody's like, Clay, you're gonna 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.640 love it. And so anyway, it's a cool album. So yeah, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.840 so no need to alert me to uh to that anymore. 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.640 The first one was really cool. I mean the first 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.680 guy that did was cool. Um, I think listen to 0:10:53.760 --> 0:11:02.840 Jujuy listen. Everybody that sent me a message felt like 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:08.480 they were the first person. But my response, well because 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:12.520 I was just like, thanks, man, that's awesome. That's one 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:16.440 of response. Thanks man. No, no, it was good. It 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.679 was good. Okay, uh covering covering a few things, and 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.319 then I'm gonna give you all a chance to if 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.120 you have any news or anything that you want to update. So. 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:30.120 I was recently on the Metiator podcast, and this is 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:33.200 another thing that my inbox has been full of this week. 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:38.520 I was on Steve Ronella's Meteor podcast. Man, I was, 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.760 I was bear hunting, was Steve Ronella, And somewhere in 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:46.120 the back country I brought up that I had read 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.880 somewhere I didn't know where, but I had read that 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:53.760 a way to measure the amount of bear grease and 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.320 an old way from the eighteen hundred seventeen hundreds, A 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.800 way to measure a volume of bear grease that could 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.680 be used as a monetary exchange like money was called 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:07.400 an eel e L L of bear grease, which was 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.000 the tanned neck height of a deer that was sold 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.000 together and then used as like a you know, like 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.600 a like a a big, big flask that would hold 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:19.320 bear oil. So I tell him that and he got 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.800 excited about that, as was I, and he was like, oh, man, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.600 that's cool. You know this old archaic unit of measurement. 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:32.720 And so we get on the podcast and he's like, hey, 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.480 where did you hear that kind of got called out? 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:39.440 I listened to it, yeah, and I was like, man, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.199 I said, I know, I just know for a fact 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:48.880 I read it in some type of academic reading years 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:54.200 and years ago, WIA Wikipedia. And I couldn't. I couldn't 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:55.960 tell him. I said, I don't know. And then Janis 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:58.320 gets on there and they start looking and I mean 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:02.080 pretty soon it's like clay, You're just full of it. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.760 And I didn't have any I didn't have an answer, 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.880 and I actually, I guess I didn't know it was 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.760 coming because I had written an email to one of 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.400 an author that I thought had said it, and he 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:19.160 was like, nope, I never said that. But I lost 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:22.520 sleep over this. I'm serious. It bothered me big time. 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:23.959 I mean, not that they gave me a hard time. 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:26.440 I mean I deserved that if I couldn't couldn't find 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.200 it um But just like I knew that it was 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.360 somewhere and I couldn't remember. I mean, it's been so 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.480 many years, but I've said it for years as if 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.920 it was just like truth. And that's why I was 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:42.840 pretty confident in it. Man, the Burgrease world came through 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.160 for me. Apparently there's people that are a lot better 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:50.079 at researching phrases, and there are some really technical ways 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.800 to search the internets. Is that what you're saying. Well, 0:13:53.840 --> 0:13:56.160 I mean he was just Google searching, which I did too. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.240 But the first guy and the first guy, this is 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:03.240 gonna incur people too. You know, I don't know what 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.800 it's gonna ocur. A we're encouraging the people. I feel good, okay. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:12.880 The first guy that sent me the screen capture from 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.560 an academic journal that this was in, and it was 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.680 citing the source of a of a of an old 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.640 journal that said an eel of beargrease is a unit 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.880 of measurement that could be used as an exchange. I mean, 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:26.240 I can, I'll tell you what. I'll pull him and 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.600 read it I was so excited I sent him a 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:37.480 beargrease hat. But within minutes, let's say ours like tons 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.960 of people from all over the country started sending me 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:44.560 the documentation documentation, So anyway, I sent it to. I 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.000 sent it to, I sent it to the to the 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:54.400 higher ups, let them know. UM. So no, I crushed 0:14:54.400 --> 0:15:02.400 the send button on that one. Okay, here it is 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.240 so it says a black bear was a valuable commodity 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.720 to early settlers of Arkansas. It was. It was. It 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:11.120 was in UM a thesis project done by University of 0:15:11.200 --> 0:15:14.520 Arkansas student about Arkansas black bears. So I probably studied 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.360 this in two thousand three and four when I was 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.280 supposed to be studying what I was against. You know, 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:22.360 they're to study in college, but didn't. UM black bear 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.200 was a valuable commodity to early settlers of Arkansas. The 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.840 price for bear skins at Arkansas Post in eighteen oh 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:32.080 six range from one to two dollars each. Bear oil 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:36.560 sold for one dollar per gallon in eighteen thirty four. 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:40.600 In earth In in the early eighteen eighties, and eel 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:49.000 of bear grease e L L L l L and 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:53.120 L of bear grease formed from the hide of the 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.640 head and neck of a deer was a standard medium 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.560 of exchange. A man's status as a provider was judged 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.800 by the number of eels of bear grease that stood 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:07.880 by the fireplace. Bear meats sold for ten dollars per 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:14.800 hundred pounds. That is the creed of this podcast. We're 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:20.040 gonna have it stamped into bronze and make a plaque 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:25.520 like a very heavy place. Is this your tombstone? Could 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.920 be used for that later. I like killing multiple birds 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.000 with one stone. That's good stuff right there. It came from. 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.200 Somebody's gonna ask me where it came, was the wording 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.360 the measure of a man. A man's status as a 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.840 provider was judged by the number of eels of bear 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.600 grease that stood by the fireplace. What if he had 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.200 like thirty of them there, what's he gonna do with 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.400 all that? Well, I mean it was a It was 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.160 a measurement of exchange. They'd take them to the store, 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:54.520 trade it for something. But it doesn't it make sense 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.360 how so they used the The skin of a deer 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.960 was basically a serious medium of exchange. But they were 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:06.280 using the big part of the hide, so that like 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.520 the legs, the tail, the neck and stuff would have 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.920 not been as valuable. So presumably you cut the neck 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.040 and head off and make almost like a sock. I mean, 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:25.680 could imagine a hack poured out his mouth. I'm telling you, ranside, 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:28.119 if you think they had neck of bar grease, you 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:35.879 gotta fill a hole deer time. Man. Yeah, what do 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:38.480 you think about that? Dad? I think it's awesome. Man. Yeah, 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.040 that's what I've got from my wealth. That's what's going 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:45.240 to my kids. He's got his his elves filled with 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:53.680 bitcoin rancis bear grease. Okay, moving on, So, uh, we got, 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:55.760 we got, we got. We took a little flak from 0:17:55.880 --> 0:18:01.040 one person one person over my story of the Captain Rooster. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:07.639 Did y'all know that it kind of hurt? Well? I 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.159 knew it there was a chance of that, but also 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.720 knew that and in before I said the story, I 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.199 don't know if you remember, but I said, anybody that 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:20.679 challenges me on the treatment of this animal just absolutely 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.720 has no ground to stand on if they've ever eaten 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.480 a chicken an egg that came from any top of 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.560 confinement agricultural farm. Because this chick, this rooster had the 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:39.480 life of a king, except for when you had a 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:44.240 rooster actually under every I can't believe how many messages 0:18:44.280 --> 0:18:46.760 we've received from people who want to tell you their 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.840 mean rooster stories. I also can't believe how many pictures 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.920 we found of Captain attacking people in full attack mode. 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:57.440 It's a he was pretty mean, and I think that 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:00.960 it's only instinctive to protect yourself. I will say when 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.960 I saw that this man probably did not grow up 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:08.159 on a farm and has never been around a rooster. Okay, okay, 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:11.200 I mean, but the thing of it was is that 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.720 he lived a very long life for a rooster, and 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:21.120 we only attempted to kill him once. Proponent ofthanation, Well, 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.879 I mean, it's like if your dog bites your what 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:30.840 are you gonna do? Shoot your neighbor. I'm wondering if 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.399 he thought that it was unethical to shoot him with 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.840 a bow and arrow. Well, okay, I mean there's factors 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:42.159 of this story. Buddy. Oh, I'm not talking to you, 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:46.960 I'm talking to the guy. It's like I didn't want 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.840 to shoot a gun right here. You know, maybe that's 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:57.160 an US here all the time. Though perhaps perhaps Shepherd's 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:01.320 a better shot with a botto. Perhaps a bow and 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:03.760 arrow is a more ethical way to kill something than 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:08.880 a gun. Oh I could. I mean, I'm being serious. 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.600 That's not the reason we did it, is it philosophical conversation? 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:16.800 Here to pray on? That is the reason you did it? Well, 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.199 because I wanted shepherd to take care of it for me, 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.640 just real quick. But when I was three years old, 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.200 I went to my grandfather's farm and a rooster attacked 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.879 me and I studed. You know, the family laughed about 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.920 that for years. Yes, you know all that stuff. Well, 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.600 oh you went back, you went back to tell what happened, 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.120 and you stuttered to your mind. Well no, yeah, yeah, 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:42.240 you know, and it was bad and and and here's 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.120 how you handle a deal like that. I mean, all 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.960 this stuff y'all doing is it's a waste of time. 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:51.320 You're saying, how do we handle someone that has a complaint? No? No, No, 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:58.280 the rooster that night for supper, guess what we had. 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:05.640 We had cheek and in dumplins. My grandfather went out 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:10.159 there immediately and killed that rooster and threw it in 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.840 the hey and cooked it. That's a good story. I've 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:17.520 I've got a Louin knucom story. So my grandfather's name 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.840 is Louin Nukem his pictures right there. That is Dad's father, 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:23.879 lou and Knucom. When I was a little boy, he 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.320 told me, and and this was a this story was 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:33.680 right with philosophical proverb. Okay, he told me that when 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:35.879 he was a boy. You remember this story. I know 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.040 you'll remember. Dad, he said, when he was a boy, 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.240 they had this big rooster, big old rooster. They got 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:45.000 a new rooster, a young rooster. The big rooster whooped 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:49.000 on the young rooster. The young rooster he became subordinate 0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:51.920 to the big rooster. Well, the young rooster grew up 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:57.280 and perhaps said he always knew that the young rooster 0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:01.080 could have whipped the old rooster, but ever did because 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:05.359 he thought he was the lesser of the two, he said. 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:07.800 One because chickens don't know how to look at the mirror, 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:11.520 he said, he said. One day, And I don't know 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:13.760 if he did this, or if his dad did this 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:17.040 or what, but I believe the story to bend him 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:21.159 to have done this. He covered the old chicken in 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:25.760 black wood ash to change its color, and then pitched 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:28.879 it out in the yard. And the young rooster sees 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:33.080 a new rooster and comes and just whoops. The fire 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.159 out of the rooster, and and he was trying to 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.600 tell me that to say, it's all in your head. 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:43.239 You know, you can do a lot more than you 0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:47.320 think you can do. Do you remember him telling that story. 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.840 He preached that to us. I'm telling you he told 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.240 me that story five times. I think he liked better 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:57.159 than no. Okay, So I was telling that about the 0:22:57.240 --> 0:22:59.920 guy that was given us a hard time, And tell 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.320 what you said, Dad, Dad called me another day. Well, 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:08.200 you know, this guy didn't like the captain story, and 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:10.680 and you know I could see where he was coming from, 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:15.520 but I didn't particularly like, you know, the way you 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:17.480 addressed him, even though it was it was very well, 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:19.560 and I was addressing him just in talking to he, 0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:23.199 like I never officially. Yeah. So anyway, Yeah, I just 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:25.960 told Clay, I said, you know, when you're dealing with 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:30.640 people that are coming at you from a negative standpoint, 0:23:31.160 --> 0:23:36.760 my experience working for forty years is you immediately agree 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:39.760 with him. You know, I mean I have seen so 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.359 many I've defused so many arguments by going, you know, 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:46.080 you're making a great point that they used to come 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:48.160 in my office and be so mad they couldn't even 0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:50.800 see straight. And the first thing I would did they 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.840 were dealing with people that would have gone, hey, man, 0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:56.960 this is the regulations, you know, and I would go, man, 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.760 I don't blame you for being mad, I said, I've 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:03.239 had something like you know, so you defuse them and 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.480 then you eventually tell them where they're wrong and they 0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.240 leave happy. And so when I look at this kid, 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:13.679 I thought, you know, it's ironic, but he believes the 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:19.720 exact same thing. You know, he he doesn't want the 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:23.840 animal rights people to take our hunting privileges. So I 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:27.520 mean he pretty much slapped down his reputation, his love 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:30.680 for bear grease. He laid it on the line. Man, 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:34.159 he said, I ain't tolerating this stuff. You know. He 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:38.040 misinterpreted the whole thing. He made a mistake. But I 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.800 saw that. I like this kid, you know what I mean. 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.560 He's got the right, he's got what you're fighting for. 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:48.760 He just misinterpreted this deal and carried it too far, 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:54.280 I thought, And I bet you Bill he's under thirty 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:59.880 years old. I'll tell you why. Because cancel culture is essential, 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:04.480 where if somebody does anything wrong to you, you cancel them, 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:08.280 just canceled done. And that that is kind of the 0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:12.240 modern trend where I bet he's on a thirty years 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:14.400 old could be wrong. Hey, the opposite side of that 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:18.159 is instead of attacking you, I mean, he could have 0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:20.280 done it in a way where where you know, I 0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:21.919 mean a lot of people don't like your shooting a 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:23.879 chicken with a boat. You know, well, how did my 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:26.400 grandfather kill that chicken? He's probably wrong as your neck 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.719 by the same thing. But so he should have been 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.879 supporting you. You should have been supporting him. No, it's wild, 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.280