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Speaker 1: Yeah. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. Gary,

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Speaker 1: is a sasquatch on your head? Is? Where'd you get

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Speaker 1: that hat? I'm not telling man, my people. I got

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Speaker 1: it from my That's a nice sasquatch hat. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Beargrease Render. Man, have we ever have we ever

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Speaker 1: got a show for you today? I've got I'll do

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Speaker 1: introductions as I usually do. Mr Brant reads, how are

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Speaker 1: you doing? I'm doing good. Good to see you. As

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Speaker 1: my grandfather would say, I'm good or and snuff and

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Speaker 1: I ain't near as dusty to your left. Mr lukeomas back.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, welcome back, Miss Nukeleliar. I'm good to be here.

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Speaker 1: I have no clever statement last time that I would

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Speaker 1: like to recant. Yeah, I said, definitely, wold like to rephrase.

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Speaker 1: I said you were supposed to be at the last

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Speaker 1: That was a misstep on my part, definitely, but it's

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Speaker 1: it's great to have you back. Thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: your left. Josh Landbridge stillmaker acquired man. Hey, you're just

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Speaker 1: but then Josh he also so he doesn't know what

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Speaker 1: So that was great. What was sad though, was I

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Speaker 1: that can find them an agriculture chickens in their life

424
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: six months, you know, all this, And then he goes,

425
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: and then I went down. He maybe had to go

426
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: to another country, or maybe the study was done a

427
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: long time ago. I don't him. And he said, cock

428
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: fighting chickens, they usually don't start fighting them till they're

429
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: two years old. So they've already lived three times the

430
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: amount of time that I confined an agriculture chicken would live.

431
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: And he said, they're fed incredible diets, and they they

432
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: get they have much more space. A lot of them

433
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: are raised in bigger spaces. This is not an endorsed

434
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: And the guy was like, Hey, I'm anti cock fighting, Like,

435
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: but I've got a question. Do you think this gentleman

436
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: that wrote in about the captain, if we covered you

437
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: an ash, do you think you whip your tail that's

438
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: a great way to get out of this car? No.

439
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: I really do being being inside the hunting community and

440
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: baiting bears and doing a lot of things that seemed

441
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: controversial to people. I love actually getting down to the

442
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 1: nitty gritty of the ethics of some of this stuff

443
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: because usually there's like big holes inside of the way

444
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: people think that if you just slowed down and looked

445
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: at a little different you'd be like, well, or fill

446
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: those holes up with information? Yeah, do a little research,

447
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: a little study, read a book. We are about twenty

448
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: minutes past when we should have stopped talking about chicken.

449
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: Chicken was making me hungry. I'm starving. Uh oh okay.

450
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: I did have a guy send me a picture of

451
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: a legit black panther, A white one, A white one. Yep,

452
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: it's called a It's not an albino, but it's a

453
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: lucistic panther. Uh. Animal has partial loss of pigmentation. It

454
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: isn't purely right. This they called a puma, but it's

455
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: essentially I'm not I'm not sure if it's the exact

456
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: same species as our mountain lions, but was found in

457
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: the Brazil's Atlantic rainforest and they've been getting truck camera

458
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: pictures of it. Supposedly this is from so I haven't

459
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: checked on the much more than just a quick service.

460
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: But hey, thanks man whoever sent me that. That was

461
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: nice not to get a black one. Still getting Black

462
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: Panthers photos by the day without any explanation. The Black

463
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: Panthers are literally sending him their selfies. Yeah all right, Josh,

464
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: you have a song for us? No, no, no, oh,

465
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: I forgot the funniest part. I forgot the funniest part

466
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: of the story of the guy that gave it was

467
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: a hard time about the Captain story. He gave us

468
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: five stars. I saw that he gave us five stars.

469
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: Remember the other guy was like the other guy was like, man,

470
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: this is this is the legendary podcast. Two stars. So

471
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: this guy that got onto us, he was like, Claire,

472
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm never listening to this again. YadA YadA, YadA. Five stars. Man,

473
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: you win something, you lose something kind of balances out

474
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: in the end. Yeah, you guys had some reviews you

475
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about though, didn't you. I've got one, okay, Yeah,

476
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: tell me what it is. Josh read it? Uh this guy,

477
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: I thought it was an excellent review. Uh the Bearded

478
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: Mystery Man. I knew this is probably the best podcast

479
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: to ever hit the digital airways. It's informative, interesting, humorous, challenging,

480
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: and so much more. I look forward to the release

481
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: every week. The main podcast is great, but the render

482
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: is next level. The group of panelists every other week

483
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: are some of the most entertaining humans on Earth, especially

484
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: that land Bridge guy. What a shining star. What I

485
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't give to have a face to face conversation with him.

486
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: Keep up the good work, Clay and meat Eaters. Yeah,

487
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna be dead. You wrote that in my mind

488
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: that it was a plan. Okay. I read it and

489
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I actually sent it to you right away,

490
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, this is like I'm thought

491
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: maybe one of your kids did it or something I

492
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: didn't know you did. This is Josh, this is this

493
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: is this is impeachable. Canceled, canceling, canceled, Josh, I felt good. Hey,

494
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: I got one so on Friday. The title of the

495
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: review is great Waste of time. It's from the Wild Archer,

496
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: and I'll just read the as long it's great, I'll

497
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: read the first. In the last sentence, he says, I

498
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: just want to take the opportunity to thank Mr Newcom

499
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: for such a spectacular waste of my time. He of course,

500
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: he's being a tongue in cheek, he's being facetious, but

501
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: he just goes on to talk about he just enjoys

502
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,239
Speaker 1: basically hanging out with us, and and he says, you've

503
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: ever driven through southwestern Wyoming on his way back and

504
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: forth to work, you'd be dozing through the boarding too.

505
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for wasting my time in such fashion. Clay and

506
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: guests and all the boys in the render. It's just fun.

507
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: But I say, I really enjoy coming and hanging out.

508
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: And it's cool that this gentleman is hanging out with us. Okay,

509
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: the Chicken thing. I don't look at iTunes reviews, but

510
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: I read that one. I pulled it up to read

511
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: The Chicken and we were in the car and I

512
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: just started reading them, a bunch of them out loud,

513
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: and we came to this one, and he said, I

514
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: honestly was not a fan of Clay when he was

515
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: on The Meat Eater. I thought he dominated the conversation

516
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: too much, and I just looked and said, the story

517
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: of my life. He goes on to say that he

518
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: loves this one, and okay, okay, all right, now give

519
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: it his own podcast. I love his take on on

520
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: issues and topics, great stories, and I like the render.

521
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: Keep it up. But it's pretty funny. Yeah. I love

522
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: it when people are trying to say something nice and

523
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: they started with telling kind of the baseline of how

524
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: they really hated you before. Here's the tip of the spear.

525
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: This is from Acorns five stars. Lots of Acorn talk.

526
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: Quicking to the point, quicking to the point. All right, dad,

527
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: did you have a review? Yeah, I have a It

528
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: was very short. I was gonna read through all of them.

529
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: In fact, I asked Judy to do it and pick

530
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: one out for me. But this thing was just real short.

531
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: And I read it and I thought, well, why I

532
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: read anymore? This kid titled it. I say, kid, you

533
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: know it could be old guy like me. He said, awesome,

534
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: I love the research, I love the information. Very good.

535
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mr Newkum something like that. But you know,

536
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: when you think about it, I listened to a few podcasts,

537
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: and I enjoy several podcasts, and Uh, my point is this,

538
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: this bear Grease is well researched, It is scripted. There's

539
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: so much time and depth put into it. That's why

540
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: he likes the research and the information. So that's why

541
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: I like it is because it's not just a bunch

542
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: of good old boys sitting around yepping, you know, which

543
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: I like that too. Nobody wants to hear that, but

544
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: but really so I compliment you on the work that's

545
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: put into it. What's interesting is that people say Clay

546
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: is a great storyteller. Well, guess what. When we're deer camp,

547
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: you know who I listened to most. It's not Clay.

548
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: It's not me. It's usually some of our friends that

549
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 1: are really great storytellers. But if those same people were

550
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: doing a podcast, you probably wouldn't like it too much.

551
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the research, it's the work. So whether

552
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: you're hunting, at your career, whatever you're doing, I mean,

553
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: the work pays off well, and and the add some

554
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: mask to really what he's saying. It's like we're reading

555
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: all this stuff, and people people say plays a good storyteller,

556
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: and me and Dad are like, oh, you want to

557
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: find a good story teller, We'll we'll me, We'll show

558
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: you a storyteller. It's not me. And and I'm being serious. Uh.

559
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: I was interviewed by a lady the other day for

560
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: something and I I She was like, Clay, how do

561
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: you tell stories? How do you formulate this in your mind?

562
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: How do you do this? You know? How did you?

563
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: And I mean, like, you know, she's saying, like, you're

564
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: a good storyteller, and I just said, I said, I'm

565
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: not a good storyteller. I know good storytellers, and I've

566
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: always rejected when people have said that I'm a good storyteller.

567
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: And I told her this, I said, because I reject

568
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: that because every time I've seen somebody that thought they

569
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: were a good storyteller that it corrupted him. M. I

570
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: mean like when you're at a campfire and you're the

571
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: guy that's stepping up to the plate to tell eighty

572
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: percent of the stories, Usually that's the guy you don't

573
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: want to hear talk. Usually it's the guy sitting in

574
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: the back that didn't saying anything that's really got something

575
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: to say. And what I kind of distilled my idea

576
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: of storytelling down is is that a good storyteller is

577
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: passionate about the story. I mean, it's not oratory skill.

578
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: It's not detail, because you could you could be trained

579
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: to tell a story, and there is there is some

580
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: skill involved in like actually learning how to tell a story,

581
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: but but a passion to tell the story for someone else.

582
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: And I think that's what fuels Burgher's like when I

583
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: talk about Roy Clark and James Lawrence and Daniel Boone

584
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: and these guys like, that's what I that's the dry like.

585
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: So I agree with Dad. It's not about good storytelling.

586
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: It's about wanting to get the story, that the truth

587
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: of the story out that. You know. What's interesting is

588
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: that if I had worded, if I had taken the time,

589
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: which I would not do, if I had taken two

590
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: or three hours and written this out, the bottom line

591
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: mine would have been exactly what you said. And here

592
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: I go to tell it and I forget that. You know,

593
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 1: so you don't forget stuff because you do the research

594
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: and you actually scripted. You know. I'm in a bowl

595
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: shop one day and this guy sees me walk in

596
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: and he tells his buddy he goes place son Man

597
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: is a great storyteller. You I'll go listen to him.

598
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 1: And I didn't say anything, but I thought, he's really

599
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: not a great storyteller. But really, deck Camp, he's not.

600
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: His storytelling on the Render is unbelievable. So any and

601
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 1: you think, well, okay, Gary, what you're saying, anybody could

602
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: do this, Well, no you can't. I can't. You gotta

603
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: have the love of the subject first. You gotta have

604
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: the desire to communicate it in a way to captivate people.

605
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: So I mean, it goes deep. And then you can't

606
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: just instantly turn it on. You gotta start reading. In allege,

607
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: instead of studying algebra, you go to the library and

608
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: study bear and then when you get your diploma, you

609
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: don't quit reading. You keep reading, and all of a

610
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: sudden you got a base of knowledge and knowledgice, power

611
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. So you know, he said it

612
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: all research, it's information, and that's why these are good.

613
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: Now the Render, oh my goodness, it's good too. The

614
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: people are hungry for stories. I think I think we're

615
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: at a time too in our just in the climate

616
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: of the planet where these stories of connection to the

617
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: land are resonating with people. Yeah, they really seem to be.

618
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: And I'm very, very interested in the identity, always have

619
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: been for a long time. I mean personal identity, but

620
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: also national identity. And that's why boone is so interesting. Hey,

621
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: Josh and Misty have a song, Cumberland Gap song. So

622
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: now we're gonna start talking about the Cumberland Gap. All right, Josh,

623
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: tell us what you're playing. All right, we're gonna we're

624
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: gonna sing a song here about the Cumberland It's David Rawlins.

625
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: David Rawlins so on the on the on the podcast

626
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: that was the Wayfarers song that was, which is an

627
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: old timey version of a song called Cumberly Gap. This

628
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: is a newer version, I mean a totally different songs,

629
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: but a new one. Yeah, okay, best you ready? We

630
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: have never played the song together. This is the part

631
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 1: I don't like about the Barrias podcast. We're just gonna yeah,

632
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: coming in. Gap is the devil of a gap. Crumbling

633
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: gap is the devil of a cap. Kiss me Mama,

634
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: kiss your boy, bless me well and lucky for I

635
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: won't be back to live return. I'm going to Kentucky

636
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: Cumberling Gap is the devil of a gap. That's what

637
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: the scouts all tell you. Sure enough, it'll make it

638
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: tough if it doesn't kill you, Kill you, Kentucky. She's

639
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: a waiting on the other side. Give you the beaver.

640
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: Put the daiyline in your rye. Brother John's already gone

641
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: with the boot of jerky maiden made the trip from

642
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 1: the bizard grip. I'd rather rest so Satan Comberland Gap.

643
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: She's the devil. Love a gap. O the snowcap coming.

644
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: Victor of a bon is back. Oh we love that woman.

645
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: Daniel stood on a pinnacle rock. You can tump it

646
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: down the mountain, took his trustee over. Daniel started shouting, shouting,

647
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: She's a waiting on the other side. Give you the beaver,

648
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: the deer in your eye. And cap is the devil.

649
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: Love a gap, comber then cap is the devil. Love

650
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: a cap coming? Then up is the devil. Love a

651
00:42:51,000 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: gap combling. Cap is the devil. Love a gap? Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome.

652
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: Really good man, that was awesome. You know what I

653
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: what I do love about I think I I like

654
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: things that attract the attention of multiple genres of life.

655
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: So the Cumberland Gap I can connect to a gap

656
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: in a mountain from a hunting perspective, because my whole

657
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: life we've talked about gaps and mountains that animals travel

658
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: through that we hunt, and then this gap is also

659
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: it's just so complex because this gap has become this

660
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: thing that was the gateway to the West for Daniel Boone.

661
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: It was super influential in the travel corridors of Native Americans.

662
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: Just super complex and so and by multiple genres, I

663
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: mean our just flocked to the Cumberland Gap. I mean

664
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: most of the people that I interviewed, even Josh, who

665
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: didn't know much about the Cumberland Gap. He knew that

666
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: folk singers wanted to sing about the Cumberland Gap. But man,

667
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: what did y'all think of the podcast? It was good.

668
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: It was it was full of information that I did

669
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: not know was it was it Uh, it was kind

670
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: of dense, it was very I actually had to listen

671
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: to it a couple of times because I got through

672
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: the first time and I was like, oh wait, I

673
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: missed a big portion of that. I've got to go

674
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: back and listen to that again. I think the I

675
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: think the part that I found the most interesting was

676
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: listening to the gentleman at the end, the Cherokee. Yeah,

677
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: what a what an interesting perspective. Yeah, it was. It

678
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: was neat to hear him talk because you know, I

679
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know why, but I think

680
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: a lot about Native American people in Native American history.

681
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 1: I find it really fascinating. I love the art and

682
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: just the the the tragedies that the Native Americans had

683
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: endured through. Um too, it would be very easy to

684
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: look at that period in history and be bitter. And

685
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 1: he was very you know, not not sweeping anything under

686
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: the rug, but at the same time saying, look, this

687
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: is the history that's brought us to where we are.

688
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: And uh and the the just the the value that

689
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: he placed on the exploration of Daniel Boone and and

690
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: while not negating the the normalcy of what it would

691
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: have been for Native Americans a thousand years before Daniel

692
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: man he uh, so there's I want to talk about

693
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: him talking about the land Bridge because he I specifically

694
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: didn't say land Bridge. I had I had another guy

695
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: right in and say, hey, quit disseminating false information about

696
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: the land Bridge. There was a time when the land

697
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: Bridge in in the passage of humans across the land

698
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: Bridge was like the prime a theory of how humans

699
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: got to North America. That theory has now been broken

700
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: up and there's been newer things that have happened, and

701
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 1: ultimately there's and I'm not an expert on all those theories.

702
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: I do know that there's a place called Cooper's Ferry

703
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: Deep in Idaho that supposedly has some of the oldest

704
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: human existence, which shows that potentially there was. It's it's

705
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: connected to water travel into North America, into the Northwest,

706
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: so like these people, you know, they're saying they came

707
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: over on boats. There's also evidence that down in South

708
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: America that humans have been there for way longer than

709
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: people than the stuff we see from the land Bridge.

710
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: So we'll do a podcast at some point on all

711
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: these different theories. But basically he was like, dude, Taylor

712
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: Keane was like, your land bridge story doesn't cut it

713
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: for the Cherokees. That Josh the land Bridge spillmaker was

714
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: soon gonna break up and go the way of the

715
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: old land bridge theory. Well, what about what about the

716
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: Cherokee story of where they came from? Do you do

717
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: you remember said with the blow darts that I was like,

718
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: what that blew my mind? And how okay, okay, the

719
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: reason that there's no more land bridge between Alaska and

720
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: Russia is because glaciers melted, sea levels rose, which would

721
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: have all kind of you know, he said that their

722
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: island flooded there in their stories, I mean, they didn't

723
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: just make this up after here in the science like this.

724
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: These are ancient stories and and big turtles are big

725
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: in their cosmology and anyway, so if that was the case,

726
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, he was saying, maybe they came in from

727
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: the west side, maybe from the east side um of

728
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: the gap. But yeah, I thought Taylor Ken's input was

729
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 1: it was incredible. It was my It was my favorite part.

730
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: And he didn't gloss over anything, and you didn't either

731
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 1: in the interview with him or talking to him. But

732
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: when he talked about you know that forever it was

733
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone, you know, as that was promoted as discovering

734
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: you know, the Cumberland Gap, when the Native Americans have

735
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: been rolling through there for you know, ten thousand years,

736
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,720
Speaker 1: are as long, could be as long as ten thousand years.

737
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: It was it reminded me of some old man I

738
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: used to work with about when somebody else would take

739
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: credit for something a job or or laboring that someone

740
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: else had done. And he would always say, you know,

741
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: that's kind of like we killed a bear, but Paul's

742
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: the one that shot him. Where the credit wasn't going

743
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: actually going. You know, I'm sitting here bragging about you know,

744
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: this this activity that we did, but really it was

745
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: these other folks over here that they did it. But

746
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: I was there. I was with him, yeah, but he actually,

747
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: you know why Europeans we weren't even there. I tried

748
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: to really paint the picture of what I have seen

749
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: painted for me. I mean, this isn't an original thought

750
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: that I had, but from the the books that I've read,

751
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: in research I've done, I mean, Daniel Boone was Daniel

752
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: Boone because of Indigenous people, Like that's what made him.

753
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: And that really is what distinguishes American identity from Europe.

754
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: Like if you really boil it down, like these people

755
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: came over with totally the worldview and ideology coming from Europe, Scotland, Ireland,

756
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: they came here and then they were so influenced by

757
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: Native Americans, especially the first people that got here, because

758
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: they had learned how to hunt. They had to learn

759
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: how to survive on this continent. And and then so

760
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: the Backwoodsman, the Frontiersman. Is this merging of English Western

761
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: views in Native American. This this this merging of it.

762
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: And what's wild is that today? And why I was

763
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: so interested in Boone is that today Boone's influence on

764
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: the American hunter is extremely notable, extremely notable. Um, Misty,

765
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: what was your favorite part? Well, I was gonna say

766
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: that whole last section. I thought you did a good

767
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: job telling this story from a lot of different angles.

768
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: And I thought that Robert Morgan did a good job

769
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: and kind of almost classic professor sort of instructing everyone

770
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: how to hear history and how to how to take

771
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: it in. And what I liked about the podcast is

772
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: that it did show, it did show multiple perspectives of

773
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: this of this piece of history. And I think that

774
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: right now when we went to we went to the

775
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: Cumberland Gap that's on the podcast, and we watched this

776
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: little video with the kids before we we hiked it,

777
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: and in the video they kind of just gloss over

778
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: the fact that Native American people were there first, and it,

779
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: you know, it just really kind of they were a

780
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: blip on the on the picture, and as we were

781
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: a hiking with that was one of my questions is

782
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: what what about that side of the story? You know,

783
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: you're we're celebrating Daniel Boone and we're celebrating him as

784
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: the person who discovered this, but what about what about

785
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: that that side of the story. And I think what

786
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: this podcast did a good job of doing is showing that,

787
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: and I think it's important to do that. Clay and

788
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: I were talking. I've taught some history classes for high

789
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: schoolers and one of the things that we have them

790
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: do before we that I've had them do before we

791
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: go into any type of histories, we just walked through

792
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 1: the building and do a little a little walk around

793
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: and then make everybody right down all the different things

794
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: that they did that they saw. And you know, the

795
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: people at the front might see someone in the hallway

796
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: who's gone into a room by the time the people

797
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: at the back around the corner, and so they would

798
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: not see that same person. And so the person at

799
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: the front of the line is going to say there

800
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: was someone at the in the hallway, and the person

801
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: at the back going to say the hallway was empty.

802
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: And we all tell the story and we agree, we

803
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: don't think anyone in the room is lying, and these are,

804
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, totally different stories completely, And we talked about

805
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: and the importance of understanding every what everyone sees. That

806
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: you don't actually know the full history of what happened

807
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: in that hallway unless we have all of our perspectives,

808
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: and that that's one perspective does not invalidate another. But

809
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,959
Speaker 1: until we have all the perspectives and really are looking

810
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: at history from all these different angles. So I like

811
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: that you did that, and I think it's important. I

812
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: think it's super important to have those different perspectives of it.

813
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: And Taylor Keens, so, you know, wonderful representative and he

814
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: knows a whole lot of the of the history, and

815
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: I think it's super cool, just on a practical level,

816
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: the oral tradition that they have as a people that

817
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: I we, you know, I would not say we have

818
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: as my family anyway, does not have that type of

819
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: of oral history. And I think those are real important

820
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,879
Speaker 1: components of of looking at history. So I really enjoyed

821
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: the podcast. Dan, What was your favorite part? Probably two things,

822
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: So one was the whole kind of the mechanism of

823
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 1: smallpox and how like you know, these European settlers came,

824
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: is this this wide open wilderness and just imagining the people.

825
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: You know, I think the Dr Keane said, you know,

826
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: I think if your hundred closest relatives and friends and

827
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 1: now all of you but five are gone. Yeah, that's

828
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: oh my god. I just didn't occur to me. And

829
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: the whole kind of narrative and story. And then the

830
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: other thing that really stuck out to me was the

831
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: right right before the very end where you read was

832
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: supposedly Daniel Boone's own words, John Philson. John Philson pound

833
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: that name into people. There's there's a couple of names

834
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: beside Boon that everyone's gonna know by the time they're

835
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 1: done with this, John Philson and Lyman Draper, John Philson,

836
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: John Philson was the one, and Ritchie John Philson Lionel

837
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: Richie and Lyman Drake got you so um No. So

838
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: Philson was the one in eighty four who wrote a

839
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: book about Kentucky. One single chapter in the book was

840
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: about Colonel Daniel Boone, who no one knew his name,

841
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: you know, No, he was just regionally famous, and then

842
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: that catapulted him. So go ahead, So when whenever Philson,

843
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: in writing in Daniel Daniel Boone's words, said, I can't

844
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: remember the exact phrase, but he in his mind what

845
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: was on the other side of the gap was a

846
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: second paradise. Yeah, this idea that out there there's something more,

847
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: there's something and just the whole you go out there.

848
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: And he was anxious and worried and and needed extra philosophy.

849
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: You know, he was kind of pushed to his limits,

850
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: but he was in search of, you know, the idea

851
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: of there's a paradise out there. Very I don't know

852
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: if it was a concerted effort. I don't think there

853
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: was like an American marketing team in the eighteen hundreds

854
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: that met together under some administration it was like, we're

855
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: gonna market the Cumberland Gap in the West as this.

856
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: But that's essentially what happened. Well, I think collectively, like,

857
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: are that that kind of part of American culture and

858
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: our consciousness. We wanted that, and so it naturally came out.

859
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: Think think about the direction of movement from where we came,

860
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: where what Europeans came from, and they would have been

861
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: coming from the only reason they left is because they

862
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: didn't like it where they were. So they were they

863
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: were leaving oppression, leaving poverty, leaving something and and just

864
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 1: moment think about momentum even in physics, like you start

865
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: moving a direction, it's hard to stop. So once they

866
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 1: came west and got to the colonies and then got

867
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: to America, there was this drive. And you know, he

868
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: talked about how Jefferson and Washington and all these leaders

869
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: of early America were like the West, the West, the West,

870
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: and I'll drop of state meant that you're here. In

871
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: part three, which nobody has heard yet, but Robert Morrigan,

872
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: he tells me that Jefferson said that the Ohio River

873
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: was the most beautiful river in the world, and he'd

874
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: never been there, but he was. And and he he

875
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: changed the entrance of one of his houses. The key

876
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: entrance was originally facing the east, and he changed it

877
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: to face the west. And these are the thought leaders

878
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: of this country. And so the idea, this paradise beyond

879
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: the mountains was just, I mean, had appeal that was unstoppable.

880
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: Daniel Boone really is the forerunner of manifest They were

881
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: just looking for somebody to attach that too. They were

882
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 1: they were looking for a hero. And then the artist

883
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: came in. You know, I started the podcast by talking

884
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: about George Caleb Bingham's painting and man, those in they

885
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: called them the Romantic artist, perhaps as the Enlightenment artists,

886
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: who um, they that picture it's not in here, it's

887
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: in the house right now, but oh it shows that

888
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: like the the landscape is dark and on ominous, and

889
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: the big dark rocks and and and silhouettes of trees

890
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: with no leaves. And then Boone's it's like he steps

891
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: into this beam of sunlight. His clothes looked like they've

892
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: been pressed, looked like Malachi Nichols, and he just looks

893
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: so stately and and and these guys were were influential.

894
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: I'll read what what was written about, um, George Caleb Bingham,

895
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: And so he was an influential writer or or artist

896
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: in early Americana. He was an early artist in early America.

897
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: And he said, um it said his paintings were a six.

898
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: He was a significant contributor to earlier American genre painting,

899
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: a significant contributor to early Americans. Genre painting were influential

900
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: and crafting and disseminating political ideologies and popular myths about

901
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: American national identity in the era of westward expansion. So

902
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: it's like everything was like going, we gotta go west, boys,

903
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: we gotta go west. And then Dee Boone goes west

904
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: and he's a hero, and he was this phenomenal person

905
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: and just the the American identity just latched onto him

906
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: in such a powerful way, which is which is pretty wild. Dad,

907
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: What was your favorite part of it? Well, the bluegrass.

908
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: You go through the Cumberland Gap, you don't know what

909
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna find, and you find the most beautiful place

910
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: on the planet almost, I mean, it's just wonderful. And

911
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: and uh they said somebody said it was almost a

912
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: miracle because there were no Indian tribes. There was nothing

913
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: negative there. Because they looked at it. It's what blood

914
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: something the country, dark and bloody they called it. The

915
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: Native Americans called the dark and bloody ground. That they

916
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: wanted it. You know, I might have misinterpreted the way

917
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: I looked at it. They wanted that ground for themselves,

918
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: all of them wanted it, and so nobody and so

919
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Danny Boy walks in and he goes, hey, man,

920
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: I believe I'll take over this problem. I mean, you

921
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: know that that's crazy. And the other thing that I

922
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: noticed is that if we had school teachers, Misty, the

923
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: if we had history teachers that could teach like this,

924
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine the interesting? And that's why

925
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 1: I think we all want to learn, but we don't

926
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: want to learn in a boring fashion. We want to

927
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: learn in a fun fashion. And and one other point

928
00:59:54,760 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: is through all this trauma, all this adventure, it's like

929
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: Boon would go, I think you might have alluded to it, Dan,

930
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: is that I'm content. Yeah, my my brother's left me.

931
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: I don't have a horse, I don't have a dog,

932
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: I don't have all my supplies. I'm going to get

933
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: bat dung for wanna for you know, gunpowder, gunpowder, and

934
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: and I'm happy. Man. I just look around and I go, wow,

935
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: So there you go. We'll see We're gonna explore that

936
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: a whole lot more in in the third podcast about

937
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: really where this idea of how we experience wilderness as

938
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: Westerners comes from. Dan and I talked about it quite

939
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: a bit, but you're referring to Boone's account of being

940
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: that in that first part of Kentucky Man. I thought

941
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: it was fascinating that Robert Morgan saw the connection between

942
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: Robinson Crusoe. That was that point clear, I mean just

943
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: about how like it makes total sense that he would

944
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: have done that like that, he would have he would

945
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: have posed his story in the terminology, the fashion, the

946
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: style of the popular thing of the period, and that

947
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: people read it and thought it was true, well Robinson cruizing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

948
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: exactly because they wanted it to be true. It fit there,

949
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: you know, just like you said, we wanted this and

950
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: so we attached it to Daniel Boone. They read Robinson Crusoe,

951
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: and of course that's true. Yea's what we Yeah, yeah, hey,

952
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: Clay one one last thing, it sounded to me like

953
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: there were hundreds and thousands of Daniel Boone. We just

954
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: happened to pick up on this guy. That's right, Probably

955
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: not hundreds of thousands. But that's the point that Steve

956
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 1: Rinella made so well, is that, yeah, there were lots

957
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: of guys doing the same stuff Boon did. And you'll

958
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: hear in podcast number three spoil Alert, the first time

959
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: Dan went into Kentucky, he met white guys over there.

960
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: He met he met white long hunters over there, and

961
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: so like he he certainly was one of the first

962
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: um but wasn't the first. So there's a lot of

963
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,479
Speaker 1: people doing this. Um no, man, if you go back

964
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: and listen to or read, you should go read. You

965
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: can pull it up on the internet. You don't have

966
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: to buy the book. You can pull up on the internet.

967
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: John Philson's you know, type in Adventures of Colonel Daniel

968
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: Boone and you can read the whole chapter in that book.

969
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: And um oh did golly Philson was a good writer

970
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: or Dan was a great speaker, one or the other.

971
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: He said, Philocity, Okay, they use a lot of words

972
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: that we're not familiar with. Pilocity. I haven't looked this up.

973
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm totally going off context clues. Essentially means like happiness.

974
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: Somebody felicity, felicity, felicity, felicity, felicity. Yeah, somebody look up

975
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: what that means. Because let's say I was right, then philosophy.

976
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: Velocity is not a word, Alex, will you check these people.

977
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: You've got some interesting space to pronounce things. Felicity f

978
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: E L I C I T Y felicity. He okay.

979
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: Boone said, felicity is intense happiness. Yeah. Yeah. Felicity is

980
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 1: the companion of content and is found in our breast

981
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: rather than an earthly treasure. He said that, and then

982
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: he said at another point, he said, never before had

983
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: I had greater need of philosophy and fortitude. Um. Yeah,

984
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: that's good. That's a really good line. Oh it was full.

985
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't able to write it all down. I wanted

986
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: to come in here and read it. But you can

987
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: listen to on the podcast. Um he said. He said,

988
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: he and Jon Stewart had a pleasing ramble. I'm going

989
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: to use that in the future for um No, but

990
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: just that was that was super fascinating to me that

991
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: Boon did that. Um. I did have some people that

992
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: were confused, and they would have been based upon what

993
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: I presented if they had no context for it. The

994
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: Cumberland Gap, there's a lot of different names. If you

995
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: remember when I was in the Cumberland Gap with my boys,

996
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: I called it the deer path was too, which is

997
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 1: the Shawnee. What the Shawnee called the gap. They called

998
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: it the deer path. Okay, so that's one. They also

999
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: called the whole mountain range was yoto, which meant area

1000
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: with a bunch of deer basically, um, the warriors path.

1001
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: So the Cumberland Gap, if you're standing in the Cumberland

1002
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: Gap on a trail, you're on the Warriors Path. But

1003
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 1: the Warriors Path is a long stretch of path that

1004
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: connected the Iroquois Confederacy to the Cherokees and basically man

1005
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: there were times and seasons when they just went to war.

1006
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, September one, Tomahawks boys and they just

1007
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: went down to their the you know, their rivals territory

1008
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 1: and just raised Caine. I mean. So they called it

1009
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: the Warriors Path because that was the middle ground where

1010
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: where they passed through. So the other thing that it

1011
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: was called by white people was the Wilderness Road. So

1012
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: if you were standing in the Cumberland Gap, are you

1013
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: on the wilderness Road? Yes you are. But the Wilderness

1014
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: Road went from Virginia maybe even up into Pennsylvania, and

1015
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: went down through the Cumberland Gap and into Kentucky and

1016
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: then back up even into Ohio. As I understood it,

1017
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: so Wilderness Road Warriors Path Wasioto deer path, and it

1018
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: was it was later called Boone's Trace because in seventeen

1019
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: seventy five n went back through and was the first

1020
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: guy with machetes and hatchets and men, saws, horses, to

1021
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,479
Speaker 1: cut a trail through the Cumberland Gap, and after that

1022
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: they called it Boone's Trace, so a lot of different names.

1023
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: And then the Highway se and then Highway twenty five

1024
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: and then why didn't they just take I forty man?

1025
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: I mean they could have come down like low and

1026
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: just miss this whole deal. So, I mean, you know, what,

1027
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: have you looked at it on topo mapp think about that?

1028
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: But as a history student, you know, I go home

1029
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 1: and study. You know, there's a lot of stuff I

1030
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: want to know. So you know, it's it's intriguing the

1031
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: way your history teaching is. It gets you really curious.

1032
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: I want to know how high the Cumberland Gap was

1033
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: compared to the rest of the mountains, how far they

1034
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: traveled through? You know, why didn't they go south? Why?

1035
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: You know, I mean the Cumberland Gap is feet in elevation,

1036
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: and it's it's not the highest point that's his highs

1037
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: mountains around here around Oh no, it's it's not. They're not. Yeah,

1038
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: you get the idea that like if if it was

1039
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: this impenetrable barrier, that it was like these huge ten

1040
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: thousand foot rocky mountains. Now the coume Ber the mountain

1041
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 1: I think is like in the two thousand foot range.

1042
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: But it wasn't just in and Robert Morgan said this.

1043
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't just a physical barrier. It was a geopolitical

1044
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: barrier because they were in the in the accent and pronunciation,

1045
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: did you hear me? Pronunciation? He said they were for

1046
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: bad to go across the mountains. Anybody catch him saying

1047
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: that they were for bad? Man he pulls out some

1048
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: old english man. That guy is the coolest guy, one

1049
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 1: of the coolest guys I've ever met. Um. But yeah,

1050
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: so that was that was the place where they couldn't

1051
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: go because it was French territory and Indian territory. And

1052
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: so it wasn't just that it was mountains. But the

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01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: other thing, when you're restricted by your feet, a horse

1054
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 1: and a wagon and carrying supplies back in there, all

1055
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the two thousand foot mountain that runs

1056
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: for two hundred miles is a pretty big barrier, you know, Hey,

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01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: Steve Ronilla's portion, Yeah, when Steve was talking about death

1058
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: and how closely acquainted the people back then where with death,

1059
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: And tell him the story of Daniel Boone coming back

1060
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: through his son's remains. I think that really stuck out

1061
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: to me and that was really good as well. Yeah,

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01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 1: I just thought I thought, it's it's it is. What

1063
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: he said there is that we do tend to underestimate

1064
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: how much death impacted these people, and you can do

1065
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: that either way. And I think both stories about the

1066
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 1: deaths that happened there that when he said that, when

1067
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: Taylor Keing said the part about imagine ninety five out

1068
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: of a hundred of your family members, and when Steve

1069
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: Ronilla kind of gave the narrative of of Daniel Boone

1070
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: going back and holding his son, that was I thought

1071
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 1: was really powerful and it really human I is every

1072
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:08,480
Speaker 1: really humanized him. Yeah. Man, see, I finished up episode

1073
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: three today, so I'm thinking episode three shouldn't wait till

1074
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: you hear Oh man, it's it's it. It to me

1075
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: is my favorite one because it really humanizes Boon because

1076
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: we basically do clean up and tell all these stories

1077
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: about him. Some of it involves his family, a lot

1078
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: of it involves his later life, but I think it

1079
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: really puts a bow tie on his life and you

1080
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: kind of seeing him as human. And yeah, I think

1081
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: the part about his family, and of course I live

1082
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 1: with you. And this has sort of been plays life

1083
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: for a little bit now, and he's he's shared a

1084
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: lot of these stories. But I think it's important for

1085
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 1: people to hear about Daniel Boone the family man and

1086
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: what what that that that version of what y'all think

1087
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: about historical revision or relativism. Do you think we handled

1088
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: that early? Definitely? I think you handled I mean, without

1089
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: a doubt. It seems like even in Daniel Boone, like

1090
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,680
Speaker 1: in the subsequent just decades right after him, revisionism was

1091
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 1: happening because they're using this mythical character that kind of

1092
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: became Daniel Boone to write and broadcast the narrative we

1093
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: gotta go west, we gotta do this. And so it's

1094
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: not like historical revisionism just started in the last decade.

1095
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: We've always been doing that. We're just maybe what about

1096
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: going back and looking at really bad stuff? That's that

1097
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: That was the point of what I was saying was

1098
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: that at the end of the podcast was you know,

1099
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: because the cancel culture of today is you find anybody

1100
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 1: that has any tarnish in there in their life and

1101
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: then you go cancel them. And today, if you if

1102
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 1: you did some of these egregious things. We're doing it

1103
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: right now. In a hundred years from now, they're going

1104
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 1: to be going can you believe what they were doing

1105
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and twenty. I mean, look at

1106
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: I think, I think you'll handle it very well. But

1107
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, to me, it's a it's but it's there's

1108
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: a lot of hypocrisy in that in my opinion, because

1109
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: it's so easy to pick on the other guy. Well,

1110
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: if you trace your genetics back, guess what your great, great,

1111
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: great great your bloodline was doing that, and if you

1112
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: had been there, you'd be doing the same thing. It's

1113
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 1: what I think, So you can cut that out. Well,

1114
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: that's that's that's just it. It's like, if you go

1115
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: back very far anywhere, you're gonna find egregious things because

1116
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 1: humanity has been on a track of I mean, in

1117
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: many ways you could say upward movement. There's some parts

1118
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: of the place that we've cleaned up. But we've got

1119
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: two girls in college now, and these are the types

1120
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: of conversations we've had a lot. It's our oldest was

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01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: here this year and she would go into history classes

1122
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: and come out and we would talk about sort of

1123
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,640
Speaker 1: the take and how the professors were handling all of

1124
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: all of history now because it's a tricky time to

1125
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: teach things. And and we talk a lot about cancel

1126
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 1: culture because I think that that that idea that we

1127
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: just evaluate people by their worst, the worst version of themselves,

1128
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:23,640
Speaker 1: the worst aspect of themselves, and never given opportunity for recovery,

1129
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: which we have no choice with these people who have

1130
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: been dead for a hundred years. I think are as

1131
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: a as humans and as in our family, we want

1132
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,839
Speaker 1: to be merciful. We want to be people because mercy

1133
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: has been extended to us, and so we want to

1134
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: always and we want our kids to have a growth

1135
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: mindset about life that you can always improve, and and

1136
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: that cancel culture really shuts that down because you are

1137
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,920
Speaker 1: judged and and it's current. I mean, people that are

1138
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: living are being canceled, and some of them you know,

1139
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 1: probably deserve and should have never been famous, never should

1140
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: have been you know known. But but the idea that

1141
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: you can't people can't change is such a tragic idea

1142
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: and such a I mean, it hinders any actual progress

1143
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: or growth from happening. So I think it's a real

1144
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: toxic mindset, and I think that's the importance of saying,

1145
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: let's tell all of the story, and both stories and

1146
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 1: all sides, because you can't judge a person by one

1147
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 1: aspect of their life, and you can say that's wrong.

1148
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: What they did here was wrong, and in in this

1149
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 1: with what we know now, we shouldn't do that. And

1150
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: surely there should have been some things that people should

1151
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 1: have never done. It's fair to say that is wrong

1152
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: and that should have been wrong back then as well.

1153
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: That that being true, I think that there's a real

1154
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: tendency right now to just shut people, cancel people out

1155
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 1: of of history because it doesn't match your what the

1156
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: standards we have now. I think it's a I mean,

1157
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: you said you're very passionate about identity, and cancel culture

1158
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 1: is essentially a faulty way of doing I didn't. It's

1159
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: a very convenient way to do I didnity. I can

1160
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: look at a person and if anywhere in their past

1161
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 1: or any connections and there, you know, doings they have

1162
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: these certain things, I get to just write them off. Um,

1163
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 1: but that's a very faulty way of doing identity because

1164
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: all of I mean, who does not have something in

1165
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: their past or back to what Gary, nothing I know

1166
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: all about it, Oh my gosh, because it's convenient. We

1167
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: don't do it because it's right, and it takes out

1168
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: the hard work of growth, and it doesn't provide an

1169
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: opportunity for people to change and to say, there's no

1170
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: incentive I did wrong. I'm so sorry. And that's such

1171
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: a powerful humility, such a powerful place, and a powerful

1172
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: opportunity to have. The other side is that these people

1173
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 1: are they're dead. They don't have the opportunity to say

1174
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: wow with this new information. I realized that when you've

1175
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: got when you've got one book and one chapter written

1176
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: about you, and we're making gross assumptions about someone's life

1177
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: without their ability to explain, it's it's a little too easy.

1178
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: Even after hearing Clay's own testimony about the heart behind

1179
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: his rooster treatment, I'm still canceling. People change, People change. Hey,

1180
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:27,519
Speaker 1: I don't do that, no more, not yet yet much.

1181
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: Oh well, hey, this has been really good. Guys. You

1182
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: know I had somebody right in and say I can't

1183
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: make up my mind if I love it or hate it.

1184
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 1: Every time you call him Dan during podcast, by legitimate

1185
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 1: internal controversy, you have once again polarized the nation. Oh man,

1186
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 1: gall you ain't talked about Pickles Gap. Pickles Gap, Yeah,

1187
01:15:56,120 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 1: North Conway. They got saltwater taff in chickens. Hey. The

1188
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: only negative thing about them rewilding the Cumberland Gap is

1189
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 1: apparently there was a real famous, cool, old uh like

1190
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 1: pit stop gas station up there somewhere right around the

1191
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: Cumberland Gap. That was somebody else tell me what it is.

1192
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,759
Speaker 1: But it was like, you know, scooters or spank E's

1193
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: or something, and it was like a hill billy hang out.

1194
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 1: It was a story. Well, hey, good render guys. Um yeah,

1195
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: episode three and we're done. We're done, We're out with

1196
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: the half. I'm I'm grieved though, I really am, I

1197
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 1: really am. I As I wrote this last one, I

1198
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: just it's like I wanted to stay. I wanted to

1199
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: stay here, but uh what we got move on other topics. Oh,

1200
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: and you know what the thing is is that you

1201
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,480
Speaker 1: can't listen to three hour and ten minute long podcasts

1202
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: and thank you really have the scoop on dB. We

1203
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: got a fourth nickname here, d. There's there's so much.

1204
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 1: There's so much, and so I hope that it catalyze

1205
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 1: people to you know, get Mr Morgan's book. And there's

1206
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: tons of other good. There's all the Boone biographies, you know,

1207
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:31,559
Speaker 1: there's this new one. I'll mention this new one. There's

1208
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: one out right now by Tom Clavin, Blood and Treasure.

1209
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: I've got it. Uh. The John mac ferreger one is

1210
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: probably right behind um Boons as known as a really

1211
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: good one. Um. This one's brand new. This one came

1212
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: out just this year. But anyway, I would highly suggest though, uh,

1213
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 1: the my father Daniel Boone, the Liman Draper, papers papers Man.

1214
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: That now, that is when it gets real when you

1215
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: start reading Nathan Boone talking about his Danny. But all right, guys,

1216
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: thank you so much. Keep the wild places wild because

1217
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 1: that's where Daniel Boone killed bears and stuff. Traveling music,

1218
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: please