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Speaker 1: What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky here,

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Speaker 1: and the draft is not too far away. We're inching

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Speaker 1: about today, Buck mayn we got a lot to talk about,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk to Jim Ross about all things wrestling

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Speaker 1: in football. Yeah, Jim Ross is gonna be a part

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson will not be a first round pick. Whoa

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson will not hear his name called on Thursday

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Speaker 1: They're not bold enough. They're not bold enough to say

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Speaker 1: someone that's kind of rugged in their approach, but we

430
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,639
Speaker 1: finally saw the light go off and he was a

431
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,480
Speaker 1: dominant player on the outside. DJ Moore has similar trace

432
00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:22,720
Speaker 1: to me when I watched him on take. The only

433
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,000
Speaker 1: thing I would challenge you on that is I think

434
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,800
Speaker 1: you got better hands and he just got more reliable.

435
00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,960
Speaker 1: But I see what you're saying in terms of the movement. Look,

436
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,640
Speaker 1: the guy plays inside outside. Um, you can watch him

437
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,920
Speaker 1: stem up corners. You watch the Texas game, You'll see

438
00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 1: everything you need to see. He destroys Texas in that game,

439
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,359
Speaker 1: which actually has a pretty good secondary uh yards after catch.

440
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,600
Speaker 1: You mentioned he can break tackles. He's elusive. The toughness

441
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 1: is the word I keep coming back to a d. J. Moore.

442
00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 1: That's what that made me fall in love with him.

443
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,639
Speaker 1: The other thing is catch the ball really well. Only

444
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 1: a three point six percent drop percentage, which is really low.

445
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 1: And he played in some bad weather games. So um,

446
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,760
Speaker 1: he's a really really good football player. And just again,

447
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 1: at this point in time, my kind of strategy is

448
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 1: when I'm going, you're in shorting these clumps of guys out,

449
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 1: A lot of times I think this guy is just

450
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,199
Speaker 1: a little cleaner, and so I tend to As you

451
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 1: get older, maybe it's something you get more conservative, buck,

452
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 1: I tend to. I tend to focus more on that floor,

453
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,640
Speaker 1: maybe more so than the ceiling, and just say, look,

454
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 1: I just I can hang my hat on this guy.

455
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 1: Know what I'm getting? Well, I know you, big baseball fan. Yes,

456
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 1: we lost. We lost yesterday, Pods one in five right now,

457
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,360
Speaker 1: a little tough start, alright. So here here's the thing.

458
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 1: We don't have good pitching, but we make up for

459
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Speaker 1: it with bad defense and bed hitting. So you wonted five.

460
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 1: So here here's my recipe. For good drafting and also

461
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 1: for good baseball. We got just hit and run singles

462
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 1: and doubles moving around the baseball station. Baseball, go, go

463
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 1: back to baseball ball. Yeah, small ball. We don't need

464
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: the big boppers and doing that. So when we were

465
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 1: separating these cluster busters and we're trying to figure out

466
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 1: the distinguishing characteristics or factors that separate one from the other,

467
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't think you can go wrong if you always

468
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 1: up for the smarter, tougher player. Those guys have a

469
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 1: tendency the play longer, this more so they can be

470
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: able to do multiple things for you. They're tough. That

471
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: means they're gonna compete, They're gonna endure it, They're gonna

472
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 1: handle the grind that pro football has become. And so

473
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 1: when you talk about cleaning it up, going for toughness

474
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Speaker 1: over everything else. Good teams have tough players. You know

475
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Speaker 1: the word that I hear and it's a popular book.

476
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 1: I'm sure a bunch of our listeners have have read it.

477
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 1: But the word that I hear more and more from

478
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Speaker 1: teams because we always talk about toughness, and you said grit.

479
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: It's the word that is the buzzword in scouting right now,

480
00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: and they want to know when you do these interviews

481
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 1: with players, the most the most popular question that they're

482
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Speaker 1: asking now is and we do it too. We talked

483
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Speaker 1: about a hardship, We do those three h questions. Tell

484
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Speaker 1: me a hardship. So they go along this line, Tell

485
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Speaker 1: me something difficult. You've a challenge you've had in your life,

486
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Speaker 1: and tell me how you overcame it. So you're dealing

487
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: with adversity, tell me that. Tell me a time when

488
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: you've had tough coaching, What what was said to you,

489
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: how did you react to it, and how did you

490
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: fix whatever was frustrating your coach? And just it's it's

491
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: getting specific examples of quote unquote yeah. And this all

492
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: stems from a study that Dr Angela Duckworth did great

493
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Speaker 1: if you haven't read it years ago, where she found

494
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: that students um who were grittier, who were more I

495
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 1: guess like tougher, had they've been through the resilience through

496
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: some stuff over talent. Grit over talent succeeds in today's

497
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: game of life. And so h she went and did

498
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: sometimes and sometimes with the cells to Peke Carroll a

499
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 1: lot talked about that they exchange philosophies back and forth,

500
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 1: and so what you have seen teams are operating off of.

501
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure you played for a number teams. I'm sure

502
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: you've heard this in the whole of will over skill.

503
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: Our will would defeat their skill. Our toughness, our tenacity,

504
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:57,320
Speaker 1: our physicalness, our resiliency, all of that stuff, sticktuitiveness, all

505
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: of those things will overcome the lack of talent that

506
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Speaker 1: we me and have in comparison to some others. When

507
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: we're stacking up these players, it's easy to fall in

508
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 1: love with the more talented guy, but really is what

509
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: is on the inside, what makes them tick? How are

510
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: they wired? Are they wired to always succeed and achieve?

511
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: Those are the guys that you want to have on

512
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Speaker 1: your team. Because the other buzzword that we're here, especially

513
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Speaker 1: after Villa Nova one, what is your locker room like?

514
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: Do I have enough of those blue color guys in

515
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: the locker room that embrace the process, embrace all the

516
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: things that you have to do to win. So yeah, grit, culture,

517
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: all those things. Polay. So when we're evaluating these guys,

518
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Speaker 1: toughness over talent, to me is what I'm leaning on

519
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: when they're closely graded. The other thing that I wrote

520
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: down here is character, competence, competitiveness. Those three cs. You

521
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: kind of focus on that area. Now. The challenge that

522
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: we have on the media side of things versus the

523
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: team side of things. We don't get all that information,

524
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: don't get all the information, don't really get a chance

525
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Speaker 1: to get to the kid enough to be able to

526
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: find out, don't get enough examples from when you're on

527
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Speaker 1: the school call where you talk to multiple people that

528
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: kind of paint the picture for who the kid is.

529
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: You can see some things off tape. You can see

530
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: it even better when you go to the single bowl

531
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: than wash them practice. But that's the one thing that

532
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: we can't fully unearth when it comes to their toughness,

533
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: their competitiveness, and how gritty and competitive they are. When

534
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: is when the chips are down before we get to

535
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 1: this fun interview here coming up, Why don't we, uh,

536
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: I want to go through quickly here just the offensive line,

537
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: just kind of the top guys. We can just kind

538
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: of uh go over them real quick in terms of

539
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: how you like him buck and how you have them

540
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: stacked compared to where I have And why don't we uh,

541
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Speaker 1: let's just start with the top. Let's go at the

542
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Speaker 1: top three centers here, which I have is James Daniels

543
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: from Iowa number one, Billy Price number two. Um, then

544
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Speaker 1: I have Frank rag Now from Arkansas three, Mason Cole

545
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: for any any major complaints, No major. I go back

546
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: and forth with Daniels and Price, like when I looked

547
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: at Price on tape, like, both of these guys are

548
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 1: really really good. Daniels is outstanding movement skills in terms

549
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: of a center centator that can pool, can get at

550
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: the second level, can move around very active Price. I

551
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: love his movement skills and I just love how I

552
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: feel like he has a little more nastalist than Daniel.

553
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: I think I had those guys touching on the board.

554
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: So the grade is the same. And rag Now I

555
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: just thought rag Now solid. I felt like now is

556
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: the one. I feel like I'm low one, like I

557
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: wasn't a huge rag Now guy. But you talk to

558
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: people around the league, and this again goes into people

559
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: that have gone into the school, character off the charts,

560
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: been through some things, father passed away. He's just tough

561
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Speaker 1: and he's smart and he's reliable. I don't think he's

562
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: a he's a great athlete. He's I don't know, I

563
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: just I just used there, But I just think there's

564
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Speaker 1: some separation between those two that next year, I think

565
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Speaker 1: I think those guys at the top of the charts,

566
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Speaker 1: no question. So that's where we had the centers. There,

567
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Speaker 1: we get to the guards. Let me just go through

568
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 1: the top five guards that I have here a buck

569
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Speaker 1: and tell me if you if you differ, if I'm

570
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: missing anybody. Quentin Nelson one, Will Hernandez to Connor Williams

571
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: from Taxes who played tackle projecting him inside the guard. Three,

572
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: Isaiah Win another tackle to guard projection is four, and

573
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: then Austin Corbett another tackle to guard projection uh is five.

574
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Speaker 1: Those are my top five interior guys. I mean, I

575
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Speaker 1: can't take any major issue with any of it. The

576
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Speaker 1: only one that is, um that I hadn't necessarily put

577
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: on my list was Conna Williams because I just kind

578
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: of stuck him outside and the left him outside, but um,

579
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: you starting to make a good point for him to

580
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: be inside and being considered as a guard when you

581
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: just think about how you played against something you guys

582
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Speaker 1: in the Big twelve, uh, Quinn Nelson, I think the

583
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: separation is huge between he and the other ones. Uh

584
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: will Hernandez has continued to rise up the charts as

585
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: more people digg into the tape and dig into the

586
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl because I think he really needs his money

587
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. The tape is the tape. But

588
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl he was dominant, didn't give up penetrations,

589
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: man handled in all people. Um, I think he's worthy

590
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: of being number two. H Williams. We talked about Isaiah win.

591
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: Win is interesting because trying to find the right spot

592
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: from playing guard, played tackle, played darn well at tackle.

593
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: It's just the reason why everybody's pushing him inside to guard.

594
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: He's six oh two six, so he's under six three.

595
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: You just rarely see guys like that that you know,

596
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: Calvim beat him is maybe the one guy I think

597
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: that's under sixth three that's it's played tackle recently. You

598
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 1: don't see it. And they just kind of predisposed to

599
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: have problems because like the size and life, the size

600
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 1: to let they get in him, can't can't necessarily keep

601
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: him at bay and they have a tough time. But

602
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: he's a really good player. He's smart as a whip,

603
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 1: he can do multiple things and the more things you

604
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: can do, the quick it is to get you a

605
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: jersey and to guarantee that you can be on the field,

606
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: no question. Um, let's uh get to the tackles. By

607
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: the way. I don't know where you stand overall in

608
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: this time. I think it's I personally think it's one

609
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: of the worst tackle groups. It's not I mean, it's

610
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: not it's not great. I think you can make, uh

611
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: a pretty safe and reasonable assessment that there's not an

612
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: offensive tackle that's really worthy of a first round. Great,

613
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: they will go in the first round, but no one

614
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: that we would say and other use would be a lockdown,

615
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: surefire first round. I only have two offensive tackles in

616
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: my top fifty, which is crazy, but that's where I

617
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: have them based off grade. And now I have a

618
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: bunch of other guys in that kind of next tier.

619
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: Actually it's a decent group in that next tier. But

620
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: I think all these guys can get pushed up and

621
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: get overdrafted. I have McGlinchey from from Notre Dame is

622
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: my top tackle at thirty one, and Tyler Crosby for

623
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: me from Oregon is number two. So that's my top

624
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: two guys in the top fifty. Then after that you've

625
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: got Colton Miller, You've got Orlando Brown, Brian O'Neil from

626
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: pitt Um That's that's kind of that next crew. Guys

627
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: Martinez ranking from Mississippi State, that's that next next tier. Yeah,

628
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: this is a tough class we evaluate because they're there

629
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: aren't any blue chips, there are any quote unquote stars.

630
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: But your team in need of attacker, you have to

631
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: take want to find a way to development. How do

632
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: you get that done? Uh? Is that um a situation

633
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: where you have the time in the capital to really

634
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: invest in it. I just I just think it's a

635
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: very tricky position because the expectations are gonna be huge

636
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: because you can bring in the first round guy and

637
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: seas developmental. But you know, and I know your fans

638
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: want to see the number one pick have an opportunity

639
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: to play so young, young, young offensive line. We're gonna

640
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: have to play with goss of the inexperiencing issues coming

641
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: from the spread, no question, all right, but this is

642
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Speaker 1: this is a part of the pot I've been looking

643
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: forward to the most. Here I've got w W E.

644
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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame announcer Jim Ross joined the show here

645
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: and and Jim has been a big Oklahoma backer and

646
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: fan and has follow this program forever and knows these

647
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: players inside. Now, Jim, first of all, thank you so

648
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: much for taking some time in a big week for you,

649
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: I know with WrestleMania coming up here, UH to talk

650
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: about Baker Mayfield. First question for me is when was

651
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: the first time you met Baker or even heard of Baker. Uh?

652
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: I heard of him as a freshman at Tech. Uh

653
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: even though that apparently their administration of football team that

654
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: had not heard of him. It's only the Big twelve

655
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: freshman of the year. But then I have a sideline,

656
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: uh access one of those jocks, stiffer celebrity guys, and

657
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: uh I was on the sideline when he was red shirting.

658
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: So good kid. I got to know him very well.

659
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: And uh, I can give you a lot of good

660
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: stories about Baker. He's he's a he's a he's a

661
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: real keeper. How unique is that story to go from

662
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: being a guy that was a pretty good player in

663
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: Texas Tech two deciding to walk on at Oklahoma without

664
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: announcing to anybody that he was coming. What does that

665
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: say about him as a player, as a person. I

666
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: think it says a lot, Bucky, I think it says

667
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: a lot. And people to compare him incessantly to Johnny

668
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: man Sell are foolish. Uh And I just I can't

669
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: believe that. Arnie Land to me one time, it is

670
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: a fool that looks upon the skills of a wise

671
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: man and calls it luck. Baker Mayfield eight luck. He's

672
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: a player, He's a kind of guy. You want the

673
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: Fox Hill with you? And uh, great heart, good kid.

674
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: I I think somebody's gonna go to my health player,

675
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: no doubt. One of the things we do look with

676
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: long time scouts. So I'm curious the job you've done.

677
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: You might be the best scout and wrestling history. The

678
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: guys you've been able to find from the football field

679
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: and then convert them over to wrestling guys like the

680
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: Rock What what did you see in them? I know

681
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: he had a background there in the business with his family,

682
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: but can you glean anything from the football field that

683
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: you can directly correlate to being a good wrestler. When

684
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: I recruited UH future wrestlers from football programs, you find

685
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: that you have several sources of background information. You can

686
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: talk to the head coach position coaches, frank coach, academic advisor,

687
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: all kinds of people that can give you feedback on

688
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: the character, the work ethic, and the commitment of these players.

689
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: I found John Cena at Springfield College. He was He

690
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: was a small college All American center, captain of the team,

691
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: and a weight room freak. He also graduated, so he

692
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: had good grades. He had a degree, he was a

693
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: captain of the team, he was an All American. So

694
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: why the hell wasn't I recruit a guy like that?

695
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: Dwayne Jonson to say, well, you know, the rock was

696
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: six four or six five to seventy when I had

697
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: lunch with him the first time. First lunch, every woman

698
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: in the restaurant came by the superie wand and board

699
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: to ring and a lot of didn't work there. I

700
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: just want to get close to the to the rocks. So, uh,

701
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: there's a field thing. But there's checks and balances that

702
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: the game of football provides us as participates in players

703
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: and fans that are all uh if you can always evaluate.

704
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: So it's it's a cool thing, man. I I love

705
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: checking those guys out on the football side, and and

706
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: some of the biggest stars in wrestling, Stone Cole Steve Auston,

707
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: deepest of it in North Texas, uh Oakla almost had

708
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: cerebral wrestlers Bill Wash, Danny Hodge, uh wal who McDaniel.

709
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: So it's just a cool thing for me because I

710
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: you know what football players have made up. Guys, you

711
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: guys know better than I do. But I have so

712
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: much confidence in respect for that game that I found

713
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: some great wrestlers from that world. You know, it's funny,

714
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: this is so full circle because being draft rooms, we

715
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: always gave bonus points. I mean we have ray Lewis

716
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: Whiles with the Ravens was a fantastic wrestler. Roddy White

717
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 1: I remember him coming out as a receiver even had

718
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: a wrestling background. We give guy bonus points on the

719
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: football side for being wrestlers, and it sounds like in

720
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: the wrestling business you give guys a little bonus points

721
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: for being football players. Absolutely. Well, you want to know,

722
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: even though wrestling is a performance art and I'm sure

723
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: some people are rolling their eyes Tod Jr. Say art

724
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: and describing a pro wresting event, Yes, but the deal

725
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: is is that there's so many things that you want

726
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: those people to bring to your locker room. And if

727
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: you've been a good locker room guy, you've been a

728
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: good team guy, you good in the locker room community,

729
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: then I believe that you'll have the same opportunity for

730
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: my locker rooms. That's kind of how I looked at it.

731
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: We just did all the all the fact that checking

732
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: and all the background stuff, and it's just we've got

733
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: some pretty good guys out the game of football, and

734
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: right now it's no different. I don't know why Asians

735
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: don't contact w w E when their guys football run

736
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: is over and and see if they can't use that

737
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: big personality and the athletics skills and make them sell

738
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: some real money and maybe get discovered like Dwayne Johnson did.

739
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: Who's not doing bad, right Jr? I think you just

740
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: get an idea for our new consulting business. It's gonna

741
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: be the three of us here. We're gonna put this

742
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: thing together, make a little extra scratch on the side.

743
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: What do you say? I'm in last question before I

744
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: let you go. If uh, if you want to give

745
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: Baker a name, can we give him a nickname? If

746
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: we wanted to give him a wrestling name, can you

747
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: give us one. I'm putting you on the spot here

748
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: before we before we run. But I just think he's

749
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: got so much charisma, so much personality, so competitive and tough.

750
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: I just don't know if I have a good wrestling

751
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: name for him though. Yeah, maybe the sensational Sooner. Oh,

752
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: here we go. I think you just might have titled

753
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 1: the podcast for us that. Look, we can't thank you Jr.

754
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. I know this

755
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: is a crazy, hectic week for you. It doesn't get

756
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: any bigger in your business than this week. And for

757
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: you to take some time for us today to talk

758
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: about Baker. Uh, we can't thank you enough. He's a

759
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 1: good kid. Guys again, Uh, great mom and dad. Mom

760
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: and dad are still married, they're stilling the home together.

761
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: People may say, what does that mean? Well, it makes

762
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: a lot of difference quite frankly. Uh, but he's a

763
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: good kid. He ain't Johnny man Sail and look, I

764
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: don't know what John I don't know Joe in Mansell personally.

765
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: I know make some stupid decisions. Bakers made some bad decisions.

766
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: But someday we're all having a beer. I'll tell you

767
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: about my time getting arrested at eighteen in Portsmith, Arkasas

768
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: for minor possession of untaxed beer. So there's as good

769
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: for you. It's phenomenal. We're gonna talk about that when

770
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: we're putting our consulting business together. They appreciate guy. Thank

771
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: you so much. Have a great weekend. Thanks Pelas Buck.

772
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: We've had some We've had some good guests on here.

773
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Look, as a kid, I was a

774
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: big wrestling fan. I haven't kept up with it as

775
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: I've gotten older. I'll be honest with you, but I

776
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: obviously unfamiliar with j R. And UH, and that was

777
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I knew he had inside. I

778
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: talked to him on the sideline at Oklahoma games in

779
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: the past. He knows that program inside. Now he definitely

780
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: knows that program. I think it was remarkable to hear

781
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: him discuss like Baker Mayfield and comparing him UH to

782
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: some of the w W wrestlers or some of the

783
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: wrestlers of the past, and the fact that he pulled

784
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: out the nature up in North Carolina that's up north

785
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: like because it is all Baker Mayfield. It's all X

786
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: just swag, extra stuff, um everything. So it was great

787
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: to have him all. He definitely provided a different insight

788
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: and perspectible and Baker may Yeah, and this is you

789
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: just heard a portion of the conversation today. There's much more.

790
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: It's going to be included in our Baker Mayfield three

791
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: sixty which Sully again that is dropping next week. I

792
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: believe Sully's working. He's working hard back there next week

793
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: for Baker right next week Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday. So

794
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: be on the lookout for that. Um. I also thought,

795
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: by the way, pretty pretty interesting that the the position

796
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: of scouts where we're looking for wrestlers with the wrestling

797
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: background for his football players, and he's looking for football

798
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: players for for the wrestling. I got one for fun.

799
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: I think if Harrison Fellips after a few years, the

800
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: NFL has nothing to do. I mean, he's a smart kid,

801
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: Stanford guy, but big time wrestler, big time wrestler, four

802
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: time state champ, that might be the next next next rock.

803
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: We've got one. But that was fun. And look, it

804
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: seems like a million years ago we were doing the

805
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: other discussion the pod today, but we covered a lot

806
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: of ground buck, it was a lot of fun. Um.

807
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: We've got we've got videos that folks can check out

808
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: as well, right, Yeah, we have the perfect parents, uh

809
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: a f C and NFC East that we took care of.

810
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: Uh that should be fun. That a post later on

811
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Speaker 1: and then you can go back and look at all

812
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: of our stuff. We have so much stuff that is available.

813
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: We got a three sixties series that's posting. We have

814
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: some of the other videos that we've done, so check

815
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: it out. There's a rumor I heard, by the way

816
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: that the like the best of clips of the three sixties,

817
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: which is about like six seven minute clip for each one.

818
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: Trust me, you want to listen to the to it

819
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: in its entirety, but if you don't have much time,

820
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: you just want to get a little snippet and learn

821
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: some about some of these top guys. There's a rumor

822
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: going on we might have a little location location Uh

823
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: you could. I'll tweet that out later at Sully vall

824
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Speaker 1: Or and and I'll tag and uh, well we'll tweet

825
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: out the full playlist of all the best stubs of

826
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: the three sixties so far. Yeah, but this was a fun,

827
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Speaker 1: fun episode today, good one. Absolutely all right, let's get

828
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Speaker 1: out of here. This is uh this has been moved

829
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Speaker 1: to sticks. He's Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah Sully doing

830
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Speaker 1: work behind the glass back there, so I can't put

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Speaker 1: in the electric time back there as well. Prey shade

832
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Speaker 1: his efforts. That's gonna do it for us. We will.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time. Thanks for downloading Move the

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