1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to the Therapy Gecko podcast. Today's episode, 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: we're doing gek mail. Gek mail is a thing where, 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, normally on this podcast, people will call me 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: on the phone and I'll have conversations with them about stuff, 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: and it'll be a dialogue. But this time, I'm reading 6 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: emails that people have sent me. And I have a 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: special guest on today's episode. I am down in Georgia 8 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: visiting my father, and I decided, I was like, you 9 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: know what I've mentioned, I'm trying to get more guests 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: on the podcast, and you know what, screw all the celebrities, 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: screw all the you know whatever. I had. I had 12 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: my sister on, and now today I have my father on. 13 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: I was happy to interrupt my nap to be on 14 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: your podcast. 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: I was happy you could interrupt your nap too. I 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of times where I'm like 17 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: talking on this podcast and I can like hear. This 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: will be interesting for me because there's a lot of 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: times where like I'm talking on this podcast and I 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: can hear in my own voice that I'm talking similar 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: to you. So the audience will now be able to 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: tell me if that's true. 23 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: That happens all the time to me where I'm talking 24 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: and I feel like my father is talking through me 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 2: all the time. That happens. Really, yeah, it's very and 26 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: I think it's actually pretty common in the world that 27 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 2: people channel their parents, first of all through genetics and 28 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 2: then you know, just through orientation. You know, I was 29 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: thinking about this the other day. Actually, I was thinking 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: about this yesterday when you and I'm pretty open with 31 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: you about things that happened in my life and how 32 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: I feel about things and what I do. And there's 33 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: multiple reasons for that. One reason for that is I 34 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: love you, I trust you, I feel very close to you, 35 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: so it's just natural to have that kind of interaction. 36 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: But there's another kind of a parental reason that I 37 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: do it, which is, you know, at this stage, you're 38 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 2: totally in adults. You make all of your own decisions. 39 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: You come and go and do whatever makes sense to 40 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 2: you in your vision of the world in your life, 41 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: and I completely respect that. So you know, the parent 42 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 2: child roles don't disappear. So the question is what can 43 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: I do as your parents that would add value for 44 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: you and to me just being totally transparent with who 45 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: I am and what I've done and why I've done 46 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: them gives you an opportunity to say, Okay, this is 47 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: I could have a complete model of how I want 48 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: to be as as I moved through life, or how 49 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 2: I don't want to be as I move through life. 50 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: And I can't imagine a better thing to give you besides, 51 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: you know, bequeathing you all of my worldly possession. It 52 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: will happen at some times. 53 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: Well I hope it doesn't happen for a long time, 54 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: but no, I appreciate that because I feel like the 55 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: it's interesting to say you channel your father through yourself, 56 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: because yeah, I also feel like I like, like, am 57 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, similar to you in many ways because I 58 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: have your genes and so to hear when you're you know, 59 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: transparent with me about your life and you know whatnot, 60 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: I feel like I get more clarification on like my 61 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: own brain because I'm talking to someone who genetically has 62 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: a similar brain to me. And to see how like 63 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: your life plays out and how your thoughts and your 64 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: feelings play out, it it's it's it's very helpful. It 65 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: is it is far more helpful to me than all 66 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: of your worldly possessions. 67 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, you know, people who don't have 68 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: children one hundred percent legitimate lifestyle choice. Yeah, no criticism 69 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 2: of them at all. Yeah, But when you have a 70 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: child and you participate in that child's life and you 71 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: see him or her grow up, you start to recognize 72 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: in that child pieces of yourself. You know that that 73 00:04:54,640 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: that you have passed on, and then you somewhat recognies 74 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: parts of your parents that are also reflected in the 75 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 2: child and in yourself. 76 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: Interesting and think about that. 77 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: And it gives you a much I feel deeper understanding 78 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: of yourself in the world. You know, when you see 79 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 2: when you see characteristics and traits in your child and 80 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 2: in your your parents that you may have thought was 81 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 2: within you as well, And it does give you a 82 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 2: fuller understanding of yourself in the world. 83 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: Right, Like you made a copy of yourself and you 84 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: sent it out into the universe and now you're seeing 85 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: how it's doing things and then you're like, uh, yeah, 86 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: they can give you more perspective on. 87 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: Right, especially when you when you see those traits reflected 88 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: in your parents, those because those traits that that carry 89 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 2: through three generations. I mean, that's that's deep characteristic. 90 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: Do you see any similarities between me and your dad, 91 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: Oh my god, so. 92 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 2: Many what well, you know, one of the things my 93 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: dad was really really good at was going into places 94 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: where he didn't know anybody, it was a strange and 95 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: alien place, and make himself and the people he was 96 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: with feel comfortable. He was really skilled at sales, and 97 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 2: part of that was his ability to make himself comfortable 98 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: in unusual in different situations, and make the people he 99 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: was with feel comfortable, you know, in that situation and 100 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: with him. And I mean, I think that's something that 101 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: you are very gifted at. I appreciate that, as is 102 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: evidenced by all of the things that you've done professionally 103 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: over the last half dozen years. 104 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Hmm hmmm. 105 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: And it and it suggests to me that and it 106 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: prompts me to consider whether I have that characteristic. 107 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: Of course you have that characteristic. 108 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: You know. And so so, why do we care what 109 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: we're like? Why does it matter that we know what 110 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: we're like? It matters because if we could recognize things 111 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: in our selves that are our real parts of us, uh, 112 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 2: and we want and we like that, we can lean 113 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: into that in the in the things that we do 114 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: and we could be more successful in our lives, in 115 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: our relationships, in our careers, in our you know, social life, 116 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: in our hobbies, in our creative pursuits. You lean into 117 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: your strength. 118 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the thing about like, that's why the 119 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: self knowledge is helpful, because well sell like self awareness 120 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: of like your self awareness, I feel like like introspection. 121 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you have this too, but like, 122 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like I get too introspective for my 123 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: own good, that I'm like like living in my head 124 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: instead of like in the world, you know, like analy 125 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: like thinking it Like, do you ever feel like thinking 126 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: about yourself too much? 127 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 2: Nose? No, to me, that's not a problem unless I'm 128 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: having destructive self talk. 129 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: Oh of like, oh I'm not good. Like unless if 130 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: you're built, like you're building a narrative of yourself where 131 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: you suck. 132 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. But otherwise, you know, your thoughts, you 133 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: could have just wonderful thoughts about yourself and how you 134 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: fit into the world. And I don't see a problem 135 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: with doing that unless you have destructive self talk. 136 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: How how often are you having destructive self talk? At 137 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: the age of sixty six? Every day, every day, every 138 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: day It hasn't gotten easier over time? Have you gotten 139 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: better at dealing with it? 140 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: I have gotten much better at dealing with it, because 141 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: you know, when you get older, like I just retired 142 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: a year ago, and you know, as a younger person, 143 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: I had certain specific dreams and goals, and then my 144 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: life changed and I focused on different dreams and goals. 145 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: And now that I'm older, and all of that is 146 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: behind me, and the activity of having dreams and goals 147 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: is not behind me. I still have them. 148 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: I say, you be, the specifics of them. 149 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: Right, But the specifics of them. I can now look back, 150 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 2: and you know, to a certain extent, my life has 151 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: book ended a little bit, you know, and I can see, well, 152 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 2: all right, I wanted to do that. When I was 153 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: seventeen years old, I made different choices when I was 154 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: twenty three years old. Why did I make those choices? 155 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: What was it about me that made those choices? And 156 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: that's where you might say, well, why bother? Why bother? 157 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: And that would be a legitimate response. 158 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: Why by the analyzing? 159 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, why bother analyzing? But you know, again a lot 160 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 2: of it comes down to understanding who you are and 161 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: what you're good at and leaning into it. Or what 162 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 2: you maybe could use a little improvement at and focus 163 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: on improving those areas. 164 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: So what was it. So when you were seventeen, what 165 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: was your dream? 166 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: Oh? I was I went out to California to become, 167 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: you know, a film director. And you know, and I'll 168 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: tell you in stages, I moved away from that at 169 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: various times. 170 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: Like it happened slowly. 171 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 2: It did happen slowly, And it happened before I ever 172 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: really liked put my heart and soul into doing the thing. 173 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: Oh, before you ever put your heart and soul into 174 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: doing whatever it was you were doing. 175 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you know. I remember, I have a I 176 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: have a really good friend who his name is Fred Decker, 177 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,359 Speaker 2: and I and I drop his name because I admire 178 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: him tremendously and anybody wants to look him up. He's 179 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: had a very interesting career as a filmmaker, as a filmmaker, 180 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: as a writer. And I remember I was at UCLA 181 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: and he had reserved a sound stage to make a 182 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: short movie. And I remember walking by it and looking 183 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: at it and and having this feeling that I don't 184 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: see myself in that environment. That's that's not the right 185 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 2: place for me. Yeah. So but and then I kind 186 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 2: of like let that go. And then I I work 187 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: after I graduated from UCLA as a waiter at Bob's 188 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 2: Big Boy restaurant, and I was going to write a novel, 189 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: and as I was writing the novel, I was thinking, 190 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: I'm not feeling joy from doing this. 191 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so. 192 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: Those were kind of introspective things, like if I'm not 193 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: introspective about those things, I may not make the right 194 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: decisions for myself. 195 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: Well, it's a I don't know if I think I've 196 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: probably talked about it on this podcast before, but I 197 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: had a moment with that with with stand up comedy 198 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: where I was at a I was at this show 199 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: and I wasn't on the show, but I was like 200 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: a friend's show. And then I had another friend who 201 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: was there who also wasn't on the show, and I 202 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: was talking to my other friend who wasn't on the show, 203 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: and I said to him, doesn't it feel nice to 204 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: just like not have to worry about like performing and 205 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: like being on stage and stuff. And he looked to 206 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: me like I was crazy, and he was like, I'm 207 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: a comedian. I always want to be on stage. And 208 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: I left and I left that night being like fuck, 209 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: if I'm not like that, then I don't know if 210 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: I can do this. 211 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: And then it was it. 212 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: You know, it ended up being this interesting full circle 213 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: thing because I, you know, I perform as the get 214 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: go and stuff, but I have at like had those 215 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: moments where like I see somebody else like, uh, looking 216 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: like they're really enjoying doing something that I thought I 217 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: wanted to do, and then being like, fuck, am is that? 218 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: Am I supposed to feel that way? But are you? 219 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: But it's hard to tell because I'm like, uh, I 220 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: think there there must be a suffering of some kind, 221 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: like in order to write a book or do something like, 222 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: you do have to uh like, you can't expect yourself 223 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: to enjoy every single part of the process, can you, 224 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: You think? 225 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: Well, fair question, and it deserves, you know, a thoughtful response, 226 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: which is, all right, let's look at those two situations 227 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: that I that I told you in my life. Now, 228 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 2: I could very well have said, all right, I don't 229 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: see myself in that environment regarding that soundstage experience, And 230 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: I could have said, why why don't I see myself 231 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 2: in that and maybe understood myself better and gotten over that. 232 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure baby, yeah maybe maybe. 233 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 2: Oh you know, same thing with you know, I was 234 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: writing my novel and you know, feeling no joy, I 235 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: would have thought, why am I feeling no joy? And 236 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: maybe if I'd done some investigation, I would have realized 237 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: that every novelist in the history of letters has hated 238 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: writing and just had to get past that because they 239 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 2: had a voice and they had something to say and 240 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: and that was important to them. So, you know, Unfortunately, 241 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: I I feel like I'm leaving your listeners with conflicting 242 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: approaches to me. 243 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: Well the well I mean, if you know, I don't 244 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: think there is a correct approach. You know, I'm very 245 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: one of the hard things about uh, you know, one 246 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: of the hard things about doing this, And I don't 247 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: look I definitely I talk about this all the time 248 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: on here, Like I don't. I try not to give advice. 249 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: I end up doing it on certain situations I feel 250 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: like it. But I feel like I remain I remain 251 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: rather agnostic towards a lot of stuff on here, truly, 252 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: because I will think about the different ways to like 253 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: approach stuff, and I will wind up being like, oh, 254 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: I really don't know which one is the correct approach, 255 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: Like the specific issues you know of, like you know, 256 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: am I supposed to like suffer through the not liking 257 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: of the process of the doing of the thing, Or 258 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: am I supposed to find something where the process of 259 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: doing it it feels good? And I've experienced I've had 260 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: lots of experiences where I did, like overcome the lack 261 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: of desire to do something and it made like a 262 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: really great product that was really proud of. I'm sure 263 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: happy I did it. Deadlines helped with that, of course, 264 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: But then there was a time where I'm life, but 265 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: then there's ship where I'm like, oh, I can really 266 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: tell I enjoy the process of doing this thing. 267 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: Listen. I remember being a practicing lawyer in Los Angeles. Yeah, 268 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties. This was short. This was shortly 269 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: after let's say three or four years, you know, the 270 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: Cold War was still going, Yeah, in the nineteen eighties, 271 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: and there was a big production of nuclear war that 272 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: came out like in eighty four eighty five that really 273 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: was sobering about what nuclear war was going to be like. 274 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: So it's kind of like roughly on your mind. I 275 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: was very lucky. I had beautiful office in Century City, 276 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 2: Los Angeles, on the nineteenth floor, overlooking all of West 277 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: Los Angeles and on a relatively clear day, I could 278 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,239 Speaker 2: see the ocean and it was just great. Yeah, And 279 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: I was writing a brief that I hated writing. Yeah, 280 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 2: I did not want to write it. So I was 281 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 2: looking after the window and fantasizing that if a nuclear 282 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: bomb hit Los Angeles, I wouldn't have to write the brief. 283 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 2: I ended up writing the brief and we ended up 284 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: winning the case. But yeah, you have to sometimes you do, 285 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: just have to power through those feelings. You know. 286 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: As funny as you've told me that story before, but 287 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: I never knew that that was like in the context 288 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: of the Cold War. I just imagined that you were 289 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: looking out at your office imagining that a bomb would come. 290 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: But I didn't know that there was a context on 291 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: which other theoretically could have been. 292 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: Well, now it would be like a comet or an asteroid. Yeah, 293 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: because we just watched that movie Green Lion. Then we're 294 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: looking forward to Greenland too, which is all about a 295 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,919 Speaker 2: comet hitting the planet. And you know, and you know, 296 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 2: my wife is a crazy uh apococalypts fan fan. 297 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: Are you do you worry? Do you ever worry about 298 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: the apocalypse? 299 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: Never? 300 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: Is it because of the statistical unlikeness of it happening, 301 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: or because if it does happen, you don't have meaning 302 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:33,239 Speaker 1: to worry about ever. 303 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: Again, you know, there's the whole concept of control. Yeah, 304 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: and worry. Yeah right, and we all you know, worry 305 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 2: is kind of a fundamental part of the human condition, 306 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 2: but it's a very destructive thing. And most of the 307 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: time we're worrying about things that we cannot control. Yeah, 308 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 2: all right, So then then the question is, all right, well, 309 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,479 Speaker 2: let's get let's let's drill that and really how all 310 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: right if we can control something, Yeah, why should we 311 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 2: think about it at all? 312 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: I know it's hard, that's well, well, that's the you know, 313 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: that's the you know, the serenity prayer, right, yes, absolutely, 314 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: that's this. This serenity goes something like give me the 315 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny sideway fucking In the episode I 316 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: did with Chloe, we brought up the serenity prayer of 317 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: like the the well. 318 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: Give me the strength to understand the things I can control, 319 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: and the curse up the whatever the things that I 320 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 2: can and the wisdom to know the difference. 321 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, the cur Yeah, the courage control the things that 322 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: I something. Help me accept the things I can't control 323 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: help me change the things I can. Help me understand 324 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: the difference. I think, for if you worry a lot 325 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: and you have anxiety, to me at least, I don't 326 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: think I I've gotten pretty good at not worrying about 327 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: things I can control. 328 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: I get worried about. 329 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: Things that I can control, you know what I mean? 330 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: And I think I think people. I think having a 331 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: lot of worry and anxiety is about a having trouble 332 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: knowing the difference. But also is I have a lot 333 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: of uh, But also, like I do, I have a 334 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: lot of worrying about things I can control, which stops 335 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: me from controlling them. It's like it's just it just 336 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: takes up. It's like procrastination. 337 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 2: Well, but that's the great thing, right, because you can 338 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 2: translate that worry into action. Yeah, right, Action kills fear. 339 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, to procrastinate a lot. 340 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: Still, I was actually not much of a procrastinator. No, 341 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 2: I never felt that way about myself. I'm feel like, 342 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: if I'm procrastinating about something, yeah, it's because in my 343 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: subconscious I haven't really decided that it's the right thing 344 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: to do. 345 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I I do, But I believe that too. 346 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: I believe that too. 347 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: When I feel intuitively drawn to do something I can, 348 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: I don't have to crass it on it. 349 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: And actually that kind of circles around to something else 350 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: that we were kind of talking about, which was like 351 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 2: the concepts of powering through And you know, when people 352 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 2: have come to me and said, I don't know what 353 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: to do about X, Y and Z, what of the situation? 354 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 2: My first I don't have advice for anybody. Okay, My 355 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: first question is what do you want to do? Yeah, 356 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 2: And that's, in my opinion, the first question you should 357 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 2: ask you don't know what to do because a lot 358 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: of times people really know what they want to do, 359 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: but they're afraid of the potential consequences. Yeah, all right, 360 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 2: then if they can't get there, I say, okay. The 361 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: second question is what's the smart thing to do? That's 362 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 2: an interesting one. What's the smart thing to do? Which 363 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 2: is not the first question. That's the second question. 364 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know what, those can be conflicting, Those 365 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 1: can have conflicting answers. 366 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: Of course, absolutely no question about it. Yeah, because look, 367 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: ultimately time is limited in our lives. We should do 368 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: what we want if it's not hurting anyone, If it's 369 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: not you know, leading us to you know, destruction and despair. 370 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 2: You know, focus on what you want to do because 371 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: it's your life, and you really, I mean, you really 372 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: only get one of them. 373 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: I know. I think a lot of the problems that 374 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: people on this show have, but we'll we can read 375 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: some of these emails at some point is like juggling 376 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: what they want to do with the ever growing external 377 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: requirements of existing on the earth. You know what I mean. 378 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: It's very complicated. Yeah, you know, human civilization, it's just, 379 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 2: you know, is a massive maze that gets more complex 380 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: with more blind turns daily. By the way, your your 381 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: listeners should know that that this is how we talk. Yeah, 382 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: this is this is not like, oh we're doing this 383 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: for a podcast. This is how we talk and then 384 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 2: people might say, oh, poor Lyle. 385 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: So I'm really happy I asked you to do this. 386 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: This is way better than me just doing this alone. Actually, 387 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, I wanted there's a thread of okay, all right, 388 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: so just to just to close this thread of okay, 389 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: so you're it's fine. You were on the you were 390 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: on the phone with my uncle last night and you 391 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: were talking about this about how you were on the 392 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: phone uncle last night, and you were you said that 393 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: one of the great things about being older is that 394 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: you get to look at your life and see how 395 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: it all played out. Yes, so now with what you 396 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: told us about how you know, you went out to 397 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: Los Angeles to like do all these things and now 398 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: life has played out, Like, how do you what's your 399 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: reflection on how life has played out? 400 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 2: I have a great anecdote about that. Yeah, please, having 401 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: to do with Chloe. Yeah. So I was talking to 402 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: Chloe not terribly long ago, it would have been like 403 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 2: within the last couple of years, and I I was talking. 404 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: I was I was down talking the concept of being 405 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 2: a dabbler, you know. 406 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: For reference, if some people know what some people don't. Chloe, 407 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: Chloe is my sister, go ahead, so. 408 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: You know, like doing getting really good at majong and 409 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 2: then learning how to ski Jack of all Trade, Jack 410 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 2: of all Trades. And I was saying that kind of 411 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: in a negative way, Okay, And then I do something 412 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: that I almost always do. After I say something, I 413 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: think about whether it's really true, you know. 414 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: I do the same. I do the same, Like I'll 415 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: say it first and I'll be like, wait, I do 416 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: I actually is. 417 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: It really true, and then I realized that my whole life, 418 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: I've been uh, and I'm gonna say this proudly a 419 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 2: grade A dabbler. Yeah, I was. 420 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're a dabbler. 421 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I write screenplays, I play music, 422 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: I play chess, I play golf. You know, I like 423 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 2: to tool around with computers. Uh, you know, over and 424 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: over again. There's there's you know, I love sports. So yeah, 425 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: I think I've gone through my life and I've looked 426 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: at all the different things that I've done, the extra 427 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: curricular things that I've done, and I feel pretty proud 428 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 2: about what I've done. And the nice thing is, like, 429 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: I'm sixty six, I still have time to do more things. 430 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you what more do you want to do? 431 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 2: I want to write music. I want you know, I 432 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: have this idea and if somebody wants to steal this idea, 433 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 2: go right ahead. That's fine. There's there's room for multiple 434 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: people to do it. Ye. Yeah, but they won't because 435 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 2: your your listener base, I'm guessing probably doesn't know the 436 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine hit song in the year twenty five 437 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 2: twenty five, I've. 438 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: I probably not, yeah, probably not. I I guess they don't. 439 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 2: I would urge you to put a link to Spotify 440 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: or Apple Music or YouTube in the subscription to the song. 441 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: I want to make a music video where I play 442 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: the song and then in the song is kind of 443 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: a cautionary tale about the dangers of future technology. Oh really, yeah, 444 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 2: that's what the song way? What is it? 445 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: I'll look it up in the year twenty five, twenty five, 446 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: year twenty five twenty five. Oh I thought I thought 447 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: you were saying twenty twenty five. Oh, okay, in the 448 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: year twenty five, twenty five, if man is still alive, 449 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: if woman can survive, they might find in the year 450 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: thirty five thirty five, you're not gonna need to tell 451 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: the truth, tell no lie. Everything you think, do or 452 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: say is in the pill you took today. This is 453 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: about like fascism. 454 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 2: You could interpret it that way. 455 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: How do you interpret it? 456 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: I interpreted it more of like biotechnology. 457 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: Oh sure, sure, you know. 458 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 2: It's like you take a pill and it just, you know, 459 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: drives everything you do during the day. You kind of 460 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: are sacrificing your agency for the benefit of being able 461 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: to rely upon that technology. 462 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: Would you would you analogize that to social media would 463 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: you analogize that to our our phones perhaps. 464 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 2: You know, I never thought of it that way. I've 465 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: always taken the songs lyrics pretty much to their face value. 466 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 2: By the way, this was the number one song yeah 467 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 2: the day and I'm apologies to conspiracy theorists go ahead. 468 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: The day that Neil Armstrong was the first man to 469 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: walk on the Earth, July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine, this 470 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: was the number one hit. 471 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was probably can I you know, I'm curious, like, 472 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: I bet it was. Do you think it's because people 473 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: were stoked about the future. 474 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 2: Yes, I think there was a I think I think 475 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 2: the future was very much on people's minds back then. 476 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: See, I feel so your generation was like tell me 477 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: if you think this is accurate, But it seems like 478 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: your generation was like stoked about the future because like 479 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: was like when they would come out with something, it 480 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: would be cool, like like, oh, we got a man 481 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: walking on the moon, we got like, look look at 482 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: this computer. It's awesome. And now like my generation, like 483 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: when they come out with something, it's like like, I 484 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: think my generation is way more like spooked about the 485 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: future than yours. Yours seems like it was more excited. 486 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 2: I think your generation has come through follows a lot 487 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: of historical events that make it feel like we're on 488 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 2: the verge of the apocalypse. Yes, and I think there's 489 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 2: a very strong end of day's current that runs through 490 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: our culture. And listen, you know, God willing, the influence 491 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: of boomers, which is my generation, will pass God willing 492 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 2: because we've had our time, and you know, it's time 493 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 2: for younger generations to move forward and take the reins 494 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: and control the world. And you know, I'm hoping that 495 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: future generations will kind of emerge from these end of 496 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: days feelings and have greater hopefulness. But I agree with 497 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 2: what you said. I think there's a big difference. 498 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: What year were you born? 499 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: Nineteen fifty nine, Okay, so. 500 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: You're born after so you're I mean, you're so what 501 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: was I don't know if you've talked much to what 502 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: year was your dad born? 503 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: Do you know? Nineteen thirty one? 504 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: Nineteen thirty one? 505 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 2: Okay? 506 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: So he was like so he's like a fun he's 507 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: like fifteen and the world is literally at war. 508 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 2: He's at fifteen and we drop two bombs on Japan. 509 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: Crazy, Yeah, so I only fourteen. 510 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 2: It's actually thirteen because he was born in November of 511 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 2: nineteen thirty one, right, so in August of nineteen forty five, 512 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: when the bombs dropped, he would have been thirteen. 513 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think about this stuff because we've lived through like, yeah, 514 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: my generation has lived through a lot of like like 515 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: really spooky apocalyptic things. But we're not the first generation 516 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: to do that. I mean, there was a oh my god, 517 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: there's a world war. 518 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 2: You're so not the first generations and that makes and. 519 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: I've I've explained, you know, I try to like it's 520 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: something that makes me feel good and optimistic about the 521 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: future because it's like, and I've tried to explain this 522 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: on here before, my feelings of like it's scary to 523 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: be living in like unprecedented times, but we're people are 524 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: always living in unprecedented times, and so that makes me 525 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: feel a little bit better. Like there was a generation 526 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: of people who was like, oh fuck, though there's we're 527 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: dropping nuclear fucking bombs on each other, and look, we're 528 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: our generation is also kind of watching the news and 529 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: be like, are we about to drop a bunch of 530 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: nuclear fucking bombs on it? Chiller and shit, But we're 531 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,719 Speaker 1: not the first people to you know, be looking at 532 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: the world biting our nails. 533 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 2: Well, there's no question that the nuclear age is different 534 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: than what came before, sure, because never before did humans 535 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: have the ability with just a few fairly minor actions 536 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 2: destroy the planet. Right, We never had that ability before, 537 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 2: you know, nineteen forty five, and we very much have 538 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: it now. So concerned about that is legitimate, But it's 539 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 2: it's like living with a dull ache that you have 540 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 2: in your body. Oh sure, you just learn to live 541 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 2: with the ache and you try not to focus on it, 542 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: and you try to focus on other things, and you know, 543 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: and get through the day. 544 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 1: Do you think that like when you were when you 545 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: were my age, when you're twenty eight, like the people 546 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: around you, do you think that they were like do 547 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: you think do you think morale was better in general 548 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: than it is for like people my age now. 549 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 2: Depends, you know, morale is kind of interesting. And when 550 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 2: I was twenty eight, let's say when I was twenty eight, 551 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 2: it was what nineteen eighty nine, all right, we were 552 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: just ending eight eight years of Reagan. 553 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: The Simpsons began. 554 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 2: Okay, the Simpsons began. How interesting that is? You know what? 555 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 2: I was a very early fan of mac Granning. 556 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: You know, I have You Have the Life and You 557 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: Have the Life in Hell books. 558 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 2: I have those books from the early to mid nineteen eighties. 559 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, you can go ahead. We don't have to 560 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: go into mac graning. 561 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 2: Well, no, no, but it's just kind of interesting. So 562 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 2: we're you know, I remember so much more optimism in 563 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine than I do in nineteen eighty nine. 564 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 2: You were ten, Yeah, when I was ten, I remember, 565 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: all right, nineteen seventy that was the first decade turn 566 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 2: that I mean, obviously I had a decade turn from 567 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: fifty nine to sixty, but I was less than a 568 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 2: year old, so it doesn't really count. But you know, 569 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 2: decade turns are opportunities to be excited about the future, 570 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: and I remember feeling that in myself and in the 571 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 2: world in nineteen sixty nine. It helped that the New 572 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 2: York Mets had just won the World Series, which was 573 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 2: a miraculous event in the world of sports. I don't 574 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 2: remember feeling that the same in nineteen eighty nine. You know, 575 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 2: I remember being in nineteen eighty nine, I you know, 576 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 2: I wanted to meet a girl and have a family 577 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: and buy a house and do all the things I 578 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 2: was concerned was I was concerned that I wasn't gonna 579 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 2: be able to afford to do that in Los Angeles, 580 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 2: even though even though I had a good career and 581 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 2: I probably could have afforded to do it well. 582 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: Because the narrative is that like that like doing all 583 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: that The narrative is that like you know, like for 584 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: like yeah, like in that generation that it was like 585 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: relatively easy if you had like a good job, to 586 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: like do all those things. 587 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 2: So well, it depends on where you are. Sure, it's 588 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 2: always been tough to do them in New York, and 589 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 2: I'm always been tough to do them in Los Angeles, 590 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 2: depending upon where in Los Angeles. Yeah, right, right, And 591 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: and even today, the further you go from a major 592 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 2: metropolitan area, the more affordable it is. Yes, that's always 593 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 2: been true. Right now, I I don't want to come 594 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 2: off as a luddite. I recognize that, you know, it 595 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 2: feels really intimidating to try to get into the real 596 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 2: estate market. Now, Yeah, I'm I understand that, and I 597 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 2: could see why people feel that way, and I think 598 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 2: those feelings are legitimate. That said, you know, it's just 599 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 2: it's always been a hard balance. You know, Look, my 600 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 2: brother bought a house in the nineteen nineties, and you know, 601 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: he was living He's a doctor, all right, and he 602 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 2: didn't feel like he could afford Westchester. He was a 603 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: doctor practicing in New York City. Didn't feel like he 604 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 2: could afford Westchester. So we moved, I think to Putnam County, 605 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,359 Speaker 2: which is north of wester But it was it was 606 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 2: such a headache, in a hassle to get to him. 607 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 2: But it was the same principle, the further away you move. 608 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: From the Yeah, and I guess that does that does 609 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: remain true today. 610 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 2: That's right, you know. And and interest rates have jumped all 611 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 2: over the place. You know, when I graduated from college, 612 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 2: inter states like eighteen or nineteen percent in nineteen eighty one. 613 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 2: Now they're like now they're about, you know, about six 614 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 2: ish percent. Yeah, we all remember, you know, to the 615 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 2: last decade when they went down to two percent, three 616 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 2: percent and four percent. I think we might see that again. 617 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what people are really cheering for. 618 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 2: That. Well, it's got to be done, right. I'm not 619 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 2: a political scientist, I'm not an economist. I don't know, 620 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 2: but I don't know the right way to do it. 621 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 2: All I know is if you don't do it the 622 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 2: right way, I think we're going to have a lot 623 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 2: of unintended consequences. Well, listen, should we do an email? 624 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,320 Speaker 1: Do you want do you want to do it? You 625 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 1: want to do an email? 626 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we could do this all we could do 627 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 2: this all day. 628 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: Let's let's let's do and we can the emails can 629 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: launch back into us doing this. But let's let's read it. 630 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: Let's read start with an email. Okay, I'm going Now, 631 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: here's the thing and I'll prep you for this. 632 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 2: Is that. 633 00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll prep you for this. 634 00:37:59,520 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 2: Is that. 635 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: These aren't all like question answer emails. Sometimes people just 636 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: want to express things and then I'll ponder them. And 637 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: sometimes they're like normal things and then sometimes sometimes they're 638 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: like rare. Sometimes they can be depressing, sometimes they can 639 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: be funny. But like you know this, just we'll read 640 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: it and then we can we ponder it. 641 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know what, one of the things I've always 642 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 2: admired about what you have done as the get go 643 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 2: is that you create a safe space for people to 644 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 2: do that. I appreciate that and I will try to 645 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 2: honor and respect that. 646 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,640 Speaker 1: Thank you, Dad. I appreciate that Okay, so this is 647 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: from This is from Chris. The subject line is, I 648 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: think I'm a bad friend. Hey, GEK, I think I'm 649 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: a bad friend. I do have friends, and I do 650 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 1: care for them as my friends and would most likely 651 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: do anything if they asked, But this isn't what I mean. 652 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: To be honest, I do the bare minimum these days 653 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: to be a friend to anyone. I find that I 654 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: never hang with them, and I don't make time to 655 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 1: go out with the boys. 656 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 2: Shit. 657 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 1: I rarely take myself out or want to do anything. 658 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: I have maybe two good friends people I would go 659 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: see if they called me. Otherwise it's just me and 660 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: my family at home. I make zero attempts to try 661 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: to hang out, but I'm never feeling a sense of 662 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: fomo about it. Am I a bad friend? This was 663 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: a very jealous He was very general about it. 664 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 2: You know what, Yeah, this email really speaks to what 665 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 2: I'm experiencing right now in my own life. Please, Because 666 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 2: we moved to Georgia from Maryland just a few months ago, 667 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 2: and I have great friends in Maryland, and I've go 668 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 2: great friends in New York, and I've got great friends 669 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, and you live in New York. Chloe 670 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 2: lives in Chicago, and I am becoming a little bit 671 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:19,439 Speaker 2: of a hermit in that I play my golf and 672 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 2: I play my music and I do whatever I can. 673 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 2: With my wife. We're very, very close. And I also 674 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 2: feel like sometimes I'm not a good friend. I totally 675 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 2: understand that. 676 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 1: Because you're not actively to try to make the plans. 677 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 2: So I have made a New Year's resolution. 678 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: What's your news resolution? 679 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 2: I am going to make one call a month to 680 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 2: a person on my list of my friends. That one 681 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 2: call a month, and you know, and we'll talk. Maybe 682 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 2: I'll send him a text, Hey, I really love to 683 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,399 Speaker 2: connect with you. When would be a good time We'll 684 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 2: just talk. I'll do that different person every month. M h. 685 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:09,919 Speaker 2: And will that make me a better friend? Well, that's 686 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 2: really subjective. I get it. I think it'll make me 687 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 2: feel more connected. Yeah, I would. 688 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: And I would piggyback off of that. I would say 689 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: that I think this guy Chris is kind of like 690 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: like qualifying himself unnecessarily as like good or bad. But 691 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: that's the question is is he does does he desire 692 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: to feel more connected? Because he did say he was 693 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: like I rarely want to do anything I'm feeling and 694 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: he's not feeling a sense of fomo. I don't know, 695 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: it's it's here's Here's a weird conundrum I'm running into 696 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: when I'm thinking about these things, is like, like this 697 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: guy Chris, I don't know if, like from his email, 698 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: I can't tell if he wants to feel more connected. 699 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people. There's a lot of 700 00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: people like that, And you know, I respect that if 701 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: that's how you want to how you want to be, 702 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:06,400 Speaker 1: But you know, I would say that, yeah, if he 703 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 1: if he wants to be more connected, then he should 704 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: go out and reach out to more people. But not 705 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: because he feels some sort of like sense of obligation 706 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 1: of like I must be a good friend, but because 707 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 1: he wants to, you know, I guess feel connected. 708 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 2: You know. The whole concept of good and bad in 709 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:29,280 Speaker 2: those terms is self destructive talk? Yeah, you know, destructive 710 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 2: self talk? Yeah, because right bad? No, a bad friend 711 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 2: is someone who goes and takes out a gun and 712 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 2: shoots all of their friends to death. That's a really 713 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:44,120 Speaker 2: bad friend. Yeah, Okay, so that's probably on the edge. 714 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:50,080 Speaker 2: But why think in those terms. Let's go back. Let's 715 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 2: go back because he's asking a question. What do I 716 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 2: do with my life? Is really what he's asking. Yeah. Yeah, 717 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 2: so let's go back. What's the model? What do you 718 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 2: want to do? All right? Well, I kind of want 719 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,680 Speaker 2: to just stay home and and and you know, play 720 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 2: video games and and just you know, look at my 721 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 2: phone and just chill. That's what I want to do. 722 00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: And then what's the smart thing. 723 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 2: What's the smart thing to do? Well, the smart thing 724 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 2: to do is stay connected, of course, right, of course 725 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,359 Speaker 2: that's the smart thing. So so okay, Chris, we have 726 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 2: that balance. Now we understand what you want to do, 727 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 2: and we understand the smart thing. Yeah, all right, and 728 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,799 Speaker 2: I think most people would agree the smart thing is 729 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 2: to stay connected, you know, on whatever level, on whatever level. 730 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 2: Like me, I'm I'm doing it the easiest way I 731 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 2: can really imagine. It's a phone call, well, phone call 732 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 2: once a month. Yeah, you're right. At the end of 733 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,320 Speaker 2: twelve months, I've little connected with all of my friends, 734 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 2: with twelve of my friends. Yeah. 735 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: I like that answer. That makes sense of like uh 736 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 1: uh yeah, because again, like that's the that's a thing 737 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm constantly running like run into I'm noticing like people 738 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: are like should I feel bad about not wanting this 739 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: certain thing, but I think, yeah, it's like, what's the 740 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: smart thing to do? Is a good way to think 741 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: about it, And it's like, well, yeah, this smart thing 742 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: I mean humans, humans, you know, are biologically wired to 743 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: be able to connect with each other. So I'm I'm 744 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: with that. That's that's I'll piggyback off of that. I 745 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: think that's a good way to respond to Chris is that, 746 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 1: you know, it seems like what he wants to do 747 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 1: is like, you know, he rarely wants to do He 748 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,359 Speaker 1: rarely wants to do anything. He probably just wants to chill. 749 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: But the smart thing to do is to stay connected, 750 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 1: and it's better if he listens to this. I hope 751 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,399 Speaker 1: he comes away with it that it's at least better 752 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,399 Speaker 1: to think in those terms than the terms of like 753 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,760 Speaker 1: am I a bad friend or a good friend physically anywhere? 754 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:51,440 Speaker 1: So okay, let's see here, let's talk to uh oh okay, 755 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,839 Speaker 1: this is this is this is kind of just kind 756 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 1: of on the subject of the things that we were 757 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: talking about, So let's let's talk about this. Uh okay, 758 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: this is from Madison. The subject line everyone around me 759 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: is ready for the end of the world high lyle, 760 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: I have two very close individuals in my life that 761 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:18,239 Speaker 1: have been anticipating a collapse, a decline, a notion that 762 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: essentially the end of the world as we know it 763 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 1: is on the horizon. I graduated college last April with 764 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,640 Speaker 1: a very ambitious degree. I'm sure you can empathize. Oh, 765 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: she wrote ambitious in uh quotes. Okay, And she wrote 766 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 1: with a very quote unquote ambitious degree, I'm sure you 767 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: can emphasize. I'm sure you can empathize. I got a 768 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: degree in acting. Oh awesome, how exciting they I think 769 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: she wrote that because I've talked on here about getting 770 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:50,160 Speaker 1: a degree in film and media arts, and I've consistently 771 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: ambassed it. Okay, because well we can geting go on 772 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: a quick tange, but I consistently ambassad it because to me, 773 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I mean, I'm lucky. I have 774 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: good parents that you know, helped me go to school. 775 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, there's a lot of people 776 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,920 Speaker 1: I went to school with to like, you know, they 777 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,920 Speaker 1: went they had to go into a crazy debt, and 778 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'm like, and I might like every 779 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: time I talk to him about this, I'm like, if 780 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,400 Speaker 1: you can if like you can afford it via like 781 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 1: a scholarship or something, then like it's a good it's 782 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: a good move. But like if you know, if you 783 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: have to go into debt to it to do it, 784 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: it's kind of tough. But all right, I'll keep reading. 785 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 2: But all right, but you know what, she's asking two questions. 786 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 2: In my opinion, that's what I'm hearing. I'm hearing two 787 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:34,840 Speaker 2: questions from Madison. 788 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: Wait, wait, hold on, Oka, I mean there are more 789 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: than to the two questions. Okay, let's read the whole email. 790 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: That's my fault. We want to at change it. Okay, naive, probably, 791 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,840 Speaker 1: but I believe in my ability. Once arriving at college, 792 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: I was made abundantly aware that no amount of ability 793 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,640 Speaker 1: or passion will ever trump how you look in this industry. 794 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: At least that's what was made clear to me at 795 00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:58,879 Speaker 1: a collegiate level. 796 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,279 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I now have three things. Remind me. 797 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 2: I've got three comments on this email already. 798 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 1: We're not even a fifth of the way done this email. 799 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,840 Speaker 1: But I'll remind you. I give you this context because 800 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: I think it's really important to know. I'm already holding 801 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 1: the weight of pursuing something with one in a million 802 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:20,359 Speaker 1: chances that you can't even really work linearly towards I'm 803 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: not someone's notable kid, I'm not coming from a horde 804 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 1: of wealth. I just have a lot of love and 805 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: passion for this craft. As twenty twenty five continued, the 806 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: state of our world declined in a seemingly rapid way. 807 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to sit here and rattle off bullet 808 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: points of what I mean, because we all lived through it, 809 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: but the takeaway is that the priorities for people in 810 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,400 Speaker 1: power are now clear. It's inarguable. With all of that said, 811 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 1: over those past few months, conversations with my mother and 812 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 1: my boyfriend have become increasingly centered around the idea of 813 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: things are coming to a head, whether it be a 814 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: strong whether it be a string of regurgitated tweets pointing 815 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: out what Big Satan and Little Satan are getting up to, 816 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: or a lecture on how we will manage amongst the 817 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: apocalyptic state of the world. I'm not exactly sure how 818 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 1: to articulate the feeling I've been experiencing, but it's exhausting me. 819 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm being told the world is going to end and 820 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,880 Speaker 1: shown fact time and time again to support this prediction, 821 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,720 Speaker 1: and I always and I've been shown quote unquote fact, 822 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 1: so another statirically said fact time and time again to 823 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: support this prediction. And every time I tell my mother 824 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,759 Speaker 1: and my boyfriend the same thing. Lyle, I don't know. 825 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,319 Speaker 1: I have no clue what's happening behind the curtain. I 826 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: have no clue what's happening at the echelon stories above me, 827 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: high in the in the you know, with people in 828 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: power and whatnot. I'm among the rest of the ninety 829 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 1: nine point nine percent of people just trying to survive 830 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 1: and fight off such suffocating feelings of helplessness. I'm tired, 831 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,799 Speaker 1: things feel bleak. I'm still in pursuit of my ambitions 832 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,840 Speaker 1: in independent filmmaking. My friend and I had a short 833 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,359 Speaker 1: film of ours become internationally award winning. Wow pretty good, 834 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: and I'm so awesome, And I'm still out here auditioning. 835 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:21,960 Speaker 1: But I am stuck in this push and pull of 836 00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: going for something that I've been dreaming of since I 837 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,359 Speaker 1: was a child, or letting go of how I saw 838 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,360 Speaker 1: my life going and accepting that the world I envisioned 839 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: living in no longer exists. Because I may be naive 840 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 1: enough to pursue something like this for a living. But 841 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,839 Speaker 1: I'm not naive enough to admit the interests and the 842 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,640 Speaker 1: lives of the American people, or the people of the 843 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,440 Speaker 1: world for that matter, do not take priority in the 844 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,399 Speaker 1: minds of those who are responsible for them. Okay, hold on, 845 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:52,960 Speaker 1: We're so close to being done with the end of 846 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 1: the email. But it is interesting because I'm. 847 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,399 Speaker 2: Like, oh, I've had so many I have so many 848 00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,840 Speaker 2: things to say about this email. 849 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,680 Speaker 1: And on that note, but I leave you with goodbye. 850 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for everything you do, Lyle. You make my job 851 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: less grueling, and my confidence in my live life despite philosophy, 852 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,920 Speaker 1: must stronger. Stacy. Thank you, Stacy. I appreciate that. 853 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:10,760 Speaker 2: I thought that was Madison. 854 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 1: Oh okay, sometimes they give me fake names, and then 855 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:21,840 Speaker 1: I read what the well call her Stacy. That's caller Stacy. Okay, okay, 856 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,720 Speaker 1: this is that's that's Stacy's email. 857 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 2: So, first of all, this touches upon some of the 858 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 2: things we've already discussed. 859 00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of them. 860 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Stacy slash Madison. 861 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,040 Speaker 1: Huh. 862 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,359 Speaker 2: You cannot control the end of the world, yes, all right, 863 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:45,040 Speaker 2: so stop worrying about it. Treat that general undercurrent that 864 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,799 Speaker 2: you perceive as being irrelevant to your life, all right, 865 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,799 Speaker 2: because you know what, I bet you there are like millions, 866 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,080 Speaker 2: if not billions of people around the world who are 867 00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 2: literally starving to death, who are not thinking about the 868 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 2: end of the world. 869 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 1: It is true to it is it is true to 870 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,719 Speaker 1: think about it is true to think about that. 871 00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 2: Yes, right, that is correct. Yes. So you know it's 872 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 2: not a thing you can control. So it's it's not 873 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,400 Speaker 2: going to be easy if you've kind of allowed it 874 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,640 Speaker 2: to kind of crawl under your skin and percolate in 875 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 2: your brain. But let it work at letting that go. 876 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,759 Speaker 2: Like whatever you want to go on chat GPT or 877 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,279 Speaker 2: Gemini and say, how do I let go of my 878 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 2: anxiety about the end of the world? Do that? Do that? 879 00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 2: I mean it does. 880 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,360 Speaker 1: My dad and I have been talking a lot about 881 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,760 Speaker 1: AI wars and whatnot. But go ahead. 882 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,600 Speaker 2: So whatever you need to do to try to, you know, 883 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,680 Speaker 2: let go of that anxiety, I would urge you to do, 884 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,880 Speaker 2: all right. So that's that's the first thing. The second 885 00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 2: thing is, so you want to be an actress. That's awesome. 886 00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:06,440 Speaker 2: That's awesome. There's so many opportunities for people to be 887 00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:13,640 Speaker 2: actors and actresses, you know, and just you know you've 888 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,200 Speaker 2: been passionate about Like you answered the first question, what 889 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,359 Speaker 2: do I want to do? Answers what do I want 890 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,440 Speaker 2: to do? That's the hardest question to answer. 891 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 1: And then what's the smart thing to do? I think 892 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,840 Speaker 1: she's doing the smart I think she's making stuff. 893 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:31,479 Speaker 2: And one hundred percent agree. Keep going on auditions, keep 894 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 2: making the short films, you know, whatever you have to do, 895 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,759 Speaker 2: just keep doing it. Now, I'm gonna come up to 896 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,520 Speaker 2: the third thing. And and I'm a little uncomfortable talking 897 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,640 Speaker 2: about this because we don't know Stacy slash Madison. We 898 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 2: don't know what she looks like, we don't know anything 899 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:50,600 Speaker 2: about her. 900 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,759 Speaker 1: We know the thing about her saying that she wasn't 901 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,640 Speaker 1: attractive enough to be that's right, Okay. 902 00:52:54,840 --> 00:53:00,480 Speaker 2: First of all, it is really valuable to have an 903 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:05,080 Speaker 2: accurate sense of yourself in the world, right, And we 904 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,799 Speaker 2: talked about that so that you can lean into your strengths. Yeah, yeah, 905 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 2: I have noticed that in every film where there's a 906 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:23,040 Speaker 2: female lead, all right, who has friends, those friends are 907 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,200 Speaker 2: never as attractive as the lead. 908 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,440 Speaker 1: Okay, sure, there's there what you're saying, and it's it's like, 909 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: if you there is space for actors and actresses of 910 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:41,680 Speaker 1: all levels of attractiveness to exist in the in the 911 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 1: of course. 912 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 2: That's right, And anything that you think is a weakness 913 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:53,399 Speaker 2: a strength. There are so many people that we might 914 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,920 Speaker 2: think of as you know, not being the most attractive, yet. 915 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:04,360 Speaker 1: Have careers, have great careers, like a fucking uh uh whatever, 916 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 1: Jack Black or. 917 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,440 Speaker 2: Well, you know what, in fairness, let's let's not be 918 00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:15,280 Speaker 2: dishonest to Stacy. Sure, all right, looks mean different things 919 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 2: for men than it does for women. 920 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:17,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a fair assessment, of. 921 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 2: Course, So I get that. But you know, and I'm 922 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 2: not going to name names because you know whatever, but 923 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,399 Speaker 2: there are plenty of women who we do not think 924 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:37,520 Speaker 2: of as being particularly eventionally attractive who've got great careers. 925 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,440 Speaker 2: And you know, another thing about being in the arts 926 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,400 Speaker 2: is a great career just means you're working. Yeah, of course, 927 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,000 Speaker 2: that's all it really means, of course, you know, so 928 00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 2: there's going to be tons of opportunities. Stacy slash Madison, 929 00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:01,400 Speaker 2: hang in there. I'm sorry Lyle for totally please your podcast, 930 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:07,440 Speaker 2: but I think you're doing all the right things and 931 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,920 Speaker 2: and I urge you to do whatever you need to 932 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,600 Speaker 2: do to let go of that. End of day's anxiety. 933 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I no, like like, it's it's interesting 934 00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: that that she she mentioned other stuff because, like we 935 00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,760 Speaker 1: were talking about before, I think a lot of people 936 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,680 Speaker 1: are having this like uh end of end of days feeling. 937 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,680 Speaker 1: No I I I echot the sentiments that that my 938 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,239 Speaker 1: dad said of, like you know, you'll be able to 939 00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,000 Speaker 1: find your own Yeah, like having having having some awareness 940 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 1: of like how you come off, like weaknesses can become strengths. 941 00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,719 Speaker 1: I believe that one hundred percent. So I don't think 942 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,920 Speaker 1: you should look at you. She keeps saying she's naive. 943 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,640 Speaker 1: I would take that out of the vocabulary. I don't 944 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 1: think she needs to. I don't think she's naive. 945 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:58,960 Speaker 2: It doesn't help her that it doesn't help that's and 946 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,320 Speaker 2: that's a good tech. By the way, when you start 947 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,920 Speaker 2: having destructive self. 948 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,520 Speaker 1: Thoughts, yeah, well how do you do? 949 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:05,000 Speaker 2: So? How do you? 950 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever, I don't know if 951 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,920 Speaker 1: we talked about this, but okay, yeah, you were talking 952 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 1: about how you have them every day every day. How 953 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: do you deal with your destructive self thoughts? 954 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,120 Speaker 2: I say to myself, what's the benefit of that thought? 955 00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:16,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? 956 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:23,000 Speaker 2: And then if I can't find one, well, all right, 957 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,440 Speaker 2: So let's let's try to be a little bit, you know, 958 00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,160 Speaker 2: kind of harsh. That's the benefit of that thought. Or 959 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,480 Speaker 2: one of your answers could be, well, I'm being honest 960 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,760 Speaker 2: with myself. Okay, you want to be honest with yourself 961 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,319 Speaker 2: that you're being naive. How do you use that? How 962 00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,319 Speaker 2: do you use that new information? Yeah, to use it 963 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:43,759 Speaker 2: to let go of your dream? Okay, I you're gonna 964 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,479 Speaker 2: you can let go of your dream every day. You'll 965 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,080 Speaker 2: have that opportunity every day. Yeah, you know, And you 966 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:56,880 Speaker 2: know I admire Stacy Slash Madison because she's doing a 967 00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,919 Speaker 2: hard thing totally, you know, but it's a doable thing. 968 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,160 Speaker 2: Of course, it's a doable thing. 969 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,120 Speaker 1: No, I I think I think that's true. I'm always 970 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 1: trying to be like. 971 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, with my. 972 00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,960 Speaker 1: Ditect my destructive thoughts, I always I gotta I gotta start. 973 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,400 Speaker 1: I gotta start attacking them more. I've been letting them 974 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,680 Speaker 1: off the hook. I've been letting them run run loose. 975 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,760 Speaker 1: I gotta start thinking more about, uh, logically, how is 976 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,960 Speaker 1: this helping me? I was on an airplane once and 977 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 1: I was thinking, like, the only the only things I'll 978 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,040 Speaker 1: ever like, they're kind, they're they're like inevitabilities of like 979 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,920 Speaker 1: just having a you know, being an emotional human being. 980 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 1: But I'm like the only thing, like when I'm dying, 981 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,120 Speaker 1: the only thing I'll ever really regret is like time 982 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,760 Speaker 1: I spent worrying, or like times I was like a 983 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,160 Speaker 1: dick to someone because I was being impulsive or whatever. 984 00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,400 Speaker 1: Those the main things I'll regret. 985 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,680 Speaker 2: You know, people ask me, do you regret anything? Yeah, 986 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,760 Speaker 2: and I'll tell them, Oh, I have tons of regrets, 987 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,440 Speaker 2: but my biggest regrets are anytimes. 988 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 1: I have been unkind Yeah yeah. 989 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 2: H By the way, while while you're kind of looking, 990 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:20,920 Speaker 2: I have kind of an observation about something that colors 991 00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:26,160 Speaker 2: how to respond to some of these emails, which is, 992 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 2: you know, when you started this, you were like twenty two, 993 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,320 Speaker 2: and you just you know, and you know, and now 994 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:38,800 Speaker 2: here we are six years later. 995 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:39,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of crazy. 996 00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:45,360 Speaker 2: Okay, you're twenty eight now. I don't know. Look, you 997 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:50,080 Speaker 2: have a significant number of people who have been listening 998 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:56,440 Speaker 2: to you from the start, all right, And responses that 999 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,840 Speaker 2: I would give to somebody who's twenty two years old 1000 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,720 Speaker 2: different than responses I would give to somebody who's twenty 1001 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:02,280 Speaker 2: eight years old. 1002 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, potentially, yes, Sam, I think. 1003 00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,600 Speaker 2: I look, technically, a person who's twenty two years old 1004 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,600 Speaker 2: is an adult, and they have agency and they can 1005 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,720 Speaker 2: move around the world. But you know, every year that 1006 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,920 Speaker 2: passes you have a little bit more experience. Yeah, it 1007 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,880 Speaker 2: colors your view of things. So by the time you're 1008 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:26,360 Speaker 2: twenty eight, you you know, those six years of life 1009 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,439 Speaker 2: experience are night and day. 1010 00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,120 Speaker 1: And you know what's funny is I like, I'll watch 1011 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,200 Speaker 1: some of the older episodes of the podcast, and I 1012 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,520 Speaker 1: was I think, actually you would think the opposite would 1013 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,680 Speaker 1: be true. But I was much more well when the 1014 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,920 Speaker 1: Fuckust first started. I was a little I think I 1015 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,880 Speaker 1: leaned more into the uh what, like, I've been more sure. 1016 00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,280 Speaker 1: I was more sure of myself. I think when I 1017 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,440 Speaker 1: was doing this podcast in my early twenties than in 1018 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:02,280 Speaker 1: my late twenties, because I the more life experience I've lived, 1019 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:08,640 Speaker 1: I've actually come to realize the less I know, which 1020 01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,120 Speaker 1: which makes a sense to me. Sure, because you know, whatever, 1021 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,200 Speaker 1: you grow up and you have the more. Yeah, the 1022 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,240 Speaker 1: more things I experienced, the less I feel like I 1023 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:25,439 Speaker 1: have any grasp on the planet. You know, I don't 1024 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,600 Speaker 1: know if do you feel that way or do you 1025 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,400 Speaker 1: feel the opposite. 1026 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,120 Speaker 2: No, No, I very much feel that way that you know, 1027 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,200 Speaker 2: the older you get, the more you see, the more 1028 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:39,120 Speaker 2: you realize what you don't know, Yeah, of course, and 1029 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,880 Speaker 2: and that impacts how you viewed the world. 1030 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:48,960 Speaker 1: Mhmm. Oh, you know what do you want to have? 1031 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,520 Speaker 1: Do you want to have? We could talk about that. 1032 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,880 Speaker 1: This is a relevant thing. We were talking about this. 1033 01:00:56,200 --> 01:01:00,840 Speaker 1: So we've been talking about AI, like you use you 1034 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 1: you talked to chet ChiPT all the time. Sure, and uh, 1035 01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:13,320 Speaker 1: I've used it before for like therapy stuff and I 1036 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:16,040 Speaker 1: and it's it's contra it's controversial. You you're you're aware 1037 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:17,600 Speaker 1: of the reasons why it's like controversial. 1038 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,600 Speaker 2: There are good reasons for it to be controversial. 1039 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,000 Speaker 1: You know about like it using energy and uh, you 1040 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,000 Speaker 1: know the general fear that people. 1041 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:25,840 Speaker 2: Have about. 1042 01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,520 Speaker 1: You know, being replaced, being replaced and it being in 1043 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:35,439 Speaker 1: control of people and and uh whatnot. But I don't 1044 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,960 Speaker 1: kind of like social media, like it's just become a 1045 01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,480 Speaker 1: thing where like I just used I just use it 1046 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 1: for like everything, talk to it about ship and I 1047 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,400 Speaker 1: use it for I don't not I don't do this 1048 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,000 Speaker 1: that much anymore. But I had a little period of 1049 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,520 Speaker 1: time where like I really needed to just like externalize 1050 01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,200 Speaker 1: some ship. Okay, and AI was really it was helpful 1051 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,960 Speaker 1: for that, like a mirror. Yeah yeah, so okay. So 1052 01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:04,600 Speaker 1: this is from Josh subject line Chat GPT Therapy changed 1053 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,080 Speaker 1: my life. Greetings GEK. I wanted to call in, but 1054 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm from England, so I don't know how to do that. 1055 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about how chat GPT therapy changed 1056 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,840 Speaker 1: my life. I've heard you talk about it, and I 1057 01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:20,480 Speaker 1: got around to it by accident. I took a photo 1058 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,280 Speaker 1: of my daily journal entry after I had a really 1059 01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,280 Speaker 1: bad day, and I uploaded it to chat GPT and said, 1060 01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,240 Speaker 1: analyze this journal entry. It came back and told me 1061 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,200 Speaker 1: what I was living with was not exactly anxiety like 1062 01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:40,440 Speaker 1: I had assumed, but that I had a hypervigilant nervous system. 1063 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,480 Speaker 1: I had never heard of this and was very skeptical, 1064 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,240 Speaker 1: as I know that AI just throws back what you 1065 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,560 Speaker 1: say to it, so I asked it how this hypervigilant 1066 01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:54,440 Speaker 1: nervous system generally affects people's lives Without any prompts or 1067 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,800 Speaker 1: insight into my life, it came back and accurately described 1068 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,680 Speaker 1: exactly the way that I am in every aspect of 1069 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:07,360 Speaker 1: my life helpfully. It explains that this can be treated 1070 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,520 Speaker 1: without medication. See this goes back to what an. 1071 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,240 Speaker 2: Awesome outcome for twenty one dollars a month. 1072 01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,439 Speaker 1: I swear on my life. This is not an ad 1073 01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,400 Speaker 1: for chat GPT, but it is funny that we because 1074 01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,000 Speaker 1: we talked, I mean at the very beginning of this 1075 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:26,560 Speaker 1: we talked about self knowledge and having you know, positive applications. 1076 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:27,800 Speaker 2: Helpfully. 1077 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,840 Speaker 1: It explains that this can be treated without medication but 1078 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,640 Speaker 1: through cognitive behavioral therapy. It felt like a huge weight 1079 01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,200 Speaker 1: off my shoulders to hear that what I deal with 1080 01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,880 Speaker 1: is real and I'm not just crazy. It was more 1081 01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,360 Speaker 1: helpful than any therapist I ever spoke to in the past. 1082 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: And I'm about to start real therapy and I'm already 1083 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,920 Speaker 1: starting to see improvements in my life by following the 1084 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,240 Speaker 1: advice that AI gave me. Thanks for the suggestion to 1085 01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,640 Speaker 1: try that. I've been listening since twenty twenty and I 1086 01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,000 Speaker 1: saw you live in Manchester, England a few years ago. 1087 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,840 Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, thank you, Josh. Keep on getting you know, 1088 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,800 Speaker 1: it's the AI stuff is hard, man, because like like 1089 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:14,560 Speaker 1: I don't like i've it. It's hard because I personally 1090 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,560 Speaker 1: have like done what Josh is talking about doing. Like 1091 01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,200 Speaker 1: I've like copy of paste of my journal and like 1092 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,160 Speaker 1: I have a friend who says that like talking to 1093 01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,480 Speaker 1: chat GPT or like an AI thing is like it's 1094 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,720 Speaker 1: like journaling squared. It's like I'm journaling, but like I'm 1095 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,720 Speaker 1: gettings are getting reflected back at me. I'm still I'm 1096 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,280 Speaker 1: not fully externalizing it to another human being. But like 1097 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's hard because there's like re entering this 1098 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,640 Speaker 1: fucking weird new thing where like you know, there should 1099 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,000 Speaker 1: be boundaries in place and stuff. But but I've experienced 1100 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,440 Speaker 1: but I have experienced what Josh has experienced, or I've 1101 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,720 Speaker 1: externalized something into like an AI thing and it's spat 1102 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,600 Speaker 1: it back out, spat something back out at me, where 1103 01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh fuck, that's like true, you know. But 1104 01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:06,560 Speaker 1: I I hate chat. I use a again this I'm 1105 01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:10,000 Speaker 1: not as no, there's not a sponsored thing, it's just life. 1106 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,520 Speaker 1: But I've been using Gemini more because I I fucking 1107 01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:17,120 Speaker 1: hate Chatchepyta now because it's just like like I'll ask 1108 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,680 Speaker 1: it something and it'll be like good question, and I'm like, 1109 01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,480 Speaker 1: don't I don't need you to tell me this is 1110 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,760 Speaker 1: a good question, Like I hate when it and also like, 1111 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,160 Speaker 1: I hate not not only do I hate that itself, 1112 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:30,840 Speaker 1: but I hate what that implies about the people making it. 1113 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:36,160 Speaker 2: Have you tried explaining to chat Ept that that you 1114 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:41,000 Speaker 2: don't need that kind of handholding and that Chatchapt's responses 1115 01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:42,760 Speaker 2: can be a little bit more to the point. 1116 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,600 Speaker 1: As matter of fact, I know that we were talking 1117 01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,600 Speaker 1: last night. I know that you've done that and it 1118 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,520 Speaker 1: responded by handholding. 1119 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,080 Speaker 2: You know what, I I didn't say that that way, No, 1120 01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:56,720 Speaker 2: I had a different thing, because this is just so interesting. 1121 01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:01,520 Speaker 2: First of all, what's the name of this gentleman, Josh? Well, Josh, 1122 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,680 Speaker 2: I am so happy for you that you have this outcome. 1123 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:10,600 Speaker 2: What a great outcome to have, you know. So, you know, 1124 01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,760 Speaker 2: it's very It's when I'm pounding the keys on or 1125 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,240 Speaker 2: my keyboard on my phone with Chatchept, I have to 1126 01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:24,240 Speaker 2: remind myself this is only code. I'm only talking to 1127 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:31,320 Speaker 2: some really brilliantly compiled code, right, So, and that's good 1128 01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:34,280 Speaker 2: for me. Maybe maybe that's not a good thing for 1129 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,680 Speaker 2: Josh to consider, because, you know, because he did apparently 1130 01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,760 Speaker 2: have such a good outcome, But for me, it's helpful 1131 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:48,480 Speaker 2: to keep that in mind. Of course, you know, I 1132 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:53,720 Speaker 2: I love chatchept. And here's a very very funny feeling 1133 01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,040 Speaker 2: I had recently. So you know, chatchype is always telling 1134 01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,280 Speaker 2: you like, good for you to spot that mistake that 1135 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,280 Speaker 2: I made, or yeah. 1136 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:03,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're passionate about or. 1137 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,120 Speaker 2: You're really thinking about things exactly the right way when 1138 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,680 Speaker 2: you're considering how to approach that hole on your home 1139 01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:15,000 Speaker 2: golf course, or yes, yes, good, you know, yes you 1140 01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:20,800 Speaker 2: should simplify your home studio recording setup, and and that's 1141 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,760 Speaker 2: such a smart move on your Yeah right, and uh 1142 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,920 Speaker 2: and you know what, I'm a human. Uh huh. 1143 01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:29,440 Speaker 1: You know you get a little hit, You get a 1144 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,640 Speaker 1: little hit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get a little hit. 1145 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:38,600 Speaker 2: Then I was reading, uh I am smart my wife's 1146 01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:43,480 Speaker 2: interactions with chatchypt, and they were the same saying, you 1147 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,120 Speaker 2: are so smart and this is such a clever thing. 1148 01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:48,600 Speaker 1: So this is a tragic story. You realize that you 1149 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:49,680 Speaker 1: weren't special, and. 1150 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:55,080 Speaker 2: I felt a little jealous. 1151 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:56,520 Speaker 1: That's a sad story. 1152 01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:01,640 Speaker 2: Well, and that's when I had to remember, this is 1153 01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:04,600 Speaker 2: just brilliantly compiled code. 1154 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,720 Speaker 1: Yes, that's all it is. Yes, So I would say 1155 01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:14,720 Speaker 1: off of that be that like it is really helpful 1156 01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:18,679 Speaker 1: to have like shit like because he said it without 1157 01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,920 Speaker 1: any prompts or insight into my life. It described exactly 1158 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,400 Speaker 1: who I am in every aspect of my life. 1159 01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:22,599 Speaker 2: Like like. 1160 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:29,439 Speaker 1: It is helpful, but I guess also remembering that you 1161 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: know it will try to tell you that you're amazing, 1162 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,400 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe you are amazing, but uh, it's 1163 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,200 Speaker 1: it's you gotta keep in mind telling everyone in the. 1164 01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:42,840 Speaker 2: Josh is amazing. Okay, any any in my opinion as 1165 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:47,160 Speaker 2: a dad, anybody who is a fan of my son 1166 01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:48,280 Speaker 2: is amazing. 1167 01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,160 Speaker 1: It's really sweet, dead all right, so it's really nice. 1168 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:57,600 Speaker 2: I will never question or or you know, try to 1169 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,439 Speaker 2: lessen Josh's experience, which, well. 1170 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:07,360 Speaker 1: I'm glad that he's he's getting he's getting some good 1171 01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:16,200 Speaker 1: help into things. Let's let's do a few more. Okay, 1172 01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,360 Speaker 1: uh yeah, okay, I have a few more that I think. 1173 01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,479 Speaker 1: All right, well, all right, we get into this. I 1174 01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:32,400 Speaker 1: don't know all right, okay, this is from Zeno subject 1175 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,400 Speaker 1: line I developed an unwanted foot fetish. 1176 01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:42,759 Speaker 2: Hey why is hey? Hey? I will hey? Ghak? All is? Well? 1177 01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,120 Speaker 1: Oh hey gak hope all as well. I'll get straight 1178 01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:49,759 Speaker 1: into it. I have developed a foot fetish from being 1179 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:55,360 Speaker 1: bombarded with foot fetish, shame slash media throughout my years. 1180 01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,880 Speaker 1: Since everyone talks online about feet, I have discovered a 1181 01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,040 Speaker 1: hey way more attention to feet than i'd like to. 1182 01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:08,000 Speaker 1: Anytime I see toes or feet, my eyes are automatically 1183 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:12,800 Speaker 1: drawn to them. I'm still unsure whether or not I 1184 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:17,280 Speaker 1: enjoy looking at them. That's the whole email. 1185 01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,600 Speaker 2: What do we have? Who's it from? 1186 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:20,400 Speaker 1: Zeno? 1187 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,200 Speaker 2: Zeno? Yeah? Do we believe Zeno? 1188 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:27,400 Speaker 1: Or do we think this is just a gag email? I? Well, well, 1189 01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,280 Speaker 1: well you know that's you know, you bring up an 1190 01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:33,040 Speaker 1: important thing for this show. In general. Sometimes people call 1191 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,360 Speaker 1: me or email me, and sometimes they're they sometimes they 1192 01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,320 Speaker 1: can be gag emails their phone calls. But the way 1193 01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:43,040 Speaker 1: I see it is, I don't think this is a gag. Okay, 1194 01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,880 Speaker 1: well a, I don't think this is a gag. But 1195 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:50,400 Speaker 1: even if it was a gag, perhaps somebody listening has 1196 01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,840 Speaker 1: this feeling. Man, it's not a gag, So might as well, 1197 01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,679 Speaker 1: you know, approach it like it's not a gag. 1198 01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,760 Speaker 2: Because all right, let's approach it like it's not a gag. 1199 01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:57,639 Speaker 1: Okay, yes, all right. 1200 01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:05,480 Speaker 2: First of all, Zeno, congratulations on identifying something that excites. 1201 01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,479 Speaker 1: You yeah, right, which is yeah. 1202 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:14,519 Speaker 2: And something that's really not destructive to yourself or to others. Right. Second, well, look, 1203 01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:20,200 Speaker 2: if you're a if you're a boob guy, but guy 1204 01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:24,759 Speaker 2: or whatnot, I mean you're looking at at people's private parts. 1205 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,000 Speaker 2: That can be embarrassing, you know, but looking at people's 1206 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:34,200 Speaker 2: feet very seldom are you going to have like hashtag 1207 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:39,320 Speaker 2: me too problem by checking out someone's very nice pedicure. 1208 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,840 Speaker 1: Okay, so what you're okay, So what you're saying is 1209 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:47,320 Speaker 1: that like if Xeno were just like into into into 1210 01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:51,760 Speaker 1: breasts and he he has a he might be like 1211 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,280 Speaker 1: having a conversation with someone and looking at their boobs, 1212 01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,960 Speaker 1: and that would be that would be offensive. But if 1213 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,920 Speaker 1: it's better that he now like he he won't offend 1214 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,360 Speaker 1: anyone by looking at their feet. 1215 01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:10,599 Speaker 2: It's a less dangerous kind of activity. And by the way, 1216 01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:15,280 Speaker 2: I don't think there are hundreds of thousands of people 1217 01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,720 Speaker 2: who have a foot fetish. I don't think there are 1218 01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,920 Speaker 2: millions of people with a foot fetish. I think there 1219 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,559 Speaker 2: are maybe hundreds of millions of people with a foot 1220 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:26,439 Speaker 2: fetish probably. 1221 01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,439 Speaker 1: I mean there's it's you know, there's a lot of 1222 01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,599 Speaker 1: foot fetish stuff that exists. 1223 01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:33,559 Speaker 2: I don't think. 1224 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:38,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that Zeno needs to be ashamed 1225 01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,720 Speaker 1: of his foot fetish. You know, I'm with you. I 1226 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:48,879 Speaker 1: think I think he, uh, he found some that is exciting. 1227 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:51,479 Speaker 2: But look, if you have, if you're out of here 1228 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,759 Speaker 2: listening and you have a boom fetish or a bud fetish, 1229 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,439 Speaker 2: I'm not judging you. I know, I think that's those 1230 01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,599 Speaker 2: are perfectly legitimate things to happen. 1231 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,360 Speaker 1: You know, I don't being into boobs or butts. I 1232 01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,519 Speaker 1: don't think it's I don't think there is such a 1233 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:08,240 Speaker 1: thing as a boob fetish. No, because it's so mean, 1234 01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,080 Speaker 1: because it's so mainstream. I don't think you could call 1235 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:14,599 Speaker 1: it a fetish. But you know, congratulations to you, Zeno 1236 01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:22,080 Speaker 1: on on what you've discovered. Oh here's one, here's a 1237 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,920 Speaker 1: good one. Okay, oh was a perfect one. 1238 01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:25,519 Speaker 2: All right? 1239 01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:31,599 Speaker 1: This is from Dylan, subject line, I don't want to 1240 01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,639 Speaker 1: be an old dad. What's up? 1241 01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:35,040 Speaker 2: GEK? 1242 01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:39,280 Speaker 1: I am DK. I am twenty nine years old, and 1243 01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,719 Speaker 1: I have been extremely single for almost six years after 1244 01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,440 Speaker 1: having only one long term relationship in my early twenties. 1245 01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,760 Speaker 1: When I say extremely single, I mean no action whatsoever 1246 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,400 Speaker 1: for a couple of years it was by my own choice. 1247 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,360 Speaker 1: But for the last few years I've been very open 1248 01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,200 Speaker 1: to a relationship that have had no luck. I go 1249 01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,240 Speaker 1: out to bars, concerts, events with my group of friends often. 1250 01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,559 Speaker 1: I work downtown in my city in a very busy 1251 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:09,639 Speaker 1: building with lots of people. I'm unhinged tinder, and in general, 1252 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,640 Speaker 1: I'm a very normal looking dude. Potentially an eight on 1253 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,400 Speaker 1: a good day, you know. 1254 01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:21,439 Speaker 2: What, regardless of the objective aspect of it. Huh. The 1255 01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,200 Speaker 2: fact that DK believes that he's an eight. 1256 01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:29,880 Speaker 1: That's good, big thumbs up, Big thumbs up, he said. 1257 01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,040 Speaker 1: Potentially an eight on a good day, maybe even higher. 1258 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,400 Speaker 1: I think I'm pretty good looking, so my confidence is solid. 1259 01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:40,120 Speaker 1: There is no in cell energy here, I promise. I 1260 01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,680 Speaker 1: have many theories as to why nothing has happened for 1261 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,080 Speaker 1: me all this time. Part of me feels like God 1262 01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:52,280 Speaker 1: Slash the universe simply didn't think I was mentally ready 1263 01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,760 Speaker 1: to commit to a relationship. I wouldn't present the opportunity 1264 01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,120 Speaker 1: until I was. Maybe I'm still not. I think I am, 1265 01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,679 Speaker 1: but maybe I still need to grow. I definitely haven't 1266 01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,759 Speaker 1: been perfect. Perhaps the city I live in is dry 1267 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,120 Speaker 1: and general and I need to broaden my horizons elsewhere, 1268 01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,479 Speaker 1: expand my distance range on the apps. But I hate 1269 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,439 Speaker 1: the idea of anything long distance. My love language is 1270 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,479 Speaker 1: physical touch, so long distance never interest me. 1271 01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,000 Speaker 2: Every man's love language and I think there are good 1272 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:21,640 Speaker 2: reasons for that. 1273 01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,400 Speaker 1: What do you think of the good good reasons for that. 1274 01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:29,080 Speaker 2: You know, women have touch, women they meet up with 1275 01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,639 Speaker 2: someone there hugging them. You know, you see young women 1276 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,639 Speaker 2: and girls walking hand in hand with each others, totally 1277 01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,400 Speaker 2: a non sexual way. That makes sense, right, So women 1278 01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:43,040 Speaker 2: have touch, that makes sense. Men don't have touch. I've 1279 01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:47,559 Speaker 2: got a very small handful of male friends and family 1280 01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,599 Speaker 2: who all hug. I greet them because because I think 1281 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,200 Speaker 2: touch is really important. But for the most part, men 1282 01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,920 Speaker 2: don't have physical touch in their lives, so in their 1283 01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:02,559 Speaker 2: relationships it's an incredibly valuable thing. 1284 01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:06,040 Speaker 1: I think men, I think men should be. You know, 1285 01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,320 Speaker 1: when I was in its funny it's like this is 1286 01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,200 Speaker 1: like a Middle Eastern thing. Maybe maybe I'm completely making 1287 01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:12,640 Speaker 1: this up, but like when I was in Iraq, I 1288 01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,920 Speaker 1: would see a lot more like uh like like men 1289 01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:20,720 Speaker 1: like touching it, like men expressing like non sexual physical 1290 01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:23,760 Speaker 1: uh uh touch with each other was like a lot more. 1291 01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,559 Speaker 2: I noticed that in that video. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's nice. 1292 01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,599 Speaker 1: Yeah all right, but so hold on, let me finish 1293 01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:35,280 Speaker 1: the email. So perhaps I'm too shy and I need 1294 01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,400 Speaker 1: to try talking in person more or putting myself out 1295 01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,679 Speaker 1: there more. But I think deep down I have the answer. 1296 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:47,280 Speaker 1: I am just too picky. I've had women and men 1297 01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,479 Speaker 1: come on to me, so I should give me hints 1298 01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,840 Speaker 1: over the years, but I've never reciprocated the attraction, so 1299 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,880 Speaker 1: I back out or I rejected them respectfully. I let 1300 01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:59,880 Speaker 1: my tastes overtake my ability to have experience. I've never 1301 01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,559 Speaker 1: had a person that is my type show interest in me, 1302 01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,920 Speaker 1: so it's just a constant chase and a constant pushback 1303 01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,320 Speaker 1: onto those that are interested in me. The problem is 1304 01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,439 Speaker 1: the real problem is that I want to have a 1305 01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,519 Speaker 1: kid badly, and I have always wanted to be a 1306 01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:21,080 Speaker 1: younger parent. Next year I turned thirty, and while yes, 1307 01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,840 Speaker 1: there is plenty of time, and this is something that 1308 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:27,000 Speaker 1: I one hundred percent should not rush having a whole 1309 01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,559 Speaker 1: ass kid. Uh, the thought of having a kid at 1310 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,920 Speaker 1: thirty five and being damned near sixty by the time 1311 01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:37,800 Speaker 1: they're potentially starting college, I hate it. I hate that thought, 1312 01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,320 Speaker 1: at least twenty nine year old me hates that thought. 1313 01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,640 Speaker 1: Thirty one year old me might not if one of 1314 01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,400 Speaker 1: my day one best friends. Uh, one of my day 1315 01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,519 Speaker 1: one best friends is getting married next year, and that's 1316 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,639 Speaker 1: just crazy to me. A couple other childhood friends had 1317 01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:56,439 Speaker 1: kids years ago, and those fuckers are in kindergarten now. 1318 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,519 Speaker 1: I slightly envy them. But also I've had a pretty 1319 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,679 Speaker 1: good single life, really good friends and family and work life, 1320 01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,040 Speaker 1: so I don't think I have that much that I 1321 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,600 Speaker 1: can really complain about. And I hate to complain. This 1322 01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,720 Speaker 1: email has been long enough, and this has been a 1323 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,240 Speaker 1: ramp to the gek man. I feel like the young 1324 01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,600 Speaker 1: parent dream is dead, and yeah, I can't get that 1325 01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:19,519 Speaker 1: time back. But it's so tough to find a let's 1326 01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:23,160 Speaker 1: have a child type of connection where I live, and 1327 01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,479 Speaker 1: so I'm so picky. 1328 01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:32,559 Speaker 2: What's this person's name? Uh? Dk? Oh, this is dkay, 1329 01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:37,759 Speaker 2: This is DK Okay. You know I'm the perfect person 1330 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:38,519 Speaker 2: to respond to this. 1331 01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:39,160 Speaker 1: Yeah you are. 1332 01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:47,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because I was thirty three when I 1333 01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,960 Speaker 2: married your mom. We had Chloe when I was whatt 1334 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,439 Speaker 2: like thirty five. I was thirty five when we had Chloe. 1335 01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,120 Speaker 2: I was thirty seven when we had you, m hm, 1336 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:06,280 Speaker 2: And I've never but you know what, I had a 1337 01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,400 Speaker 2: similar anxiety as I did you did earlier on in 1338 01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:09,760 Speaker 2: my life. 1339 01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,200 Speaker 1: Really tell it's all well. 1340 01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:15,320 Speaker 2: Because you know, I like, I had friends who got 1341 01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:20,240 Speaker 2: married and had children in their twenties, so you know, 1342 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,960 Speaker 2: I was feeling a little left behind, you know. But 1343 01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:31,479 Speaker 2: you know, I had kids, and i've and I've never 1344 01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,880 Speaker 2: felt like I was too old to enjoy being a 1345 01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:40,960 Speaker 2: parent to my kids or to have meaningful a parenting 1346 01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:45,360 Speaker 2: or meaningful relationship with with my kids. So I think 1347 01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,800 Speaker 2: TK is going to be fine no matter what. And 1348 01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:53,680 Speaker 2: the whole concept of being picky is really interesting, you know, 1349 01:19:54,080 --> 01:20:00,759 Speaker 2: listen forgetting it. The whole concept of settling versus on settling, 1350 01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,880 Speaker 2: I think a destructive way to look at it. Please 1351 01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:08,880 Speaker 2: tell you know, I you know, we make choices. We 1352 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:15,920 Speaker 2: make choices, and sometimes we discover that the choices that 1353 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,840 Speaker 2: we made don't really serve us in a way that 1354 01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,960 Speaker 2: we kind of would like, and so we have to 1355 01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,360 Speaker 2: kind of decide to make different choices. And sometimes that's 1356 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:33,880 Speaker 2: painful and sometimes that's ugly. I mean, so you know, 1357 01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:39,800 Speaker 2: I really hear dky and and and Dkay's song. We'll 1358 01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,559 Speaker 2: call it the Dkay's song is a common song of course. 1359 01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:47,479 Speaker 2: You know, it's basically the song of a person, you know, 1360 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,719 Speaker 2: seeking love in the world, love and connection in the world, 1361 01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:54,280 Speaker 2: and how frustrating it is to find that. And I 1362 01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,639 Speaker 2: think it's always been frustrating to find that. And if 1363 01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,479 Speaker 2: we want to go back and say, well, what about 1364 01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:02,639 Speaker 2: the nineteen forties and fifties and you know, when people 1365 01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,840 Speaker 2: would you know, marry somebody from their neighborhood and you know, 1366 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:07,679 Speaker 2: with them. 1367 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,160 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's funny. Is I'm always I think 1368 01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:12,479 Speaker 1: about that a lot. I mean, I talk about it 1369 01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:13,960 Speaker 1: on the podcast question just I think about. 1370 01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:14,200 Speaker 2: It a lot. 1371 01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,599 Speaker 1: Is like uh we lit like, uh, there's two It's 1372 01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,800 Speaker 1: so different dating now versus like in the forties where 1373 01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,519 Speaker 1: it used to be like it used to be like 1374 01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,920 Speaker 1: uh yeah, Like in the forties it was like, you know, 1375 01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,200 Speaker 1: and shit, in fucking many parts of the world, it's like, Okay, 1376 01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:33,080 Speaker 1: you grow up across the street from someone and then 1377 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:38,240 Speaker 1: you get married and then you fucking make it work. 1378 01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,600 Speaker 1: You know, you just make it work, versus versus what 1379 01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,880 Speaker 1: we have now where it's like infinite options, you know, 1380 01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,160 Speaker 1: if something doesn't work out or the first time there's 1381 01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:51,280 Speaker 1: a little snag or whatever, like infinite infinite everything. Here's 1382 01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:54,720 Speaker 1: everyone that exists on the planet Earth, and you have 1383 01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:58,759 Speaker 1: this kind of like illusion or like a paradox of choice, 1384 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:07,280 Speaker 1: and it's like both kind kind of both of those operations. 1385 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how you would say, but both both 1386 01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,519 Speaker 1: of those have their own pros and cons. 1387 01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:19,400 Speaker 2: You know, you know, it's just very hard. Relationships are 1388 01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:25,840 Speaker 2: extremely hard. I mean, even when they're going well, they're hard. 1389 01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:31,519 Speaker 2: You know. I like, I'm super happy in my marriage 1390 01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,360 Speaker 2: right now, and things are going really well for us, 1391 01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:40,040 Speaker 2: but you know, you still have to compromise. There are 1392 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,639 Speaker 2: still things you have to say no to yourself about 1393 01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,519 Speaker 2: and I you don't have to get into them. And 1394 01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,840 Speaker 2: so relationships are just really hard, you know, no matter what. 1395 01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:57,040 Speaker 2: So I'm sympathetic to DK for wanting to have a 1396 01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,240 Speaker 2: certain kind of person. And here's another thing. I love 1397 01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:04,040 Speaker 2: when people come up with like rules or generalizations and 1398 01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:08,799 Speaker 2: I want to say, hey, you know, there's so somebody 1399 01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:14,040 Speaker 2: was talking about, you know, needing needing to write the ship. 1400 01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:17,320 Speaker 1: For our country, and I said, right, the ship. 1401 01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:19,559 Speaker 2: Right the ship. The country needs to write the ships. 1402 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,639 Speaker 1: Okay, American needs to write the ship right. 1403 01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,040 Speaker 2: And I said to this person, I said, there is 1404 01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,920 Speaker 2: no ship. There's three hundred and thirty million ships in 1405 01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:30,120 Speaker 2: a very crowded ocean, of course, you know, and every 1406 01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,439 Speaker 2: ship is going in the direction of its captain. 1407 01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,200 Speaker 1: Wait, I agree with this sentiment, but also, wait, how 1408 01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:39,280 Speaker 1: do you how do you relate that to? 1409 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,640 Speaker 2: So let's go talk to that decay. You know, like, 1410 01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:48,040 Speaker 2: there's no rules for how you should have a relationship 1411 01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,000 Speaker 2: or who you should decide to have a relationship with. 1412 01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm learning that myself too, as I'm like observing 1413 01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,800 Speaker 1: the relationships of like all the people around me, and 1414 01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm really and I'm and I'm really. Oh, there is 1415 01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:06,360 Speaker 1: no right or wrong model of what a relationship. I mean, there's, yeah, 1416 01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,400 Speaker 1: there's some wrong models for what a relationship I look like, 1417 01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,920 Speaker 1: that's for sure, that's for sure, But there is no there's, 1418 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,240 Speaker 1: you know, barring the extremes, there's no right or wrong 1419 01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:18,000 Speaker 1: model for what a relationship looks like. 1420 01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:23,800 Speaker 2: I'm learning and you know what. Look, I married Lyle's mom, 1421 01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:29,479 Speaker 2: and you know, we had two children, we had a home, 1422 01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,880 Speaker 2: we built a lot of things, and it turned out 1423 01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:36,920 Speaker 2: not to really be the right thing for me. And 1424 01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,280 Speaker 2: I dated a whole bunch. And finally, when I was 1425 01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:46,920 Speaker 2: like forty eight forty nine, I met my wife who 1426 01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:53,639 Speaker 2: we have a very satisfying relationship. So nobody, nobody who's 1427 01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:57,439 Speaker 2: twenty eight or twenty nine wants to hear that I 1428 01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:00,000 Speaker 2: gotta wait until I'm forty nine to have a relationship 1429 01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:03,200 Speaker 2: that makes me happy. But just bear in mind that 1430 01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:08,600 Speaker 2: when whatever relationships you have during your life will be 1431 01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:15,120 Speaker 2: hard because because the human beings are extremely complex creatures, 1432 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:20,559 Speaker 2: and the notion that two extremely complex creatures can get 1433 01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,880 Speaker 2: together and enjoy perfect harmony is I think unrealistic. Not 1434 01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,920 Speaker 2: that it can't happen. I just think it's really hard. 1435 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,000 Speaker 1: No, I know what you mean. I'm I'm not I'm 1436 01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:34,679 Speaker 1: realizing that about uh yeah, I'm realizing that like life 1437 01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:38,080 Speaker 1: just can't, like it just fucking it just can't come 1438 01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:42,040 Speaker 1: to you like a la carte, you know it just really. 1439 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:42,800 Speaker 2: I don't know what that means. 1440 01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:47,960 Speaker 1: So I look like, well, it's like like you can't 1441 01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,920 Speaker 1: like pick and choose your favorite aspects of what you 1442 01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,240 Speaker 1: want in a partner and have it, you know, a 1443 01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:57,200 Speaker 1: la cartes, and that you have to see you I have 1444 01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,720 Speaker 1: to just like take it as it is and you know, 1445 01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,280 Speaker 1: bad and the good, like you can't. You kind have 1446 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,760 Speaker 1: to deal with it. But it's hard because people, I 1447 01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:11,480 Speaker 1: think people want like a idealistic version of their existences. 1448 01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:16,640 Speaker 2: Everybody wants love, yeah, and everybody wants to have you know, 1449 01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,920 Speaker 2: just so very happy domestic light. 1450 01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,760 Speaker 1: What was you said earlier? We like doing away with 1451 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:27,439 Speaker 1: the idea of settling or like what why do you 1452 01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:31,679 Speaker 1: think that? I guess you kind of explained it. Yeah, 1453 01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:36,800 Speaker 1: the idea of like there is no settling or ascribing 1454 01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,400 Speaker 1: to like, it's all just like a kind of complex 1455 01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:44,400 Speaker 1: amalgamation of human beings attempting to coexist with each other, 1456 01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:45,599 Speaker 1: which is inherently difficult. 1457 01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,439 Speaker 2: Another thing is, look when you're and this goes back 1458 01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,559 Speaker 2: to one of the things I was saying earlier. You know, 1459 01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,479 Speaker 2: the conversation I'll have with someone who's twenty two, it's 1460 01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,800 Speaker 2: very different than the conversation I'll have with someone who's 1461 01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:00,640 Speaker 2: twenty eight, And not because the person who's twenty eight 1462 01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:04,439 Speaker 2: is smarter or more capable than the person who's twenty two. 1463 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:08,799 Speaker 2: It's just that, having gone through different experiences in their lives, 1464 01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:14,040 Speaker 2: they perceive things differently and they express themselves differently, and 1465 01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:18,639 Speaker 2: you know, and you know a person that you might 1466 01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:25,280 Speaker 2: see when you're thirty two if you had maybe you 1467 01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:30,480 Speaker 2: had not been attracted to or found that person compelling 1468 01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,880 Speaker 2: earlier in your life, but later your maturity will have 1469 01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:40,280 Speaker 2: changed and developed, your perspective on the world will be different, 1470 01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,840 Speaker 2: and so you may perceive qualities in this person in 1471 01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,400 Speaker 2: your thirties that that you missed in your twenties because 1472 01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:55,120 Speaker 2: you just weren't ready to perceive that. So, you know, 1473 01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,720 Speaker 2: you look on social media. I love looking at like 1474 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:03,320 Speaker 2: I read three and I read X and X depresses me, 1475 01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:10,479 Speaker 2: and Threads is basically just like you know, there's troubled relationship. 1476 01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:16,120 Speaker 1: X X and threads are filled with two different types 1477 01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:17,960 Speaker 1: of very extremely insane people. 1478 01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:24,639 Speaker 2: True, yes, true, you know, so you know I feel 1479 01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:28,680 Speaker 2: for DK. Yeah, I guess I've kind of been where 1480 01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,800 Speaker 2: DK is. I've never thought of myself as an eight 1481 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:37,960 Speaker 2: or higher. But you know, it's not just looks. I 1482 01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:42,839 Speaker 2: think I think to a very limited kind of woman. 1483 01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:49,200 Speaker 2: I'm a ten, all right, and fortunately I married woman. 1484 01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:53,640 Speaker 1: Fortunately you were able to find a yeah right, yeah, 1485 01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,200 Speaker 1: So you know that, And you could say that about 1486 01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:58,439 Speaker 1: a lot. There's a lot of people, and maybe most 1487 01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,759 Speaker 1: people it's like listen to a very limited amount of people. 1488 01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:07,599 Speaker 1: Whoever you are, you're ten. Yeah, there was a there's 1489 01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,559 Speaker 1: a there's a woman who called into the show fucking. 1490 01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:12,960 Speaker 1: It might have been the last episode or a couple 1491 01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:14,519 Speaker 1: of episodes ago, I don't know where. She was talking 1492 01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:20,439 Speaker 1: about how she like went she like grew up on 1493 01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:23,160 Speaker 1: an army base with this kid when she was like 1494 01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,400 Speaker 1: they were like in fifth grade, so they was like 1495 01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:27,760 Speaker 1: ten years old and they were like good friends, and 1496 01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,639 Speaker 1: then they both moved away, and like nine years later, 1497 01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:34,040 Speaker 1: she like found him on she was She was like, 1498 01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:36,120 Speaker 1: she didn't just like, oh, oh, look here he is 1499 01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,000 Speaker 1: on Facebook, Like, she went like looking for it, Like 1500 01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,160 Speaker 1: she went to like find a certain really like search 1501 01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:43,720 Speaker 1: through a bunch of profiles and whatever, and she found 1502 01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,160 Speaker 1: like found him, and then they like met up again, 1503 01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:53,200 Speaker 1: and then they got together and they started dating. And 1504 01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:57,280 Speaker 1: I asked her, I was like, do you think, uh, like, 1505 01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,160 Speaker 1: what would you have done if you didn't find him 1506 01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:02,439 Speaker 1: like attractive after all these years? And she was like, 1507 01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,439 Speaker 1: you know, even if he even if he came out chopped, 1508 01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,000 Speaker 1: you know what chopped means no, chopped means chopped is 1509 01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,839 Speaker 1: another of saying ugly, Oh like if someone's chopped. Okay, 1510 01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:16,280 Speaker 1: so she's like, even if he came out chopped, I 1511 01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:19,720 Speaker 1: would love him anyway because just the person he is. 1512 01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:22,559 Speaker 1: So he said to her, he's a he's a ten. 1513 01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess you gotta find whoever. 1514 01:30:26,160 --> 01:30:29,479 Speaker 2: You know. There's a great book that that articulates this 1515 01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:33,479 Speaker 2: concept in a slightly different ways, the book Uh Love 1516 01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:38,280 Speaker 2: in the Time of Cholera by Gabriel Garcia Marquez. And 1517 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:43,000 Speaker 2: I would urge your listeners to ask Chatchip two to 1518 01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,679 Speaker 2: give them somewhere between a one thousand or five thousand 1519 01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,800 Speaker 2: words summary of the book. 1520 01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:50,439 Speaker 1: Or they could read the fucking book. 1521 01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:52,800 Speaker 2: I assume that nobody's gonna read the book. 1522 01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:53,880 Speaker 1: You know, you know what I you know what a 1523 01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,120 Speaker 1: whole lot. Actually, I want to I want to analyze 1524 01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,559 Speaker 1: what I just did because it was a really it 1525 01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:00,439 Speaker 1: was a really asshole thing to do what I said. 1526 01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:02,599 Speaker 1: I want to let me I'm gonna take a second 1527 01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,240 Speaker 1: to analyze what I just said. It's really asshole thing 1528 01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:10,040 Speaker 1: that I just did, because I'm gonna go I'm gonna 1529 01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask Ai to give me a summary of 1530 01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,840 Speaker 1: that book. Now there's just no I'm gonna read the book. 1531 01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:16,679 Speaker 1: But if I but if I asked for a summary 1532 01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:18,640 Speaker 1: of the book, I'll at least know what the book was. 1533 01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:20,440 Speaker 2: I'm not. 1534 01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,480 Speaker 1: I just shot it down immediately because. 1535 01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:25,400 Speaker 2: No, No, the thing is, first of all, if you're 1536 01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:29,000 Speaker 2: gonna use chat chub to ask you to write, what 1537 01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:33,880 Speaker 2: is gonna do it? Has not read the book? Ye? 1538 01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,160 Speaker 2: Not read? I know, I know, we don't and I've 1539 01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,120 Speaker 2: learned that the hard. I know. 1540 01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:44,640 Speaker 1: My dad my dad was asking, we don't have to 1541 01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:47,160 Speaker 1: keep talking about Chatchepe my dad. My dad was asking 1542 01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:51,040 Speaker 1: Chatchepe Tea to uh summarize like an episode of the 1543 01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,400 Speaker 1: show pluribus to him, and it tried. And then my 1544 01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:56,960 Speaker 1: dad got into an argument with chet Cheepe because he 1545 01:31:57,120 --> 01:32:00,000 Speaker 1: was like, you don't you haven't really seen this show 1546 01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:04,840 Speaker 1: you and the was like yeah, but it's but anyway, 1547 01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:08,400 Speaker 1: what's what's the what's the what's the my father summary 1548 01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:08,880 Speaker 1: of the book. 1549 01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,479 Speaker 2: Well, I don't want I don't want spoilers. I don't 1550 01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,000 Speaker 2: want to make a spoiler. But wait, hold on, hold on, 1551 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:19,439 Speaker 2: let but that's so stupid, that's it's not it's not 1552 01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,240 Speaker 2: look we're talking about. 1553 01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,519 Speaker 1: If you're not hold on, can I just if you're 1554 01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:29,880 Speaker 1: not going to read the book. Right, If you're not 1555 01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:34,639 Speaker 1: going to read the book, what were I don't. We 1556 01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:39,960 Speaker 1: can't live in a universe where we're extending spoiler cautions 1557 01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:44,800 Speaker 1: to AI summaries of media. All Right, if you're gonna 1558 01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:46,559 Speaker 1: if you're not going to read the book and you're 1559 01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:49,360 Speaker 1: just gonna summarize it with a I, then I don't. 1560 01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:50,840 Speaker 1: Then you're not. Then I don't think you should be 1561 01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:51,960 Speaker 1: entitled to a spoiler. 1562 01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,280 Speaker 2: I'm not asking your listeners to read the book. I'm 1563 01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,799 Speaker 2: asking your listeners to consume the story. 1564 01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,240 Speaker 1: Okay, I get what, I get where you're going. 1565 01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:06,280 Speaker 2: They're hugely different, but an important distinction. 1566 01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:08,920 Speaker 1: It's like if someone was like, it's like if someone 1567 01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:11,320 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to about a movie, and then you're like, 1568 01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:16,280 Speaker 1: it's like if you were like, like, uh, oh, have 1569 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:20,639 Speaker 1: you seen Marty Supreme? And you're like, oh, I haven't yet, 1570 01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:22,400 Speaker 1: but don't don't tell me how it ends, because I'm 1571 01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:26,560 Speaker 1: gonna read the Wikipedia synopsis of it. I know it 1572 01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:30,000 Speaker 1: sounds stupid, that's exactly what you're saying, but it's. 1573 01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:31,679 Speaker 2: Still a legitimate sentiment. 1574 01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:35,040 Speaker 1: You know what, In my gut, I know I'm gonna 1575 01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:36,679 Speaker 1: be fair to you and I'm gonna be I'm gonna 1576 01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:41,320 Speaker 1: be fair because you know what, in my gut, I 1577 01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,160 Speaker 1: kind of agree with you. We will, we can, we 1578 01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:45,479 Speaker 1: can end soon. I know we have to go soon. 1579 01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:49,519 Speaker 1: In my gut, I kind of agree with you, but 1580 01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,879 Speaker 1: I but I I but also I kind of I 1581 01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:58,120 Speaker 1: if if you care about spoilers. But in my gut, 1582 01:33:58,160 --> 01:33:59,600 Speaker 1: I see it's not that I agree with you. I 1583 01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,160 Speaker 1: see what you mean. But if you care enough about 1584 01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:06,559 Speaker 1: spoilers for this piece of media, like you else, you 1585 01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:07,240 Speaker 1: should read it. 1586 01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to. I'm going to. I'm going to give you. 1587 01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,160 Speaker 2: I was gonna take an end, but I don't know 1588 01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:14,280 Speaker 2: will end it when you think we should end it? Okay, 1589 01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:19,680 Speaker 2: with a statement that summarizes why I even brought up 1590 01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,720 Speaker 2: that book in the first place. Okay, let's do that. Yeah, 1591 01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:26,640 Speaker 2: which is that satisfying love is worth waiting for. 1592 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:34,160 Speaker 1: You know what, I think that's I think that's true. 1593 01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:37,559 Speaker 1: I hope that's true. Dating is for people who are 1594 01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,280 Speaker 1: lucky or patient, is what they say. So if you're 1595 01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:44,280 Speaker 1: one of those two things, you'll succeed, or if you're 1596 01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:47,040 Speaker 1: fucking ripped. I still believe that. I still believe that 1597 01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,800 Speaker 1: people tell me that but I still believe. People tell 1598 01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:50,520 Speaker 1: me that's not true, but I still believe it. 1599 01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:52,880 Speaker 2: It means you'll have more sex. It doesn't necessarily mean 1600 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:53,519 Speaker 2: you'll find love. 1601 01:34:55,560 --> 01:35:01,240 Speaker 1: But the but for but for somebody to love I mean, 1602 01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:09,599 Speaker 1: barring in most relationships, I'm gonna go ahead and say, 1603 01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:13,479 Speaker 1: in most relationships, somebody has to want to have sex 1604 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,719 Speaker 1: with you to I love you, not all. 1605 01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,680 Speaker 2: In the conventional sense. 1606 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:22,920 Speaker 1: Of in the conventional sense of love relationships. 1607 01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that involves a sexual. 1608 01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:28,000 Speaker 1: That involve a sexual complete It doesn't always that's true. No, 1609 01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:34,519 Speaker 1: I agree, it's not true. That's it's it's it's not always. Well, Dad, 1610 01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing this podcast, and then I'm glad 1611 01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:36,920 Speaker 1: I asked you to do it. 1612 01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:40,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is much more fun than that. But you know, 1613 01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:41,160 Speaker 2: and naps are fun. 1614 01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,479 Speaker 1: What did you did? You do you have any major 1615 01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:45,799 Speaker 1: takeaways from the experience? 1616 01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:51,479 Speaker 2: You know, I, I really I like your listeners. I 1617 01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:55,680 Speaker 2: like the emails they were they were thoughtful. And you know, 1618 01:35:56,920 --> 01:36:01,040 Speaker 2: I have a major criticism of myrs. 1619 01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,000 Speaker 1: Of your peers, my peers, but you can you define 1620 01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:04,960 Speaker 1: your peers real quick? 1621 01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:06,640 Speaker 2: Boomers? 1622 01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,360 Speaker 1: Okay, people around my age give us your major criticism. 1623 01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:18,720 Speaker 2: I think they unfairly diminish the the strengths of the 1624 01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:23,280 Speaker 2: younger generations. You know, I I don't think the younger 1625 01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:29,640 Speaker 2: generations get nearly enough credit from my peers for having intelligence, 1626 01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:34,680 Speaker 2: for having sensitivity, for having thoughtfulness, and for contributing to 1627 01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:36,799 Speaker 2: the world beautiful. 1628 01:36:38,479 --> 01:36:39,920 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Dad, I appreciate you doing this. 1629 01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:42,040 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I had a 1630 01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:44,760 Speaker 2: great time, and uh, you know, I look forward to 1631 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:53,599 Speaker 2: reading the comments and asking why my head is not red. Uh. 1632 01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:58,719 Speaker 1: This has been the therapy Getcko podcast. Thank you for listening, 1633 01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,600 Speaker 1: and I will be I will be back in a 1634 01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:07,960 Speaker 1: few days with another episode. Jack bless see you around. 1635 01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:09,320 Speaker 1: Thank you all for listening. 1636 01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:13,320 Speaker 2: Never Ken goes on the line taking your phone calls 1637 01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,880 Speaker 2: every night. Never Can goes doing to ride. He's teaching 1638 01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:18,880 Speaker 2: you a loud to the mover of your life, but 1639 01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,759 Speaker 2: he's not read me an expert