Speaker 1: Fuck Mary Block Dick, lips on the face. Lips on
Speaker 1: the face, Yeah, because you know what I mean, the
Speaker 1: lips on between the leg. Oh, I guess I could
Speaker 1: have just said mouth, I don't know the word. You're
Speaker 1: looking for it, Steve, shoot me, lips on the face.
Speaker 1: You know what we do here, destroy shame around sex
Speaker 1: by talking about sex. Now, let me tell you something messy.
Speaker 1: When life is beating your ass archit. That's what my
Speaker 1: shirt says. Hey, you know, sometimes you smoke a little
Speaker 1: joint and then you'd be on the Instagram or on
Speaker 1: the Amazon or something, and then you make a purchase.
Speaker 1: So I was on the Instagram and I was scrolling
Speaker 1: and Chloe Bailey was selling her shirt because I guess
Speaker 1: she had said when life is beating your ass arch it.
Speaker 1: And then she made a shirt that the bottom like
Speaker 1: has a stick figure like literally it's ass. And I
Speaker 1: was like, and I bought it and I'm don't regret
Speaker 1: it and picked it up for my po box, totally
Speaker 1: forgetting that I bought this and I don't regret it
Speaker 1: because I feel like we all need that reminder, you know,
Speaker 1: which to me is go with the motherfucking flow, you know,
Speaker 1: And if life is going to try and take it
Speaker 1: out of you, don't fight against it. Just just go
Speaker 1: with the flow. Here's what I'll say. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you what a thirteen inch top once told me. As
Speaker 1: I chomped down hard on a hotel pillow that was
Speaker 1: wet with my sweat, he said, breathe, bitch. The realty,
Speaker 1: By the way, the realty is I was. I was
Speaker 1: sweating because we needed the ac. I was chomping down
Speaker 1: because I'm a owner and I didn't want to, you know,
Speaker 1: wake up my neighbors. But I was breathing through my nose, okay.
Speaker 1: And I took that dick like gatorade after a game. Okay.
Speaker 1: Why because before I have sex, I used my dildo
Speaker 1: to open me up. Which is a hack for any
Speaker 1: of you that are going to be taking a bigger dick.
Speaker 1: Don't wait for them to open you up, because the
Speaker 1: top might open you up in a crazy way, or
Speaker 1: it might take a minute. So after you know you've
Speaker 1: done your anal preparation, you know, play with your toy,
Speaker 1: play with your butt plug. What were we talking about,
Speaker 1: By the way, Welcome to the show. This is tell
Speaker 1: me something messy. I am your host Brandon call goodman.
Speaker 1: Some people call me messy mom. You can call me
Speaker 1: a data rade. But the whole point of this is, Babe,
Speaker 1: whatever you're going through, if life is beating you up,
Speaker 1: look it square in the eye and then turn around
Speaker 1: and present your ass and let it pound it and breathe,
Speaker 1: breathe that you got this. You got this all right.
Speaker 1: Let's get the show started, baby. You know what that means.
Speaker 1: Time for a guest. Well, while they get situated, we'll
Speaker 1: get our messy key key started with a whole manifesto.
Speaker 1: Repeat after me aloud or in your head. Grant me
Speaker 1: the surrendering to unpack my shame, the courage to heal,
Speaker 1: the wisdom to know that sex is not just about penetration,
Speaker 1: The audacity to advocate for my pleasure and boundaries. The
Speaker 1: strength to not call my ex that fuck boy, fuck girl,
Speaker 1: or fuck by, for it is better to masturbate by
Speaker 1: myself in peace than to let someone play in my
Speaker 1: mother fucking face. Let the community say, holujah, I am
Speaker 1: so excited to have my girl Zach on the show.
Speaker 1: Zach Campbell is a sought after pop culture personality, entertainer,
Speaker 1: and recording artist. Zach has been featured and has worked
Speaker 1: on multiple platforms including Netflix, Tender, Hello, Ross Graham, Norton
Speaker 1: with Lady Gaga, Beyonce's Formation or Empty, v Awards, Pride,
Speaker 1: and VH one Honors. In addition, Zach has a successful
Speaker 1: and long standing YouTube show alongside his co host Trey Melvin,
Speaker 1: where they tackle pop culture, mental health, and entertainment. Hey Zack,
Speaker 1: it's long overdue. Over this has been a talk in conversation.
Speaker 1: So I'm actually very very excited because I have been
Speaker 1: following Messy Mondays for at least two years now, and
Speaker 1: just like watching it grow into this thing is so cool,
Speaker 1: Like you really took this entire brand of being sex
Speaker 1: positive and like not shameful of like your kinks, and
Speaker 1: I've even learned things like I was like, maybe I
Speaker 1: am like that. Maybe I'm maybe I like this because
Speaker 1: I feel like, especially in the gay community, sex is
Speaker 1: very what's the word I'm looking to talk about it,
Speaker 1: It's just it's a it's an array of things. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't live under just top or bottom, because there's so
Speaker 1: many things to learn. So I am so grateful to
Speaker 1: learn about my body, things that I may like and
Speaker 1: things like that. So you just make it so comfortable.
Speaker 1: So coming on this show with a no brainer, I
Speaker 1: was like, absolutely, you would love to learn even more
Speaker 1: if I can't, come ahead, I do that and you
Speaker 1: I just want a fangirl on you because I have
Speaker 1: been following you for years. One of the things I
Speaker 1: love about Zach is your reactions to when you like
Speaker 1: want you do reaction videos they are it just feels
Speaker 1: like my people. It's like, yeah, that's why aren't y'all
Speaker 1: reacting like that? Like I really need you to be
Speaker 1: like a judging American idol because they're not. We're not screaming.
Speaker 1: I would not for me. They're not yelling. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you really give me. You give the girls the energy
Speaker 1: they need. But the thing is what's interesting is that
Speaker 1: if you really knew me before I even started recording myself, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my friends have experienced this for a long time. I
Speaker 1: believe it, and so I used to do this in
Speaker 1: front of my friends, like okay, So like, for instance,
Speaker 1: I'll never forget when I am Sasha Fears album drop. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was the one that was running around my house
Speaker 1: acted stupid. I did single ades up and down the street,
Speaker 1: I did the routine, I did sing ladies anywhere I could.
Speaker 1: That's right, you know what I mean? You should. And
Speaker 1: I knew that routine from front to back, back to front,
Speaker 1: and I knew live variations. It was the holy ghost
Speaker 1: was in you, the holy ghost of Sasha, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Absolutely. So one day I was just like,
Speaker 1: I my friends got sick of here in my mouth
Speaker 1: every day and I was like, Okay, it's time, y'all, y'all,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take listen Internet, and I said, well, I
Speaker 1: never seen anybody at that time. It was twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: I've never seen or twenty yep, twenty thirteen. I've never
Speaker 1: seen anyone talk about music and like go crazy over it.
Speaker 1: Not even go crazy over, but just like react to
Speaker 1: it in real time, in real time. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just record myself and post it on innet.
Speaker 1: We're all screaming in our Why are we pretendingly? When
Speaker 1: I screaming in that? I hate that. I hate then
Speaker 1: like the coolness of it, Oh yeah, the cool fact,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah? And I think I
Speaker 1: never had that with my career. Yes, I think that
Speaker 1: I made a career off not being cool. And it's
Speaker 1: just not cool. It's not a ship. Now, it's cool
Speaker 1: to be a music nerve, music buff or like fucking
Speaker 1: go crazy in your apartment. It's kind of cool. Now, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'll take it, and that time I'm sitting here with
Speaker 1: you today. Okay, Well let's play a game. Okay, So
Speaker 1: this game is fuck Mary or block. We don't we
Speaker 1: don't kill nobody. We just blocked just the Are you ready?
Speaker 1: I am. I'm very ready. And for y'all at home,
Speaker 1: and not all of y'all, but those of y'all listening
Speaker 1: wherever you are. Some of you might have to brace
Speaker 1: yourself for this one, but we're gonna do it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know. I look
Speaker 1: at your faces, look at your face. I know. I
Speaker 1: know when I wrote it down, when I wrote it,
Speaker 1: Dallas said, you're an unhinged bitch. You're an unhinged bitch. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: I know. I know. It's quite homosopic. This is quite homophobic.
Speaker 1: It's racist, it's misogynous, all the things. Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 1: I had to know the answer. This is a part
Speaker 1: of Trump's campaign. Wow, whoa fuse. Renaissance is a cultural
Speaker 1: moment absolutely, so who you fucking? Who? You block it?
Speaker 1: Why would you do that? I don't know. It's really crazy. Welcome.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, I'm going to fuck for and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna block Renaissance. Oh wow, that's heavy and that's crazy. Can't.
Speaker 1: I just can't let go. I just can't let for.
Speaker 1: I can't block four. It's like blow four made. We
Speaker 1: would not be at Renaissance without four. You're absolutely, I
Speaker 1: just can't. My spirit just like dropped a little bit.
Speaker 1: We can't block. But but okay, so I love to
Speaker 1: know yours. I'm so interesting. Yeah, what is mine? I think?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I think I'm gonna marry Renaissance Renaissance because
Speaker 1: that's the healed girl that I mean. I'm going to
Speaker 1: This is hard, This is hard for you. That is
Speaker 1: the spiritual Oh my god. I mean freedom is literally
Speaker 1: the song of the of the year. Right now, Okay,
Speaker 1: we cut this, this, cut this, cut this, well, just
Speaker 1: on this variety. I'm gonna stick to my hands. It's messy.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't be messy if you didn't be It's okay.
Speaker 1: We'll give you if you say temporarily. Temporarily. It's a temporary,
Speaker 1: it's a temporary. Okay. This one is also a little
Speaker 1: bit hard. Mary Block Dick lips on the face. Lips
Speaker 1: on the face, Yeah, because you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: the lips on between the lake. Oh, I guess I
Speaker 1: could have just said mouth. I don't know. That's crazy,
Speaker 1: that's nuts, okay, I mean, you know, a mouth. What
Speaker 1: you're looking for? The word you're looking for it, Steve,
Speaker 1: shoot me, lips on the face. It's a mouth. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Damn, that's hard. That's hard. Okay, Off the
Speaker 1: fucking rip. I'm marrying ass for sure. I just love
Speaker 1: the confident yeah. Yeah, and the declaration because I know
Speaker 1: I know for a fact, yes, I oh you love that. Yeah, okay, work.
Speaker 1: It's probably the most masculine, the most testaal thing about me,
Speaker 1: Like I become very animalistic when you see that good ass,
Speaker 1: You're like, I want it. It's crazy and I'm very direct.
Speaker 1: The way are you looking at me? I know you
Speaker 1: w up to somebody that as yeah, what's it doing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you're doing? Right? I would love to know for
Speaker 1: a drink really quickly, just to get to know ye
Speaker 1: experience okay, and definitely fucking dick. I don't kiss everybody,
Speaker 1: so you can get the wow. Yeah. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: also like, I love like so like as much as
Speaker 1: I love ass. I love like eating somebody out but
Speaker 1: also grabbing the dick from the back so like. And
Speaker 1: it's something about like like fucking around with ass but
Speaker 1: also playing with dick. Two, I do need a bottom
Speaker 1: that like loves to like have their dig play with
Speaker 1: and like go suck to like you just need. I
Speaker 1: would love that. I mean I could. I know there's
Speaker 1: somebody's like, bitch, you don't even touch it, so I can.
Speaker 1: I can responded that to love please let me do everything.
Speaker 1: Thank and that's all all. That's give me the whole
Speaker 1: menu really quickly. So yeah, I love to like I'm
Speaker 1: such and I'm such a four play king, so like
Speaker 1: I need all of that. So, like I said, I said,
Speaker 1: I fu the dick, but I else bitch and kissing
Speaker 1: is just too too personal for me. Oh got you
Speaker 1: And I love kissing. That's the guy. I love it,
Speaker 1: but it's very intimate. I need to really like you.
Speaker 1: I need to really live for you. See, I need
Speaker 1: in order for my dog to get hard. I need
Speaker 1: to make out really yeah, like okay, like right, because
Speaker 1: like if the kissing ain't given what I wanted to give,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, but if you get on
Speaker 1: that bed and you and your art is crazy, you're here.
Speaker 1: I'm here, I got you the art. Yeah, you give
Speaker 1: me a presentation. I was in Madrid and I went
Speaker 1: over to this guy's house and he wanted me to
Speaker 1: just like walk in and he'd be ready walk in
Speaker 1: and be ready ready I did. I walked in and
Speaker 1: that ass was up and that arch was so sick.
Speaker 1: I said, oh my god, crazy, I said, I have
Speaker 1: to get up in here. I have to get It's
Speaker 1: mandatory at this point, at this one, this one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this what I'm going abroad very soon. Maybe yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: talk off the mic please if I know I'm going
Speaker 1: to Yeah, I didn't get to go, but my friend
Speaker 1: we were just there, my friend, I'm going to a
Speaker 1: to I think I may do Madrid too, so like great, yeah,
Speaker 1: so we'll talk Madrid. The dicks are big, really, the
Speaker 1: asses are fat. That's what I want, baby. I definitely
Speaker 1: want my europop like I need my euro baby. Let
Speaker 1: them pop and pop them back. Okay, okay, so you're
Speaker 1: gonna fuck you're going to marry what I do? I
Speaker 1: would marry the lips the mouth. That's crazy. You're you're
Speaker 1: crazy for asking me these questions. I'm creative. I would
Speaker 1: love to know. I am going to dang hmm, I'm
Speaker 1: going to marry my man, answered Dick. I loved it, yeah,
Speaker 1: the way I loved it. Yeah, oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I love it. Yeah, it's fab. These are unhinged questions.
Speaker 1: I don't know who wrote this blackout when I write these. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna. I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna marry Dick.
Speaker 1: That's fab. I love that for you. Yeah, I'm going
Speaker 1: to I mean, it's a good answer, honest answer. It's
Speaker 1: a really good answer, honestly, and honestly I'm going to ask.
Speaker 1: You have to because why not? Because why it's there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're going to get the rid of the lips
Speaker 1: to kind of get rid of the lips. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just kissing is because everybody can't kiss. Also, that's have
Speaker 1: you ever had like a make up situation? It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes it's you know what, you don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: You're like licking my entire mouth. That's also like when
Speaker 1: they were their tongue slips into the notes and I'm like, baby,
Speaker 1: you're doing what's happening? Why are we? Why are you
Speaker 1: up here? Now? One thing I do live for. Tell
Speaker 1: me now, bitch, get me a bitation, like a biting,
Speaker 1: a little bite of the lip. I'll put you in
Speaker 1: the throat. Sir. Well, that's the game and you won.
Speaker 1: You win my unconditional love. I love it. Okay, Messy patrons,
Speaker 1: if you have prompts for fuck Mary block, you can
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Speaker 1: Speaking of ze yes, love, tell me something messy. Oo,
Speaker 1: this is messy. You've said some messy things I have
Speaker 1: right technically, So here's the thing right recently in my
Speaker 1: I just turned thirty this year, so thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: I am having this new return or this new awakening
Speaker 1: that I've always known, but I've been trying to like
Speaker 1: kind of push it away because I don't want to
Speaker 1: seem boring. Yeah, but here's the gag. I think I've
Speaker 1: been saying I'm a verse top for a long time. Huh.
Speaker 1: But the more the older I get and the more
Speaker 1: like when I get down to a situation or a
Speaker 1: hookup or something I'm not bottoming, and I'm like and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, I know, the verse can't be
Speaker 1: just because I like to either suck dick or like whatever.
Speaker 1: That can't just be verse, Like that's just that you
Speaker 1: should want to suck dick. Understand why you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? So I say all that to say, I
Speaker 1: am now noticing that whatever energy that I'm harnessing and
Speaker 1: whatever new energy that this is of when I'm in
Speaker 1: the bedroom with somebody, it is very very very dominant,
Speaker 1: and I'm even attracted to it. So I was like,
Speaker 1: this is nice. But also in my relationship, I was
Speaker 1: the top the entire three years, So that makes very
Speaker 1: much sense of why the what really was festering under
Speaker 1: came about. So I was looking up with this guy
Speaker 1: and I feel really bad because it wasn't performance anxiety,
Speaker 1: but I definitely got soft and I know exactly why
Speaker 1: because I I forcing it right and like okay, so
Speaker 1: like like forcing the connection, yeah, and all because I
Speaker 1: want to get my dick way, yeah, just to be honest,
Speaker 1: And so he was sucking me and whatever it got,
Speaker 1: obviously I'm gonna get like stiff for that, But I
Speaker 1: think because I wasn't physically completely attracted to the person,
Speaker 1: and I never had this happen before because like I'm
Speaker 1: usually have a problem getting back down. Ah, that's usually
Speaker 1: my issue, like once and it takes me a lot
Speaker 1: to actually like come to like I have to, like
Speaker 1: so a bottoms dream. So what's interesting is funny you
Speaker 1: said that, like this couple of stories, just this other
Speaker 1: guy I was looking up with recently, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I didn't completely fuck him because we're just fucking around whatever.
Speaker 1: And I also love like if I'm going to talk
Speaker 1: to you, like I don't want to fuck you immediately either.
Speaker 1: I love to get to know you and like we
Speaker 1: could full around and shit. But like once I finally
Speaker 1: get between those cheeks, it's going to be a moment.
Speaker 1: So let's let's just continue to get to know each other,
Speaker 1: to discover each other's bodies more. I actually love that
Speaker 1: more because when I actually do fuck, it's going to
Speaker 1: be You're way more comfortable, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like and I and we have a conversation, we have
Speaker 1: a vibe. So I do notice that I don't just
Speaker 1: slink dick in anybody. So I do love that about
Speaker 1: myself love that and that hookup. I was as strong
Speaker 1: as an ox and the entire time, to the point
Speaker 1: where he was like should we because he was like,
Speaker 1: you're not going down at all, Like he was like,
Speaker 1: what's going on? I was like, I was telling him.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, yet, this is what happens like
Speaker 1: when like I'm like ready to go. It's just not
Speaker 1: like unless you got some like USh she gushy good
Speaker 1: ship that like, oh I'm probably have to tap out.
Speaker 1: Is this is crazy and I have that happen like whoo,
Speaker 1: I'll get it back in a second. One second. I
Speaker 1: didn't expect this to be that good. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: So back to the messy story. I he was going
Speaker 1: on and he was like going hard on me, sucking
Speaker 1: and he was what was a decent head. That's good head,
Speaker 1: it's good head. And what happens with me is that
Speaker 1: my brain starts to go and now I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: how much I'm not attracted this getting your head, and
Speaker 1: now my shit going soft, and I feel so bad
Speaker 1: because he's like trying to get it back, like he's
Speaker 1: like oh oh whoa, oh no, okay, let me just
Speaker 1: do that I'll try this, Let me do this, let
Speaker 1: me look out here, let me do And I'm talking
Speaker 1: about like literally got on the like he got on
Speaker 1: the floor, like he got on the bed, on the
Speaker 1: bed why, Like he spread his shit up, like was
Speaker 1: like like okay, like is this what is this going
Speaker 1: to get you going? And it would once again, but
Speaker 1: there was a connection on it. And this is the
Speaker 1: first time in my entire thirty years of life feeling
Speaker 1: like I don't want to do this. I love sex,
Speaker 1: like love sex female male, really doesn't matter. I love sex, right,
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, why am I not like at
Speaker 1: least trying to get a nut off, like because click
Speaker 1: So to be completely transparent, the boy wanted to like
Speaker 1: service me soody like full submissic, completely do what the
Speaker 1: fuck you want to do to me? Type shit? Sure
Speaker 1: love this about But if this was somebody I really
Speaker 1: want to fuck, then this would be any different story.
Speaker 1: This was somebody I was like, oh, so, how did
Speaker 1: you get out of it? Or how did you how
Speaker 1: did you bring it to a close? So I let him.
Speaker 1: I let him like suck me to like let him
Speaker 1: jack off while he was sucking me. No, he came
Speaker 1: from that and I was like, I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 1: I literally literally like I ain't going to use that
Speaker 1: even if I love it. I'm so happy for the
Speaker 1: moment somebody comes. That's literally I really took his hand
Speaker 1: and was like, M so happy for you. I gotta go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta go. He was like, what do you want
Speaker 1: me to do? I was like, I've done my I
Speaker 1: was like, you've done enough for me. I was like
Speaker 1: this made me happy, and he was like oh. I
Speaker 1: was like yeah, okay, I gotta go. Yeah. But you
Speaker 1: know what I appreciate about that is you made sure
Speaker 1: the thing got all yeah, no, because that was shitty, yeah,
Speaker 1: flaccid dick and all by the way, yeahah yeah, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: baby was working with a gummy at this point, Like
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't a gummy. It was definitely like
Speaker 1: that medium like hard, like sure but like it put
Speaker 1: it in, but it can go in your mouth to
Speaker 1: hold it and keep it a little hard. But it's
Speaker 1: not even doing that, like I think a cockering probably
Speaker 1: could say it maybe maybe maybe, so yeah, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure baby boy got his ship because like,
Speaker 1: I just don't want to make anybody feel like they're
Speaker 1: ugly or unattractive. I'm not that girl, I'm not that
Speaker 1: person that's a shitty person. I'm not a dick. So
Speaker 1: I was like, let me at least give him the
Speaker 1: feel that felt like and so. But then now here's
Speaker 1: the fucked up part though, because now that person feels
Speaker 1: as though there's a real connection. They hit me up
Speaker 1: every once in a while. I didn't want to do this,
Speaker 1: and I'm like like that. You know, listen, that's always
Speaker 1: awkward because you want to you want to leave people
Speaker 1: better than you found them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Sex is so vulnerable. So no matter what's going on,
Speaker 1: whether it's the lack of attraction, which is natural happens,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that the person isn't attractive. We all
Speaker 1: have the things that we are attracted to, absolutely, and
Speaker 1: you want to people feel okay. I love making people
Speaker 1: feel sexy, especially if I got you naked, like I'm
Speaker 1: not that person. Make you feel like, because why would
Speaker 1: I ta get here there exactly? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's like I was at least maybe I was
Speaker 1: curious something like that. But the follow ups are always
Speaker 1: can be difficult if you're not into it. The follow
Speaker 1: ups are not the best, but you know you do
Speaker 1: your best. Yeah, I busy schedule, but I'm see what
Speaker 1: the schedule is looking like, and the schedule is never
Speaker 1: going to be there, but you know what it's like,
Speaker 1: or you say I mean which I don't know? What
Speaker 1: do you? Let's think about what you would prefer, because
Speaker 1: I know some people are the school of thought of
Speaker 1: like you say it like I'm not attracted to you,
Speaker 1: or I'm not into you, or like I think this
Speaker 1: is whatever, And some people are of the school of
Speaker 1: thought of like, well you let that shit fade. I
Speaker 1: love learning some shit. Slowly die, That's my favorite thing
Speaker 1: because when it happens to you when somebody slowly, Like
Speaker 1: do you prefer that from other people? For slowly die?
Speaker 1: What interesting? I rather you tell me you hate me?
Speaker 1: Please tell me you just hate me. First of all,
Speaker 1: I'm new to the streets really right, uh huh, So
Speaker 1: I'm not looking forward to like that. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: it's going to come oddly enough, though, I've been attracting
Speaker 1: women lately too, and that's been interesting for me. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, got you gotcha love, I'm like, am I pan?
Speaker 1: What is happening? Yes? Because have you wanted to reciprocate absolutely, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're on a whole journey. You know, it's a whole band,
Speaker 1: it's a whole thing happens. Only only thing that's not
Speaker 1: happening is my bottom. Yeah, sure not, I'm just not
Speaker 1: interested baby steps. You might and maybe not. And I
Speaker 1: know that everybody says like, you know you have that
Speaker 1: one boy that can change, and I do they believe
Speaker 1: in that. I'm sure that I'm going to come across
Speaker 1: a man that is going to make me feel very
Speaker 1: comfortable and probably get his life. I used to just
Speaker 1: be a bottom and then I met somebody and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, you need to use your Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sure somebody was like, why is your dick so big?
Speaker 1: And why are we not using that? So and so
Speaker 1: I do know that there's a possibility for me to
Speaker 1: get into bottomy one day, but like, I'm just not
Speaker 1: a rush, like of course I've tried it. Of course
Speaker 1: I've done it, broken into sweats, had a full panic,
Speaker 1: attacked the shock. If you not, if you listen when
Speaker 1: I say, bottoms run the world, and I mean this
Speaker 1: with my chest, Bottoms run the world. And I don't
Speaker 1: care what the tops think that they're like in control you. No,
Speaker 1: maybe bottoms literally run it, run it. You're from the
Speaker 1: top to the bottom, like the right bottom will show
Speaker 1: you that trying to. I can be submissive, but maybe
Speaker 1: I'm actually dominant. You can be domb as a bottom.
Speaker 1: I don't think people understand I'm like power bottom. Honey,
Speaker 1: I've had somebody change, like you fucked me? Ha, whoa
Speaker 1: watch me squad on that dig man. I'm very much
Speaker 1: like after that, what do you do you need anything?
Speaker 1: As you should? Lights that every top listening as you
Speaker 1: should when that bottom gives you what they give? What
Speaker 1: do you need from me? After that period? Like do
Speaker 1: you want to go for dinner? Do you like me?
Speaker 1: I am? I won't say I think I am a
Speaker 1: good host, though yes I'm a beautiful host, like to
Speaker 1: the point where you think I'm your boyfriend, and you know,
Speaker 1: I have a ride with that. But I vibe with that,
Speaker 1: and I think that that I wish that more. I
Speaker 1: wish that that was actually the standard. Yeah, that we
Speaker 1: could allow each other to give boyfriend girlfriend day friend
Speaker 1: vines or what we're classifying as that, which is just
Speaker 1: honestly kindness is not the tea just being nice nice,
Speaker 1: It's really just being considerate, yeh, nice considered respectful. That's literally,
Speaker 1: that's literally is really that simple? That should be the
Speaker 1: stand I don't. But also, like I said, back to
Speaker 1: the point of I don't just throw dick on anybody.
Speaker 1: And I realized, I think the reason why I have
Speaker 1: had the like spontaneous like gym sex, yeah, is because
Speaker 1: I'm so picky. Of course, I'm so like, you can
Speaker 1: be bomb ass sexy, and I'm like, but I kind
Speaker 1: of want to get to know you too. And so
Speaker 1: my friend told me a little my friend may be
Speaker 1: a what is it a psycho sexual or something. It
Speaker 1: was a it was a term for it. Actually that
Speaker 1: where you need to get to know somebody be for
Speaker 1: you have to like we want to fuck that, yes,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I think that's also I think
Speaker 1: that's alcial classified and we can double check dummy sexual,
Speaker 1: dummy romantic, Like you have to know you're attracted to
Speaker 1: the person's aora are and that's what it is to
Speaker 1: get to know them that turns me on. Like the
Speaker 1: physical I bro, I can I can probably do for
Speaker 1: a play with anybody, sure that sucking and licking and
Speaker 1: any when now. We could do it that all day long.
Speaker 1: But like me, actually fucking you is like that's a
Speaker 1: big deal for me, even as a top, like I
Speaker 1: know as tops are like, bitch, I just just want
Speaker 1: to fuck, and I appreciate that. I love. I want
Speaker 1: to be a fuck nigga so bad. I really do,
Speaker 1: I really really do. I wanted to come out of
Speaker 1: me somewhere, but it's I'm such a lover boy. I'm
Speaker 1: honestly really a sweet boy. And I hate that song.
Speaker 1: Can I can? I two things? One like, don't hate
Speaker 1: it because I think that that was what actually uh
Speaker 1: stunted my hope. Growth was trying to be like quote
Speaker 1: unquote the other game, which is like I can fuck
Speaker 1: right now hearing that. But once I accepted that I'm
Speaker 1: actually much more emotional and much more of a lover,
Speaker 1: it just made sex better because it's like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: okay that I'm a little picky, like I can't connect
Speaker 1: with you one or that I need to know how
Speaker 1: you make out before we like that's like it's if
Speaker 1: that's your thing, that's your that's my thing, man. I
Speaker 1: want to do the Don't get me wrong, I do
Speaker 1: like I want to go to like a circuit party
Speaker 1: and go to the lash room and do the do
Speaker 1: the damn come on them. I've seen it, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's cool. But I've learned that I can't do the
Speaker 1: dark room if I don't have emotional connection outside of that.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's it's the emotional connections that I
Speaker 1: have with other people, including my my husband and boyfriend
Speaker 1: outside of the dark room that allows me to go
Speaker 1: in the dark room having a good time. But when
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling connected outside, then like the dark room
Speaker 1: is actually a tortuous place, right, Okay, So okay, I
Speaker 1: don't feel so alone. I definitely feel as though I
Speaker 1: know for a fact, and I've been trying to, like
Speaker 1: I've been battling it, honestly, and it kind of been
Speaker 1: almost an insecurity of mine where I felt as though, like,
Speaker 1: am I not gay enough? Like I kind of envy
Speaker 1: the boys that could just like be hot, fuck on
Speaker 1: somebody random and just like let them be. I think
Speaker 1: that's hot. By the way, I don't think that's a shame.
Speaker 1: I think that's sexiest shit. However, Comma, I'm mad that
Speaker 1: I am not that kind of person, because one I
Speaker 1: don't really trust people in my personal space like that.
Speaker 1: And I honestly just feel like I'm a treat. I
Speaker 1: feel like I am a really I'm an experience. I
Speaker 1: feel like I know that there's nobody else like me.
Speaker 1: So I feel as though when I'm giving you this
Speaker 1: much power, because when you do have sex, you're giving power.
Speaker 1: Well it's you're you're giving, you're taking. It's a mutual.
Speaker 1: Absolutely hopefully it should be. Yeah, And so I really do.
Speaker 1: I have realized that one I do like the Cat
Speaker 1: and Mouse. Yeah, like the Chase. Fuck, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I love boys that like come over my house, probably
Speaker 1: came over something sexy, came over in a jock or
Speaker 1: something like intentionally like cleaned out like you I could do,
Speaker 1: I could fuck you right now. But they they are
Speaker 1: probably just like probably sit on my face or like
Speaker 1: they're probably like we'll probably like talk all night and
Speaker 1: they on my face or something, and that's all I'll get. Yes,
Speaker 1: I that does it for me. That does it? So
Speaker 1: I noticed, like I love that cat and that Cat
Speaker 1: and Mouse, that Chase that like not like desperation Chase,
Speaker 1: not like but just ain't texting me. It's a four place,
Speaker 1: I guess that's what it is. It a four play,
Speaker 1: it's something because but I feel like when we finally
Speaker 1: crossed that bridge, like it's going to be magical. Can
Speaker 1: I say for anyone listening, four play is not just
Speaker 1: about like you know, eating ass and sucking dick or
Speaker 1: yea four play is. It's the texting, it's the eyes
Speaker 1: across the room, it's the eyes of the gym. It's
Speaker 1: like four plays starts the minute sex ends, like the
Speaker 1: minute that sex ends. Four plays and beginning. That's very
Speaker 1: true because even after sex, that it is a vibe
Speaker 1: or something is good. Yeah, there's a different like you
Speaker 1: text different, you talk different. You almost can't wait to
Speaker 1: see them again. Absolutely, So like I think I like
Speaker 1: that for and after and I think I will say
Speaker 1: this is probably why. I think what you've actually revealed
Speaker 1: is the lover boy in you who is picky and
Speaker 1: who wants whatever. I think the reason that that bottom
Speaker 1: didn't work out for you because it's probably against you
Speaker 1: were just like I'm trying to get my dick what
Speaker 1: which is probably not your actual you ate that you
Speaker 1: just right, that's exactly that's maybe your lover boy, because
Speaker 1: like I said, and man, mind you if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: I think he's in a relationship, but they're open, okaything
Speaker 1: like that, And I was always I was like, are
Speaker 1: you all okay? I was like, if I fuck you,
Speaker 1: your husbands gonna you're gonna know your hole is not
Speaker 1: gonna go turn you around to say so, I'm just
Speaker 1: telling all my business, but exactly in Europe, going to
Speaker 1: see if I'm gonna have like my random spare of
Speaker 1: the moment thing, but you know what I mean, like
Speaker 1: especially if the spare of the moment, like if you
Speaker 1: if you hit up not to pull a grinder grinder
Speaker 1: sponsored me. I'm not in By the way, I haven't
Speaker 1: been on since my have I been like single almost
Speaker 1: three months. Yeah, I haven't been on any apps or
Speaker 1: anything yet. Well, listen, whenever I travel, I do pay
Speaker 1: for the unlimited grind. That makes sense. When I wish
Speaker 1: I should do that, and you're going abroad like for
Speaker 1: like a month of that unlimited, let me go ahead
Speaker 1: and get you get your and the words literally get
Speaker 1: your dick web, get your dick web. But also with
Speaker 1: this thing I'll say about especially like Europe, they are
Speaker 1: so they're lover boys as well. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: more because I can't just do one person on the
Speaker 1: entire time I'm there. I can. I love that, I
Speaker 1: love a vacation. I love vacation like this is once
Speaker 1: we lieve. I know I probably wants peak to me again. However,
Speaker 1: this these two weeks, I'm here, the dinners, the lunches,
Speaker 1: the sex. I think I would if I were to
Speaker 1: get a relationship like my next relationship. I don't even
Speaker 1: know when that will be, and I'm not waiting on it,
Speaker 1: but like I will say that I will be open
Speaker 1: to like an open relationship. Sure in the sense of
Speaker 1: I love this boy, but like we love other people, yes,
Speaker 1: and so like I don't know if I would like
Speaker 1: take somebody in though, sure, but like as far as
Speaker 1: like having a boyfriend, or like having a consistent fuck buddy,
Speaker 1: or like with my partner, that sounds fun. Start a babe.
Speaker 1: You can start off with just the threesome, just the
Speaker 1: dark rooms, and then and have conversations, open conversation with
Speaker 1: your partner and then build it from there. Yeah, would
Speaker 1: you guys ever swap partners or ship? Would I ever
Speaker 1: like or would you have like one big ORGI or
Speaker 1: something like? Well, one I would love to. It is
Speaker 1: a dream of mine. It will happened one day. I
Speaker 1: would love to curate the most luxurious sex party. I
Speaker 1: will be there. Yes, honey, I want to go to
Speaker 1: one so bad I have one I once again. Okay,
Speaker 1: so my queerness, let me just put this prepos because
Speaker 1: I'm not like I didn't come out for I didn't
Speaker 1: come out because of boys or sex. I came out
Speaker 1: because I wanted to wear heels at my talent show.
Speaker 1: So good answer, good answer. Yeah, so my queer story
Speaker 1: is a little different. I came out because I wanted
Speaker 1: to dance and be in heels. Yeah, I won the
Speaker 1: talent show, but like I wanted to be my authentic
Speaker 1: self and I didn't want people to ask me. And
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I like niggas, like we're moving on,
Speaker 1: moving on, and you know, so like I didn't in
Speaker 1: high school, like of course I fucked around a little bit,
Speaker 1: but like I didn't like take it there because I
Speaker 1: didn't give a shit. And also I was focused on
Speaker 1: the performing arts of it all. And I had a girlfriend,
Speaker 1: and I had two girlfriends in high school. So by
Speaker 1: the time I got to college, I was fucking on.
Speaker 1: I had a boyfriend in college. That was my first
Speaker 1: boyfriend in my entire life in college and we were
Speaker 1: together for like two years off and on, and that
Speaker 1: was like my first like legit bottoming era. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is the bottoming era. This a lot. So I never
Speaker 1: really had like out of that relationship, like I you know,
Speaker 1: single for like three years when I moved to LA.
Speaker 1: And when I moved to LA, like I didn't even
Speaker 1: I had some fun, but like nothing crazy, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't do anything insane, like just hook up off app
Speaker 1: or something. Nothing crazy. And so like I come to
Speaker 1: now being thirty out of another relationship. I've only had
Speaker 1: two in my entire life, so that there's this second one,
Speaker 1: I'm now realizing that I have a lot of catching
Speaker 1: up to do. I have not had the like sex
Speaker 1: party experience. I've had a bath house experience. I haven't
Speaker 1: had like an orgy experience, these things that I like
Speaker 1: really am interested in, like I've never been there, but
Speaker 1: like I'm so here to try it, like I love
Speaker 1: the artist like I love One thing I've learned about
Speaker 1: myself too is that I could also be aside, oh work,
Speaker 1: which side is somebody who doesn't necessarily want penetration. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's all other things about petration, which I love.
Speaker 1: I absolutely I love frauding. Yeah, I love like just
Speaker 1: being like in a room full of people jacking off,
Speaker 1: like I haven't done it, but I would love to
Speaker 1: do it. Yes, that seems very very hot to me.
Speaker 1: Can I say that you're not catching up? You're right
Speaker 1: on time? Oh? Thank you? Absolutely right. My first sex
Speaker 1: party was I'm thirty seven now. It was like thirty
Speaker 1: four sad okay, okay, okay, okay, journey it just started, okay.
Speaker 1: I just felt like so many people and had this
Speaker 1: life and I'm like, bitch, some of the people, you know,
Speaker 1: this is the thing. Some people have a fucking forever.
Speaker 1: You know. God, it's just you know, and we bound
Speaker 1: out to you. Yeah, we loved you. Now. I love
Speaker 1: those Honestly. Let me tell you something, I never shame
Speaker 1: nobody because let me tell you something, I love sexual
Speaker 1: positive people. Of course, if you're not hurting anybody at least,
Speaker 1: if you're doing it safely and you're protecting yourself, you're
Speaker 1: protecting it. The word bitch, go go off like that
Speaker 1: shit is so hot to me. I just I'm not
Speaker 1: that person. However, I respect the community. But you're expanded,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Beautiful And I do love
Speaker 1: that I'm expanding my queerness. Now. I am now currently
Speaker 1: off at the day I'm recording this podcast. I am
Speaker 1: going through this new journey if even just I've lost
Speaker 1: over one hundred and like twenty pounds, oh my god.
Speaker 1: So like when I first moved to out, I was
Speaker 1: like almost four hundred pounds, believe it or not. Wow,
Speaker 1: And so it has been a ernie and I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm finally getting to this new self. And because
Speaker 1: of that, I am exploring every fantasy I've ever had,
Speaker 1: Like my biggest, biggest fantasy, like number one is to
Speaker 1: I want two guys or two guys one girl so bad.
Speaker 1: So I need you to understand like that is like
Speaker 1: if I ever find a girl and a guy that's down,
Speaker 1: it's happening. Absolutely, I absolutely just need to make that happen,
Speaker 1: and I know that it will happen. Absolutely want to gag.
Speaker 1: Here here's my polyamazed relationship. Big, give me a guy
Speaker 1: and a girl. Fab, that's fab. I have a boyfriend
Speaker 1: and a girlfriend, so fab, You're I could do it?
Speaker 1: You lit up on that could be? But I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't identify as by either though. So that's the
Speaker 1: labels here cases. The labels are for you, not for them, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I'm like, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what I would label myself as. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: I think for us, labels are like, this is how
Speaker 1: I can identify, so I can like find my community whatever.
Speaker 1: But in actuality, because we continue to build new labels
Speaker 1: because the human experience is so bad and it's changing
Speaker 1: and it's changing, and I think people are more open
Speaker 1: about it changing, yes, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: like that used to be in the closet are now
Speaker 1: coming out, so like the norms that were always there
Speaker 1: are now becoming the general norms. Yes, And so I
Speaker 1: do feel as though I can have a girlfriend a
Speaker 1: boyfriend if I wanted to, and still be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love being a fag. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's one of my I don't know. That's the beauty
Speaker 1: of queerness. It's this beautiful umbrella that I think just
Speaker 1: means fuck the system, absolutely absolutely, and I think that's
Speaker 1: what I love in general. That's why I just always
Speaker 1: just identify as queer anyway, because I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could, because I could fuck a trans man. I
Speaker 1: love them. I think they're one of the most beautiful
Speaker 1: people in the world and I find it very very
Speaker 1: And I love my trans girls too, because I've had
Speaker 1: some trans girls hit up on me and I'd be like, girl,
Speaker 1: miss lady, missing, got a back down, girl, girl, I'll
Speaker 1: have my girlfriend now, don't play with me. And so
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like I said, I just love I
Speaker 1: love love, I love people. And I think that I'm
Speaker 1: just realizing that as I'm growing older and I'm learning
Speaker 1: more about my sexual identity, I really am not as
Speaker 1: simple as I thought it was and just life and
Speaker 1: just dick an asshole. I'm like, actually I could, I
Speaker 1: could get down with a couple of things. Actually I'm
Speaker 1: not as simple as I thought I was. I think
Speaker 1: that that is that's most important. Put that on merch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you're not. You're not as simple. You're as vast
Speaker 1: and as expansive and magical as the universe itself. Absolutely
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Absolutely, I love that. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: that you came. I'm very happy, this was this, this
Speaker 1: is that much need Kiki. I'm leaving feeling lighter and
Speaker 1: happier and absolutely and not like I said, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm you've definitely as you've always been doing with messy mondays,
Speaker 1: but you've definitely made me feel more comfortable in the
Speaker 1: things that I thought were either left behind or weird
Speaker 1: or like underdeveloped. Yeah, and I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of other queer people out there that maybe feel the
Speaker 1: exact same way as me, that are like they love
Speaker 1: set culture but like are not in it like that
Speaker 1: because they don't really identify with it, but like appreciate it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that is who I am, And I guess that's
Speaker 1: I used to think that wasn't cool because I thought
Speaker 1: like to be queer was to be sex positive. Sure,
Speaker 1: I used to think that was like the equal like
Speaker 1: it had to be, had to be And it's like, actually, no,
Speaker 1: Like if you are, don't, if you just like people
Speaker 1: and you want to get to know people, it's that's
Speaker 1: just that's your that's your thing. Very queerness goes beyond
Speaker 1: who you're fucking. And I think that what queerness really
Speaker 1: is is how do you want to fuck? You know,
Speaker 1: like like not how you were taught or how psighty is,
Speaker 1: how do you think you think, but like, how do
Speaker 1: you and how do your partners want to play with
Speaker 1: each other and giving each other space to do that.
Speaker 1: I really I do realize though I do have quite
Speaker 1: advantage though because I am a lover boy. I hate
Speaker 1: to say this cause I'm giving away my game a
Speaker 1: little bit, But what I've realized is that boys get
Speaker 1: a little bit more obsessed with me than usual. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because then I used to the boy. Yeah, they're not
Speaker 1: a lot of love boys out there, and you don't
Speaker 1: use as like a hookup. You you actually give a fuck.
Speaker 1: I will let you use me more. Oh. I feel
Speaker 1: like absolutely, I've seen that. I've seen the switch. I've
Speaker 1: seen I've seen it like go from like oh, let's
Speaker 1: just do a little something to like wait, I need
Speaker 1: tode me. And I was like, all right, so but
Speaker 1: it's nice to hear that that is that that's who
Speaker 1: I am, and that's that's what that's what You're fine.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not missing nothing out on not just
Speaker 1: talking about an yourself exactly exactly right. Thank you for
Speaker 1: being here, thank you for having me. Well you already
Speaker 1: know that we are hoes here, but hose with heart.
Speaker 1: So before we get out of here, let me speak
Speaker 1: to yours. When Zach said I'm not as simple as
Speaker 1: I thought I was, I could like cry at that,
Speaker 1: because I do think that that is my hope for
Speaker 1: everyone listening, and my hope for every human is to
Speaker 1: realize that you're not as simple as you think you are,
Speaker 1: or as the world might lead you to believe you are.
Speaker 1: I think that we're just all such expansive and nuanced
Speaker 1: individuals who are not meant to fit in these boxes
Speaker 1: of this thing and that thing. And you can do
Speaker 1: that and you can't. Like I think that the for
Speaker 1: me at least, and what I hope for you as well,
Speaker 1: is that the purpose of this life is to explore,
Speaker 1: is to be curious, is to expand, is to try things,
Speaker 1: is to learn about yourself. Like otherwise, whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: are we doing here? You know, to build your own blueprint.
Speaker 1: And so if there's one thing that you leave here with,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure there are so many things you can
Speaker 1: leave here with, but I hope you remember that you
Speaker 1: are not simple, that you are not a simple person,
Speaker 1: that there are so many complexities to you that even
Speaker 1: you have to discover. And I hope that you spend
Speaker 1: the rest of your life, attempting to discover it and
Speaker 1: holding on to whatever lessons are value, letting go whatever
Speaker 1: is unnecessary. But don't sell yourself short. Don't undercut yourself.
Speaker 1: You are a beautiful masterpiece, a tapestry of complexities that
Speaker 1: deserves to be explored. All right, well, I gotta get
Speaker 1: out of here. You can find Zach on Instagram at
Speaker 1: Zach Campbell that's Zach with an eighth honey, or on
Speaker 1: his YouTube channel also called Zach Campbell. You can find
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