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Speaker 1: if you don't trust it or believe it, that's cool.

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00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,879
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not changing what I'm doing now. Like

426
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,199
Speaker 1: I know where I am now and I'm good with it.

427
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,399
Speaker 1: I think that the really cool end of this story

428
00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,720
Speaker 1: is I think you're and I could be wrong. I

429
00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:42,760
Speaker 1: think your most recent number one was the drinking beer

430
00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,000
Speaker 1: talking got am in with Yeah. So I mean, and

431
00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,480
Speaker 1: that was the point I was gonna get to is.

432
00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you go through seasons. If you're close to people,

433
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter who it is, family member, best friend.

434
00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,119
Speaker 1: You're not really close unless you also get into it

435
00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,040
Speaker 1: a little bit because if you're that close all the time,

436
00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,280
Speaker 1: there will be tension. It doesn't matter. I mean, Mike

437
00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,160
Speaker 1: goes everywhere with me and Eddie and we're so close.

438
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,960
Speaker 1: Every once in a while, get it flares up. Yeah,

439
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,120
Speaker 1: because we're just freaking Humans And the end of this

440
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,400
Speaker 1: version is You're that last number one song. Those guys

441
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,280
Speaker 1: are on it with you. It's and that was their

442
00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,520
Speaker 1: last one of their I don't know what they had,

443
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,000
Speaker 1: you know as FTL. But um, we never even talked

444
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,080
Speaker 1: about it either. There was so much attention and it

445
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,040
Speaker 1: blew up in our face that we just didn't talk

446
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,040
Speaker 1: for years. But that also pushed me to go figure

447
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,960
Speaker 1: out my own thing. And then we were in Australia

448
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,680
Speaker 1: in a parking lot after we literally a hotel parking lot,

449
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,119
Speaker 1: after we'd done a show in Australia, and we just

450
00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,840
Speaker 1: started hanging out again. We just we had a night.

451
00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 1: We were never addressed it, you just like never talked

452
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,399
Speaker 1: game on. It's like Wayne's World game. I think I

453
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,800
Speaker 1: think we're just so much time had passed. Um. Yeah,

454
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 1: we were good after that. And then Tyler and I

455
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,920
Speaker 1: have a lot of real conversations even now, like we're

456
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 1: just I don't know, we can just go deeper than

457
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 1: we used to be able to. Like I listened to

458
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,359
Speaker 1: his whole record in his truck, um, and I played

459
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,800
Speaker 1: him five or six of mine and we just had

460
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,400
Speaker 1: a good day. Like I don't know, we just never

461
00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 1: had to talk about it. It was just water under

462
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,520
Speaker 1: the bridge at that point. I credit Tyler too a

463
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,240
Speaker 1: bit for because Tyler and I for some reason, he

464
00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,879
Speaker 1: went after me once I'm serious, and I was like,

465
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 1: what's happening right now? And I was like, all right,

466
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 1: like I'll mix it up. I do not care. I

467
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,439
Speaker 1: felt like I'm a little more mature. I'll look back

468
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 1: at some of the stuff I did and I was like, oh,

469
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,520
Speaker 1: I wish I would have done that, because there's definitely

470
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 1: some feuds. I went after too hard, too aggressively because

471
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 1: I insecure. I was insecure, so I was like, if

472
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,280
Speaker 1: you're gonna hit me, I gotta hit you back ten

473
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: times so people don't think I'm weak. And I wish

474
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 1: I didn't have that mindset, but that's what I would do.

475
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 1: And we went into it hard and then it was

476
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 1: just the occasional run in. This was awkward, but a

477
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 1: little less awkward, little Les Award, a little Les Award.

478
00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,360
Speaker 1: And I was at a place where I was struggling

479
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,920
Speaker 1: big time, and I talked to Dave Heywood from Lady,

480
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 1: who I really like because he's very analytical but he's

481
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 1: also super creative. Somewhere that I have to be and

482
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, you should do you should go to

483
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 1: him on site. And then I met Tyler for coffee

484
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 1: and again Tyler and I hadn't gone along for a

485
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: long time. And then it was less and less awkward,

486
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 1: but we still weren't boys. And he was like, hey, man,

487
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 1: like I know, way, it's been super cool, but if

488
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 1: we're both willing to sit down here, like we're very

489
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,919
Speaker 1: like minded, this is why this place and he just

490
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 1: do is that a real like real talk? And I

491
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: went like two days later, and like I credit him

492
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: to go for going for like six days, which I

493
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 1: never do. I can't get away from work. I'm obsessed.

494
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm afraid if I fail, I'm done. Like I don't

495
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 1: have to. I don't have any security in my mind. Yeah,

496
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 1: so I went and that's like that was like, that's

497
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 1: a real thing from that dude who in the play

498
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 1: part of This World we were fighting like crazy, but

499
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 1: like in the human part, once you like get back

500
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,719
Speaker 1: down and just sit down and look at each other

501
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,199
Speaker 1: in the eye. It's like I had the same thing

502
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 1: with Kip More. We got into a big fight, yeah,

503
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: and Kip was like, let's just have breakfast and I

504
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: was like, all right, and we did. We've been a

505
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 1: plus ever since because the human part of it right

506
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: takes over, but so long we avoid that because we're like,

507
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: we're pissed, you know, we don't want so it's cool

508
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 1: that you guys just played a show together in Australia.

509
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: And then I got up in saying cruises in that.

510
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 1: They asked me too, what are you surprised? Oh yeah, really,

511
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: that's so legit. That's how it happened, like human made

512
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: that happen again. And that all led to drinking. We

513
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 1: were talking got him in, which is once again that

514
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 1: was Brian kind of leading the charge, like hey man,

515
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: we should do this together. Um, it was very and

516
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 1: that was in twenty twenty, so it's twenty ten. That

517
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: was ten years later. It was like, all right, we're

518
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: done with this. I'm done being part of anything that

519
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: really has anything to do with FTL. They're done with

520
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: each other right now. It seems like no, it seems

521
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: like oh there, yeah, I don't know what coming back. Well,

522
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: they may come back, but it's only gonna be if

523
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: like Rascal Flats come back, and I'm like, we miss

524
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: having crowds that kind of thing. Yeah. I mean, I

525
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: don't know what they're gonna do solo wise, but it

526
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 1: was a cool book in and it was like it

527
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, I think twenty twenty was

528
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: a reset for the whole world. Agree. I was like, dang, okay,

529
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: now you either came out worse or came out better.

530
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: For me as a person, as a as an artist,

531
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 1: came out better. Let's take a quick pause for a

532
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: message from our sponsor. This is the Bobby Cast. I'm

533
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: curious with the new record, did you do anything different

534
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: recording wise? So I know you had a new producer,

535
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: but did you go into one of the big Nashville studios?

536
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: Did you What did you do because even the sound

537
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: of it's a bit grittier, and that's a complaint, by

538
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: the way, Yeah, I love it, So it's even the

539
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,679
Speaker 1: sound of it's a bit grittier. So what did you

540
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: do recording wise different that you hadn't done before? Um?

541
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: Um No. We went into my house literally like fireplay

542
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: like dramas in front of the fireplace. I did some

543
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: vocals in my closet Like that was that purposeful? Like

544
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: we want to make this to get down and dirty,

545
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: so the music sounds like that too. I think it

546
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,719
Speaker 1: was just for fun oscar big intention. It was not

547
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: really Oscar like we'd never worked together. Um. He asked

548
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 1: me where i'd want to record. I was like, man,

549
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: I just don't want to do the studio thing. I've

550
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: done that for years. I just want to get a

551
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: little more creative. Like this is a shot of us

552
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: in my bedroom, and that's us. That's literally sitting on

553
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: the bottom part of your bed. Yeah, around different. I'm

554
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: gonna put this up to the camera read if. Yeah,

555
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 1: it's literally just like that's Barton from one in Banjo

556
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: Jackson freezing there and we're just going over how we're

557
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: gonna record. I think it was walk alone and that's

558
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: how rough and raw it was. And Oscar spun around

559
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: his chair when we were talking about where we're going

560
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: to record it and just kind of looked up in

561
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: my house. What's wrong with this? Damn? Okay. We're on

562
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 1: the same place with the five of the music too.

563
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: He's like, we're trying to we're chasing something, right. I

564
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 1: loved his Circles EP from Boyna. Banjo didn't even know

565
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: he produced it. I loved the EP before so when

566
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: I started talking to him, I immediately I had trust

567
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: in him because I'd heard his work that I loved.

568
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: So when he turned around and looked at my house,

569
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, this. I've always wanted to do

570
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: something crazy like this. I was thinking, like, go out

571
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: to Montana, there'd be a lot of work. Um, we

572
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: have this huge space right here, let's use it. It's

573
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: like Montana though honestly kind I mean, that's what I

574
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: wanted to be. But it was here in Tennessee and

575
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: it worked perfect because the musicians could come in and

576
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: we'd work till sometimes we worked till three to four

577
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: in the morning. U a song called Oklahoma. That was

578
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: the only night session we did with them, and you

579
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: can tell you can tell a difference in it just

580
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: has a vibe or thing to it. But that's probably

581
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: what we did Key West and Colorado with a click.

582
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: It felt good. Then we moved on to All Dogs

583
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: Go to Hell, and Oscar looked at me and said,

584
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: let's let's try it without a click. See how it feels.

585
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: We didn't. It felt awesome, so we went back and

586
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: rerecorded Key West with really click. The whole record has

587
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: no click. That was me and Oscar just kind of

588
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: loving the idea of it. The musicians didn't love it

589
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: at first, especially Fred the drummer. He's like, come on, man,

590
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: like it's easier for him to have a click, But

591
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: it had a whole vibe to it without it, so

592
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: we just kept going with it. For those listening that

593
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: aren't fail with what a click is, so it's just

594
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: so whatever that So that's a constant in the ears

595
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: of the person, so they it helps it stay. They

596
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: are precise, yes, so, but when you remove the click,

597
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: although it could be a little what we use the

598
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: word sloppy, but it could be a little sloppier, it's

599
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: also way more organic and way more viby and a

600
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: little more soul full. Yeah, so it's like take take one,

601
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: give one, depending on what you're pursuing. We were pursuing

602
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: a raw as possible. I think Oscar and he would

603
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: have to speak to this more than me. He knew

604
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: he got to know me pretty quick because I was

605
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: just I don't know, we just he he had something

606
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: about him where I could be myself, and he got

607
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: to know me really quick, and he knew how raw

608
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: and real I wanted this, So he kind of led

609
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: the charge on. All right, let's get the click out

610
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: of there, let's make it. If you really want to

611
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: change what you're doing, let's really change it. Man. It

612
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: was just so much fun. It was we did it

613
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: for fun. We had the most fun I've ever had recording,

614
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: Like we wouldn't even know what songs we were recording.

615
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: The days of we knew Key West and Colorado and

616
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: all doll was good to hell. After that, we didn't

617
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: know what really what we were going to record. Is

618
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: there ever those nights or days where you looking you're like,

619
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: dang it, twenty six o'clock, but like you were into

620
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: it so much. Yeah, like I call it like a

621
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: Vegas day or there's no clocks in there, so unless

622
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: you're like watching your phone, you don't know what time

623
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: it is. We had a lot of Almost every day

624
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 1: was like that because it was such a fun process.

625
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: I can't like it was just like this is I

626
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: don't And that was a moment, like you talked about earlier,

627
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: like you're sitting there like, man, this is really happening.

628
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 1: That was a moment for me like we're never going

629
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: to record like this again, first album together in my house,

630
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: Like it'll never happen again. Let's have the most fun

631
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: I possibly can with it. That was a cool moment.

632
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: I want to know about your dad, Yeah, and I

633
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: just want to like get into this a little bit. Yeah.

634
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen on your Twitter a bunch of

635
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: pictures of him over the years and just you posting,

636
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: and I mean, you guys look alike obviously as your dad.

637
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: He's on the cover of the album. And you told

638
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 1: me on the radio show. Why but let's let's get

639
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: into it. Your dad was what kind of guy as

640
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: a kid? What kind of guy was your dad? Um?

641
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: He was tough, tough as hell. I mean, you didn't

642
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: want to piss him off. You knew that right away.

643
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: But he'd deal with it right away and he'd sit

644
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: you down and talk to you, or he'd spank you

645
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: or whatever way he wanted to go about it. But

646
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: he was also he always encouraged us to We lived

647
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: in a farm, so he'd also encouraged us to just

648
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: go out and have fun, like be kids. He always

649
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: he loved does more than anything in that showed he

650
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: never missed games. He was he was coach of a

651
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: lot of our teams. Um, and he just he was

652
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: always there, which is a crazy thing to say and

653
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: be surprised by because now I'm realizing that's not normal

654
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: for a lot of people. He was always there, never

655
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: missed anything, and he was a kid at heart. I

656
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: don't know, he's just something about us. He just he

657
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: put us first in life. And now I'm realizing, like

658
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: how hard that is do. So I definitely probably never

659
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: gave him the credit he deserved. But he was tough

660
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: as hell, he was honest. He didn't he didn't be

661
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: asked anybody. But that's the number one thing I would

662
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: say is he loved the hell out of us and

663
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: he was always there. What values do you feel as

664
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: you get to be an adult and you know that

665
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: he had stilled in you, Because again, sometimes it takes

666
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: maturation in us to realize why we matured, how he matured,

667
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: and what was passed down to us. What do you

668
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: think he put in what the values he had stilled

669
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: in you? Well, I know, for one thing, like I've

670
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: noticed around me sometimes people are just like kind of

671
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: nervous times, and I learned that from him. I got

672
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: that from him. Whatever it was, like, I'm very direct

673
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: to the point. I hate wasting time on bs. You're

674
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: also a physically imposing guy. Was he He was, Yeah,

675
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: he was even bigger than I am, but like I'm

676
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: six foot six one, depending on what she was I've heard,

677
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: you know, Jay one is right, but you're a big dude,

678
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: And I can understand people be like, oh okay, and

679
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: I just I'm in my head so much thinking and

680
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: that's just how I am A lot of time that

681
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm not. It might seem like I'm just not paying

682
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: attention to you, and I might not be, but I'm

683
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: not at it because I don't like you. I don't

684
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: want to be around you. I'm just like thinking about something.

685
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: He was imposing, but he was very imposing, and he

686
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: walks in a room he know. You know the thing

687
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: about it is the more success I've had, the more

688
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: I walk into a room and I want to disappear.

689
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't, God, I don't. I don't want

690
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: this attention. But then you also walk in a room

691
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: where you were somebody else that's getting more and you're like,

692
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: what the hell? You're like, what I do get stuff too? Yeah? Yeah, right, Meg,

693
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: zero sense. It's the creative psyche where we have to

694
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: be weird. Does even pursue something creative. But that doesn't

695
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: mean we're not weirdos. Once we actually start to have

696
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: success in it, we're the same weirdo makes it even weird.

697
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: It's just absolutely for sure. So what year did he

698
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: pass away? Two thousand and eight and what did he

699
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: die from? He had melanoma. My mom found a spot

700
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: and I guess he found a spot first. They had

701
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: it checked out, um, and they said it was and

702
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: grown hair. You don't need to worry about it. They

703
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: cut it out anyway. Wow. They called him the next Yeah,

704
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: but they called him. They called him the next day

705
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you need to come back in so

706
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: stage four melanoma. So he was fighting that his you know,

707
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: for I don't know when he got that. I was

708
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: in high school. How hard it was that for you?

709
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: And did he let you know how how hard it

710
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: was for him? Like he'd come home with a scar,

711
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: I got another one cut out. I'm good. It's like, dang,

712
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: looking back on him, he it beat the hell out

713
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: of him. It wasn't. I didn't let it affect me

714
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: that much because because he didn't, he was like, yeah,

715
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be dealing. Seven days before he died, he said,

716
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be dealing with this the rest of my life.

717
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: I just got it checked in DC or Baltimore, and

718
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: they said, I'm pretty much good to go, but you know,

719
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: it will come back and I'll deal with it. But

720
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: by the time I'm seventy five eighty years old, I'll

721
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: be ready to go. And then seven days later he

722
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: was dead. Was he protecting you with that? Yeah, he knew.

723
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: I look back now, and I've heard now from my

724
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: mom they said he only had five years left and

725
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: I had no clue. And I'm not mad at him

726
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: for that. I get it. I might do the same thing. Yeah,

727
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's him protecting his kid kids, you know. Yeah.

728
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: And so what happened was I just went and got

729
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: my heart checked and I spent all this money to

730
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: like do it right. And my mom asked me why

731
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: I did that. I'm like, well, mom, dad, I had

732
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: a heart attack. I want to make sure she and

733
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: I just found this out two years I had a

734
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: heart attack. He had a heart attack, so he had cancer.

735
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: So I found and I knew he had a heart

736
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: attack from get go. But I found out two weeks

737
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: ago when I told my mom about getting mine checked.

738
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: She said Chase, she didn't have to do that. He

739
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: didn't have a heart disease. He had melanoma that they

740
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: couldn't cut out by his heart and ended up giving

741
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: him the cardiac arrest. Did you had your heart turn out?

742
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 1: It was perfectly good. Yeah, it was cool to hear that.

743
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: But now looking back, I'm like, damn, Like I didn't

744
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: spend all that money, but it's good to still know. Um,

745
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: how was the relationship at like these awkward to years

746
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: for a kid twelfth, thirteen, fourteen with you and him?

747
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: It was awesome, But I don't know. I feel like

748
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: I missed out on him getting me, us getting into

749
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: each other's men. Um, but he it was. It was good. Um.

750
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: He was always pushing me. He was proud of me.

751
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: That was the biggest thing that I could take from

752
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: from One of the biggest things is that he was

753
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: He was proud of me and always told me that.

754
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: He always told me he loved me. But he he

755
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: saw me go from you know, middle school. I was

756
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: kind of a mess because I learned about a bunch

757
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: of stuff that you shouldn't learn about from a friend,

758
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: like sex stuff or drug sex stuff. Yeah, sex stuff

759
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: and alcohol and there's a right way to go learn

760
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 1: that and there's a wrong way, and it's affects me still. Um,

761
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: so he caught me doing a bunch of that stuff.

762
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: Um thought I was good, but I don't know. We

763
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: just never had a good talk about it like we

764
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: should have, but we were good, Like, I don't know.

765
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: I guess he probably he didn't know how to go

766
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: about that. He didn't know how to go about his

767
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: eighth grade kid like getting into that type of stuff.

768
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: Like that's a problem. And I wish, you know, looking back,

769
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: that he would have taught me more about it, how

770
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: to go about it the right way than the way

771
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: I learned it. And later in life, I've gone through

772
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: a lot of therapy and and I've learned from other

773
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: people like damn, that happens to a lot of people.

774
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: A credit to your dad. And I'm sure you feel

775
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: this way and you love him, but it is You're right.

776
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: It is so rare for someone to be consistent like

777
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: and when you talk about it, mean like he was there. Yeah,

778
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean that alone is pure love. Yeah, oh yeah.

779
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: It just feels like in relationships, no matter what it is,

780
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: His parent, brothers, sister, best friend work Like everybody's gonna

781
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: do things and mess up and do great. It's just

782
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: that the value of two humans working together. And but man, consistency,

783
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: that's as much love as you could possibly get. Like

784
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm that's always that's just sound like the greatest dude. Yeah,

785
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: he was there, that's that's the number one. But it

786
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: wasn't like he was just there and absent. He was

787
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: there and he gave you all the attention and then

788
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: like through high school stuff, didn't miss into the games.

789
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: Do you still miss him? Oh? Yeah all the time

790
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: when Because my mom died ten maybe thirteen or so

791
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: years ago, my grandmother raised me, adopted me for a

792
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: while too. And I have moments in waves where I'll

793
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: like see something it doesn't it just reminds me, and

794
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: it's like it's like I get kicked in the like

795
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: side yeah, and you're like, oh man, I really miss Yeah,

796
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: what is it for you? Sometimes? I was reading a

797
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: book this morning and it was talking about dreams. It's

798
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist book. He was talking about the dreams this

799
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: one one of her patients had. And that's the best

800
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: way I can explain, like when it does kick you

801
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: on the side, you're just like, damn, it comes out

802
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: of nowhere too where all of a sudden you're bat

803
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: You remember the phone call. I remember the phone call

804
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: from my mom, Chase. She said my name, it was

805
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: real shaky and shut the fridge like I remember details,

806
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: shut the freezer, and she said, oh god. My first

807
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: thought when she said my name and it was shaky,

808
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: was oh god, was she found out that I've done?

809
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 1: Like that's a guilty contents right there, U. And then

810
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: she said, Chase, come home. Dad died and I'm just like,

811
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: whoa what? Like the only way I know how to

812
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: explain it is the worst dream you ever had in

813
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: your life where it's it's that nightmare where you wake

814
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: up and you're like, oh, what was that real? Okay, No,

815
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: that wasn't real. Thank god, that wasn't real. Like that

816
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: that would end your life if that was real. Didn't

817
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: life as you know it anyway. But it's that and

818
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: it's real, and then it doesn't stop and for the

819
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: next few hours you're still processing what just happened. And

820
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: I was driving home, like where you're driving from Nashville

821
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: chap I lived in Chapool. I was in college, so

822
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: I was driving from Chapol to Asheville. First phone call

823
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: I made was my ex girlfriend who was like my

824
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: high school girlfriend, so she knew him really well. Called

825
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: her told her I don't remember how that conversation went.

826
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: Um My brother, Casey and I talked three times on

827
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: the drive home, and it was more just like what's

828
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: going on because I didn't ask how he died. He

829
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: had a heart attack, but I didn't know that in

830
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: my mind he fell off the roof or something working

831
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: on the house. So that whole drive was just like

832
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: it takes sometimes like this morning, it didn't happen, But

833
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: sometimes it'll hit you, like you'll be back in that

834
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: place where your mom calls you and it hits you

835
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: like a ton of bricks in your life just stops

836
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: and you're back in that moment. It's even if it's

837
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: first split second, but you're just back there and it's

838
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: a it's a shit feeling. But I have done a

839
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: lot of work talking to people, therapy stuff, Like I

840
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: went to rehab twice and the first time I went,

841
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't talk about anything that I

842
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna you go back into all this stuff,

843
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: which is awesome. You're now looking back, I'm like, Okay,

844
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: that's so necessary, but I dealt with the loss of

845
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: him a lot, but it's still never it's never gonna

846
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: go away. And you're right first, You're right, it's not

847
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: gone away at all for me, especially the waves, Like

848
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: it's not as constant, but the waves are equally as

849
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: powerful right when they do come in. Yeah. But also

850
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: I look at it as a blessing too that I

851
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: get to be sad, which is a twisted issue way,

852
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: but my grandmother was so valuable. Yeah, I had no

853
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: consistency at all, you know. My dad left when I

854
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: was five or sick. My mom was an addict her

855
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: whole life, died into forties. My grandma adopted me and

856
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: was there. And the fact that I'm so sad and

857
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: missed her so much, Like I feel very lucky that

858
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: I get to be sad, Yeah, because she was that awesome.

859
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: Yeah that I'm lucky that I'm sad because I could

860
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: not be sad and I would have had no consistency

861
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: and no love. Crazy awesome way to look at it.

862
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: It's I think it's survival for me. Honestly, I do

863
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: believe it. But it's weird even to say out loud

864
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: where it's like I feel blessed to be sad because

865
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: that was the one person for me that was she

866
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: was seventy, but she was right there. So you know,

867
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: when I hear the stories about your dad, I'm jealousy,

868
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: but I'm also super grateful that you had that. This

869
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: crossed my mind for sure, like would you rather have?

870
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: And I told people all the time back then. I'll

871
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: still say it like I got more out of twenty

872
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: two years than most people get from the dad in

873
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: a lifetime. And I've wondered, like what's harder what happened

874
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: with me or never knowing him at all? And I'll

875
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: take what happened with me all day ten times that absolutely. Yeah,

876
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: hang tight, The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome

877
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: back to the Bobby Cast. The back of your record

878
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: is your dog? Yeah, also very meaningful to you. Yeah,

879
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: he's awesome. So I haven't seen him like a week

880
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: of this morning a morning. Yeah, so tell me about him.

881
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: So he's um. He's a black lab named jack Um.

882
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: I I wanted, always wanted a dog, but I wanted

883
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: him for uh, for like I always wanted to go

884
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: bird hunting with a dog with my own dog. Um,

885
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: So that's what I've got him for. And he goes

886
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: to training back and forth. He's not a pointer, he's

887
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: a retriever. Thought him like, like you take him duck hunting. Yeah,

888
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: and he goes he gets to break the back. Morning

889
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: we were on a walk and I was throwing the thing.

890
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: He was held to go till he drops. But I

891
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: got him because of the song bench Seat Um, which

892
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: is on my record, which is a song about my

893
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: buddy almost shoot himself. You're by yourself from my Mind's

894
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: that right? Yeah? I got it and I wrote it

895
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: in my breakfast room and it was a third song

896
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: that I wrote by myself on the record. But I'm

897
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: writing this song and I'm in my mind. I've got

898
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: a video going through like I don't know why the

899
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: whole videos in my head while I'm right. It actually

900
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: helped me write the song. And it's about my buddy

901
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: who put a gun to his head and didn't pull

902
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: the trigger. Twice. I thought he was a coward for

903
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: not being able to do it. It's like, damn, that's

904
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: when you're in a bad place, when you can't even

905
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: see that like you did the right thing, Manum, And

906
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: he didn't because his dog came up put his head

907
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: on his lap. He felt love. Yeah, it was well,

908
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: he knew he'd have to leave the dog, like who's

909
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: gonna take care of He might even put blood on

910
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: the dog, like he would have made a mess. And

911
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: that's love from him to the dog. Worrying about the dog. Yeah,

912
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: and he knew this dog is pretty awesome telling about

913
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: my buddy's dog. But he knew what the dog was thinking, like,

914
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: don't do this. And I think the dog knew there

915
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: was a problem. Obviously, maybe not cognitive thought like we have.

916
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,719
Speaker 1: He knew there was something wrong, and so he came

917
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: into my house and got help, you know, just third

918
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: second or third night, I go up and flipped the

919
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: light on him, like which is funny because going back

920
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 1: to my dad, my dad caught me on the phone

921
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: talking to a girl saying a bunch of shit you

922
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: just don't say to girls. And at the end of

923
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: the conversation, I said, I love you like I didn't.

924
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: I was clueless, you're middle school. You don't know middle school.

925
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: And he came up. This is crazy. I don't know

926
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: if ever pieces together, but he came up, flipped the

927
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: light on and sat down. I knew I was busted.

928
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: It's like, oh no, he was on the phone the

929
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: whole time. Fast forward to my buddy. It was like

930
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: I had this thing where like I knew he was

931
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: in trouble. Different situation. I'm not his dad, you know,

932
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: I don't. It's a different situation. But I went up

933
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: and it's flipped the light on and leaning against the wall,

934
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: and just said, what's up, dude? And he h he said, oh,

935
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. I'm just he's like sitting up

936
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: out of bed. He's trying to go to sleep. Dog

937
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: was on the floor And I said, no, what's up?

938
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: Why are you here? So you never come? You never

939
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 1: come to visit me like this. You don't even like

940
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: I had a showed in Atlanta, you'd even come to

941
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: the show. What are you doing here? And what's because

942
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: he was a dark he was dark? And uh, he

943
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: just loses it, face gets red, starts pawling his eyes out,

944
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: puts his hand like this, and explains how he almost

945
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: shot himself. I guess two or three nights before and

946
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: that point. I'm just I'm just listening. And he got

947
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: the work from a lady here that I was seeing

948
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: who was awesome. She like made it a point, Okay,

949
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: I need to see him every day. He started to work. Then, um,

950
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: that's been years ago. That was probably twenty eighteen nineteen.

951
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: And then fast forward to twenty twenty sometime and he's

952
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: at my house. He's doing much better. I'm like, okay,

953
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: I got my friend back. He's back, and now he's

954
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: doing even better. I saw him over Christmas. He's awesome. Man,

955
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: he just got gazed. So um he's joking around the

956
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: fire and he's like, man, bro, you should write a

957
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: song about a god driving around struggles dog and I

958
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: just laugh. I'm like, that's cliche, Like the most cliche

959
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: song you can almost write. Three days later, um, I

960
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: texted recall him and I was like, dude, I wrote it.

961
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be what you're gonna expect. Fast forward

962
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: to the me writing ben C having the the video

963
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: movie idea in my head. That was the moment I

964
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, if I'm gonna have a dog in

965
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: this video, it's gonna be my dog. Originally he was

966
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: gonna be the puppy. Took us two years a piece

967
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: together the video and make it right. So Jack's the

968
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: middle dog in the video. But that's that's what sent

969
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: me over the edge of like, all right, I'm getting

970
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: a dog finally, and you put him on the back

971
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: of the record to show what um well, dog cowboys

972
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: and dogs for whatever reason with the theme of this record,

973
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: probably because I was addressing you know, my dad, who's

974
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: on the cover, and then Jack was on the back. Jack.

975
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned dog like four or five times

976
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: in this record. I'll get off it on the next one.

977
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: But that's why I'm at in life. This dog, he

978
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: came into my life. I don't I wouldn't say saved

979
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: my life or anything, but he's made my life a

980
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: lot better and he's made me more capable of loving

981
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: and being loved. Absolutely did it for me. My dog

982
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: did the same thing. Yeah, people think I'm crazy when

983
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: I say that. Yeah, I think when I said amen,

984
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: I would just I was just a vessel reaction to

985
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: be going eight. I felt that, Yeah, why do you

986
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: think that about you? I don't. I don't like the

987
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of someone loving me, and

988
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why I think. I think it spends

989
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: for my dad passing away, um to where I haven't

990
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: had that in fifteen years now. So I'm like, ah,

991
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm good. Plus you put on this front like you're

992
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: all tough. Plus you have fame start coming into the picture,

993
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: so you don't really know who to trust. And I

994
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: just don't like the idea. It makes me uncomfortable. So

995
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: it's funny when I'm that tough guy or I'm putting

996
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: on the act and then all of a sudden rolling

997
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: around on the floor with Jack and he has a

998
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: thing about it. There's no judgment, there's no there's no

999
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: falseness to it. It's just you and your dog were

1000
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: rolling around on the floor and me like talking in

1001
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: a higher pitched voice that I'm used that I'll ever

1002
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: talk to anybody. So I think, first it's allowed me

1003
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: to let myself be loved by something or someone, and

1004
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: then that can flip hopefully that you know, allows me

1005
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: to flip it into loving somebody at some point. And

1006
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'll love it like I love my mom,

1007
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: I love my brother. Yeah right, but like a romantic trust,

1008
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: non blood love that you don't right that you have

1009
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,479
Speaker 1: to work at. You have to work. It's your brother's

1010
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: gonna be your brother, regardless you may get five, but

1011
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: he's always gonna be your brother. Yeah you hold are

1012
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: you thirty seven? Okay? So I didn't. I didn't get

1013
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: married to just thirty nine and never been engaged, was

1014
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: never in a serious relationship. And in my vow is

1015
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: what I said. I said, the hardest thing I have

1016
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: to do is learned to be loved. Be loved. Yeah. Wow,

1017
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: And my dog Dusty you had for thirteen years, like

1018
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: I would practice because I did. I love that dog.

1019
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: I never told anybody I loved him my whole life.

1020
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: I didn't say. I just didn't. I didn't know. I didn't.

1021
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to, but that dog. I would

1022
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: tell him all the time, like I mean, it makes

1023
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: me emotional think about it. I was just like I

1024
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, I love you. I love it. And

1025
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: it's the only thing that I wouldn't even I couldn't

1026
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: even say love. In recreating a situation that I didn't

1027
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: say it. We were talking about and they'd be on

1028
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: the show, be like, what if you met, how would

1029
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: you say it? I'd be like, oh, I can't I

1030
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: live with that dog like almost like trained me to.

1031
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: When it finally happened, Yeah, and it wasn't easy. Wow.

1032
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: But when it finally happened with my wife now, it

1033
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: was like, this feels different. I can't piss this away.

1034
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: I know I'm capable because I love that animal before

1035
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: he died. So when you said that, I was like, damn,

1036
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: Like I felt that more than anything. Yeah, because that

1037
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: was a big part of my life. Yeah, it's a

1038
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: thirteen year old dog who adopted from a puppy meal

1039
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: and that changed, and that that that changed at all?

1040
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: Are you like, I mean, I'm assuming you want a family. Yeah,

1041
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: I do for sure. I'm in a place right now

1042
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: where I'm extremely lonely a lot, but I'm okay with it.

1043
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm in this depressed state. I just

1044
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm living in it, man. And I also understand that

1045
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: a dog isn't enough, Like I don't want to be

1046
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: the guy that's fifty years old just with him and

1047
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: his dog. But I've earned it, like I've earned the lonely.

1048
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: But I'm doing it on purpose for now because I

1049
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: just feel like that's what I need to do for myself.

1050
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: And also I think it's going to take something that

1051
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: extreme to get me out of this place of or

1052
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: get me into the place of wanting to really be

1053
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: with somebody, one person, because I'll tell you one thing

1054
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: I was thinking about. I think about this all the time.

1055
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: But like going down the road of a lot of women,

1056
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: no matter how tough you can sound in front of

1057
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: your buddies and the ones that say don't ever get

1058
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: married and all this, it leads you to extreme depression.

1059
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't know all the details of why,

1060
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: but it leads you to a very very dark place,

1061
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: and and it leads you to a lot of sex

1062
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: with a zero intimacy. And then the more you do it,

1063
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: the more it leads you to just wanting to be alone.

1064
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: And it's a dark place to be whenever you're talking

1065
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: about being lonely. But what's great about what you're saying

1066
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: is because I went to a lot of therapy. I

1067
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: went to a couple's counselor by myself, and she had

1068
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: never had anybody do that, but I found one, and

1069
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: I was like, I need I need help because I

1070
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: need to understand what I love and when it hits me,

1071
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: I need to know how to not run from it. Yeah,

1072
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: and because my wife, unlike anybody else, strong, smart, bullheaded,

1073
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: she's the only person that I don't like to argue

1074
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: with because I can outslo I feel like I can

1075
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: outsmart anybody. I don't like it because I don't. I

1076
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: can't like she's and it really pisses me off. You

1077
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: can't manipulate. I can't. I can't, right, And so I

1078
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: think I would have run because it was so strong.

1079
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: I feelings were so strong so quickly. But I went

1080
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: to a couple's counselor and I was like, I'm very lonely,

1081
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to settle and I'll be lonely

1082
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: forever instead of settling. And she was like, that's the

1083
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: freaking healthiest place you can be. Yeah, So that's exactly

1084
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 1: where I am. Man, that's that's because you're not trying

1085
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 1: to fill a void with something quick and easy. You're going,

1086
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: it's a void, but it's going to be avoid until

1087
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: we figured out like long term and then and then

1088
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: I'll do it. I will go I will try to

1089
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: fill that void knowing it's not gonna work, and then

1090
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, and then you just end up using

1091
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: somebody else, and that's a shitty way to live. You're

1092
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: also very self aware though now too, which I think

1093
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: is massive growth. So this is interesting. I sent this

1094
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: to his name's Jim. He wrote a thing called The

1095
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: Blue Book, which I read every morning. I sent this

1096
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: to him a couple of days ago, and it was

1097
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: just a quote that I that I was reading in

1098
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: the book and let me just pull it up where

1099
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: it whatever I sent to Jim, because it's between it's

1100
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: there's a difference between self aware and Yeah, insight is easy,

1101
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: change is hard. And that's that's what that was the

1102
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: one small quote I sent him, And I said, I'm

1103
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: in the insight phase, which is so with so much

1104
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: unwillingness to act on it. But I want to change

1105
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: that because and I'm not unwilling to act on it.

1106
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: I know I have the insight. Now, now I've got

1107
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: to take the action. And you can't take the action

1108
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: without the insight. Right, And if you don't walk the

1109
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: ladder in the rungs in order, you'll fall off the ladder.

1110
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: You can't jump five wrongs up because you'll eventually you'll

1111
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: miss and you'll fall back to the bottom. Yeah, but

1112
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: now I at least have the foundation foundations there. Um,

1113
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: I've still gotta I've been thinking about going back and

1114
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: seeing the lady I was seeing just because why not

1115
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 1: what There's no bad that's going to come from that. Um,

1116
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: It's like and then when I start going down there's

1117
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: lonely dark hole, it's like, Okay, you've been here before.

1118
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: Calm down, Like, don't start sliding back into the mindset

1119
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: of like you have to be alone, like you've been

1120
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 1: here before. Slow down, chill for a minute, and then

1121
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: you can start pulling yourself back out of it. The

1122
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: Bobby Cast. We'll be right back, and we're back on

1123
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: the Bobby Cast. We think about kids. I love kids.

1124
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: I want I want kids. Um. That's that's uh, something

1125
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: I get to see with my brothers. They have my

1126
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: oldest brother as a niece and daughter and a son,

1127
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: and my niece and nephew. My middle brother has a

1128
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: son who's almost two or three, I think three, and

1129
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: he's about to have a second one. So it's cool

1130
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: to get to see it um as an uncle. Um.

1131
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: But it also makes me want it even more. UM.

1132
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 1: I just don't want to wake up and be fifty

1133
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: five and have all this stuff to myself. I want

1134
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: to be able to start something that's bigger than me,

1135
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: which would be you know, obviously I would like to

1136
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: meet a woman first and marry her and have kids. Um,

1137
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: for sure, that'd be that That would be the ultimate

1138
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: dream for me that I haven't done yet in life.

1139
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: Way Down Yonder is the tour and it's also the

1140
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: next single, Mike, can you play just a bit of

1141
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: that swampy Yeah? I mean the reason we chose that

1142
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: as a first single, I think there's better songs on

1143
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: the record, Um, but I don't know. We've chose all

1144
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: these love songs and stuff for singles, and it's like,

1145
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: that's not even me. Let's show something that's actually me

1146
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: and very different, very very different than anything I've ever done.

1147
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: And that's why we started it with that. But then

1148
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: if you dive into the record and it's actually working now,

1149
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: it's like, God, finally we got a song that's streaming,

1150
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: and that's streaming is kind of a good way to

1151
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: gauge because it's not even at radio yet. But yeah,

1152
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: we wanted to like, if we're going to show that

1153
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: we're doing something different, let's really show it, and that's

1154
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: why we chose that one first. But then it's it's

1155
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: a unique record where I don't know if there's anything

1156
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: that just raises its hand or does everything right? Or

1157
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: does everything right? Because could bench Seat be a single

1158
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: at radio? I have no idea. It's very different, and

1159
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: it's like it's you're talking about songs like I played

1160
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: guitar on that and I set them the tempo as

1161
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: opposed to Fred who's one of the best drummers in town.

1162
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: So there's parts that are clearly not in time as

1163
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: well as other songs. But who cares. I don't know.

1164
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: I just something's gonna raise his hand. I think, um,

1165
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: this is a weird record for me because I think

1166
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: it's setting a whole new tone for my career. And

1167
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: it didn't have a It had a really good first week,

1168
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: but it didn't have like a like I'm sitting here

1169
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: like why is it not as big as Morgan Wallen? Well,

1170
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: because Morgan Wallain' is the biggestars on the planet, like

1171
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: I've learned, don't compare yourself to that. Also, this is

1172
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: a whole new thing. It's gonna take people time to

1173
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: even trust it. And it's a whole new you from

1174
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: something else that isn't a new thing that they have

1175
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: to learn this new version of you as well and

1176
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: learn if it's today, like is this guy even realm.

1177
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: But this is the most me like that. That's I'm

1178
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: not worried about that, because there's gonna be a deluxe

1179
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: that comes out. It's gonna be like yes, and there's

1180
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: gonna be another record that comes out and says yes,

1181
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: like guys, it's not going backwards to Eyes on You.

1182
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. So I actually like Guys on You

1183
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: as a song. I've always had this battle with producers

1184
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: of hey, why don't you do what J Joyce would do.

1185
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: It's like, because you're not J Joyce. Now I get it, right.

1186
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: I pushed producers too hard sometimes to try to do

1187
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: something that's not them, and now I don't do that,

1188
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: And I was just like, don't do that. I actually

1189
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: worked with Jay on a song going into this album,

1190
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: and he helped shape this whole record in a way,

1191
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: and and uh, because it was cool to get to

1192
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: work with him, but it was also cool to see

1193
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: how it worked, get behind the scenes and then also

1194
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: see how Oscar works and no, like, yeah, he's just

1195
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: as good. He's done out of the accolades. Yeah, but

1196
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: he's just as good up a producer, and he's hungrier

1197
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 1: urban legend. I don't know how urban it is. Let's

1198
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: your football career. I hear everything from your I start

1199
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: running back to no, I'm not talking about it here.

1200
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: People's urban legend at this point, like it's all You've

1201
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: played every position, sometimes multiple at once, You've been kicker.

1202
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what's the real story. Yeah, that's I

1203
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: didn't know that was I didn't know that was a thing. Um.

1204
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: I was a linebacker at at Carolina North Carolina. I

1205
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: got to the point back half of sophomore year. I

1206
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: was a really good player. Going into my junior year.

1207
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, this kid can play in the NFL.

1208
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: Got hurt first game, snapped my ankles the first game

1209
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: game of like the second quarter. Do you remember the place? Yeah,

1210
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: it was a quarterbacks running. I look at the film

1211
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: and it looked it's different than I remember in my head.

1212
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: But obviously the film's the truth. But um, yeah, I

1213
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: hit the quarterback and like it was just my ankles.

1214
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: You hit the quarterback whenever you're yeah, we were kind

1215
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: of we kind of just hit it a weird angle.

1216
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: He was running. We hit face, you know, hel No.

1217
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: Or seven for James Madison. We're beating the hell out

1218
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: of him. Did you know, it was like your leg

1219
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: was over there. Yeah, I knew my season was over.

1220
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: I thought I broke my ankle. One up at halftime.

1221
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: The ladies like, give me a thumbs up around the corner,

1222
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, no way, there's no way. It's

1223
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: not there's not a sprain. So in the shower of

1224
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: all places after the game, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna

1225
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: put some weight on it. If it's just a sprain,

1226
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: who cares. As soon as I did it, the tendon

1227
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: on the back snapped all the way to the front

1228
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: of my foot and then the doctor doctors come in

1229
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: and snap it back in place, and so I got

1230
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: surgery on that. I'm trying to come back my senior

1231
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: year immediately, like I'm just not the same guy, just physically,

1232
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't run the same. And then that going into

1233
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: that senior year was when my dad passed away. So

1234
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: in May with the injury, do you think that a

1235
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: lot of my friends of athletes, they like that they

1236
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: tear a hamstring or they have an ACL injury, it's

1237
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 1: not the same, But they also aren't the same mentally,

1238
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: where they're like every time they put it on for

1239
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: a long time, They like, I don't want to put

1240
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: too much on it because it don't happen again. They've

1241
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: already been through it once. Was that happening with you

1242
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: at all? Yeah, especially knowing like that my whatever the

1243
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: groove is in your ankle, it was just more shallow

1244
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: than any other ankle. So in my mind, I'm like, okay,

1245
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: if this one's holding up, because it still was like clicking.

1246
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: It was weird, still does today. I'm sitting there like, Okay, well,

1247
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: am I gonna do it to my right one now?

1248
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: So mentally, you're not the same. Physically, I couldn't run

1249
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: the same. And then on top of that, the kid

1250
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: that backed me up, I was a senior at that point,

1251
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: he was a sophomore. He had a average year. You know,

1252
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: he's a freshman. He didn't just figuring it out, but

1253
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: he was becoming a really good player too. So I

1254
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: was just all jacked up. And my dad had just died,

1255
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: so I'm just like I was not there. It sucks

1256
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: because I know what could have been, because I know

1257
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: how I was playing football and I was good. And

1258
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: then like four or five of my backups on the team,

1259
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: I ended up going to the NFL this kid was

1260
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: a second round of first round draft pick, but it

1261
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: did teach me a lot. Like I look back on

1262
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: that same thing with right right now, same thing with

1263
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: like my whole career fgl Sam Hunt. I was like, damn,

1264
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm jealous. I want to do that. So I joined

1265
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: it and I stopped making stuff that's true to me,

1266
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: and I learned, now, Okay, do what you wish you'd

1267
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 1: have done in college, which was that whole year. I

1268
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: wish I would have taken a lot more time to

1269
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: sit down with the kid his name as Bruce Carter

1270
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: and help him become a better player that year, because

1271
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 1: that would have made me better and it would also

1272
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: made our team better. But I was selfish, like, Nope,

1273
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to make him better because I want

1274
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: to get back my senior year and I want to

1275
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: get back my starting role. The starting role was never

1276
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: gonna happen for me. Again, I wasn't the same player,

1277
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 1: but I was bad. I was being selfish. Were you depressed,

1278
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: because yeah, but your dad died, so that I mean,

1279
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: that's a whole different traumatic about football. Was there a

1280
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: specific depression where it's like I put all this time

1281
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: into it, and now it's over or was it just

1282
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: over written by your dad's death? Before my dad died,

1283
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: I was I think I was just sad. Yeah, I

1284
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: was pissed off. I don't even know if I was depressed.

1285
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: I was just mad that my season got taken as

1286
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: soon as my dad died. Yeah. That started a depression

1287
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: that lasted all the way to two thousan fourteen or

1288
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen seventeen before I really got out of it fully,

1289
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: and I say fully, like I'm always going to deal

1290
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: with it. There's definitely days, but I said, I know

1291
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: I've been in that hole. I know how to get

1292
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: out of it. But I sat down to two that

1293
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: in thirteen after my mom wrote been this long letter

1294
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: over Christmas, realizing that I was just out. I was

1295
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: not there. I was there, but I wasn't. And that

1296
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: was when I was having success with Crews and Race

1297
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: It role, and I was miserable. I remember writing in

1298
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,959
Speaker 1: my journal before she wrote me this letter, I wrote,

1299
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: I no longer want to be alive. That's a awful

1300
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: place to be. And she wrote me this letter. I

1301
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: read it like, oh, called her immediately, like Mommy, right,

1302
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 1: I'll get help. And I sat down with this guy,

1303
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: his name's al He's the best. I still talked to

1304
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: him today and he sits there and listening to talk

1305
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: for five six minutes and then he just looks at

1306
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: me and laughs and she's like, yeah, you're depressed. And

1307
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: I was pissed, Like no, not it took me that

1308
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: long to even realize I was depressed. But yeah, it

1309
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: was my first time dealing with depression, So why would

1310
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: I know what it looks like. I didn't know. I'm

1311
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: not depressed, That's what because I was functioning like I

1312
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: was still getting up. I was having success even I

1313
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: was touring. I was actually functioning. In my mind. Depressed

1314
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: people stay in bed all day. That's not the truth. Um,

1315
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: Kyle Jacobs, we just lost him. I had no idea,

1316
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: and that's uh. I haven't talked to Lee yet, but

1317
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: uh uh yeah, I mean you just don't know, right.

1318
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: NASCAR a lot of urban legends there. What'd you do?

1319
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: I was a jackman for like what we were was

1320
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: the team that they brought in. They brought him one

1321
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: team in two thousand and ten or nine. Jackman is,

1322
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 1: by the way, you got it, the guy when the

1323
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: car comes in, he puts the jack in Jack's the

1324
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: car up and then you I was a jackman first,

1325
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: and I went to a rear tire carre which got imprints,

1326
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: the inserts the the rear tire and wheel. That's it's

1327
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: just a pit in the pit thirteen seconds. Yeah. So

1328
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: they brought in like nine or ten of us to

1329
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: see if the ex athletes could do the stops faster

1330
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: than they, you know, the old timers in the shop.

1331
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: And it worked immediately, like, yeah, once we learned what

1332
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: we were doing, we were doing stops faster. Now you

1333
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: look down Pitt Road, it's all X football players, X

1334
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: baseball whatever. Strength and hand eye coordination, which is imperative

1335
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: to that job young athletes. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and it

1336
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: made perfect sense and it worked. But two thousand and

1337
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: nine we were the young guns. We were staying in hotels.

1338
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 1: We were just a trial period. That year we won

1339
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: a championship with Jimmy, but we were the guys like

1340
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: Blue and Tires. We were nobody's. A couple of the

1341
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: guys got moved up. I started pitting for a guy

1342
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: named Ryan Newman, doing some stuff for Jimmy Johnson on

1343
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: race day, which was he won another championship in twenty ten.

1344
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: I was never the guy that went over the wall

1345
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: for Jimmy on race day. We were getting there like

1346
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: I was about to be and then I was over

1347
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: the wall, like starting just started, got started. Yeah, and

1348
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,959
Speaker 1: so but we were the best race team in the world.

1349
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: We won two championships, and we were the guys the

1350
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: next guys in line, and some of the guys had

1351
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: already gone up. I was half ass and everything because

1352
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: I was I was kind of misery. I was miserable.

1353
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: I just lost football, just lost my dad, got this

1354
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: new job. I'm living in a hotel. I'm lost in life,

1355
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: and I just started writing songs when my dad passed away.

1356
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: So I'm like, man, I really want to go to

1357
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: and I just visited Brian Uh. I actually got a fight.

1358
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 1: I got. I hit it one of our crew guys

1359
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: in the face. I was just like a physical physically

1360
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: smoked him. Wish I smoked somebody one time. Just I

1361
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: had a story. I actually didn't even hit him that hard,

1362
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 1: like I just wished I smoked somebody. Point to half

1363
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, I'm just trying not to get smoked

1364
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: my whole life. But I got suspended for that, and

1365
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: I came a visit to Brian. That was my first

1366
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: visit to Nashville ever, and that was when they were like, hey,

1367
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: we'll meet Tyler later. We're gonna go play some songs

1368
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 1: at the Hotel Innigo here and uh I. Tyler was

1369
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: to my right, Brian was to my left, And that

1370
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: was my first time really singing into a microphone. So

1371
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: that was when I fell in love with Nashville, which

1372
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: made me hate Charlotte and the NASCAR job even more.

1373
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: I finally was starting to get really good at the

1374
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: NASCAR job, like, Okay, you're about to be up. And

1375
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: that was when Survivor happened randomly, so in my mind

1376
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: the TV show, in my mind, I was like, Okay,

1377
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: that's a way for me to go maybe make some money,

1378
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: and then I can come and move to Nashville. Oh.

1379
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: So it was like your pivot out, your natural pivot out,

1380
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: instead of quitting the job because it was too good

1381
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: of a job to quit. Like that's the type of

1382
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: stuff I'm thinking, I can't quit this job. My dad raced, um,

1383
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: he would love that I'm in racing right now. I

1384
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: can't quit this job to go do music. When did

1385
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:35,959
Speaker 1: you start playing guitar. Could you say you're writing songs?

1386
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: But were you a musical kid at all? I started

1387
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: in twenty one, twenty one years old, was twenty one,

1388
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 1: and I learned to play guitar. But I was like,

1389
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't that's late, that's late. Yeah, I never thought,

1390
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: why did you buy a guitar? Like? What led you

1391
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: at twenty one to buy a guitar? Ben Lemming offensive

1392
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: linement at Carolina. He had a Martin eight fourteen CE

1393
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: because he was a huge Dave Matthews fan. He'd played Dave,

1394
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: he'd sing, he'd play while I would sing in the

1395
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: dorm room. I wasn't great, and I'm still like, I'm not.

1396
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: I'm no Stapleton, but I gotta eat. But he was

1397
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: the one. He was like, dude, you should go to

1398
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: or you should uh be a country music singer? Pretty good?

1399
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: And I don't know how he worded it, but in

1400
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: my mind it was the equivalent of you should go

1401
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: being an astronaut. And and then I kept learning songs.

1402
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: Or did you buy the guitars you got the music store.

1403
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: I went to a random store in Asheville about a

1404
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: seagull guitar, which my brother has now. Um, and then

1405
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: I wanted I'd be in class like Google and Martin guitars.

1406
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why I wanted to Martin. I think

1407
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: because Dave Matthews may have played one. UM. So I

1408
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: showed it to my dad. My dad made me sit

1409
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: and play the only time he's ever seen me play,

1410
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: which was cool that he got to. UM. He made

1411
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: me sit in front of him and my mom in

1412
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: the living room in their house in North Carolina and

1413
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: play like four or five songs. He said, I'm not

1414
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 1: going to buy you the nice Martin that you want

1415
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: unless you do this, and I did it. So he

1416
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: bought me this, the Martin that I still play today. Yeah,

1417
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 1: it's like and that was another thing looking back, I

1418
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: was so out of who I am and what got

1419
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 1: me into music in the first place. From two thousand

1420
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: when I started to two thousand and twenty when I

1421
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: made this record, Like, I wasn't even using that guitar

1422
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: on the road. Now that's the only guitar I use,

1423
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: or not the only one, but the main guitar I use.

1424
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: I was just showing that locked in that tracks pop

1425
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: style of music, that I wasn't even playing that guitar

1426
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: that my dad got me. I just lost so much

1427
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: touch of who I was. But it's okay. It all

1428
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: led to now that's like the main guitar I use,

1429
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 1: and all did it. Forever It'll always be how did

1430
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: you learn to play? Ben taught me a G chord

1431
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: in the dorm, then a D and then a like

1432
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: E minor and C, which is interesting because that's the

1433
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: chord progression or cruise. And it's also the chords that

1434
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: I probably learned too, because they were the easiest. Yeah,

1435
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's just, um, when did okay?

1436
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: When you start to do bar chords, because that's when

1437
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: it's like, that's when you're really that's when you play guitar.

1438
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: That first year and I was terrible at him, but

1439
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: I remember looking at F like I'm never gonna learn

1440
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: they never get my finger over the whole thing. Yeah, yeah,

1441
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: I say, no chance. I'm learning the F chord and

1442
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm still not a big bar chord guy, but I'm

1443
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: more of like a movie case everything. Yeah, it's just

1444
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: you gotta i don't know, you gotta be ed cheering

1445
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: or something to do all that stuff. Um, but that

1446
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: year I learned, I got better when my dad died.

1447
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: I wrote my first song about him. It's called larger

1448
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: than Life, um, which is actually his headstone, his tombstone. Um.

1449
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: What what is larger than life? Daniel L. Rice got it.

1450
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: Then it's the dates in John sixteen twenty two, which

1451
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: is now as your time of grief, but I'll see

1452
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: you again, um, and you were joyce and no man

1453
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: will take away joy But um. I wrote the first

1454
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: song about him. Second song was which makes perfect sense.

1455
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 1: I was in this party mode of wrote a song

1456
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: about my dad. Then I went to Georgia with my

1457
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 1: buddy that about the Bensie's about. We went to Georgia,

1458
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: hung out with a girl there, a group of girls there,

1459
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: and wrote a song called Georgia Girl. And I was

1460
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: in the back half of my senior year. Football was

1461
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: done and I was partying for the first time in college,

1462
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: for the first time ever in college because I was

1463
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: playing football. You know, I lost that identity of the

1464
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: football player. Now it's like I'm going nuts. So I

1465
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 1: started writing those songs. And then Charlotte same thing. I'm

1466
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: partying moved to Nashville. Your partying because it's a party town,

1467
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: and which makes perfect sense when you look at from

1468
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten to two thousand nineteen, or really

1469
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: seventeen seventeen, I started cooling off a little bit on it.

1470
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: But why all those songs were that brood country party thing.

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01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: That's where I was in life, and that's what I

1472
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 1: was doing. Why would I not sing about it? So

1473
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: it's kind of and I'd never thought about that until

1474
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: literally right now right Chase Rice on Instagram Chase Rice

1475
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: music on TikTok, which about the way you kind of

1476
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: killed it over there. Wasn't really expecting to be killing

1477
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: it over there. I'll be honest with you. I don't

1478
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: even do kind of killing it over there. I mean

1479
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: I'll do something like if it's music. I was like,

1480
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: I just wanted to be about the music. It's interesting

1481
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't do that. I don't. I've

1482
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: never been on TikTok, but I will promote the music

1483
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: on there. Man, No, you do, like again, you kill

1484
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: it on tick. I just didn't expect to go over

1485
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: there and be and you have a ton of followers

1486
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: because even like Jake Oh and like over the Jake

1487
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: and I've been friends. He's the first person I knew

1488
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: here because Andy Roddick and Jake who was Josh back

1489
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: in the day. Here's my friend, Josh is in Nashville.

1490
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: When you go, I'll set you out. You guys would

1491
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: be friends or at least till kind of points in

1492
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: directions so I could get here. And Josh's not Jake

1493
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: and Jake and I always knew each other. But you know,

1494
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: when he was drinking is tough because it was he

1495
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: was inconsistent, and that was tough for me. We didn't

1496
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: teach other off. I never knew I was gonna get

1497
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:55,960
Speaker 1: But over the last couple of a few years we've

1498
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: become really close again. Yeah, our wives are close. Jake

1499
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: and I are super tight. Like I love him. Yeah,

1500
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't say that about many folks. But and so

1501
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 1: Jake hates TikTok won't. He wouldn't get on it. He's

1502
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: like I hate And I was like, yo, Chase's a

1503
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: guy like four hundred thousand followers and he's not doing

1504
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: any corny over there. Yeah, it's just a it's just

1505
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: a place to put more stuff that you can find

1506
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: more people that can help songstream. I think Zach Bryan,

1507
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: he's well, he's a YouTube guy that moved over to

1508
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: TikTok and then blew up on TikTok. But yes, it's

1509
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 1: all the same. Though. My point is it's all the same.

1510
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: If there's a stage, you can be on it and

1511
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: always be there, and there's a way. Like I told

1512
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: him from the beginning, I'm not doing the dances. I'm

1513
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: not doing any of that. It has to be about

1514
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: the music. And and Zach's like, you'd think the opposite

1515
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: of that. But it's huge for him, huge so but

1516
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: it's also the main thing is that he makes good music.

1517
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's your team does a good job. Then, yeah,

1518
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: because you're kind of killing it over there. I just

1519
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: I didn't want another app to get on. I yeah,

1520
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,759
Speaker 1: I'm on my phone enough staring at useless stuff. I'm like, nope,

1521
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. But yeah not hell yeah, use

1522
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: use the stage another stage, promote the music. And I mean,

1523
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: that's the game right now, it's the game part of it.

1524
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: You can use that to get streaming. Yeah, I mean,

1525
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: then it's huge. Like I had Ride blow up randomly

1526
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: couple a couple of years ago, when all I did

1527
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: was hold the phone and reacted to a girl that

1528
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: was talking about Ride. It exploded and Ride went to

1529
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 1: like number one on iTunes. What just happened? And I

1530
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: hope that happens with something other than Ride, because I'm

1531
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: sick of that. That wasn't even supposed to be my

1532
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: song in the first place. But this record, I don't

1533
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 1: know how it's gonna explode. I don't know if it

1534
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: ever will. I think it will, but I don't. I

1535
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: don't know how it's gonna happen, but I think it

1536
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 1: will because at the end, I think good quality of

1537
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: music does puns through. New album came out in February.

1538
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: I guess we're wrapping up February, which is next week.

1539
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: There a couple of weeks, okay, so it's March early

1540
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 1: March right now. Um, it's great, it's great, it really is.

1541
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 1: I Hate Cowboys and all Dogs go to Hell. And

1542
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: I asked you about the title and the song I

1543
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: hate Cowboys. It's you have to hear it, kind of

1544
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: understand it. But you at cowboys for a good reason

1545
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: because you're kind of jealous of one. Well, you're just

1546
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: jealous because he was better than you. And then all

1547
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: that iays go to hell is not that I mean,

1548
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: it's all a web, allized like I don't know, you're

1549
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: just sarcastic thing. I don't even miss you. Yeah, right,

1550
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: and all's go to hell. Yeah, check it out, dude,

1551
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: we've been over an hour. Yeah, Like I feel like

1552
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: I got to know you better here than I ever have.

1553
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't know you, and I haven't always I don't

1554
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: want to say not gotten along. We just never Randy.

1555
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: We just were never near and it was like every

1556
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 1: and I was probably always like he's bigger than me

1557
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: and better lookings. I'm gonna stay well yeah, yeah, he

1558
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: gets girls. I've got a lot of ideas from other

1559
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: or people who have a lot of preconceived notions of

1560
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: who I am that are so off. But I think

1561
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 1: they're so off because of how I hope have presented

1562
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: myself in the past. Like and now I'm just not

1563
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: doing that anymore. There's good people say, I'm saying with me, right,

1564
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: Like I came into this place for years and would

1565
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: just like burn everything down. Yeah, it was it was

1566
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: out of insecurity. Yeah, like I'm gonna burn every single

1567
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: thing down in the town and they're gonna respect me

1568
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: and they'll have no choice. Yeah, and then now it's

1569
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: like here I am ten years later, and I still

1570
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 1: have that and that drive, but not the same. And

1571
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I didn't have people in the China shop. Yeah,

1572
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:08,440
Speaker 1: I was just so scared and I had imposter syndrome.

1573
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: And how I how I faked it was I'm bigger, smarter, um, smarter, funnier,

1574
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna if you come at me, I'm gonna

1575
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: come at you ten times as hard. And I wish

1576
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done that now. Yeah, and me too.

1577
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: And that's and Jake was a big part of that.

1578
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,760
Speaker 1: We're at his party over Christmas and he was just like,

1579
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: because you made the joke about me on your comedy thing.

1580
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: And immediately my first reaction is screw that. Hate that guy.

1581
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: But I thought about it too. I was like, he

1582
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: didn't lie, You didn't say anything wrong, but you did

1583
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: ask me you God to open a show for you.

1584
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, one and at okay, then you

1585
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: weren't lying. You didn't lie about anything. So what am

1586
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: I mad about? Um? And I just trust Jake man,

1587
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: And if your buddies with Jake, you're a good dude.

1588
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: He didn't put up with anything outside of that. I

1589
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: asked Jake. I said, hey, I ain't gonna put this out.

1590
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: I did this joke about Chase. I was like, and

1591
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 1: he's like, you don't like it at first, but Chase

1592
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: is a cool dude, like he'll get it, and like

1593
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: he made I like it at first, but you should

1594
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: because I went to Jake and I don't ever ask

1595
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: anybody about jokes because I'm just like, gonna put it

1596
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: out there, let it live. And then he was like, no, Chase,

1597
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 1: because I knew you and him were also friends. And

1598
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: I was like, he goes, just put it out. It'd

1599
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 1: be fine. And then you were at the over Jake's

1600
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, Chase is here, and I was like, well, cool,

1601
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: I'll talk. He's worried. He's like, you're worried. You told

1602
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:32,600
Speaker 1: me I could do the joke. Man, what's that? And

1603
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: then you and I talked he probably a baby for

1604
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 1: half an hour, just you and I just threw talked,

1605
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh man, I was good. I

1606
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: really enjoyed that. My manager text me after we were

1607
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: on your show last week or a couple weeks ago,

1608
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 1: and he uh, he was like, wait a minute, are

1609
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 1: you and Bobby boys now? He was even shocked. I

1610
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: was like yeah, man, if you talk to people's face

1611
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,799
Speaker 1: to face. But I was saying earlier it was on eyeballs.

1612
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: You quickly it's just souths different. And I like, you've

1613
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: even said you're different. I'm different than I've been in

1614
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 1: the last her and you just grow up and you

1615
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: there's no reason I have enemies, and if you do,

1616
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. I just I think at

1617
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: the end of the day, both sides would just get

1618
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: along better if they just talk. And there's no reason

1619
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: I have enemies in this town. In life, it's like,

1620
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 1: just talk to people, man, and you and I would.

1621
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 1: I we weren't enemies. We just didn't know each other. Yeah.

1622
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 1: We were just like it's not for me. We weren't

1623
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 1: enemies at all. But I was like, ah, you know,

1624
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: I'll pass and you were like, eh, I don't want

1625
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: to have to smoke him. So I was like, thank God,

1626
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: I don't want to smoke. I've always wanted to smoke

1627
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 1: one person. I don't want to get smoked. I followed

1628
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: Chase on Instagram and TikTok. Album's great and the tour

1629
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: is way down yonder right same, and you're doing some

1630
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: shows with Jelly Roll too. I saw that that was

1631
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: cool that he asked me to do that. So you

1632
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 1: guys follow up Chase and uh, dude, a great, great

1633
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: time way over now where I appreciate how generous you

1634
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,680
Speaker 1: were with stories and vulnerability, and um, there's just one

1635
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: I think people are going to see a whole new

1636
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: side of you here long form. One of my friends

1637
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 1: text me today. His exact thing was, I'm just gonna

1638
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,720
Speaker 1: read this to you. He said. Long form media is

1639
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 1: not good for liars because they get caught constantly. We

1640
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 1: just did an hour and a half this. I feel

1641
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 1: like this was a great hour and a half for

1642
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: me and you and for you and for this project.

1643
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: Long for media not good for somebody who's not being inauthentic,

1644
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: and I think this is very authentic. Yeah, it's And

1645
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to continue to be better a dude.

1646
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: I'm working through a lot of stuff still. But it's

1647
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 1: also easy to be that way when I know that

1648
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,200
Speaker 1: you're not going to sit here in JUDGM before it.

1649
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: And at the same time, if there are people out

1650
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 1: there who are gonna they're probably not the people for you,

1651
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: Like if they don't promote or like help you be

1652
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: yourself they're the wrong people to be around, all right.

1653
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: And that's what made that's what made it easy for

1654
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,080
Speaker 1: me too. Man. All Right, there is Chase Rice. I

1655
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: love this episode of The Bobby Cast. Subscribe on iHeartRadio,

1656
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.