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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: to be as rugged as the place as we explore.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, everybody, Happy new Do you guys notice

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Speaker 1: the New year already? We're actually recording live on January first.

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Speaker 1: I hope everybody's doing great.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: I'm not recording live. We're not recording. We're not We're not.

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Speaker 1: So we've got We've got a We've got a great

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Speaker 1: crew here today, doctor mister nukem Hello, you're here, very

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Speaker 1: interested in your to hear about your projections for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. We've got Caleb Now, I would I thought

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Speaker 1: it was spelled flies, but you tell me it is.

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Speaker 3: It is spelled flies, but it's pronounced fleece. It's lee German, yes, sir.

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Speaker 2: Really, finally our Germans on this show.

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Speaker 1: Another German. What we need.

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Speaker 2: My last name is Spielmacher. It's spelled it's spelled Speelmaker.

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Speaker 1: Nice it's just so unnecessary, over dramatized. Missy always used

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Speaker 1: to talk about, uh, our our friends sometimes we go

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Speaker 1: to Central America and they would come back and they

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Speaker 1: would be like.

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Speaker 4: Having a normal conversation and then just all of a

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Speaker 4: sudden say I went to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were down, and then just like talk back

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Speaker 1: to their American accent, Caleb, good to have you here, man,

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Speaker 1: get over here. Thanks. I just I just met Ale today,

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Speaker 1: but we've been internet buddies for a pretty long time.

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Speaker 1: And followed along on your traditional archery stuff. And uh

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Speaker 1: so you're from Norman, Oklahoma, Yes, sir, Norman, Oklahoma. Good

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Speaker 1: deer hunting over there, Yes, central ter over there, that's terrible.

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Speaker 1: Deer stay away from it anywhere. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: go to Iowa. That's where people should deer hunt. All

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Speaker 1: people should deer hunt in Iowa. Deer hunting Oklahoma's terrible.

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Speaker 1: Arkansas is terrible. But you live in Norman, Oklahoma, yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: And you're you're a.

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Speaker 3: Firefighter, yes, for the city of Norman. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Nice. How long you've been doing that, I've.

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Speaker 3: Been doing it six years. I've been at that department

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna come back to you. I need to

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Speaker 1: hear like your best fire fireman stories.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Caleb, do me a favor and pull that microphone

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Speaker 2: just a little bit closer.

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Speaker 1: Is that better?

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Speaker 2: That's much How about that much better?

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Speaker 1: Okay? We've got Josh Lyndbridge Spiel that's right here. And

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Speaker 1: we've got Barr John Newcom also here. See it now,

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Speaker 1: we're we've got scattered amongst the crew today. We've got

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Speaker 1: multiple not just traditional bows, but what they call self bows.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what a self bow is, or tell the people.

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Speaker 3: So the technical term for self bow would be a

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Speaker 3: bow made out of one piece of wood. It's shooting

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Speaker 1: Is that? So they call itself because it's propelling itself.

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Speaker 3: It is just it's just made out of one piece

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Speaker 1: I thought of that. Yeah, Like I made this bow myself.

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Speaker 1: It's a self bow. No, you wouldn't say that. I

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Speaker 1: more flashy? You got any ideas, Caleb?

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Speaker 3: Well, just I think they have to differentiate between long

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Speaker 1: Those are cool names. Though. Yeah, but now you have miss.

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Speaker 2: Can you have a self long bow?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's just doing all the work itself that it

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Speaker 1: There's no wheels there, there's no you know. Anyway, it

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Speaker 1: Uh so that's Bear on my back there, Caleb. That's neat. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so so, but it wasn't until twenty thirteen that

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Speaker 2: But at a Foalsom point.

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Speaker 1: Man, it is it is. It's stressful to carry one

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Speaker 1: I hats off. Just was like, man, I want to

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Speaker 1: so I started to shoot my compound again. Is that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you approve of that, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, to each their own.

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Speaker 3: I was just curious because, like you know, there are

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Speaker 3: just it's so addicting that I was okay with seeing

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Speaker 1: That was good. Yeah, that was year. That was way

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Speaker 1: So when did you start shooting traditional? Did your dad shoot?

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Speaker 3: I grew up hunting and fishing, but the traditional stuff

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Speaker 3: My older brother would shoot compound, and then I shot

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Speaker 1: And be like I wounded it. I wounded it.

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Speaker 3: My Grandpa's like, no, you're you're fine or whatever. But

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Speaker 3: Those bows, so this one. And I didn't really start

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Speaker 3: with it. So that is that is an osage orange

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Speaker 3: boat art. And then it's just got a coppread backing

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Speaker 3: their beaver tail handle.

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Speaker 1: That really snaky. So describe what snakey means. Bear, It's

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Speaker 1: basically like where the grain of the wood kind of

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Speaker 3: You know, what's the like filling contrast of being in

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Speaker 4: Personal reflection, Bear Grease reflection. Well, I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: Did you know that Misty is highly involved in a

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Speaker 1: shot a nice buck. He got a picture of it

438
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: right before it walked by. Yeah, isn't that right? Yeah,

439
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: it was like it was on the bigger end of it,

440
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: two and a half. It was a nice It was

441
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: a nice buck. And I can see from being right

442
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: above it, like the tip of it. Couldn't find it.

443
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't expect you to tell that failure story.

444
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 4: But well that was the most That was the biggest

445
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 4: feeling was.

446
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: The started it all in from there. Just the deer,

447
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: tough deer season. Yeah, okay, so that yeah, I'd say

448
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: that's it, Josh.

449
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: I had four goals this year outdoor goalsky. I only

450
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: made one of them, Okay, okay, yeah I had. My

451
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: first goal was to kill turkey, and I went hunting

452
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 2: and put in some miles and tough hunting, tough turkey

453
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: hunting in Arkansas. Couldn't find couldn't get on a bird.

454
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 2: My second goal, and I don't care what you say

455
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 2: about fishing, My second goal was to catch a twenty

456
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: five inch brown trout this year, and I caught a

457
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: twenty three inch brown trout. Twenty five inch, oh man,

458
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 2: so close. My third goal was to kill a but

459
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: kill a deer with a bow because I'd been out

460
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 2: of the bow hunting game for many years, yep, and

461
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 2: I got back into it, and I like, I really like,

462
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 2: I really put in the time and effort. You know,

463
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 2: I tried to shoot one hundred arrows a day for

464
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: several weeks before deer season, you know, just really dial

465
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: it in. Just met with the bow professional at the

466
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 2: bow shop and he helped fix my shot, and you know,

467
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: I really felt good about my shooting. And of course

468
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 2: right early season had a really had a thirty yard

469
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: shot at a really nice buck, and all that learning

470
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: and effort I put in went out the window and

471
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: I just got bow fever and just shot the old

472
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: style and completely missed him. So that was the third failure.

473
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: The fourth one was just to kill a buck this year,

474
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,479
Speaker 2: and I got a decent buck with a rifle, so

475
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: I'm happy about that one. So those are my Those

476
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: are my four goals. As I reflect on twenty twenty four,

477
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: which you know, we've still got a few days left here,

478
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: I know we're recording anything. Anything. I could go out

479
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: and it's true, catch my brown trout. I mean not

480
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: legally get a turkey, but I could kill a deer

481
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: with my bow. And you didn't get the twenty five.

482
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: That's a good year, you know what. I'm proud of you.

483
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: I think you just went out there and and and tried.

484
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: I mean that did I find a lot of times goals,

485
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: you set a goal and then half half of it

486
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: is just going and trying, and then you're like okay,

487
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: and you kind of set your expectations and you're like, well,

488
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: you know what, if I'm going to kill a turkey,

489
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: I guess I'm going to have to hunt a little

490
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: more than I did, or go to a different spot,

491
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: or you know, go in a different time, or you know,

492
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: you just learn stuff.

493
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 4: Says the The people who show up are always there

494
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 4: when our luck happens, when luck happens.

495
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question.

496
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 4: Chef's pretty he's full of inspiration.

497
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: I think it was a little tighter than that.

498
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's full of inspiration.

499
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: Now bear what I was actually wanting to talk about

500
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: failing man? No, I thought you would bring up our

501
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: Montana bear hunt. Oh that was a job you didn't

502
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: you didn't fail on that? Well, yeah that was also

503
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: you actually didn't. You didn't fail at all. But I

504
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: was I was hoping that would be in the in

505
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: the in the story arc because it was a big deal.

506
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: We went, we were going for like twelve days. I've

507
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: been trying to forget about that, so yeah, thanks for

508
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: salting that one.

509
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's take fires day.

510
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm open to that. I plan to. You really don't

511
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: have to focus on the bad things. That was actually

512
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: was just trying to get buried and talk about going

513
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: to Montana and not killing Beart. That's all. And then

514
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: now we're but this, actually it might play right into

515
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: my hand when we talk about the bear Grease podcast

516
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: this week, the bear Grease time Machine. Yes, because Misty

517
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: said that she noticed a theme. Once you go midway,

518
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: go ahead and tell the theme that you noticed in

519
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: the bear Grease podcast.

520
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 4: Well, listening to the bear Grease podcast for this most

521
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 4: recent week, and it was kind of my snapshots of

522
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 4: like some of the highlights from the best of all time.

523
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: I guess, well, just just ones that stood out.

524
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, ones that stood out. What I noticed is that

525
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 4: they all kind of shared a theme of difficulty, trial, failure, suffering,

526
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: you know, things that we typically associate with not good,

527
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 4: but in the you know, they were all just sort

528
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 4: of themes about yeah, struggle and failure and what good

529
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 4: came out redemption redemption.

530
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they were all I kind of picked up

531
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: on a theme of just being some outlaw and in

532
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: three of them, which I'm not four, but I find

533
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: myself and.

534
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: Talk about it a lot.

535
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I do. I do. Point.

536
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: I think you secretly, like deep down inside, wish you'd

537
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 2: been a I wish you'd been an outlaw in a

538
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: previous life.

539
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 4: Well, i'll tell you what it is. I don't think

540
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 4: it's that. I think it's that Clay he likes people.

541
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 4: He's always been really drawn to people who have very

542
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 4: a very strong sense of personal identity. True, and I

543
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 4: think that in Outlaws he finds people who in particular

544
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 4: personal identity that goes against the trends. There you go,

545
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 4: And I think that an Outlaws.

546
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: That's why.

547
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 4: There's probably more reasons just that.

548
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: A few more reasons than that. I think you're right,

549
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: though I know you're right, and a lot of times

550
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: I find well, I don't want to. Yeah, I said

551
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: on the podcast, my intent was never to glamorize breaking

552
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: the law, and somebody could probably make an argument that

553
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: I have, but that is not my intent.

554
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 2: I think I think you've made it pretty clear that

555
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: the way these stories of these outlaws have turned out

556
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 2: have brought redemption into either their own personal lives of

557
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: the lives of their family members. Yeah, and so I

558
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: think that's the thing that really that is really celebrated

559
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: inside of these stories.

560
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well we're going to talk about those, but

561
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: but but perhaps talking about some of our you know,

562
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: goals that we've achieved and failures we'll play into the

563
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: later conversation. Caleb, how was your hunting season? Man?

564
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: I would say really good for this year that me

565
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: and my wife just welcomed our first baby and May graduation.

566
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: We were super excited. We were married six years, so

567
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: it was it was time. It was time, and I

568
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: knew that was going to change hunting season, but I

569
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: still wanted to do some bear hunting Oklahoma. I didn't

570
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: have any time to go down there and bait or anything,

571
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: but just hunting National Forest. After a couple of days

572
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: in hiking quite a few miles, I did find a

573
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: whole bunch of fresh bear sign and I sat up

574
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: on a spring fed pond at altitude where there were

575
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: a ton of white oaks dropping and uh, I actually

576
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: had a group of turkeys come in and I missed

577
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 3: a turkey I don't want to leave bear hanging out

578
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 3: on the self.

579
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: Okay, so it was.

580
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: Like I didn't get a turkey either, just to be.

581
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: It was like ten yards too. It was a chip shot.

582
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: So but then I came back home and then hunted.

583
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 5: Uh.

584
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't hunt right where I live. I live.

585
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: I hunt about an hour. I won't say which direction

586
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: from where I live. But I did harvest two really

587
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: really nice bucks, and I was. I was really.

588
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: Happy with that because the year with your bows, Yes,

589
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: you're with my self, bows man, that's a big deal

590
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: to kill to any kind of deer with yourself both. Yeah,

591
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: and I didn't hunt that much this year. In the

592
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: previous year, I hunted ten times harder and I ended

593
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: up with one with my bow. And then I did

594
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: take the gun for the first time in a while

595
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: and shot on with my gun. But okay, for the

596
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: amount of time I got to go out, I was.

597
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: I was really blessed this year in the woods for sure.

598
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: Nice cool man. Uh you know what I think? I

599
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 1: think that Uh. I think if I only had like

600
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: four days a year to hunt, I would probably kill

601
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: more deer than I do. Right now, What do you mean?

602
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: I mean? Because I I would pick the four best

603
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: days of the year to go hunting. I wouldn't. It's

604
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: kind of like, I love to go hunting. I want

605
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: to go, So I might come out after this podcast

606
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: on January first and be like, you know what, I'm

607
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: gonna go sit in a tree stand for a couple hours,

608
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: and you know, the conditions aren't great. You know, it's warm,

609
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: or maybe I don't have animals on camera or whatever.

610
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: If you only had four or five days to hunt

611
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: and you could pick those days, you'd be going into

612
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: your spots and they would be super fresh. That's something

613
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: I learned this year hunting a new place that I

614
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: was hunting that actually didn't get to go to until

615
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: the first time I ever set foot on the property

616
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: was on November the eighth, never been there, just seeing

617
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: it on X and went in there, and I mean,

618
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: those deer hadn't been messed with. They were it was

619
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: prime time, you know, and I thought, Man, if I'd

620
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: have been over here messing around down since October first,

621
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: or you know, yeah, I would have messed things up.

622
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: I think sometimes not having much time is good. So

623
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: you're not going to mention that you missed two deer

624
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: that day, it's not.

625
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 4: It is your turn. No, no, well, I actually just

626
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 4: perused through my phone to see that was pretty good here.

627
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: I just went and perused through my phone to see,

628
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 4: like what happened this year? Kind of big stuff all

629
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 4: around we Mary John.

630
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: Graduated, joined a gang. Oh forgot about that.

631
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 4: Mary John graduated high school.

632
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: Our oldest daughter a success, our failure success, made it.

633
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 4: Out, made it out. Our oldest daughter got married. So

634
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: there's a lot of like wedding stuff in my photo.

635
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: Quick perusal of things. Uh, watched a lot of basketball

636
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 4: m hm, ship played a lot of basketball. Our other

637
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 4: daughter has, she's started a business, got a new job,

638
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 4: a couple of different jobs. Uh like, didn't lose a

639
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: couple jobs, like working two jobs, work at two jobs.

640
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 4: So a lot of a lot of activity around around

641
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: the family. I did. I did when my oldest daughter

642
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: got married. I wanted to make her quilt, and so

643
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 4: I made one and that kind of got some quilt

644
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 4: see going, and we decided to keep making them, so

645
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 4: we made several quilts. We made four quilts since June.

646
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 4: Pretty impressive. Yeah, I wouldn't call it a gang. They're

647
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 4: pretty pretty moderate people, you know, pretty moderate people. But

648
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 4: I would say there's been a lot of stuff that

649
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 4: I have not had time to do, like.

650
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: Failures.

651
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, these be my failures, are you know? I usually

652
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: garden a little bit heavier than I did this year.

653
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: We did grow the flowers for are some of the

654
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 4: flowers for our daughter's wedding. A friend grew a bunch

655
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 4: of them. So we did some things like that. But really,

656
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 4: after the wedding you gave up. Well, it's not that

657
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 4: I gave I had a surgery right after, so it

658
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 4: was just kind of like we just were busy and

659
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 4: the good planning times were focused on different stuff, and so.

660
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: We've gotten to the age where we just have surgeries now.

661
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: Yea.

662
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: But to be fair, mine was a surgery that probably

663
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 4: should have happened when I was a teenager. I got

664
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 4: my wisdom teeth taken out this summer.

665
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: Oh, that doesn't count as the surgery. I was sitting

666
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: here thinking what surgery.

667
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't really want to go into all of it.

668
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 4: Thanks for mocking it. I had had a ridiculous recovery.

669
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 4: A bear grease listener bailed me out though, Oh really yeah,

670
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 4: big shout out to doctor Cross in Bayetteville. If you

671
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 4: ever need your wisdom teeth taken out, go to that guy.

672
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: Wow, I had.

673
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 4: I had a kind of tough recovery and I ended

674
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 4: up pivoting to him.

675
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: Doctor Cross and Fable, Arkansas.

676
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, incredible.

677
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: Now, I wasn't saying that I didn't know. I knew

678
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: you had your wisdom teeth.

679
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, you were just diminishing. Let's talk about Clay. You're right,

680
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 4: it's it wasn't like a life threatening surgery.

681
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: I just saying that the lexicon of of dental surgery

682
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: wasn't there.

683
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 2: So I gall bladder out and he didn't know about it.

684
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: It was like, I hope that that if I have

685
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 4: a surgery, Clay would know about it. I mean I

686
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 4: do hope that. I hope. I would like to think

687
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 4: that he would. Anyway, I just didn't. And then school

688
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: started and things.

689
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: Were busy so great. Did you get to do any hunting?

690
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 4: I duck hunted, Yeah you did. I did, and I

691
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 4: was a shoe one. I was told I shot an

692
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 4: awful lot and surely one of them's mind.

693
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: Many many rounds came out of.

694
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 4: Duck hunting, like like just kind of going, yeah, I

695
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 4: do enjoy that.

696
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: Friend, the one, the one, the one duck she really

697
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: legitimately killed. It was like six teal that came in

698
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: just like I mean, they.

699
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 6: Just swooped in and she just boom. I mean just like,

700
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 6: I mean it didn't even look like she aimed. Were

701
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 6: like good shot. Yeah, it just about like that, didn't

702
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 6: I think? So, Yeah, good job.

703
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 4: I do enjoy it. And it's about time to go, duck.

704
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, filmmaker wants to go.

705
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: I want to set her up for a dunk. I

706
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 4: want to. I want to. I think I can maybe

707
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 4: work that out.

708
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Uh, I'm gonna go chronologically so I'll get

709
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: to missing those deer. But I'd say the perhaps the

710
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: biggest failure this year was I'd hope to have a

711
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: coon dog by twenty twenty four, and it didn't happen.

712
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 4: In fact, we lost were net.

713
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah lost we lost it. We lost it. Not a

714
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: good coon dog, but.

715
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 4: Gave very good dog. Ye, a retired coon dog.

716
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: He gave us, He gave it all he did. No, Yeah,

717
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: we we lost jed uh. But I'd hope to kind

718
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: of just get things in order to get a coon dog,

719
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: and I haven't yet. But in twenty twenty five, it's

720
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: like happening. I've got I've got a pup lined up

721
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: out of Ohio that I'm going to go get soon,

722
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: so there'll be more on that spring. Turkey hunted had

723
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: had a decent spring turkey season, killed the turkey, and

724
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: Tennessee killed the turkey. Mississippi with Lake Pickle had a

725
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: that was good.

726
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 7: No Arkansas turkey, So no, no, no about I'm kind

727
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 7: of just letting letting them, letting them do their thing

728
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 7: without without me getting after him.

729
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: Uh. The highlight of the year, I would say, from

730
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: from a hunting perspective was, uh was I. I went

731
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: to Alaska on a mountain goat hunt in August and

732
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: uh killed a mountain goat, which was one of the

733
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: one of the toughest hunts that I've ever done. And uh,

734
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: actually a film is going to come out early in

735
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: the year, early this year about about the hunt. It's

736
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: going to come out on the media YouTube channel, which

737
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: is going to be I haven't I mean we haven't.

738
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet, but I was there, so

739
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: I kind of know what happened, and it was it

740
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: was a scary, very scary hunts. Most scared I've ever

741
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: been in any hunting scenario, well, really any scenario in

742
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: my life. It got pretty sketchy with high altitudes and

743
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: on a cliff, recovering the goat got really sketchy. So

744
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: that was a big deal. Oh, I will say if

745
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking about kind of outdoor stuff. A highlight of

746
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: the year but also a struggle of the year was

747
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: the Meat Eater Live Tour, which was fourteen days going

748
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: from like April twentieth, like May seventh or something. And

749
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: it was a great time. But I had to sing

750
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: every single night, well ten nights, basically in a row

751
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: in front of a bunch of people, and uh that

752
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: was from the mountain. Go That's the most scared I've

753
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: ever been in my life.

754
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: How many record deals were offered to.

755
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: California, I'm still waiting. I'm still waiting, still waiting. No,

756
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: but I had had a I didn't really bear hunt

757
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: much this year in the in oh in the spring

758
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: your biggest Western bear, well, yeah, killed my biggest Western

759
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: bear with on a hunt with bear. We took our

760
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: mules to Montana and uh killed a big color phrase

761
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: bear in Montana, which was really cool that I think

762
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: we just got by the skin of our teeth like that. Hunt.

763
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: We killed a bear and and it turned out really good.

764
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: But we were like that far from going home with

765
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: nothing killed on the sixth day of a seven day

766
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: hunt and a spot we hadn't even been to. Kind

767
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: of just just hike, you know. I want to say,

768
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to say we got lucky because we did.

769
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: What you do when you bear hunt is that you

770
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: just keep you just keep pounding, you keep going to

771
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: new areas and there when the luck comes around and

772
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: get It's like shep says, you got to be there

773
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: when the luck shows up. But we did some stuff

774
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: right when we found where a bear was, you know,

775
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: and so I felt good about that. And then I

776
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: had a good year, pretty good year. Yeah, I had

777
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: a pretty good year bow hunting for deer, used my compound.

778
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: How could it get better? Well, man, Gary Newcomb put

779
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: this in me, and I'm forty five. I guess it's

780
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: not leaving if I don't kill a buck in Arkansas,

781
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: I just I don't. I just am kind of like ah,

782
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: like Gary Newkeomb, he he loved to bow hunt. Caleb.

783
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: I mean he's still he's Wow, he's not hunting a

784
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: lot right now, but I mean he's still alive, and

785
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: he would always he would say, if you can't do

786
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: it at home, you don't have any business going off

787
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: somewhere else to try to do it.

788
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're saying it's it just can damp in

789
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 3: your whole season. You can do everything, but if you

790
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: don't get a home state deer, Okay.

791
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: I mean for real, I can't help it. Like I

792
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: I when I think about my season, I'm just like, oh, well, yeah,

793
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: I killed deer in Oklahoma because a nice one in Kansas.

794
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm telling you, they just don't feel

795
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: like they count because those places are so good. You

796
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: did kill more like total inches of deer this year. Like,

797
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: have you ever killed.

798
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 4: Records here? Yeah?

799
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: Just after what I did to you, I probably have.

800
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: I had a couple of couple of years I rekilled

801
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: two bucks over. I'd have to think about it. Yeah

802
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: maybe maybe. But you're right, and I'm not. Well, I'm

803
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: still gonna I've still got a tag left that I'm

804
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: hoping to feel. But no, I don't want to take

805
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: anything away from those other bucks I'm having. I had

806
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: the time of my life hunting in Kansas and Oklahoma.

807
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: I truly did. But when I like, in the in

808
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: the corners of my mind, in the in the darkness

809
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: of the night, I am like, well, I didn't get

810
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: one in Arkansas. But I really didn't hunt much in

811
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: Arkansas because Bear brought up my failures. The first time

812
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: I went to this property that I got access to

813
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: this year, I it was November the eighth, never been

814
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: there and was just walking around. The first time I

815
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: got out of the truck, I saw a buck and

816
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: a dough and I was just like, Wow, cool, man,

817
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: there's there's some deer. I wasn't expecting to really see

818
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 1: any deer. The next time I got out of the truck,

819
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: I walked into a spot I wanted to looked up

820
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: on on X and went to wanted to see it.

821
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: I got to the spot and there was a buck

822
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: making a scrape like just right there, and he just

823
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: jumped out there like twenty yards and turned around and

824
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: watched me. And I was like, I could shoot that deer,

825
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: and it was nice. It was a nice little buck.

826
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: I'd have probably shot him. And so the next time

827
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: I just hit it at this like that day of

828
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: the year that it was just incredible. So I said, man,

829
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: the next time I get out of the truck, and

830
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: I was just scouting, never been here, like I'm gonna

831
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: carry a bow and man, ave darn if I didn't

832
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: get out of my truck and walk sixty yards and

833
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: I see a nice probably three and a half year

834
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: old eight point And I'd been training for shooting a

835
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: mountain goat, and so I mean I was shooting long distance.

836
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: I mean I you know, on the range. I mean

837
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: I could dial that bow to eighty yards and shoot good.

838
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: This deer was at sixty and he was standing there broadside,

839
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: not a twig between us. I had time to dial

840
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: my my sight in, take my time, and I was

841
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: kind of waiting for him to run off because I

842
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: really didn't want to shoot at it.

843
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 4: What podcast listeners are missing is Clay loosening up his

844
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 4: shoulders and.

845
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: Kind And I was just like, come on, dude, run off.

846
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: And he didn't run off, And so I just drew

847
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: back and put it low because I knew he was

848
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: going to duck the string shot and by the time

849
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: the ear got there, he was about probably eight feet

850
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: to the to the west in that area. Just went

851
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: I ca cank hang, I'm sure he didn't. And uh

852
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: so I did shoot at that deer. And then that afternoon,

853
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: I didn't have time to hang a stand, and I

854
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: just found a little pinch point and and and sat

855
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: down in this pinch point and built a little little

856
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: brush line of cedar bushes, and uh.

857
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: I was.

858
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: I didn't have a chair to sit in, and so

859
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: I was kind of moving around a little bit, but

860
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: I was I was hitting pretty good, and but I

861
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: couldn't see beyond the bushes. It was kind of one

862
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: of these deals where I had to kind of lean up,

863
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: and I knew if I heard one or saw one coming,

864
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: I could stay, hunker down, draw back, and do whatever

865
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: I was going to do. Well this buck. I heard

866
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: this buck and messed around, and I think he saw

867
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: me moving a little bit in the meat a little bit.

868
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: And I think it was it was that day they

869
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: were rutting so hard. I think that buck saw movement

870
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: and just ran straight towards it, because he literally ran

871
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: straight towards me. And I'm like, holy count, who it comes?

872
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: And I get my bow and get drawn, and a

873
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: by the time I get drawn, he just like slams

874
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: on the brakes at about five yards. I mean, he

875
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: was coming to me right. There's no reason for him

876
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: to come over there, and anyway, he he I didn't

877
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: want to shoot him head on and he uh, that's

878
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: not that's not true. I didn't draw my bow yet.

879
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: I got ready and he bounced there and we just

880
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: kind of stared down, and then he took two big

881
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: bounces and I drew and I thought he was thirty

882
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: and he was twenty four, and it just shot right

883
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: over his back. That was the same day. So I

884
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: was calling Bear every every deer I saw. I was

885
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: just like, I just missed one. I just saw one.

886
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: I just so there we go. Sorry to bring it up,

887
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: but I felt like I had Yeah you did, you did?

888
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: You absolutely had to. Wow. Have we been talking forty

889
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 1: six minutes?

890
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

891
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: What did y'all? What did y'all think of the what'd

892
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: you think of the podcast? Caleb? Would you have heard

893
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: those pod some of those podcasts before.

894
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 3: I'd heard uh Gershtalker, I'd heard the Donnie Baker. I

895
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 3: think I heard one of Warner Glenn's. Yeah, so i'd

896
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 3: heard those, and then the rest were the first time

897
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 3: i'd heard those kippets.

898
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, any of them stand out to you, Like,

899
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts about Yeah?

900
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: The Gershtalker one, you know, just really the thing that

901
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 3: stood out to me was the dogs. So like I

902
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 3: grew up, we were homeschooled, and we always had dogs.

903
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 3: We raised boy and spaniels and sold them and so

904
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 3: we had a lot of good dogs. And as a kid, like,

905
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 3: when you're raising a lot of dogs, you're going to

906
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 3: see some, you know, dying. So we lost some good dogs.

907
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 3: And like, I just think about how much, you know,

908
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: that hurts and doesn't feel good to lose a good dog.

909
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 3: And then I was at work last night. My wife

910
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 3: calls me and I could tell something was wrong, and

911
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 3: so it was like, oh no, and she told me

912
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,359
Speaker 3: that our our family dog of ten years she had

913
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 3: found last night dead.

914
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

915
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was our family dog my mom had rescued

916
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: off the streets and whatever ten years ago and just

917
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 3: a really good Great Pyrenees Anatolian dog that just was

918
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: a good guard dog for the property. And uh so

919
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, man, that that's makes me feel sad

920
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: or whatever. And then when you listen to that and

921
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about this dog that's on a property that

922
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 3: I see every day, that I pet occasionally, you know,

923
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 3: like that hurts to lose that dog, And I'm thinking

924
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 3: about these guys on the frontier and this dog is

925
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 3: you know, not only their companion in this remote expanse

926
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: of wilderness. You know, some nights serve by a fire

927
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 3: and that's the only friend they may have. But they're

928
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 3: relying on that dog to put food on the table.

929
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: And then to watch four of those dogs get killed,

930
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 3: you know, in a few seconds, like I can only

931
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: imagine like the heartache, and like that's obviously why they

932
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 3: risk their lives to you know, yeah, so then you know,

933
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: and then to you know, ger Stoker to wake up

934
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: the next day like seeing it's not a bad dream,

935
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 3: it's real, like for your dogs and your friend, Like, man,

936
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 3: it's just that's just sad. Yeah, yeah, it just like

937
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 3: breaks your heart.

938
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that was a that was a wild story

939
00:48:56,719 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: that that every time I read it or hear it,

940
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: like they're I'm just it's just such a way. It's

941
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: has so many complexities in it, from them bear hunting

942
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: in the eighteen forties, which is cool, but them bear

943
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: hunting with hounds owned by Native Americans, and then I

944
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: can't remember if in that little section it said it,

945
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: but there was Cherokees and choktaws in that camp and

946
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 1: then for the bear to kill him. And you know,

947
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of little inference points of authentification when

948
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: you hear some of these old stories, because you know,

949
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: some stories are like tall tales and just aren't true.

950
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: But when I heard that story and I heard that

951
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: Girshtalker went in to save the dog or Erskine went

952
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: in to save the dogs, that is the exact response that,

953
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: like every big game houndsman would have. It's just like period,

954
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: which is kind of surprising, because you would think if

955
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: your dogs were attacking a bear, wouldn't You wouldn't risk

956
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: your life to save the dog. You just wouldn't be

957
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: It was like dogs are just a tool, you know,

958
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: if they die, it's not as that big of a deal.

959
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: But holy cow, you're exactly right. I mean, these houndsmen

960
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: view these dogs. I mean they hold them in very

961
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: high esteem and they did back then. And uh, I

962
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: think if that story was made up, they wouldn't have

963
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have done that. I mean, I'm not I'm

964
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: not even suggesting that the story isn't real, but like

965
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: a point of authentication, like yeah, those guys how big

966
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: anything that bear was shoot. I don't know. It wouldn't

967
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: have had to have been very big to kill a

968
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: man and a bunch of dogs. I mean a lot

969
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: of times these guys say that the the smaller bears

970
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: are are the are the bad ones?

971
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 4: You know, you saying that there's a I heard Michael Lewis,

972
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 4: who's a well known author. He was given an interview

973
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 4: and he said, the fiction in when you're writing fiction,

974
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 4: it has to be plausible. When you're writing truth, it doesn't.

975
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

976
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 4: And if they wouldn't have had a I was just

977
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 4: thinking about you. You would not have thought people would

978
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 4: give their lives for their risk their lives for their dogs. Yeah,

979
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:13,760
Speaker 4: bears grease.

980
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say that story when I

981
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: read that, I don't know when. It would have been

982
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands sometime. That was the first

983
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: time I'd ever consciously seen the word bear Grease. Was

984
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: was him talking about his dog, and I was like grease,

985
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: and I went and and that's kind of what put

986
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: me on the trail of rendering bear fat And uh. Anyway,

987
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: as I give credit to old Gershtalker for that, I.

988
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 4: Always thought the dog's name was was actually Bear Grease.

989
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: But it was Bear's grease, Bear's grease. But that story

990
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: was translated from Germany into English, so Gershdagger wrote it

991
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: in German like the dude could barely speak English, but

992
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: you guys might not be able to police and Sebacher, Josh,

993
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: which one stood out to you?

994
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: You know, I'm always impacted when I hear stories about

995
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 2: Warner Glenn. Yeah, I think, you know, talking about redemption.

996
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:27,800
Speaker 2: I have great admiration for a man who makes a

997
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: big mistake and learns from it. And I think I

998
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: think you could tell in his voice and in the

999
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: way that he communicated about assaulting the border patrol agent

1000
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 2: that he recognized that, hey, this was me letting my

1001
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: emotions and my feelings come unchecked and uh and having

1002
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: a physical response to that. And I think I think

1003
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 2: that's something that he He showed great gratitude that he

1004
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 2: didn't go to jail, you know what I mean. He recognized,

1005
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 2: like this could have gone south really really quick, and

1006
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: he didn't let it happen again. You know, I think

1007
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: I think that taught him an incredible lesson. And to

1008
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 2: be able to learn a lesson from a situation like that,

1009
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: you know, there's a scripture that talks about a wise

1010
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: man falls seven times, but it's in the getting back

1011
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: up that is the where the honor comes from. And

1012
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 2: I think he got back up, you know, and he

1013
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: learned from it, and so I think that's the one

1014
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: that that really stood out to me.

1015
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: And you know, the rest of that podcast, it talks

1016
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: about how he became this really strong diplomat dealing with

1017
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: people that had way different viewpoints than him. So you know,

1018
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily dealing with border agents, I mean, but

1019
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: but but he dealing with the federal government, dealing with

1020
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: through his that Malpai Borderlands group, like they became like

1021
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: really effective, and so he had to he had to

1022
00:53:55,840 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: kind of like slow down. But uh yeah, yeah, if

1023
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: you hadn't listened to that episode, it's uh, I wish,

1024
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: I wish. Uh Tessa's got something treated out here. Squirrels

1025
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: see a squirrel? Uh yeah, No, that Warner Glenn. Really

1026
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: when I got to know Warner Glenn that episode, I

1027
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: literally drove to Douglas. Now we we drove, me and

1028
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: Mike Schultz drove to New Mexico and just met with

1029
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: him for a few hours and then left. But I

1030
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: would later come back and spend five days with him

1031
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: at his ranch and when we filmed, and that's when

1032
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: I really got to know Warner. I kind of wish

1033
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: we'd have done that episode after. I think, yeah, it

1034
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: would have been it, just it would have been a

1035
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: little better. When I heard it, I just pulling a

1036
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: clip out of the podcast, I recognize that, like we

1037
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 1: didn't have the rapport that we would later have together,

1038
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: you know. But I came home from that trip Warner

1039
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: and was truly impacted by the man's humility, work ethic,

1040
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: and the way that he made everyone feel. I don't

1041
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: think I've ever been around a person that did what

1042
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: he did. And it wasn't just what he said, it

1043
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: was just who he was. But he would the way

1044
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: he would treat the cameramen that get these guys that

1045
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: you know are like behind the scenes. He was just

1046
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: like super encouraging, NonStop. And I came home and and

1047
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 1: really was impacted by Warner. Glenn. Yeah, an incredible work ethic.

1048
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: One time he was waking up, we had a big

1049
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 1: film crew, and so he was saddling like seven mules

1050
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: and then trailering them and we were trailering them like

1051
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: two hours to where we were line hunting, and we

1052
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: were trying to be where we were line hunting by daylight.

1053
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 1: So he was waking up at like three am to

1054
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: saddle mules. Wow. And one day he I said, hey,

1055
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: I'll help you saddle the mules. And he said okay.

1056
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: He said, be out here in the kitchen, and I

1057
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: promise you missed it. He said, three fifteen. Mister Warner,

1058
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: if you're listening to this, you know that I love you.

1059
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: He said, be out here at three fifteen. Well, so

1060
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: I wake up about three and get dressed, and I

1061
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: keep hearing him out in the out in the out

1062
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: in the kitchen, and he's like out there early and

1063
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: I step out there at three fifteen and he's like

1064
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: he didn't say anything, but I could tell I was late, right,

1065
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: And I was like three fifteen. I don't remember the

1066
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: exact but I remember him being like, you're late, young man,

1067
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 1: and I was like, I didn't defend myself, but I

1068
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a pretty sure he's that three fifteen,

1069
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: not three, but he was. He was very nice to me,

1070
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: but I could tell I let him down. So, mister Warner,

1071
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: I have a feeling Morner Glenn's not gonna listen to

1072
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: this episode. Yeah, I think not probably so bear. Which

1073
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: one stood that to you? I think definitely the gersh

1074
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,479
Speaker 1: Talker one too, really, yeah, because I would have grown

1075
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: up like hearing that story. Yeah, whenever I was a

1076
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: little kid, You're like reading that book to me. But

1077
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: there were a few interesting points. The first one was

1078
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: that he said, like the wolves came around and started

1079
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: howling yep, which like we don't have wolves here anymore.

1080
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: I guess that would have been like red wolves though, yeah,

1081
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: I think I made a mistake. I think I said

1082
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: gray wolves. But there wouldn't have been like a gray

1083
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: wolf or a timber wolf. It would have been Yeah.

1084
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: But like two, what was interesting about it was that

1085
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: like two hundred years ago or however long ago that was,

1086
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: it was like a totally different ward because wasn't he

1087
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: after like a woodland bison? Yep? And I mean he

1088
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: killed he was here seven years and he killed one

1089
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: single woodland bison. Yeah, and he and he that's why

1090
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: he came to Arkansas. Is he wanted to kill a bison?

1091
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but yeah, And it's like I know, like

1092
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: here in that really that those stories growing up and

1093
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: then now like hunting in those areas or just kind

1094
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: of you know, in the Ozarks in general, just kind

1095
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: of going around. It's like it's pretty unique to think

1096
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: how or it's just cool to think of how different

1097
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: it would have been then, because like you go to

1098
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: like areas where they've never logged before, and the trees

1099
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 1: are like giant in the woods are just like totally different,

1100
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: and it's like that's how everywhere would have been. And

1101
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: so like now whenever I'm kind of out and about,

1102
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: it's like it's hard to really comprehend, but like the

1103
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: woods would have looked like he would have been in

1104
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: like a totally different but it's been a little bit

1105
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: like a different planet. Yeah, And so yeah, I thought

1106
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: that story was really cool, But then the other one

1107
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: was just kind of like the yeah, how wild of

1108
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: an experience that would have been. Like the part that

1109
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: really got me was, you know, Erskine's arms lifting up

1110
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: and his eyes wouldn't shut, and like just yeah, you

1111
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: can just imagine now he had to lay rocks on

1112
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: Erskine's eyes so that his eyes didn't glimmer in the

1113
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: fire and freak him out. Yeah, but yeah, it just

1114
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: would have been And then the dead dogs and the

1115
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: dead bear. I like how he described how people on

1116
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: the American frontier die like that all the time, and

1117
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: he said their memories are just yeah. Yeah, gersh Soaker

1118
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: was a he was a master storyteller. I mean he

1119
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: really was. And and and how it translated from the

1120
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: Germans so so powerfully into English is I mean maybe

1121
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: that's common, but usually I feel like you would be

1122
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: able to kind of tell that, you know, it wasn't

1123
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: quite right. But but whoever did that, I think did

1124
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: a good job. Because it's it is written, it is

1125
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: hard to read, like if you when I remember when

1126
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: I made that section, it was like a ended up

1127
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: being like eleven minutes years ago. When I made it,

1128
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: it took me like an hour and a half to

1129
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: read it because I would mess up like you would

1130
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: because the Senate structure was often kind of but it

1131
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: still sounds good to the ear.

1132
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1133
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: So that and then oh he's got more, Yeah, I

1134
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: got more. The whole story was wild, but like how

1135
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: tough he was like to not you know, he said

1136
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: he didn't make a didn't make a noise whenever they

1137
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: snapped his shoulder back into place, and then writing back

1138
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: he just said he was in like immense pain. But like,

1139
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: over no, we just talked about how he wasn't gonna

1140
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: even acknowledge it. Yeah, but yeah, overall that story was

1141
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: just they didn't have microplastics back then or mock estrogens

1142
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: in the water, That's right, I mean for real, Yeah,

1143
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean everybody talks about how somebody sent me a

1144
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: picture of the other day about saying that, you know, like

1145
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: men used to be tough. It is like a guy

1146
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,439
Speaker 1: carrying a deer or something, some old black and white picture. Yeah,

1147
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: and it's kind of it was. You know, people say

1148
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff all the time, and but it's

1149
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: actually quite true.

1150
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 4: I like how Clay looks at me for corroboration whenever

1151
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 4: he does these things. Is true, well yeah, that there

1152
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 4: are those things now, Yeah, it is true. But it's

1153
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 4: always it always puts me on the spot because Clay

1154
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 4: is he's a good storyteller. I don't know how far

1155
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 4: Clay would have actually gone in the research world, because

1156
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 4: there's a lot of caveats to almost everything. You know,

1157
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 4: you you like, exception, exceptions to the rule, and it

1158
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 4: it drives me bonkers sometimes when we when we walk

1159
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 4: out here, I'm just like, I don't know if you

1160
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 4: could actually say it quite like that, and we'll I'll

1161
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 4: tell him what what he got wrong. And he's like, yeah,

1162
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 4: but that's not the point, and he's not lying, he's

1163
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 4: just not like well, but then there's this one instance.

1164
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 2: He's a storyteller.

1165
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a I'm a researcher.

1166
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,439
Speaker 2: You are a researcher. But you're not an academic. You're

1167
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 2: not an you're not a lecturer. You're a storyteller.

1168
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, on the on the render. The render is

1169
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 1: just informal conversation.

1170
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, No, I think it's great.

1171
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 4: I think it's great. I think it's good. He takes it.

1172
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 4: He makes things interesting and.

1173
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: Uh, talking about we're talking about basically testosterone, right, And

1174
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: they were tough, that's true.

1175
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: Yes, they were tough.

1176
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: They were tough.

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01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: And and you look at those guys compared to today,

1178
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: to the were smaller men, you know what I mean,

1179
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 2: just thinks just on average, you know, the height of

1180
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 2: an average man was probably five seven, five eight, yeah, exactly,

1181
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 2: So you got these you got these guys, and it's

1182
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 2: just had a tremendous, tremendous athleticism, physical prowess that were today,

1183
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 2: according today today's standards would be little guys. You know

1184
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,919
Speaker 2: that that had all these things that they did.

1185
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: You know, I so have we done everybody's misty? Which

1186
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: one stood up to you? Well? Is it? Mister Britt,

1187
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: mister Britt Davis?

1188
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 4: That story when he tears up in that story and

1189
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,720
Speaker 4: you ask him about what that was like, and he's

1190
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 4: probably what eighty five.

1191
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: Years old, Well he was ninety now.

1192
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 4: He's ninety two, Okay, When he tells that story and

1193
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 4: he thinks back to when he was thirteen and his

1194
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 4: dad died and he had to go to work and

1195
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 4: buy the farm, and he's still and he got teary eyed.

1196
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 4: I thought that was just a human moment. And he

1197
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 4: he is. He's treated very well by his descendants. I

1198
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 4: mean they really respect him. And he has earned it.

1199
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 4: I mean he's clearly clearly earned it. But that that

1200
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 4: is truly an incredible story. And you think about the

1201
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 4: value of that land. Now, you know that's out there

1202
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 4: where it's almost impossible to buy land out there now

1203
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 4: if you grew up there, it's so expensive. And him

1204
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,959
Speaker 4: being a thirteen year old and bought it with a.

1205
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: Grew a crop of tobacco. I'm thinking about growing a

1206
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 1: crop of tobacco.

1207
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I knew. I actually thought, I hope neither

1208
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 4: of our boys listen to this today because they might

1209
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 4: be coming in with a proposal.

1210
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: For So I tried to find a way to tell

1211
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: this story in the vo about mister Brett, but I

1212
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: just couldn't do it. I just couldn't figure out how

1213
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: to do It was just too a little too clunky

1214
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: of a story. But the first time I stayed with

1215
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: Roy Clark is his son in law, so mister Brett,

1216
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: mister Brett stays with Roy a lot at their house.

1217
01:04:56,120 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: He kind of has a room there. And the first

1218
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: time I stayed and hunted with Roy Clark in East Tennessee,

1219
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 1: went to his house late in the evening and Roy

1220
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: was like, well, you can stay down here. They had

1221
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: to bed kind of in the basement, and I went

1222
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: down there and he said, my father in law's down there,

1223
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: kind of off in a little side room, and he said,

1224
01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: so just so you know, there's like somebody else down here,

1225
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: you know. And so anyway, I didn't think much about

1226
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: it and just went to leap in the next day

1227
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: I met mister Britt and uh, and he you know,

1228
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: he he would he would sit over there and not speak. Yeah,

1229
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: like you know, you kind of got to talk to

1230
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: him to get him to talk. But he's very attentive,

1231
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: very together. He knows what's going on. Anyway, I introduced

1232
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: myself to him. I said, mister Britt, my name is

1233
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: Clay and uh and he said uh. He said, I

1234
01:05:53,920 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 1: was afraid you're gonna rob me last night and I

1235
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, I wasn't. I wasn't. I can't

1236
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: remember the way, just the way he said it. But basically,

1237
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I'm coming into his house. He

1238
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: doesn't know who I am. It's the middle of the night.

1239
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 1: He knew I was coming, but he was just like

1240
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: all night he was just like it was anyway, mister Britt.

1241
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: A little clunky, little stories, a little clunky.

1242
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 4: Did you tell your favorite one? I did, just making sure.

1243
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I don't know that I had a favorite one.

1244
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: The those when when we came up with those, we

1245
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: had this idea to do like a time machine podcast,

1246
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: and I just instinctively.

1247
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 2: Rattled off like five or six and.

1248
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: So that's what I so they We didn't we didn't

1249
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 1: think about it. It was just like what stood out

1250
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: to me, and I'll never forget when mister Britt told

1251
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: me about buying that land. I'll never forget when Warner

1252
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: Glenn told me about, you know, beating up that officer.

1253
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: I'll never forget when I'd known Louis Dell and Charlie

1254
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 1: in where I was from my whole life and knew

1255
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: their story and or knew a part of their story.

1256
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: And then when I finally kind of gave it the

1257
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: story enough attention to go to Stony and say, hey,

1258
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: tell me about your dad and your uncle. The first

1259
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: thing he did was pull out those newspaper clippings from

1260
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty six when their uncle was killed, you know, murdered.

1261
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and his other uncle shot in the ear.

1262
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. They who they grew up with their whole life,

1263
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: like Uncle Andy they called him, I mean, just died

1264
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: like I mean in recent times, I mean, you know,

1265
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: and who had half an ear his whole life. And

1266
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: then going, oh, I get it, you know, I kind

1267
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: of see the at least the start of kind of

1268
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: how this family got going the way they were. You know,

1269
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: I just never forget that, you know, And it's kind

1270
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 1: of like people are the way they are a lot

1271
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: of times for reasons that can go way back, and

1272
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: that again that doesn't justify it, but I think as

1273
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:18,839
Speaker 1: if you understand that you have the right to overcome stuff,

1274
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, because sometimes stuff like that's blind, like you

1275
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: don't know why you're.

1276
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 4: This way, you don't even realize you this way.

1277
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then but so it's like just awareness of

1278
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: your own life, your own past, the way you were

1279
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 1: raised is powerful. I think. So I'll never forget that

1280
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: the Gershocker thing, favorite story of all time. And I

1281
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 1: think I learned something when I made that Girshtocker podcast

1282
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 1: that was that was actually the third It was played

1283
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: as the fourth, but it was the third episode of

1284
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: bear Grease that we ever made. And I remember it

1285
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: being an eleven minute section of me just reading a

1286
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: book and I just thought, there's no way that this

1287
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: is going to be good. And I read it and

1288
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: we we put music to it and we put it

1289
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: in context, and it just like it just like hit

1290
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: and uh and and it's kind of like we learned

1291
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: something you know that you could you could. I mean,

1292
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: a good story is a good story, no matter when

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01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,719
Speaker 1: it's told. And uh and and that was the story

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01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: that Rogan talked about on his podcast and he liked,

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01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: you know, and I mean it just it just kind

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01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: of gained a lot of traction. But I felt like

1297
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: I learned something there and that hat tip to Ger

1298
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 1: Shtocker for well being yeah, but teaching me what Bargeras was.

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01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 1: And then Donnie Baker. I had to include Donnie Baker.

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01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: Of all the episodes, of all the interviews I've ever done,

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: I was probably most surprised by his because partly mainly

1302
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: because I didn't know him, had no information on him.

1303
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: No nobody referred me to Donnie Baker. Donnie Baker had

1304
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: reached out to me just probably like you did years ago.

1305
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, just just talking about something, you know. And

1306
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: I messaged him back and then he just threw out

1307
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: like a very short sentence about how he got in

1308
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: trouble with the law a few years ago and had

1309
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: killed this two or nine inch buck like he wasn't

1310
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,600
Speaker 1: he was. He just said it to me and it

1311
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 1: made sense in our context, and I just immediately just said,

1312
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: would you be willing to tell me about that? And

1313
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: he was like sure, And I called him on the

1314
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: phone for a pretty short conversation and basically was like, well,

1315
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in Missouri next week. How about

1316
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: I just come by? And I told him, and he

1317
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: would tell you this today. I told him, I said, Donnie,

1318
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can use this episode, So

1319
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: please don't don't have your right heart set on, heart

1320
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: set on you know what we're going to do with this.

1321
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: And I also was just like, hey, you don't have

1322
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: to do this, like I don't want you to feel compelled,

1323
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: because he was a big he liked bear grease, and

1324
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: I felt like he was just kind of doing me

1325
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,800
Speaker 1: a favor, which was kind of odd to me that

1326
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: he would be like, well, sure, i'll tell you about

1327
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: this like terrible thing that happened, you know. And so

1328
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 1: I was like trying to feel him out, like are

1329
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: you doing this just because if you're doing this for me,

1330
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: we're not going to do it, like I don't want

1331
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: to like drag up your dirty laundry just so I

1332
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: can have something so we can just peer in and

1333
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: look at somebody who did something wrong. But so I

1334
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 1: kept trying to figure out like why he would talk

1335
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 1: to me, and and so I basically just said, let's

1336
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: just try it and we'll just see. We'll just have

1337
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,639
Speaker 1: a conversation. And I mean usually when I interview someone,

1338
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: you really you kind of you talk to him and

1339
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: you ask him questions and you kind of come in

1340
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: from this way and that way. And I remember we

1341
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: just put the headset on and I just said, I've

1342
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: got the recording. I've listened to it before. I gave

1343
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: like a five minute preamble of me just being like, well,

1344
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: where are we going to start, Donnie dud dud da

1345
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: da da duh. And finally he started talking, and he

1346
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: basically didn't stop talking for two hours.

1347
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 2: Wow.

1348
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: And he told me the whole story of the buck

1349
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: and just just just like unusual vulnerability and transparency in

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01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: the way that he communicated about that. I think there's

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01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: very few people that could have done what he communicated

1352
01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: the way that he did. Because I actually thought, and

1353
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 1: Donnie will probably be listening to this. Donnie knows, Donnie

1354
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: knows I appreciate him.

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Speaker 3: I thought, and I've said this to him before. I

1356
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 3: didn't know this guy.

1357
01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 1: I thought, maybe when I get there, he's gonna to

1358
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: try to justify what he did. And think, well, he'll

1359
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: have this national platform to kind of clear his name,

1360
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, which you could do in like nuanced ways,

1361
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, like you could you could tell the story

1362
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: but kind of put some qualifiers here in there, or

1363
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: just the tone, like you can talk to somebody. And

1364
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: he was a really good at discerning intent, whether they

1365
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,799
Speaker 1: want to or not. But you can tell someone's intent

1366
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: just by just just the vibe that they put out.

1367
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: And I was just really surprised at Donnie's transparency and

1368
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: his just the way he told the story and then

1369
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: the sequence that he told it, because he tells about

1370
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: this deer and then I'm like, basically was like, well,

1371
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: was this a big deal? And he was like, yeah,

1372
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: as a big deal, but let me tell you about

1373
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: what was really a big deal. And he starts telling

1374
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 1: me about his wife ye, And I mean, I'm just like,

1375
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: where is this story going? And the story ends with

1376
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: his wife passing away. And I couldn't have weaved that

1377
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: story together. It just came together just as he told it.

1378
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: And it was just this powerful moment of just seeing

1379
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: the bigger picture of someone's life in a way kind

1380
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: of like Louis Dell and Charlie, Like if you could

1381
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: get away from them and their outlawn and their brash

1382
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: nature at times and kind of see a little bit

1383
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: bigger picture, and like the people that actually knew them

1384
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: had in the community, they had a lot more empathy

1385
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 1: for somebody like that. But like a Donnie Baker killed

1386
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: two or nine inch year on public land, tried to

1387
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:06,520
Speaker 1: hide it. Oh man, they they him. I mean, just mercifully, mercifully, merciless, mercilessly,

1388
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: you know, And I would feel justified in doing the

1389
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: same thing. I mean, just this week that C. J.

1390
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: Alexander guy, Uh did you see that? Yeah? Yeah, he

1391
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: was convicted. Yeah yeah, this guy to Ohio killed a

1392
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: world class typical Have you seen that, Josh, you've seen it? Bear, Yeah,

1393
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: this guy. I mean, it's not like I'm revealing something

1394
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,720
Speaker 1: people haven't already known that this guy c. J. Alexander,

1395
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: pretty young guy, I don't know, probably thirty. So he

1396
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: killed this big buck, put it all over the internet,

1397
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: talked about it, went on podcasts, had it scored maybe

1398
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: it was it going to be a state record. I

1399
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: don't remember those, but it was huge. It was one

1400
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: of the biggest deer killed in America last year. As

1401
01:15:53,720 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm Ohio, I think, Ohio. Yeah, Well, then we find

1402
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,120
Speaker 1: out that he, I mean, he's been convicted of like

1403
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,919
Speaker 1: completely killing it illegally on land he didn't have permission

1404
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: on and taking it to land he did, and there

1405
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: was this big cover up. And uh, I mean I

1406
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: would have no problem talking negatively about that guy. And

1407
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't know his story. I don't know. I just

1408
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: and I don't think I could do a story on

1409
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, Donnie Baker was just like a really

1410
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: rare casep that just happened all on its own. You know.

1411
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,719
Speaker 1: I said in that episode that I kind of felt

1412
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: the need, like, you know, coming into the fourth year

1413
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: of our podcast, where people kind of begin to expect

1414
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 1: certain things from you, and it's like, I guarantee you

1415
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: the stories are just gonna keep getting better in twenty

1416
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: twenty five, and man, yeah, we've got a lineup and

1417
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: we've got plans and we're gonna do this and we're

1418
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: gonna do that. And I'm like, no, I can't guarantee anything, right,

1419
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: And I never I never had a guarantee on anything.

1420
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: I mean, these stories and and and what anything that

1421
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 1: has that that has been good that has happened through

1422
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 1: this podcast has happened on its own. I mean it's

1423
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 1: it's it's not been fueled by by me or by

1424
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: Josh or by anybody. It's it's uh, it's I don't know,

1425
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 1: just uh. I mean I think I think God's helping us,

1426
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: no doubt, but it's uh so I can't I can't

1427
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: guarantee anything.

1428
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: So tune in for some real crap and.

1429
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 4: I ain't gonna be good. We'll get good stories that come.

1430
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 1: Along, no, But that's what gives me confidence in the

1431
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: future autely is that, man, they're a great story worries

1432
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: out there.

1433
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 2: There are some great stories.

1434
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 1: There's no When we first started this podcast, Caleb Day,

1435
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: I had to make twenty six right right out, twenty

1436
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: six mock episodes, which would be a full year of

1437
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 1: Burgers because we do a Burgrease documentary style podcast every

1438
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: two weeks. And I remember like writing all these things

1439
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: out and being like, man, that's that's about all I got,

1440
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: you know, you just couldn't really think of anything. And

1441
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: then very quickly we saw that content was not there's

1442
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 1: no shortage of great stories.

1443
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 2: Yep.

1444
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 3: You start getting a lot of listener leads of hey,

1445
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 3: you should check this out or is it just all

1446
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 3: naturally stuff?

1447
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: That I mean a lot of everything, you know. I mean, yeah,

1448
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: there's been some good listener leads that we've followed, and

1449
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 1: probably hundreds that we haven't that would would be legitly

1450
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: good episodes. People almost every day give me and I,

1451
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, say hey, you should do this, and I'm like, man,

1452
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: he's right, I bet that would be good. But but

1453
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: more so it's just the kind of the the natural

1454
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 1: trajectory of just stuff I'm exposed to, you know, that

1455
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: kind of see. I mean I would say most of them,

1456
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: but there's no one place that they come from, right,

1457
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: But no.

1458
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 4: So it was a good year. Good way to start

1459
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 4: with Donnie Baker, good way to end with Donnie Baker.

1460
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, yeah, M.

1461
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: I really like Donnie's just genuineness, just a genuine guy.

1462
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 2: He's just a just a guy. I appreciated how he

1463
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 2: you know, when you ask him the question like were

1464
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,639
Speaker 2: you like hesiting, He's like, nope, I decided to kill it,

1465
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 2: like he was honest, like just I made like you could.

1466
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 2: He had that moment and he's like he made that

1467
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 2: moment where he made the decision that he was he

1468
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 2: never made that decision before, like it was an never

1469
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 2: even on the table, but when it came, he was

1470
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: like I made that decision, and that's when he recognizes

1471
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 2: was the downfall from that moment on. You know, if

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01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 2: you talk to him today, I'll tell you the same thing,

1473
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 2: you know, m.

1474
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: Yep.

1475
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 2: Anyway, it was a great year. Great podcast, man, it's good.

1476
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 1: It's a good year. Caleb. You have a podcast.

1477
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 3: I have a little hobby cast. Yeah, it's just over

1478
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 3: bow building. And so I told myself, like, and me

1479
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 3: and my friend decided to start it. He builds bows

1480
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 3: as well, and we call it the Primitive Archery Podcast.

1481
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 3: But I figured it was a tool I could use

1482
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 3: to talk to some of these you know, kind of

1483
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 3: clothes shelled bowyers, these old timers that are phenomenal bowyers

1484
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 3: that maybe don't want to give their their secrets. When

1485
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 3: not that I'm expelling all their secrets for everywhere here,

1486
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 3: but maybe it's an olive branch that I could start

1487
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 3: a conversation with some of these guys so they don't

1488
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 3: that information is not lost. So selfishly, like, I want

1489
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 3: to have conversations with these guys. And then you know,

1490
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 3: why would I hold that, you know to myself? Why

1491
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 3: not share it as long as they're okay with that obviously,

1492
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 3: And so you know, I haven't touched it during hunting

1493
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 3: season like that's priority. But yeah, it is fun and

1494
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 3: it is a it's a great community, just like the

1495
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 3: traditional archery community. Like I'm sure like the bear grease community.

1496
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 3: It's a lot of like minded people that just I

1497
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 3: don't know if you've been to any like traditional shoots

1498
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 3: or anything like that, but it just seems like there's

1499
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 3: a lot. It just seems like there's always good people

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01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 3: on that kind of stuff. So yeah, yeah, I enjoy it.

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01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, the traditional archery world is a great world.

1502
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: Well they got one treat again out there. Shoot, man, Caleb,

1503
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna ask you. I mean

1504
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: we're already it's closing time, but uh, I was gonna

1505
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 1: ask you your best firefighting story?

1506
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 2: Do you actually fight?

1507
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: Do you put out many fires?

1508
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 3: That's probably five percent of our job. Yet ninety percent,

1509
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 3: i'd say is medical calls where we respond with an

1510
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 3: ambulance and help them. And then maybe five percent is REX.

1511
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 3: And so like when you say good story, percent is REX,

1512
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 3: this is guestimations. I don't know, Like I could get

1513
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,479
Speaker 3: in the computer do REX every day now and you

1514
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 3: know we've got I thirty five cuts through my area

1515
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 3: and then Highway nine as well. Highway nine is one

1516
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 3: of the most dangerous sections of highway in the country,

1517
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 3: and we run a lot of res a lot of

1518
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 3: I don't know the real reason, honestly, you know, like

1519
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 3: a lot of it. They four laned a lot of it,

1520
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,040
Speaker 3: but it used to be two lane undivided, and so

1521
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 3: you'd have a lot of head on collisions and there's

1522
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 3: some curves and there's a lake out there. So I

1523
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 3: don't know if a lot of you know, partying at

1524
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 3: the lake and people driving home. I mean, there's speculations.

1525
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 3: But when you think I think of good stories like

1526
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 3: that we might tell at the coffee table in the morning,

1527
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:43,320
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of them are probably not stuff

1528
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 3: you want to share.

1529
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: Maybe, like I can think of one I was.

1530
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 3: I was a brand new Rooky and a lot of

1531
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 3: times Ricky's they're messing with you all day and you're

1532
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 3: just you're trying to earn your spot at the coffee

1533
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 3: table and just you know, earn your spot on the team,

1534
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 3: and so you're taking out of trash and they're dumping

1535
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 3: flour and water on you all the time and stuff,

1536
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 3: and so you're always trying to earn your spot and

1537
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 3: do stuff to earn that spot. And so one day

1538
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 3: our chief walked in was like, hey, the you are

1539
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 3: called and they can't get a ring off a lady's finger.

1540
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,560
Speaker 3: One of y'all needs to take the drimal on my

1541
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 3: office and go down there and help them.

1542
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: And so.

1543
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 3: My captain was like, okay, we'll go, and then he

1544
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 3: was like, does anyone use the dremmal? And none of

1545
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 3: those guys had used the drimal. Well, I use them

1546
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 3: on my bow stuff, like that's what I carved the

1547
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 3: bear Paul with. And so I was like, oh, I've

1548
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 3: used one, not realizing what we were about to do.

1549
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 3: And then we get in the er and there's doctors

1550
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 3: and nurses all around and there's just a dremal with

1551
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 3: no guard or anything, and this lady's finger is super

1552
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 3: swollen and starting to separate because what happens is your

1553
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 3: blood gets past it ring, but it can't return because

1554
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 3: your arteries are pumping that blood harder than your veins

1555
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 3: can return it. And so like she could have lost

1556
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 3: her fingers.

1557
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 1: So I just have someone.

1558
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 3: Pouring water, Yeah, the bow, you're and I got my drimal,

1559
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 3: just like hoping it doesn't grab and like shoot into

1560
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,879
Speaker 3: this lady's finger or something, you know, and like, anyways,

1561
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 3: we got it off and saved your finger.

1562
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: How did you do it when you got right down

1563
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: to the last little part.

1564
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 3: So they took like these four steps and stuck them

1565
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 3: under to give me some space, a little bit of space,

1566
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 3: and they were pouring water out of like a flush

1567
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 3: that they would use an IV to keep it cool,

1568
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 3: to keep it from heating up.

1569
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: But you know, like I.

1570
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 3: Don't have I don't doctor's protection and liability and stuff

1571
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 3: like that. And I'm sure the doctor's got the bill too,

1572
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,599
Speaker 3: like I didn't see my cut. Yeah, we joke about that,

1573
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,719
Speaker 3: but I just thought it was funny, like you would

1574
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 3: expect a doctor to be able to save your finger.

1575
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 3: And they're like, we don't know quali fire because they

1576
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 3: have ring cutters that are kind of like can openers,

1577
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 3: and they weren't working. Whatever her ring was made out

1578
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 3: was too tough.

1579
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: Wow wow, good.

1580
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: Job, good job. So that's a PG one. Yeah yeah, yeah,

1581
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 1: oh gosh, yeah, I bet so well. Happy New Year

1582
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: to everybody, very happy new year, and and uh it's

1583
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be a good year. Keep the

1584
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: wild places, wild because that's where the Brady to be.

1585
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 2: M m hmmmmmm

1586
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: Mm hmm