Speaker 1: We welcome you to another edition of the Official Titans Podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. The OTP always features
Speaker 1: Amy Wells. Hello, Mike, how are you? Oh? I am
Speaker 1: so good better now that we're doing another edition of
Speaker 1: the OTP. Everybody's together because gets who's back? The great
Speaker 1: Jim Watt from Tennessee Titans dot Com. I'm here, I'm
Speaker 1: in a rocket chairs I've been rocking in out of
Speaker 1: the picture here. Don't do that. Stop doing that? Please
Speaker 1: please just continue that. And of course a man who
Speaker 1: is the spokesperson for Farm Bureau Health Plans himself, coach
Speaker 1: Dave Magetnis. How are you hi, guys. It's so good
Speaker 1: to see you. You know what I said earlier, I
Speaker 1: feel like a puppy when every somebody comes in the house.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to see you guys. You know how
Speaker 1: you how your dog's always so happy to see you,
Speaker 1: Like you've been gone forever and you've been gone for
Speaker 1: ten minutes. I miss you, guys. This is great seeing
Speaker 1: everybody all right. So we are in the hours. We
Speaker 1: are literally down two hours before the NFL Draft on Monday.
Speaker 1: Titans head coach Mike Rabel, Titans general manager John Robinson
Speaker 1: spoke to the media, Jim, what what if anything jumped
Speaker 1: out to you? Well, he had a dog barking through
Speaker 1: the conference calling coach Mike was referring to a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier. He didn't give up too much. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he said that, you know, as usual, he's open for
Speaker 1: business as far as the trade goes. You know, potentially
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily bother him if the team had to move
Speaker 1: by the first round, as long as it could get
Speaker 1: more picks. You know. The Clowney question came up, David
Speaker 1: and Clowney obviously has been a top of the conversation
Speaker 1: around the NFL, and the Titans have been linked to
Speaker 1: him since John Robinson expressed an interest in him a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks to go and said what the team
Speaker 1: does in the draft certainly could impact what happens with Clowney.
Speaker 1: They may circle back to him before the draft or
Speaker 1: after the draft, so we'll have to see what happens here.
Speaker 1: But didn't reveal much. I mean, he knows how to
Speaker 1: play this game and talk through some of the issues
Speaker 1: that the team and teams across the league could be
Speaker 1: dealing with. The different draft this year obviously a virtual
Speaker 1: draft opposed to know how we've seen it so many
Speaker 1: years in the past. Amy, what if anything grabbed you
Speaker 1: from the pre draft news conference on Monday, you know,
Speaker 1: John Robinson was kind of walking us through the technology
Speaker 1: aspect and what things are going to be different, and
Speaker 1: I was surprised by the amount of different channels that
Speaker 1: he is going to be a part of and be
Speaker 1: plugged into all at once. He has his scouts on
Speaker 1: a separate channel from some of the people who would
Speaker 1: usually be in that war room, which is a separate
Speaker 1: channel from all the other thirty one general managers. He's
Speaker 1: going to have a lot of moving parts in a
Speaker 1: lot of different screens that he's going to be monitoring.
Speaker 1: So I'm interested to see how all of that unfolds.
Speaker 1: And it was cool for me to be able to
Speaker 1: get a little bit of an insight into what that
Speaker 1: exactly is going to look like come Thursday. Coach Mack,
Speaker 1: as you talk to your friends, colleagues, everybody that you
Speaker 1: know around the league, what are you hearing about the
Speaker 1: technology and the concerns that people have, if any, going
Speaker 1: forward in this process. Well, some are more challenged than others.
Speaker 1: And I think you know, since we've been into this
Speaker 1: situation for a while. Now people are getting more comfortable
Speaker 1: with it. I talked to some people after they're dry running.
Speaker 1: It was a little challenging at first. I think the
Speaker 1: mute button is the big thing that everybody has to
Speaker 1: give you to, you know, when everybody is hooked up.
Speaker 1: I mean, but just learning how to operate it. But
Speaker 1: the overall feeling is is that we're going to be okay,
Speaker 1: We're going to be fine. You know, Amy referenced, you
Speaker 1: know what, John Robinson, how many different areas he's going
Speaker 1: to be hooked up to and hooked into. And I think, look,
Speaker 1: I think all of the IT departments in the National
Speaker 1: Football League are very very accomplished. I mean, in this
Speaker 1: day and age, you hire those people to do that.
Speaker 1: And then plus I mean, you know, John Robinson is
Speaker 1: very very tech savvy. There are some general managers and
Speaker 1: some head coaches that are not as tech savvy, but
Speaker 1: they are going to have some help with it. And
Speaker 1: so to me, the biggest thing I came away with
Speaker 1: is we're interested to see how it works, but we're
Speaker 1: also looking forward to making it work. Not anybody that
Speaker 1: I talked to said we just don't like this at all. Nobody.
Speaker 1: I got that from nobody, which mac Let me stay
Speaker 1: with you for just a second. Jenevian Clowney has not
Speaker 1: signed with anybody at this point, and obviously Titan fans
Speaker 1: are very interested in that because the Titan's name has
Speaker 1: been mentioned with him on multiple occasions. But why has
Speaker 1: nobody signed the big man yet? What is he waiting on?
Speaker 1: And or what our team waiting on? What everybody was
Speaker 1: waiting on early? I mean, we we've said it several
Speaker 1: times and here here's what it is. They're waiting on
Speaker 1: the money, okay, because the money is up there at
Speaker 1: a high, high range. And also you know, they're waiting
Speaker 1: on the physical because nobody's been able to physically get
Speaker 1: their doctors in front of him or him in front
Speaker 1: of the doctors, and so they're not going to make
Speaker 1: that move now. And look the way that we're doing
Speaker 1: things virtually right now anyway, there really is no rush.
Speaker 1: And now with the draft coming up, I would anticipate
Speaker 1: people waiting until after the draft to see what that
Speaker 1: draft you know, has brought in that position, to see
Speaker 1: where they're lining up now after the draft, with the
Speaker 1: positions they're able to accumulate, and then they'll revisit it.
Speaker 1: The same teams that are interested in him now are
Speaker 1: going to be interested in him after the draft. Interesting answering, Jim.
Speaker 1: I want to go to you on this because someone
Speaker 1: brought this point up to me and I didn't know it,
Speaker 1: largely because the Titans have not been in line for
Speaker 1: a compensatory pick in quite some time. But if you
Speaker 1: sign a free agent after the draft, he does not
Speaker 1: count towards the compensatory formula. So whatever you've done, whatever
Speaker 1: you've lost and gained as of the draft, that determines
Speaker 1: your compensatory formula for twenty twenty one. How much of
Speaker 1: it do you think are teams right now saying let's
Speaker 1: wait till after the draft because we want to make
Speaker 1: sure we get as mini picks next year as possible.
Speaker 1: Certainly a factor, and I've heard people speculate that being
Speaker 1: potentially the reason that Titans are waiting, that if you
Speaker 1: wait sign them after the draft, then you're gonna get
Speaker 1: a third round pick for Jack Conslin leaving. I don't
Speaker 1: know that you that teams are necessarily doing it because that, yes,
Speaker 1: it would be an advantagement to play that game. Then
Speaker 1: you're certainly putting yourself in a position to have somebody
Speaker 1: else jump out and get them. So I think you
Speaker 1: you know, you've got a factor in like like coach
Speaker 1: Mike said, as hell, and the questions are around what
Speaker 1: he would do as far as a physical as concerned
Speaker 1: the money part of him. And you mentioned the big
Speaker 1: Man being on the market, Well, the big Man wants
Speaker 1: a big, a big contract as well. And he initially
Speaker 1: said he was going to play for twenty million a year.
Speaker 1: You know he's now said maybe seventeen to eighteen million.
Speaker 1: I'm working on my most recent mailback. Somebody's asking me
Speaker 1: about whether he potentially play for a one year proven
Speaker 1: deal for twelve to fourteen million. That's up to Jadeveon
Speaker 1: Clowney and I don't know whether he's willing to do
Speaker 1: that or not. So you've got a lot of factors
Speaker 1: to have to consider. And I think when you mentioned
Speaker 1: Clowney and some of the things that's around him, and
Speaker 1: there's one other free agents that played for the Titans
Speaker 1: last year, Logan Ryan finds himself in a similar situation
Speaker 1: that you know you money as a factor. Hell, it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily a factor, was Logan. Money's a factor and
Speaker 1: the danger that some of these players will be faced
Speaker 1: with if if the team that's interested in them right
Speaker 1: now decides to pick somebody in that draft and and
Speaker 1: addresses it with multiple picks of that position, you're probably
Speaker 1: going to lose someone who is courting you at the time.
Speaker 1: So a lot of things to factor in in the
Speaker 1: compensatory pick is a good question, certainly a part of
Speaker 1: the equation. Speaking of staying in Amy Wells, you've started
Speaker 1: doing a new feature for the Titans social media channels,
Speaker 1: checking in with Amy Wells, where you've spent time checking
Speaker 1: in with former and current Tennessee Titans players. As you
Speaker 1: have recorded these and as you've talked to these guys
Speaker 1: who are having to stay at home, both former players
Speaker 1: and current players. Is there a common thread that you're
Speaker 1: hearing amongst all of them. Well, it's interesting everybody is
Speaker 1: trying to stay in and just take it one day
Speaker 1: at a time. But with current players specifically, every single
Speaker 1: guy has talked about getting back to the basics in
Speaker 1: terms of keeping their bodies ready for what will happen
Speaker 1: when we eventually are able to return to our training facility.
Speaker 1: Guys are doing a lot of like pushups and sit
Speaker 1: ups and things that a lot of guys have SA
Speaker 1: I haven't done this stuff since high school, you know.
Speaker 1: I talked to Rashaun Evans and he was like, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm getting ready for the state championship game
Speaker 1: now instead of getting ready for the super Bowl. But
Speaker 1: these are the types of things that they're doing. They're
Speaker 1: really getting back to their roots, I guess when it
Speaker 1: comes to training, And it's been really interesting because we
Speaker 1: know that teams are trying to keep up their kind
Speaker 1: of routine training plans that they have for individual guys,
Speaker 1: but a lot of guys are just ditching the equipment
Speaker 1: and ditching some of the things that they've gotten used
Speaker 1: to as NFL players and are just really going back
Speaker 1: to like rocky style workouts. So that's been cool to
Speaker 1: hear guys really taking it, like back to the garage
Speaker 1: to get their bodies ready for the season. Coach back
Speaker 1: a lot of what is being discussed right now with
Speaker 1: the virtual offseason. I think a quarter of the team
Speaker 1: started this week, the rest will start next week, and
Speaker 1: we'll be able to go three straight weeks. From your
Speaker 1: understanding what you're hearing, what will they be able to
Speaker 1: get done during the virtual offseason that they're going to
Speaker 1: get a chance to start having. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: think you'll have the big team meetings because that's a
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, to to to put onto
Speaker 1: to one screen at one time. But I think that
Speaker 1: when they break it down to their individual groups, both
Speaker 1: defensively and offensively, and then down to the subsets of
Speaker 1: the of the position rooms, you can get your installation in. Virtually,
Speaker 1: that will be no problem. You can get that in.
Speaker 1: You can get feedback, you know, just like we're getting
Speaker 1: feedback from one another right here. Visually you can do it,
Speaker 1: and so they will be able to they will be
Speaker 1: able to get you know, all of their all of
Speaker 1: their installation in, you know, once they start, once they
Speaker 1: are able to start doing that. I liked what Mike
Speaker 1: Vrabel said he has has told his coaches they've met
Speaker 1: as a coaching staff about keeping it basic to begin with,
Speaker 1: because that's going to be extremely extremely important to get
Speaker 1: everybody back on the same page. You've got to get
Speaker 1: into the football mindset. That's what's the great thing. When
Speaker 1: they all come back together in the facilities like they
Speaker 1: normally do, you know, you leave all of the offseason
Speaker 1: thought process behind you, and then you're back into the
Speaker 1: NFL team concept. Well, now they're going to have to
Speaker 1: translate that team concept virtually, and he wants them to
Speaker 1: get back into that mindset and that mode first, but
Speaker 1: you're going to be able to do it. I spoke
Speaker 1: with a college coach about the way the NC Double
Speaker 1: A is doing it. The NC Double A started out
Speaker 1: just allowing their coaches four hours a day with their players.
Speaker 1: They're upping it to eight hours next week, okay, And
Speaker 1: so clearly you can get something done, and they will
Speaker 1: get something done. The Titans will be very organized. I
Speaker 1: do know that I want to mention right now that
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Speaker 1: That is fabulous. You are the face of Farm Bureau
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Speaker 1: the face, but I'm a big fan, it's coach back.
Speaker 1: Are you doing yours from the Oval office or from
Speaker 1: maybe a room at the Biltmore Hotel. It's just the
Speaker 1: spare room in a Snashville. That's where I'll invite you.
Speaker 1: I'll invite you to this room sometime. Jim. That's where
Speaker 1: he plays clue with his friends. So and so it's
Speaker 1: a kid pick in Coach Max's fancy room. Looks like
Speaker 1: they filmed the movie Knives Out. Maybe in that room.
Speaker 1: There you go, Jim Wyatt, do you believe? And then
Speaker 1: Amy Wells you get to go next, followed by Coach Mack.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that former Alabama quarterback to tongue of
Speaker 1: Aloa is falling towards Thursday night based on health concerns?
Speaker 1: It's funny this draft, there's so much floating out there,
Speaker 1: just like every draft. I suspect it's true, just because
Speaker 1: of the injury questions that he had coming out of college,
Speaker 1: and then you heard more rumors about some other injuries
Speaker 1: he had that were never disclosed. The teams have not
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to do as much research and get
Speaker 1: as much medical information on him as normal. So I
Speaker 1: believe that that is in fact true. I think he
Speaker 1: is sliding in this draft. I agree. I think that
Speaker 1: not being able to get hands on with some of
Speaker 1: these guys, and especially someone who had such a big
Speaker 1: injury that had so many questions around it, I think
Speaker 1: that teams are going to play it safe. If you
Speaker 1: were hot on him to begin with, you're still hot
Speaker 1: on him. Okay, if you were cold on him right now,
Speaker 1: you're cold on him. Because people knew going in that
Speaker 1: he was injured. I mean, you knew this now. Jim's
Speaker 1: point as far as to not being able, I tell
Speaker 1: you who did get to see him. Every doctor of
Speaker 1: every team saw him at the combine. Every doctor of
Speaker 1: every team saw him at the combine. And if they didn't,
Speaker 1: they have all the combine information. So if you, as
Speaker 1: an organization need a quarterback and you were a too
Speaker 1: A fan going into the twenty twenty draft, you're still
Speaker 1: a too A fan. If you were on the fence,
Speaker 1: you're probably leaning to the other side of the fence
Speaker 1: right now. But I don't think it's a I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a It's a real dramatic fall though. Do
Speaker 1: you think he gets by the Chargers coach mac at
Speaker 1: number six? I think he gets by the Chargers. Wow.
Speaker 1: To me, if there's any movement in this first round,
Speaker 1: this movement is going to be for quarterbacks. The movement
Speaker 1: always is for quarterbacks. You heard John Robinson. He's already
Speaker 1: started talking the drafts I was involved in with clubs,
Speaker 1: you know, before you know I started doing this. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're you've already been on the phone for quite a
Speaker 1: while and you're talking to people, You're texting people saying, hey,
Speaker 1: you know you got time to talk about this? Does
Speaker 1: this interest you? So I think he'll get past them,
Speaker 1: Yes I do. I'm not so sure the Chargers will
Speaker 1: be there. Wow. Well that's strong, all right. So let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, and you start with this, coach,
Speaker 1: Why why in the world are the New York Giants
Speaker 1: talking to Oregon quarterback Justin Herbert. Do you know Dave Getleman.
Speaker 1: I don't. Okay, Look, Dave has been at this a
Speaker 1: long time. And and you talk about guys that are
Speaker 1: old school, that are that are running drafts. He's probably
Speaker 1: as old school as it gets. You used to do
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, very very important to do.
Speaker 1: Just exactly for the reason that you asked the question.
Speaker 1: He's got everybody else asking why are they talking to
Speaker 1: him right now? He's got everybody else asking that question,
Speaker 1: not focusing on who they may pick, or he might
Speaker 1: be fishing for somebody to come up to get him,
Speaker 1: thinking if I want Herbert, i'd better move if he's
Speaker 1: truly disinterested in it. All right, Jim White, I got
Speaker 1: one for you. Jacksonville supposedly has Yannique Ingockway, the defensive
Speaker 1: end who signed a franchise contract, and Leonard Fournette on
Speaker 1: the trading block. Do they deal one or both this weekend?
Speaker 1: I think the deal both. Well, there's some bad blood,
Speaker 1: you know, bruin even more within Gockway on Twitter earlier
Speaker 1: this week got into a few little war of words
Speaker 1: with the owner's son which got pretty ugly and got
Speaker 1: pretty personal, and I don't know if you can repair
Speaker 1: that one, to be honest with you. And then the Fournette,
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine, Ryan o' holleran, who now covers
Speaker 1: the Broncos that you know, previously covered the Jaguars, you know,
Speaker 1: made a point over the weekend usually when the Jaguars
Speaker 1: start floating players out there as far as trade bade
Speaker 1: that they're done with them, and the fact that he
Speaker 1: is being mentioned as somebody that they are willing to move,
Speaker 1: tells me that they're moving them. So I say both
Speaker 1: of them are going to be on the move at
Speaker 1: some point before the two twenty season, whether it happens
Speaker 1: during the draft, after the draft, but before the season starts.
Speaker 1: I think I'll be surprised if I see either one
Speaker 1: of them playing against the Tennessee Titans as a Jaguar.
Speaker 1: Just anybody happy to be a Jaguar right now? Doug
Speaker 1: maron how many players have tried to get out of
Speaker 1: there lately? I mean, I'm serious. I mean, you think
Speaker 1: about it. The biggest news you hear out of Jacksonville
Speaker 1: and this whole lost season is who wants to leave?
Speaker 1: That's not good. I say, send them to the NFC.
Speaker 1: Good ridden I mean, they've got two number one picks.
Speaker 1: Jacksonville has nine and twenty. You wouldn't think they could
Speaker 1: get a number one for four NET because running backs
Speaker 1: generally don't go for that kind of market when they're traded.
Speaker 1: But what do you think they could get for fourg NET?
Speaker 1: And what do you think in Gokwai could bring? Well?
Speaker 1: I don't think they'll get a first round pick for
Speaker 1: anybody just because they've already floated it out there that
Speaker 1: they want to move them. And so that tells you
Speaker 1: that you know they're going to be available somehow to
Speaker 1: me during the draft. To Jim Wiatt's point, if somebody
Speaker 1: really needs, you know, somebody to rush the passer badly,
Speaker 1: and they and they're they're out, their pass rush board
Speaker 1: is dry, they may say, okay, we will give you
Speaker 1: to me. If they're traded. They may not be traded
Speaker 1: for this year's draft, they may be traded for futures.
Speaker 1: And so I think there's a possibility that they will
Speaker 1: both be moved during the draft because, especially on the
Speaker 1: second day, second and third days of the draft, you
Speaker 1: as a club kind of have an idea now how
Speaker 1: your your roster is fleshing out. And so if somebody says, look,
Speaker 1: we're really void, here, here's what we can do. Here's
Speaker 1: what we'll give you, Here's what we have left in
Speaker 1: this draft. Here's what we've got possibly left for next year.
Speaker 1: That's what I think will happen. All right, let me
Speaker 1: go back to your here coach for this one. Washington's
Speaker 1: head coach is Ron Rivera. You coach Ron Rivera through
Speaker 1: his entire time in Chicago. You know him. Well, Washington
Speaker 1: does not have a general manager currently. Supposedly they're gonna
Speaker 1: hire one after the draft, So people figure Ron Rivera
Speaker 1: is making the picks this weekend. If that's the case,
Speaker 1: is there any way in the world any chance that
Speaker 1: he does not take Chase Young? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: You know what this reminds me of. This reminds me of,
Speaker 1: and it's it's interesting that we're talking about. You know,
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera and John Fox have got the same type
Speaker 1: of connection with it with this. When John Fox, you know,
Speaker 1: had that job down there in Carolina, he had a
Speaker 1: chance to get Julius Peppers and I off to Foxy
Speaker 1: before before that and he said, you know what, there's
Speaker 1: no way, I don't care what we need. Anybody would
Speaker 1: need this guy. And I think that's exactly what Ron
Speaker 1: Rivera will do. You can never have too many guys
Speaker 1: that have a special ability to put pressure on a quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, the sacks will come, but just to put
Speaker 1: pressure and make somebody when they're offensively game planning, say look,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to turn our line this way, or
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to chip this way. Chase Young is
Speaker 1: that dude in this draft? He is that dude. The
Speaker 1: next dude behind him is Chase On but he's not
Speaker 1: what Chase Young is. I think Ron Rivera will stick
Speaker 1: right there and take that player. All right, Jim Wyatt
Speaker 1: back to you here, and we're gonna get all three
Speaker 1: of you to comment on this. You have said, as
Speaker 1: you've gotten questions in your mailbag at Tennessee Titans dot com,
Speaker 1: that you believe the Titans will draft the best player
Speaker 1: available at number twenty nine, And you're not saying regardless
Speaker 1: of position. I know there certain positions they probably wouldn't go,
Speaker 1: but your point is they are not bound to one
Speaker 1: or two spots. Am I interpreting what you're saying correctly
Speaker 1: from what I read? Yeah, I think best player available
Speaker 1: at a position and need. And what I mean there is,
Speaker 1: if let's say a quarterback happens to fall, I don't
Speaker 1: think too a tog of the low is gonna be
Speaker 1: around at twenty nine. But if you had somebody that fell,
Speaker 1: some people might consider them the best player. But I
Speaker 1: can't see the Titans taking a quarterback. So, but what
Speaker 1: you have to consider going in this draft? And I
Speaker 1: think the Titans have so many areas that could be
Speaker 1: addressed that there's a lot on the table. And that
Speaker 1: includes defensive line, that includes cornerback, that includes offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: edge rusher, even a running back. I mean it's as
Speaker 1: crazy as that sounds. If somebody's special is sitting around
Speaker 1: and you move back and could get extra picks, I
Speaker 1: could see the team doing just about anything other than
Speaker 1: taking a quarterback, a kicker, a long snapper, an interior,
Speaker 1: a lineman. Yeah, and into your aligement. I think best
Speaker 1: player available at a position that could that could make
Speaker 1: an immediate impact. And a quarterback is not going to
Speaker 1: make an immediate impact of the Titans because they have
Speaker 1: the team has its quarterback. Amy, when you hear that,
Speaker 1: how does that strike you? Knowing what you know about
Speaker 1: John Robinson. I think that Jim summed it up perfectly.
Speaker 1: I think that pretty much anything is possible for this
Speaker 1: Titans team within reason. You know, I don't think anything
Speaker 1: bananas is going to happen. But John Robinson said it himself.
Speaker 1: He loves moving around on draft day. He loves to
Speaker 1: have all of these options. And we know John Robinson,
Speaker 1: we know that he's had all kinds of lines in
Speaker 1: the water seeing what will tub. So I think that
Speaker 1: Jim's absolutely right that there's there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: things that could be surprising to me. Anyway, come Thursday night,
Speaker 1: coach Mac. Yeah, you know, let me expand a little
Speaker 1: bit on what Jim said. Say you get to twenty nine,
Speaker 1: and believe me, John Robinson will have already talked to
Speaker 1: people before they're on the clock. You know that, we
Speaker 1: all know that. But you get down there and there
Speaker 1: is a position of need that's there that has more
Speaker 1: of those players of position and need. This is where
Speaker 1: your horizontal draft board comes into play. This is where
Speaker 1: you take your vertical draft board out of it and
Speaker 1: then you start to look at your horizontal board. And
Speaker 1: that's why it's so important because now say you're down
Speaker 1: there with a corner and you've got four corners kind
Speaker 1: of grouped in the same spot, or you get down
Speaker 1: there and there's a say and say there's an offensive
Speaker 1: tackle and you've got tackles kind of in the same
Speaker 1: spot group for the next round, and you start talking
Speaker 1: to trade partners that would be within the range that
Speaker 1: you think some of those may be that could help
Speaker 1: you get a player similar that you have graded very
Speaker 1: similar and then pick up extra picks. That's the way
Speaker 1: I think he will go. I don't think he's going
Speaker 1: to zero in on one person. I think once he's
Speaker 1: to twenty nine, he will zero in on his horizontal
Speaker 1: board and zero in on pods of players and positions,
Speaker 1: because when you pod players up, you compare them not
Speaker 1: only to the players that are in that position, but
Speaker 1: that are horizontally across the board in the different positions
Speaker 1: are in the same pod. All right, So let me
Speaker 1: stay with you for a second, Coach, and I want
Speaker 1: to go back across to Jim next and then to Amy.
Speaker 1: If you had to rank the odds of what the
Speaker 1: Titans are most likely to do in the hours leading
Speaker 1: up to the draft, would trading back be the number
Speaker 1: one on that list in terms of the most likely scenario,
Speaker 1: Coach Mac In my mind, yes, Jim Wyatt, I agree,
Speaker 1: But it really just depends on who's there. Because if
Speaker 1: you've got a cluster of players that you like, and
Speaker 1: you can move back and assure yourself that you're going
Speaker 1: to get one of them in a position to move
Speaker 1: back to, that that makes a lot of sense to me. Amy,
Speaker 1: I think that's number one for me. Okay, I want
Speaker 1: to do something else, Jim, Why does something at Tennessee
Speaker 1: Titans dot Com that I just love? I love your
Speaker 1: look at the mock drafts, fifty of them this week.
Speaker 1: Usually when you do them, you have the majority of
Speaker 1: the people taking the same position, the same player. They're
Speaker 1: they're all over the place and the leading this year's draft.
Speaker 1: All right, so we're gonna play the game. Surprised if
Speaker 1: they take him, or not surprised if the scenario happens, Amy, Jim, Then, coach,
Speaker 1: all you have to do is no, it's fun. All
Speaker 1: you have to do a surprise that the Titans took
Speaker 1: this player or not surprised? You ready? Sure? All right?
Speaker 1: Marlon Davidson defensive lineman, Albert not surprised, not surprised, not surprised.
Speaker 1: Isaiah Wilson offensive tackled Georgia, not surprised, surprised, surprise. Trevon
Speaker 1: Diggs cornerback, Alabama. Not surprised, not surprised, not surprised. Brandon
Speaker 1: I you wide receiver, Arizona State. Surprise surprised, AH coach
Speaker 1: Mack coach Mac, I love Brandon. I I know that's
Speaker 1: the game coach, not surprised. He says Justin Jefferson, wide receiver,
Speaker 1: Louisiana State University. Surprise as they surprised, not surprised. Ezra Cleveland,
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, Boise State, not surprised, not surprised That one
Speaker 1: does not surprise me. These are ones again, what the
Speaker 1: game is here on the OTP is I'm mentioning guys
Speaker 1: who have been put with the Titans mock drafts, and
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing out the names. I'm asking our panel,
Speaker 1: would you be surprised if they end up with the
Speaker 1: Titans or not surprised? The next name Josh Jones, offensive tackle, Houston,
Speaker 1: not surprised, surprised, surprised. Austin Jackson, offensive tackle, Southern California
Speaker 1: coach Max seems very strongly nodding here, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: and not surprised. Amy loves this game. I don't love
Speaker 1: this game. I would say, not surprised, not surprised. Ross
Speaker 1: Blacklock defensive line at TCU bro not surprised, I think,
Speaker 1: not surprised, not surprised. You Tour Gross Mottoes defensive line,
Speaker 1: edge player, Penn State. Surprised, not surprised, not surprised. Kristen Fulton, cornerback,
Speaker 1: LSU surprised, not surprised, not surprised on that one. Zach
Speaker 1: Bawn edge rusher, Wisconsin. Not surprised, not surprised, surprised. Jeff
Speaker 1: Gladne cornerback TCU brog not surprised, not surprised, it was
Speaker 1: a frog. Not surprised. Jeremy chan safety Southern Illinois. Surprise, surprised, surprised,
Speaker 1: but nice name. Yes, these have all been mentioned as
Speaker 1: Titans and mock drafts that Jim had at Tennessee Titans
Speaker 1: dot Com. Aj epinessa outside linebacker, defensive and iowas not surprised.
Speaker 1: That surprised me a little. Jalen Johnson cornerback Utah, not surprised,
Speaker 1: I stay surprised. That would surprise me. Andrew Thomas, offensive tackle, Georgia,
Speaker 1: not surprised. I stay surprised. Yeah, I'm not surprised. Be
Speaker 1: surprised if he's there, wouldn't you from what we're reading.
Speaker 1: A lot of these names, A lot of these names.
Speaker 1: I like this game though, all right, it's a good game.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Jonathan Taylor, running back, Wisconsin. I would be surprised,
Speaker 1: I say surprised. You know Swift was in there before
Speaker 1: and he got replaced by one of the guys doing
Speaker 1: the mock drafts. I think a running back would surprise me.
Speaker 1: It will be a nice weapon I have. You only
Speaker 1: have one pick, Jim surprised Terrell Lewis outside linebacker Alabama.
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised, not surprised, surprised. Denzel MEM's wide receiver Baylor.
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised, surprised, surprised. That's twenty different names mentioned
Speaker 1: with the Titans in the mock drafts. That's why the
Speaker 1: draft is so great. I mean it really is because
Speaker 1: there are thirty two different rooms. Now, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of more different rooms than that. If there's thirty two
Speaker 1: different decision makers, and that is why this is such
Speaker 1: a great exercise. But I love doing that exercise and
Speaker 1: the biggest reason I love doing it is watching Amy
Speaker 1: Wells's face. It's so worth it to me. It's a trait.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. Coachmack, do you have a favorite layer,
Speaker 1: regardless of round in this draft? A favorite football player?
Speaker 1: Just a favorite? Yeah? Just somebody you just like. Man,
Speaker 1: I just love this guy. I love the way he plays.
Speaker 1: It's not doesn't matter which round. I just enjoyed. I
Speaker 1: just enjoyed watching him play ball. A Meek Robertson from
Speaker 1: louisi Antitech. Oh is he? Is? He the next honey Badger?
Speaker 1: That guy? I tell you what you know for DB's
Speaker 1: being able to stay in phase, then being able to
Speaker 1: be competitive at the catch point, and then just have
Speaker 1: a dog mentality to you. I love the way this
Speaker 1: kid plays. It's so much fun to watch him play.
Speaker 1: And I don't. I mean, he's five eight, a buck
Speaker 1: eighty five maybe, but that dude plays ball. I love
Speaker 1: watching guys that love to play ball. He loves to
Speaker 1: play ball. Fourteen picks in three years playing down There,
Speaker 1: had a chance to go to LSU at the end
Speaker 1: of his recruiting process and said nope, I'm gonna stick
Speaker 1: with my commitment to Louisiana Tech and then became all
Speaker 1: world there. Mike Detailia, who is best friends with ed Oseron,
Speaker 1: best friends since childhood, literally there it is with his
Speaker 1: Mike D Guide. Here's mine, my Mike B guide right here. Amy,
Speaker 1: you didn't get one, I've got it. Yeah, Mike has mine.
Speaker 1: Mike Detailia says it's ed Oseron's biggest mistake since he
Speaker 1: became head coach at LSU in terms of recruiting a
Speaker 1: Meek Roberts. Wow, that's a that's a great that's a
Speaker 1: great story right there. Would you watch him play? If
Speaker 1: you like watching ball, watch bess kid play football. I'd
Speaker 1: love to coach that kid. My favorite player and I
Speaker 1: have an SEC biased I admitted, but Clyde Edwards, a
Speaker 1: layer from Lsu is mine. I think the guy is
Speaker 1: just a ball player. I know he's five seven. This
Speaker 1: is the year of short backs too. I mean Swift
Speaker 1: is five eight and they're a bunch of number five
Speaker 1: nine McFarland I think from Maryland is five eight. But
Speaker 1: I love Edward Zilaire. I like his fierceness. I like
Speaker 1: how he runs inside. He's got a little Emmett Smith
Speaker 1: to him. Does it seem like he should get through
Speaker 1: holes that he does? He can catch the ball. I
Speaker 1: love this player gets in the end zone. I think
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna steal him on day two, Jim, do you
Speaker 1: have a favorite player. I have an SEC boss too.
Speaker 1: I've met Jerry Judy. I just like the way he plays.
Speaker 1: I like his speed. I like his ability just to
Speaker 1: kind of glode almost and still race past defenders. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be a special pro. All right, Amy Wells,
Speaker 1: you can't say somebody from Missouri. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: you know I will. But here's my thing. My chance
Speaker 1: to evaluate this crop of players has been taken from
Speaker 1: me because the pre draft desits have all been moved
Speaker 1: for virtual and that is where I falla So, and
Speaker 1: let's tell everybody. Amy gets to interview players free draft visits,
Speaker 1: and so she gets to know them, and she always has.
Speaker 1: She always has her views based on not only the tape,
Speaker 1: spending time with coach Matt getting the feelings from that,
Speaker 1: but you get to know. I get to know them,
Speaker 1: and I get to have conversations with them, and so
Speaker 1: I didn't get very many this year. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to have to just pick Justin mad A Bouquet mad
Speaker 1: A Bouquet out of Texas, A and M. I've enjoyed
Speaker 1: watching him. I've had a chance to watch a little
Speaker 1: bit of his tape and some of the things that
Speaker 1: he does, and holy smoked, he is a big dude.
Speaker 1: So that's my favorite player that I'm rooting for. And
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind if he was a Titan. You know
Speaker 1: who has been training him getting ready for the draft.
Speaker 1: Former Titan defensive lineman. Who Sean Smith. Well, there you go,
Speaker 1: see part of the family already. Where does Matta Bouk
Speaker 1: go in this draft? Dave McGinnis, He'll be in the
Speaker 1: second round. He will be in the top third of
Speaker 1: the second round. It's a good looking player, good player,
Speaker 1: and he just he plays consistent. Nice pick Amy. I
Speaker 1: mean that that kid likes to play ball too. All right,
Speaker 1: I got one more for you, coach before we go,
Speaker 1: and that is the post draft scramble for the undrafted.
Speaker 1: And for those of you who have never seen it,
Speaker 1: the four of us have had the chance to see it.
Speaker 1: Coach Mack has obviously lived it. The other three have
Speaker 1: witnessed it. You have people running throughout your building with phones,
Speaker 1: going into different rooms doing recruiting, talking to players, talking
Speaker 1: to agents, trying to gather this class together. It would
Speaker 1: seem like the undrafteds are even more important in this
Speaker 1: draft because you're not gonna know as much about your
Speaker 1: back end guys, the guys with questions, big questions, probably
Speaker 1: aren't going to get drafted. You may be able to
Speaker 1: get a better player in the undrafteds than you can
Speaker 1: on Day three. That being said, how are they gonna
Speaker 1: handle this? How are teams gonna handle this without everybody
Speaker 1: together in the same building. Let me give you a
Speaker 1: little landside on the what goes on most of all,
Speaker 1: you start to you start to put this group together early,
Speaker 1: and you lean on your area scouts hard. And what
Speaker 1: you do is you assign an area scout with a
Speaker 1: position to the position coach, and so you're the secondary coach.
Speaker 1: I'm the area scout. I'm assigned to all the free
Speaker 1: agent dbs. I've got all their numbers, I've got their agents,
Speaker 1: I've got everything. And then I come to you this
Speaker 1: is prior to the draft, saying, look, if this is this,
Speaker 1: is this is this, and you categorize them ABC or D.
Speaker 1: You categorize them for those four categories for three reasons.
Speaker 1: The first is for want. The second time, the reason
Speaker 1: you do is for the money you're going to spend,
Speaker 1: because you've got a finite amount of money that you
Speaker 1: can spend on these free agents. Each club has the
Speaker 1: same finite amount of money. So if you go out
Speaker 1: and you give twenty thousand dollars to one, well, then
Speaker 1: that means you're not going to be able to give
Speaker 1: as much to another one. So once this starts and
Speaker 1: once you get around that sixth round. How good a
Speaker 1: job your assistant coaches and your area scouts have done
Speaker 1: prior to the draft of staying in touch with these guys,
Speaker 1: and you never call them and say, hey, look, when
Speaker 1: you're not drafted. You don't ever say that. What you
Speaker 1: do say is, look, we really like you as a player.
Speaker 1: Good luck in the draft. God bless you. You know,
Speaker 1: if it comes up and we have a chance, maybe
Speaker 1: something will work out. If not, and just say you're
Speaker 1: not drafted, we'd love to get a chance to be
Speaker 1: able to talk to you because you would be a
Speaker 1: great fit for what we're doing here. You go through
Speaker 1: who all you have on your roster, everything at that position.
Speaker 1: You'll try to involve the position coach. Sometimes if it's
Speaker 1: a real high priority free agent. Look, this thing is.
Speaker 1: This thing is organized chaos. It really really is. It's
Speaker 1: a lot like the floor of the stock exchange. Right,
Speaker 1: some guys over here saying I got so and so
Speaker 1: how much did you give him ten grand? Okay, we've
Speaker 1: got this much less. Look I've already offered him ten.
Speaker 1: You can't right out of money take that away. It's
Speaker 1: it's a pretty amazing process. I loved it. It's the
Speaker 1: wild West. Is exactly the wild West, and it's really
Speaker 1: gonna be the wild West with everybody not in this,
Speaker 1: you know, with people not able to run down the
Speaker 1: hall and say, guy says he'll take two grand more,
Speaker 1: he'll come if we'll give him two grand more. And
Speaker 1: you know whoever says, yeah, we'll sign off on that. Now,
Speaker 1: who do you call? You hit it? This is going
Speaker 1: to be interesting, you know, just to knowe if cel Rocado,
Speaker 1: who I really love, God bless THEO, talk to me
Speaker 1: more about scouting than I could ever Ever, I can
Speaker 1: never pay CEO back for what he did for me.
Speaker 1: When he was going after free agents. CEO had no boundaries.
Speaker 1: CEO would offer guys so much money and come in,
Speaker 1: I got him. How much you offer him twelve? Ceo,
Speaker 1: we don't have that much. Now we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: So he would just go. CEO had no boundaries. You
Speaker 1: finally had to say CEO, and it couldn't be anybody.
Speaker 1: Couldn't be anybody but Floyd or Jeff Fisher. Finally have CEO,
Speaker 1: you're done free agents. You know what he did with
Speaker 1: Brad Castle, Remember that what he did with Brad Castle.
Speaker 1: Tell the story. I mean Brad Castle from North Texas
Speaker 1: that played for you know, played for me. I love
Speaker 1: Brad Castle. One of the toughest dudes I've ever coached
Speaker 1: in my life. Just real country, tough, all right. Love
Speaker 1: the dude. Okay, but you know, we were trying to
Speaker 1: get him. And I mean, and Brad Castle couldn't run
Speaker 1: out of sight in a day. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he couldn't. But he made a lot of tackles at
Speaker 1: North Texas. CEO loved it. Texas kid, tough kid, and
Speaker 1: so CEO We're trying to get him. And some said,
Speaker 1: well what did he run? Don't worry about what he ran? Well, well,
Speaker 1: you know, and so Floyd's trying to help see go
Speaker 1: out and and enhance Brad Castle's profile. I said, well
Speaker 1: does he long snap? Yeah, he's a good long snapper.
Speaker 1: All right. We signed him as a free agent, bring
Speaker 1: him in about the second day out of liar said Brad,
Speaker 1: come on that here snap and Castle goes, why he said, nap,
Speaker 1: didn't you? He said, never snapped in my life. He said,
Speaker 1: did you snap in high school? No? Hell no? So see, Okada,
Speaker 1: he was a quarterback at high school. He did's what
Speaker 1: he's seeing. Because I was a quarterback at high school.
Speaker 1: I didn't long snap, you know what. He was a
Speaker 1: good player. Oh so is right, I'll Brad Bradcastle is well,
Speaker 1: he's in my top ten just just because he's Bradcastle.
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. But Broadcastle had a an
Speaker 1: interception in the season finality against the Lions, I guess
Speaker 1: in two thousand food and nineteen tackles. And so we're
Speaker 1: reviewing the film, thanks Jim, what another coach mac story?
Speaker 1: And so we're reviewing the film with Jim Schwartz. At
Speaker 1: the end of the season. All right, we finished on
Speaker 1: a high note. We really finished pretty strong. That team
Speaker 1: wasn't very good that year. Yeah, it cost ourselves the
Speaker 1: number two pick in the draft by winning that last game.
Speaker 1: Ended up with pac Man Jones. Yeah, that's really it
Speaker 1: was really great. Thanks for winning that, coach, Well, that's
Speaker 1: another story. Anyway, we're watching the film as a defense,
Speaker 1: you know, with with Jim Schwartz, and we're watching and
Speaker 1: watching and watching, and of course I've already graded Castle's
Speaker 1: film night before and I take it in. I said, Schwartzen,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe the game Castle head the nineteen tackles.
Speaker 1: I mean everyone documented, so we're watching it, watching it,
Speaker 1: and so the players when we were watching the tape
Speaker 1: the last day in there as a defensive team, they
Speaker 1: start cheering for Castle every tackle that he makes. And
Speaker 1: Keith Bullock was a huge Castle fan. And so at
Speaker 1: the end of the meeting, everybody jumps up and starts cheering.
Speaker 1: They carry Brad Castle on their shoulders out of the
Speaker 1: defensive meeting room. Amy, I wish you could have known Bradcastle.
Speaker 1: There has never been another Titan quite like him. I
Speaker 1: would say. For what Jim Washburn was as a coach,
Speaker 1: and I love Jim Washburn, Bradcastle was as a player.
Speaker 1: Two old school outlaws. Oh a nice analogy that coach, Michael.
Speaker 1: You probably got some insight, more insight on how Brad
Speaker 1: Castle towards Achilles. I think it a barbecue on the
Speaker 1: fourth of July. He was down there with all those
Speaker 1: other Yahoo's that he grew up with. It was the
Speaker 1: fourth of July. It was on a homemade sement picnic bench,
Speaker 1: so you can imagine what that was, okay, And after
Speaker 1: about seventy eight beers, he said, on the edge of
Speaker 1: that thing, okay, and it tipped and the whole cement
Speaker 1: block of the seat came down and severed as a
Speaker 1: killings okay. Oh, it was a family nick with quotation
Speaker 1: marks around family. He came into training camp and tried
Speaker 1: to hide the Achilles for about three days. I was
Speaker 1: doing my individual drills, I said, Castle, have you worked
Speaker 1: out one inch this summer? I said, what is wrong
Speaker 1: with you? Because he wasn't the fastest dude anyway, but
Speaker 1: I mean he was slower than smoke off snow going
Speaker 1: through those drills. I mean it was amazing. And so finally,
Speaker 1: you know, we got him in there to Brad Brown
Speaker 1: and they looked at him, Oh my oh man. When
Speaker 1: he went in to talk to Jeff Fisher, it was amazing.
Speaker 1: But he played with that, did he? Oh he tried, Mike,
Speaker 1: he had he had to get it fixed. He tried
Speaker 1: early on. But it was I know exactly the story.
Speaker 1: I lived it. Yes, And you didn't even ask about
Speaker 1: the story about him getting a fight one night on
Speaker 1: the caravan either. That's another whole first story. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. They didn't tell me about that for a year.
Speaker 1: They hid that from me for a year. He went
Speaker 1: to an establishment and uh, I mean these were you know,
Speaker 1: this a long time ago before before these where you
Speaker 1: could have the you know, you could take a lot
Speaker 1: of pictures. Oh man, what was Bradcastle's running mate name
Speaker 1: that we brought in Cody? What was Cody's Cody Spencer?
Speaker 1: He was another one too, well, the Wrench. We brought
Speaker 1: the Wrench in with him and they had been running mates.
Speaker 1: Brad Castle was was the Cody Spencer's the Wrench's mentor
Speaker 1: at North Texas. They knew the North Texas Police Department
Speaker 1: and Bail my first name. Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: This is why you listen to the Official Titans podcast,
Speaker 1: presented by Farm Bureau Health Plans. This is why right here,
Speaker 1: if you listen to nothing else, the Bradcastle stories are
Speaker 1: worth it. And Jim Wyatt, thanks for egging it on.
Speaker 1: I need to see coach Mark and a robe smoking
Speaker 1: a pipe in that. Oh hello, Jim Watt at Tennessee
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Speaker 1: media at Titans Amy Amie coach back. We're getting ready
Speaker 1: for big work on Titans Radio. We're gonna do the
Speaker 1: entire first round on Thursday night. Our coverage begins at
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Speaker 1: and third round on Friday night. Our coverage starts at
Speaker 1: six o'clock Central time. Are you ready? I'm so excited
Speaker 1: about this. I'm so excited about this. I'm just sad
Speaker 1: when we turn this off and I can't see y'all anymore. Well,
Speaker 1: I know it's been It's been so great to be
Speaker 1: with you guys again. And thank you for the Bradcastle stories.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I would love to have Bradcastle on an
Speaker 1: edition of the OTP. I don't know that we could
Speaker 1: air it, but I would tape it. Do you have
Speaker 1: any Matt Castle stories by I think Matt Matt Castle
Speaker 1: another great guy. But I'd say those stories are pretty tame.
Speaker 1: Those stories are diametrically different. Yes, I would say they're
Speaker 1: very They're very different. They would involve Chuck E. Cheese
Speaker 1: and his children and his wife, lots of happy things.
Speaker 1: He's a good guy though, funny guy too, all right,
Speaker 1: So for Coach Dave McGinnis, for Jim Wife, for Amy Wells,
Speaker 1: for Brad Castle, my kids, thanks for being with us.
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