WEBVTT - How Internet Censorship Works 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.960 Welcome to you Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:12.200 Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:15.240 Josh Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant's Stuff you Should 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:19.440 Know with Jerry. Depending where you are in the world, 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.319 you may not be hearing this right now. Yeah, I've 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:26.079 heard tell that we are banned in China. I don't 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:30.040 know that that's true. I bet it's true. We're not 0:00:30.080 --> 0:00:34.360 FETs in first Yeah, but well we'll get that. I'll 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.760 bet you couldn't find our Chinese pollution Sniffer episode though. Well, 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.280 that's what I'm saying about. There are certain things um 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.360 or the one child policy episode. I bet you couldn't 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.879 find that, which, by the way, probably banded China. It's 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:49.400 a little weird that we didn't even mention that episode 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:54.680 in the zero population episode. Did we not? Not only 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:57.440 did we not mention that episode, apparently we didn't even 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:02.200 mention China's one child policy at all. I thought it. 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.080 It doesn't seem like us. Actually, it seems exactly like us. 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.880 You know what I did though public service announcement. I 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.320 said it was okay for poisonous spiders to bite your dog, 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.880 And that's not true. I don't know where I got that. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.360 I definitely didn't make it up like I read it, 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:21.840 and I couldn't find it and it's wrong. So um, 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:23.680 it is not good for your animals to get bitten 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.399 by poisonous spiders, and of all people, for me to 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:31.080 say that I was shamed. Okay, that's right. I just 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:33.000 want to correct that up front, because I think that's good. 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.680 That's as long as you correct yourself when you find 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:38.039 out like, that's great. Chu. Yeah, it just bothered me 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:39.720 that I couldn't find out where I did it and 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.760 people just thought I was just free wheeling. You know, 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:46.200 it doesn't matter. Uh, So Okay, you feel better now 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:49.640 you got that off your chest. Are you ready to 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.800 talk about in a censorship in all of its vicious, pernicious, 0:01:53.840 --> 0:02:00.160 nefarious forms. Okay, let's do it. So um. In researching 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.559 this article, fine article by John Strickland, hosts of tech Stuff, 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.000 who has probably covered this eight ways from Sunday. So 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.800 if this floats your boat, go check out tech Stuff 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:15.440 as the podcast. It's good stuff and it's tech stuff. Um. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:20.200 The I found that I knew most of this stuff already, 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.040 but I also found in doing like external research that 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:28.480 he followed pretty much the standard of explaining censorship on 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.720 the Internet, and that it takes a number of different forms, 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:36.200 but ultimately its goal is the same. It's just restricting 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.320 access to information, whether that information be in the form 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:46.440 of a neuty picture or a picture or an essay 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.760 that is that controverts some sort of official policy of 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.680 a government. Um, there's all sorts of different ways that 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.079 you can restrict access to information, and we've been doing 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.360 it for a very very very long time. Like this 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.919 is nothing new. It's just censorship in a new form 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:06.640 in a new medium. That's right, because I mean we 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:11.360 did when I book Banning pretty old way form of censorship, 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.960 the m p a A. That was another censorship episode. 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.160 And so now that we have the Internet, there's this 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:23.480 big struggle over just how much access should people be allowed. 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.760 And a lot of people say unfettered, total access to 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.399 everything all the time. Everyone should have. If you don't 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.560 want your kids looking at stuff, buy a web filter, 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.560 do it yourself. But it's not the role of anybody 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:43.240 else besides parents specifically with their children, to fetter access 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.560 on the Internet. And I kind of agree with that. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:49.520 Well yeah, well, and it's apparent like I wouldn't want 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:53.800 to leave that to someone else anyway, you know. Point 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.400 like I think a parent should decide when and where 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:01.720 their kids discover certain things, just have that in their control, 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.640 you know. So I get that part of it for sure. Um, 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:06.400 so I guess we should go ahead and start there. 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.920 That is One form of Internet censorship is apparent saying 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.320 I've seen the web. I know it's on that thing. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.800 It gets kind of dark, it gets super dark, like 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.960 by accident sometimes you know, like you've typed the wrong 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:26.040 thing in in Google images before and been shocked at 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.720 what you found. Imagine like havn then like a ten 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.560 year old kids seeing that kind of thing. Yeah, no, 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.320 good no, And you can't stand over your kid and 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.880 put your hand over their eyes or hand over their 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.240 ears or anything like that all the time. So there's 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.600 software for this kind of thing. Yeah, And again I 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.320 don't think it's about like raising your child in a 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.480 bubble where they think that the world is roses and rainbows. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:49.279 But um, as apparent, you probably want to be in 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.680 control of what kind of disturbing images they see at 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:56.400 what age, you know. So Yeah, there's things, uh CYBERsitter. Um, 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:00.960 there's programs called net nanny and uh right, Now, what 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.720 they do is, um, they have a series of options, 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.800 generally that you can select as a parent on what 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:10.279 sites that your child can access, and then those options 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.360 till the program to enable certain filters. Then all of 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.800 a sudden, your kids goes to type and YouTube and um, 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.280 a big frownie face pops up like a crying baby's face. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:23.280 Shame on you. What did you want to do on YouTube? 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.640 Your man? Um, So what you're talking about is a 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.800 web filter program. Yeah, it's a software add on, right, 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.039 and um. Web filters use one of two techniques to 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:37.000 censor the Internet. Right. They use blacklists, which is a 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:41.159 list of specific domain names that you are not allowed 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:46.840 to access keywords um. And then there's also well no, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.600 that's different. That's the other one is keywords. Okay, So 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:54.200 a blacklist is like, um, how stuff works dot Com? 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.840 Yea on the list, and so if your kid tries 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:58.479 to go to how stuff works dot com or any 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:01.320 of its subdomains, it's gonna be blocked. Yeah, those are 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.760 the filter options that I was talking about, but with 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.080 the keyword yeah, it's a different type of filter option 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:12.840 where um, there's keywords, Uh that if when, when the 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:17.159 kid tries to go to a website this um. The 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.440 web filter scans the page to see if there's any 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:22.599 of these keywords, and if there are, then it'll block 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.480 that site. Yeah, because those keywords are what are put 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.800 there so you can find those things. Like if you 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.000 see the keyword to like some porn video, it'll have 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.720 a whole list of words describing what you're seeing. And 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.320 so if you have those keywords, um, it'll it'll root 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.800 it out. And so you can't go because that site 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:47.000 said I had the keyword ejaculate. It's probably once. It's funny. 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:48.440 I meant to tell you when we did the male 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:52.280 Puberty UM episode. I went onto the computer, the public 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.840 computer at the clubhouse. UM, and my clubhouse, right, why 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.240 don't you do that? It's a print. I don't have 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.599 a printer at home. You still don't have a printer. No, 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.640 that's a good printer at the clubhouse. There's a big 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:05.760 difference between printer at home and like a good printer 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.239 and the clubhouse printer. This printer is a good printer. 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.880 You know what they say, club can't beat the clubhouse printer. Right. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:12.960 But I tried to go on and it was like, no, 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.760 you can't. You can't open this web page really because 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:18.520 it was had I'm sure it was erection is what 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.920 blocked it. And it said Josh Clark and unit can't 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.920 go on to read about male puberty. Uh. But then 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.480 I tried it again, I refreshed and it was like okay, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.120 and it let me on. So it wasn't the best 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:34.640 web filter ever. But and you didn't get a strongly lettered, 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.240 uh worded letter shoved under your door that night, not 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.640 that night. All right, that's good. So yeah, blocking out 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.560 these keywords, um these blacklist keyword blocking, that's a It's 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:50.400 a great way to filter out nefarious websites. There's also firewalls, 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:52.920 and I've been trying to get to the bottom of 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.360 the difference between a firewall and a web filter. I 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:58.640 heard you in Strickland talking about it earlier. Oh yeah, 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.120 you had to ask that the pro Yeah, and uh yeah, 0:08:02.200 --> 0:08:04.360 it's pretty cool. I can go to the author of 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:06.640 the article and ask Yeah. I almost went down there 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.520 and I was like, Josh, I'll tell me. So. A 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:15.120 firewall basically protects the computer or the local network from 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:19.560 the rest of the Internet, not just websites, but um 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:26.080 internet relay chats like instant messaging, uh, email, all that stuff. 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:28.720 It protects it and it says you can come through, 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.160 you can come through, but you can't come through, and 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.880 protects from viruses and malware and attacks and that kind 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.240 of stuff, whereas a web filter is um it more 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.400 says you can't go onto these things, so they still 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:48.240 exist like technically on your computer. Right, is that the difference, 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:53.800 like the firewall is further upstream. No, no, am I 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:59.080 misunderstanding it. It's it's actually the nuances is difficult to understand. 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.440 If you go and type been difference between firewall and 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.800 web filter, it doesn't bring up a lot of stuff, 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.920 and this stuff that does bring up, it's it's kind 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.079 of hard to understand. So basically, the firewall protects your 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.040 entire computer or network from the rest of the Internet. 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:17.120 A web filter restricts access from your computer to the 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.559 rest of the Internet. It's almost directional difference going out 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:22.040 or coming in. We don't have to bring him in 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.000 here doing I'm gonna go kid, no, no, it'll be 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:29.199 like the necronomic episode all over again. So um. One 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.760 of the problems with web filtering software that opponents like 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.840 to harp on is that they don't. Um, it's just 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.840 like keywords and things. They can't talk about context and 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.719 filtering context. So you might not be able to get 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:46.200 a recipe for chicken breast because as we're breast in it, um, 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.880 which you know, I guess if your kid let's cook 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:54.160 chicken breasts, he's out of luck, right, you know, because 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.719 it's only like the network, it's just for the kid, right, 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.600 Like they have to log on and that enacts the software. 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:04.839 It's probably on all the time. And then if you're 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:06.640 the parent, you can be like, uh, no, I need 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:11.000 this chicken brest recipe, right, or you're you have it 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.400 on the one computer that your kid uses and you 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.640 trust them to not use your philip frog, your filthy computer. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:23.400 You know. Uh, it's got flies buzzing around. That's um, 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.840 that's the home version. When you're just trying to protect 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.360 your kiddies from seeing the darkness that is the web. 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.880 A lot of people can't argue with that. Um. There's 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:39.000 also business censorship, which we don't have really here because 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.520 we have to research all kinds of things. Part of 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.960 our job is to be on social media. But um, 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:45.720 if you work for a big corporation, you may not 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:47.920 even be able to get on Facebook at work. Well, 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.400 from what I could tell, Facebook is probably the most 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:54.000 censored website on the entire Internet. Yeah, I believe that. Um, 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:57.839 like far and away, Yeah, there's like, uh, there was 0:10:57.880 --> 0:10:59.839 this list from I think it was like two thousand 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.200 leaven which is just totally out of date for this 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:07.040 kind of stuff. Sure, but Facebook was like four and 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.920 the rest of them. I think the next one was 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:13.880 maybe my Space or something like that, and like ten 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.719 of all businesses banned that or something. So like far 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.040 and away, Facebook is the most banned, which makes sense 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:24.280 because it's a time suck. Yes it is. And if 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.720 you if your job has nothing to do with social 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:29.680 there's no reason for you to be on Facebook for 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:34.160 any reason whatsoever. Now they really didn't um and uh, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.199 since we're talking about Facebook. For the followers of stuff 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:41.160 you should know who are listeners to this show, I 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:45.120 apologize for all the non listeners that have invaded our 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.160 Facebook page. Oh what happened every there? Well, we just 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.920 we really grew a ton remember on that like one 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.439 year span, and I don't know how, but we got 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:56.520 blasted out and a lot of people who have no 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.199 idea who we are that we even have a podcast. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:01.880 Just started following the page. I guess it's like, oh, 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.880 this is interesting things, you know? And just follow the feed? 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.440 And are they a lot of fun to have on 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.720 their jerks man And you can spot him a mile 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:11.640 away because the stuff you should know. Army is well 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:16.000 known to be very understanding, smart, compassionate, forward thinking people, 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:20.000 and these people are trolls. And it really stinks because 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.760 I have to heavily moderate it now and I used to. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:26.160 It just used to be a fun place for open 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.520 minded people to exchange ideas in a respectful way. And 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.920 it's just not like that anymore. No, shut that one 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.560 down and start over. No, you shouldn't shut it down. 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.240 But I was talking with someone on one of our 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.160 fans on Facebook the other day because they were commenting 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.480 about that, and I said, I wish there was a 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.440 brief quiz you had to pass um in order to 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.960 like like this page, like where Josh and Chuck what's 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.960 the largest manufacturer of tires in the world? Now even easier, 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:56.200 like what's a podcast? Because they be they throw up 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:01.120 some meme that says like you you know, yeah, anyway, 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:02.920 I just want to throw that in there. I'm sorry 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:07.520 for people have had a bad experience there lately. That 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.679 is why our fans are so nice to us, because 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.760 stuff like that we care. Um. So anyway, it's a 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:18.000 big time suck emphasis on suck. Uh. And so that's 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.440 the reason they shut it down the others to avoid harassment, 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:24.840 which makes sense. Um, your co worker might bring up 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:28.000 a porn image. Uh, you know, some dude might say, 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.439 who took this out? Hostile work environment? Hostile work environment, 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.960 and a company cannot risk that at all because they'll 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.760 get sued, sued, sued, And so the easiest thing to 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.199 do is just to shut it down. YEA restrict access. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.280 Restrict access. So that makes sense in a way. It does. 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.640 And if you want to know more about your employer 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.760 governing your work computer, yeah, you go check out our 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.000 episode is your employer Spying on you? That was a 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.680 good one. It was a good one. Um. We're gonna 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:16.040 keep going right after this, so chuck, We've we've covered 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:20.840 parents censoring the Internet for their kids, employers censoring the 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:25.080 Internet for their employees. Kind of difficult to argue with 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.840 either one of those, especially if the employer is censoring 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.440 the Internet for their employees work computer. That the employer 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.000 provided during work hours. It's tough to it's tough to 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.680 be like, no, it's wrong, it's wrong. But again, we're 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.240 coming from a place where we have like basically unrestricted 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.480 access to the Internet, so it might suck to work 0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:50.400 under those draconian measures of stuff. We look up you know, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:57.360 it's drawn some lists made for um the third censorship, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.480 the third level, I guess is much greater. And this 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.440 is the one where people really start to go berserk. 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.720 And I think rightfully so. And that's government control. Government 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:11.440 censorship of the Internet. And pretty much every country that 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:15.000 allows access to the Internet, which is basically every country 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:20.720 these days. Um, there's some level of censorship to some degree. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.720 Some are much worse than others, but basically, all governments, 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:30.120 in one way, shape or form censor what there citizens 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:34.440 can access on the Internet. Yeah, and um, even before that, 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.560 like search engines themselves sensor because if like Google and 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:42.520 Yahoo didn't censor anything, the search results you would get 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:48.840 would just be no good, it would be like something. Yeah, 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.280 so they do their own censorship. But that's um. As 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.560 far as the government goes. Uh, there's something called the 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.080 Open Net Initiative. Oh and I and they're an organization 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:02.400 that UM. Their dedication is to inform the public about 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:04.960 web filtering and surveillance around the world. I want to 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:09.160 dedicate this to the UH. And they have four categories 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:13.800 of UM web filtering. Political, which is when you, let's say, 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.560 you want to speak out against your leaders and your 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.680 country may not allow that. You know, if you have 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.760 a blog, they may censor your blog. UH. Yeah, there's 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:27.320 a pretty good UM example of this recently in China 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:31.800 and India. They both followed the same trajectory but two 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:36.120 different ends. UM. In China there was a documentary about 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:40.640 Chinese pollution called Under the Dome. It went viral and 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.800 like it got two hundred million views in the first 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.360 day or something like that, and it was government approved. 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.680 The documentary was right, but it took off, and UM 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:53.479 the Chinese government took it down and they did so successfully, 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.280 Like you couldn't find that anywhere in China after that. 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.160 India there was a documentary around the same time that 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:05.960 was about that very infamous UM public transportation rape case UM, 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.080 and it went viral and got a ton of us too, 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.760 and it also got people talking in India about this 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.800 again and UM the government tried to take that down, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.600 but in a very clumsy manner, and it was very 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:23.879 ineffective as well. But both both both governments tried to 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:25.680 do the same thing. There was something that was going on, 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.600 it was stirring up the populace, and they tried to 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:32.600 center it by taking down a restricting restricting access to it. Yeah, 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:34.520 and the China one, to me is just crazy because, 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:37.199 like I said, it was government approved, the documentary was, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.040 so they didn't even have a problem with the documentary. 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:44.560 But in China they will censor things. They will censor 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.520 anything that seems likely to spur any kind of activism 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.160 at all. Right, Well, there was a study that UM 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:55.000 found that a post if you have a couple of 0:17:55.000 --> 0:18:00.280 posts that are say, critical to the government, but one 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.480 so both are critical of the government, but one of 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:08.520 them advocates collective action like getting people rolled up, like 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.679 let's go meet in Tianamen Square or something like that, 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.240 that's the one that's gonna get taken down. So they're 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:18.120 they're really concerned not necessarily just with criticism, but more 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:23.639 so about um fomenting popular unrest. And China gets picked 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.920 on all the time, and and rightfully so. They probably 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:32.720 are the world's most prolific censor at least biggest because 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.400 of the size of their population and the measures they take. 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.960 They they have what's called the Great Firewall of China. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.040 But I think especially in countries in Western democracies, it's 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.640 a bit of a red herring because it's kind of like, God, 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.400 look at what China is doing, Look at how much 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.600 it really kind of detracts from the censorship that goes 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:54.600 on here in the United States and other Western democracies. Um, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.280 that's just as pernicious, if not worse, because this is 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.600 taking place in what's supposed to be an open, liberal democracy. 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.760 Yeah you know, Yeah, you're right, But it is kind 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.480 of easy to pick on China. Well, of course it is. Um. 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:10.600 They also will There was a post in two thousand 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:14.280 eleven that, um, there was a rumor that salt could 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:20.560 stave off radiation poisoning from the Fukushima reactor, and China 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.639 quash that because people were going out and buying a 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.040 bunch of salt. I remember that. So again, Um, they 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.960 just squashed that because people are buying up too much salt, 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:34.359 because it would supposedly pack your thyroids so full that 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:38.560 your thyroid couldn't absorb the radiation. That was why Yeah, 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:43.000 and it basically just bounced off. If you're famous in China, 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.800 you're going to be heavily scrutinized, so you gotta watch 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:51.800 what you post and if you're way away, oh yeah, yeah, 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.199 that's a good point. Um. And then the thing I 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:59.080 saw said that like small time users and bloggers that 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:02.640 that complain about the government, it's not like, uh, such 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:06.080 a police state that they'll like take down all of that. Um, 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:08.760 if you have some influence, you're much more likely going 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.680 to be censored. You know, like if you're not getting 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:13.879 a ton of web hits and you're speaking out about 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.560 the leadership, then uh, the you probably will just go unnoticed, 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.919 you know. So that was the open net initiatives. That 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.240 was just one of the four political Um. The next 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.639 one is social and that's web pages that are have 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:32.160 to do with like drugs, gambling, sex, poor and all 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:36.560 that stuff. UM that's very frequently censored. For example, like 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:41.159 in um a lot of Muslim countries. Iran supposedly is 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:44.520 working on what they're calling a Halal Internet, which is 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:49.320 very much sanitized version of the Internet with all of 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:54.240 that that stuff. The social censorship being enacted um, and 0:20:54.560 --> 0:21:00.480 from what I understand, Iran is not so. Uh. I 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.560 don't know if am business is the word or deluded 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:07.560 maybe that they're thinking they can replace the actual Internet 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:11.280 in Iran. I think their ultimate goal, of what outsiders 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.959 are thinking. Uh, their ultimate goal is to create like 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:17.080 a side by side Internet. Yeah. Like, here's the Halal 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:22.720 version that any like any practicing Muslim can can access 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.920 and feel good about. Here's the other one that um 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:30.680 is connected to the rest of the world economically and informationally. Yeah, 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.040 and that was um you sent in this great article 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:37.359 web censorship colon the Net is closing in wherein the 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.960 writer basically proposes that this is the future of the 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.119 Internet is a bunch of separate internets. Yeah, it was um. 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:51.520 Eric Schmidt from Google his bff Jared Cohen wrote it. Yeah. Yeah, 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:53.960 and they basically envisioned a future where there isn't a 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:57.360 worldwide Web so much as there is a Russian Internet, 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:01.280 an American Internet, a Halal Internet. And uh, it used 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:02.719 to be I didn't even know this. There was an 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:06.400 English only language standard for a while, but um, that's 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.840 all changing now. Uh. And now you have internationalized domain 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:13.520 names that uh, you know, like they can have a 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:18.639 Sunni only Internet that they can read in their language 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:22.960 and their characters, and UM has no English whatsoever. So 0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:25.439 where are people going to go? If they speak that language, 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.240 They're going to go to that internet, right, And Eric 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:32.080 Schmidt foresees this time when the UM the Internet very 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.479 much resembles the world. So if you want to go 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:37.400 on to another country's website, you're gonna need some sort 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:42.080 of virtual passports something like that. It's super interesting, UM. 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:43.639 And you may have to pay a fee to go 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.120 on there, and you're gonna be subject to that country's 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:50.040 rules and laws and regulations, just like you would if 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.359 you were traveling physically to that country. UM. And that 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:58.120 all of this is going to arise from censorship from 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:01.399 this society saying we value you this, and we find 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:07.080 this evil, UM, some government saying this challenges our official stance, 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:09.080 so we have to have that taken out. So all 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:15.080 of these competing different international interests UM will ultimately fracture. 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:18.440 The Internet will will still be interconnected, but it will 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:23.879 be compartmentalized. Yeah. He even envisioned the future where someone 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:28.280 would have to seek Internet asylum, which was I don't know, man, 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:30.680 it's just it's crazy. He I mean, he basically says 0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:35.560 this is already underway, uh in some in some former fashion. 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.000 So where it goes, we'll see. Oh yeah, definitely is 0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:42.199 He was saying. The ultimate outcome of this will be 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:47.000 when some government or some country can figure out an 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:51.679 alternate to the domain naming system, which is the directory 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:55.000