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Speaker 1: Welcome to you Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant's Stuff you Should

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Speaker 1: Know with Jerry. Depending where you are in the world,

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Speaker 1: you may not be hearing this right now. Yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: heard tell that we are banned in China. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that that's true. I bet it's true. We're not

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Speaker 1: FETs in first Yeah, but well we'll get that. I'll

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Speaker 1: bet you couldn't find our Chinese pollution Sniffer episode though. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying about. There are certain things um

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Speaker 1: or the one child policy episode. I bet you couldn't

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Speaker 1: find that, which, by the way, probably banded China. It's

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Speaker 1: a little weird that we didn't even mention that episode

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Speaker 1: in the zero population episode. Did we not? Not only

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Speaker 1: did we not mention that episode, apparently we didn't even

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Speaker 1: mention China's one child policy at all. I thought it.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like us. Actually, it seems exactly like us.

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Speaker 1: You know what I did though public service announcement. I

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Speaker 1: said it was okay for poisonous spiders to bite your dog,

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Speaker 1: And that's not true. I don't know where I got that.

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Speaker 1: I definitely didn't make it up like I read it,

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Speaker 1: and I couldn't find it and it's wrong. So um,

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Speaker 1: it is not good for your animals to get bitten

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Speaker 1: by poisonous spiders, and of all people, for me to

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Speaker 1: say that I was shamed. Okay, that's right. I just

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Speaker 1: want to correct that up front, because I think that's good.

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Speaker 1: That's as long as you correct yourself when you find

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Speaker 1: out like, that's great. Chu. Yeah, it just bothered me

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Speaker 1: that I couldn't find out where I did it and

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Speaker 1: people just thought I was just free wheeling. You know,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Uh, So Okay, you feel better now

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Speaker 1: you got that off your chest. Are you ready to

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Speaker 1: talk about in a censorship in all of its vicious, pernicious,

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Speaker 1: nefarious forms. Okay, let's do it. So um. In researching

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Speaker 1: this article, fine article by John Strickland, hosts of tech Stuff,

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Speaker 1: who has probably covered this eight ways from Sunday. So

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Speaker 1: if this floats your boat, go check out tech Stuff

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Speaker 1: as the podcast. It's good stuff and it's tech stuff. Um.

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Speaker 1: The I found that I knew most of this stuff already,

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Speaker 1: but I also found in doing like external research that

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Speaker 1: he followed pretty much the standard of explaining censorship on

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Speaker 1: the Internet, and that it takes a number of different forms,

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Speaker 1: but ultimately its goal is the same. It's just restricting

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Speaker 1: access to information, whether that information be in the form

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Speaker 1: of a neuty picture or a picture or an essay

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Speaker 1: that is that controverts some sort of official policy of

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Speaker 1: a government. Um, there's all sorts of different ways that

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Speaker 1: you can restrict access to information, and we've been doing

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Speaker 1: it for a very very very long time. Like this

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Speaker 1: is nothing new. It's just censorship in a new form

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Speaker 1: in a new medium. That's right, because I mean we

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Speaker 1: did when I book Banning pretty old way form of censorship,

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Speaker 1: the m p a A. That was another censorship episode.

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Speaker 1: And so now that we have the Internet, there's this

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Speaker 1: big struggle over just how much access should people be allowed.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people say unfettered, total access to

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Speaker 1: everything all the time. Everyone should have. If you don't

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Speaker 1: want your kids looking at stuff, buy a web filter,

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Speaker 1: do it yourself. But it's not the role of anybody

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Speaker 1: else besides parents specifically with their children, to fetter access

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Speaker 1: on the Internet. And I kind of agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, well, and it's apparent like I wouldn't want

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Speaker 1: like I think a parent should decide when and where

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Speaker 1: you know. So I get that part of it for sure. Um,

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Speaker 1: That is One form of Internet censorship is apparent saying

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Speaker 1: I've seen the web. I know it's on that thing.

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Speaker 1: It gets kind of dark, it gets super dark, like

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Speaker 1: by accident sometimes you know, like you've typed the wrong

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Speaker 1: thing in in Google images before and been shocked at

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Speaker 1: what you found. Imagine like havn then like a ten

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Speaker 1: year old kids seeing that kind of thing. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: good no, And you can't stand over your kid and

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Speaker 1: software for this kind of thing. Yeah, And again I

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Speaker 1: But um, as apparent, you probably want to be in

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Speaker 1: what age, you know. So Yeah, there's things, uh CYBERsitter. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's programs called net nanny and uh right, Now, what

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Speaker 1: they do is, um, they have a series of options,

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Speaker 1: till the program to enable certain filters. Then all of

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Speaker 1: Shame on you. What did you want to do on YouTube?

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Speaker 1: Your man? Um, So what you're talking about is a

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Speaker 1: web filter program. Yeah, it's a software add on, right,

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Speaker 1: and um. Web filters use one of two techniques to

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Speaker 1: censor the Internet. Right. They use blacklists, which is a

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Speaker 1: list of specific domain names that you are not allowed

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Speaker 1: that's different. That's the other one is keywords. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: a blacklist is like, um, how stuff works dot Com?

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Speaker 1: Yea on the list, and so if your kid tries

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Speaker 1: to go to how stuff works dot com or any

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Speaker 1: the filter options that I was talking about, but with

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Speaker 1: where um, there's keywords, Uh that if when, when the

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Speaker 1: a whole list of words describing what you're seeing. And

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Speaker 1: said I had the keyword ejaculate. It's probably once. It's funny.

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Speaker 1: You know what they say, club can't beat the clubhouse printer. Right.

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Speaker 1: But I tried to go on and it was like, no,

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Speaker 1: web filter ever. But and you didn't get a strongly lettered,

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Speaker 1: these keywords, um these blacklist keyword blocking, that's a It's

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Speaker 1: and I was like, Josh, I'll tell me. So. A

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Speaker 1: like the firewall is further upstream. No, no, am I

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Speaker 1: Like they have to log on and that enacts the software.

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Speaker 1: Facebook page. Oh what happened every there? Well, we just

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Speaker 1: we really grew a ton remember on that like one

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Speaker 1: uh it reads like this, Belarus, China, Cuba, which have

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Speaker 1: some more stuff on Cuba, Iran, um Minimar, Me and

426
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Speaker 1: mar Me and mar What I say, Minimar Minimar Apparently

427
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: they've gotten a lot better, Um Burma has well, they

428
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Speaker 1: opened up big time their society. Yeah, in September two

429
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 1: thousand eleven is when they really like made a bunch

430
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Speaker 1: of big reforms and um. But the problem there is

431
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: only one percent of the country our internet users to

432
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Speaker 1: begin with. Well, supposedly those people that do use the

433
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Speaker 1: Internet are have um screenshots taken of what their computer

434
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: use every couple of minutes by government sensors. Yeah. I

435
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: think that a lot of that's changing now though. Great

436
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: since two thousand eleven, UM, a few more Saudi Arabia,

437
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: North Korea, Avi, Syria, Tunisia, Turkmenistan, Vietnam, and Uzbekistan. That's

438
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: where you're gonna find a lot of censorship going on.

439
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: And Cuba is really interesting. Um. They used to not

440
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: have private internet at all, Like you had to go

441
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: to an internet cafe, government run internet cafe and everything

442
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: was monitored, cameras in there. Even Um. Apparently Cuba is

443
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Speaker 1: even coming into the New World a little bit because

444
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: now five percent of Cubans have home access. UM. But

445
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: it is slow. Yes, this one writer went there and

446
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: he said it took him an hour to upload a

447
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: thirty megabyte image. Um, that took like five seconds at

448
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: home on Google Drive. So they don't have broadband obviously.

449
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: Now when that embargo gets lifted, there's no telling how

450
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: fast things are going to change there. Well, the U

451
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: S and the U N are already working with them

452
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: to try and improve their internet in their internet access.

453
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: But um, as a nation, they rank a DW five

454
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Speaker 1: out of one in telecom development. So um, they're uh.

455
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: The nice way to say it is there behind the curve,

456
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Well, that's um, that raises

457
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: a kind of a good point. You're talking about how

458
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: slow it is. You couldn't even buy a computer there

459
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: until two thousand seven, you could not purchase a computer.

460
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: Man A lie. Yeahn't crazy. Um, but with with very

461
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: slow internet, that in and of itself is considered a

462
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: form of censorship. Yeah, I guess so. So you know

463
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: this whole thing about net neutrality that was going on, Yeah,

464
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: so that deserves its own show, of course it does.

465
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Speaker 1: But let's just briefly say, with net neutrality the Telecoms UM,

466
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: the Internet service providers managed to petition the Supreme Court

467
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: basically say the f c C can treat you guys

468
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: in the same way that they you treat websites as

469
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: information services and an information services basically, it's like an

470
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Speaker 1: independent business that creates or provides content for the web. UM.

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Speaker 1: Under the Telecoms Act, the Internet service providers were what

472
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: are called common carriers and were to be treated just

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Speaker 1: like a telephone provider, which is, you have unfettered, unrestricted

474
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Speaker 1: access to the telephone lines. Yeah, not like I'm a

475
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Speaker 1: T and T. I'm gonna pay a lot for a

476
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Speaker 1: phone line that works. But this other company if they

477
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: don't pay as much you won't be able to get

478
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Speaker 1: your calls place exactly. Um. Or I'm a T and

479
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: T and I don't think you should be saying what

480
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: you're saying or talking to this person, so I'm going

481
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: to restrict your ability to call that person, right. Um.

482
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: That's what was going on with this, uh, the Supreme

483
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: Court decision, and with the idea that telecommunications companies were

484
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: anything other than common carriers. Right, So they were almost

485
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: getting to the point where they were going to be

486
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: allowed to restrict access to um throttle speeds so that

487
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: you could pay for a faster speed if you were

488
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: saying Netflix or something like that. But then a new

489
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: startup company wouldn't have that kind of money and would

490
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: be strangled in the cradle. Was was how the idea went. Well,

491
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: fortunately the idea was overturned by the SEC. The SEC

492
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: said what amounts to we're going to treat the telecoms

493
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Speaker 1: like common carriers from here on out, and that means

494
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Speaker 1: that they have to provide unrestricted access to the Internet

495
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: for everybody. And it was a really big deal. It

496
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: was very close. It was it maybe like the biggest

497
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: thing moving forward in in well clearly with like the

498
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: Internet but um, and it touches all kinds of business

499
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: and personal privacy and everything, like we need to do

500
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: a show on that. I agree in full, Yeah, that neutrality.

501
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: But the point was was that if you throttle speeds,

502
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Speaker 1: those things that load more slowly than others are going

503
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: to in effect be censored, because I mean, how long

504
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: do you sit around for a website to load before

505
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: you just close the tab and move on six or

506
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: eight minutes? What? Okay, I met six or eight nano

507
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: second and you got me. Um. So that in and

508
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: of itself, as a form of censorship that was avoided

509
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: by the SEC. Adopting this common carrier approach to the

510
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: I S P S well, would just create monopolies. People

511
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: would be squeezed out, Smaller companies would never have a chance,

512
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: true to you know. Yeah, well, I guess we should

513
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Speaker 1: talk about some of the opponents of internet censorship. UM.

514
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Speaker 1: The A c l U is a big one obviously. UM.

515
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Speaker 1: They have taken they pretty much squashed the Children's Online

516
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Speaker 1: Protection Act and its tracks. This was introduced, it was

517
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Speaker 1: actually passed the eight but it was never implemented because

518
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: it just was pounded on year after year basically, UM,

519
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: and as unconstitutional. And that was a law that made

520
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: it illegal to present materials that, um, we're deemed harmful

521
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: to minors, even if it was valid for adults. Right,

522
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: And they basically time and time again it was taken

523
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: to court and they said, no, you can't do that,

524
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: No you can't. And another one that they tried was

525
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Speaker 1: called SOPA to Stop Online Piracy Act, remember that, and

526
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: it basically said that if you even link to uh,

527
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Speaker 1: somebody that provides pirated material, your entire website can be

528
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: taken down, if you even link to that that site. Um,

529
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: and that came very close and you think, well, I mean,

530
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: what's wrong with with protecting copyrighted material? Seawan Austin's in

531
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,239
Speaker 1: favor of it, you know, Yeah, he was like the

532
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: face of that campaign for a while. Um a Gooney

533
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: right or Rudy yeah? Or he was Um was he Froda? No,

534
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: he was Sam Wise Gamgees. I think, yeah, so, um,

535
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: you had the SOPA, you had COPA, you had SIPPA,

536
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: you had all these things that we're protecting the children

537
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: or protecting intellectual copyrights. But a lot of people kind

538
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: of saw through these as smoke screens and said, ultimately,

539
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: what you're doing is creating a law that gives blanket

540
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: right to governments, to the US government, to police what

541
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: we do on the internet. You're you can you're dressing

542
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: it up to protect intellectual property rights or to protect children,

543
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: but ultimately what you're doing is setting in motion government

544
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: censorship of the Internet. And it got stopped. But it's

545
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: a from what I understand, it's a there's no resting

546
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: on your laurels kind of stuff going on, Like you're

547
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: that this fight is not going away anytime soon. Yeah,

548
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's how it always works, is that

549
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: will sell it to you as some thing that you

550
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: need and I think you should have, but what it

551
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: really is is something else. So chuck um. There's this

552
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: you win report recently, a special report that basically said

553
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: internet kill switches are a violation of human rights. Yeah

554
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: that was two days ago or yesterday. Hot breaking news,

555
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: breaking news, hot breaking news, fresh from the oven. So

556
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: an internet kill switch is kind of a misnomer because

557
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: it's not like there's a buttoner switch that any country

558
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: or government could just turn off the Internet. What you

559
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: can do is, especially say like with um cell phone providers,

560
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: it's usually self cell phone and internet access that's falling

561
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: under this. And in the United States, there is something

562
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Speaker 1: called Standard Operating Procedure three oh three s o P.

563
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: Three oh three. You might not have heard of it

564
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: because boy, it didn't have much banfare around it and

565
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: quietly passed. The Department of Homeland Security is UH fighting

566
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: tooth and nail to keep them the details of it

567
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: under wraps. Yeah, completely. But basically what happened is in

568
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Speaker 1: two thousand six, the Bush administration, and it was later

569
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: supported by the Obama administration, said the the federal government

570
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: needs to have the ability to turn off the Internet

571
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form whenever it deems an emergency. Yeah,

572
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: And the whole thing was borne out of these um

573
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: London bombings, London underground bombings. Yeah, in two thousand five,

574
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: when the subway attacks happened, we actually did this. We

575
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: threw the kill switch on in the Holland Tunnel and

576
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Speaker 1: the Lincoln Tunnel in New York on cell phones, cell

577
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Speaker 1: phone because these bombers used their cell phones to trigger

578
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: the bomb. That's right. So the problem was but that

579
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: it didn't work. No, it did, Like even the Department

580
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: of Homelands, I mean it worked. They cut him out

581
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: but the DHS even said there was disorder for both

582
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Speaker 1: governmental and private sectors at the time when the use

583
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: of communication infrastruct sure was most needed. Right. So, so

584
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: that is one very big argument against the an internet

585
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: or cellular kill switch. More chaos it does, and like

586
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: you really need to be able to get in touch

587
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: with friends, family, coordinate, absolutely to a safe place, what

588
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: have you. So to just cut out that kind of

589
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: that level of communication, that's one argument against it. Another

590
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: one is that it can be very easily used by

591
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: a government to quell um popular unrest to protest, which

592
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: happened as well in San Francisco. Yeah, with the h

593
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: at the the subway, the bart shooting of Oscar Grant

594
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: at fruit Bale station. Um, they learned in August two

595
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: thousand eleven that was going to be demonstrations going on,

596
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: so they shut off cell phone service at the subway

597
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: station so people couldn't organize. And that was, you know,

598
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: supposedly just going to be a peaceful protest, right, So

599
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: that was n dude, we're talking about that same exact

600
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: play was used by hose Ni Mubark during the popular

601
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: uprisings in Egypt. I mean, like the same exact thing.

602
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: So the upshot of this is that DHS is protecting

603
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: the secrets of s o P. Three oh three, but

604
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: it very much does exist, and the government does have

605
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: the power and the capability to turn off the Internet

606
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: in entire cities, uh, if it deems it necessary. Yeah.

607
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: And there's very important ruly coming down here in the

608
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks because in two thousand to the

609
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: Electronic Privacy Information Center follow the suit in federal court

610
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: seeking disclosure about the basic guidelines and policies of this

611
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: s o P. Three oh three, and they're gonna be

612
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: ruling on it soon. And they're not saying open the

613
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: books on everything because we want to compromise our safety.

614
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: They're saying, like what what what triggers this decision? As

615
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: one big question? Yeah, and who is who is doing this?

616
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: They're not, you know, basically right now it says that

617
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: there is um It can come from a state Homeland

618
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: Security advisor, their designies, or representatives of the d h

619
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: US Homeland Security Operations Center, nothing president or anything like that. Yeah.

620
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: And then there's a sub agency called the National Coordinating

621
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: Center for Communications and they are the ones that says

622
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: that are tasked with a series of questions to determine

623
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: if a shutdown is necessary, and like youre are these

624
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: people and what are the questions? And what are the questions?

625
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,479
Speaker 1: And again they're not saying this um while some people

626
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: are saying this should never happen in any circumstances, including

627
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: the U. But um and in the United States, it's

628
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: a prior restraint on free speech. It's as simple as that.

629
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: So it's automatically unconstitutional to do this. But the fight

630
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: right now at least is for more transparency and an

631
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: understanding of the policy at least, so we'll see where

632
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: that goes. But man, that is scary. Yeah, it is

633
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: San Francisco shutting down. I mean it sounds like China

634
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: or Egypt. Yeah, it's unbelievable. And no one knows about

635
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: this stuff much because I don't know people are on Facebook, k.

636
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah they might be where you learn about something like that.

637
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: In fairness, but plus, I would say the national media

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Speaker 1: just shameful where the popular media is. They're just laptogs

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Speaker 1: and stenographers. Is disgusting. Yeah, it's pretty pretty bad. Scene

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Speaker 1: these days. Really, it's Chuck. I'm waiting for the pendulum

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Speaker 1: to swing in the other way towards responsibility, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's happening soon. Detected sarcastic. You never know, man, Sometimes

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Speaker 1: things go bad in one direction and people wake up

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Speaker 1: and go back to Uh, it's like a farm to

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Speaker 1: table now. You know, people like trash for so long

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Speaker 1: and now it's like the complete opposite. People really care

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Speaker 1: about the food they eat and where it comes from.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's true. Do you got anything else? Internet censorship

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Speaker 1: is just like the farm to table movement. That's the takeaway.

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Speaker 1: Just make that connection, and you're John Hawkinberry. If you

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Speaker 1: want to know more about that censorship, you should type

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Speaker 1: those words into the search part house to works dot com.

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Speaker 1: You should just type those words into some search engine

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Speaker 1: somewhere and learn more about it. Absolutely, you can visit

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Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know dot com and the podcast page

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Speaker 1: for this episode, and it's got tons of links to

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Speaker 1: good stuff about this. Um And I said, search bart

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Speaker 1: in there somewhere. So it's time for listener mail. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna call this you saved the beginning of my honeymoon.

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Speaker 1: Um Gods, we're from Seattle and We just got married

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Speaker 1: a week ago. This is a man and a woman,

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Speaker 1: he said. We left right away after the wedding for

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Speaker 1: a honeymoon. Flew to Maui on a six hour flight. Boy,

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Speaker 1: that's not bad at Seattle. Huh no, that's nice. Like,

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Speaker 1: what do you gotta fly that's like ten hours twelve

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Speaker 1: it's about like twelve hour flight. One of the many

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Speaker 1: benefits of living in Seattle. My dad um So, we

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Speaker 1: it in front of us was a Russian family with

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Speaker 1: three one year old triplets. I don't know why it matters.

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Speaker 1: They were Russian. They were crying in Russian, I guess,

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Speaker 1: and he said they were very disturbing. Uh. One would

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Speaker 1: and kids didn't like being rocked, and he ended up

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Speaker 1: kicking me in the head. He said, did I get mad? No, guys,

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Speaker 1: because I was listening to you the entire flight. On

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Speaker 1: the return flight, a woman in the row in front

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Speaker 1: passengers talking politics and religion, pushing other people's seats, and

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Speaker 1: staggering to the bathroom every couple of minutes. What is

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Speaker 1: wrong with people? Wow, you're on a plane. You're not

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Speaker 1: in your home. Put your shoes on. Don't get drunk. Hey, Hey,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with taking your shoes off on a plane. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there is. You're not in your living room. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: wrong with as long as your feet stay in your

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Speaker 1: little section while your feet are you should never take

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Speaker 1: your shoes off in public. All right, that's fine, she's

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Speaker 1: a rout right now. I'm disgusted. Um again, my stress

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Speaker 1: levels at zero because I was still learning about snakes

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Speaker 1: and water slides and clowns. Other than saving my sanity,

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Speaker 1: I wanna. I think you saved several lives. Without your

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Speaker 1: common voices, I would have undoubtedly thrown the woman from

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Speaker 1: the plane halfway over the Pacific Ocean. It would have

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Speaker 1: been like the good Shepherd. What's that that Matt Damon

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Speaker 1: movie about the beginning of the CIA? Or he throws

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Speaker 1: his sons. Oh yeah, seem to be wife out of

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Speaker 1: the plane. Yeah, and that was disturbing. What's wrong on

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Speaker 1: that day? And that was disturbing. I hope you guys

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Speaker 1: realized the public service that you do. Thanks Jesse and wife.

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Speaker 1: That clown episode was one of our better ones. If

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Speaker 1: you ask me, I have it all agreed. Chills, thrills, clowns.

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Speaker 1: H uh. If you want to get in touch with

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Speaker 1: us like Jesse and uh his wife, he didn't mention

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Speaker 1: her because Jesse is selfish. Well, congrats to you guys.

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