1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm Diana and I'm Eli. We're married and we like 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: to talk, that's right. So we thought that we would 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: talk about crazy, wild or just playing fascinating partnerships, both 4 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: historical and contemporary. So welcome to Ridiculous Romance. Hey there, French, 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: come listen. Well, Eli and Diana got some stories to tell. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: There's no match making, a romantic tips. It's just about 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: ridiculous relationships, a lover. It might be any type of 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: person at all, and abstract concept at a concrete wall. 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: But if there's a story where the second glance Ridiculous 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: Romance a production of I Heart Radio. For our very 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: first episode, we thought we talked about Louis the fifteenth 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: and Madame de Pompadour, because there's very little as ridiculous 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: as the French court and the seventeen hundreds. That's right. 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: As a seriously ridiculous time. We got a little taste 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: of it on our honeymoon. We were fortunate enough to 16 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: go to Paris and we went out to Versailles. It 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: was a really exciting time. Beautiful palace, just the most 18 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: probably ridiculous place I've ever been, you know, every square 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: inches ornate portraits on portraits on portraits on portrait all 20 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: the way up to the ceiling, and everything is decorated 21 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: and it's just rich a f and we were like, oh, no, 22 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: wonder the peasants got mad. We're not here to talk 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: about Loui. Yes, we are here to talk about Louie 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: and his maybe great love of his life, Madame de Pompadour. 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: So she was born in seventy one. Her name was 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: Jean Antoinette Poissant, or as we say in English, John 27 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: Anthony Fish. A beautiful name for a beautiful girl. When 28 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: she was nine, they took her to a fortune teller 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: and they told her that she was destined to reign 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: over the heart of a king. So basically, from that 31 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: day forward she was groomed to become the mistress of 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: the next king, Louis. It's so weird. It's like it's 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: like pageant moms. Yeah, like like you're like, oh, this 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: is you know, you're my daughter, this is this is 35 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: for you. I'm doing this for you. I'm going to 36 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: spend your whole childhood training you to be the mistress 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: to the king, to be the king's side piece. That's 38 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: my goal for you. This was this was a standard 39 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: thing the mistress to the king. This was fairly typical behavior. 40 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: It was almost an established role in the French monarchy. 41 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: They was an official title. But it's like, uh, like 42 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: interning with a senator or something like, it's a political 43 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: position like which it maybe too much like in turning 44 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: with this um but anyway, but you know, at the 45 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: time for women, there wasn't a lot of avenues to 46 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: power besides that one that you had to get married 47 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: to have any place in society of your own. Um. 48 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: So anyway, it was just a chance to kind of 49 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: like elevate your family, yourself to a position of power. Yeah. 50 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: In fact, Kathleen Wellman, who was author of a book 51 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: called Queens and Mistresses of Renaissance France, she likened the 52 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: role of the royal mistress to a presidential first lady 53 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: in America. The quote is that she said, think about 54 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: the influence that first ladies have in shaping perceptions of presidencies. 55 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: Think about all the people who had to go through 56 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: Nancy Reagan to get to Ronald Reagan. This was the 57 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: comparison that she drew to the royal mistress. These women 58 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: were sort of the woman behind the man. In the 59 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: French monarchy. This was someone who had the king's ear constantly. 60 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: This is someone that the king told everything to, that 61 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: confide in uh, you know, all of his secrets. And 62 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: this was someone by his side who knew what was 63 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: going on, probably better than he did himself, because she 64 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: would also be mingling with the court more than he was. 65 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: She was out there. She probably had the most influence 66 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: on the king as to almost anyone else in court. Well, 67 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: it depends on the mistress and how they are, you 68 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: could say, especially in Louis the fifteenth court, because he, 69 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: you was married to a woman who had no political 70 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: ambitions of her own. So the queen wasn't jockeying with 71 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: a mistress for power. There was this mistress was like, 72 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: I can really make moves here because the queen doesn't 73 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: she effectively love the vacancy. So so Madam so John 74 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: Anthony fish is uh is being raised and groomed into 75 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: this position of royal mistress. And she at nineteen she 76 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: married the nephew of her guardian and he fell in 77 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: love with her. He was totally in love with her, 78 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: and she said she would only leave him for the king, 79 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: which is which is a great promise. I mean like, 80 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, if I'm if I'm her husband, that's fine 81 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: for the king. I don't have to worry about it. 82 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: Then what are they going to me? That'd be like 83 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: if I told you I'll I'll only leave you for 84 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: Emily Blunt. It's true, I would only leave you for 85 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: Emily Blunt. Say I would only leave you for Emily Blunt. 86 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: That's fair. So I think neither us would feel like wrong. 87 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: I think I'd be like, yeah, sure, that makes sense. 88 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: Call me sometimes you can have John Krasinski. Hm, that's 89 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: perfect if you insist. He's very funny. Yeah, he's a 90 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: good director. So anyway, she's married, all right. They have 91 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: a couple of kids who died. That's very tragic and sad. 92 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: Because she's married, she got to go to these political 93 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: salons and she actually started some of her own. And 94 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: they were like they were like talking parties basically, So 95 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: they would go and they would have debates about policies 96 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: or about world affairs, or they would even read poetry 97 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: or prose or like read plays to each other whatever. 98 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: It was all very and the big names of the 99 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: time we're hanging out there too, and Voltaire Montesquieu. These 100 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: were these were buddies that she got to know, and 101 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: she starts to sort of inject herself into high society, 102 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: I think through these lawns. And because she was doing 103 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: these salons um actually a couple of years before they met, 104 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: the King actually heard her name because people were talking 105 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: about about this sharp witted, very smart, very funny woman 106 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 1: that was running these political or that was whole hosting 107 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: these political get togethers or whatever. So he was already 108 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: kind of like, who's that, you know, who is swimming 109 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: them hearing about she is so smart and throws the 110 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: best parties. Oh she's friends with Voltaire. Mamma, I'm sure 111 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: that's exactly what he's it. That's an actual recording. That 112 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: was me just playing a recording. Yeah yeah, A rare 113 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: graph is not a word trip to graph. I don't know. 114 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: It feels like a not a recording anyway. So let's 115 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: go and start over with Louis the fifteenth and see 116 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: where he came from. Louis or Louis de France, who 117 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 1: was born in in teen ten. He was the youngest 118 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: of three brothers, all named Louie. Must have been difficult 119 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: when it was dinner time. Louie, come on down, or 120 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: I guess that makes it easier thinking ahead, Mrs de France. 121 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: So his older two brothers died, louise great grandfather was Louis, 122 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: but louise grandfather, his son died, Louise's father died, and 123 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: his two older brothers died, putting him in the position 124 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: of first in line for the throne, which nobody expected, 125 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: least of all him, partly because he was five years 126 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: old when he was crowned king. What a responsibility. This 127 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: is the only life he ever knew. So Louis married 128 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: a woman named Marie Leszinska. She was a Polish princess 129 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: and she was a quiet woman. The official Chateau Versai 130 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: website as a whole story about her, and it's a lot, 131 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: but basically, in summary, Louis was first engaged to the 132 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: Infanta of Spain, but she was determined to be too 133 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: young to have children. And this is something they really 134 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: wanted to happen. Yeah, because Louis was was kind of sickly, 135 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: so they were worried about the succession. They wanted an air. 136 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: He hit puberty at fifteen, so they were like, alright, 137 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: it's time for you don't want to get it on 138 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: she has not hit puberty, So moving on from her, 139 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: here's a whole list. And they had like all of 140 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: these women they were considering, but they basically went with 141 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: Marie Leszinska because she hit the three big check marks. 142 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: She was healthy, she was Catholic, Dan, and she was 143 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: old enough to have kids to Dan dang ding. So 144 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: they really wanted to get her paired up with him. 145 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: So they painted a portrait of her in such a 146 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: way that it resembled Louie's favorite portrait of his own mother, 147 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: and that was it. He was sold. He saw it 148 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: and said, this is the most beautiful woman I have 149 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: ever seen. That's a lot to unpack. But we won't. 150 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: We won't, we won't get We don't need to get 151 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: to that. But they actually did fall in love at 152 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: first sight. When they finally did meet, it was a 153 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: beautiful moment. He was faithful to her for the first 154 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: years of their marriage. Yeah, And apparently he was really 155 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: flattered because she was seven years older than him, so 156 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: he was kind of like, oh, an older woman, you know, 157 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: like he thought it was kind of hot, even though 158 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: she was famously not hot. He's fifteen, she's twenty two. 159 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: I mean when I was fifteen. If a year old 160 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: showed any interest in me, I don't care. I'm and 161 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: love for the rest of my life. That is locked in, 162 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: that is permanently imprinted in my brain. This is sort 163 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: of problematic, though, is it now? It is? Well, I'm 164 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: oh no, Yeah, the relationship itself is problematic, but him 165 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: being obsessed with the idea of that makes sense, leaving 166 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: an impert I mean, that's why it's problematic now, because 167 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: you have such an impression over a younger person when 168 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: you're twenty two. You know. So this poor boy, this 169 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: poor King of France, you know, he didn't have a chance, right. 170 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: But the thing with Marie Listeninska, she was, like I said, 171 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: a very quiet woman. She had a little anxiety around 172 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: the King. I don't think she ever really felt comfortable 173 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: near him. She never really felt like she could flirt 174 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: with him or keep him entertained. He was a real 175 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: restless guy too. She uh, she had a hard time 176 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: keeping him engaged. Yeah, she couldn't entertain him. She wasn't, like, 177 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 1: I guess, like a sparkly personality or whatever. She had 178 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: ten children for him, so she was probably constantly pregnant 179 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: or tired from being pregnant. You know, I guess she 180 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: just didn't have any game, you know what I mean. 181 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: There's this story in this book from that's called Princesses, 182 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: Ladies and Cloniers. But apparently like he was bored one 183 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: day and all she could think of for him to 184 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: do was kill some flies on a window pane. I 185 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: am so bored, Marie. What should I do today? Oh? 186 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: You could? Him accuses flies come on, Lily. So Louis 187 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: is bored and he goes to his people, his advisors, 188 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: and he says, hey, um, excuse me. He says, hey, 189 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: what if we bring bags? This all the royal mistress 190 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: position sound good? And they were basically like, sure, but 191 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: she cannot be political at all. Right. They're very nervous 192 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: about my accent was there? But it was great. It 193 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: was great. I feel like I'm back in France. So 194 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: they're they're but they're nervous. They are nervous about someone 195 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: coming in and trying to be ambitious and take power. 196 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: And I mean, we know how it is. We've seen 197 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: these royal mistresses come in before and it's a it's 198 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: who wouldn't want that position? Right? So they try to 199 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: kind of play the game a little bit. They're like, yes, 200 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: here's a great lady. You should meet. Louise Julie in 201 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: seventeen thirty three. This was his first mistress. Yeah, she 202 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: had no ambitions at all. She was not interested in 203 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: political power whatsoever. She was by all reports, pretty in 204 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: love with Louise. So she was just kind of like, 205 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: he can lead me wherever he wants me to go. 206 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm into it. So she was just really malleable, I guess. 207 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: So she was acceptable to all his advisers, and I 208 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: you know, probably pretty good looking. I guess the whole 209 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: family was good looking, because he ends up sleeping with 210 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: all three of her sisters, so they had a certain 211 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: Louis said, that's not gonna work. Okay, sorry about that. 212 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: We're gonna take a break and try to recover from 213 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: that and we will be back. Presa, welcome back, Bion 214 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: ven you. I hope that was a refreshing ad break. 215 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: That was That was nice French. Thank you. He took 216 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: four years, so I know for words, so Louis. In 217 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: seventy seven, his wife Marie Uzinska was told by her 218 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: doctors that another pregnancy could kill her. She'd had ten 219 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: kids seven of them survived, so they stopped sleeping together, 220 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: which you know is a is a pretty acceptable reason. 221 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: I think the number one reason. Apparently he got really 222 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: offended by it, though, which is ridiculous because it's not 223 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: like I've got a headache tonight. I've got a head it, 224 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, night after night after night. It's if we 225 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: sleep together, if I get pregnant, and which I very 226 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: easily could, it could kill me. That's like, that's okay, 227 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: that's a good, pretty good excuse. Yeah, So anyway, birth 228 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: control saves lives. What we're here to say, I just 229 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: know that there's other things you can do, that's true, 230 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: don't need to pregnancy. Well something. So Louise got his 231 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: first mistress and is working his way through these sisters. 232 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: When in seventeen forty four our stories finally merge, Madame 233 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: da Pompadour and Louis finally meet, and this is what. 234 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: Of course, Madame Pompadour has been literally training for her 235 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: whole life. So she was nine years old and this 236 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: is the moment. I think she totally planned every moment 237 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: of this for years, Like this meat cute was one stage. 238 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: It's in King Louis is going on a hunt like 239 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: kings do. This is probably a multi day hunt. They 240 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: all gather, they get their horses and their dogs and 241 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: their French horns, and they ride out into the woods 242 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: to bring back some dear foxes whatever they find. So yeah, 243 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: there's a book called The Hunt by Rosamond Hooper Hammersley 244 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: that that described their meeting. So basically, she lived in 245 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: a manner nearby where the king was going to be 246 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: doing his hunting with her husband, by the way, ps 247 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: still married, and she totally orchestrated this meeting. She really 248 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: wanted him to see her, so she drove directly in 249 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: front of his path, once in a pink phaeton, which 250 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: is like a fancy carriage, wearing a blue dress, and 251 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: then again in a blue phaeton wearing a pink dress. 252 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: And this is just baller, so extra incredible. I'm picturing 253 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: her going to the carriage painters with both her dresses. Right, 254 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: She's got him on a hanger in a clear plastic bag, 255 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: and she holds him up and she says, one of 256 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: these carriages matches these dress. One of these carriages mentioned 257 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: his dress. I want the color matcher from lows so 258 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: that when I flip them it blows his mind. I 259 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: believe it. I mean, he's a board King's so I 260 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: feel like a color swap is enough to grab anybody's attention. 261 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: I mean that's pretty entertaining. You have to I would 262 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: be entertained by that. Now if you were like, oh, hey, 263 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: I'm driving by in a blue Subaru wearing a pink 264 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: pink shirt. Don't don't go try and seduce the King 265 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: in a super That's true. Her Phaeton probably was a 266 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: fancy one, right, like a Lamborghini of its time, like 267 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: a Lamborage any Phaeton totally So anyway, he did totally 268 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: notice her. This absolutely worked, and he sent her some 269 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: Venizon as a gift. What a romantic gesture. It's really 270 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: just like because it throws back to how they you know, like, oh, 271 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: I was on the hunt, you rode by me in 272 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: a carriage. So I sent this box of raw meat 273 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: of what I killed. It's got to be it's gotta 274 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: be like a heart shaved box, right, but instead of chocolate, 275 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: it's just meat. Bloody. It's bloody, dear steak and cut 276 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: into the shape of a heart, so it fits in 277 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: the box really well. That's nice. I was picturing like 278 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: different little morsels, like a truffle thing, but they're all 279 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: just bloody morsels. That's really disgusting. Yeah. Yeah, either way, 280 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: great job, Louie, it worked, how creative it worked. She 281 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: was she was stricken um now at the time, though, 282 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: King Louis did have another mistress. This was one of 283 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: the four sisters, Marie and the Niness Slow are our 284 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: French listeners can call in tomorrow and scream at me 285 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: for that pronunciation. I did take five years six years 286 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: of French. It was just fifteen years ago. I took 287 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: four years, but I don't remember married about it. Terrible. 288 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: So in court she was known as Madame Chateauroux, which 289 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: what a nickname. Oh, that's Mrs Redhouse. Maybe it's like, 290 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: well she's a red Yeah. So when she died in 291 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: seventy four, that's kind of when the position of official 292 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: mistress was open again. And this is when Pompadour was 293 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: able to really make her move, which brings us to 294 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: this week's side piece. Side piece is our opportunity to 295 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: kind of talk about a character that pops up in 296 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: the story that really doesn't like have much to do 297 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: with the rome Ants necessarily, but we just found them 298 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: fascinating for whatever reason, and this time it's Madame Chateaurou, 299 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 1: because first of all, she's already the youngest of these 300 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: five sisters that Louis is working his way through one 301 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: by one, and she was the only one who didn't 302 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: really want to be his mistress, so they had to 303 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: go to some lengths to get her. She was already 304 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: seeing this like young duke and she was into him, 305 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: and she's like, no, I'm good. But the king's adviser, 306 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: the dick to Richlow, really wanted him to actually have 307 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: a more ambitious, a more political, a more manipulative mistress 308 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: so that he could push his own agenda. So he 309 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: tried everything to get her away from this duke. He 310 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: like sent him to the front lines of battle. That 311 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: didn't work, he lived, So then he hired a woman 312 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: to go seduce him. That did work, and it made 313 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: her real jealous. So she was like, okay, fine, I'll 314 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: be the King's mistress, but only if he gives me 315 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: a house, a car on my own big account, and 316 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: a balance yaga bag. I mean, basically, she said conditions. 317 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: She set conditions, and she actually didn't sleep with them 318 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: for the first couple of months. So he was just 319 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: like following her around. He was like begging her for 320 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: her time. So she was just, oh, she's playing him 321 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: hot and co. But she was actually more personally ambitious 322 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: than politically ambitious. So she didn't actually do much I 323 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: think for Rishlow No, and she made a bunch of 324 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: enemies in court. She was because she was so focused 325 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: on herself. It seems that she wasn't making friends. She 326 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: wasn't there to make friends. She was there to go 327 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: what she wanted for her She was looking at her 328 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: number one. She had so many enemies that when she died, 329 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: she was convinced that she had been poisoned because she 330 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: fell down with cramps and she was so sure that 331 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: someone had poisoned her. That's right. She was very sick, 332 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: very suddenly and died pretty quickly, and she died having 333 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: been convinced it was someone at court that poisoned her. 334 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: Most historians now say that that she just got sick. 335 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: She had a lot of other symptoms that fell in 336 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: line with illnesses of the day. But it's really a 337 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: little weird that she died after the hunt. After Jean 338 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: Antoinette Fish Jean Antoine Poisson made her presence known. I 339 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: want to pull into speculation station because I think that 340 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: pageant mom Mrs Fish poisoned her fish. You know, this 341 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: woman spent her whole life grooming her daughter and then 342 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: she gets there, finally gets to meet him, and there's 343 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: this other woman in the way. She had to go. 344 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: She's got to go. She's gone. I'm gonna push that 345 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: bitch down the stairs like in stripped Tease or or 346 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: or I forgot again. What's her name from Game of Thrones, 347 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: um Tyrrell. I wanted him to know it was me. Anyway, 348 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: That's what I think. That's our speculation. Hopefully the Poisson 349 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: estate doesn't come after us. Okay, so pulling out a 350 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: speculation station. It's set four Kingly fifteenth Mistress has just died. 351 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: She was the last of all the sisters, so there's 352 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: nobody like to that family. He's got to find somebody new. 353 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: So what does he do. He throws a party to 354 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: celebrate his son's marriage. But the poor son thinks that's 355 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: what the party is for, but it's really about finding 356 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: Louie a new side piece. So it's like a newly 357 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: divorced dad throwing a birthday party for his kid. But 358 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: he just wants to meet all the moms from the playground. Hey, hey, 359 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: invite all your little friends and you know their moms. Yeah, 360 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: you guys go playing the trampoline. That I'm going to 361 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: talk to the moms. So what Louis does is this party, 362 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: big party. It's a masquerade ball, right, yes, costume it's 363 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: costume party. And so the plan is, Louis says, uh, 364 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: me and my eight bros are all going to dress 365 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 1: up as you trees, y e w. And they are 366 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: in these elaborate you costumes. There's some drawings from the time, 367 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: and they are like full on roots and branches, groots. 368 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: It looks like groups, groots. We're walking on this party. 369 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: They come out with masks on. And the idea, of course, 370 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: is that this way Louie can flirt and no one's 371 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: going to know who he is, and he can really 372 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: get a real personality out of these women and pick 373 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: someone he really likes. But of course everybody knows what's 374 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: going on. All these ladies came with the intention of 375 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: meeting the king and being the mistress. So they go 376 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: to these trees and they all just start laying it 377 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: on thick. I'm gonna assume this tree is the king, 378 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna climate getting them branches, build a swing 379 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: and enjoy myself. Why don't you and me leave together? 380 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, but your barking ups a wrong tree. 381 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: Louie knows what he's doing. You see Jean Antoinette Poisson. 382 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: It walks right up to her, he takes his mask off. 383 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: She's dressed like Diana of the Hunt of the Goddess. 384 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: So cute little throwback to the Hunt because of the Haunt. 385 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: The Hunt is like their little thing, little meet m 386 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: e a t cute meet. Cute it was because of 387 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: the venice and then he sent her some really cute 388 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: meat in that heartboxtbox. See it is romantic, it's ridiculous. 389 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: It's basically a Hallmark movie. So he caes her and 390 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: he rips his mask off, and he declares his affection 391 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: for her at the party, and this kicks off their achievement. Yeah, 392 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: both of them just find what they want right then. 393 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: And there a little tragic Mrs fish our Paget mom 394 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 1: who definitely probably definitely killed Madame Chateaurou and did everything 395 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: to grum Er daughter to be this mistress. She tragically 396 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: died before she got to see Jean Antoinette take her 397 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: place in the court, so she didn't actually get to see, 398 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: but she knew it was going to happen, so she 399 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: probably died happy. She knew. Yeah, she's burning right because 400 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: she's a murderer multiple times. She's definitely a serial murderer. 401 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: Rely definitely probably first every single person she had to, 402 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: anyone who had gotten her way. Yes, so she was 403 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: officially a mistress. In came with the title marquis and uh, 404 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: and her court name began Madam Pompadour. You got your 405 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: own name in court once you once you became a thing, 406 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, well, that was your noble title that you 407 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: had to be given in order to be introduced at court. 408 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: So you had He had to buy her like a 409 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: the Marquis of Pompadour. So they meet, they hit it off. 410 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: The thing is they get along really well together. Madam 411 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: Pompadour was sort of the antithesis of his wife Marie. 412 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: She was very good at entertaining as she was very 413 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: outgoing and fun and flirty. She had spent all these 414 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: years learning how to throw parties and now that was 415 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: her favorite thing and she was so good at it. 416 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: Everybody loved her parties. She would throw hunts for him 417 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: because it was their thing cute, you know, anytime things 418 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: got rocky, was like, oh, let's go on a hunt again, 419 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: and you know, and then you know, the music would swell. Yeah, 420 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: just like, let's do that, bring back the magic murdering 421 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: a deer. So the other thing was that Madame Pompadour 422 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 1: was also the only person that Louis really trusted to 423 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: tell him the truth, to be honest with him. She 424 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: was a straight shooter. You know, everybody else in court 425 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: if they're talking to the king, so they're gonna talk 426 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: to him like he's the king. They're going to tell 427 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: him what they think the King wants to hear. So 428 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: he's not really getting it straight from anybody, and she 429 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: provides that for him. She's just an honest friend and 430 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: that's that's really what he needed. And they connected really 431 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: well on on pretty much every level. Yeah, and she 432 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,719 Speaker 1: got pretty influential. People started to come to her. She 433 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: was telling him not what to do, I guess, but 434 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: she was certainly pushing him, you know, in directions that 435 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: she liked. So, like in seventeen forty nine, they had 436 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: this tax that was created to finance the war basically 437 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 1: on the backs of all the poor people, and she 438 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: helped push to replace it with a tax text everyone 439 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: including all the rich people and noblemen and everyone in 440 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: the court basically, and they hated it. They did not 441 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: like that. But you know what, sorry, Yeah, she was 442 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: like the Elizabeth Warren of her time, coming in and 443 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: saying you're you're fifty million, and first Frank is all 444 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: coming back to us taking it it, s oh, I'm sorry, France. 445 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: We really like you, really like France. So so that 446 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: really it really just showed the sort of influence that 447 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: she had and that the people liked her. She even 448 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: made friends with the queen, so the queen didn't like 449 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: his mistresses, and she had not got along at all 450 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: with Madame Chateaurou. She thought she was really haughty, but 451 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: she made an effort to be really respectful to the queen, 452 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: and like she's just trying not to make her life hard. 453 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: I think makes sense to me. Madame Pompadour comes in 454 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: and says, I'm not doing this anti feminist bullshit where 455 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: women just have to hate each other because there's some 456 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,919 Speaker 1: men in between them. Like we can get along, we 457 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: can we can just be friends because we're not competing women, 458 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: even though we're literally splitting our time between the same man. 459 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: But it was different, it was arranged. Everybody was cool 460 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: with it. I mean cool enough, cool enough. They didn't 461 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: change it for a long time, so it must have 462 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: been cool enough. So I guess it was a good 463 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: thing that they were such good friends because in seventeen 464 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: fifty their sexual relationship ended. She stopped having sex with 465 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: the King. They just became friends and she was still 466 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: a trusted advisor. And apparently there's like sort of a 467 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: myth that she went and found her own replacement so 468 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: that she wouldn't have to have sex with him anymore. 469 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: But apparently there's that's not that's not actually true. She 470 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: there's like a house that he would meet women in. 471 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: It's called the Stag House. Yeahs I right, yeah yeah 472 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: again hunting reference again, I guess. Um. But she no, 473 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: she didn't really care about that at all because she 474 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: was like, I'm still in this position, I still have 475 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: my power. Everything is chill. Yeah. She actually described herself 476 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: as having a cold temperament, by which she meant that 477 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: she just kind of didn't have a libido. Yeah, and um, 478 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: she would go to doctors over these these five years 479 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: that they were having sex that talk about remedies, and 480 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: they would they gave her all these ridiculous remedies, truffles, 481 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: vanilla extract, and celery because you know, just gotting like celery. 482 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: Nothing makes me hornier, can chewing on water? Just crunchy, stringy, 483 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: like when you get stuck in your teeth and you 484 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: get pulled out like floss. Stop the podcast, all the 485 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: celery tags. Really, we're gonna get me going. We're gonna 486 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: be right back. You know, you know you have a a 487 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: fan in you know, Oh my god. You know you 488 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: burn more calories eating celery and you get from eating 489 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: it some mercy on the listeners. Sorry listeners, people are 490 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: running their cars off the road. Yeah, I would be 491 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: too to change the channel, but please don't change the channel. 492 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: And we will be right back and celery free right 493 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: after this. Okay, and we are back, and like Madame 494 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: Pompadour and King Louis, we have cooled off all the 495 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: way off, even though they're not sleeping together because I 496 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: guess the sealary didn't work. But she still is his 497 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: closest confidante in in in the court. She still has 498 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: an official position, she still has a lot of powers. 499 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: She's kind of like a prime minister sort of level 500 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: of power. She helps the Treaty of her I get 501 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: going in seventeen fifty six, which is gonna aligned France 502 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: with Austria and Russia against Britain and Prussia. And this 503 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: is going to start the Seven Years War, which is 504 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: nothing but bad news for the French. It's seven really 505 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: bad years. They lose, They lose all their colonies in 506 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: the in the New World, the Louisiana territory gone, Canadian 507 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: land gone, I think, a little chuck of Florida gone. 508 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: So And also during that time, someone tried to kill 509 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: Louis with a knife. Yeah, in seventeen fifty seven, an 510 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: assassin attempted to stab Louis. Uh didn't work. Louis made 511 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: it through. He was just fine. The assassin wasn't this 512 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: poor guy. I mean, you know, he was an attempted murderer, 513 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: but still drawn and quartered and then his body burned. 514 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: I mean, this is overkill. Wait, why do you need 515 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: It's like shooting like a dead deer. I don't I 516 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: don't understand why would you need to burn it? Awful 517 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: humans not only is this assassin drawn quartered and burned. 518 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: But his father, his wife, and his daughter were all 519 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: banished from France, and his brothers and sisters all had 520 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: to change their name. Uh So Louis is very depressed 521 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: after this assassination attempt, and things are really bad in France. 522 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: Everybody's poor, everybody's broke, things are going bad. They don't 523 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: like him. He's totally deteriorating the reputation of the crown 524 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: among the French people, which, if you know anything about 525 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: French history, about one Louis. Later, things get pretty bad, 526 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: pretty hard core, right. And his relationships, not not only 527 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: his relationship with Pompadour, although it was probably the most 528 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: important because she was the most influential, but also his 529 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: other mistresses and everything, all the sisters. It's just kind 530 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: of crumbling the public perception and even the courts trust 531 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: in and loyalty to the crown and so, and also 532 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: the policies. Everything he was trying to do to get 533 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: the monarchy to be an absolute monarchy and stop having 534 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: a parliament being in charge of things. Um, all that 535 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: just kind of worked in concerts. So his his relationships 536 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: really made a huge difference to how his life turned 537 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: out and that's the whole point and the world because 538 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: we you know, we could go into French history as 539 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: a whole other uh series, multiple episodes of a podcast, 540 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: but um, but really focusing on the relationships. It's ridiculous 541 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: because it's silly. This idea of mistress is it's ridiculous 542 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: of the royal mistress position, the royal mistress position that's 543 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: in the commissutua. Ye, it's it's probably pretty hot royal mistress. 544 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: I don't know, it sounds like great for one person. 545 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: And what's the royal mistress position. It's probably pretty vanilla 546 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: because of the Libido salary. It's it's the girls eating 547 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: celery and ignoring the man that's the royal mistress while 548 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: he deteriorates his relationship with his people. Yes, well, he 549 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: slowly shreds a paper Crown's hot. Looking at how the 550 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: royal mistress position and his relationships and his public persona, 551 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: how they perceived him due to his relationships really shaped 552 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: you know, the future of France. They found him to 553 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: be very indecisive because she could pull him in one 554 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: direction while his the rest of his court or the 555 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: rest of his family was trying to pull him in 556 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: another So he was slow to make decisions. Things are 557 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: tough during the warriors, but but Palmodore's is working to 558 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: at least try and create some jobs in the area. 559 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: She influenced the art world, Uh considerably, Yeah, she um, 560 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: she herself was an artist. She did a lot of engravings, 561 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: and she stimulated innovation in the Rococo art style. And 562 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: in uh seventeen fifty nine she actually had built and 563 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: then later bought the Seven Porcelain Factory, which became the 564 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: most famous porcelain factory in the world. And so, like 565 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: you said, created a lot of jobs and it was 566 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: in seven, France. So I think it's like a Champagne 567 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: thing where it has to like if it doesn't come 568 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,800 Speaker 1: from seve it doesn't count. Yeah, this is like seven 569 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: porcelain is its own thing. So like, oh, you know it, 570 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: it's not seven porcelain if it doesn't come from the 571 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: seven region of France. Yeah, it's just sparkling ceramic. But yeah, 572 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: so she did a lot of cool art stuff and 573 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: that was cool, um less cool. Political things like the 574 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: suppression of the Jesuits kind of a serious part of 575 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: the crumbling of the perception of the public and the 576 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 1: weakening of the church and so on and so forth. So, 577 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: but they do manage to get the Treaty of Paris 578 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: going in seventeen sixty three to end the Seven Years War. 579 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: She was a big supporter of that, obviously had the 580 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: King's ear on that one and uh, and was able 581 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: to bring that war to an end finally. Obviously they 582 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: lost a lot in the process, but she also had 583 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: supported ministers that put in some really important fiscal reforms 584 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: that did make France the richest nation in the world. 585 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: So kind of mixed bag, I guess of a legacy. 586 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 1: And sadly, just the year after the Treaty of Paris 587 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: and the Seven Years War ended, Uh, sadly, Madame Pompadour 588 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 1: died of tuberculosis, and obviously Louis is devastated. Uh, he's 589 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: really slips into a depression at this point. He's just 590 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: listening to the smiths and the cure and just having 591 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: a real bummer of a time period, bangs Eyeliner. Uh. 592 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 1: He continues to erode the public's perception of his reign, 593 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: especially and he died in seventeen seventy four pretty pretty 594 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: unliked by his people and generally setting the stage for 595 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: the French Revolution because Louis sixteenth, of course, didn't come 596 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 1: in and fix everything, made it way worse, made it 597 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: way worse. But that's for another day and another ridiculous romance. 598 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: We talked a bit about the legacy, I guess, but 599 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: you know, we would if we did a little montage afterwards, 600 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: a little like you know, Smudge lens soft focused montage 601 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: of all their ridiculous moments. You know, there there, she's 602 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: riding by in this carriage. She's getting the box of meat, 603 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: of meat. She's he's in the you tree costume. She's swinging. Yeah, 604 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: she's climbing him, she's cutting him down. She's munching on 605 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: some celery, just in the sexiest way possible possible. Is 606 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: there an unsexy way to eat celery? 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