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Speaker 1: Too Much Information was a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of Too Much Information, the

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Speaker 1: show that brings you the secret histories and little known

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Speaker 1: We are your ets of extra trivia. You're singing, fat

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Speaker 1: ladies of facts. I got nothing else your f sixteens

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Speaker 1: of facts. We could have been out at a barbecue,

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Speaker 1: but instead we were writing this. My name is Jordan

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Speaker 1: run Tagg and I'm Alex Hegel, and today we are

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Speaker 1: talking about the cinematic masterpiece Independence Day. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: this movie not just because our country celebrated its own

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Speaker 1: independence stay just a few days ago, but because this

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Speaker 1: movie rules.

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Speaker 2: It does. It's as close to jingoistic as I guess

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Speaker 2: that's very true.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but for me, this was

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Speaker 1: quite possibly the first big event Capital B, Capital E

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Speaker 1: movie that I recall, which, as we'll discuss, is accurate,

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Speaker 1: probably because there's a lot of promotional techniques that were

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Speaker 1: used for this that were fairly revolutionary.

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Speaker 2: Were you asleep during the whole well, I guess sorry.

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Speaker 2: Are you counting reissues? Are you kind of now? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, do you Jurassic Park.

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Speaker 1: This was ninety six. This was ninety six, though.

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Speaker 2: I know what I'm saying, Like Jurassic Park, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: the reissues hadn't even come out yet. I'd say maybe

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Speaker 2: I would venture a guest that something Schwarzenegger like possibly

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Speaker 2: Last Action Hero or T two or Jurassic Park would

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Speaker 2: have been bigger than this. But I do remember the

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Speaker 2: ad campaign that you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I would say, yes, all about the ad campaign that

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Speaker 1: they started seating like months before this came out, like

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Speaker 1: doing the Super Bowl, so like some almost six months

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Speaker 1: before this movie came out, And so I remember by

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Speaker 1: the time it hit theaters, people were in a frenzy

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Speaker 1: to see this. I remember my parents getting a babysitter

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Speaker 1: and making a point to go see this in theaters,

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Speaker 1: which they never did. It is probably the only thing

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, small town, Yeah, not much to do that.

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Speaker 1: I had separation anxiety, and babysitters, a hassle for all concerns.

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Speaker 1: So maybe it was that, maybe it was more me.

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Speaker 1: Maybe this is a me thing, But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: This felt more than just a blockbuster movie to me.

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Speaker 1: It felt like a real shared experience of the Barbenheimer variety. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and I I don't know. I can't really think of

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Speaker 1: anything that predates this for me.

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Speaker 2: Probably Jurassic Park.

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Speaker 1: I know you do love Jurassic Park. Was that the

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Speaker 2: No? But it had to be up there. I mean

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Speaker 2: I remember being scarred for that movie, but not even

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Speaker 2: for like the dinosaur. Well, I guess a little bit

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Speaker 2: for the dinosaur stuff, because I do have referry nightmares

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Speaker 2: about dinosaurs besieging my childhood home. But uh, it's you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's probably combined with how much I was

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Speaker 2: I always thought Godzilla was a hilarious, cuddly man in

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Speaker 1: Fight the real enemy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I ripped up a picture of a t Rex

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Speaker 2: and I went fight the real enemy. I was about

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Speaker 2: started singing zombie and it was like, no different, I

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Speaker 2: was fraud So sorry rip too both. Actually she did

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Speaker 2: nothing wrong. Yeah. I don't know, man, I think I

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Speaker 2: The Star Wars re releases were ninety seven. When did

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Speaker 2: Men in Black was ninety seven. Yeah, so Men in

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Speaker 1: So Jess Bark was ninety three. So Independence Day came

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Speaker 1: about at a fascinating time, I would say, because the

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Speaker 1: mid nineties marked a transitional moment in the American identity,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six tapped directly into that cultural moment by

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Speaker 1: offering a high stakes fantasy of restored national vigor. At

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Speaker 1: the film center was President Thomas J. Whitmore, a former

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Speaker 1: Gulf War fighter pilot who gives a movie speech for

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Speaker 1: the ages before suiting up and flying a jet into

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Speaker 1: battle against a technologically superior alien force. It was a

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Speaker 1: striking contrast to the real world image of Postcold War leadership,

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Speaker 1: less diplomacy and more dogfights. This vision of a hands

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Speaker 1: of American strength and relevance in a time of relative

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Speaker 1: peace and ambiguity. The film turned a global existential threat

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Speaker 1: by extension, American leadership, at the center of Earth salvation.

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Speaker 1: The destruction of iconic landmarks, particularly the repeated blowing up

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Speaker 1: power while also setting the stage for its triumphant resurgence

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Speaker 1: in the climax of the film. In that way, Independence

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Speaker 1: Day wasn't just science fiction. It was a kind of

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Speaker 1: national daydream, one where the US got to reassert its

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Speaker 1: dominance on a cosmic scale. But then, of course that

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Speaker 1: day dream became terrifyingly real on September eleventh, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one, when the attack on national landmarks looked more

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Speaker 1: like Hollywood special effects and reality that got dark. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: More partly though, this movie whips.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. It's a great I mean, it's a

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Speaker 2: perfect popcorn film. Yeah, I mean, say what you will

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Speaker 2: about how inappropriate some of those stereotypes have have aged

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Speaker 2: But you know, everybody, like there's so many little independent

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Speaker 2: character moments. You do get a like real sense of

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Speaker 2: tied together, like the Randy Quaid stuff and those kids

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Speaker 2: and for all of these like sprawling ensemble movies. And

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Speaker 2: it really does. It does click. And I think it's

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Speaker 2: it's one of the last blockbusters to do so I think, like, well,

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: I mean to me, you gotta look at Large Plane

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Speaker 1: Even though Harrison Ford as James Marshall in Air Force

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Speaker 1: because he's Harrison Ford and not Bill Bulman, who I

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Speaker 2: He was the boyfriend who came back from the war

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Speaker 2: in a league of their own. Oh yeah, yeah, has

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Speaker 1: Wasn't he like kind of a wimp in that though?

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Speaker 2: Yeah he's cooked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah okay, but you know what's your what's your point?

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Speaker 1: And he was mister wrong in that own the generous comedy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, I just like him

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Speaker 2: as all, but he's just I just think he's neat.

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Speaker 1: You think he's neat. I don't know, I just can't

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Speaker 2: I mean those are both fair. There's this like weird

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Speaker 2: I think could best be described as if Colombo starred

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Speaker 2: He's like into BDSM. He's just kind of always shambles around,

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Speaker 2: He's like slurring all of his But he's a hell

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Speaker 2: of that that I really like. Yeah, hey man, Bill Pullman, he's.

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Speaker 1: No Bill Paxton.

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Speaker 2: Well that's true.

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Speaker 1: That's my that's my Bill of the nineties. That's her

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Speaker 1: bird Bill.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you can only have the one.

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Speaker 1: Well, folks, we've got a lot to get to, so

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Speaker 1: we're gonna dive right in. Ladies and gentlemen, here's everything

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Speaker 1: you didn't know about Independence Day. The movie Independence Day

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Speaker 1: was the brainchild of two men, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting something in my ear right now. That's incorrect.

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Speaker 2: At least you got that out of the way early.

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Speaker 1: Point that was the one, that was my one, that

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Speaker 1: that was my mulligan, all right. No. The two men

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Speaker 1: responsible for this great movie are German director Roland Emeric

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Speaker 1: and New York writer producer Dean Devlyn. Like many filmmakers,

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Speaker 1: they were both inspired by the work of Steven Spielberg

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Speaker 1: and George Lucas, specifically summer blockbusters with weight, heart and intelligence.

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Speaker 2: You can only have two, yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 1: Emmerick would later wax poetic about this, saying I was

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Speaker 1: be incorporated Independence Day with the big big Alien Saucers.

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Speaker 2: Ship, Saucers ship, saw Saucers Ship, Saucers.

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Speaker 1: Carvel has this for me. German movies were boring in dull,

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Speaker 1: and everything that came from the New Hollywood was cool.

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Speaker 1: I forgot to read all this in a German accident.

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Speaker 1: Emeric went the film school, where he distinguished himself early.

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Speaker 1: His nineteen eighty one graduation film was the most expensive

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Speaker 1: student film in German history, earning him the nickname Dash Spielberg.

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Speaker 1: Singlefingen or little Spielberg from Singelfingen.

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Speaker 2: How do you take those people other than Nazism? How

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Speaker 2: do you take those people seriously? I'm sorry, it's not

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Speaker 2: it's like all those old German it's like Dutch, like

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Speaker 2: listening to you, yeah, don't.

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Speaker 1: What's an outrageous language that is to be taken seriously?

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Speaker 1: Russians up there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Russian Portuguese. I would say Portuguese actually because I

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Speaker 2: can never pick up like the vowels. It takes me

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Speaker 2: such a long time, and it sounds like Russian Spanish

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Speaker 2: to me. Oh yeah, I think it's a really interesting

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Speaker 2: It's got a great mouth feel, you know, episodes going well.

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Speaker 1: Roland Emeriic met his Independence Day collaborator Dean Devlin while

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Speaker 1: directing a nineteen ninety German production called Moon forty four.

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Speaker 1: Even though it was just a direct to video movie.

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Speaker 1: I got to Germany, I saw the most beautiful sets

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Speaker 2: Devlin and Emeriic had one of those dreamlike Hollywood creative

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Speaker 2: experiences where everything just falls together, which God, I've talked

431
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Speaker 2: about how much I do love that for people who

432
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Speaker 2: it happens to. They banged a script out in just

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Speaker 2: three weeks, leaving a whole week for the two of

434
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Speaker 2: them before returning to Hollywood, and as Dean Devlin would describe,

435
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Speaker 2: we gave the script our agents on Wednesday. They send

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Speaker 2: it to the studios by Thursday afternoon. By Thursday evening

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Speaker 2: we had three offers, and by Friday, every single studio

438
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Speaker 2: had made an offer. We spent the entire day on

439
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Speaker 2: Friday meeting with each studio, and a bidding war began.

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Speaker 2: A crucial point was that they wanted a big guy

441
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Speaker 2: big by. A crucial point was that they wanted a

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Speaker 2: big spend for the ad campaign.

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Speaker 1: They wanted a big guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they wanted a big guy. Memory, they like a

445
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Speaker 2: big guy sent to Mexico. Fos following is the crucial

446
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Speaker 2: point was that they wanted to expend. They wanted them

447
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Speaker 2: to spend money on the damn on the goddamn ad campaign.

448
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Speaker 2: Jordan uh Stargate, they felt had been mishandled in a

449
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Speaker 2: classic I mean wishful thinking for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys ruin this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys hop So they're going to space Egypt? Yeah,

452
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Speaker 2: and who's your hero Spader? Yeah? All right, who's playing

453
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Speaker 2: the bad guy? The crying game? We'll give you ten bucks.

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Speaker 1: We'll tell our friends about it.

455
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll mention it in the call. In a conference call. Uh,

456
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Speaker 2: they pitched the idea of a teaser that culminated with

457
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Speaker 2: the White House blowing up under the slogan the world

458
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Speaker 2: ends July fourth. This naturally made studio executives nervous, and,

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Speaker 2: according to Emeric and Devlin, they're meeting with twenty century

460
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Speaker 2: Fox sounded something like this, Fox executives, do you want

461
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Speaker 2: to blow up the White House? Rollin Emerick, everyone is

462
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Speaker 2: frustrated with politics, right, now they'll cheer it.

463
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Speaker 1: It'll be like the right stag.

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Speaker 2: Fox execs. Yes, but the White House, Devlin, We would

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Speaker 2: agree with you if it were a terrorist doing it,

466
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Speaker 2: but it's space aliens.

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Speaker 1: Ah grabs lamp lamps from space.

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Speaker 2: Feel good for that foot spot. Twenty Century Fox chairman

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Speaker 2: Peter Chernan greenlit the screenplay on a Friday, as in,

470
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Speaker 2: two days after the pair had submitted the script, and

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Speaker 2: they were in pre production by following Monday. Jordan, howffen

472
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Speaker 2: does that happen?

473
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Speaker 1: Very rarely, especially these days more common then?

474
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Speaker 2: So the production was in some ways rushed because they

475
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Speaker 2: had heard that Tim Burt was getting involved in Mars Attacks,

476
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Speaker 2: which was his reboot of a trading card series. Oh yeah,

477
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Speaker 2: and his first film since surely it couldn't have been Batman.

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Speaker 1: Oh it might have been No, No, ed would Edwood?

479
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, his first film before since Edward

480
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: two years prior was going to be a reboot of

481
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Speaker 2: a trading card series from the nineteen fifties. I actually

482
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Speaker 2: like Mars Attacks. I don't think it comes off super well,

483
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Speaker 2: but I think it really nails. It's kind of like

484
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Speaker 2: fifties sci fi Palm Springs, Vegas campy tone really well,

485
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Speaker 2: but Fox was having none of it. Mars Attacks had

486
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Speaker 2: a release date set for the summer end of summer

487
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Speaker 2: ninety six, so Emeric and Devlin set their sights on

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Speaker 2: the fourth of July, which basically gave them the title

489
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Speaker 2: of the movie. As Emeric were called to the Guardian,

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Speaker 2: I told our agent we wanted to do it. He said,

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Speaker 2: forget about it. Tim Burton is doing Mars Attacks. I

492
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Speaker 2: said to Dean, we can't do our film after a

493
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Speaker 2: parody comes out. We had to beat him to it.

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Speaker 2: If it came out on the July fourth weekend, we

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Speaker 2: would beat Mars Attacks. We've beat Mars Attacks. Whips riding

496
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Speaker 2: crop into like maps of jours. Yeah, he's wearing job purs.

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Speaker 2: That's patent. I'm confusing my authoritarian.

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Speaker 1: It fits though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good. Never let the truth get in the

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Speaker 2: way of it.

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Speaker 1: He was on a horse the pit hat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, in retrospect, this cast seems jam packed with huge names.

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Speaker 1: You got Will Smith, Jeff Goldbloom, Bill Pullman, Randy Quaid

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Speaker 1: and Vivica A Fox the name but a few also

506
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Speaker 1: the dad from The Wonder Years, Dan Lauria. He's a

507
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Speaker 1: bit part of this too.

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Speaker 2: Also Anne from Marissa Development is the daughter the Presidents.

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Speaker 1: What yeah, man? Her her? Was she funny or something? Wow?

510
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: Good call? I did not catch that amazing?

511
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Speaker 2: Oh man. Yeah, there's so many great character actors. There's

512
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: the guy who plays Frank and Donny Darko. Once he

513
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: takes his mask off.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's Randy Quaid's kid, right, he's like sick.

515
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but there is How can we forget

516
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: Harry Connake Junior.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he's in here? Yeah yeah, yeah, I did

518
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: kind of forget that he was in here. Oh you

519
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: forgot because he's in here for a spoiler alert. He's

520
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: in there for like four minutes, and yet they still

521
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: really push him to the front in all the promo

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Speaker 1: videos for this, and it's like, well, I think he

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Speaker 1: How many of our moms were sad going to see

524
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Speaker 1: this to see that he gets killed in the first

525
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Speaker 1: ten minutes?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and special alien vocal effects by Frank Welker.

527
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Speaker 1: What did he do?

528
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Speaker 2: He's a who the Monkey? He's like. Rank Welker is

529
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Speaker 2: one of those guys. I mean, I've friend of the pot.

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Speaker 2: We talked about him like seventeen times on here. He

531
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Speaker 2: is Scooby he took over Scooby Doo from uh way

532
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Speaker 2: or no, he always did Fred. He did Fred from

533
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Speaker 2: the beginning, and then he took over doing Scooby Doo

534
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: as well in two thousand and two. God, what else

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Speaker 2: did he voice? Well, a lot of dogs, A.

536
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Speaker 1: Lot of dogs, A lot of dogs. You're gonna have

537
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Speaker 1: a lot of dogs.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna Yeah, he did Quakula.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, he just Oh.

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00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 2: He was brain and doctor claw on, Inspector Gadget.

541
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good one.

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Speaker 2: He was a bunch of things on Super Friends. He

543
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 2: was a few different characters, a Muppet Babies. He was

544
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Speaker 2: g I Joe. He was two of the Ghostbusters in

545
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Speaker 2: the series. He was a bad guy in Johnny Quest,

546
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Speaker 2: Multiple Forces on the Smurfs, Captain Planet, Planet Tears. He

547
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Speaker 2: was Sands as a Little Helper and Snowball two.

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Speaker 1: Wait. Here's an insane stat With this film's earning a

549
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: total worldwide box office gross of seventeen point four billion,

550
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Speaker 1: he is the fourth highest grossing actor as of twenty

551
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Speaker 1: twenty four.

552
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. He was Nibbler in Futurama. He was Abu the Monkey,

553
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: Roger the Tiger, and the Cave of Wonders in Aladdin,

554
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: he was the whales in Free Willy to the Adventure Home.

555
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: He was both the Martians and the Independence Aliens in

556
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six. It just keeps going, man, I mean,

557
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, guys and everything.

558
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Speaker 1: I did not know he was in this. I regret

559
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: the error, I regret the omission.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. You put some respect on his name.

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Speaker 1: So okay, Obviously, as we just said, there are a

562
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Speaker 1: lot of big names in this, but the studio at

563
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Speaker 1: the time was firmly against having people who were considered

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Speaker 1: movie stars. I don't fully understand the logic, but Emeric

565
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: and Devlin were not especially thrown off by this. As

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Speaker 1: Emeric's agent noted in a New York Times article, many

567
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Speaker 1: of the most lucrative films ever made from et to

568
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: Star Wars didn't star anyone who was well known when

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Speaker 1: the film first appeared in theaters. So, in short, Independence

570
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Speaker 1: Day was meant to be a star making movie. And

571
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what it did. For one William Smith. Wow,

572
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Speaker 1: his whole vibe changes with William Smith.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then he becomes a guy who would slap someone

574
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Speaker 2: on our live shot on the biggest award, biggest night

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Speaker 2: in Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: That is correct. You know, it's hilarious to think now.

577
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: But Will Smith was seen as something of an odd

578
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Speaker 1: choice when he was cast in Independence Day as Captain

579
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Speaker 1: Steve Hiller. At the time, Bad Boys was really the

580
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: biggest thing he'd ever done, and that didn't come out

581
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Speaker 1: until right around the time Independence Day went into production.

582
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Speaker 1: So basically when he was cast, he was essentially just

583
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Speaker 1: seen as the fresh Prince. As Emeric later explained to

584
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Speaker 1: the Guardian, Will Smith's role was not written as black.

585
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Speaker 1: His ethnicity was not mentioned, so the studio assumed he

586
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Speaker 1: wanted to hire a white guy. But we set our

587
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: sights on will very early. There was no one more

588
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Speaker 1: American than Lil Smith. Well, the studio dragged their feet.

589
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: They sent the script to Ethan Hawk, who was haught

590
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Speaker 1: off the success of nineteen ninety four as Reality Bites.

591
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: According to his truly hilarious account on Conan, go to

592
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Speaker 1: YouTube and watch it. It's really funny. He tells it

593
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: really well. Hawk thought the script was one of the

594
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Speaker 1: dumbest things he'd ever read in his life. He was

595
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Speaker 1: reading it while on a road trip with his friends,

596
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: like a good one to be beat poet, and upon

597
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: reaching the line about whooping ET's ass. He literally threw

598
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Speaker 1: the script out the car window onto the hot asphalt

599
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: of the Texas Highway. He didn't much to see the

600
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: movie when it came out a year later, and was

601
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: horrified to one see how good it was and two

602
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: see just how much people went wild for that specific

603
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Speaker 1: line about beating Et. Given this quote from Emeric, though,

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Speaker 1: it seems like Hawk was more of the studio's choice

605
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: than his Ethan Hawk was on our list too, he said,

606
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Speaker 1: but I thought at the time that he was too young.

607
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: It was pretty clear that it had to be Will

608
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Speaker 1: Smith and Jeff Goldbloom. That was the combo we thought.

609
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Speaker 1: The studio said, no, we don't like Will Smith. He's unproven.

610
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: He doesn't work in international markets. He said, you cast

611
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: the black guy in that part, you're going to kill

612
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: the foreign box office. Dean Devlin added, our argument was, well,

613
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Speaker 1: the movie's about space aliens. It's going to do fine

614
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: foreign It's a big war, and Roland really stood up

615
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: for Will and he ultimately won that war. Will Smith

616
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: earned a five million dollar pay day for the role,

617
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Speaker 1: and this was his first step in becoming the unofficial

618
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Speaker 1: King of the Fourth of July. Blockbuster including future roles

619
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Speaker 1: in Men in Black one, two and three, Wild Wild West, Well,

620
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: Hi Robot and Bancock? Well and is in there somewhere?

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Speaker 2: Sure? Did he rain?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? But Independence Day was his highest grossing movie, grossing

623
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: eight hundred million plus worldwide for twenty three years until

624
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: Disney's Aladdin reboot in twenty nineteen broke a billion.

625
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Speaker 2: Okay, so do you find the other alternate story about

626
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: how how Roland Emory did this? No, or how he

627
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: came up for the pitch of this. This was a

628
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Speaker 2: Hollywood reporter. He said that he was originally pitched went

629
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Speaker 2: in for meeting at Warner Brothers, and he was originally

630
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: pitched a movie starring Harrison Ford, but like a prison

631
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Speaker 2: escape thriller for this seventy million dollar budget. And so

632
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: he said, I could finally do the alien invasion movie.

633
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: I've always wanted for that much. And then he said,

634
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Speaker 2: I went into book soup and bought War of the World.

635
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Speaker 2: I read it. I read it and I felt it

636
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: was dated.

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Speaker 1: I did not hear that. Yeah, So I was like,

638
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: how do we do this instead? I have not heard

639
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: that in all my research.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, they budgeted in the proposals at sixty nine point

641
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Speaker 2: five nice not really.

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00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: That with nice in parentheses is literally inherent some point.

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Speaker 1: Will was very popular on the set, where he was

644
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Speaker 1: nicknamed mister Charisma Devlent Toal Variety in a nineteen ninety

645
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Speaker 1: nine profile, we wanted our hero and Independence Day to

646
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: be the all American boy, and Will Smith is that

647
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Speaker 1: all American boy. This guy has lived the American dream

648
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: than anyone. I know your thoughts.

649
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean I think Will Smith is like

650
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: a perfect he's he's he's his brain should actually be stuck.

651
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: If he weren't so like, if he weren't so jealously like,

652
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: if he didn't wasn't still in laboring on the delusion

653
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: that he has like any clout or or career left,

654
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: it would be really fascinating, because you know, he like,

655
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: he's a great example of.

656
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: What happens when was it over exposure?

657
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: No, people, I think he got famous too quickly or

658
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: too young, and and that's what happens, is you or

659
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: maybe it happened less than the nineties. Now everybody's operating

660
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: in principle that everything way to argue. But uh, yeah, man,

661
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 2: I think he and then his kids get like he's

662
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: just the perfect storm of everything about him. I don't

663
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: like his wife sucks, his kids suck. Just go mask off, dude.

664
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, there's just no point in Have you seen

665
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 2: his new video called like is it just called women? What? Oh? Yeah,

666
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: you put out a new song summer.

667
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out, like when he stopped

668
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: being like a blockbuster lead.

669
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: Oh it's called pretty Girls. It's Pretty Girls, and it

670
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 2: is a song in which he extols the virtue of

671
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 2: you know, age appropriate women, which is wonderful.

672
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: Oh wait, it came out three weeks ago.

673
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's so cringe as That's what I'm saying, dude,

674
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: Just go, like, stop pretending, just stop pretending you're not

675
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 2: an uptight, insane person that you've been, Like, go to rehab.

676
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: You're obviously coked out for a very long time, a legend.

677
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: Just stop pretending you're normal and give everyone the like insane,

678
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: tell all and spill a bunch of or like that's

679
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: all we wanted it.

680
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: The video kicks off with Smith in the therapy session,

681
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: telling his doctor he's had the same problem since he

682
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: was a little boy. After she probes him to explain

683
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: what the problem is, he gets a big grin on

684
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: his face as the video transitions to him surrounded by

685
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: a number of dancers and models. He's like sixty years.

686
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: Old, I know. And that's what I'm saying. It's like

687
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: it's not just because he's so rich. He still has

688
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: like a grip on cloud. He's not like Mickey Rourke,

689
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: who's like everyone is like that guy's out to lunch

690
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: and but he needs like he's poor, so we can

691
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: you know, he doesn't get anything made laughing. But like

692
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: Will Smith is so actively out there being like, no,

693
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: I have millions of dollars from like being on in

694
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: actual media when I was a child, and I'm going

695
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: to keep making new music. Everyone's just like.

696
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: Okay, man, it's kind of giving me like O J.

697
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: Simpson's rap video.

698
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: Well, no, because at least O J. Simpson wrote a

699
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 2: book called If I Did It. Yeah, I don't know, man,

700
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: He's just he's weird to me. He seems like it's

701
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: like a weird He's weird to you.

702
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: Will Smith is weird to you.

703
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: Yes, No, I'm sorry, Yes, that's the thesis point that

704
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: I was making. No, it's just uh, he has like

705
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: a touch of the like Tom Cruise Subermenshan self, Are

706
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: they self?

707
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: Are they both? I mean maybe, but there's multiple ways

708
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: to read that.

709
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: But but my point is in saying this is that

710
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise will still throw himself off of a building

711
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: and yeah, and we'll all go cheer for it. I mean, like,

712
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 2: do people like the song Pretty Girls that he made?

713
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: Let's check.

714
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure it's got seven million streams on. Yeah,

715
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: whatever's stop talking about Will Smith. I'm getting sweaty. It's

716
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: making me feel bad.

717
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: Well, do you want to talk about President good Speech?

718
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: I can never remember his name, your beloved built.

719
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 2: President good Speech. Yeah, well, this could have been a

720
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: very different movie had they, uh well, had they went

721
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: with their original pick for president, which was Kevin Spacey

722
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Speaker 2: Oxford bos plus Pausford gasps. I guess, I don't know, Like,

723
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: what do you want to say about that?

724
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: That's weird. Yeah, had he even been old enough to

725
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: be the president, then he would have.

726
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: But Dean Devlin was a friend of his from childhood,

727
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: so he might have a little something in there that

728
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: we don't really he might have. Yeah, he said he

729
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 2: knew Kevin Spacey since high school.

730
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey's dad was like a like an actual like

731
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: card carrying Nazi was eh.

732
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Speaker 2: Back at At one point, Devlin said, we can get

733
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Speaker 2: Kevin for two hundred k right now. In a year

734
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Speaker 2: from now, he's going to win an oscar and he's

735
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: going to cost two million, And the studio executive at

736
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: Fox said, Kevin Spacey will never win an oscar in

737
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Speaker 2: my lifetime.

738
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Speaker 1: I'm saying you something right now. I want you to

739
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: see this picture of Kevin Spacey's dad.

740
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is.

741
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, got the Hitler mustache and everything. Long after you

742
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: could get away with that plausibly deny it.

743
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Bill Pullman said, he said when he heard

744
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: about the part, he said, that sounds like heavy lifting,

745
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 2: which is kind of, you know, good for him. In

746
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: an early draft the film, the President was a harsher

747
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: Richard Nixon like figure, and eventually the studio did go

748
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 2: with Bill Pullman. And Pullman, as you mentioned earlier, having

749
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: been known for recently Casper Mister Wrong, Spaceball, Sleepless in Seattle.

750
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: He told The Guardian, I got a call from my

751
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: agent saying they're interested in you know, they're interested in

752
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: you for a Fox movie as President. I said, is

753
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: it a comedy, because that would make sense. At that

754
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: point there weren't movies that had a president is the

755
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: lead character. It was biof and then usually only on television.

756
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: So then they rewrote it because they couldn't bear to

757
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: make Bill Pullman.

758
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: Unlike another actor who was confused about the tone of

759
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: this movie was veteran character actor Robert Loja, Friend of

760
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: the Pod Yes, oh, oh my god, friend the friend

761
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: of us all. Really, he plays the president's confidant, General

762
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: William Gray, and Lojah was reportedly miffed when screenwriter Dean

763
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: Devlin suggested he watched the movie Airplan to get into

764
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: the proper headspace for his role the comedy classic Airplan.

765
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: Devlin had meant to suggest the nineteen seventy disaster movie

766
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: Airport rather than the Leslie nielsen Helm slapstick film Airplane,

767
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: but this misunderstanding meant that Robert Loja thought that he

768
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: had accidentally signed up to be in a spoof movie,

769
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: and he was not happy about it. One day, very

770
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: early in production, he refused to leave his trailer. Ultimately,

771
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: they cleared up the misunderstanding and he delivered a fine

772
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: performance on set. Emeric and Devlin called Robert Lojia the

773
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: turtle because he had a hard ardor shell, but was

774
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: a soft, cuddly guy on the inside, and he kind

775
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: of looked like Squirtle.

776
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: Example number two of that Bill Pullman to the Hollywood reporter,

777
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: I have a brother who's two years older than I am.

778
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: Somewhere along the line we decided the only actor who

779
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 2: was worth talking about was Robert Loggia. Then I was

780
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: on the set and there's Robert Loggier. Wow, I said,

781
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: I've never done this, but if I can get on

782
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: the phone over here, can we call my brother? I

783
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: really hate that stuff. Every part of me cringes when

784
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: I get asked to do that people that don't know

785
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: and they're on the phone. I just I don't know

786
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: what came out of me. But Robert was so graceful,

787
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: and I never asked anybody again ever to do anything

788
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: like it.

789
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: Oh I like that, Yeah, I like grab. What is

790
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: like the big defining role of his He's in so

791
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: many movies logio, Yeah, Oh, he's seen big. He's as big.

792
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: I think, does he do the piano dance with him?

793
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: With Tom Hends. I think he's the Yeah, okay, he's

794
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: the toy guy, but you know, he officer and a

795
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: gentleman's scarface because he's honor.

796
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember him as the heavy one of the

797
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: guys at scarface. Yeah yeah, but you know, I mean,

798
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 2: this guy had been acting. He's been acting for forty

799
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: straight years by the time he made Independent Say. His

800
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 2: first movie was Somebody up There Likes Me in nineteen

801
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: fifty six. Sorry, Paul Newman in front of the pod.

802
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: Paul Newman, Oh.

803
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Oh my god. He was in the Greatest

804
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 1: Story Ever Told as Joseph Wow, that's wild.

805
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: Played a cat burglar in the show The Cat. The

806
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: character's name was Thomas Hewitt Edward Cat, which is how

807
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: you got the acronym THG cat. Where he's a he's

808
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: a cat burglar who became a good guy. It became

809
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: a circus guy.

810
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: Oh, this is like a sixty show. This looks awesome.

811
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. It basically was like a test run for like

812
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: it takes a thief. Yeah. Oh man theme by uh

813
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 2: oh I duly departed.

814
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, my condolences, thank you well. Speaking of krusty cast

815
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: members having problems with script details, this brings us to

816
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: jud Hirsh. He appears as Jeff Goldbloom's dad, a kind

817
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: of borderline offensive Jewish stereotype.

818
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not I'm not Jewish, but I would

819
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: have been offended had I been Yeah, yeah, I mean

820
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: he's yeah, I don't know. Yeah. It's like, I'm not

821
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: even gonna give it, give space to the anti semitism

822
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: of that film, but it's real fun to do.

823
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: This all seems to bother jud less than his character's name, Moisha,

824
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: which he asked Devlin to change. Devlin, presumably annoyed, asked

825
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: Judge on the spot what he wanted instead, and for

826
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: whatever reason, Julius Caesar was on the front of Jud's mind,

827
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: so we blurted out Julius, which stuck because there's only

828
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: a ten years between Judd and Jeff Goldbloom, and jud

829
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: just looks so goddamn youthful. The makeup people had to

830
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 1: go to town on his face. As Dean Devlin would

831
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: explain the irony with Judd hirsh is that he looks

832
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: too young to be the father, so he had to

833
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: put a lot of old age makeup and liver spots

834
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: on him to make him believable as a dad. But

835
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: when he saw himself in the makeup, he got very

836
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: depressed as he looked into the future. How dare you

837
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: bumb out? Jud hirsh I know, I know, Oh, here

838
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: we go. You need to hit Harry Connick and everybody's

839
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: favorite Weasley dickhead character actor. Ooh these feel like you?

840
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, so we mentioned Harry Connick Junior earlier. I

841
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: have no problem with Harry Connick Junior as a genuine

842
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: son of New Orleans. Sure, he makes like, you know,

843
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: the Christmas jazz for your mom. But I'm gonna go

844
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: ahead and say the thing everybody says. If you haven't

845
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: seen that clip of Harry Connick Junior making a crowd

846
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: stop clapping on one and three and making them clap

847
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: on two and four instead.

848
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go watch it.

849
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: It's great. That's next. Let that's Galaxy bran pre I'm playing.

850
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: In all of my years, I have never seen someone

851
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: successfully flip the crowd around like that. Harry Connick Junior

852
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 2: was cast as Jimmy Wilder Will Smith's Red Shirt friend,

853
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: but he was not their original choice. That was a

854
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: little unknown TV actor named Matthew Perry.

855
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: He was in Friends at that point.

856
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: He was Yeah, God, can you imagine how annoying he

857
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 2: would have been in this movie?

858
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he lasts all of four minutes.

859
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: He would have made it count though Perry would have Yeah.

860
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: He would have been like chewing the scenery.

861
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Well, according to the director's commentary track,

862
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: Matthew Perry had to drop out very close to the

863
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 2: shooting schedule, and through the good fortune of Harry Connick's

864
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: recording schedule and touring schedule, there was a window of

865
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: opportunity that he could do this part. What's funny, though,

866
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: is that there ends up being a Perry in the film. No,

867
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: not Linda Perry actor John Bennett Perry, Matthew Perry's actual

868
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: dad appears as the secret Service agent protecting First Lady

869
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: Marilyn Quitman played by Mary McDonald, who's also in Donnie Darko. Man.

870
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that. God, yes, two Donny Darko cast members.

871
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: In this movie, and we mentioned Dan Laurier from The

872
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: Wonder Years. Kevin Arnold's dad is a military personnel member.

873
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: I didn't mention that, but words my know, and now

874
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: this is I love this guy. He's one of my

875
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,479
Speaker 1: favorite character actors. My favorite bit player in this movie

876
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: is the underhanded Secretary of Defense Albert Nimzicki Nimzicky, who,

877
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: when the President insists the area fifty one doesn't exist,

878
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,959
Speaker 1: utters the immortal lie that's not entirely accurate. In this movie,

879
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: he was a former CIE director who was therefore aware

880
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: of the alien's existence due to the shift being recovered

881
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: at Roswell. He is played by the late great character

882
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: actor James reb Horn, who made a career out of

883
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: playing as you have called it in one episode or another,

884
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: Weasley dickheads.

885
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's great. He's one of those perma that guys, Yeah,

886
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: big time.

887
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: But else see my.

888
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 2: Cousin Vinnie basic instinct scent of a woman White sands

889
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 2: All in nineteen ninety two alone.

890
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

891
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: Of course he was on Law and Order, where he

892
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 2: played multiple characters, and he was in Homeland when he died,

893
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: which I believe was what most people had chosen to

894
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: love him for. He's also the district attorney in the

895
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 2: series finale of Seinfeld.

896
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: Right, Okay that I knew there was a Seinfeld connection

897
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: in there, Yes, yes, yes, okay, thank you.

898
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: He was usually playing like military men or FBI agents,

899
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: or like attorneys.

900
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: Weasily dickids, weasily dickids. Oh, I love this though. I

901
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: love the pettiness of this. I think this is like

902
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: the third or fourth time we've encountered a situation like

903
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: this on the show. His character name of Albert Nimzicki

904
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: was a not so subtle jab at Joe Zicky, MGM's

905
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: head of advertising, who apparently had been tough on Devlin

906
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: and Emeric during the production of Stargate, demanding recuts and,

907
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: according to them, screwing up the promotional campaign for that movie.

908
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: Nice.

909
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: Another character named after someone from their Stargate experience is

910
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: doctor Brackish oakin the hersuit eccentric research scientist at Area

911
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: fifty one played by Brett Speiner aka Star Trek's Data

912
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: and his whole Stick is an affectionate tribute to Stargate's

913
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: visual effects supervisor Jeffrey A. Oakin how about that?

914
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 2: How about that?

915
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: How about that?

916
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: You know Jeff Goldlin plays jazz pian, right, Yeah, Brent

917
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: Spiner is also a singer, and so the pair of

918
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: them would just apparently sit around keyboards and sing and

919
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: play jazz standards before shooting together.

920
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: Oh I like that. I like that a lot. Yeah.

921
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: What do you think about Brent? Oh?

922
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: I like him? Okay, see, is there something I don't know? No, No,

923
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: I like, I'm a big fan of X Gen. Okay,

924
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: I mean there's LeVar Burton, of course, there is Frank's

925
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: Jonathan frankes Ye who plays Wharf. I can't remember his name. Uh,

926
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: there's Wharf. I can't remember his name.

927
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: There's Wharf.

928
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: Michael Dorn, Michael Dorn, Yes.

929
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: Michael Wharf. I feel like you just keep not getting it.

930
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't really know what your problem is.

931
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: So close?

932
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: What do I say?

933
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: You're saying? Dorn's Michael Wharf.

934
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: The character is is Wharf, and this his name is

935
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: Michael Dor.

936
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to make you lose your mind slowly.

937
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 2: We like to have fun here. You should trust yourself

938
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 2: more often. You were you were, you were right. As

939
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: you meditate on that, We'll be right back with more

940
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 2: too much information after these messages. Wow.

941
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: The seventy two day Independence Day shoot began on July

942
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, nineteen ninety five, with a press release from

943
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: Fox heralding the day as quote the countdown to the

944
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: End of the world. Fox gave Emerican Devlin a sixty

945
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: nine million dollar production budget. Nice They, in turn instructed

946
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: their team to make it look like one hundred million, because,

947
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: as you may be aware, sixty nine million for this

948
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: kind of movie was not a ton even though it's nice,

949
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: even back in the nineties, the film would be like

950
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: a third of that, right, Oh yeah, I mean maybe

951
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: even a little more.

952
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

953
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: It's it's actually really shocking what they were able to

954
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: get away with because so much of this was done

955
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: with practical effect. Oh here, this is movie magic. You

956
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 1: got to talk about the movie magic.

957
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: No, I was going to bring in the fact that they,

958
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: you know, much like Operation paper Clip, they brought in

959
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: a power from Germany who was really good at blowing

960
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: stuff up. They help him. His name was Vulkar Engel.

961
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, and he was the guy who's famous

962
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: for blowing up the Death Star.

963
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm oh no, sorry sorry, no, incorrect, incorrect, That

964
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: was not Vulgar Engele. Vulgar Anger was the supervisor. Engle

965
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 2: basically farmed out the effects work for six different companies.

966
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 2: The only reason he was worth mentioning was for the

967
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 2: Operation paper Clip joke. The guy who blew up the

968
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: White House with a guy named Joe Viscosl who you

969
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 2: correctly said, blew up the Death Star.

970
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: Well, here we got some great movie magic here. I

971
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: know how much you love that. If you want to

972
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: take this, I say go right ahead. No you okay,

973
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: it's got some great stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, okay. But

974
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: whereas the Pyro stuff and the blown up the White House,

975
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: this seems like this is hardcore movie magic. I think

976
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: you'd like that. Well, initially the cost was going to

977
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: be offset by the US military, who pledged to supply

978
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: filmmakers with appropriate costumes, vehicles, and props. But then they

979
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: actually read the script and caught all the references to

980
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: Area fifty one, and we're not happy. They felt that

981
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: this movie depicted the government as duplicitous and ruefully deceitful,

982
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: and demanded that all references to Area fifty one be removed.

983
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: Oh babies.

984
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: To their credit, Emerican Devil refused. This is probably one

985
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: of the biggest twists of the movie. Emrick noted in

986
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: the middle of the movie, all of a sudden, you

987
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: come up with Area fifty one. There's this mythology about

988
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: this place where they keep spaceships for Dean and I.

989
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 1: It was the most important part because it ties together

990
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: this mythology that people believe into the movie so it

991
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: feels more real and so for not the first north

992
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: the last time, the US military pulled out. As a result,

993
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 1: the production was forced to borrow equipment from other movies

994
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 1: payback for the time when another German director, Wolfgang Peterson.

995
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: Director Wolfgan Peters director wolf.

996
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 1: Kang Peterson lent the sub from dass Boot to Steven

997
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: Spielberg for the filming of Raiders of the Lost Dark

998
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: in the early eighties. The Submarine and Independence Day came

999
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: from Crimson Tide and also the Kelsey Grammer comedy Down Periscope.

1000
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: The Stealth Bomber came from Broken Arrow and the White House.

1001
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: Interior sets have been used in both Oliver stones Nixing

1002
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: biopic and the Michael Douglas romcom The American President.

1003
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: Oh I Remember the American President, written by Eric and Sorkin. Yeah, funny.

1004
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 2: One thing I wanted to mention about Area fifty about well,

1005
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 2: not even Area fifty one, but more the bases in

1006
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 2: the films. In the original nineteen fifty three movies, there's

1007
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: an offhand comment by the character Doctor Forrester who says

1008
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: El Toro Base is the home of the Marines, and

1009
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 2: so that's where they make Captain Hiller fly out of

1010
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: and Harry Connick in Independence Day. Yeah.

1011
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: Also, this white house set that was borrowed for the

1012
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: Independence Day movie was then borrowed by Independence Day's rival movie,

1013
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: Mars Attacks. It's the same room where Jack Nicholson was

1014
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: the president in Mars Attacks.

1015
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 2: That's really I mean, it just goes to show that

1016
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 2: studios have no loyalties, no whatever's going to make put

1017
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: money in the till Yep.

1018
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 1: I'm surprised they didn't like go scorched earth and burn

1019
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: it to the ground, so that Mars Attacks had to

1020
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: build a whole new one and install even later.

1021
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1022
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: So the production was forced to obtain their own planes

1023
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: and choppers, and one of the most unique aircrafts in

1024
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: Independence Day is featured in the Welcome Wagon scene, when

1025
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: a helicopter pilot is sent to communicate with the alien

1026
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: spacecraft with an array of flashing lights. The aliens then

1027
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: shoot the thing out of the sky, revealing their hostile intent.

1028
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 2: It was also a little too close to home for

1029
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 2: different people.

1030
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: John land Has had nothing to do with this.

1031
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: John Landis did not have anything to do with this,

1032
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: but apparently when they were filming the welcome wagon. They

1033
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: actually got about one hundred and fifty Californians called in

1034
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: UFO sightings.

1035
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: Yes, Unfortunately, no one thought to actually alert the public

1036
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: that there would be this huge I think it's called

1037
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: Skorroski S sixty four sky crane, which is mostly used

1038
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: to fight forest fires, outfitted with strobe light things on

1039
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: the side, just telegraphing morse code messages. So yes, the

1040
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: population of Orange County was absolutely terrified, and as you said,

1041
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: something like one hundred and fifty people called in UFO sightings.

1042
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: Part of the reason that the shooting schedule was a

1043
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: lean seventy two days was because the studio wanted to

1044
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: free up the budget to tackle the special effects. Independence

1045
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: say boasts an astonishing three thousand effects shots, which was

1046
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 2: a record for a single movie at the time.

1047
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: That's insane.

1048
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 2: I mean, do they even count stuff that's entirely done

1049
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 2: in the box as an effect shot? Oh?

1050
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a guy. I don't know. That's a great question.

1051
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: How did you How do you start counting it as

1052
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: a screen time? This was one of the last films

1053
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: to rely primarily on practical effects. About eighty percent of

1054
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: the effects in Independence. They were done with miniatures and models,

1055
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 2: and Eric explained this in the Movies Behind the Scenes feature.

1056
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 2: I think old fashion effects will never die out because

1057
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: they're simply too good. We sometimes make a combination of

1058
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: a model, motion control photograph models for the foreground and

1059
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 2: then go digital CGI in the background. That was confusing,

1060
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: but English is not his first language. The production's model

1061
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: making department built over twice as many miniatures that had

1062
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 2: been built for any film prior.

1063
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: Ever, that's insane, like more than like in Kong or well,

1064
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: because this is all over the world, you know what

1065
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean, like all the cities that were represented.

1066
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess that's true. Yeah. It was probably like

1067
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 2: the most like miniature recreation of architecture ever undertook at

1068
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 2: that point, except by a bunch of nerds in their homes.

1069
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: The spaceship model tapped out at thirty feet long in

1070
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 2: some cases, and the shots of them entering the Earth's

1071
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: atmosphere were done in a cloud tank. The scenes in

1072
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: which flames and golf city scapes were created by using

1073
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: a miniature skyline mounted sideways on a wall and filmed

1074
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: from above, with fire being shot through them below. So

1075
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: fire wants to go up. Some of the streets are

1076
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 2: that they reverse the shit. It's like I'm gesturing right now.

1077
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 2: It's very dark in here, Jordan David to see me.

1078
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 2: As we mentioned earlier, Emeric's German pal who he flew in,

1079
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: contracted legendary pyrate Joe Dyscoke Sill, famous as the guy

1080
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: who blew up the Death Star, to oversee these explosives.

1081
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: It took him a week to plan and required upwards

1082
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 2: of forty charges. Emerics said, we gave him a room

1083
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: for three and a half months where he did nothing

1084
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 2: but shoot explosions. He built up his library of fire

1085
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: and flame that was the most extensive ever created.

1086
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful sentence.

1087
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, that's beautiful. Well, you know, I'm

1088
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: told they have a.

1089
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: History of literature and of violence.

1090
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 2: The piece deies us is, of course, watching the White

1091
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: House get blown up, which for certain purposes I do

1092
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 2: not endorse on the record. The one twelfth scale plaster

1093
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 2: model of the White House was fourteen feet wide and

1094
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: five feet high, and so elaborate that when the time came,

1095
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 2: the crew was reluctant to blow it up. Bob Hurry,

1096
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: the movie's visual effects production supervisor, admitted this in the

1097
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 2: Special Features documentary, is that the White House has got

1098
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: such great detail in it that even during the most

1099
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: preliminary test that we've done, the White House holds up

1100
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: at an extreme close up. And this particular miniature that

1101
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: we've done is very near and dear to our hearts

1102
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: because it's got some wonderful detail. I don't really know

1103
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: if I wanted to blow up or not. I mean seriously,

1104
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: And of course the movie production built it up. They

1105
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 2: built bleachers around it for the press to watch this,

1106
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: which is that's just great. And they only had limited

1107
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: chances to do this, so because they built one spare,

1108
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 2: so they had between seven and nine cameras filming, including

1109
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: one shooting in what must have been one of the

1110
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 2: earliest i'm as cameras. Right, This is like literally around

1111
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: the time when I started seeing Imax, like promoted.

1112
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: There was a Titanic movie called Titanica that was an IMAX,

1113
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: and I want to say that was like ninety two, Yeah,

1114
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: it was nineteen ninety two, but yeah, I mean if

1115
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: this was nineteenety five, yeah, totally.

1116
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: Hammers were shooting at three hundred frames per second, twelve

1117
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: times slower than the average twenty four frames per second

1118
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: speed in order to capture the destruction in a way

1119
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: that looks much more dramatic than the one second explosion

1120
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 2: that occurred in real time. Has a thing about the

1121
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 2: White House, apparently, which makes me think we should look

1122
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: into his visa. Described the White House three times in total,

1123
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: once in Independence Day, again in two thousand and nine,

1124
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 2: confusingly titled twenty twelve, again in twenty thirteen's White House Down,

1125
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: and for his climate change movie Disaster Movie The Day

1126
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: After Tomorrow, the White House was frozen. So yeah, I

1127
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: don't know. Someone call ions' the guy.

1128
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 1: The most poignant explosion, if I could call it, That

1129
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: occurs at the end of the movie when Randy Quaid's

1130
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: lovable loon Russell Cassi his name saves the Day. You

1131
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: recall that his character, an ex fighter pilot turned crop duster,

1132
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: claimed for years that he'd been abducted by aliens, leading

1133
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: to scorn and mockery from everyone in his life. In

1134
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: the movie We Know and Love, he's involved in the

1135
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: climactic dogfight, which apparently drew on footage provided to the

1136
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: production by the Israeli Air Force for authenticity questions. Mark,

1137
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: that's interesting but yes. Randy Quaid's character is the last

1138
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: fighter on the scene with an active rocket, but then

1139
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: it gets jammed and won't fire, So after radioing down

1140
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: to the general that tells kids that he loves them

1141
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: very much, he sacrifices himself by flying Kamikazi style into

1142
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: the mothership with his warhead activated, uttering the immortal rallying cry,

1143
00:59:53,640 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: Oh you gotta do it, love boys. Ah, it's so good.

1144
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 2: It's just funny that in the original version they wanted

1145
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 2: him to just show up with his biplane biplane like

1146
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: crop duster. He drives with a bomb just strapped to

1147
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 2: the side.

1148
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: Which I don't understand if that meant that he was

1149
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: good he had a bomb already. Well, okay, there's that,

1150
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: although that wouldn't surprise me, but that he like it

1151
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: was always a suicide mission as opposed to like, oh shoot,

1152
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: this rocket won't fire. I guess I'm done, you know

1153
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: what I mean?

1154
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 2: Like, Well, apparently they said that it was unrealistic.

1155
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: Yes, the test audiences did not like the byplane thing.

1156
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: Why I don't know, I mean, I maybe it's not

1157
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: heroic enough that this is like weird guy in an

1158
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: old aster playing crop duster just like flies out of nowhere.

1159
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think it given him like the full

1160
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: military muscle, a little more gravitas.

1161
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: Randy Quid to the Hollywood reporter, I want a lot

1162
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: of money at the casino in Utah where we shot

1163
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 2: a lot of the film, So that was nice for him.

1164
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: Has anyone found him yet? Is he still like hiding

1165
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: out in Canada or wherever?

1166
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 2: No? No one has any idea.

1167
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, speaking of grizzled men who kind of seem

1168
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: like they live in the woods and explosives. Apparently, shooting

1169
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: was interrupted briefly when the unibomber called in a threat

1170
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: to lax hell Ay brother. But yes, as you mentioned,

1171
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: test audiences did not like the whole biplane thing, and

1172
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: so they reshot the final scene with Randy in in

1173
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: F sixteen, and to save money and time, they just

1174
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: flipped the explosion used for the miniature model of the

1175
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: Empire State building for the moment when Randy gets sucked

1176
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: up into the Mother's ship and then everything blows up.

1177
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: But that's not the only thing they recycled. When the

1178
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: alien ship fires its death ray at Randy Quaid's plane,

1179
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: sound designers mixed in a tiny sample of one of

1180
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: James Brown's signature's screams, and I'm unclear if this was

1181
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: some sort of play on I'm Back, which Randy Quaid screams,

1182
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: and also James Brown was fond of screaming and his

1183
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,479
Speaker 1: songs like get Up off of that thing. I don't

1184
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: know if that had something could do with it, But

1185
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it rules. I'm gonna splice it in

1186
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: right here, because once you hear it, once you know

1187
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: it's James Brown, you can never unhear it. Oh boys, I'm.

1188
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 2: You know what I think it sounded like. More like

1189
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: to me is the noise that they used to make

1190
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 2: R two D two make when he got hit by.

1191
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, Oh that's true. Yeah, so that's Mike.

1192
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: I'm just some guy.

1193
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: Another interesting cameo in this movie is Godzilla. The young

1194
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: son of Vivica. A. Fox's character can be seen playing

1195
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: with a Godzilla toy, which is a nod to the

1196
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: then upcoming remake that Roland Emeric and Dean Devlin were

1197
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: due to make immediately after this movie, and then, in

1198
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: a really cute twist, Independence Day toys can be seen

1199
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: in certain scenes of a remake which came out as

1200
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier in nineteen ninety eight.

1201
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 2: Apparently for the press tour for this movie. Randy Quaid

1202
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 2: may or may not have been there. According to Roland Emerick,

1203
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: he said that Randy Quaid was a player for Worker.

1204
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: This is to the Hollywood Reporter for their oral history.

1205
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: He said, Randy was always great, but when it came

1206
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: time to do adr automated dialogue replacements, when you repeat

1207
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: your lines in a studio, you always had to deal

1208
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 2: first with Quade's wife to get to Randy. That was

1209
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 2: the only way to do it. Then when it came

1210
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 2: to travel, she behaved so badly that Fox sent him home.

1211
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 2: Dean Devilin continued. That whole thing I find sad. I

1212
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: don't know what was going on. She was causing a

1213
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: lot of problems, and he loved her very much, and

1214
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 2: the studio said we can't have this. It's heartbreaking because

1215
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 2: I loved working with Randy Quaid. Editor's Note. In an email,

1216
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: Quaid denies these accounts and incorrectly writes that there was

1217
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 2: no press tour. Randy Quaid, there was no press tour.

1218
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 2: Independence Day didn't need a press tour. Didn't happen, but

1219
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: nice try. Editors note after the story is published. Quaid

1220
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: further denied that his wife interfered in any way with

1221
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 2: his personal or professional obligations, and denied that Fox sent

1222
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 2: him home from the press war. Quayde said that his

1223
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 2: agent at the time handled his work on Independence Day

1224
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 2: and his wife was not involved. Quaid also stated he

1225
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: was filming a Warner Brothers project in Las Vegas during

1226
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 2: the time the Independence Day press war would have occurred

1227
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 2: and was never involved with what.

1228
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: Oh that might have been Las Vegas vacation seeing that, Oh,

1229
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: I know that was from ninety seven, that's when it

1230
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: came out.

1231
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: I didn't clock that. I was just in that, Okay,

1232
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 2: So he was shooting soday. By the way, is the

1233
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: incident that they're remembering Randy Quaid being a terror at

1234
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 2: casinos and in and around Las Vegas, shooting.

1235
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 1: Vegas vacations, Vegas vacations.

1236
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: And either stumbled into the press event for an Independence

1237
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: Day or people just thought he was causing terror at

1238
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 2: both tuns about right, All right, great, whither Randy? He's

1239
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 2: doing well? Yeah?

1240
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: I love him anyway. He is brother to Dennis Quaid. Correct.

1241
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: I would be shocked to find out if not square.

1242
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: Jawed Rom com lead and Randy Quaid just sharing.

1243
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so wild. Wow they are. There's also a

1244
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 2: Buddy John Quaid who's also an actor and a songwriter

1245
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 2: and a luxury realatur in Austin, Texas. It's Buddy Quaid,

1246
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 2: And then there's a Brandy Quaid who appears to have

1247
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 2: died sadly because there's something called the Quiet Sister. Oh,

1248
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: she's just not in she's not in Hollywood, which is nice. Well,

1249
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: there's your rundown with the Quads minus Jack, which one's Jack. Oh,

1250
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 2: Jack's Jackson, a proper, proper actor these days. He's in

1251
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: He's the Boys at Amazon. He's in that movie.

1252
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: Oh, Meg Ryan's care Canyon.

1253
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in. Yeah, he's more than just Ryan's Jordan.

1254
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: You didn't need to be anything wether Meg Ryan's kid,

1255
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: Ryan's kid.

1256
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 2: I've dined out on that all. Yeah. Hi, I'm Meg

1257
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: Ryan's kid.

1258
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: Do you want to tell us about aliens and lube?

1259
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,919
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, Well, you know, aliens and lube go way back.

1260
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: Let's let's be honest, folks.

1261
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: If you're if you're the successful sequel to Ebony and Ivory, sorry, basically.

1262
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 2: Anytime something looks gross in a movie. They probably just

1263
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: threw a bunch of ky at I guess it mixes

1264
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 2: really well with dies because like famously the Predator's blood

1265
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: was was was ky jelly? Was it?

1266
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

1267
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's an enormous amount of ky jelly

1268
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: in the an Alien and and the sequels. Yeah, they

1269
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 2: just like they spray it on stuff. It's it's phrasing, uh,

1270
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 2: but yeah, they use a lot of these aliens too.

1271
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: The aliens have that side it's seek outer like exoskeleton,

1272
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 2: a layer, and then they're they're piloted by a little

1273
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 2: a little guy inside, which I love because I loved

1274
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 2: I love weird little guys. This was not in initially

1275
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 2: in the script. Patrick to Tatopoulos, who is the concept

1276
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 2: artist for this, drew two concepts and Emritt couldn't choose

1277
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 2: between them, so he combined them into both. And actually

1278
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 2: Bill Pullman went method for when he's like getting the

1279
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 2: telekinesis signal from the aliens, you just imagined that he

1280
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 2: was having a tooth extracted. Is there anything else about

1281
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 2: ky jelly.

1282
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: Or is it just that I think it was just

1283
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Speaker 1: that It's just that they because they were filming in

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01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: Las Vegas and in the desert. They had to reapply

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01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: it all the time, so they had to have a

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Speaker 1: lot of ky jelly.

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Speaker 2: Oh you got drums of it. It's like a diddy party.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of diddy party, wanna take us into the

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Speaker 1: peeing scene?

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01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 2: Yes, Will Smith's peeing scene. Devon says on the film's

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01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: commentary track that this scene had an almost quote Havolovian

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01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 2: effect on audios. He said that sarning some screenings, in

1293
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: that scene, people would run up and start going to

1294
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 2: the bathroom as if I guess they'd forgotten too before

1295
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 2: the movie and this reminded them of No.

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Speaker 1: But he's like, you know when your little kid you're

1297
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: trying to get parents are trying to get little kids

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01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: like use the toilet for the first time, They like

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01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: turn the sink. Well there's that too, but they like

1300
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: turn the sink on to try to like help sound

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01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: like trigger some kind of I know where you're going

1302
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: with this. Yeah, I think it's like that. Or it's

1303
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: like when you see somebody yawning, you kind of want

1304
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: to yawn too.

1305
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like a Now I saw that, Luther,

1306
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 2: It's like a great He's like interrogating a serial killer

1307
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 2: and Yahn's on purpose and lay in the room. He's like,

1308
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 2: see that, Yeah, she didn't associate path response. Okay.

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01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: Well, despite the plethora of practical effects, there was some

1310
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 1: early CGI used. During a press conference, Bill Pullman recalled

1311
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: the moment that they were asked to act like they

1312
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: were seeing a spaceship the size of Washington, DC, when

1313
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: in fact there was nothing there. He said, we all

1314
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 1: looked up at different things for fifteen minutes. We'd say,

1315
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: are you looking at the telephone pole or that little

1316
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: gray thing? Wait? What is that little gray thing? Love,

1317
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: Bill Pullman, what you've come around? But one thing that

1318
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: wasn't CGI Boomer, Will Smith's beautiful Labrador retriever. Will Smith's character,

1319
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,560
Speaker 1: I should say Boomer was a huge hit with test audiences,

1320
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: who screamed at the scene where Boomer cheats death with

1321
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: an expertly executed jump, which not how that works.

1322
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 2: Just imagine all the oxygen being sucked out of that

1323
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 2: tunnel at an incredibly high speed and all the living

1324
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,839
Speaker 2: creature's lungs at the same time, Because that's what happens.

1325
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,519
Speaker 2: You can't just jump into a side room away from

1326
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 2: a fireball. But you know, hey, sorry, I made you

1327
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 2: think of that.

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01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: With all things great and small, Dan Devil recalls, because

1329
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: we didn't get to meet the aliens or learn much

1330
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: about them, Yeah, we didn't. We wanted what they did

1331
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: to be so terrified and devastating that we would root

1332
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: for our heroes to defeat them. But no matter how

1333
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,839
Speaker 1: many people were to be killed or how many buildings

1334
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: were blown up, it never had the impact of this

1335
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: one simple dog running from the fire. People were more

1336
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: concerned about this dog than the millions of people in

1337
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,839
Speaker 1: the cities. That says a lot about us as a culture.

1338
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 2: Ranks for me, especially they're from La right. Yeah, I'll

1339
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: take the.

1340
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: Dog even more than a Labrador retriever. Another beloved figure

1341
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: in this film is, of course Jeff Goldbloom, who plays

1342
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: the man I were referred to only as science nerd.

1343
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: What is his name, like David Levison or something. All

1344
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 1: these names don't matter in.

1345
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: This glomos no names, no names, just imagine something as

1346
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 2: racist as but they gave jed.

1347
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: Hersh As we all know, Jeff Goldbloom can't be tamed,

1348
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: and much of his dialogue was improvised. According to the

1349
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: film's DVD commentary, director Role in Emeric and producer Dean

1350
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: Devlin said that Goldblooms exchanges with Hirsh and Will Smith,

1351
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: especially during the Alien Mothership mission, we're largely unscripted. This

1352
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:10,640
Speaker 1: improvisational approach extended to several comedic beats, including the now

1353
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 1: famous fat Lady routine. What is this fat lady? You're

1354
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: obsessed with the fat lady? It's very Seinfeld. That was

1355
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: all developed spontaneously on set. And he also ad libs

1356
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,640
Speaker 1: the muscle faster, muscle faster line, which was from his

1357
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: previous role in Jurassic Park when he was fleeing a

1358
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: t Rex on a jeep.

1359
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 2: Lib at that point, right, or he co opts going

1360
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 2: back to the well.

1361
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: Apparently this really pissed off Steven Spielberg.

1362
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it pisses people off when you add lib on

1363
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 2: their movies if you hadn't, Like I remember in his

1364
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 2: the Whole Reason, he he's an Annie Hall, right, he

1365
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 2: calls someone He's like, I got a cameo role in

1366
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,799
Speaker 2: Annie Hall where he like calls someone a Jack Napes,

1367
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 2: which was like a Shakespearean insult term, and Woody Allen

1368
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 2: was like, hell was that? Like that just came out

1369
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 2: of your head? Read the line written, and then I

1370
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: guess he ended up keeping it in. But yeah, Jeff

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01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,600
Speaker 2: Golblum was like, I've been reading Shakespeare or something and

1372
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 2: I picked up on that line the insult, so I

1373
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 2: decided to use it in any hall was.

1374
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: Hee the guy who like calls his gurus like I've

1375
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: forgotten my mantra or something like that.

1376
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 2: No, I think it's it's in one of the movie

1377
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 2: theater parts. I think it's a maybe it's someone standing

1378
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 2: in a long it's not quite the Marshall. I don't

1379
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 2: think it's the Marshall. Mclue here it is.

1380
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: I think it was during an audition.

1381
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 2: Okay.

1382
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: Filming was occasionally disrupted by laughter between Jeff Goldbloom and

1383
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 1: Will Smith. The google fits got so intense that the

1384
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 1: scene inside the alien spaceship had to be postponed for

1385
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: an entire day because the two actors couldn't stop laughing.

1386
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: Gobloom c I I agree, Golbloom told The Entertainment Weekly.

1387
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: We got into a laughing jag that was uncontrollable. Smith added,

1388
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: we just made a decision to give up our lives

1389
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 1: for the planet, and it was completely hilarious that Jeff

1390
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: Goldblum and Will Smith had to save the world. The

1391
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: pair got along extremely well. The first scene they shot

1392
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: was actually the one at the very end, when gold

1393
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: Bloom and Smith stroll triumphally across the desert after they

1394
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: saved the world, smoking their victory cigars. That detail really

1395
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 1: bothered a DARE officer at my school, and honestly it

1396
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of bothered me too. But it bothered Jeff Goldblue

1397
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: most of all because you couldn't handle the smoke. Even

1398
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 1: if you don't inhale, it gets in you, he said,

1399
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: and that gave him a queasy feeling to assist yes

1400
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,640
Speaker 1: an assistant director to puff the cigar up until the

1401
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: moment Emmeritt called action to complete the scene. Will Smith

1402
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 1: also got into the improv.

1403
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: Do you remember when in Will Smith's Miami when he

1404
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 2: says a Cuban cigar, I don't light it just for

1405
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 2: the look. I just bite it a cigar. I don't

1406
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 2: light it because my mom and grandma told me I'd

1407
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 2: to swear just for the look. I just bite it.

1408
01:13:58,320 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 2: What are jack of napes?

1409
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: Will Smith also got in on the improv case in

1410
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 1: point the moment when he's dragging an alien carcass through

1411
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,759
Speaker 1: the desert bellowing, and what the hell is that smell?

1412
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 1: At it? That line wasn't in the script. The production

1413
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: was filming in the Great Salt Lake, and Smith was

1414
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,839
Speaker 1: reacting to the stench of millions of dead and decaying

1415
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: Brian shrimp that had sunk below the surface.

1416
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty three degrees out out there. What

1417
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

1418
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 1: Wowhi, I know how much I love large plane. Do

1419
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: you want to talk about big speech?

1420
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 2: Oh? Boy, well, I do love this speech speech, it's

1421
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 2: what it's the best. Oh. A lot of the films,

1422
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 2: the exterior shots of Area fifty one were filmed at

1423
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,520
Speaker 2: Utah's historic Wendover Airfield.

1424
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: And is that the same place where they filmed the

1425
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: speech for you know, the President's speech? Oh cool?

1426
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 2: And do you know what it was?

1427
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 3: The former home of I do, but I don't think

1428
01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 3: the folks do. Yes, that's correct, Tell the folks no. Oh, yes,

1429
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 3: went over.

1430
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 2: Airfield, formerly home of the Inola Gay. Another a bit

1431
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 2: on the nose of having a potent symbol of filming

1432
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 2: your thing where America is the little guy? The home

1433
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 2: of America flexing a display of horrific, unimaginable power that

1434
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 2: gets made an entire country.

1435
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: Well, tell them what the Anola Gay is, the bomber

1436
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: that dropped the atomic bomb, the first atomic bomb he

1437
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: used in war time on Hiroshima during World War Two.

1438
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 1: But the craziest part was they filmed the speech in

1439
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: front of the hangar where the Anola Gay was kept

1440
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: on the fiftieth anniversary of dropping the bomb. They filmed

1441
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 1: it on August sixth, nineteen ninety five.

1442
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 2: Oh, Hollywood, don't ever change. You're just perfect what you are.

1443
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:57,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that speech.

1444
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 2: God bless Complex who did an entire old history of

1445
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 2: just that speech, including for some reason interviewing Bill Clinton's

1446
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: former speech writer Michael Waldman.

1447
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 1: That's correct.

1448
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 2: All Devlin kind of said is it would be great

1449
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 2: if we could do a kind of Saint Crispin's Day

1450
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 2: speech of like the king rallying his troops. And then

1451
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 2: Devlin recalls Roland turning back to him and saying, oh, great,

1452
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 2: we only have to write a speech as great as

1453
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 2: the Saint Crispin's Day speech. This is from Henry the Fifth.

1454
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 2: It's one of the most famous shakespeare In speeches of

1455
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 2: all time. You know there's a direct callback to it

1456
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 2: because Henry the fifth says, this day is called the

1457
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 2: Feast of Saint Crispy, and he that outlives this day

1458
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 2: comes home safe, will stand a tiptoe when this day

1459
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 2: is named. And he says, the whole speech is when

1460
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 2: the American prison says July fourth will no longer be

1461
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 2: known as an American holiday. I'm getting goosebumps right now. Yeah,

1462
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 2: so Devlin said he wrote it in five minutes, saying, well,

1463
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 2: we can always change that, and then Emeric continued, instead

1464
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 2: of Bill Pulman, you know, builds such a and he

1465
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 2: knew in a weird way what he had to play.

1466
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 2: When we talked about the very beginning of the film,

1467
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 2: he said, I'm going to play this president a little

1468
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 2: bit like a John Wayne figure, maybe a little bit

1469
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 2: of insure of himself, but at the end he's very

1470
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 2: sure what he has to do. And so it's important

1471
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 2: for the character because earlier in the film people are

1472
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 2: talking about the criticism that he got them pressed they

1473
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 2: what did he say? They elected a warrior and they

1474
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 2: got a win something like that. Because he was a

1475
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: former Air Force pilot. Remember, so Bill Polman started doing

1476
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 2: research and had a collection of great speeches from the

1477
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,040
Speaker 2: twentieth century. One of them was Robert Kennedy's speech two

1478
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 2: minutes after he'd been informed that Martin Luther had been shot.

1479
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that speech is incredible, right after MLKA was shot. Really,

1480
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 1: it's just totally off the top of his head. It's

1481
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: really amazing.

1482
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 2: Devil said. I came running to the set the day

1483
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 2: was supposed to film and panic, thinking, this see is

1484
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 2: a scene we were supposed to spend weeks on. You

1485
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 2: never got around to it. And then when I got there,

1486
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 2: they were already rehearsing the speech. I was so nervous

1487
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 2: about it. But when he got to the end of

1488
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 2: the speech, all the extras went crazy and screaming. I

1489
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: looked Roland, he looked at me and were like, I

1490
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 2: guess this is pretty darn good. Bill Pullman does not

1491
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 2: recall being given very much direction. This was a night shoot,

1492
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 2: so everyone was a little bit, you know, crazy. He said,

1493
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot of discussion about give me more

1494
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 2: or do less. The next night after shooting, Pullman said,

1495
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 2: it seemed like Dean came into my trailer. We were

1496
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 2: shooting nights. We were still in the White House set,

1497
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 2: and he brought in a VHS and said take a

1498
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 2: look at this. It was a quick edit of the speech,

1499
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 2: and he said it didn't change that much from the

1500
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,759
Speaker 2: first edit rolland Emerick added it was never really recut.

1501
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 2: The only thing they added was an insert shot over

1502
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 2: anybody in the kids. Bill Pullman later goes on to

1503
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 2: describe its capra esque kind of engagement with humanity Vivica A. Fox.

1504
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 2: I got chills when he delivered it. People do it

1505
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 2: at weddings, they do it at bars. Oh yeah. And

1506
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 2: the speech is one of the things that helped name

1507
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 2: the movie, I should say, because Fox was considering pushing

1508
01:18:54,400 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 2: the title Doomsday onto Independence Day and so it probably

1509
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 2: would have sucked. So it was urgent to get the

1510
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:06,479
Speaker 2: words today we celebrate our Independence Day, to make it

1511
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 2: a lynch pin of the speech and they could hang

1512
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 2: a movie title on it.

1513
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 1: Well. Part of the problem was that the title Independence

1514
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:17,360
Speaker 1: Day was actually already owned by another studio, Warner Brothers,

1515
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 1: who made a movie in nineteen eighty three, which is

1516
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: about an artist living in a small town or some

1517
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: like you know, Norman Rockwell type tale. It had made

1518
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: less than one hundred and fifty thousand dollars at the

1519
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: box office, so this was not much of a success,

1520
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,759
Speaker 1: but still they owned the title. Fox suggested that Emeric

1521
01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: and Devilon changed the title of their movie too, as

1522
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: you said, Doomsday Invasion or Sky on Fire, all of

1523
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 1: which are terrible.

1524
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 2: One on Fire, Fire in the Sky is the is

1525
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 2: an abduction movie that like traumatizes people with its probing scene.

1526
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but as you mentioned, once they inserted the

1527
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 1: phrase Independence Day into the speech, they helped convince Fox

1528
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,760
Speaker 1: Execs that that needed to be the title, and so

1529
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: they engaged in a two week long legal battle with

1530
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,040
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers in order to win the rights to the

1531
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: film's name. And they also wanted to have the name

1532
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: the Independence Day so that they could secure that release

1533
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,879
Speaker 1: date on the fourth of July, thus beating Mars attacks

1534
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: to the big screen. Tim Burton got cold feet and

1535
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: moved his movie release from August to December of nineteen

1536
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: ninety six, when it bombed and no one ever spoke

1537
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: of it again.

1538
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: Did you want to mention the Spruce Goose? Oh?

1539
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. Speaking of historical hangars as I so

1540
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: often do. The hangars where many of the models and

1541
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: miniatures were made for this production was the hangar where

1542
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,560
Speaker 1: Howard Hughes built his famous Spruce Goose aircraft in the

1543
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: late forties.

1544
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 2: The funniest thing about that Bullman speech is that Royal

1545
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 2: Emerick is so convinced that George W. Bush saw it.

1546
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 2: At some point it was like, I'm stealing that did

1547
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 2: the air for the mission accomplished on the USS Abraham Lincoln.

1548
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: I spent probably about twenty minutes this afternoon trying to

1549
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 1: seek out the whereabouts of that mission accomplished banner. Apparently, Well,

1550
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 1: I was like, is this in the Smithsonian? Apparently it's

1551
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 1: still in the possession of the US Navy at an

1552
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 1: undisclosed location, but they recognized its historical significance and it's

1553
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: being preserved for future generations. We're gonna take a quick break,

1554
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 1: but we'll be right back with more too much information

1555
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: in just a moment. Here's an interesting fact on the

1556
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 1: score to this movie that I couldn't really find any

1557
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 1: other place for, but here you go. Composer David Arnold

1558
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: wrote some of the music cues literally on location with

1559
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: the crew. Yeah, it sounds about right, he told the

1560
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: outlet Sci Fi Bulletin. I got sent the script and

1561
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: started sending in my ideas and themes right from the

1562
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 1: start before they'd even shot. I was on the set

1563
01:21:59,880 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: with them when they were shooting, writing some of the

1564
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 1: music on the set and getting the people in the

1565
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 1: shot to do certain things that were composed. That's interesting,

1566
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:08,640
Speaker 1: it's not.

1567
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: He also did Jesus. He did five James Bond movies. Man,

1568
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 2: I was wrong. He's done a lot. None of it's

1569
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:15,599
Speaker 2: very good.

1570
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: What Bomb movies he.

1571
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 2: Did ninety seven to two thousand and eight.

1572
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: So oh, you can see Royale.

1573
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 2: I think he stopped. No, I think he stopped at

1574
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 2: that point, unless.

1575
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: Well, let me see Royal was six and quants On

1576
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: wasoe eight.

1577
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 2: No, yeah, you're right. Sorry. He did Stargate, he did Godzilla.

1578
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:37,559
Speaker 2: He did Shaft Too Fast Too, Furious four Brothers starring

1579
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 2: Mark Rohlberg, Tyrese Gibson, Andre three thousand and Garrett Hedlund

1580
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 2: as the titular Brothers. He got a Grammy for Independence Day.

1581
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: I can't sing a single second of that soundtrack. Yeah.

1582
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:53,839
Speaker 1: No, Well, as you mentioned at the top of the episode,

1583
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: Rolling Emeric and Dean Devil and were extremely hands on

1584
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: with the marketing for Independence Day because they'd had such

1585
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: a bad experience with the ad positioning for Stargate. The

1586
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 1: previous movie. At their instigation, Fox pioneered the approach of

1587
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 1: buying a Super Bowl ad, even though the release was

1588
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: about half a year off, for the princely fee of

1589
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: one point three million dollars and that's in ninety six dollars.

1590
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: They aired a now legendary teaser that depicted the White

1591
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 1: House explosion scene, followed with the ominous tagline enjoy the

1592
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: super Bowl, it may be your last, followed by the

1593
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: words the world ends July fourth. That's great, that's some

1594
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: great marketing. This was truly sorry.

1595
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 2: Did you get the O. J. Simpson thing in here?

1596
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 2: From now reporter?

1597
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 1: Huh uh?

1598
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: This is a quote from Bill Pullman. They were standing

1599
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 2: around their base camp waiting for a shot when the

1600
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 2: verdict to the OJ Simpson trial was announced, and so

1601
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 2: people were walking around and all these small groups know

1602
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 2: it's talking like literally they announced the verdict when they

1603
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 2: knocked on the door. He says, it's all quiet and

1604
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 2: set still waiting, so quiet, waiting for Roland. And then

1605
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 2: Will Smith just goes standing out here with a lot

1606
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 2: of angry white folks, which he says, the whole set

1607
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 2: first in the laughter. So I did I did have

1608
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 2: to give him that one's that's fun.

1609
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, these ads were truly groundbreaking in the world

1610
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: of movie promotion, paving the way for grassroots stuff like

1611
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: Cloverfield and eight and other gorilla marketing tactics. I know

1612
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 1: this wasn't really gorilla, but still is that sense of

1613
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: like the slow burn in advance of the movie. Unfortunately,

1614
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 1: one of these groundbreaking ads caused a bit of mass hysteria.

1615
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: You're gonna get a little bit of mass hysteria with

1616
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: these campaigns. That's just that's the cost of doing business.

1617
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: As you mentioned at the top of the episode, the

1618
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: plot of Independence Day borrows heavily from HG. Wells War

1619
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: of the Worlds, and so the producers for Independence Day

1620
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: decided to borrow from the legendary nineteen thirty eight Mercury

1621
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 1: Players radio play of War of the World's, starring and

1622
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: directed by Orson Wells, no relation to HG. Framed is

1623
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: a series of increasingly frantic news bulletins and direupting a

1624
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 1: dance music program. The broadcast described a Martian invasion of

1625
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: Earth unfolding in real time, beginning with strange explosions on

1626
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:13,439
Speaker 1: Mars in the sky and culminating an alien tripod machines

1627
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: wreaking havoc across New Jersey and New York, and though

1628
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 1: the program was prefaced with a disclaimer stating that it

1629
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: was a work of fiction, many listeners tuned in late

1630
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,759
Speaker 1: and believed the events were real, leading to widespread panic

1631
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: in some parts of the country. The aftermath of the

1632
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: broadcast was immediate and intense. Newspapers reported cases of terrified

1633
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 1: citizens fleeing their homes, jamming highways, and overwhelming police stations

1634
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 1: with calls. While later scholarship has questioned the extent of

1635
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,360
Speaker 1: the hysteria, suggesting that the panic may have been exaggerated

1636
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 1: by the press, which viewed radio as a growing competitor,

1637
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 1: it remains one of the most infamous moments in broadcast history.

1638
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: And then, unfortunately, this sort of happened again with Independence Day,

1639
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: a fake news spot in Spain caused a real life

1640
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 1: World of World style panic when footage of the film's

1641
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,840
Speaker 1: massive ships hovering over New York at the airwaves. A

1642
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 1: label at the bottom of the screen read advertisement, But

1643
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:14,719
Speaker 1: according to one ad executive, apparently people can't watch footage, listen,

1644
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: and read at the same time. Enjoy your first week

1645
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 1: on the job, man like yeah exactly. The innovative promo

1646
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: continued with a half hour special on the film, which

1647
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 1: aired on Fox a week before the film's release, which

1648
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: again featured copious amounts of spoof footage and also stars

1649
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,799
Speaker 1: Jeff Goldbloom, Bill Pullman, and Brett Spiner, along with twentieth

1650
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: Century Fox Studio Brass journey to the town of Rachel, Nevada,

1651
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 1: the closest inhabited place to Area fifty one, to join

1652
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 1: the then governor who declared the ninety eight mile two

1653
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 1: lane stretch of State Route three seventy five quote the

1654
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:55,719
Speaker 1: Extraterrestrial Highway. In honor of the occasion, a time capsule

1655
01:26:55,800 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 1: was buried nearby, not far from the Little Aay Inn restaurant,

1656
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: bar and motel, which I visited during the storming of

1657
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: Area fifty one in twenty nineteen. Rachel, Nevada. I think

1658
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: it's like population eight or something. Hell yeah, oh yeah.

1659
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: Independence Day was released on July third, Psich, nineteen ninety six.

1660
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 1: It earned three hundred and six million dollars domestically and

1661
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: eight hundred and seventeen million dollars internationally, making it the

1662
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:31,479
Speaker 1: second highest grossing movie of all time up to that point.

1663
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 1: Like Jurassic Park was the top back then. That total

1664
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 1: was reportedly more than all of the films released in

1665
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five by Sony Universal and Paramount combined. Devilin

1666
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 1: knew he had lightning in a bottle during an early

1667
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: test screening, the film and audio was out of sync,

1668
01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:50,920
Speaker 1: leading to a lengthy delay, but the crowd cheered for

1669
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 1: ten minutes straight as technicians worked strenuously to get it

1670
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 1: all working again. According to Emeric, Spielberg paid them a

1671
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: visit soon after the film's release and said, you guys

1672
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: change something. There's something different now. Everybody is to see

1673
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: a summer movie differently. He also claimed that Spielberg told

1674
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: them that they were changing the script to Jurassic Park

1675
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,799
Speaker 1: Lost World, which is already in production.

1676
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, shut up, German guy, Like, you can

1677
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 2: tell Stephen Spielberger to put that quote in his mouth, Jaws, Jaws.

1678
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg gonna be like, Oh, he came and told

1679
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 2: us that we flipped the script on making blockbusters in Hollywood,

1680
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:31,799
Speaker 2: German putts.

1681
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: He also claimed that Spielberg offered some sobering advice. Enjoy it,

1682
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: they claim, he said, because in six months they're going

1683
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 1: to turn on you in six months, they're not going

1684
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 1: to remember the movie. They're just going to remember the hype,

1685
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: all the toys, the commercialization of your films, but they're

1686
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 1: gonna forget the film itself. He was right about that,

1687
01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 1: That's exactly he said. I thought that was sour grapes.

1688
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: But six months later we're being called everything that's wrong

1689
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: with Hollywood. All that year headline were the year of

1690
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: the independent film, because all the movies nominated for Oscars

1691
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: were independent movies. But the reality is when these movies

1692
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: do well, the studios are flush, and when they're flush,

1693
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 1: they're willing to take chances on more interesting films. In Europe,

1694
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: it was so misunderstood. The American government throughout the years

1695
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 1: has angered eighty percent of Europe. So by the time

1696
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: our movie came out, every single place I went to

1697
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,080
Speaker 1: promote the movie, the first question was, don't you think

1698
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: this movie is promoting the idea that America is the

1699
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:35,360
Speaker 1: world's policeman. Interestingly, independence, they face backlash and censorship in Lebanon.

1700
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 4: Oh Interestingly, Jordan during the nineties piece talks we're seeing

1701
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:47,480
Speaker 4: David scene. Sorry, that's interesting that it was a coincidence

1702
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 4: that Lebanon didn't like that movie.

1703
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it shows them digging ditches aside next to the

1704
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 2: idea or whatever.

1705
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. They did not like the scene with a Hebrew

1706
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 1: prayer and the scene where Israeli troops are cooperating with

1707
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:03,799
Speaker 1: air forces, and both scenes were cut. The Los Angeles

1708
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Times criticized the film for leaning on stereotypes, as we

1709
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, including his betrayals of Jews, gays, scientists, alcoholics,

1710
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,799
Speaker 1: and Los Angeles residents. In Lebanon, however, reactions are more severe.

1711
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:19,640
Speaker 1: Hesbla condemned the movie as quote propaganda for the so

1712
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 1: called genius of the Jews and called for a boycott.

1713
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 1: Despite this, Lebanon became the film's second largest Middle Eastern

1714
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: market after Israel. Reflecting on the controversy, Jeff Goldwin remarked

1715
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: that Hesbula missed the film's broader message of global unity

1716
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:40,639
Speaker 1: and teamwork across religious and national lines.

1717
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just want to point out how wrong Dean

1718
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 2: Devlin is. When blockbuster movies do well, the studios are

1719
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 2: flush and they're willing to take chances on more interesting films.

1720
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 2: That's not true anymore, buddy.

1721
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: Was it true in thatteen ninety six I mean.

1722
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 2: Maybe more so. I think that used to be the conventionalisdom,

1723
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:00,519
Speaker 2: conventional wisdom. But now the big blockbuster film cost so

1724
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 2: much that they got to make a billion dollars. They

1725
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 2: cost so much that they have to you know, do

1726
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,960
Speaker 2: anything and every just like that Indian Jones movie. And

1727
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 2: the most reason Andian and Jones had to make like

1728
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 2: a billion dollars just employee even, you know, and they

1729
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,559
Speaker 2: sure aren't funding many more. A whole bunch of creative,

1730
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 2: independent character driven in dramas these days, so but hey,

1731
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 2: it is really for variety. Todd McCarthy described Independence Day

1732
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 2: as the biggest b movie ever made accurate and the

1733
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 2: mother of all doomsday dramas. A spectacularly scaled mikes of

1734
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 2: fifty style Alien Invader, science fiction, seventies disaster epics and

1735
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 2: all seasoned gung ho military action era, this airborne leviathan

1736
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 2: features a bunch of agreeably cardboard characters saving the human

1737
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 2: race from massive termination in a way that proves as

1738
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:50,679
Speaker 2: unavoidably entertaining as it is hopelessly cornballe Do they getting

1739
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 2: paid by the syllable? But what McCarthy, that's all correct,

1740
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 2: by the way, But what McCarthy called a quote definitive

1741
01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 2: popcorn picture also ultimately became an Academy Award winner, with

1742
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 2: hair vocal or Angel Douglas Smith, Clay Penny, and Joseph Fisokill,

1743
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 2: earning the prize for Best Visual Effects. Has acknowledged, however,

1744
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:13,519
Speaker 2: that there are aspects of Independence Day he's entirely happy with.

1745
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 2: Put it out that plot hinges on several major coincidences,

1746
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 2: with characters conveniently crossing paths in the middle of an

1747
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 2: alien devastated healscape. Still, he maintains that these contrivances are

1748
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,679
Speaker 2: not a major flaw, noting that the film is ultimately

1749
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 2: meant to be quote a fable, a fable. Do you

1750
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 2: think it's a fable?

1751
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 1: It's a popcorn movie, hey, yeah, and a damn good one.

1752
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 2: I know, it really is so good. Yeah, literally the

1753
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 2: only movie to ever like make me. There's two things

1754
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,680
Speaker 2: that make me flash my American signals and it's that

1755
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 2: and whenever the British start talking about us.

1756
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:48,680
Speaker 1: Uh.

1757
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 2: One fan of the film, among many millions, was a

1758
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 2: little guy you may know called the President of the

1759
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 2: United States at the time, William what's his middle name?

1760
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jefferson Jefferson, Oh yeah, William Jefferson, Jonathan Clinton.

1761
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,439
Speaker 1: He's kind of like permanently the president in my mind,

1762
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, like he got in at like that point

1763
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:13,520
Speaker 1: in my in my consciousness.

1764
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,719
Speaker 2: If you have a stroke and we're like and we're like, Jordan,

1765
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:20,400
Speaker 2: who's the president, You're like Bill Clinton, I'm he's clear, yes, yeah,

1766
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 2: uh so. American his grew were on a press tour

1767
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 2: in these states when suddenly a bunch of men in

1768
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 2: suits arrived to call an end to their day. When

1769
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:32,040
Speaker 2: the director asked what was going on, one of the

1770
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 2: men told him, you have to stop now. There's a

1771
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:37,520
Speaker 2: jet waiting to take you to the White House. The Clintons,

1772
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 2: the aforementioned William John and Hillary j Jay Swank, wanted

1773
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 2: a private viewing of the film. Bill Pulman recalled his

1774
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 2: real life counterpart, inviting him to take a seat in

1775
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 2: front of him in the screening room. It was a

1776
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,600
Speaker 2: terrible nerve wrecking experience because you can't go, am I

1777
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,560
Speaker 2: good in this part, Holman recalled. I was waiting for

1778
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:00,600
Speaker 2: him to do that, to.

1779
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 1: Say you were you were very presidential here, Wow, that's nice,

1780
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: that's or something, But none of that happened.

1781
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 2: Emeric would describe the moment as completely surreal to watch

1782
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 2: the White House blowing up inside the White House the

1783
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,679
Speaker 2: most unreal moment of my career. He would recall Hillary

1784
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 2: approaching him and saying, well, it looks like Bill has

1785
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 2: to get his pilot license. Sorry to her Men's regret.

1786
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 2: Vivica A Fox could not make the screening. But Bill

1787
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 2: Clinton never forgets a pretty face, and he strode up

1788
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 2: to k A Fox at an event and told her,

1789
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 2: I loved you an Independence Day of Vivica. It's like

1790
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:40,040
Speaker 2: my favorite John Mulaney bit about like his mom talking

1791
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 2: about meeting Bill Clinton on like the steps of the

1792
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 2: library at their like at University of Arkansas or whatever.

1793
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 2: When he was a kid. They went to some like

1794
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:56,560
Speaker 2: Chicago era, like fundraiser for Bill Clinton or whatever. I

1795
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 2: think his dad was like razing her for like Bill

1796
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 2: Clinton doesn't remember you or whatever, and sure enough they

1797
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 2: like get up and she's like mister Clinton, and he's like, oh,

1798
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 2: hey Hill whatever her name is, Oh hey Beth, great

1799
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:11,559
Speaker 2: to see you again. A Milanie's punchline is because Bill

1800
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 2: Clinton never forgets a bit. Then of course nine to

1801
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:20,400
Speaker 2: eleven happened, and then several years went by. Is that accurate.

1802
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's chronologically accurate.

1803
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 2: Yes. Bill Devon said that after September eleventh, there were

1804
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,400
Speaker 2: a lot of interviews where Roland emeric and he did

1805
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 2: because the imagery looked so familiar, and they were doing

1806
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:34,519
Speaker 2: interviews about it and saying that reframing it and saying

1807
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:37,320
Speaker 2: that the more interesting story of Independence Day is how

1808
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 2: the world comes together in the aftermath. And then Dean

1809
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 2: Devlin continues saying things like how people who had been

1810
01:35:44,120 --> 01:35:48,640
Speaker 2: arguing stopped arguing and started working together. I think our

1811
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 2: world did the same thing shortly before September eleventh. China

1812
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:54,680
Speaker 2: was suddenly our enemy and there was a huge war

1813
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 2: of words between us in China. Right after September eleventh,

1814
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 2: we're holding hands trying to fight hair together. I think

1815
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 2: a lot of Americans were doing that, dumbass.

1816
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 1: I won't say.

1817
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,120
Speaker 2: Anyway, they made a sequel then after nine to eleven,

1818
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 2: in defiance of God and man, they made a sequel

1819
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 2: Independence Day. So yes, that's right, folks. It's called what

1820
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 2: was it called ID, It's just called ID four two,

1821
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:21,360
Speaker 2: ID forty two.

1822
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 1: I think it's all an Independence Day resurgence. I think

1823
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:28,720
Speaker 1: it's a dance stay Resurgence, Synergy.

1824
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 2: Emeric's Old Empire magazine. I never planned to make sequel.

1825
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:36,559
Speaker 2: I always felt that Independence Day was a standalone film.

1826
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 2: But over the years I realized how iconic the film

1827
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 2: had become for people, and I was repeatedly asked by

1828
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 2: twentieth Century Fox to do it. That's just Werner Herd

1829
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 2: salg I like the original. The idea for the sequel

1830
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 2: reportedly came to genius at Large Dean Devlin during a

1831
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 2: press junket interview. He does all his best thinking on jumping,

1832
01:36:57,640 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 2: he said. Roland and I've always said that we didn't

1833
01:36:59,240 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 2: want to do a sequel. To just do a sequel

1834
01:37:01,200 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 2: of that movie, it meant a lot to us, and

1835
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 2: we thought if we ever did one, it would have

1836
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:06,640
Speaker 2: to be as as original to the first film as

1837
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 2: James Cameron's Aliens was to the first one. So we

1838
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 2: put a pretty high standard on what kind of story

1839
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 2: we would do. We didn't want to just remake the

1840
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 2: first movie again. But post nine to eleven, he began

1841
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 2: saying things like, we started thinking about how the world

1842
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 2: came together, and a story popped up, and Roland and

1843
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:27,799
Speaker 2: I got very excited and said, wait a minute, finally

1844
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 2: out of the ashes of nine to eleven, we have

1845
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:34,120
Speaker 2: a pitch for our Independence Day sequel. I'm paraphrasing, of course.

1846
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 2: So they this is a quote from two thousand and

1847
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 2: two that mentioned they were developing a story and then

1848
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 2: sometime in the next year we can write it down

1849
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:44,559
Speaker 2: as a script, and if the script comes out good,

1850
01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 2: we will definitely do the sequel. So Devlin and Emeriic

1851
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 2: made Godzilla the Patriot eight Legged Freaks together, and then

1852
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 2: Emmeriic finally broke with him. Things went sour after they

1853
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 2: don't have Mexico anymore. I'll just say that. And then

1854
01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 2: Emeric broke and went and did The Day After Tomorrow

1855
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 2: in White House down. But plans for a proposed seek

1856
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 2: A trilogy, My gosh, plans were proposed trilogy finally got

1857
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,679
Speaker 2: off the ground, and in twenty sixteen, twenty years after

1858
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 2: the original, they released Independence Day, Sinsurgeons, Independence Day, The

1859
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:25,480
Speaker 2: Force Awakens, Independence Day, The Rise of Harry Connick Junior.

1860
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 1: Independence Day, Boomer's Back and We're Back.

1861
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:36,000
Speaker 2: I'm back boys, or Hello Boys, Independence Day colon ID four,

1862
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 2: colon two, colon Hello boys, I'm back.

1863
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: Look who's back too, Look Who's.

1864
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 2: Talking now to Independence Day, and it's just the alien

1865
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 2: choking Brent Spiner beneath Independence Day, beneath the planet of

1866
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 2: the Independence Day. Escape from beneath the planet Independence Stay

1867
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 2: two ID four to two, Independence harder day, harder, A

1868
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 2: good day, Independent stayed four to two, A good day

1869
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 2: to die hard. And then they get John McLean in

1870
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:09,439
Speaker 2: there because Bruce, you know, Bruce was they were just

1871
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:11,360
Speaker 2: pushing him around and putting a gun over his hands.

1872
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 2: By that too soon, Hollywood. Anyway, it was twenty sixteen,

1873
01:39:17,720 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 2: and the movie also sucked. It starred the lesser Hemsworth. Yeah,

1874
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 2: it made half as much money as the original film,

1875
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 2: and it did not make back its production budget. So

1876
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 2: obviously they did not do a third one. Of course,

1877
01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 2: now Disney owns Fox, and this might be the exact

1878
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:41,360
Speaker 2: piece of that they're looking to throw money at instead

1879
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 2: of you know whatever else. You're the one who said

1880
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 2: you can't reheat a sooup fle.

1881
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,520
Speaker 1: I think Paul McCartney said that in relation to reuniting

1882
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 1: the Beatles. But I did write that, yes, do you

1883
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: want to do that again?

1884
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 2: No?

1885
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 1: I thought that was fine.

1886
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, what did you do for Independence State Jordan?

1887
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 1: I actually went down to the Brooklyn waterfront and watched

1888
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:10,280
Speaker 1: the fireworks at the Brooklyn Bridge, which was kind of

1889
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 1: look like a disaster area because you had to get

1890
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:15,720
Speaker 1: their hours early and we were still like walking home

1891
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:17,240
Speaker 1: at like one p thirty. But it was fun.

1892
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 2: Oh you had a good time, though wholesome, I know.

1893
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1894
01:40:22,600 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 2: I a friend of a friend of Loew's actually through

1895
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,639
Speaker 2: a fiftieth birthday party to Jaws, the movie.

1896
01:40:28,840 --> 01:40:30,960
Speaker 1: That's awesome and the character.

1897
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:34,559
Speaker 2: So I watched Jaws on fourth of July as God.

1898
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 1: Intended it to be.

1899
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 2: And that puts a neat little bow on this story

1900
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 2: because Steven Spielberg did not tell Roland Emerick you changed

1901
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 2: the game. Thank you for listening. This has been too

1902
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 2: much information. After dark tonight, this will be our Independence

1903
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 2: Day tonight, Robert Loggio will be our Independence Day. Oh,

1904
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 2: this is hilarious. This is my case. The scene where

1905
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 2: a wounded alien is shot in the head at point

1906
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:06,160
Speaker 2: blank range was not in the script and was added

1907
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 2: at the last minute. And this was done after test

1908
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,600
Speaker 2: audience's notes that the aliens were not suffering enough, to

1909
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 2: which I say, that's America. Let me see there's a

1910
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 2: fun line that I can go out with. Let me

1911
01:41:22,160 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 2: see what did you do? You have any lines you

1912
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 2: wanted to see that you like, you think would make

1913
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 2: a good kicker.

1914
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 1: You actually wrote this, not off top of my head,

1915
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 1: but let me check.

1916
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 2: For Oh here's something that's cool. The world saved by

1917
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 2: two Pennsylvania natives, Jeff Goldbloom from Pittsburgh and Will Smith

1918
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia. Oh yeah, So on this anniversary of Independence Day,

1919
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:49,760
Speaker 2: I would like to say from Pennsylvania, you're welcome Earth.

1920
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 2: You can use that one if you want. Let me

1921
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 2: find it, let you find it, let me find it.

1922
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:55,720
Speaker 1: Some quotes, higo. I would just like to say, must

1923
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:57,480
Speaker 1: go faster, must go faster.

1924
01:41:58,280 --> 01:41:59,800
Speaker 2: Must go faster, must go faster.

1925
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 1: We will not go quietly into the night. We will

1926
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: not vanish without a fuss.

1927
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:06,200
Speaker 2: This will be our Independence Day.

1928
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm hearing the fat lady.

1929
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 2: I'm hearing the fat lady. They're chasing us. You think.

1930
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:16,639
Speaker 1: Next time without the oops?

1931
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 2: Oh no, you did not just shoot that green me.

1932
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:23,800
Speaker 1: He does not say.

1933
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 2: He does not say welcome to Earth, as people have racistly,

1934
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 2: racistly attributed to him. I would like to pint out.

1935
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 1: We just welcome to Earth. Oh yeah, yes, it's.

1936
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 2: Been turned into like aave online because people.

1937
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I didn't know. I can hear him say

1938
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 1: earth very clearly in my mind's ear.

1939
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 2: Okay, well enough with the virtue signal. I would like

1940
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:49,120
Speaker 2: to go out by saying I have got to get

1941
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:49,960
Speaker 2: me one of these.

1942
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: And I am just wondering what the hell is that smell?

1943
01:42:54,040 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 2: Ah, this has been too much information. I'm the guy,

1944
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:57,639
Speaker 2: I'm the other guy.

1945
01:42:58,000 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 1: Times up.

1946
01:42:58,840 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 2: Oh I thought you were cutting me.

1947
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:01,599
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, that's what he says.

1948
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 2: No more kickers for you. This is you've made a

1949
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 2: hash of this. Yeah, you're Jordan, Jordan your Jordan run.

1950
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:11,799
Speaker 1: Talk and I helped.

1951
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:14,639
Speaker 2: And we'll catch you next time. Sorry it's been.

1952
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 1: So late, and I'm Jordan run Talk. We'll catch you

1953
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 1: next time.

1954
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:21,320
Speaker 2: Love to give you options, just love to give you options.

1955
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 1: Lots to work with, lots to work with.

1956
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 2: Just have fun with it.

1957
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 1: Too Much Information was a production of iHeart Radio.

1958
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:35,519
Speaker 2: The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtalk.

1959
01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:38,519
Speaker 1: The show's supervising producer is Michael Alder June.

1960
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:39,360
Speaker 2: The show was.

1961
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Speaker 1: Researched, written, and hosted by Jordan run Talk and Alex Heigel,

1962
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 1: with original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost Funk Orchestra.

1963
01:43:46,479 --> 01:43:48,519
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1965
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:54,840
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1966
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1967
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