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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance head Day.

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Speaker 1: I'm joining with John White of Northwest spur Chasers. John

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Speaker 1: served thirty five years in the military doing military aviation work.

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Speaker 1: He's originally from the Northwest Hardwoods of Connecticut, where he

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Speaker 1: started hunting at the young age of ten. He moved

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Speaker 1: to Washington twenty eight years ago and started hunting turkey

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Speaker 1: shortly thereafter, and he's never really looked back. He's had

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Speaker 1: died in the Wool Mountain turkey hunter with a running

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Speaker 1: gun style of chasing and setting up on gobbling birds

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Speaker 1: and prefers. This one hundred to one over out of

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Speaker 1: a blind or pattern turkeys. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: John, Hey, how's it going on, Jason, Good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Good good. We're only about two months away from opening

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Speaker 1: day here and it's getting close.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The countdown is rolling and everybody's comptable.

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Speaker 1: How I mean, you're over there more than I am.

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Speaker 1: How was the hatch last year? Everything looking good, numbers

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Speaker 1: looking good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the hatch actually was pretty decent. Birds are actually

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Speaker 2: strutting and moving up already amazingly because we just don't

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Speaker 2: have much snow, so that's great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, these these Mountain Meriams that we hunted together

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Speaker 1: last year. They love to be at that snow line.

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Speaker 1: They love to be at the top of the mountain

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Speaker 1: if the weather and the food sources let them. So

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Speaker 1: I imagine this year even more so than last year,

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Speaker 1: we're going to be apply chasing birds.

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Speaker 2: Oh I sure hope. So looking forward to let them

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Speaker 2: spread out a little bit before everybody else shows up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect, perfect. So we're gonna start today's episode like

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Speaker 1: we do on all of our Cutting the Distance, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna take some question and answers from you know, our

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Speaker 1: our listeners, our users, Phelps game Calls customers, and if

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Speaker 1: you want to submit any questions of your own, feel

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Speaker 1: free to email us at CTD at Phelps game Calls

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Speaker 1: dot com or send us a social media message and

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Speaker 1: we'll do our best to get them in. These three questions.

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Speaker 1: I just got done with the Pacific Northwest Sportsman show, John,

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Speaker 1: and these were some of the most questions asked by

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Speaker 1: either new turkey hunters or turkey hunters that started hunting

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Speaker 1: and maybe don't have the experience. So this is where

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Speaker 1: I kind of gathered these three questions from the day.

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Speaker 1: In your opinion, what's the best time of the day

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Speaker 1: to hunt turkeys and Gona. I'm gonna add my own

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Speaker 1: little twist to this because I think there may be

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Speaker 1: a best time of the day to hunt turkeys if

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Speaker 1: you want to hear gobbles and get in action. And

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Speaker 1: there may be a different answer for if you want

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Speaker 1: and take that and then we'll all add on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, it's definitely a best

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Speaker 2: time of the day if you want to hear them.

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Speaker 2: We all know, get out there early in the morning,

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Speaker 2: you know, listen for them, and you know, so nine

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Speaker 2: o'clock is fantastic. It's one of the best hours, i'd say,

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Speaker 2: of the morning hours, just because birds have come down.

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Speaker 2: Those that are hand up are going to get hand up,

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Speaker 2: and then, depending on the time of season, obviously some

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Speaker 2: to get lonely and start talking again sometime after nine

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Speaker 2: and ten o'clock and they'll start talking. I'm pretty heavy,

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Speaker 2: but I'd have to add to that. At the same time,

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite times would be two o'clocking on

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Speaker 2: in the afternoon as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm you know, as I can remember, back

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Speaker 1: as a new turkey hunter, it was all about that

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Speaker 1: you know what, it's real fun, but I don't kill

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Speaker 1: of always the running joke is the old timers that

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Speaker 1: you know. And it's just it's just that natural biology.

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Speaker 1: It's not saying that you can't kill a bird first

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, without a doubt. I mean it's like

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Speaker 2: you said, you could dissect that question. This month or

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Speaker 2: this week would be this thing, next week could be

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Speaker 2: you'll change those times again, it just depends on what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like you know, you mentioned the two o'clock

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Speaker 1: thirty three o'clock. We were doing short little hikes and

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Speaker 1: you kind of feel your percentage you're really low. We

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Speaker 1: like within that roosting time where the birds become more

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Speaker 1: talkative early morning. Like anything that gobbles in that mid

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Speaker 1: in if he's very active middle of the day. Anytime

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Speaker 1: two three o'clock is going to be a good hunt

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Speaker 1: if you can get them to talk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. On top of that, you know, getting out

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Speaker 2: in the morning, we all want to hear them gobble,

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Speaker 2: And then understand they're hearing you when you're calling in

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Speaker 2: skills more birds sometimes than anything else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and doctor I've mentioned this study multiple times, doctor

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Speaker 1: Mike Chamberlain out of the University of Georgia, while Turkey

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Speaker 1: Lab references it and they've they've had birds monitored where

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Speaker 1: if if that turkey, when he eventually loses his hands,

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Speaker 1: that turkey almost with very very pinpoint accuracy, knew where

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: You and they'll come.

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Speaker 2: Back, yeah, Yeah, they don't forget.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll eventually come check on you once they're their

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Speaker 1: patience is a virtue, I don't have a whole lot

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Speaker 1: of it, you know, similar to John may have more

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Speaker 2: Oh heck yeah. I mean we walk away from so

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Speaker 2: I want to hear the voice. Yeah, it's just like

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Speaker 1: I mean you know I want to chase bugles. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: sit in the tree stand until I heard the first bugle. No,

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Speaker 1: I figure out how quick I can get down on

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Speaker 2: So exactly.

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Speaker 1: Of course, being at a trade show, that's second most

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Speaker 1: And what does that look like?

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Speaker 2: I think straight off the bat, for anyone brand new

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Speaker 2: well know too, they're fantastic, they work great, and I've

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Speaker 1: Yeah last year on the hunt. You know, we're proud

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Speaker 1: mouth callers. I think anybody that's hunted for a long time,

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Speaker 1: We tried to, like I always call it, like switch

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Speaker 1: can remember you had your bigger camera and I would

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Speaker 1: a little without a little bit of training, they struggle.

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Speaker 1: But everybody can pick that box up make a sound.

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Speaker 1: And you know pot calls are easy. There's you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't make them, but they are pushpin type calls

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Speaker 1: But if you've put in time and tried to everybody

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be what may tenth to fifteenth, So I'm

430
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,920
Speaker 1: without giving without giving away all of our secrets. I

431
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,200
Speaker 1: really love that time of year. You know, the hunting

432
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,679
Speaker 1: is typically pretty good. The birds tend to do what

433
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 1: you want them to do, so I'm excited about that.

434
00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:54,359
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, everybody hates when we compare elk hunting

435
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,679
Speaker 1: the turkey hunting. But I challenge somebody that hunts them

436
00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: the way we do out here and Washington, Idaho, you know,

437
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:06,440
Speaker 1: even Eastern Oregon to find, aside from the physical animal

438
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,360
Speaker 1: we shoot at the end and the sound, that they

439
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 1: make very very similar strategies, very very similar terrain and country,

440
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,880
Speaker 1: me and you and side and people might this might

441
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 1: add the or confirm that we're crazy. I think the

442
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,439
Speaker 1: one day when so I was hunting, we did what

443
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,360
Speaker 1: sixteen miles the one day?

444
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean that's not uncommon for me, that's

445
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 2: for sure.

446
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so, I mean there's there's a lot of similarities.

447
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,080
Speaker 1: And I know people hate to you know, out West.

448
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a pride thing or all.

449
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 1: Turkey hunting isn't the same as outcome. I get very

450
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 1: very similar from any way that I've did it, you know,

451
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 1: so very exciting.

452
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean some people, yeah, you're you're absolutely right,

453
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 2: But it just comes down to how do you like

454
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 2: the hunt turkeys. Sure you can go sit on a

455
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 2: field somewhere at a farm's place and you know, set

456
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,439
Speaker 2: yourself up in a blind, but I mean that's not

457
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,480
Speaker 2: what we're looking for personally. On top of that every

458
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 2: turkey hunt an opportunity to scott for elk as well,

459
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 2: and they tend to be in the same places just

460
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 2: as difficult to get into. So that's right.

461
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, both turkeys and elk this time of year,

462
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: you know that April May time frame, they're falling the

463
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: snow up, eating that newest, freshest growth, and they seem

464
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: to be in the same spot. So yeah, all right,

465
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to start this one a little different for you, John.

466
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 1: We're going to do kind of a rapid fire twenty

467
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 1: questions here, just your opinion. If you had to pick

468
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 1: box call, slate, collar, diaphragms, you can only take one.

469
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to take a diaphragm every time.

470
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: Diaphragm, and then we probably know your reasons, but explain

471
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: why you're picking diaphragms on this one.

472
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 2: For me personally, I can make every sound that I

473
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: need to make with a diaphragm, whether it's making it

474
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,719
Speaker 2: like a coyote. If I want to play like all

475
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,400
Speaker 2: the kinds of animals, just to do a locator call,

476
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: I can do that on a diaphragm. I can sound

477
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: like a young bird, like an old bird, and I

478
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: can change the direction in distance and make myself sound

479
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: like I'm in one place compared to another. And they're

480
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 2: easy to pack. It doesn't take much for space they either,

481
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: So it's just really convenient with lots of practice.

482
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Okay, decoys are no decoys on You don't know

483
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 1: if you're going two miles or twenty miles, you're taking

484
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 1: decoys or you're leaving them in your truck.

485
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: For me, personally, I always have a decoy, and I

486
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: know a lot of people don't think that's even right,

487
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 2: but then again, they're not filming all the time either,

488
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 2: and I enjoy filming, so a decoy just gives me

489
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,239
Speaker 2: more bird time on film, especially if I can get

490
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 2: them to come in and strut around it and hang out.

491
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: I'll stay there as long as I can before pulling

492
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Speaker 2: the trigger.

493
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Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, we actually I just got done with the podcast,

494
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: and I know, you know you're you're teamed up with

495
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: a different company, but we you know, one of the

496
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: meat Eater brands is Dave Smith Decoys, and just just

497
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: got done with a podcast on meat Eater with Dave

498
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: and and they're almost to the point where they've got

499
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: some people within that company that don't like using the calls.

500
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: They want to use the decoys almost, you know, they do,

501
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: they do team them up with calls, but like sometimes

502
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: they're like just decoying. So like take the calls away.

503
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: You got the bird's pattern, let's set this out and

504
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: see if we can get this bird to do nothing

505
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: but decoy and kind of kind of you know, for me,

506
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, we got to use calls and tricky, but

507
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: there are people that you know, just there are different

508
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: ways to do it right. And we always pack decoys

509
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: now whether I get that, you know, they're running and

510
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: gunning set up a lot of times you're like, well

511
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 1: we were. It's it's you can't do it on this setup.

512
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: But there are times where you know, a lot of

513
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: our birds we end up on on a logging road

514
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: or somehow that seems to be our setup, and and

515
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: you can get them, you know, putt on the outside

516
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: corner so the bird can see it, it can't see

517
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 1: your location. And there are times where the decoys really

518
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: do help and and add to the situation for sure.

519
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And sometimes the negatives are when people don't

520
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 2: really set them up properly, or they had the decoy

521
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 2: facing directly at where the tom is coming from. And

522
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: a lot of times will come around the corner and

523
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: see a hend and staring them down and he'll back off. So,

524
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 2: you know, try to face the decoy slightly away on

525
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 2: a forty five degree angle. Let them know it's just

526
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 2: a missive hand and she's just looking for action.

527
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: Yep. I know your answer this one, but I'm asking

528
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: it anyways. Ground blind or natural setup.

529
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 2: Run a gun definitely no ground blind, don't need extra

530
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: stuff to carry. But then again, I'm not in Kansas

531
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: or some other place too, So.

532
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you if you had some private ground, you know,

533
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: this might be for some of our listeners. They're not

534
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: doing it the way we and we hunt for a

535
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: specific reason. I do want to preface this whole thing.

536
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: Like me and John are out there, we hunt a

537
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: certain way where we're wanting to work the birds without

538
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: being set up or necessarily patterning them. So we're not

539
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: saying this this isn't effective or won't work. But if

540
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: you had birds on private that were really patternable, and

541
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: maybe it was a little more open ad country where

542
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: you know, these these birds don't like to be tight

543
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: in the timber. You know, Southwest Oregon, these birds they

544
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 1: fly down, and they're out in the open for ninety

545
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: nine percent of the day. Ground blinds might be your

546
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: best solution, especially if you've got good patterns on them.

547
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: So we're not saying it doesn't work, but a lot

548
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: of times these birds that we find, we literally really

549
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: had no idea they were there. We had a good

550
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: idea there should be birds around, but we don't know

551
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: which pocket, and we're locating birds that we have no idea,

552
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: and we're just hunting them for the first time in

553
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: that moment, right, So we have no idea about these birds.

554
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: And so you know, we're talking into natural training. I

555
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,239
Speaker 1: like that. I like, you know, the idea that we're

556
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: playing them kind of on their turf. We're having to

557
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: adapt and try to make it work.

558
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean definitely, if you're going to be in

559
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: an open field or maybe at a farmer's place or

560
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: even property that someone's just giving you access to, even

561
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 2: in the yard, I mean, yeah, they're going to be

562
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: in the open areas and obviously set up a blind,

563
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: get in there in the dark, hang out, let them

564
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 2: do their thing.

565
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: Yep. If you if you had to declare on your

566
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: turkey tag, you could hunt from five to nine or

567
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: nine to one o'clock. What are you picking?

568
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: Five to nine or nine till one o'clock? I go

569
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: five to nine for sure. I want to hear them,

570
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: and then I'll get in as tight as I can

571
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: and be the first hen on the ground at the roost.

572
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're going early, even though we've talked, you

573
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: can have success in both places. You're out there. You

574
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: want to hear the gobbleys, want to be in the

575
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: action and make that work. That's a tough one because

576
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean we've killed birds and you know, at both times.

577
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: But I agree. I'm a guy that likes the action.

578
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: I like to hear all the gods, like to know

579
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: where all the birds, how many birds are out there,

580
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: And there's just something about that fly down and birds

581
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: dispersing and doing their thing that I love to be

582
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: a part of.

583
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, I mean, but if you're looking for

584
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: just success rate, then another timeframe is probably better for

585
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: success rate. But if you just want to suffer and

586
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: really enjoy the calls morning early.

587
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to hunt alone or you can hunt

588
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: with a buddy.

589
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: Oh, I like them both equally. Fifty to fifty. I mean,

590
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: I love doing solo hunts. I love filming solo hunts.

591
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: But then I really love the camaraderie and everything that

592
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 2: comes with that, and that's just another hole epic opportunity.

593
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I'm in the same boat. Yeah, I've probably

594
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: hunted more turkeys with buddies and you and maybe set

595
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: a collar back just a little bit. But yeah, I

596
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: think the hunting alone, especially when I did somewhere around

597
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: here back when you know we have easterns here in

598
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: western Washington, we'd go out. Yeah, I love just like

599
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: working a bird on my own or firing a bird

600
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: up on my own. You know, it's like yeah. But then,

601
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: but like you said, hunt with buddies. I had a

602
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 1: blast last year with you inside. So I like, like

603
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: you said, it doesn't really matter. As long as I'm

604
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: turkey hunting, I'm gonna be good. Exactly this this question,

605
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: I know your answer, running and gunning or sitting and waiting.

606
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: Running and gunning without a doubt. I mean, it's it's

607
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: all about the action. It's about the fun, excitement, the exercise,

608
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: just being out there and moving through the mountains and

609
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 2: seeing more terrain.

610
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: Now with that said, let's let's dive into sitting and

611
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: waiting a little bit more during a call, and like,

612
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: let's say you've running gun to a point, how long

613
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: are you willing to sit and wait as long as

614
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: the bird's responding and you feel like you're working him?

615
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: Or is there a point within a call and you're like,

616
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: we gotta get up and get a little closer, like

617
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: he's been stuck for too long or he's unwilling to

618
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: get closer. Like how do you make that determination where

619
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: you're maybe I don't want to say too aggressive, but

620
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: you know you're being aggressive versus you're willing to sit

621
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: and wait during part of a setup.

622
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 2: Well, for me, I mean one of the reasons I

623
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: like being out there early is to hear how many

624
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: voices there are in a certain area. And just because

625
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: they went quiet doesn't mean they left. I mean that's

626
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 2: something you learned. So then it becomes time to just

627
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 2: sit down and shut up and wait for that next

628
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 2: gobble to kick off on his own, because that's going

629
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: to happen eventually. At some point, Tom's going to get

630
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: alone or he's going to lose his girl. And you're

631
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: there knowing that they were there and they still are

632
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: and you just got to believe it. Have confidence. Wait

633
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: for that gobble, it's coming. It might be ten o'clock, gotcha.

634
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: Traditional camos or gilly.

635
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: Suits, traditional camos, Turkey traditional camos. All the Usterns like

636
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: to wear the elk stuff, which is fantastic and works good.

637
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: I just I love the more greens. You know, you

638
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: pick your shuit yep, yep.

639
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: So turkey vest or like a chess pack. How are

640
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: you organizing your stuff and what do you need to take?

641
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: Well, because I'm filming, the Turkey vest is better because

642
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: I'm loading it up with gear, extra batteries, extra this,

643
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: And for me, I just enjoy the turkey vest. It's

644
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: convenient for me. For a lot of people who running gun.

645
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: If you're not filming, you're not hauling a lot of stuff,

646
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: then a chess pack is fantastic.

647
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I you know, I ran that new

648
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: FHF gear. You got to see it a little bit.

649
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: We had one of the prototops last year. It's kind

650
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: of a hybrid. It's got you know, it's basically a belt,

651
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: a tactical belt where we could keep our box and

652
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: our pots. You couple that with a chest rig that

653
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: kind of holds it all together. You got the foldable seat.

654
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: It worked really well, especially out west. Now you know,

655
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: back East, I've I don't want to call it lazy.

656
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: I've even kind of got Steve and you know, hooked

657
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 1: on this idea when you're hunting Kansas and and that

658
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: you're you know, we're using the electric buggies or we're

659
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: using side by sides to get kind of there. I

660
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: love a low seat and then just you know, kind

661
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: of keep my my my calls in the chest pack.

662
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: I don't need a bunch, but I love having like

663
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: those very low to the ground, you know, recliner chairs,

664
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: because with the Easterns it seems like I have to

665
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: be a whole lot more patient. I'm gonna sit underneath

666
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: my tree for a whole lot longer, and the last

667
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: thing I want to do is my you know, butt

668
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: cheet going numb or falling asleep, and then you're rocking

669
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: and you're rotating while you're trying to you know. So yeah,

670
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: I love that new lightweight system. But yeah, with you

671
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: being self contained or filming yourself, I could see where

672
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: the vest and additional pockets and additional space to throw

673
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: your decoys and stuff really really starts to pay off.

674
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely. And yeah, like you said, I mean

675
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 2: even your bird with last calling. We were sitting a

676
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: long time, I think I remember you and not able

677
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: to almost get up.

678
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: Oh my, both of my feet had fell asleep. Yeah,

679
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: and so after I shot the bird, it was like

680
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: three or four minutes before you weren't going to like

681
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: break your ankle trying to trying to walk. So yeah,

682
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: we were. We were there for a long long time.

683
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: And that's where my stubbornness comes in because I was

684
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: more than well to kill that bird and wake my

685
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: feet up and move around. So we were, we were.

686
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: We were locked in for the long haul there.

687
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's all film coming out in another couple

688
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: of weeks.

689
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we're getting We're getting real close. So I'm

690
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: excited to see how that all comes together. Yeah, if

691
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: if you, if you had your own private land, I

692
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: know we do a lot of public. Are you gonna

693
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: hunt public or private?

694
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: I prefer public personally. I mean I have access to

695
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 2: a lot of private, but I honestly rarely go there.

696
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: What I do is I say it for maybe kids

697
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: or other people that need help, or older folks as well,

698
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: that we take out and mentor. But for me personally,

699
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: I'll just go to public because there's so many birds.

700
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so dang good. Yeah, I know. Last you know,

701
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: if you follow along your adventures with Northwest Purchasers, you know,

702
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: you you you utilize that private at certain times or

703
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: people's first birds or kids, like you said, and it

704
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: definitely has it's use. And I'm I'm neither. I don't.

705
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people, Oh it was a

706
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: private land bird, or it was a private land elk

707
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: or a private land. I don't care. Like hunting is

708
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: hunting to me, but I agree with you. I like,

709
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: I like at this point to challenge myself on public

710
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: land or land that everybody has to hunt, and it's

711
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: just it adds a little bit of a level of difficulty.

712
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Not that I'm out there trying to find the toughest

713
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: to kill bird, but it's just it's not not quite

714
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: as easy as private land. And yeah, you once again,

715
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: it goes back, do we get done them exactly where

716
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: they are? We're not like waiting here for three hours

717
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: because eventually they're gonna come through this pinch point in

718
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: the field. You know, You're like, I'm just wherever I

719
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: found the bird never been here before. It's all brand

720
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: new to me, and I love that. Like you know,

721
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: it's you know, there's always a wild card. You can't

722
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: plan for it.

723
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just adds a whole different level of stress

724
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: and adventure to it, for sure. And then sometimes just

725
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: because you got private property doesn't mean it's always going

726
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: to be easy either, because a lot of people, if

727
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: they want you, they're killing turkeys. They want everybody else

728
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: they're killing turkeys too, so you might find it's worse.

729
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Yep, yep for sure. Shotgun or bow, Oh, I love

730
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: them both.

731
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: I used to do archery turkey a lot in earlier times.

732
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: I just got tired of the mess, to be honest.

733
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: And the shotgun is this easier again to pack along

734
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: for filming?

735
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: Yep. And one thing that doesn't get talked about enough.

736
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: We're hunting these in mountainous terrain, right and andy, if

737
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: you may, even if you make a great shot on

738
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: a tricky yeah, you can, you know, without getting too detailed,

739
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: you can decapitated. You know, you can do some things.

740
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: But if you make a perfect turkey, a shot on

741
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: a turkey, there's nothing saying that thing doesn't pitch off

742
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: that mountain and end up flying over a group of

743
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: trees before it decides it's going to die or expires

744
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: or you know, they leave bad blood trails. And so

745
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: why I I love the challenge of bow hunting. I'm like,

746
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: there's something about not losing a bird that I feel

747
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: like I owe them a little bit in a certain

748
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: terrain and you know where sometimes private land, you know

749
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: it's flat ground, so the turkey just kind of runs

750
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 1: off or you can, you know, keep track of them

751
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: wearing these mountains. These birds get spooked or get shot,

752
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: they might pitch off of a mountain and you may

753
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: never find the thing. And that's not what I'm out

754
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: there for either.

755
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely. And it is definitely a much smaller

756
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 2: target obviously. And I've been on a few boat hunts

757
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: with other people where a lot of time was spent

758
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: trying to recover bird which was never recovered. So yeah, yeah,

759
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: it's not not enjoyable.

760
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: Open open uh in the woods or open terrain or vegetation.

761
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: Excuse me.

762
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: Both have their adventures depends on where you live. But

763
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: I mean for us out here, I'll always go for

764
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 2: the thick and dark and all those inside of twenty

765
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: yard shots.

766
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: Yep, I there. I mean like that spot where U

767
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: n s I killed your bird, Like it was pretty

768
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: open up top and then it was timbered. So it's

769
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: not like thick timber, but it's it's kind of a

770
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: mosaic and it seems like we end up finding ourselves.

771
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: You know, some a lot of this is industrial timberland

772
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: where you're gonna have, you know, thick timber patches, you're

773
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: gonna have clearcuts, you're gonna have your road systems. And

774
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of time these road systems inside

775
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: the you know, these heavy timber, it ends up being

776
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: like good travel corridors. So it's, yeah, I'm with you.

777
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: I want to be in the woods, be tight, but

778
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, you may find yourself in a road. You

779
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: might find yourself in an old clearcut or a thin

780
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: piece of timber. You know. It's really wherever we find

781
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: the birds.

782
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're definitely gonna use every easy access because

783
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: they love easy traveling too, So you're gonna find them

784
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: wherever you're walking easy.

785
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: Are you hunting the rain or you're gonna just wait

786
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: for clear weather.

787
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: I hate hunting turkeys in the rain. They I hate

788
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: it as much as they enjoy it. Basically, you'll see

789
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: them just sitting there, all hunched over like somebody without

790
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: a rain coat, just miserable. So I'll stay home. It's

791
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: not worth it. There's better days.

792
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a luxury. Guy was gonna say, you

793
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: have the luxury of being close and you you dedicate

794
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: so much time to it that you'll just pick the

795
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: good day. And now let's say I'm I'm coming over

796
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: or I'm coming to an area, I've only got five

797
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: days to hunt. Might as well be out there. Right.

798
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: It might not be as good, but there's always a chance.

799
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: And it seems like we talked a little bit last

800
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: year where we want the weather patterns to kind of

801
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: stabilize for you know, a short stretch. But do you

802
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: notice like if you come off the backside of a rainstorm,

803
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: maybe there's a break in the weather and it really

804
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: clears up. Are you going to get better action? Is

805
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: that like a good time to be out in the woods.

806
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: If the pressure stays the same, then yeah. And even

807
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: in the heavy downpour, we've called birds in in the

808
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: pass on times, Like you said, people came in out

809
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: of town and you know, we got these three days,

810
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: and these three days are bad. But we can go

811
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: out there in a heavy downpour and still call a

812
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: bird and gobblin. Even though he looks terrible, he'll come in.

813
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 2: But you know, if I have a choice, it's different.

814
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: And like you said, if it breaks, usually they're going

815
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: to light back up pretty quick, or you'll find them

816
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: on the edge of a field out here or an

817
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: opening where they can catch a breeze and dry off.

818
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: So go to those openings where the wind is live,

819
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: giving them a chance to dry off.

820
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: If you only had you have to hunt your water

821
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: or hunt your food.

822
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 2: I don't find that hunting near water with our birds

823
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: is critical, not at all. So food seems to be

824
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: more important, and that changes depending on what time of

825
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: the season it is.

826
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 1: Gotcha, we have to make an assumption on this one.

827
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: You've got a hint decoy, but you have to grab

828
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: your second decoy. You're grabbing a long beard, you're grabbing

829
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: a jake.

830
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: And that's a tough one too. I mean, a long

831
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 2: beer is going to work if you don't put them

832
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 2: in a dominant area. And it depends on how I've

833
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 2: found personally, it depends on how many birds are in

834
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: that zone. If there's a lot of dominant tom's already there,

835
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 2: then a tom's not going to make a difference. If

836
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: there's maybe not quite so many, I've found that a

837
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: jake works really good at a distance from the hen.

838
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 1: Gotcha are you going? Are you bringing a twelve gage

839
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: or a four to ten or twenty?

840
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: If I had a choice between all of them and

841
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 2: I only had to choose one gun, I'd probably bring

842
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 2: that twelve gage because sometimes out here you are shooting

843
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: through so pile of junk, So that's going to be

844
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 2: the number one choice. If I had to pick.

845
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: TSS heavy shot or copper.

846
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: TSS every time, Let's see, if I could buy a

847
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: really cheap Walmart arrow to go elk hunting, would I

848
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: do that? No, So I'm gonna GOSS.

849
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: And TSS like and with to add to that, we

850
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: both use custom ammal and you've got a custom amimal supplier.

851
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: I'm using some fox trot that it's just good, and

852
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing when somebody takes a little more time

853
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: and and you know, gets the right buffer and gets

854
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: like the right load. Just how much more you can

855
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: pull out of these shotguns which you can only kill

856
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: a turkey so dead. But like you said, when you're

857
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: shooting through brush or I don't I'm very hesitant to

858
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: use the word marginal shots. It's they're good shots, but

859
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: you need to know your equipment and that you're gonna

860
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: have enough bebies going through there to be very lethal

861
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: and effective. But yeah, some of these custom loads that

862
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: people are using, now, you know in some of these

863
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: you know you use pattern Master chokes. I use Indian Creek,

864
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: you use it different, just regardless. I guess the moral

865
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: of the story is know your know your choke, know

866
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: your load, and know that when you pull that thing,

867
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a whole lot of TSS hitting inside

868
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: of you know, the head and neck.

869
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, I mean time on paper, we

870
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: can't say that enough. Get out there and know exactly

871
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: what's happening at different distances, what it's capable of doing

872
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: and TSS. You know, you don't need to spend that

873
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: much money on a shell. But I mean, if you

874
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 2: want to take your best shot, then you might as

875
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: well be using a number nine BB that has the

876
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: weight of a number four or five with small, amazing penetration.

877
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 2: So why not.

878
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's the thing Like I make a point,

879
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: especially with my wife, I never add up what it

880
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: costs to kill these turkeys, you know, after gas and tags,

881
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: and it's like, all right, yeah, these these some of

882
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: these shells are five to you know, five to ten

883
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: bucks apiece at times there they are expensive, but like

884
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: that's the that's another gallon the gas when I just

885
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: drove across the state and then got to drive all

886
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: the way back. So it's like, when the time comes,

887
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: I just assume kill the turkey, be very effective, have

888
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 1: additional effective range if needed, or a follow up shot.

889
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: So I'm with you there. I like TSS. You know,

890
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: heavy shot was the best we had for while. And

891
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: then you know, it's like I had rigs built for

892
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: copper plated too. It's like, as long as it's good

893
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: enough on paper, just make sure you're confident in it

894
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: and know your effective range, and then go out and

895
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: make it work.

896
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: I mean, pick the company you want to work with,

897
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: whatever shot you're happy with, and what you feel confident

898
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: with equipment wise, That's really what it comes down to.

899
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: Okay, would you rather if you can only hunt in

900
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: one place? Would you be feeding areas or roosting areas?

901
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: Uh? Probably feeding areas to be honest, if I only

902
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: had a choice of one place, because they're going to

903
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: go there guaranteed.

904
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: Yep. When you call, you either can call very aggressively

905
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: or you can only call once every twenty minutes.

906
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 2: It's going to be aggressively for me because I really

907
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: like to make a point and you can demand a

908
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: tom come. There is a way to doing that when

909
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: you understand the language a little bit better, and I

910
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 2: have a lot of examples of it. So if you're experienced,

911
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: then you can get aggressive. If you're not, then take

912
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: your time and listen to what they're saying back if

913
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: you can.

914
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that kind of that kind of wraps up

915
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: our little rapid fire section. There is there anything you

916
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: want to elaborate on? You know, you're a wealth of knowledge.

917
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed. I had never hunted with you until

918
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: last year. And it's it's funny when you know size

919
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: has been successful. I've been successful, You've been successful. Like,

920
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: is there anything that you feel like you do different

921
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: or maybe things that people don't talk about enough as

922
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: far as like you know, finding success or things that

923
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: you do a little bit differently. Is it is it

924
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: areas that matter. Is it the way you hunt that matters?

925
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: Is it what are what do you think you know?

926
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: Give give our listeners. You know three to five good

927
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: tips that you feel you know, maybe not everybody talks about,

928
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: or things that really matter. Like if you could take

929
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: these three to five things and implement them, everybody out

930
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: there would be successful.

931
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: Uh for me again, I'm going to go back to

932
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: I really don't have a problem walking and calling constantly

933
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: all the time. Uh. Basically, I'm not going to walk

934
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: too far without a call because if you're going to

935
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: pretend to be an then be a real hen and

936
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 2: call pretty consistently in the morning when you're looking for

937
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: another time, because you're telling them that you're a hen

938
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: without a time and you're looking to breathe. So do

939
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: it every thirty to forty yards. Literally, that's one of

940
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: my success rates. It's really high. Don't be afraid to

941
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: go into areas you've never been in before. Don't feel

942
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: you have to scout it. Just get in there and

943
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: put your time in. Walk around the perimeter of properties

944
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 2: rather than down the middle of them. That's another really

945
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 2: good successful point. If you're doing small parcels, don't overlook

946
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: small parcels. A lot of people want to find that big,

947
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: giant piece of land that they can go in and

948
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 2: play with birds all day long. Some of the tiniest

949
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: piece of properties that get overlooked are extremely good. Just

950
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 2: walk around the outside of it and don't think. If

951
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 2: you see sign, know they're there. So you can stay

952
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: there all day and keep walking around it calling like

953
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: a hen. You can demand they come, they will just

954
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: be patient.

955
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: I mean, we were hunted an area last year that

956
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: had some very very steep terrain kind of over where

957
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: I ended up killing my second bird with you, and

958
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: you know, I looked up and there are turkey's up there.

959
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: It's like everything is holding birds. The mountains are holding birds.

960
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't look like you're cookie cutter Turkey country because

961
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: there isn't any ag. There isn't grassy roads, there isn't

962
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, open clearcuts. It's it's all steep, you know,

963
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: reprod big timber. But there are birds up there, goblin

964
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: and it's like if you put an effort up there.

965
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to say I guarantee, but with pretty

966
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: good certainty, nobody else's messed with those birds because of

967
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: where they're at. People don't want to climb a thousand

968
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: and fifteen hundred feet above the road to a high point.

969
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: But there are birds that are roosting up there on

970
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: that ridge line, and you're going to be in birds,

971
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: you know, and walk us through real quick. One of

972
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: the big things, and one of the things I still

973
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: struggle with is I'm maybe maybe too much of an engineer,

974
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: a mathematician or a guy that wants like everything's a probability, right.

975
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: And then one of the most difficult things I struggle

976
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: with in the morning still to this day, is either

977
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: you roosted a bird at night and you might not

978
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: know the exact tree, might there might be multiple gobblers.

979
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: Is it's just you know what, thirty minutes before daylight

980
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: and they start to gobble. I never know which one

981
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: to sit by, or which one to set up on,

982
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: or you know, in a lot of times it comes

983
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: down to just our gut feel. But it's like, all right,

984
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: here's on X. I think these ones might fly down here,

985
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: I think this is a tree therein Should I call?

986
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: Shouldn't I call? What's your process in the morning, Like

987
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: is it a gut feel that this one's the closest,

988
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: or like last year, we moved a couple times because

989
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: you specifically thought a bird was bigger based on his gobble.

990
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: So we may be like, we're going to set up

991
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: on that one, like, is there a better way to

992
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: figure that out in the morning? Is it really just

993
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: try your best set up close, set up where you

994
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: think he's gonna fly down.

995
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, again, we're talking about our birds, and

996
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about birds in a different part of

997
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: the United States. So I'll go with that instinctively and say,

998
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: if I hear him gobbling, I want to try to

999
00:44:56,040 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 2: get in reasonably tight, preferably between honestly fifty to seventy

1000
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: five yards, depending on the cover. Out of course, if

1001
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: you don't have a lot of cover, then you're going

1002
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: to maybe be at one hundred yards. But if I

1003
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: can get into fifty and still have good cover and

1004
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: start working, then when they start working, letting them gobble

1005
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: in the morning. And then you've got to understand tree talk,

1006
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: and you got to understand what that means and start

1007
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: talking like a hen that's up in a tree. And

1008
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: if you can get him fired up, and if he's

1009
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: gobbling in your direction, basically telling you he's locking in

1010
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: on your tone and you know there's hens there because

1011
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 2: he probably wouldn't be there if there wasn't any ends.

1012
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: Then you want to flap slapping your hat on your

1013
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: pants or having a wing whatever you have, and be

1014
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: the first hen on the ground and then start doing

1015
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: a demanding gather up call. And for me, that honestly

1016
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: has worked more often than not. And have a lot

1017
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: of videos that show you roost work and demanding they

1018
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: come because you're the hand on the ground. And usually

1019
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 2: if you have more than one time in a tree,

1020
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 2: it's even better because the younger Tom is going to say,

1021
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 2: here's my opportunity. She's on the ground. I better get

1022
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 2: down there fast before he does. And that works really good.

1023
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: How much can you get away with when they're in

1024
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: the tree, like with the flap down, like they need

1025
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: to be out of visible, like they can't see where

1026
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: that's happening, or can you get away with it early enough?

1027
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: And then like getting into your tree, are you okay?

1028
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: You know once they're gobbling, Like do you feel like

1029
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: you've got a little bit of security to move without

1030
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: them picking you off? Like that's always always my concern,

1031
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: Like all right, they're already gobbling they're obviously awake on

1032
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: the limb. Can I get to seventy yards or do

1033
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: I need to stay out of there? Can they see yet?

1034
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: You know? Like those are some of the things you

1035
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: just play with. In some mornings you're like, I think

1036
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: I screwed that up, or other mornings you're like, oh,

1037
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: I got right in here and didn't seem to bother

1038
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: them at all.

1039
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, if you had the cover and you

1040
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: can get in that, that's fine. But if you don't

1041
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: know the area, you obviously you better be pretty darn

1042
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 2: careful if light is starting to come up. If I

1043
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: can see what's in the tree myself, they can see

1044
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 2: what's on the ground for the most part. But turkeys

1045
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: are kind of funny in this regard. Out here, if

1046
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: if they're up in a tree, they feel extremely safe,

1047
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: and if it's not a heavily pressured area, you have

1048
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: a lot of leeway to get in. The goal is

1049
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: get in and shut up for at least half an hour.

1050
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: You don't give away the fact that you just sat down,

1051
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: and then they pretty much will forget about the fact

1052
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: that they heard a deer or heard an elk crashing

1053
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: in their way through. I don't worry about making noise,

1054
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: because everything's making noise in the woods.

1055
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, no. And that's the thing that usually can

1056
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: let him settle down. Last year in Kansas, the very

1057
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: first day we were there, we didn't get a chance

1058
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: to rouse a night before. It just had to guess

1059
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: set up right under the bird like sixty yards away,

1060
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: had a decoy out. You know, it got daylight and

1061
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: a few jakes flew down and then his hens hung

1062
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: out for like an hour and he didn't come down

1063
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: to fly into those hens until like an hour and

1064
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: a half after daylight because we were so tight. And

1065
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: that's one of those things where like they knew he

1066
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: knew something was wrong. He knew at some point something

1067
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: but you know, ultimately had to fly down to those

1068
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: hens which were out in front of us and ultimately

1069
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: led to his demise. But yeah, can you can buger

1070
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: him up pretty easy on that roost. And so I

1071
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: think that's where I play a real conservative back out

1072
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: and it might not work all the time, but yeah,

1073
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: we were we were really aggressive. We did. We It

1074
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: didn't work the one time last year on the roost

1075
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: with us, but we had birds everywhere around this We

1076
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: had hens popping their head up. We were on a

1077
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: we were kind of on a bench that had a

1078
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: real steep drop off, and so it was kind of

1079
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: a an interesting setup how close we and it was

1080
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: it was fun because you never knew what was going

1081
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: to pop up. But yeah, no kidding, Yeah no, that

1082
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: was that was fun. So, uh no, I really appreciate

1083
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: you having you on, John. You're one of the you know,

1084
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: one of the guys I look up to when it

1085
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: comes turcky hut and get it done year in, year out.

1086
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: You spend you spend as much time turkey hunting as

1087
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: I do el hunting. So I respect that. And uh yeah,

1088
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: you're your wealth of knowledge and can you let other

1089
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: people know where to find out about you Northwest purchasers.

1090
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: Let people know a little bit. I don't want to

1091
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: mess it all up. You do some veterans hunts. You

1092
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: take a lot of kids in youth their first time hunters,

1093
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: elaborate on that a little bit where people can find

1094
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: you and then can't wait to go hunt with you

1095
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: in May.

1096
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, looking forward to We're going to have a blast.

1097
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: Let's just hope for that weather again. Ye yeah, we

1098
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: need some weather, right Although looking really good so far.

1099
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: But as far as finding me, you know, you can

1100
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: find me on Instagram at Northwest spur Chasers, no problem.

1101
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: You can also go on YouTube and I'll answer anything

1102
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: you guys want to talk about. For the most part,

1103
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 2: unless you're looking for an exact location, you know that's unrealistic.

1104
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: Beyond that, those are the easiest ways to get a

1105
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: hold of me. I stay on top of it. You

1106
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 2: can message me through either one and we can talk more.

1107
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 2: And you know, you look back at the videos. I

1108
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: got stuff up there that's even embarrassing for me to watch.

1109
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: So it's fun to lead the progression and not be

1110
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: afraid to show people. Look how it was in the beginning,

1111
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 2: and you know here it is now, so you can

1112
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: learn a lot. The veterans thing. I do want to

1113
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: put a pitch out there for that. So one of

1114
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: our passions is we're always looking for opportunities give back,

1115
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: and so you know, here's harvest Is who I like

1116
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 2: to work with, and we've been running a camp over

1117
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 2: in Idaho. We're actually taking a break this year simply

1118
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 2: because we want to secure more property rather than constantly

1119
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: bringing people back into the same places and taking birds

1120
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 2: from a lot of the same places, so we're kind

1121
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: of taking a break to secure a bunch of private

1122
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: properties so we can work our heroes harvest for next

1123
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: year and years coming as well. But we are going

1124
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 2: to work with the BHA chapter from Washington of the

1125
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: AFI Armed Forces Initiative and we're going to do a

1126
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: multi joint camp with them, so we'll be helping out

1127
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: there as well. The other passion I have, of course

1128
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 2: is taking out kids, always looking for young kids that

1129
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 2: don't have dads or maybe someone that is just not

1130
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: in their life that needs to They have a need

1131
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: to learn more and want to learn more, so we

1132
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: put a lot of time into that too, and that's

1133
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: probably the two big passions we have.

1134
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: Paying attention to you. You're always helping, You're always wanting

1135
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: to help. It's one of the awesome things about you,

1136
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: as well as just knowing a ton about Turkey, so

1137
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you having you on John and good

1138
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: luck in your Turkey season prior to us getting there,

1139
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: and then can't wait to be it up for me.