1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace and again I'm old man 2 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: playing help with a fifteen rubber and co for teens, 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: form defender with a knight so popped or till your 4 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: on the cars one pop tim for anybody clothes for 5 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: all they're more bike forty five robber or blocks away 6 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,639 Speaker 1: forty five robber tempo again first you know with them 7 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: we know fifteen raber car up? Good? Are you a 8 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: more bid bless? You know? Were going like the bird 9 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: game and it's to the bird robber. I see you 10 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: pulling up one rubber two one robber tempo, rubber a million. 11 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: I'm forty one Roberts come for here. Let me know 12 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: when he's in custed again by the police. God, you 13 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: got your going? You gets okaye? Service? Well I am 14 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: little here. You're hearing the nine one one call the 15 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: night that eighteen, a seventeen year old is gunned down. 16 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: Joining me right now, syndicated talk show host Dave mcdave 17 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: what happened. Police were called because there was a report 18 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: of a young person breaking into cars with a knife. 19 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: Multiple police converged on the scene, and when we first 20 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: see the you can hear on that nine one one 21 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: or the dispatch calls back and forth between law enforcement 22 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: and dispatch that they drive through a parking lot of 23 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: a Burger King. That's on the dashcam video that we 24 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: can see as LaQuan is trying to run away from 25 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: the police. Okay, stop right there, stop right there, you're 26 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: telling me. In the video you see the seventeen year 27 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: old running from police. Yes, ma'am. You actually can see 28 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: him run directly in front of one of the dash 29 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: cam videos that clearly shows him spreading through the Burger 30 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: King parking line. Why was he running from police? Well, 31 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: they were called because they had a report that there 32 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: was somebody breaking into cars and that the perpetrator allegedly 33 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: had a knife. That was the first call. When police arrived, 34 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: he took off. What I'm trying to determine is whether 35 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: he was a threat. Kenny Johnson, Atlanta Prosecutor. When you 36 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: have a fleeing felon, if they pose a threat like 37 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: they're firing a gun or they're armed and dangerous, that 38 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: allows police to shoot them. In this case, I'm not 39 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: hearing that. I'm hearing he was breaking into cars. It 40 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: is a lag that he had a weapon on him, 41 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: then that certainly is a threat for police. But where 42 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: this changes is that the young man was walking away 43 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: from the hold on. Hold on, Kenya, Kenya, Johnson. You 44 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: know you've had a lot of courtroom with success. But 45 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: let me give you a little phrase you may want 46 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: to use in the future. Don't bring a knife to 47 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: a gunfight. Okay, Allie, how is a knife? The cops 48 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: are armed, they're armed with and they're wearing bulletproof vests. 49 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: So he has a knife and he's running away. As 50 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: you accurately pointed out what happened, then, Dave mac police 51 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: surrounded LaQuan as he runs through the Burger King parking lot. 52 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: He is trying to get away. The police pretty much 53 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: surround him on three different sides as he walks down 54 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: the middle of the street. Now they're yelling multiple commands, 55 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: dropped the knife, you know, get down, and he's not 56 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: responsive to that. But he's not facing any of them. 57 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: He's walking away. He's nonchalantly walking away, is what he 58 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: is shown on the video from the dash cam. He 59 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: is surrounded by multiple police officers. That's when Officer Van 60 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: Dyke gets out of the car and within a matter 61 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: of seconds starts shooting. Now, when you're saying dashkim. Not 62 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: everybody knows what that means. What is dash kim? Explain? Well, 63 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: the police officer vehicles actually have a camera that is 64 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: posted on the dashboard of each vehicle so that you 65 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: can actually see their perspective or at least the perspective 66 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: directly in front of their vehicles as they're responding to 67 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: a call and after they're at the scene as we 68 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: saw on this where it actually gives the astatic video 69 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: of whatever takes place. Joining me Joseph Scott, Morgan, Professor Forensics, 70 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Fate on 71 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: Amazon Joe Scott, why is there such a thing as 72 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: dash cam video and now body cam video? Well, it 73 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: helps everybody, you know, so that you can get the 74 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: story straight. It's a live, real time of videography of 75 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: the events as the police are witnessing from their perspective. Generally, 76 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: for the police officer, the cam is positioned center mass 77 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: on their chests so that they're looking out. Sometimes they'll 78 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: have it attached to their head, but most of the 79 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: time it's on their chest. This gives you an idea 80 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: as to what they're seeing and you can get it 81 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: from multiple perspectives. For instance, in this particular case, there 82 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: are multiple units arriving on scene. You have both bodycam 83 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: views and you have dash cam views. So to you, 84 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: Dave Max, indicated talk show host, what does the video show? 85 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: The video on this one dashcam that we actually clearly 86 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: shows that LaQuan is walking down the middle of the street. 87 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: He is, and I say this non chalantly because he's 88 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: not threatening. He's not are you even spreading anymore? He's 89 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: actually walking down the middle of the street. He is 90 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: surrounded by police officers and they know that there's a 91 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: police officer on the way that has a taser gun. 92 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: He's not approaching any police. He's just walking down the 93 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: middle of the street ignoring them as if nobody's there. 94 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: Listen to fifteen feet away from you, what did he do? 95 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: He never lost eye contact. Guys are bugged now. His 96 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: face was just expressionless, and he turned his torsel towards 97 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: me and what if any He waved the knife from 98 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: his lower right side upwards across his body towards my 99 00:06:54,279 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: left shoulder, and he did them one of you. You 100 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: are Jason Van Dyke under oath to you, Dave Max 101 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: and the icitd talk show host. How many times was 102 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: he shot? Nancy? He was shot sixteen times too, Doctor 103 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: Chris Sperry joining US retired Chief Medical Examiner, Doctor Sperry 104 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: six stain gunshot wounds. What can you tell me about 105 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: Lakwan McDonald body? He was riddled with gunshot wounds. That's 106 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: some amazing. Of the sixteen times that he was shot, 107 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: almost all of the gunshots hit his arms and legs. Actually, 108 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: of the sixteen, there were only two of the gunshot 109 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: wounds which produced lethal or potentially lethal injuries. One struck 110 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: his trachea or the windpipe at his neck, and the 111 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: other struck his right lung. But the other fourteen gunshot 112 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: wounds struck his arms and legs, fractured bones, and cause 113 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: a lot of soft tissue injury. But that but there 114 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: were only two that were really ended up being the 115 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: lethal shot Dodger Sperry, How does a wound to the 116 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: trachea or the lung? How does that end up being deadly? 117 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: It seems to me that, I mean, I'm just a JD. 118 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: You're the MD. How does that end up in a 119 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: deadly wound? To be shot in the trachea or the lung? 120 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: Well a gunshot wound to the lung causes massive bleeding 121 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: inside of the chest cavity where the lung sit. Because 122 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: the lung is a giant of blood and would we breathe, 123 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: kind of the air goes in the lung and all 124 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: of the billions of little blood vessels take up the 125 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 1: oxygen and take it to our body. So it's a 126 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: giant sponge, and a gunshot wood will tear through the 127 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: lung and cause massive bleeding. A gunshot wound of the 128 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: trachea is serious because this is our windpipe. This is 129 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: how we breathe to get air down into the lung, 130 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: and this will produce severe bleeding in the airway and 131 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: unfortunately it will cause someone to actually suffocate on their 132 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: own blood. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Eighteen, a seventeen 133 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: year old is gunned down running from police. Listen to 134 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: BBC seven. Van Dyke is the first Chicago police officer 135 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: to face first agree murder charges in decades. He was 136 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: charged on the eve of the video's release, which was 137 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: more than a year after seventeen year old McDonald was killed. 138 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: Angelo says the video does not tell the whole story. 139 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: I think officer Van Dyke steps into his training mode 140 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: and takes action that he believed at that time was justified. 141 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: Mmmmm okay, So to you, Dave Mac, how damning is 142 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: that video? What does it prove? It shows that LaQuan 143 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: was not in any way a threat to the police 144 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: officers on the scene at the time he was struck, 145 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: But it shows much more than that. It actually shows 146 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: that he was shot many many times after the first 147 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: shot took him down, that there were so many shots 148 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: after he was laying in the middle of the street. 149 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: Not a threat to anyone. Mummm, so to you, Joseph 150 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, that's against all police protocol I've ever heard of. Yeah, yeah, 151 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: it is, Nancy. Once the threat is neutralized, at that point, 152 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's pointless to go on and it 153 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: gives it gives you kind of a you know, it 154 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: gives people to watch it, this idea that the individuals 155 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: are indifferent to this person's life, that it's overkilled. Even 156 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: in the video for our fans that have not seen it, 157 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: you can see debris flying up off of the asphalt 158 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: as as the bullet strike the asphalt. So it really 159 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: paints a very sour picture. Let me ask you Dave mate. 160 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: Why did it take a year for the dashcam video 161 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: to turn up, Nancy? It took thirteen months, four hundred days, 162 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: and the police and the city actually fought it. It 163 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: was only after a judge forced them to release the 164 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: dash cam video. It was the release of the dashcam 165 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: video that brought about the charges against officer Van Dyke. 166 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: The the officer was charged just a matter of hours 167 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: before they actually had to release it. They didn't want 168 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: to release that video. They tried to hold it back 169 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: to prevent the city and the people from seeing it. 170 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: I don't understand that to Kenya Johnson, Atlanta prosecutor, you know, 171 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: I hate it when there was wrongdoing on behalf of cops, 172 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: and it's happened with cops that I've used in vice 173 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: cases before, because it takes every case they've ever touched. 174 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: Why But still, long story short, the state is duty 175 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: bound to seek justice. Why would they fight the release 176 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: of the video. Well, the law protects ongoing investigation, So 177 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: even if you were to file an open records request, 178 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: as long as the investigation is still open or the 179 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: agency says it is, and they're not bound to release it. However, 180 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: those elected officials that run on transparency. That's what the 181 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: public wants to hear, and they want to be able 182 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 1: to have access to this. And so the people that 183 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: have no problems, they're not afraid of what they've done, 184 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: they feel like they're justified, then they should just go 185 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: ahead and release it and allow the public to form 186 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: their own opinion, which ultimately is going to happen anyway. 187 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Urfred Evelyn Holmes at ABC seven, 188 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,599 Speaker 1: through his lawyer and Jason Van Dyke entered a not 189 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: guilty ply in court after prosecutors tacked on sixty more 190 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: counts and a new indictment and the shooting death of 191 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: Laquon McDonald. Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke now faces 192 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: new charges in the shooting of LaQuan McDonald and a 193 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: new indictment unsealed today. Sixteen counts of aggravated battery with 194 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: a firearm, one for each shot fired at the teenager, 195 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: were handed down last week by grand jury following the 196 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: request of the case's special prosecutor, came County Assistant States 197 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: Attorney Joseph McMahon, who was appointed in August of last year. 198 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: This morning's indictment still includes these six counts of first 199 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: degree murder, as well as one count of fial misconduct 200 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: that were filed against Van Dyke in November twenty fifteen. 201 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: The thirty eight year old Chicago comp is accused of 202 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: shooting seventeen year old Quan McDonald sixteen times in October 203 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, but wasn't charged until a year later, when 204 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: dash cam video of the incident was released, sparking protests 205 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: across the city and the country. Listen to officer Jason 206 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: Van Dyke under Oh, was Quan McDonald doom advancing on me? 207 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: And could you see him his face? Yeah? I could, 208 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: I wondered anything. Did you notice about the space? His 209 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: face had no expression, His eyes were just bugging out 210 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: of his head. He had just these huge white eyes 211 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: just staring right through me. And did you see anything? 212 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: To quasto, I was yelling at him, dropped the knife. 213 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times, but it's all I yell. 214 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: And did he keep it advancing toward me? He never stopped. 215 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: How closity gets to you good, probably about ten to 216 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: fifteen feet away from me. To Dave Matt, is that 217 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: what the video shows? No, ma'am. And actually you know 218 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: when he says that he was that LaQuan was advancing 219 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: on him. If you go back and watch that dash 220 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: cam video, you can actually see LaQuan walking in a 221 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: straight line down the street. The only person advancing was 222 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: Officer Van Dyke when he exits the vehicle and continues 223 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: to approach la Quan. Listen to BBC seven. The suspended 224 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: police officer will have his day in court today appears 225 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: to begin the local process that will likely result in 226 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: Jason Van Dyke on trial. Murder. The Chicago police officer 227 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: at the center of a controversial civilian shooting, had no 228 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: comment as he walked into a Cook County courthouse amid 229 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: heckling from the crowd. The fourth today, Officer Jason Van 230 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: Dyke pleaded not guilty for the murder of Laquon McDonald. 231 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: Video of the shooting gain national attention. McDonald's family wants 232 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: the court proceedings to also get as much attention. McDonald 233 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: was shot sixteen times last October. Police had been pursuing 234 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: McDonald for allegedly trying to break into park cards. Officer 235 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: Van Dyke, now suspended from the Chicago Police Department, was 236 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: on the scene four seconds before firing at the seventeen 237 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: year old. Prosecutors previously alleged some of the shots were 238 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: fired once the teenager with a three inch folding knife 239 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: was on the ground to listen our friends at pot 240 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: thirty two. The Jason Vandyke jury heard today from two 241 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: eyewitnesses to the LaQuan mc donald shooting, one of them 242 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: a police officer Jason Vandyke's partner, the other one a 243 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: twenty six year old man who just happened upon the scene. 244 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: While he was on his feet, did you see him 245 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: make any threatening movements? No. After he's on the ground 246 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: and you said you heard more and more shots, did 247 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: you see him make any threatening movements? No, not at all. 248 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: Xavier Torres's father was driving him to the hospital with 249 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: flu symptoms when they noticed a lot of police activity 250 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: and went to see what was going on. Torres told 251 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: the jury that Lakwan McDonald did not appear to be 252 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: threatening police before he was shot. What did it appear 253 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: he was doing when he was walking southwest? Just again, 254 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: looks like he was shying to get away from from 255 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: other officers. Torres's testimony was contradicted by Jason Van Dyke's partner. 256 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: On the night of the shooting. Former officer Joseph Walsh 257 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: testified that dash cam video of the incident doesn't reflect 258 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: what he saw. My angle is totally different from that perspective, 259 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: he told the jury. Well, the jury got to see 260 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: if we're themselves listen to this. We adjoury find the defendant, 261 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: Jason Bandit, guilty of second degree murder. We the jury 262 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: find a defendant, j Aband guilty of aggravated battery with 263 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: the firearm first shots. We joury find a defendant by 264 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: guilty of aggravated battery with the firearm second shots. We 265 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: jury find a defendant, Jason Bandit, guilty of aggravated battery 266 00:18:35,840 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: with farm six shots. Crime stories with me It's grace. 267 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: We jury find the defendant, Jason Vandi, guilty of second 268 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: degree murder. We adjoury find the defendant Jamandi am guilty 269 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: of aggravated battery with the firearm first shot. We enjoury 270 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: find a defendant by guilty of aggravated battery with the firearm. 271 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: The second shots. We jury find the defendant Jason Vand 272 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: guilty of aggravated battery with firearm six shots. Okay, let 273 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: me understand, Dave Matt what was the sentence. The sentence 274 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: is what is actually shocking, Nancy um a little over 275 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: six years on the charge of second degree murder, along 276 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: with those sixteen counts of aggravated battery being folded into 277 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: that decision. The judge okay, wait, wait, wait, six years, 278 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: that's it, that's it. Hold on, tell me that again. 279 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: What did you just say, six years on witch count 280 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: on the second degree murder charge? Did he have gotten 281 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: on second degree murder? Well? All, I think with all 282 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: of the charges, including the sixteen aggravated battery charges, he 283 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: was looking at sixty or seventy years. Okay, what happened 284 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: to all those agg battery charges, what happened to these 285 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: sentences on them? Well? What they actually did the judge, 286 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: and you'll know a lot more about this than me, 287 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: But the aggravated battery the more serious charge on the 288 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: books and carried the stiffer penalty. But the judge in 289 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: this case decided on that murder, the second agree murder 290 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: being more serious in the case. So all the convictions, 291 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: the sixteen accounts of aggravated battery were actually folded into 292 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: the murder conviction under one Act law. That's how they 293 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 1: could give him such a short sentence. Okay, I think 294 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: I know what he's saying. To Kenya Johnson, Atlanta prosecutor explained, well, 295 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: you've got maximum and mandatory minimums on some murder charges, 296 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: but in this case there was no mandatory minimum, so 297 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: the judge had the full range of sentencing options to 298 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: include pulvation if the judge wanted to wait, are you 299 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: telling me that a second degree murder charge in that 300 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: jurisdiction of Chicago you can get straight probation for second 301 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: degree murder With the six year sentence, it doesn't appear 302 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: that there's any mandatory sentence, and the judge has the 303 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 1: ability to suspend or probbate or in custody any charge 304 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 1: that they want as far as the sentence is concerned. 305 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: And even though the jury spoke and the community spoke, 306 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: what ultimately matters is that judge his opinion, and by 307 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: this six year sentence, the judge felt that this defendant 308 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: was somehow justified in some way to allow for a 309 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: much lesser sentence than the case than the case required. 310 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: Take a listener, friends. At pot thirty two, Judge Vincent 311 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: Gone sentencing Jason Van Dyke to eighty one months in 312 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: prison and two years of mandatory supervision on the second 313 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: degree murder charges. He said he made no judgment at 314 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: all on the sixteen counts of aggravated battery, rolling those 315 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: all into one action and tying them into the second 316 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: degree murder charges only. Well, there is the theory of merger, okay, 317 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: and that's this is what that means. Let's just say 318 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: that doctor Chris Sperry breaks into my house and steals 319 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: what can he steal? The cat tree? Okay, So we 320 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: have a felony burglary. Doesn't matter what you steal. If 321 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: you break into a home in or a home with 322 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: felonious intent intend to commit a felony, that's a burglary. Okay. 323 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: We don't also charge him with criminal trespass. We don't 324 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: also charge him with attempted burglary, because all of those 325 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: incidents merge into the ultimate indictment on burglary. Okay. So 326 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if in this case, the batteries, the aggravated batteries, 327 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: which would be shooting someone causing them a loss of blood, 328 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: loss of lung, loss of use of your trachea, if 329 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: those did not merge to the second degree murder. That's 330 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about the One Act, the merger law. 331 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: So what I'm understanding to syndicated talk show host Dave Mack. 332 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: In addition to second degree murderer, Van Dyke was also 333 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: convicted on sixteen counts of agg battery, one for each 334 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: shot that was fired. But it seems that the judge 335 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: did not factor in the aggravated battery counts. No, he didn't. 336 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: He just folded it all together. And you know that's 337 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: why he said at the beginning, I assume a hundred 338 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: percent of the people are going to be disappointed in 339 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: this decision. You know, the Attorney General, the special prosecutor, 340 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: they all appealed to get a stiffer sentence, but all 341 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: those they were all denied. Well, we also know that 342 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: minimum maximum on second degree murderer in that jurisdiction is 343 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: four to twenty years, so he did sentence within that. 344 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: But oh gosh, well what about this do we know, 345 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: Dave macdid he didn't fire or did he fire all 346 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: sixteen rounds? According to everything we've seen, Nancy, he's the 347 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: only one that fired his weapon. So all sixteen rounds 348 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: directly attributed to Van Dyke. Wow, okay, what can you 349 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: tell me about the investigation that ensued. It was a 350 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: thirteen month long investigation into Chicago PD that followed the 351 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: shooting Nancy. There were multiple investigations that went on, and 352 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, a thirteen month investigation into the Chicago 353 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,400 Speaker 1: Police Department, because you've got to remember that, not only 354 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: did they have the report from Van Dyke of what 355 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: he claimed happened the night he shot Lakwan McDonald, there 356 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: are other officers on the scene that also fired reports 357 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: that seemed to corroborate what Van Dyke was claiming happened. 358 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: And based on what we've seen in the video and 359 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: what we saw in court, well, somebody wasn't being truthful 360 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: on what they were backing up. That's what led to 361 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: the US Justice Department actually reporting some horrible results on 362 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: what they found out during their investigation into the Chicago 363 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: p D. Well, you know, I know that you're saying 364 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: that all those cops corroborated what Van Dyke says, but 365 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: that's not what the video says. So you know, I 366 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: don't really care what everybody else is saying to try 367 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: to cover for him, and that's not what the video says. 368 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Dane Plaqueo Fox thirty two. 369 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: When you feel safe in prison? Are you concerned about 370 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: your safety in prison? Yeah? Concerned. When I had to 371 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: go to county jail eight is for personal protection. I 372 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: can't remember the exact term. What was it, Lincoln County Jail. 373 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: It was horrible. I was in solitary confinement twenty three 374 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: hours a day. When I went out, I be the 375 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: only individual out on the floor. He had an hour 376 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: to shower, try and make a phone call at by 377 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: every six o'clock in the morning to a loved one. 378 00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: They wouldn't let you interact with anybody else. Clint, you 379 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: were that high risk. Yes. Now in the last days, 380 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: what happened to the cop officer Jason Van Dyke when 381 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: he was put in jail following the guilty verdict. You know, 382 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: they actually had him in a jail. They're not far 383 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: from Chicago, and they had to move him into a 384 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: federal prison. It was only a matter of hours after 385 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: he was moved into a new prison that somehow a 386 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: number of inmates got to him and apparently allegedly beat 387 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: him up. Nothing life threatening, but they let him know 388 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: that he was not wanted in general population. Dave Mack 389 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: is it true that officer Jason Van Dyke had a 390 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: long history of allegations of excessive force? Yes, man, for years, Nancy, 391 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: this guy had over twenty different reports of excessive force 392 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: or using racial epithets. I mean, we had nine different 393 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: charges against him from the community where they claimed he 394 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: used excessive force and nothing was ever done. You know. 395 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: To doctor Patricia Saunder, psychologists joining us from New York, 396 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: why is this so dangerous a precedent? The blue Wall 397 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: has been in place for a very long and it's 398 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: inadequate protection of the public when police are willing to 399 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: or allegedly falsifying reports of serious crimes committed by a 400 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: police and they don't monitor themselves adequately. It hurts me 401 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: so much when a police officer is convicted or suspected 402 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: of wrongdoing, because I love the system. I'm part of 403 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: the system, but we can never choose to turn away 404 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: from injustice, and this is injustice. He had to be convicted. 405 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: What he did was wrong, and it puts a pale 406 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: on all future cases because people will think of this case. 407 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: To Dave mac you mentioned the investigation into the Chicago 408 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: Police depart following this shooting. It reportedly sparked reform. What 409 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,440 Speaker 1: type of reform. Well, a number of higher ups in 410 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: the police department were either fired or allowed to retire. 411 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: The reforms go all the way down to retraining police 412 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: officers on how to interact with individuals they come into 413 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: contact with. The results of the investigation, Nancy, are horrific 414 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: and you would be shocked to see the level of 415 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: evidence of racial bias, the evidence of unchecked violence against 416 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: the regular citizenry when they came in contact with the 417 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: police department prior to this happening. He could be released 418 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: after just three years? Is that true? And do you 419 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: believe justice was served? Yeah? Three years, Nancy, And no, 420 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm it makes me say to my stomach to think 421 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: that this is what can happen. This is not justice. 422 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: It's not justice for LaQuan, It's not justice for anybody. 423 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Her name is Ada Adaya Shabani, 424 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: Beautiful inside and out, say her close friends, who also 425 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: say they're worried sick over the twenty five year old 426 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: who's been missing since February twenty third. We just pray 427 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: for her and hopefully she's gonna show up. Her acting 428 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: teacher saying She'd never missed a class until that faithful 429 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: day February twenty third, when she was last seen near 430 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: her apartment complex on Wilcox and Hollywood Boulevard. Since then, 431 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: say sources, her phone has not been used, and the 432 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: girl who used to post daily on her social media 433 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: accounts has gone silent. We are talking about a beautiful, 434 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: beautiful young girl, a missing model. You is well, a 435 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: body has been found in a shallow California grave. What 436 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 1: do we know? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 437 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Straight out to crime 438 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: online dot com investigative reporter Lee Egan Crime Online, where 439 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: you can find this in all of the breaking crim 440 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: in justice news. Lee. I want to start with how 441 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: she goes missing. Tell me that and then we'll figure 442 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: out from what we know if this is her in 443 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: the shallow grave. Well, Nancy, what we know is, at 444 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: around eleven am February twenty third, twenty eighteen, she sends 445 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: a text to a friend asking for red candles, and 446 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: then after that nothing. There was no activity on any 447 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: of her social media accounts, and she was extremely active 448 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: on all of those no text messages. Her phone shut 449 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: off shortly after her last message and then she's just 450 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: gone completely disappeared, joining me right now, Juvenile court judge, 451 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: trial attorney. You can find her at Ashley Wilcot dot 452 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: com Ashley Wilcot. That's significant. Now, that doesn't tell me 453 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: any intricacies or any details of her disappearance, But more 454 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: and more cops are looking at your cell phone, your 455 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: social media. If you're an active poster or you live 456 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: on your cell phone, you're constantly texting and then suddenly 457 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: it goes quiet. That's a big, circumstantial piece of evidence. Absolutely, 458 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: it's a great clue, especially Nancy, given this. We all 459 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: know that those who enjoy social media don't usually take 460 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: a break or not do it unless they've gone on 461 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: a little weekend trip or a vacation, but then they 462 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: go right back to the social media. So when someone 463 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: doesn't like she didn't on Monday, that's a huge clue 464 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: that there's a problem. The other thing I have to 465 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: say is, boy, does it not give you a clue 466 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: to hear that she went reached out to a friend 467 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: about getting red candles, which to me suggests a romantic weekend, 468 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: a weekend away with someone special, and then disappears. Wow, 469 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't think that at all. I would think ray candle's. Oh, 470 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm sticking away a candle holder somewhere that I hope 471 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: and pray to God the twins never lie and burn 472 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: down the house. You think romantic weekend away, Okay, I'm 473 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: just gonna take that with a box of salt. Take 474 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at KTLA. This is Rick Chamber, 475 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: Susan's here. They hit the sidewalk this evening here in Hollywood, 476 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: getting the word out about Addia Shabani, who disappeared six 477 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: days ago. I don't know, I don't know what to think. 478 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: I I just want to find her. The twenty five 479 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: year old actress left her apartment here at the Duet 480 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: on Wilcox in Hollywood last Friday at about noon, and 481 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: no one has seen her since, which is out of character. 482 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: This is not her, This is not her. Something is 483 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: going on with her. We don't know where she's it's 484 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: just so sad. We're just hoping she's alive. At first, 485 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: friends thought Shavanni was just busy, but then she missed 486 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: an important class here at the Stella Adler Theater. So 487 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: those same friends ask the LAPD to do a welfare 488 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 1: check back at her apartment. You know, right there, you're 489 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: hearing what leads up to the announcement that this beautiful 490 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: young actress, Adiashabani has gone missing, and she really is gorgeous. 491 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 1: In the acting world, you know, you meet so many 492 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: different people. You're constantly going for tryouts and auditions to 493 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: Karen start joining me psychologist at Karen Stark dot com, 494 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: joining me today out of New York. You know, Karen. 495 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: In that line of business, you're constantly meeting different people 496 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: at all of these audiens. It's not like a lot 497 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: of people go to their office every day and they're 498 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: around the same people every day, So you kind of 499 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: have a smaller group of people to suspect when you're 500 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: out doing auditions, traveling from one place to the next, 501 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: trying to get a gig. It really widens up the 502 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: scope of investigation. It does. It definitely does. But she 503 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: had so many people that she was staying in touch 504 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 1: with and so many friends that after a while she 505 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: knew enough people that they were worried about her and 506 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: I success that under those circumstances, they really didn't know 507 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: her and they understood that something was definitely wrong. You know, 508 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about the discovery of a body in 509 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: a shallow grave. Here is Katie TV's Feel Human Listening 510 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: a shallow grave. This is about fifty miles north of Sacramento. 511 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: The LAPD says they believe the remains are Shabani's, that 512 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: is not one hundred percent. They do not yet have 513 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: a cause of death, or they are saying they believed 514 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: that Shabani was the victim of a homicide. Let's hear 515 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: from Captain Hayes, Los Angeles. Pushed divers were searching that 516 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: area and walking the shores. There was a water's edge 517 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: where they found what they believed to be a shallow grave. 518 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: When we checked it, we were able to determine that 519 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: it contain human remains, but because of the condition of 520 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: the area, we were not able to recover the body immediately. 521 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: You know, I want to go out to our friend, 522 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: doctor William Maroney, Deputy medical Examiner, Bay County, Michigan, author 523 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: of American Narcan on Amazon to doctor William Maroney, how 524 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: do you go about identifying remains that have been out 525 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 1: in the desert in a shallow grave and what does 526 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: that temperature and those circumstances due to the body. The 527 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: first thing you have to look at is a chart 528 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: of humidity and temperature to judge backwards and calculate how 529 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: old or how long it's been there. And that's going 530 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: to entail entomology, the study of insects that eat carrion 531 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: and carnage and break the body down after gaseous discomposition. 532 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,720 Speaker 1: Anybody outside any not anybody like like all you buddies, 533 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: but a body, any body is going to go through 534 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: regular decomposition, which could take you know, a couple days 535 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: in warm weather, a couple of weeks it was cool. 536 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: But bugs, flies, gnats, and maggots break the body down 537 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: based on temperature and humidity, and the blowfly sets up 538 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: eggs that hatch in a couple of days and then 539 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: help decomposition and eat tissue, and then they grow through 540 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: stages that take a various number of partial weeks, and 541 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: then those maggots turn into flies themselves, and they're able 542 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: to trace that. Now later, when a body is drier 543 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: and it's undergone significant decomposition, other insects like beetles come 544 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: into the scene. So as long as you're dealing with 545 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: blowflies and maggots, you're talking about a relative number of 546 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: days or weeks, no more than three or four weeks. 547 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to go out to special guest, Ashley Wilcott, 548 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: joining us. This guy, this person of interest, Spots. What 549 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: do you believe was at the heart of her crime 550 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: of passion? I think, no matter what, hands down, this 551 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: is a crime of passion. Something about again leaving with 552 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: the suitcases, with the red candles, the fact that she 553 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,240 Speaker 1: had the trauma that she endured, where she was buried, 554 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: how far away. I think it was a crime of passion. 555 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: And then they said, oh, we've got to do something 556 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: with this body, and this is what we're gonna do. 557 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, I agree with you because this guy, thirty 558 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 1: three year old Chris Spots, had been Adia's boyfriend, okay, 559 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: and he had been engaged to another woman. We know 560 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: that there was a high speed police chase. At the end, 561 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: he kills himself. Why would he do that if he 562 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: were not somehow involved with this? We wait as justice unfolds. 563 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: If you have information, tipline two one, three, four, eight, six, 564 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: six eight nine zero. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, 565 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,