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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired to Hunt's rut Fresh Radio, bringing you

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Speaker 1: the latest reports from the whitetail Woods, presented by First Light,

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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.

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Speaker 1: First Light Go farther, stay longer, and now your hosts

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Speaker 1: Case Smith and Tyler Jones.

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Speaker 2: Seasons are continuing to open up around the country in

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Speaker 2: the early season. Hive ain't slowing down, no time soon.

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Speaker 2: This is Retfresh. Let's go. Welcome to Refresh Radio, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by First Light Gear. I'm your host k C.

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Speaker 2: Smith and Tyler Jones is here from Afar. He has

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Speaker 2: joined us from the Netherlands. I come from Afar. I

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Speaker 2: gotta I got a joke. Actually do you let's hear

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Speaker 2: it's a man now, I forgot it. It's something like,

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Speaker 2: how do you know the three wise men were firefighters?

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Speaker 2: How do you know? Because as they said, I come

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Speaker 2: from Afar, Afar as southern firefighters. Yeah, that's it. I

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Speaker 2: like it. I like it a lot. Well. This episode

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Speaker 2: of Refresh Radio, of course, is filled with some good

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Speaker 2: reports from around the country. I feel really good about

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Speaker 2: like our zones, you know, because early season it's hard

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Speaker 2: to get different states because there's only a few states open,

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Speaker 2: but I think this week we have all new states.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited about that. But before that, Tyler Jones, you

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Speaker 2: yourself have actually been doing some early season hunting career.

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Speaker 3: I have, Man, I have.

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Speaker 4: It's been Uh, it's been a learning experience. And what

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Speaker 4: I learned was that I don't want to hunt early

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I can kind of empathize with that a little bit,

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Speaker 2: I think. Yeah, I mean there's some there's definitely some

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Speaker 2: deeming qualities to it. I think early season, to me,

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Speaker 2: it just seems that if you have something figured out,

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Speaker 2: it's gold. But if you go try to figure something

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Speaker 2: the worst thing in your life. Huh. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I think you see, you know, it gets harder

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Speaker 4: early season. I think every year it feels like you

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of it is people are understanding that,

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Speaker 4: you know, traveling to hunt early season is very tough.

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Speaker 4: And again, if you have the spot, if you have

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Speaker 4: get in daylight, great, it's going to be awesome early

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Speaker 4: season for you. Outside of that, it can be kind

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Speaker 4: try to catch one bugle in and I think that's what.

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Speaker 2: I want to do next day. It sounds like a

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Speaker 2: lot of raw tags. So you went to North Dakota, yep,

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Speaker 2: And can you give us a quick synopsis about what

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Speaker 4: Closest I got to a deer was probably seven yards

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Speaker 4: that the report there from North Dakota is one million mosquitoes.

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Speaker 2: You've seen them from a different part of the state.

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Speaker 2: So I can see that well, I think that's good

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Speaker 4: We've got Ticnick Gonzales, he's out there, he's been in Arkansas.

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Speaker 2: He has been hunting white tail deer in the state

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Speaker 5: Oh no, muss, just go back and very itchy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Arkansas has an early season buck only hunts. What you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's a new thing this year for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: What kind of food were you targeting?

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Speaker 5: Beans in certain parts of this of this public. Uh

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Speaker 2: Gotcha. So, uh did you have deer hidings? Uh? I did?

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Speaker 2: Gotcha. Cool? Uh. So do you feel like you should

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Speaker 5: the place that I've hunted in the past wasn't open

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Speaker 5: Okay yeah, and just like crp fields and stuff like

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Speaker 2: I got you. So, did you see, dear, why you're

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Speaker 2: Man, that's tough. Yeah. Do you think that what was

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Speaker 5: Actually yesterday morning was I think fifty three, so pretty

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I just did you think that they negatively

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Speaker 5: The temperatures, I don't think so, I don't think that

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Speaker 2: I only had like a day to scout.

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Speaker 5: I didn't want to go in there and just blow

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw the same thing this week. Deer we're not.

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Speaker 4: Moving far in daylight at all, and I think that

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Speaker 4: And what I saw was that deer is still very much.

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Speaker 5: I think I might have jumped one, but I didn't

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Speaker 2: But other than that, No, Yeah, did you hunt wine? H? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: My trip got cut a little bit short because I

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Speaker 2: Just find some rubes, like fresh rubes. I didn't, surprisingly,

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm, I'd still I'd still probably keep it pretty low.

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Speaker 2: Like a three. Yeah, yeah, that's good and realistic. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you would, you would, you would push closer

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just like what you were saying, I don't think

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Speaker 2: So cool man. Appreciate the report. Yeah, no problem. I'll

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Speaker 2: This is Dakota Wellman. He's a Kentucky hunter and has

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Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're welcome. Dude. So we were talking off air

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Speaker 2: and you got it done. Now, tell me what is

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Speaker 6: It was a lot of history, that repetitive history on

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Speaker 3: They will normally do, especially early season, before the pressure hits,

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Speaker 6: I seen him opening day last year and seeing him

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Speaker 2: How about that? So you shot this deer opening day, yes,

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Speaker 2: working day, Very cool dude. So that deer is starting

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Speaker 2: Do you see that the deer when they start to

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Speaker 3: I have deer that will completely vanish from the area

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Speaker 6: That year in particular, never left that area. That was

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Speaker 2: So why was Opening day like when you needed to

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Speaker 3: Toll front hit here in Kentucky and it was a

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Speaker 3: I think the temperature dropped thirty degrees. The high was

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Speaker 2: There and get it. Are these deer that you're hunting

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Speaker 3: Well, this year they will. There's a lot of beans,

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Speaker 3: but the beans have turned early this year won a

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Speaker 3: But as far as natural brows and all that, that's

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Speaker 2: What natural brows would you say was most key in

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Speaker 3: I would say I was this year come into some

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Speaker 6: But it was a green food source and that's what

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Speaker 3: The weather got him up before dark, and the green,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So looking forward to the next week, I would

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Speaker 3: I'm going to say for a couple of days afterwards,

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Speaker 6: But I think for a few days after they're going

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Speaker 3: A whole lot, just do the fact they hit a

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Speaker 4: So on a scale of one to ten, what would

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it's gonna be probably around a five

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Speaker 2: The heat again. Got my favorite number, man, Yep, I

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Speaker 2: like it. It's it's realistic. You know, everybody this tiny

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Speaker 6: Not ripping scrape yet and doing that kind of stuff. Yet,

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Speaker 2: Cool to Got to appreciate the report, man, and congrats

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Speaker 6: Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Now I've got Grant forty with the Everyday at Doorsman

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Speaker 2: what's happening, bro, Not.

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Speaker 7: Too much, just really excited here at the start a

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Speaker 7: Got the season started and looking forward for what's the company.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I was falling along on social looks like

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Speaker 2: you got a freezer, queen, So that's good. You got

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, bang. So it was a good opening day

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Speaker 2: But a little bit of meat in the freezer, yeah

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Speaker 2: So what's the move in Maryland this time of year?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's early season like this. It's the food sources

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Speaker 7: so that's another big food source. So that's kind of

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Speaker 7: the strategy is you know, figure out where they're feeding,

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Speaker 2: So oh yeah, that's.

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Speaker 2: Do you find that there's a lot of pressure there

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, for sure. There's a lot of guys that

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Speaker 4: I would say, do you find that opening weekend that

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Speaker 7: So I would say the first day of the season,

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Speaker 4: Gotcha, are you you spend time hunting in the mornings

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Speaker 7: I do? Yeah, Yeah, I do still hunt the mornings.

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Speaker 7: We've we've had some success doing that. Especially if you

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Speaker 2: What is a cool morning? Like? What temperature range you

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Speaker 7: A cool morning this time of year. If it's fifty

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Speaker 7: five or lass, that's that's pretty solid. Like we've we've

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Speaker 4: Do you consider those oak trees that are dropping a

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Speaker 4: food source or more of like a staging food source,

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Speaker 4: like a destination or a staging food source.

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Speaker 7: Some of both honestly, there are some some big oak

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Speaker 7: flats that we hunt in and around that are I

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Speaker 7: would say a destination food source where the deer might

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Speaker 7: be all night long or at least close to them

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Speaker 7: all night long. And then there's other ones that are

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Speaker 7: in between betting areas and crop fields that are definitely

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Speaker 7: used as more of a staging area. So some of both.

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Speaker 7: You know, you just got kind of I guess, gotta

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Speaker 7: know everything that's around and be able to put the

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Speaker 7: pieces of the puzzle together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool, man. So after your experience, you know,

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Speaker 2: this weekend and seeing how pressure is effective the deer,

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Speaker 2: and you know, considering weather and all that into account.

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Speaker 2: Here as we look forward to the next week, on

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Speaker 2: a scale of one to ten, what do you think

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Speaker 2: that you'd rank the buck movement in Maryland?

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Speaker 7: Well, I always hate to be negative. I don't. I

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Speaker 7: don't think it's gonna be very good. I gotta be honest,

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Speaker 7: I don't think he'll be very good this next week.

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Speaker 7: I would I guess I would probably rate it a free.

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Speaker 7: It's that there's gonna be a lot of hunting pressure,

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Speaker 7: and the temperatures are gonna be pretty warm and even

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Speaker 7: warmer than average. I would say I think are highs

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Speaker 7: the next week. A lot of the days the highs

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Speaker 7: are in the low eighties, so it's gonna be warm,

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Speaker 7: and the deer still feeling the hunting pressure from opening

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Speaker 7: weekend and opening week here. So unfortunately, I don't think

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Speaker 7: he'll be very good. That doesn't mean that you can't

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Speaker 7: get it done. You still can get it done. It's

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Speaker 7: get close to betting if you're getting away from hunting

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Speaker 7: pressure finding a way to do that, getting close to bedding,

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Speaker 7: or when it's really warm, if you have a good

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Speaker 7: spot to hunt over water, that could be a good

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Speaker 7: ticket as well. But overall, I don't think. I don't

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Speaker 7: think it'll be very good, so I probably have to

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Speaker 7: give it free.

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Speaker 2: Hey man, I appreciate a realistic rating as opposed to

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Speaker 2: just you know one that's in blind optimism, so I

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Speaker 2: think our listeners will as well. So thanks a lot, grant.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, hey, thanks a lot for having me on.

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Speaker 7: Guys really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: This is Mitchell Johnson with Dead End Game Calls my

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Speaker 2: brother in Christ. How are you today, sir?

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Speaker 8: I'm great, brother, I hope you guys are.

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Speaker 2: We are, man, it's it's a good day around these parts.

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Speaker 2: Deer season has started and you've been doing some hunting

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Speaker 2: North Carolina. What is the deer hunting like right now?

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Speaker 8: Man, dear, that's pretty good right now. Deer are moving

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Speaker 8: in daylight hours. A lot of great bucks are being

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Speaker 8: killed throughout North Carolina. You know, I'm from the mountain region,

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Speaker 8: which is kind of different from the Piedmont region in

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Speaker 8: the coastal region. We have a dramatic difference in elevation

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Speaker 8: and change as far as the topography goes. But you know,

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Speaker 8: deer moving great, and it's great time to be in

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Speaker 8: the woods.

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Speaker 2: So are you hunting mountain deer? Then where you're at.

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Speaker 8: We are we're kind of the mountains and the foothills,

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Speaker 8: And honestly, it depends on where a hunt. I could

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Speaker 8: drive forty five minutes one way or the other and

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Speaker 8: you kind of throw me into the foothills, and then

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Speaker 8: if I'm around home, I'm in the mountains.

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Speaker 2: So in that area of the country, I'm assuming that

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Speaker 2: that natural brows is a big deal deer, big deal,

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Speaker 2: excuse me. And you could be having acrons at any

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Speaker 2: point in time because you have a variance in elevation, right,

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Speaker 2: So are you seeing acrons already or when does that

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Speaker 2: come about?

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Speaker 8: Acrons was dropping already, yes, sir. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 8: I was in the woods yesterday and that was one

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Speaker 8: of the things that I noted around the home. They

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Speaker 8: started dropping probably seven or eight days ago, and so

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Speaker 8: definitely the deer patterns are changing, that's for certain. You know,

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Speaker 8: in North Carolina is legal to bait deer, so a

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Speaker 8: lot of people throw out their bait and mostly deer

517
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Speaker 8: corner peanuts, and they hunt over that bait. But the

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Speaker 8: deer's activity is getting ready to flip. That switch is flipping.

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Speaker 8: When those white oak acorns start hitting the ground. Man,

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Speaker 8: it's a game changer. So you got to come off

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Speaker 8: of that bait and start hunting those transition areas to

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Speaker 8: those white oat flats.

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Speaker 4: Mitchell, we've been seeing some pretty brisk temperatures around Texas

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Speaker 4: the last week or so. Has anything been abnormal for

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Speaker 4: you guys? There's pretty pretty normal temps.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think this morning it was forty nine degrees

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Speaker 8: when I woke up, and so that's yeah, it's very nice.

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Speaker 8: And honestly, you know, I hunted opening day. Our opening

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Speaker 8: day of deer season was light. This past Saturday, and

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Speaker 8: I took a young man that was a good friend

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Speaker 8: of my son's, mister Levi Webb, and he and Mason

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Speaker 8: and his dad, David. We're all gathered together in our

533
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Speaker 8: ground blind together was tight quarters, to say the least.

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Speaker 8: We had an awesome hunt. Levi actually ended up missing

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Speaker 8: a nice seven pointer and then just literally like two

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Speaker 8: minutes later, he missed a great eight pointer. And yeah,

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Speaker 8: you know, sad for him because you hate that he

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Speaker 8: missed the deer. At least he didn't want the deer.

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Speaker 8: But man, he's in high spirits. When I went back

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Speaker 8: yesterday afternoon and had a great hunt, just didn't see

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Speaker 8: the bucks I was wanting to see. Seen a couple

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Speaker 8: of dos, but definitely these temperatures, it's probably the coolest

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Speaker 8: opening day. I think it was seventy six degrees when

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Speaker 8: we went to the ground blind if I remember correct.

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Speaker 8: And man, that's one of the cooler opening days I

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Speaker 8: can remember here North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: Man. So I mean, if you had to choose peanuts

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Speaker 2: or corn.

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Speaker 8: That's a hard choice. Buddy, I'm gonna go. I love.

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Speaker 8: There's a mineral and a corn attitude that I throw

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Speaker 8: out a lot.

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Speaker 6: It's called right white tail.

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Speaker 8: Mineral, and I throw that out quite a bit. They

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Speaker 8: have a tendency to love it just almost as much

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Speaker 8: as acorn. So you know, you can't go wrong with

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Speaker 8: any of the three.

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Speaker 2: So y'all have been seeing quite a few bucks. Are

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Speaker 2: any of those bucks telling velvet or they all mostly shed?

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Speaker 8: They are? So the seventh pointer that Levi missed, it

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Speaker 8: was shed, and then a few minutes later the eight

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Speaker 8: pointer that he missed was just a beautiful basket rat

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Speaker 8: and full velvet.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool. It's a little bit of both. And when

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Speaker 2: those deer shed, do you kind of see them shift

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Speaker 2: their kind of their core area?

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Speaker 8: Oh, they shift their core area. Well, I'll say this,

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Speaker 8: it usually takes them a week or two to start

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Speaker 8: making that shift and they start to break apart a

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Speaker 8: little bit more, you know, two or three weeks into

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Speaker 8: our season. That's what we see typically here in North Carolina.

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Speaker 8: I am seeing some bucks by theirself now more so

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Speaker 8: than what I have in the past.

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Speaker 6: Our opening week.

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Speaker 4: The TIMPs are going to be increasing for us next

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Speaker 4: week and we're going to see some nineties and stuff

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Speaker 4: like that. Are you guys anticipating that to happen where

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Speaker 4: you're at.

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Speaker 8: To be honest with you, I don't have a clue.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, if you were to say, based off your

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Speaker 4: hunting the last day here or a day or two,

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Speaker 4: what would you what would you think that buck movement

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Speaker 4: is going to be in the next week on a

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Speaker 4: scale of one to ten, So.

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Speaker 8: I think bunck moving on a scale of one to ten.

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Speaker 8: One would depend upon temperatures, but also will depend on

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Speaker 8: that moon. You know, the moon phase is changing, you

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Speaker 8: know right now we you know earlier in September was

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Speaker 8: in that new moon pattern. Then I think tomorrow is

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Speaker 8: supposed to be in the first quarter, and then sept

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Speaker 8: I think on the seventeenth we're supposed to have a

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Speaker 8: full moon, and that full moon will change things dramatically.

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Speaker 8: You know, deer will go to that midday feeding pattern

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Speaker 8: or nighttime feeding feeding pattern. And no doubt that moon

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Speaker 8: phase plays a huge role and movement of white tails.

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Speaker 8: So I think you're going to see the white tailed

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Speaker 8: move as far as hunting times go, decrease over the

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Speaker 8: next week just because of that moon pattern.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so scale of one to ten, if you had

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Speaker 4: to give it a number, what do you think.

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Speaker 8: Next week you're going to look at about a four

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Speaker 8: to five.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha, all right? I thought of that. Yeah. Well, you

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Speaker 2: know down here in Texas they discourage you hunting them,

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Speaker 2: not in daylight ours. I don't know if North Carolines

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Speaker 2: like that. Mitchell appreciate you always, man, thank you so much.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 2: Man, I appreciate the realistic expectations for the next week.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think that I'm excited right now. I

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Speaker 2: haven't got to do any hunting yet, so even the

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Speaker 2: threes and fives kinda get me a little bit pumpedy,

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Speaker 2: because at least you could get being the bow or

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Speaker 2: being the tree with a bow in your hand. But

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Speaker 2: I understand that it can be difficult. So I think

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Speaker 2: the overall synopsis from this week is that if you

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Speaker 2: have something figured out, be careful, go in there and

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Speaker 2: kill that deer. But if you don't, there's no reason

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Speaker 2: to go in there and mess it up too bad.

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Speaker 4: Right now, Hey, you got interviewed for an article recently

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Speaker 4: by Adam Moore.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's on the Wired Hunt website. It's called

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Speaker 4: Unpacked Case Smith's Early season gear set up Man. And

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Speaker 4: then we also did a video recently. Well, we put

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Speaker 4: this video together and released it recently. The last hunt

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Speaker 4: from last year Arkansas. We spent some time doing some

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Speaker 4: buck boating and it's called Trailer Park Troubles. You should

627
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Speaker 4: go check it out on our YouTube channel, the Element

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Speaker 4: YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: What else, anything else? That's it, man. I am just

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Speaker 2: ready to get this month going that way. I can

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Speaker 2: get to some hunting here pretty soon. I know you've

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Speaker 2: got some a truck to clean and some wings lick

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Speaker 2: a little bit, and then I think you're gonna kill

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Speaker 2: White Town on September. Still, really I did? I do?

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Speaker 2: I think so, man, and I'm excited to see it happen. Guys,

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Speaker 2: have some optimism, be realistic about your expectations, and don't

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Speaker 2: burn that PTO too quick. This has been Reugh Fresh Radio.

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Speaker 2: Keep it fresh,