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Speaker 1: is chronic stress. But it's a lot more nebulous, right,

428
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: it's a lot more insidious because it's easy to say,

429
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: don't eat those four foods because they're going to spike inflammation.

430
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: It's another thing to say, well, don't stress, and then

431
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: they're stressing about not stressing. So you have to really

432
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,919
Speaker 1: like bring context and practical tools, and what I call

433
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: them in the book is metaphysical meals, because you need

434
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 1: to treat these acts of stillness just like you would

435
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: meal time, which I know we're in the same page here.

436
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 1: You have to just like you show up for breakfast, lunch,

437
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: and dinner, and or you show up to the gym.

438
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: You need to start feeding your head in your heart

439
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: just as much as you feed your body, and it's

440
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: very much a part of healing, and you have to

441
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 1: deal with both sides of the coin, both the physiological

442
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: and psychological so stress and whether that be bringing healthy

443
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: boundaries in or having a better relationship with technology, or

444
00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: prioritizing you're asleep, or bringing in self care practice in

445
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: your life that are nourishing to you, that are feeding

446
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: you on a mental emotional level. That's just one, but

447
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: there are many levels to that, but we have to

448
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: look at both sides. Yeah, no, definitely, thank you so

449
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: much for walking us through those And when if anyone's

450
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: like me while I'm listening to that, whenever I sit

451
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: down with someone who's an X men in this space,

452
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a part of you that just gets

453
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: more stressed because you go, oh god, I'm doing all

454
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: the wrong things right like, and I'm sure people are

455
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: listening or watching at home or at work, or if

456
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 1: you're traveling, and you're going, of course, I need to

457
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: change so much. And I think that's kind of where

458
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: our problems perpetuate, because we go, Okay, I need to

459
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: change everything, and then we end up changing nothing. And

460
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: I think that's always the issue. Right when you feel

461
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: you want to change everything, you end up changing nothing.

462
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: And as people are listening to this, like, where's a

463
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: good place for someone to start? Like, and I'm sure

464
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 1: you work with so many people are on this journey.

465
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: And I always say to people like I don't think

466
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: we have. The real crisis we have in the world

467
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: today is a crisis of habits and conditioning. Because most

468
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: people I know no what they want to change, or

469
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: know who they want to be or how they want

470
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: to change. They just can't make it through that path, right.

471
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: They can't stick with it. So where's a good place

472
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 1: for someone to start? They're listening right now and they're saying,

473
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: doctor will call. I can hear that I have a

474
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: ton of those physiological and psychological challenges. I need to

475
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: figure this out. Where does someone stop? I would first

476
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: start with your headspace, because it is you do not

477
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: have to be perfect, quote unquote, you don't have to

478
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: have it all together to start making positive action in

479
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: your life. And if you're waiting for the right time,

480
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: it's now. Because there's always going to be some reason

481
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: why we should put it off. There's a vacation holiday

482
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: around the corner, there's a birthday party, there's a whatever

483
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: holiday around the corner, and that is many people who

484
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: have that paralysis of analysis. Oh I'll start at the

485
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 1: new year. Oh I'll start at this date. But the

486
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: reality is I find that there's a stance to that

487
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: rule of maybe there's a certain date within the next

488
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: few weeks that's practical for you. But if you're looking

489
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: at really putting it out in the calendar, I very

490
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: rarely see people need to do that because I need

491
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: you to realize that how are we going to navigate

492
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: through those times? Because it's always going to be something,

493
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: and I would really what I say is just lean

494
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: into it. You don't have to have it all figure

495
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: it out, because what I find is when you get

496
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: the ball rolling and people get their head a little

497
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: bit above water, they want to keep doing the things

498
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: and make them feel good yea, And they start to

499
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: realize what I call in the book and for my patience,

500
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: I call it food peace and body peace, because I

501
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: want people to not come into this wellness thing, whether

502
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 1: improve their energy or improve their digestion, or improve their

503
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: brain health. I want them to see this as a

504
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: form of self respect, using self care as a form

505
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: of self respect because it's the sort of toxic dieting

506
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: culture that tells us, well, you can't have that. There's

507
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: a lot of shame around that, right, that's like very

508
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: much breeding ground for shame inflammation. That's the antithesis of

509
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: sustainable wellness. The genesis of sustainable wellness is really realizing

510
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: that you get to do things that make you feel good.

511
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: And I said recently on social media that I think

512
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: I think is the paradigm shift that I want to

513
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: say here is that the continually eating foods that don't

514
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: love you back is like staying in a toxic relationship

515
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: and wondering why you're still miserable. But avoiding foods that

516
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: don't love you back isn't restrictive. It's self respect. And

517
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: that's if you want to talk about the first thing.

518
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: It's having that pivotal paradigm shift to say, look, oh,

519
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was about all these things I can't have,

520
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: No have whatever you want. But I want people to

521
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: love feeling great more than they thought they were going

522
00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: to miss something that dimmed their light. So from that

523
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: place of self respect, I find people make better choices

524
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: for their life because if they know their analogy that

525
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: I use in the book is like, if you realized

526
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: you were a Lamborghini and not an old beat up jelapi,

527
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: how would that impact how you fueled yourself. Owners of

528
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: luxury vehicles know how to take care of their car.

529
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: They don't need to be taught that. They're parking it

530
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: way in the back, they are cleaning it, they're fueling

531
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: it appropriately. Many people see themselves as the old lemon

532
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: and not the luxury car. And that's the paradigm ships

533
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: that I want people to have, because then all the

534
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: rest falls into place. They don't have to be perfect

535
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: because they just want to continue to pick themselves up

536
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: and they have their why is bigger than their excuses.

537
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: That is such a good point. I'm so glad that

538
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: you went there because there were a few points that

539
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: I just want to unpack for everyone. The first one

540
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: you said to start with the headspace, and I think

541
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: that's really powerful, and everyone who's listening to on Purpose

542
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: right now is already naturally doing that by being here.

543
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: Is because if you're stressed, you eat badly, and when

544
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: you eat badly, you get more stressed, and you get inflamed,

545
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: and then everything else they're using and then you get

546
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: more stressed, and it's just this never ending cycle. And

547
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: so when you figure out what's going on up here

548
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: and then you can start changing what's happening here, it's

549
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: it's a great way. So I think that was a

550
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: fantastic point. The second thing that I really took away

551
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: from that is this idea of self respect and how

552
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: we see ourselves. And it took me a long time

553
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: to recognize what that really meant personally. So I grew

554
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: up addicted to chocolate, I ate and sugar obviously, So

555
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: I ate a chocolate bar, a chocolate chocolate yogurt, and

556
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: a chocolate ice cream pretty much every day while I

557
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: was a kid, up until when I went to university,

558
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: where I would eat a chocolate bar and like a

559
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: liter of Sprite every single day. Like that got me

560
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: through university and I was healthy and I was lean

561
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: and you know whatever that then and you thought, I'm fine,

562
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: and then you start to see things not catch up

563
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: with you, but you start to see the impact of

564
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: certain things. And I think people still have this in

565
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: the well. I just want to have fun, I just

566
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: want to enjoy life, and I don't want to have

567
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: to think about this, And I think, what's so interesting,

568
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: is what you're saying is that that actually isn't enjoyment

569
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: because it's damaging. And when you start realizing that the

570
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: fun you're having is actually not fun genuinely for what's

571
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: happening inside, you just can't see that party. And I

572
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: think that took me a long time to connect that

573
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: it's not like starving yourself from what you want. It's

574
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: actually like your body doesn't actually want that, yeah, which

575
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: takes so long to kind of fix our mind because

576
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: we're so conditioned to believe that, Oh, I love pizza

577
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: and I love this, and I love that. It's like, well,

578
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: you don't. You've just been conditioned through your tastes. Like

579
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: I always talk about one of my friends, their kids

580
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: look forward to blueberries and grapes as their reward because

581
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: that's how they've been brought up. Like for them, like

582
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: blueberries are like sour patch kids, right right, Like that's

583
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: their sawer patch kid. Was for me, it was sauer

584
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: patch kids, which are terrible for me, and I still

585
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: love them. And when I go to the theaters, my

586
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: wife really asked to like. And so my wife was

587
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: the one who helped me change my habits when she

588
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 1: met me, she goes, you can't eat chocolate every day,

589
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: Like you can't have that. She was like once a week,

590
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: you can't have every day. And it took me ages

591
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: and then and then we got there, and then she

592
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: replaced it with monk fruit. And I used to do

593
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: these cacao nives sweetened with the monk fruit. Now I've

594
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: got to a point where i'm if i'm at home,

595
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm barely I don't removed refine sugars from my diet,

596
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: and it took up long process. And now I found actually,

597
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: when I go back and have an indulgent dessert, it

598
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: doesn't taste as good to me. And that was a

599
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: huge journey from I was like, oh, wow, it's not

600
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'll still crave like a burger. I really

601
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: like juicy fried burger. I'm plant based, so I'm talking

602
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: about plant based burgers, and when I have it, I

603
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: actually not enjoyed the feeling. After us, I'm like, I

604
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: actually didn't miss that at all. Yeah, and so I

605
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: don't know if that aligns with what you've been saying,

606
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: but I was just trying to give a very genuine

607
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: reflection of dealing with a lot of these vices myself absolutely,

608
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people can resonate with that,

609
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: and like, that's that repairing that gut feelings connection that

610
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, you know, the gut and the feelings.

611
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: There's things that were changing on a physiological level when

612
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: you start cleaning up your diet, eating nutrient dense foods,

613
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: regulating your blood sugar, lowering inflammation levels, supporting your gut health.

614
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: And then also when you make that connection, you go

615
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: back to those foods and you may not like them

616
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: at all. I hear that many times for patients and

617
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: they're shocked these things that they loved, things that they

618
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: thought they couldn't live without. They could They say, I

619
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: could take it or leave it. Yeah, that's food peace.

620
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: It's like that you're not bound by that food if

621
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: you want to have it. But I would just say

622
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: use all food as a mindfulness tool. Eat it consciously.

623
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: Did it love you back, Maybe it didn't love you back,

624
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: but you love socializing with your friends, or it brought

625
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: you some enjoyment in the moment and it was worth

626
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: the payoff of maybe the blow or the inflammation, then

627
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: eat it and move on. Shame is worse than any food. Yeah,

628
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: But maybe you take it and eat it mindfully and

629
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: realize afterwards, now it actually wasn't worth it, So maybe

630
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: next time I'll have less of it, or I won't

631
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: have it at all, because, like you said, like cacao

632
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: nibs and monk fruit, there's so many better options that

633
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: taste really freaking amazing. Absolutely yeah. You don't have to

634
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: eat like a boring rabbit to be healthy. Absolutely yeah.

635
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: I've been loving the huge kitchen bars as well, so

636
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: it's so good. Like that's one of the sad parts

637
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: of New York City is Huge Kitchen closed down. I

638
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: mean remember that place. Yeah, the pandemic took it out.

639
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: Well there's bars. They're still alive and strong with the

640
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: chocolate bars. Yeah, yeah, they're talking about's great, but yeah,

641
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: I feel like they're You're so right that there are

642
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: so many other alternatives, so many other places that you

643
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: can discover the things and even spending time with friends,

644
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: Like recently I've been trying to and of course there's

645
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: there's access here and things that are in your city,

646
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: but I found like, like my wife, she'll go to

647
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: a workout class with a lot of her friends, and

648
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: that's like their way of socializing together, or me and

649
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: my wife will go to a cold plunge together, or

650
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: go find an infrared sauna together or something like that,

651
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: where even doing health and wellness with friends has actually

652
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: become a fun way of socializing, where it's easy to

653
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: be like, oh, let's just all go out for dinner,

654
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: which by the way, I still love to do, and

655
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: it's not that we don't do it, but it's the

656
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: idea of there are so many alternative ways to spend

657
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: time together where your friendship actually improves too, because now

658
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: you're not just doing dinner in a movie every time.

659
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there's I just think the idea

660
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 1: of experimenting is healthy. Whether you went to a cold

661
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: plunge and enjoyed it or not, that's up to you.

662
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: But the idea that you went and tried something new

663
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: with your friends. I promise you, whatever you do, trying

664
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: something new with the people you love is going to

665
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: be a win either way. Yeah. Absolutely, And I think

666
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: that that's a key point too. When people want to

667
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: start making healthy choices, they're afraid of it changing what

668
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: they do for fun yea, or changing her relation ships.

669
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: How you mentioned alcohol, Well, if everything I do with

670
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: my friends is centive around unhealthy food and alcohol. What's

671
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: that going to look like? You look if they're your

672
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: true friends, are going to be there for you. And

673
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: I've seen so many people start bringing the healthy food

674
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: to the party and really being a light. It's my

675
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: wife you basically describing, and people are like, wait, what

676
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: is healthy? What the heck? Because it it really shifts

677
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: hearts and minds around this, or maybe go to the

678
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: cold plunge and they never they thought it was weird

679
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: at first, but now they all want to do it.

680
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: People want to feel good. It's just just because it's

681
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: been done over and over again doesn't mean you to

682
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: keep doing it, Like start leveling up and be the

683
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: leader for your friend group, because it really thank you

684
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: in the long term, for sure, for sure. And I've

685
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: seen whole family and friend groups change because of one

686
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: person deciding I want to live a different way. I

687
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: want to start doing things that love me back. Yeah,

688
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: trust me. In the beginning, my mainly ego with my

689
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: wife telling me that my wife would see me like

690
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: grab a chocolate by putting my mouth just give me

691
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: the look. And everyone be like, Jay, you are you

692
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: literally gonna let her do that? And I'm like, she's

693
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: actually doing it for my own good, Like I feel

694
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: so much happier. Yeah, since I've let go, you know,

695
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: of refined sugar, Like it's made such a big difference

696
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: in my life. And I've still got a long way

697
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: to go. I'm working on lots of different things. But yeah, No,

698
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: I love that. I wanted to ask you because I

699
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: feel like you're one of the few people actually talks

700
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: about this connection. How are hormones the internal communication system

701
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: for the body, because I feel like hormones are not

702
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: talked about enough and there's not enough of a conversation

703
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: about them. But that's been something you've been leading, sure,

704
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: and that's part of the psychological, sorry, the physiological side

705
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: of things that the psychological coal can impact. So hormones

706
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: are kind of akin to biochemical emails. And if you

707
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: look at your body as this sort of corporation, the

708
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: different systems of the body are not always communicating appropriately.

709
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: They're either communicating too much because bodies in that sympathetic

710
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: nervous system over drive, whereas cortisol levels is being really

711
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: secreted quite a bit. You we have what's called the

712
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: hypothymic patunitary adrenal axis. So this is something that we

713
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: can quantify on with patients via labbed and see cortisol

714
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: levels and cool circading rhythm issues. Cortisols too high when

715
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: it should be low, which would be a nice S

716
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: shaped curve, or it's always low or it's always high,

717
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: and it's that imbalance that breaking up the Goldilocks principle.

718
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: It's homeostasis. It's you don't want hormones too high, you

719
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: don't want hormones too low, but you want them high

720
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: when they should be high and when they should be low,

721
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 1: just like our gut microbio bacteria, just like inflammation levels.

722
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 1: It's all subject to this law of the of Goldilocks principle.

723
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: So it's really hormones are a major influencer in how

724
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: we want to feel, but both the physiological and the

725
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: psychological will impact how hormones are expressed. So if somebody

726
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: has an unhealthy gut, if they have things like chronic convections,

727
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: idea a lot with people that have chronic lime disease

728
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: and people that have mold toxicity quite often because they

729
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: have different genetic variants that make them more sensitive to

730
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: things like autoimmune problems. So we can find and measure

731
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: this on labs. Higher levels of mold toxins, line bacteria,

732
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: different environmental toxins like glyphosate in the body that's shifting

733
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: their nervous system in that stress state as well. That's

734
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: going to really impact hormones tremendously. So then I can

735
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: measure hormones on a hormonal test, which I would, and

736
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: you'll see cortisol levels all off. You'll see typically estrogen, progesterone,

737
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: testosterone very low. Sometimes estrogen will be high with estrogen dominance.

738
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: But for the most part, when you're in a sympathetic

739
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: fight or flight stress, say, most hormones will be sluggish.

740
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: They'll be on the low end of normal or really low.

741
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: But then if you just saw the hormones happening in

742
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: a vacuum, you'd think, well, it's a hormonal problem. Well, no,

743
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: there's a bigger context as to why the hormones were

744
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: off in the first place. So that's why context matters

745
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to all these different aspects of health.

746
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: But supporting hormones are certainly imperative when you're talking about

747
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: somebody's mood, when you talk about somebody's gut feelings, hormones

748
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: are those biochemical emails, so I have to measure them,

749
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: I have to optimize them. Thyroid is another major player too,

750
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: because many people they're just getting basic thyroid labs. They're

751
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: not really getting complex thyroid labs. So we have to

752
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: really look at the complexity of thyroid hormone metabolism. But

753
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: is this something that like at least and I'm asking

754
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: as someone who was born and raised in London obviously,

755
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: like how much of this is accessible in the United

756
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: States or across the world, Like how do people ask

757
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: for these labs? Where did they get them? Because I

758
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: was one of those people for years that got checkups

759
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: done and got my blood test done and things like that,

760
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: and they'd always be like, Jay, you're fine, And I

761
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: was like, but I don't feel fine, Like yeah, I

762
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: know something's going on. And they were like, no, maybe

763
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: you're a bit stressed. And I'm like, yeah, I'm sure

764
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: i am, but it's more than like I can feel something.

765
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: And it took till I started working with Darshan at

766
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 1: Next Health. I don't know if you know Next Health,

767
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: I've heard of them. Yeah, Next Heal an incredible facility

768
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: in LA. But again, it's it's something that requires like access,

769
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: and it's expensive, and it's not you know, it's not easy.

770
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: It's in LA, it's in Miami, it's it's not something

771
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: that everyone can access. And so I go, well, how

772
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: does someone get those tests? And the same as me,

773
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: I was just told for ages, I was told, Oh,

774
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: maybe you're stressed, you know, just just relax a little bit.

775
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I don't feel right. So how yeah,

776
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: how does someone get those tests? How does someone get

777
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: that detail? I know volumes a great source to gun

778
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: test that they send to a house and you do

779
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: the stool tests, but yeah, how do people get access

780
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: to that? Yeah? I think we're living in a time

781
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: where there's still a massive gap to democratize this where

782
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 1: it should be. But in the past twelve plus years,

783
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot improving then. And the reality is

784
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: most of the thyroid labs and the hormonal tests actually

785
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: are conventional tests, meaning they are mainstream tests that if

786
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: you ask your doctor your conventional PCPG, they will do it.

787
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: They have to do it, they can do it. They

788
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,919
Speaker 1: get mine doing it. But if you have a decent

789
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: relationship with your doctor and if it's clinically appropriate, they

790
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: should be able to run this panel, even if it's

791
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: slightly outside of what they're routine labs. Look, the conventional

792
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: model of care is largely trained to diagnose a disease

793
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: and match it with the medication. So it's the extra labs.

794
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: The other labs that we run in functional medicine is

795
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: slightly superfluous to a conventional medicine doctor because if it's

796
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: not going to change the treatment, why would they run it.

797
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: For example, to use the thyroid as an example, they

798
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: just need a TSH a thyroid stimulating hormone, and maybe

799
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: a T four to give the person that leaves a

800
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 1: ROX and that synthroid that pharmaceutical thyroid replacement hormone. Okay,

801
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: so that's all that they need. So if we want

802
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: to look at all the other conventional thyroid labs, they

803
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: are available, But if the end result is still going

804
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: to be that medication, then why would they run it?

805
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: So I understand it from a model side of things,

806
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: but these are conventional tests. Most of the ones that

807
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking about are very widely access and offset through insurance,

808
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: are completely covered by insurance. They just have to be

809
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: ran and coded appropriately and be clinically appropriate for you.

810
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: So full thyroid panels, something called thyroid stimulating hormone like

811
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: I mentioned T four, but then what we would add

812
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 1: in functional medicine is total T three, something called free

813
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: T three, free T four, and then what are called

814
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: thyroid antibodies, the leading drivers of low thyroid function in

815
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: the West, or autoimmune nature hashimotors disease or autoimmune thyroiditis

816
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: is the most common autoimmune disease as a whole let alone,

817
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: the most common driver of low thyroid function. So we

818
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: have to run thyroid proxidase and thibrod globulin to C

819
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: because it's in that case it's not truly a primary

820
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: thyroid problem. The thyroid problem is because the immune system

821
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: has lost recognition of self again and its attacking it.

822
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: So engraves disease is the other type of autoimmune thyroid problem.

823
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: And then I have to rhun what's called reverse T three,

824
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: which in states of inflammation, your body can make these

825
00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: basically thyroid break molecules that slow down thyroid function. So

826
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: the point being, it's a lot more complex than just

827
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: a TSH. And to make it more accessible, and you know,

828
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: I mean that's what we've done for the past twelve

829
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: years is to try to make this as democratized as

830
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: it can be, to decentralize this so people can have

831
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: agency over their health and be empowered with this information.

832
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: It's their body, they have a right to know. So

833
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: we have different telehealth models to make it accessible for people.

834
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of direct to consumer labs to

835
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: be honest with you, even if you don't have access

836
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: to functional medicine doctor, or if you don't want to

837
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: functional medicine doctor, there are great labs. There's one called

838
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 1: inside Tracker. I have no connection to these brands. Inside

839
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: Tracker and Base are two that I've had them on

840
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: my podcast before. They are brilliant and you don't need

841
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: a doctor for it, so you could just order it yourself.

842
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: And it's just good to know, right. This is so

843
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: useful because I think it's good to know what to

844
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: ask for, what to look for. I think as someone

845
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: I consider myself someone who's fairly uneducated as a recipient

846
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: as a patient of these things, because until you study yourself,

847
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: I would say, until I started studying myself and reading

848
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: myself and interviewing people that I wanted to learn from,

849
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: I had a very limited understanding. Because that's how I

850
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 1: grew up, and so I think for me at least,

851
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: I find it very interesting to be like, Okay, well,

852
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Speaker 1: these are the tests I need to ask for. These

853
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: are the tests I can do, because even the other

854
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: thing I want to ask you is what are the

855
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: most missed healthy food intolerances? Because that's a whole other

856
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: thing that I think we're not aware of it. So

857
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: the inflammatory core for that I mentioned, that's an obvious one.

858
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't even call those healthy foods, right. I mean,

859
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: most of them are really processed or fine boxed foods.

860
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: But I would say that healthy food sensitivity is or

861
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: food intolerance is the food reactions. And this is really

862
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: pertinent to most of the people that I talk to,

863
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: because they are eating better than most people, but they're

864
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: still struggling. So the number one and let me bring

865
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: a caveat to all of these foods. It's not necessarily

866
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: these foods fault. The heart of what I do in

867
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: functional medicine is bioindividuality, and even healthy foods, what works

868
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: for one person may not be right for you. And

869
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: I would say also what serves you today and what

870
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: your body loves now if we're actually fixing the problem

871
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: of why you have the problem in the first case.

872
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 1: Then over time you'll be able to do more things.

873
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: So I'm going to say these foods with that preface,

874
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: don't be fearful of these foods. Don't become orthorexic, which

875
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: is a massive problem within wellness. That's orthorexy is sort

876
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: of disordered eating around healthy foods. That is not what

877
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm trying to convey here. So that's important to know.

878
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: But also for the people that are struggling with these issues,

879
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: it could be a massive game changer for them because

880
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: they may be think, Oh, I've been doing what I

881
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: thought was healthy, but I was unintentionally sabotaging my health.

882
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: So number one, people that have cbone small intestinal bacterial

883
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: overgrowth that I mentioned. It's linked to things like anxiety

884
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: and depression. It's linked with other autoimmune problems. It's also

885
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: the leading cause of things like IBS irritable bowe syndrome.

886
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: It's linked to bloating, like uncomfortable bloating. People will tell

887
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: me they feel like they're nine months pregnant even though

888
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: they're not pregnant. As far as uncomfortable bloating and things

889
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: like acid reflux and gourd so there are there's a

890
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: class of foods that are known as higher FOD map foods.

891
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: Fod maps is an acron that stands for fermentable oligosac rides,

892
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: diosac rides, monosac rides in polyols, which is just a

893
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: robose way of saying fermentable sugars. So things like onions

894
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: and garlic really healthy foods, right, Chrociferous vegetables like broccoli, asparagus,

895
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: Brussels sprouts, really healthy foods, but they're all higher in

896
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: these fermentable sugars. So people that are thinking they're doing

897
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: the good things with sea bowl onions and garlic, and

898
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: they're getting so bloated, they're getting so much gastro intestinal upset.

899
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: So look is the problem that I get to heal

900
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: the seabo so you can bring those high FOD maps.

901
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: So FOD map to be a lot for our people

902
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: that are probably a lot of our listeners right now.

903
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: It's just people that are very well read, but they're

904
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: still struggling with these problems. They're eating healthier, but they're

905
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: still struggling. So look at higher FOD maps and potentially

906
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: look at cibo as the driver of that FOD map intolerance.

907
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: And then I'm mentioning a lot of people that have

908
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: mold toxicity. Mycotoxins is what they're called. Higher mold foods

909
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: can perpetuate flare ups too. So a lot of grains,

910
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: even healthy grains like gluten and gluten free grains, can

911
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: be higher in mold. Coffee can be higher in mold. Wine,

912
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: other alcohols can be higher in mold. And people that

913
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: have a sensitized immune system should look if they have

914
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: a mold problem, look at foods that could potentially contain mold.

915
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: And then another one that I see are higher histamines.

916
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: Foods that are higher histamines or histamine liberators or histamine

917
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: releasing foods can definitely be problematic for people that have CIBO,

918
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: these gastri intestinal gut problems and people that have I mean,

919
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: there's other there are symptoms of histamine intolerance, like anxiety

920
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: because you're gut in brains gut feelings. Connection Again here,

921
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: people that have lots of kombucha, people that have lots

922
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: of bone broth, people that have lots of fermented, pickled foods,

923
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: even avocados can be higher in histamines. So these are

924
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: the gray areas that we need to look at, because

925
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: that's what you need to diagnose yourself effect right and

926
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: or if you're doing all the things and still struggling,

927
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: these are the areas you need to look at to say,

928
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: what are these check engine lights in my life? Why

929
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: is my body reacting to kombucha? It's not kombucha's fault,

930
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: but is it the body telling me that this is

931
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: releasing histamines right now? And then I have to ask

932
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: the question why do I have histamine intolerance in the

933
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: first place? Which unrestsolved trauma can be part of that

934
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: cebo mold, toxins can be a part of that chronic line,

935
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: the psychological and the physiological. So this is what I

936
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: see sadly play out in people's lives. But it's only

937
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: sad until you find out and give it. When you

938
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: give them answers, then it's anything but sad because then

939
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: it's this, Ahamed, I'm like, wow, I can do something

940
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, that's exactly how I feel like

941
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: everything you've been talking about, like this is the journey

942
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: of being on because it's that feeling of I feel healthy,

943
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: to that feeling of recognizing, wow, there's so much my

944
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: health that I did not understand then getting accurate tests

945
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: that actually tell you what's going on, because I think

946
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like, oh, you just need a

947
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: bit of this, so you need a bit of that,

948
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: and that doesn't work. Like the accurate testing is such

949
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: an important part of this, because then the recommendations can

950
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: be healthier. Yeah, I think a lot of recommendations are

951
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 1: just based on basic symptoms and that doesn't necessarily always

952
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: go the right way. And then of course consistency and

953
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: the recommendation that feels like the full journey. Absolutely, And

954
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: I think, look, if what you're doing is working for

955
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: you and you feel great, don't look for problems whether

956
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: there isn't any. But I think we have an epidemic

957
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: rise of people that are doing all the things that

958
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: are really compliant, people that are doing things or doctors

959
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: are telling them to do, but they're still spinning their wheel.

960
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about here. We have to do

961
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: better here. So I think that these are what I

962
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: find clinically to be missing links for people. Then they

963
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: fix a few things and it really kind of allows

964
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: their body to take their health to the next level

965
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: and start feeling the way they want to feel well.

966
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: And when you start repairing these things, whether it's repairing

967
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: their gut health or regulating their nervous system or whatever

968
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about here. All of those foods I just mentioned,

969
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: almost all of them can be reintroduced. So temporarily maybe

970
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: avoid them, but longer term, let's fix the problem that

971
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: drove it in the first place. Yeah, everyone makes sure

972
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: that you grab the book Gut Feelings and subscribe to

973
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: the Art of Being Well podcast. But will doctor will call.

974
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: I just wanted to ask you, is anything that you

975
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: haven't shared on today? Is something that's on your heart,

976
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: your mind, or in your gut that you feel like

977
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: you need you need to share that we haven't touched upon. No, Man,

978
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the opportunity. It's been great. I have

979
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: to have you on the Art of Being Well. I'd

980
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: love to. I'd love to, But this has been so

981
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: useful because I think you've given us a very three

982
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 1: sixty degree approach of so many different aspects of our health.

983
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: Of course, everyone can read the book Got Feelings to

984
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: go in depth and all of this and listen to

985
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,959
Speaker 1: the podcast to understand more about everything we've discussed today.

986
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: And I hope this is the first too many times

987
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: we'll sit down and get to do this, but thank

988
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: you so much. We end every episode with a final

989
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: five WHI should the fast five rounds? So you have

990
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: to answer these in one word or one sentence of

991
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: maximum so you can do one sentence, all right, one

992
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: word and one sentence is kind of nervous. Let's go.

993
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: Let's go for it, okay. Question of all one, what's

994
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: the best health advice you've ever received or heard? It's

995
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: what I actually said earlier. It's one that I'm always

996
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: telling myself and I'm telling my patience is you can't

997
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: heal a body you hate. It's a pointer to work

998
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: that we need to do as reframing our relationship with

999
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: our body and with food and with wellness itself. Love that.

1000
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: Question number two, what's the worst piece of health advice

1001
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: you've ever heard or received? Well? The antithesis of that

1002
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: that somehow you're going to shame your way into wellness.

1003
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: It's not going to work. Yeah, okay. Question number three,

1004
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: something you used to value for your health but you

1005
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: don't anymore, probably taking tons of supplements. I have a

1006
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: simplified version. I know what I feel the best on.

1007
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 1: So to me, food is first supplements are a great

1008
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: bonus targeted, but food is primary. So I think streamlining

1009
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: and figure out what are the biggest needle movers for

1010
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: myself is definitely that for me. It's a great answer

1011
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: question number four, what's your current purpose in life? It's

1012
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: hopefully being a light for God and it is in

1013
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: What that means for me is just hopefully staying in

1014
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: my lane in the best of ways and just enabling

1015
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: me to bring hope to people that are really struggling

1016
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: with silent health problems. And I get to see a

1017
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: player all the time. This is more than a sentence,

1018
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: but I love what they get to do. That's beautiful.

1019
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: Fifth and final question. If you could create one law

1020
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: that everyone in the world had to follow, what would

1021
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: it be? Be kind and think before you speak health law.

1022
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: Have any healthlws that will help people social diseases right

1023
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: as social relationship disorders bring about physical disorders too. But

1024
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: if you want something a little bit more on a

1025
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: micro level, I would say a lot. You said a

1026
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: lot to people should live by, I would say use food.

1027
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 1: Eat foods that love you back and find out what

1028
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: they are. Be curious about what they are, because when

1029
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: you focus on that the rest of the stuff kind

1030
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: of is put into perspective. Yeah, Doctor will call everyone.

1031
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: The book is called Gut Feelings, the podcast is called

1032
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: The Art of Being Well. Doctor will Call on Instagram

1033
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: as well. Make sure you follow him. Everyone's been watching

1034
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: or listening. Make sure that you tag me and Doctor

1035
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: will Call on Instagram, on TikTok on Twitter. Let us

1036
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: know what resonated with you, what you're going to try,

1037
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: what you're gonna try and shift. Remember you don't have

1038
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: to change everything all at once. She's going to try

1039
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: and put one thing into practice and watch how your

1040
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: life changes. Thank you so much for being here, So

1041
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: grateful for you, and I love this conversation. Likewise, if

1042
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: you love this episode, you will enjoy my interview with

1043
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Ayman on how to change your life by

1044
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: changing your brain