Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to lok F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker.
Speaker 2: You know, yesterday.
Speaker 1: The Senate passed a ninety five billion dollar aid package
Speaker 1: that included aid for Ukraine, Israel, and Southeast Asia including Taiwan.
Speaker 1: And inside of that aid package, they decided to also
Speaker 1: ban TikTok if the company is not sold. I think
Speaker 1: that they extended the provision between within nine months to
Speaker 1: a year, you know, on.
Speaker 2: The President's signatures. And I got to.
Speaker 1: Tell you something like, and I posted a video on
Speaker 1: this this week, what a load of fucking bullshit?
Speaker 2: Right Like?
Speaker 1: Are you all with me on this? Because you have
Speaker 1: how many fucking crises are we dealing with in this country?
Speaker 1: How many fucking crises do we have going on around
Speaker 1: the world. But the only thing that you motherfuckers can
Speaker 1: come together and agree on is to ban an entertainment
Speaker 1: and information app because you want to tell us that
Speaker 1: what it is about privacy and spying? Are you dumb?
Speaker 1: Because we already know that all of the platforms that
Speaker 1: we're on, including the ones that were not on, but
Speaker 1: the federal government listens into on a regular basis, it's
Speaker 1: doing more fucking spying and manipulation than TikTok is, or
Speaker 1: it's about the fucking same. So is it just that
Speaker 1: you don't have access to the data that is being
Speaker 1: collected on top of the data that you're already collecting
Speaker 1: on us. It just makes no fucking sense. And the
Speaker 1: only thing that makes sense to me about it, frankly,
Speaker 1: is the fact that this generation, right, this young generation
Speaker 1: Generation Z, is with the shits, do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Like, they are so on it in terms
Speaker 1: of challenging capitalism and work culture and labor. They are
Speaker 1: so on it in recognizing the hypocrisy as it pertains
Speaker 1: to fighting for democracy and what that looks like here
Speaker 1: in the United States versus elsewhere. They are so with
Speaker 1: it in understanding the colonist's mindset and patriarchy, and they
Speaker 1: are on that app right at a larger rate than
Speaker 1: anyone else's. So what is this really about? Because we're
Speaker 1: being manipulated, folks every single day in every single way.
Speaker 1: Open up your refrigerator. Do we really know what's in
Speaker 1: the food that's in there? No, Because in these United
Speaker 1: States you can have a certain percentage of shit that
Speaker 1: causes cancer. The ingredients that are banned, let's say in
Speaker 1: a Europe, totally welcomed here in the United States. So
Speaker 1: when we're looking at the decisions that these lawmakers are making,
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with our best interest, but
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with our safety, because I'd
Speaker 1: love to put a whole bunch of those members into
Speaker 1: a room and lock the fucking door and until they
Speaker 1: come up with an agreement on an assault weapons ban,
Speaker 1: a national protection for abortion, do away with a white supremacy,
Speaker 1: fully fund our schools in the way that they need
Speaker 1: to be funded, come up with a healthcare plan that
Speaker 1: has us on par with other developed nations, and guess what,
Speaker 1: you don't get to come out until you do. But
Speaker 1: the one thing that they want to come to the
Speaker 1: table on and come to a bipartisan agreement with is TikTok.
Speaker 1: Miss me with the bullshit. Coming up next, friends, we
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show doctor Suzanne Lachman, and we
Speaker 1: get into a conversation about Donald Trump, about his cultish followers,
Speaker 1: our own personal emotional well being during this time of torment,
Speaker 1: and how we manage our way through That conversation is
Speaker 1: coming up next, Folks, I am very happy to welcome
Speaker 1: back to WOKF Daily doctor Suzanne Lochman, who is a psychologist,
Speaker 1: who is a writer, whose new piece or most recent
Speaker 1: piece up at Substack is entitled is Donald Trump's Declining
Speaker 1: speech due to aging or dementia? Trump is increasingly losing
Speaker 1: his train of thought in the middle of sentences. But
Speaker 1: where I want to start with you today, doctor Lockman,
Speaker 1: is on Donald Trump's staunch supporters. Yes, Donald Trump, there
Speaker 1: is something that this man knows about his people, how
Speaker 1: to sell to them, whether it is selling lies, selling bibles, sneakers,
Speaker 1: whatever it is that he's trying to hawk at the moment,
Speaker 1: but he knows that there is some type of inexplicable
Speaker 1: connection that they have that not only do they take
Speaker 1: everything that he says to be true, even if he
Speaker 1: is not making any sense, not coherent, but they will
Speaker 1: also open their own pockets to support a billionaire. Talk
Speaker 1: to me about these people and what you see and know.
Speaker 2: The first thing that goes through my head, Danielle, is
Speaker 2: what we've heard a number of times now, and it's
Speaker 2: what his first wife said, which is that he keeps
Speaker 2: Hitler's gold mind come by his bed, and that is
Speaker 2: Hitler's autobiography, and it talks about how he came into
Speaker 2: power and the rules like you need to repeat everything
Speaker 2: forcefully three times in order for it to stick. The
Speaker 2: people that he and Donald Trump is appealing to the
Speaker 2: most base ugliness of a certain group of people, which
Speaker 2: is just like the Nazis. I'm sorry to say, only
Speaker 2: I think in this case there are a lot of
Speaker 2: people that are way dumber than than the Nazis were.
Speaker 2: A lot of them are a few I think I've
Speaker 2: said to you before, and I stand by this, that
Speaker 2: there's people who are incapable of saying that they're wrong
Speaker 2: mm hmm. And therefore they're on this ship with him
Speaker 2: no matter what. If you actually sit and listen to him,
Speaker 2: he can sound really convincing, especially because he's delusional enough
Speaker 2: to believe himself. And when you speak with force that way,
Speaker 2: and you repeat yourself and it's the same messages over
Speaker 2: and over and over, you're gonna win over people. And again,
Speaker 2: I think the fact and that and they were just
Speaker 2: talking about this earlier that the judged today, even though
Speaker 2: he was just sending out tweets that go against a
Speaker 2: gag order that the judge isn't going to address this
Speaker 2: for another ten days, which doesn't do much to help
Speaker 2: people to see him as human as opposed to superhuman. Right,
Speaker 2: he really has managed, no matter what he's done, yeah,
Speaker 2: to appear above the law, and that makes it easier
Speaker 2: for these people who already are drawn in by hatred
Speaker 2: and division, which he is doubling and tripling down on
Speaker 2: every chance he gets. He had a name for Letitia
Speaker 2: James that was just so racist in one of his
Speaker 2: most recent rallies, not like Peekaboo Peekaboo James. People were
Speaker 2: laughing in the audience. Yep, he didn't start out as
Speaker 2: overtly racist. But he's gone along and he sees who
Speaker 2: his base supporters are. He is joining them, and they
Speaker 2: are joining him more strongly than ever. And those who
Speaker 2: are sort of on the fence or not that bright
Speaker 2: see a leader who they can identify with because they
Speaker 2: feel like they're being persecuted.
Speaker 1: But I guess the question that I have is it
Speaker 1: seems to me that it is enough just to have
Speaker 1: a leader that is in the same book, on the
Speaker 1: same page as you in terms.
Speaker 2: Of who you hate.
Speaker 1: But when I look at a leader and I say,
Speaker 1: how is this person actually changing my life right? Like?
Speaker 1: Is that not the question that most of us ask?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How is my life going to be better? Making a
Speaker 1: decision in an upcoming election. I'm making a decision, let's say,
Speaker 1: about what college I want to go to, and I'm seeing, well,
Speaker 1: one school offers this and the other one offers this, Well,
Speaker 1: which one is going to best suit me to help
Speaker 1: shift my life? They're not looking through this lens, So,
Speaker 1: doctor Lachman, I have a difficulty in understanding if they're
Speaker 1: not gaining anything, how does the opposition even begin to
Speaker 1: reach these people? Or and I know that I ask
Speaker 1: you this every time we talk. Or are they just
Speaker 1: gone forever?
Speaker 2: They're gone? They are unreachable. As I examine the different
Speaker 2: kinds of people that are engaged with him, involved with him, etc.
Speaker 2: Into him, it occurs to me that there are number
Speaker 2: of them. For example, in the New York City Fire Department,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of blue collar workers that are
Speaker 2: pro Trump. And what I figured out about them, and
Speaker 2: this probably goes for a lot of other professions too,
Speaker 2: where you have an enormous amount of structure at work,
Speaker 2: You know where you're what's happening, you know when things
Speaker 2: are happening. You know what you're supposed to do, but
Speaker 2: when you get out into your home life, into the
Speaker 2: real world, you have no idea. There are a lot
Speaker 2: of people drawn to very structured jobs because they're lost
Speaker 2: in the kinds of things that you're talking about. They
Speaker 2: don't they're not projecting into what the future will look like.
Speaker 2: They are not actually either believing that Biden is erasing
Speaker 2: two point seven billion dollars of student debts. They have
Speaker 2: him vilified beyond vilified. And the fact that, for example,
Speaker 2: there are so many New York City firefighters who are
Speaker 2: Irish Catholic and come from background similar to Biden's, makes
Speaker 2: the whole thing even more mind blowing, right, m hmm.
Speaker 2: But it really has to do with the fact that
Speaker 2: there's also a lot of anger out there, and a
Speaker 2: good amount of it has well, it's always been there,
Speaker 2: but Trump has really just thrown a hot towel on
Speaker 2: a boil and it has grown. It will eventually and
Speaker 2: this is such a disgusting reference. I'm sorry, it will
Speaker 2: eventually pop, but it's still going.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the pop for a moment, right, because
Speaker 1: with every trial, with every charge, with every headline, we
Speaker 1: say those of us we on Earth one. This is
Speaker 1: going to be the breaking point. This is going to
Speaker 1: be the thing that finally finishes Trump off, finishes this
Speaker 1: movement off and it never does right. Which goes on
Speaker 1: to your earlier point of being able to continually ascend
Speaker 1: above the law and have this superpower you know, attributed
Speaker 1: to you and your actions and your words. What in
Speaker 1: your mind when you say it'll eventually pop, it'll eventually crash.
Speaker 1: Everything that goes up has to come down. But it's
Speaker 1: been fifty years of this with Donald Trump, do you
Speaker 1: know in his life, it's been the last seven years
Speaker 1: of our lives in this country. What does the pop
Speaker 1: look like to you? What do you think it is.
Speaker 2: I've thought it was going to be a number of
Speaker 2: things that it so far hasn't been. But I am
Speaker 2: not giving up hope. One of the things now, he's
Speaker 2: turning everything into a campaign rally, and I think that's
Speaker 2: to divert himself from the shame of having the fact
Speaker 2: that that he doesn't have the kind of money that
Speaker 2: he's supposed to have. He did that kind of information
Speaker 2: becoming available to the public is beyond mortifying and emasculating
Speaker 2: to him. That is his Achilles sword Achilles, thank you exactly.
Speaker 2: That's along with his bonesbur that's one of them. He
Speaker 2: cannot stand the idea of people finding this out now,
Speaker 2: that is not a thing in this trial. So even
Speaker 2: though he's exhausted and falling asleep and using it to
Speaker 2: continue to bring his point home that he's basically Jesus
Speaker 2: being persecuted yep, on the cross and Jesus with gold sneakers.
Speaker 2: I don't think he did that well with the gold sneakers.
Speaker 2: Not sure how he did with the Bibles.
Speaker 1: And currently while we're talking, his stock is dropping faster
Speaker 1: and faster like it. It's it's really amazing.
Speaker 2: Right it is.
Speaker 1: It is right now. I think below twenty five dollars
Speaker 1: his share.
Speaker 2: The kind of stuff his people don't pay attention to.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm right. Okay. If you watched enough of like
Speaker 2: Jordan Klepper from The Daily Show interviewing Trump groupies, h
Speaker 2: you will see the complete and total ignorance of what
Speaker 2: the United States stands for, anything about the history of
Speaker 2: the United States, Why exactly Joe Biden is bad, why
Speaker 2: Trump is good, It's a lot of well I just
Speaker 2: know it, I just feel it. I know this to
Speaker 2: be true. It's unquestioning the uh, you know, the term
Speaker 2: drink the kool aid, I don't know, you know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of old, and hopefully everybody knows that it's a
Speaker 2: reference to Jim Jones, right, the cult leader. Yeah, a
Speaker 2: cult leader who got a whole lot of people to die.
Speaker 2: There are people who are highly suggestible out there, and
Speaker 2: Trump's got them wrapped around his finger. And because he
Speaker 2: has such a huge pulpit and so many ways to
Speaker 2: be seen, he's able to grab more and more of
Speaker 2: this vulnerable audience, which consists of people who have been
Speaker 2: terribly traumatized in their lives. I think I've mentioned that before.
Speaker 2: I think if you look below the surface, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of abuse that's been perpetrated on Trump survivors, and
Speaker 2: probably they're just perpetrating it themselves, which makes all of
Speaker 2: this stuff he does all the more excusable. There are
Speaker 2: there is a higher threshold for abuse. Nafty language is
Speaker 2: condonable because that's what happens in their household. Giving women power,
Speaker 2: as we've learned, is a horribly threatening to many a
Speaker 2: Trump supporter, and you know, those the ugliness of that
Speaker 2: is coming out of the woodworks. And I think one
Speaker 2: of the reasons for that is the idea that when
Speaker 2: you think of God, you think of a man. When
Speaker 2: you think of a head of household, you think of
Speaker 2: a man, When you think of commander in chief, what
Speaker 2: do you think of man? So the fact that Democrats
Speaker 2: have a bigger, wider tent and try to empower women,
Speaker 2: that it, unfortunately is a hugely divisive issue, so much
Speaker 2: so that when a very experienced white woman ran against
Speaker 2: a black man, the black man won fantastic. He was
Speaker 2: a wonderful president, but not the deep.
Speaker 1: But the deep seated misogyny in this country definitely played
Speaker 1: a part. And the misogyny plays I think a central
Speaker 1: role in trump Ism, right, And I mean you saw
Speaker 1: it with the pushback to Nikki Haley, who was trying
Speaker 1: to present, you know, an alternative to Donald Trump, and
Speaker 1: you know, Republican voters said, I wouldn't vote for her.
Speaker 1: Why because she's a woman, and I don't think that
Speaker 1: women should be have the time, I watched a number
Speaker 1: of Trump, a number of Republican Trumps supporters say these things,
Speaker 1: and so I just I wonder, then, if we don't
Speaker 1: have a pop moment soon, doctor Lockman, then what do
Speaker 1: you think happens? Do you know what I'm saying? Like,
Speaker 1: what do you think happens?
Speaker 2: I know that I said, and you weren't around for this,
Speaker 2: that there was no way that he could win in
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. And I'm not the only one who said that.
Speaker 2: He got beaten in twenty twenty by seven million votes.
Speaker 2: There's no way that he has gained that many followers.
Speaker 2: I know it can see that way. It's just because
Speaker 2: they're loud, and it's because many of them are from
Speaker 2: Russia and China and they're just antagonists. They can't vote
Speaker 2: right right, So in the in terms of the youth vote,
Speaker 2: in terms of the woman vote, what's what really bummed
Speaker 2: me out in twenty sixteen was I thought, for sure
Speaker 2: women would rally against another woman, right, and there were
Speaker 2: so many who didn't. And unfortunately, there are a lot
Speaker 2: of misogynistic women out there.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: I think that he's alienated at least some of them
Speaker 2: more than he had in twenty sixteen. I think the
Speaker 2: Roe v. Wade issue has taken away some of his followers,
Speaker 2: as evidenced by the fact that all of these elections
Speaker 2: that have taken place have all gone Democrat, you know,
Speaker 2: the interim elections, even in the deep Republican areas like
Speaker 2: in Alabama there was one, which is wild. But nonetheless
Speaker 2: there's the pop. I don't know what it's going to be.
Speaker 2: I don't think any of us know what to be.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be as unfortunately, like a slow.
Speaker 1: Ooze rather than a quick pop.
Speaker 2: Oh god. Yeah, and it started the wheels of justice
Speaker 2: grind slow. And the thing about Democrats, and I think
Speaker 2: we're seeing this play out, is that they are terribly
Speaker 2: interested in looking fair fair. It's maddening, but the hope
Speaker 2: is that in the long term that means that their
Speaker 2: decisions will be more respected. Whether or not that's true,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's what they're doing, and hopefully
Speaker 2: it will ring true at least for some people. Once
Speaker 2: he's declared guilty of yet something else and they figure
Speaker 2: out what the hell to do with Eileen Cannon, which
Speaker 2: is just insane in Washington, DC, and they can get
Speaker 2: the Georgia thing on track. All of this is also
Speaker 2: exhausting him.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's fair, that's a that's a that's
Speaker 1: a fair point that while we're because I'm concentrated on
Speaker 1: our exhaustion, right, the collectives exhaustion. But to your point
Speaker 1: that it's also exhausting him.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and we are seeing that in his rallies. Uh.
Speaker 2: It's the thing that you know, I'm focusing on is
Speaker 2: the fact that I see him becoming demented. He is
Speaker 2: developing dementia before our eyes.
Speaker 1: My only pushback to you is because you don't have
Speaker 1: a direct ability to diagnose him. But others have said this,
Speaker 1: you're not. Obviously you're not the only person that has
Speaker 1: said this. But then we see this same similar conversation
Speaker 1: happening with Biden, you know, from the right. Tell me,
Speaker 1: tell me what the difference is. I guess with the
Speaker 1: with the few minutes that we have left gladly. Uh.
Speaker 2: Doctor John Gartner from the group Duty to Warren said
Speaker 2: it best. Biden is aging and Trump is dementing. If
Speaker 2: you watch the State of the Union, for example, Biden,
Speaker 2: he might have gotten a little fatigued, he might have
Speaker 2: stumbled over his words, but he made perfect sense. He
Speaker 2: could follow up every point that he made, and he
Speaker 2: has a deep and thorough knowledge that is something that
Speaker 2: no one can debate. That guy Robert HRR tried to
Speaker 2: take that away from him and say, you know, he's
Speaker 2: a feeble old man who.
Speaker 1: Doesn't remember a special counsel.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, and got laughed out of the room because
Speaker 2: he does trump. On the other hand, if you listen
Speaker 2: to him at these rallies, he is literally manifesting symptoms
Speaker 2: of dementia. Now, can I officially say he has dementia? No?
Speaker 2: And I say, it certainly looks like these are signs.
Speaker 2: And hey, guess what. We have way more ability, way
Speaker 2: more stuff that we can look at than we've ever
Speaker 2: had with patients. I've never had this much information about
Speaker 2: patients when I've made a diagnosis.
Speaker 1: Right, like tapes and like video and tapes and audio
Speaker 1: and all of these things over the course of months
Speaker 1: or years to be able to play back baseline.
Speaker 2: We have baseline like we don't baseline meaning when he
Speaker 2: was higher functioning, which you don't often have when you're
Speaker 2: diagnosing somebody who's come in for, you know, to find
Speaker 2: out if they got some kind of dementia. We've got baseline,
Speaker 2: and we're able to see his erosion in functioning. All
Speaker 2: you have to do is watch a rally and you'll
Speaker 2: see the word salad or you'll hear it. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: he doesn't rely how he started a sentence to know
Speaker 2: where to end it, and he meanders. The second he
Speaker 2: goes off script, he's gone. He has something he called
Speaker 2: phonic aphasia, where he's merging words together. That is not
Speaker 2: something you hear Biden do. And that so anyone that's
Speaker 2: listening to this podcast right now they if you listen
Speaker 2: to any it's horrible to do or just look at
Speaker 2: the clips that demonstrate Yeah, Primes when he's mushed words together,
Speaker 2: that isn't just fatigue. That is fatigue, but it's also
Speaker 2: the beginning of something more severe. Not to mention that
Speaker 2: his father had Alzheimer's oh uh huh okay, officially diagnosed
Speaker 2: known his father.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well we will leave it there today, Doctr Lockman.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate you making the time as always for wok
Speaker 1: F Daily, and I just want to remind folks up
Speaker 1: on sub stack Dr Lockman's Peace entitled is Donald Trump's
Speaker 1: declining speech due to aging or dementia? Trump is increasingly
Speaker 1: losing his train of thought in the middle of sentences.
Speaker 1: Is up now.
Speaker 2: Really appreciate you absolutely. I'm glad to come back and
Speaker 2: do part two of this and three and four. Oh,
Speaker 2: thank you.
Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends on wok
Speaker 1: f as always, Power to the people and to all
Speaker 1: the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.