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Speaker 1: Baby putter till the ten, till the five, and the

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Problem solved, But Don Tyler Murray that defender

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Speaker 1: is in multiple pieces. All that was nasty right there

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Speaker 1: right The latest news and notes from the guys who

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Speaker 1: covered the teams Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling,

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Speaker 1: bring it on, Bring it on. Slammed the ground by

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Speaker 1: Budha Baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 1: I scared and nobody. Here's Paul Calvic. Well, we should

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Speaker 1: probably start every edition of Cardinals Underground by just managing expectations.

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Speaker 1: I think it kind of goes on, said though, you

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Speaker 1: know Darren Urban right there with an acknowledging laugh. You

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Speaker 1: know Danny Serek, most especially yours truly PAULI podcast. Just

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Speaker 1: gonna say right off the top, please, nobody out there,

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Speaker 1: can you expect in any way that will match the

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Speaker 1: introduction that Cameron Poe from Conair put on at Packers Camp.

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Speaker 1: Oh so, I mean MVP Aaron Rodgers in the way

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Speaker 1: I mean, Danny, you must have really appreciated the way

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers walked into Packers Camp, considering you were the

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Speaker 1: person who perpetrated the April Fool's joke, can't with the

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Speaker 1: whole Nicholas Cage thing. You must have really appreciated that.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you know, I need to reach out to

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Speaker 1: for reminding me the Darren. I mean, come on, now,

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Speaker 1: how premeditated was that Aaron Rodgers? The first thing I

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Speaker 1: And then it turned out in late October that he

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Speaker 1: because he was planning on going on Halloween as John Wick.

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Speaker 1: So all I could think of yesterday was okay, he

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Speaker 1: forget at least I did, you know. I was reminded,

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Speaker 1: and then I forgot again after Danny's April Fool's joke,

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Speaker 1: and then I saw it again. Nicholas Cage did win

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Speaker 1: And then it just so let's just put it this way.

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Speaker 1: the movie The Rock. So I just here's the thing. Though,

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Speaker 1: long story, but I'm dialing into this edition of Cardinals Underground.

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Speaker 1: All I had to go on was the thirty eight

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Speaker 1: You guys ready for my takeaways based on the thirty

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Speaker 1: entering camp. Go right ahead, we're waiting. D Hop has

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Speaker 1: going to watch Kyler Murray perform this year, how are

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Speaker 1: throwing at him, and he used a Josh Rosen word,

428
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 1: Matt Liner a lot of times was buffering right in

429
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Speaker 1: the face of some of these exacts. I would agree

430
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: all that, and I would also think that and I think, look,

431
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 1: Ken Wissenhount was a great coach for this organization and

432
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: got him to a Super Bowl, and I think he

433
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: married up well with Kurt. But I also think that

434
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Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure Ken Wissenhunt was the

435
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: best coach for a Matt Liner because Ken Wissenhount was

436
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: very much a guy who wanted to treat, in my opinion,

437
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: every player the same, and sometimes quarterbacks do have to

438
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: be treated a little bit differently than you know, your

439
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: run of the mill linebacker, and I think Ken wisen

440
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: Hunt saw it a little bit differently. And Matt Leiner

441
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: was definitely a need a pad on the butt guy

442
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 1: rather than a you know, kick in the rear, kick

443
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 1: in the rear. Now, and we're getting off topic a

444
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: little bit here, but again, and I'm not trying to

445
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: draw direct parallels here to Kyler or Matt Liner by

446
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination. Again, Kyler Murray has had

447
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: a ton of success in this league already. That's the

448
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 1: bottom line, and that can't be forgotten. The JaMarcus Russell

449
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: is beyond absurd. I'm glad you brought that up. I mean,

450
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: there was a there was an NFL Network replay the

451
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 1: other day and I just happened to watch the first

452
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: five minutes of it. It was the Thursday night game

453
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: against the Packers this past season, so it was Week

454
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: eighty and Carlos undefeated at the time. Did you know

455
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: that Paul seven and oh against the six and one

456
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: Packers and Troy Higman I made a mental note of this.

457
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: He started the telecast with Joe buck By the way

458
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: that two of them. You know what they said in

459
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: the open, they said, where you you're gonna be at

460
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: the end of next season, You're gonna be right here

461
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: calling the super Bowl. Well that was incorrect. They most

462
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: bolted for another network. That was pretty funny. That was

463
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: pretty funny. But then what was really telling was when

464
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: Troy Hickman is part of the intro. He started by saying,

465
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is currently the leading candidate for the NFL

466
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 1: MVP Award right now going into Week eight, So don't

467
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: give us JaMarcus Russell when you're talking about Kyler Murray

468
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: one Rookie of the Year, Kyler Murray two time Pro

469
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: bowler in his next two seasons, and halfway nearly through

470
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 1: last season he was the leading MVP candidate. Marcus Russell

471
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: had zero success. So but I think that's part of it.

472
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: Guy's just the untapped potential. How good can he be?

473
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: You know? And I said this with Wolf and we

474
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: use this at times last year. We have seen him

475
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: beat defenses, you know, between the year holes, come for

476
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: the arms, stay for the legs, fear the mind. If

477
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: he can get to be that Wait, wait, are you

478
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: starting something new now? I threw that out a couple

479
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: of times last year for your you know, thankfully for yourself.

480
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: You weren't around when I used that phrase, but but

481
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: I did throw that out a couple of times last year.

482
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we're all better off for it, but

483
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying that is the next step for Kyler Murray

484
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: because we see the athleticism, we see the arm talent.

485
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: How many analytics and metrics are out there about his

486
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: top five, top ten and a lot of the passing categories. Okay,

487
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: So I mean, JaMarcus Russell had a massive arm, but

488
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: he couldn't hit the side of a barn. And so

489
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: I just think, once again, I'm gonna come back to

490
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: the there's that extra layer of accountability. And now they

491
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: put it in print, and there you go. I guess

492
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: my question. I'm go ahead. I'm gonna put that as

493
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: the motivational quote on my whiteboard next to my desk

494
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 1: when I get back to my office. It's better than

495
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,239
Speaker 1: fear of the deer. I'll give you that. Sorry, we

496
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: don't need any Milwaukee Bucks references after the NBA Finals

497
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: from two years ago. I also am a little dubious

498
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: that this is going to be the storyline that keeps

499
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: on giving throughout this season America as a short attention span,

500
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: this Kyler headline was barely even national news for twenty

501
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: four hours before Aaron Rodgers stole the show with his

502
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: kan air impersonation of Nicolas Cage. So I don't know, Danny,

503
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: do you think in week ten of this year, Kyler

504
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: might have a poor game or people are going to

505
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: be bringing this up? Yes, because I think I think

506
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: people look for any reason. I think from what we've

507
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: seen it's it's Look, when you're the franchise quarterback, you

508
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: get the praise and you get the criticism. And so

509
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: I think that now that national media will have this information,

510
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: it gives them something to grab onto. Besides, you know,

511
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: just whatever physically happens on the field. So absolutely, I

512
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: think this is going to become a reoccurring storyline. Whether

513
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: that is fair or not, whether that if he does

514
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: not have a good game, if you can attribute that

515
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: to the film study he watched or not. I do

516
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: think that this is going to be a reoccurring storyline.

517
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: All what'd you guys make a Buddha Baker's T shirt

518
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: yesterday and the words can't buy respect? That created a

519
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: little bit of a stirred did it not, Darren? You

520
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: had to clarify in a tweet. Well, once everything happened

521
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: with Kyler, all the time, I felt like everybody was

522
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: looking for reasons to tie everything back to Kyler Murray,

523
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: which was just stupid because Buddha even said, you know, look,

524
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: this is about me, and no, I don't always feel

525
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: like I get the respect, and but I you know,

526
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: you got to work for it, and I think Buddha

527
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: is the first guy to work for but it is

528
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: kind of funny when these guys wear t shirts that

529
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 1: they put out messages and then then they're sometimes I

530
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes they're surprised a little bit that people

531
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: noticed them. Look, I'm just gonna say my thought on

532
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: this and made me think it's naive. I just thought

533
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: it was a coincidence. It's a shirt he said he

534
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: wears all the time. Do I think he like intentionally

535
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: wore a shirt that said can't buy respect to the

536
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: press conference? He had? Probably not. I feel like Buddha

537
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: Baker gets a lot of respect for his play and

538
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: his leadership on this team. Personally, the way it was

539
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 1: like the question was it, the way the question was

540
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: asked and people talking about it, I thought it was

541
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: just a reach personally of a coincidence of wearing a

542
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: shirt that he said he likes to wear a lot

543
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: from a brand that he likes, and it happened to

544
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: be one of those things where people but make something

545
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: out of Really I'm okay with saying that. But here's

546
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: the deal. If you are gonna be on a press conference,

547
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: and I mean, these are the things that you do.

548
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: There are too many times when athletes, whether it's what

549
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: they put on social media or what they wear. They

550
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: are trying to say something. So you really think that

551
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: it's out of bounds for somebody to think for a

552
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: player that, from what I have seen, does get a

553
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: lot of respect and credit and all that on this team. Yeah,

554
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: to a pretty big degree. I think that was more

555
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: coincidental him wearing Here's I think he probably would have.

556
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm not brought up the shirt himself. I'm not saying

557
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't a coincidence. I'm just saying that you're you're

558
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: chastising people asking about it, and I'm just I'm just

559
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: saying for me, it felt like a reach. See those

560
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: T shirts podcast Daring, I'm allowed to share my opinion.

561
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: That's right. The T shirts are basically a modern day

562
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: ink blot test. It's what you make of it. It's

563
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: I saw it yesterday before any of the hullabaloo on Twitter.

564
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: I saw it. I saw a picture of it. I

565
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: just thought, you know what, that's a message to everyone

566
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: in camp. Just doesn't matter what your contract says. You

567
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: got to get out there and you got to earn

568
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: that respect. I didn't think much of it. I took

569
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: a picture of it, and then that's why people started responding.

570
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: But again they when you start going down like oh

571
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: that says something. He's making a comment about Kyler, I'm like,

572
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: come on now, it's sort of like the old prove

573
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: it T shirt that Adrian Wilson used to wear it right,

574
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: prove it right every single day. I don't need to

575
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: have that argument that you and Wolf have all the time.

576
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: I don't care how many days you have to prove it.

577
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: But I did enjoy the prove it T shirts back

578
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: in the day two thousand, right. The T shirt's go

579
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: way back, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, so okay, all right.

580
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: And then in terms of trying to I don't know,

581
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: earn respect or prove it. In twenty twenty two, Danny,

582
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: nobody was really having much of the whole playoff loss

583
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: being the being the lesson learned that's going to keep

584
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: on giving throughout this season. Right, They just sort of

585
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: they gave everyone the heisman on that line of questioning, Well,

586
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: that's what I talked about in our podcast last week,

587
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: because you know, you have the time has passed of

588
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: watching and rewatching that game multiple times, and what can

589
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: you learn physically mentally as an individual, as a team.

590
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: What can you learn from that? Do I believe when

591
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: Kyler said that, you know very well could be a

592
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: good thing from what they learned, the way they performed

593
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: and how they lost. Absolutely, But I also believe that

594
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: when zach Ertz and his press conference that you know

595
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: that that time has come and gone. You've learned your

596
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: lesson and this is a new team. Every team they're

597
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: playing is a new team, and it's a new season,

598
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: and you can't go in thinking about that. Maybe you

599
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: had that as motivation throughout the off season, but that

600
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: time has come and gone and now you know it's

601
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: it's full steam ahead and it's looking forward and that's great.

602
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: But once again, sort of like the Kyler contract thing,

603
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not going to be asked about it

604
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: come December. Right, there's gonna be the media person who

605
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: stands up in December center, aren't Jean's Two years ago

606
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: you lost five out of seven and last year you

607
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: lost five out of six to end the season and boom,

608
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: So it's gonna come up again, right. I think the

609
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: time right now, I could understand that maybe if you know,

610
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: you get to the same point of where the team

611
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: has collapsed consistently the last few years at the back

612
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: end of the season. But I think of where we

613
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: are right now, it doesn't really make much sense to

614
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: keep going back to the playoff game. It's a it's

615
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: a natural storyline when you're opening camp because this delineation,

616
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: we haven't really talked to them well. And that's I mean,

617
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: I know guys talked about it, like Buddha's talked about

618
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: it in the offseason and Arts too, because those guys

619
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: talk all the time compared to maybe some other players

620
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: that don't talk all the time. But I also think

621
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: that you know, as as you move forward, I'm I'm

622
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: not a fan of momentum from year to year. I

623
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: just I don't believe in that, Like I don't believe

624
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: in jinxes. I'm like, it's it's one of those things

625
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: where it's like there's just too much time in between.

626
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: If you're really talking about a team on the rise,

627
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: it's because you have players that are around and maybe

628
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: have some stability, But that's not necessarily momentum you're caring

629
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: from year to year. It just means you have a

630
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: good team or vice versa. So you know, I feel like, ultimately,

631
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad that it was a learning thing, and I

632
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: hope they haven't gotten super specific about what they learned

633
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: out of it. I mean, I know they've talked about, Okay,

634
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: we came out flat and that kind of stuff. I'm

635
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: hoping they got some specifics that they actually could tweak.

636
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: But unless they get in the same situation again when

637
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: they're playing a game like that, we're not going to

638
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: know what it means in the end, and we won't know,

639
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: just like when we were talking about the Kyler and

640
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: if he gets better, we don't know if it's about

641
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: film study. Like if they go out and lose another

642
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: playoff game this year, we won't know. If it's the

643
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: same issues, we won't, you know. I think there was

644
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: a lot that went into that game last year. There

645
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: was just I think the Rams were playing pretty good

646
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: football by the end of the year. The Cardinals obviously weren't. Anyways,

647
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: I think they kind of came out flat. I think

648
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: they let things get a little bit of sideways on them,

649
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: and they were a little overwhelmed at the moment. And

650
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: even Kyler said the other day it was their first

651
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: as a group, their first playoff experience. In Kyler's first

652
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: playoff experience. I mean, that's not you know, it's it's

653
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: nothing to freak out about unless they don't get back

654
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: to the playoffs for five more years and then you're like, Okay,

655
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: you really miss an opportunity. But obviously this group is

656
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: not thinking that that's what's going to happen. Yeah, the

657
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: lights were bright, the stage was big, There's no doubt

658
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: about it. They were the only obviously you know, playoff

659
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: game there on a weekday primetime slot on that Monday night.

660
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: So I get all that, but I was encouraged to

661
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: learn that they have watched the film repeatedly. Kyler said

662
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: he had watched it multiple times. When he did his

663
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: press conference after the contract, Buddha Baker said, he's watched

664
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: it multiple times. And what's that, I said, you've watched

665
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: it multiple times? Right, you know what? That is one

666
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: game film I did not watch. I did not why.

667
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: In fact, you know, my biggest memory from that game,

668
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: other than getting down twenty one nothing from the get

669
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: go middle of the second quarter, was seeing Matt Leinart

670
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: in a field box at the end of the game

671
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: and chopping it up with Matt who was in attendant.

672
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: So that was the highlighted at least to the second

673
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: half of the game for years truly. But when Buddha

674
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: says that I saw a lot of quote lack of

675
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: days ago things, pregame was good, and then, as you mentioned,

676
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: he used the four letter F word flat during a

677
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: playoff game. Yet that's confounding, no doubt about it. Maybe

678
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 1: they were just so emotionally spending the pregame and they

679
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: were so amped up they had nothing left come kickoff.

680
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I am at least a little

681
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: bit encouraged by the fact that they watched it and

682
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: then hopefully learn from it and they'll implement it through

683
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: the course of this season. And you know, look, you

684
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: talk about the Rams, and look at the issues they're

685
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: having right now with Matthew Stafford and that throwing an elbow,

686
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: what does that mean exactly? And now the forty nine

687
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: ers have moved on officially from Jimmy g and Trey

688
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: Lance is the guy and he's a complete wildcard. What

689
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: second I mean with the forty nine ers, And then

690
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 1: we know, with all due respect that Drew Locke and

691
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: Gino Smith Danny are the guys in Seattle. So to me,

692
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: this division is right there for the taking, and the

693
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: Cardinals have a good a shot as anyone, despite the

694
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: fact this defending Super Bowl champions reside in the NFC West. Yeah. Absolutely,

695
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: there's no reason why they can't take this division and

696
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: run with it. I do think it's up for the taking,

697
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: and that if this team can you know, live up

698
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: to the expectations and the standards that they have set

699
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: for themselves, and what the talent they have as individuals,

700
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: can you come together as a team and with the

701
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: coaching that I think this division could be theirs. Of course,

702
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: the Rams did add Alan Robinson, just like the Cardinals

703
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: added Hollywood Brown. And what is the latest with Hollywood

704
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: Brown Darren Urban? Please if people miss that as they

705
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: get ready for Cardinals camp twenty twenty two, what's the

706
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: latest with their new receiving threat. He's not going to

707
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: practice at least the outset of camp because of a

708
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: hamstring injuries on the non football injury list, which everybody

709
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: freaked out about a little bit, like how do you

710
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: hurt your hamstring non football will That doesn't necessarily mean

711
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: he wasn't training to play football. It wasn't running routes somewhere.

712
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: But if you don't do it within the context of

713
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: the team, whether it's offseason work or at camp or whatever.

714
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: A team puts you on the non football injury list.

715
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: It doesn't Honestly, it doesn't really mean make a difference

716
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: what list you put them on. It doesn't save your

717
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: roster spot right now. It would mean something contractually, if

718
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: it was so bad that he couldn't ever play before

719
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: the team, could you know, get that money back. But

720
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: that's that's neither here nor there. This is just a

721
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: procedural thing. I mean, I don't know when he heard it.

722
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't know the extent of it. I'm guessing it's

723
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: not super a big problem. And I would also point

724
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: out that JJ Watt heard his hamstring during the run

725
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: test last year and missed essentially all of camp, and

726
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: everybody's like, why is he not back? Why is he

727
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: not back when it was fairly clear in hindsight that

728
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: he probably could have come back at some point during

729
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: camp and he's just a ten year vetter. Now, I

730
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to happen with Hollywood, but I

731
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: totally think he's going to be back sooner rather than later.

732
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: All right, well, interesting, yeah, we'll see. I mean, the

733
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: first open practice to the public is Saturday, correct, So there.

734
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: I mean, for all we know, he could Hollywood Brown

735
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: could be back. Maybe he won't be back. We have

736
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: no clue at this point, but we do know that

737
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 1: fans can come in for the first time on Saturday, right, correct,

738
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: that's the back together Saturday. It's it's where the league

739
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: kind of celebrates all the teams back practice. It's the

740
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: first public practice for the Cardinals, you know. And again

741
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: there's ten open practices for the Cardinals starting Saturday. You

742
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: do need to get tickets. They're free, but you can

743
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: go to easy Cardinals dot com and find the link

744
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: to get those tickets. Parkings free obviously, lots of space

745
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: at stay Farm Stadium, so it'll be interesting to see

746
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: what all happens. There's going to be a bunch of

747
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: alumni back together Saturday. It'll be interesting. They won't be

748
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: in pads yet, but they'll be doing some things with

749
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: spiders on, which is kind of like the light pads,

750
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: and it'll just be good to have people back in

751
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: the building watching the watching the team a little bit.

752
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: Come say, hi, I heard Darren's doing autographs. You know what. Good.

753
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up the autographs as a table

754
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: as that was. I did because I've had people ask. Obviously,

755
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: there was nobody around for COVID two years ago. Last

756
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: year people were back in the building, but autographs weren't allowed.

757
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: You weren't allowed to be interacting with players. We're back

758
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: to normal. There will be autographs being signed by players,

759
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: um going forward, not me, who nobody wants mine. They're

760
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna want Danny Serek autographs before Darren Urban probably promise

761
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: you that, so so you do you do have that opportunity.

762
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: I mean it'll be the first come, first serve kind

763
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: of variety where you you got to hope that they

764
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: come to the railings and sign for your stuff, but uh,

765
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: they are available. What's up with the Eagles having one

766
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: open training camp practice in the entirety of August. What

767
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: about the Titans having only two open practices for their fans?

768
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: I ended up looking I think the Titans have some

769
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: semi open practices, like they're not completely public, but like

770
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: they're having some of their season ticket holders be able

771
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: to get in there. A lot of it has to do,

772
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: quite frankly, Paul, with where these teams hold the practices.

773
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: Most of them hold them at the ones that have

774
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: very few open practices, they're holding it at their practice facility,

775
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: and those places just I mean it's just like the

776
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: Cardinals practice facility. You can't bring people in there to

777
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: watch practice. So yeah, that's that's the big problem these days. Okay,

778
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: all right, Danny, what's on your radar leading up to

779
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: back together Saturday? These first few practices? What are you

780
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: looking at? I mean, your head's gonna be on a

781
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: swivel and you got a little checklist and you're checking

782
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: it twice. What are you looking for? I'm probably going

783
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: to be looking more on the defensive side of the ball.

784
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: I'd like to see the front seven and kind of

785
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: see rotations they're doing, or how you know, those younger

786
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: players are looking, you know, how are they utilizing. Isaiah

787
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: Simmons says, it look like Zavian Collins is taking first

788
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: team reps or calling the defense. And I know that

789
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: it's early and there's plenty of time for things to change,

790
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: but I think immediately that's that's an area that really

791
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: intrigues me. I want to see I want to see

792
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: all that, obviously, but I really am curious, especially early on,

793
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: I want to see what we're rounde more is lining

794
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: up and what kind of snaps he's getting. I Mean,

795
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: we all know he's gonna have a big role, But

796
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: what does that mean is he is he is Christian

797
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: Kirk Sequel, I mean not necessarily the same exact player,

798
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: but is he in that role? Are they doing some

799
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: other different things from him? Are they going to send

800
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: him down the field a little more often? Because I

801
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: do think he is a tremendous key to this offense,

802
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: especially early in the season while without DeAndre Hopkins. I

803
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: think they're very much counting on Rondale Moore to be

804
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: a big deal. And we'll see what that means. Yeah,

805
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: I would agree with all that that secondary in particular

806
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: intriguing to hear Buddha Baker really give Marco Wilson a

807
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: lot of props right yesterday when he when he met

808
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: the media. That would be huge, obviously for the Cardinals.

809
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: If Marco Wilson took that next step from year one

810
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: to year two. We know that, you know what, he

811
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: had a pretty good first half of his rookie season.

812
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: Things obviously faded down the stretch, but that kid has

813
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: all the measurables and all the intangibles. To be a

814
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: really good corner in the league. We'll see, obviously, we'll

815
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: also see if there's a couple of time time signs.

816
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: He hinted as much last Friday after the Kyler Murray

817
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: press garments in ninety eight seven FM Arizona Sports occurud

818
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: be a couple of signings coming. What does that mean?

819
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: Is there going to be an edge rusher for example,

820
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: that's coming. I'll tell you, I'm gonna be looking for

821
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck. Just what does he look like? Can he

822
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: Does he look like that twenty twenty Dennis Gardeck? Does

823
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: he have that sort of explosion? Is he making blockers

824
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: look stupid? And is he able to get back to

825
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: those Tasmanian devil type, you know, pass rush moves that

826
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: he had. Obviously that would be huge for this defense.

827
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: So and yeah, if they're gonna run out there first, second,

828
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: and third team, where exactly is Zavan Collins and Isaiah Simmons?

829
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: Is Zavan Collins running first team? Is he running a

830
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: mic linebacker? Is he calling the defense? Isaiah Simmons? Does

831
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: he pick up where he left off? Is he mainly

832
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: with the dbs? You know what exactly does that all

833
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: mean and so yeah, I mean, there's there's plenty to watch.

834
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: And then of course that right guard position where Steve

835
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: Kim added Josh Jones of the mix. I really thought

836
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: it was Will Hernandez and and Justin Murray battling for

837
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: right guard, and Kimes stopped me short and said, no,

838
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: Josh Jones is in that mix as well. You know,

839
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I'm a little surprised about that. I

840
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: thought they had gotten to the point where they felt

841
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: like Josh Jones was a tackle. So I'll be curious

842
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: to know how much work he actually gets a guard.

843
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: Is he a guard? I mean, his size, it just

844
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: so we'll see. But but Darren, when you look at

845
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: the offensive line, they need answers long term, don't they.

846
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: Everybody is in the final year of their contract except

847
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson and a young guy like Josh Jones. You

848
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: figure is going to get a lot of reps in

849
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: these three preseason games. Yeah. But but I mean one

850
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: of the guys that's in his final year is Kelvin

851
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,919
Speaker 1: Beacham at right tackle. And you know, you would hope

852
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: going into the third year that Josh Jones would be

853
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: able to compete for that a little bit more. But

854
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: if he's going to be in that mix for guard,

855
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: then maybe they've already kind of settled that Beacham's going

856
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: to be that right tackle, which is I mean, that's fine.

857
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: I think beach is a solid player. But I'm sure

858
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: you've got to be a little bit disappointed that Josh

859
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: Jones hasn't pushed harder well Red Sea, when you come

860
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: out there Bird Gang to get inter you know, get

861
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: autographs including Darren Urban and Danny Serek. You know, maybe

862
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: get yourself one of those new fangled black helmets and

863
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: they get yourself one of those Painter pens or whatever

864
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: you can. That'd be a heck of an autograph. You know,

865
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: the first time you guys autograph one of those new

866
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: mini black helmets, that's when you know you'll have arrived. Dan.

867
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: I don't mean to cut off Danny, but I'm gonna

868
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: just say right now, Paul, I've had the opportunity to

869
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: autograph like a helmet before or a football, and I

870
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: beg off of it as much as humanly possible, because

871
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't want to ruin this with my signature.

872
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: It's such a big shot Darren, you know, Darren, I'm okay,

873
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: let's just just go really into the trust tree right now. Okay,

874
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: is your fear that your name is like there next

875
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: to Larry Fitzgerald or a Curt Warner or you know,

876
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, Or is the fear that you're gonna jack

877
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: it up trying to sign your name on the surface

878
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: that like a helmet or a football, because the couple

879
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: of times has happened years. Truely, I'm like, I'm just

880
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: not confident execute a really legible signature here that's worthy

881
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: of this pigskin or this helmet. It's not as easy

882
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: as it might seem to sign anything and everything. I'll

883
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: agree with that, having written on helmets before, because like

884
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: at our place, a lot of times, if a long

885
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: time employee leaves, we will get a helmet where all

886
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: all your friends at the place sign it. And even

887
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 1: doing that when you have some time can be difficult.

888
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: But I will say this, your autograph should be honed

889
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: by now, Paul. I mean, I don't know any kid,

890
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: and that would include me. Once upon a time when

891
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: I thought I might be able to be a pro athlete,

892
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, when I was nine, when I before I

893
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: realized that I was stupid. Don't you start practicing. I

894
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: have the same signature that I practiced when I was nine.

895
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: I got a big loopy D because I wanted a

896
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: signature that was going to stand out if I was

897
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: ever autographing anything. And that's still my signature. You know what,

898
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: for anybody listening, if anybody pulls what one fan did

899
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: at the Pro Bowl in Vegas and February with Buddha

900
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: Baker and with Kyler Murray, somebody comes and they have

901
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: Darren Urban autograph their hand, their arms, some body part

902
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: and then they get it tattooed. I'll pay you one

903
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. You're gonna need a lot more to really,

904
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: I should offer like fifty. So that's right the guy did.

905
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: Was it both the signatures? Yeah, he went the first

906
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: day Boodha signed like the top of his left hand,

907
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: and he went and got it tattooed, and showed up

908
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: the next day and had Kyler signed the top of

909
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 1: his other hand, and he had James signed, maybe his forearm.

910
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: James Connor. Yes. So if anybody comes and they have

911
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: Darren Urban, you have to prove though that you're getting

912
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: it tattooed. Was it was Kyler. Would Kyler signed signed

913
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: his arm anyways, or was he convinced because he already

914
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: had the Boodha tattoo. I'm curious that's just where he

915
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: asked him to sign. No, but I mean, I just

916
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: I thought maybe Kyler was like, I don't know about that. Well, no, no,

917
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a tattooed. That's crazy. Yeah, So if

918
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: anyone does that with Darren Urban's signature Back Together Saturday,

919
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: then I will find way to get you one hundred dollars.

920
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: You can't do it yourself. They're gonna scar themselves for life.

921
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: Why why does it always come back to tattoos with me?

922
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: What the hell's that about? To say you've already had

923
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: enough issues? Don't get Larry. If it's should involved in

924
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: this and it's three million followers, my goodness. Okay, all

925
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: I want to do is talk about Back Together Saturday

926
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: in the black helmets. So I don't I don't know

927
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: where this all went exactly, but that's what you're not

928
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: here in person, Paul. You lose total control. We will

929
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: see the black helmets at some point during camp. Don't

930
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: they have to wear them for like a whole week

931
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: leading up to the Ravens game. Yes, you have to.

932
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: You have to practice in them for a week before

933
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: you play with them, at least a week. So but

934
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: but here's the deal that that week of practice is

935
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: after open practices. So while I think there will be

936
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: they'll be video and photos of it, there will not

937
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: be public practices open when they're wearing those helmets. So so,

938
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: did you flex a little in the in the mail bag?

939
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: Did you tell everyone get off me? The black helmets

940
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: have arrived, Darren? Did you finally get your pound of

941
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: flesh in the mailbag? Uh? Not really, because I had

942
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: two dueling that. One guy sent in something before the

943
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: helmets were now, saying, hey, if we just get these

944
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: black helmets, everybody can be happy then in the short term,

945
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: even if they wanted uniforms, which I appreciate, and I

946
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: put that in even though he sent it in before that.

947
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: Then another guy said, okay, the helmets are fine, but

948
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: this is not what we ask for. What what the hell?

949
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: That's great, that's right. You know you can't please everyone

950
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: all the time. That's that's good. You know, it's the

951
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: old Bruce Springsteen line. You know, poor men want to

952
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: be rich. Rich men want to be king. It's insatiable.

953
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: Everyone's appetite. They just want more. That's the way it

954
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: works around here. Okay, all right, Danny, any party words

955
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: as you get ready to camp, pace yourself during the

956
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: course of this training camp. Okay, what do you mean,

957
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: pace yourself. It's a long preseason camp obviously, you know,

958
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: you know, make make sure make sure that your game ready,

959
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: regular season ready come week one again the Chiefs. I mean,

960
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: it's not Oxnard or anything, but you can say that

961
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 1: I never even went to Oxnard in all the years

962
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: I worked for the Cowboys. Good point. So I don't know,

963
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: but thank you for the advice. Paul. We can't wait

964
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: to see you out here. Okay, that's that's actually just

965
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: I'm reminding myself to be honest with you. So she

966
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: is wearing Cowboys blue today, though, Paul, This is we

967
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: talked about. Okay, you know what, this sounds like a

968
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: perfect way to wrap up the podcast. True, Yeah, that

969
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: is true. Yeah, that's true. Before Darren gets a beat down,

970
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 1: So I'm sure I'm gonna have many during training camp.

971
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: Right after she like throws me out there to be

972
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: signed an autograph. That's right. You guys can do your

973
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: own breakout session podcast, The Bickerson's As we wrap up

974
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: this edition, and special thanks to producer Jim Alandro and

975
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: the person making it all happen, Lauren Coble. Appreciate all

976
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: the expertise and figuring this whole thing out. We hope

977
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: you are training camp sometime, Paul. Just keep an eye

978
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: in the helicopter pad I, I'll be arriving shortly. You're

979
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Speaker 1: on Cardinal's Underground, brought you by Pacific Office Automation m