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Speaker 1: E dot com. He was he's getting his vegetation management
Speaker 1: on his place.
Speaker 3: Oh, I said, clo old, mature, closed canopy, oak forest.
Speaker 4: He's giving you shit about you wanting everything to.
Speaker 1: Look like a park.
Speaker 3: No, if you can see more are more important things.
Speaker 1: If you if someone told you you could kill your daughter,
Speaker 1: make a box be big. You're not gonna kill your daughter,
Speaker 1: of course not okay.
Speaker 3: But is this on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, trees start the mill started a minute ago where
Speaker 1: I said, have it start right where I said that
Speaker 1: Yanni if he would kill his daughter to make a
Speaker 1: bigger buck, and then we'll pick up.
Speaker 3: Now you're saying that, uh, my daughter is the equivalent
Speaker 3: value to a stand of oaks.
Speaker 1: No, the point I'm making in your in your drive
Speaker 1: to make your Wisconsin property a big buck heaven, to
Speaker 1: make it part of the white tail industrial complex.
Speaker 3: You're willing, you're already mischaracterizing.
Speaker 1: You're willing to sacrifice. You're willing to sacrifice these poor
Speaker 1: trees that have been there a long time. Would would
Speaker 1: would you?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Would you say that you would be a happy.
Speaker 5: Hunter if everyone managed their oak stands to look like
Speaker 5: a hundred year old park.
Speaker 1: I don't understand the question. Put it in terms of
Speaker 1: me killing my children.
Speaker 4: I That's not how my brain works. What I'm saying
Speaker 4: is is hunting in America would be extremely different if
Speaker 4: everything looked how you wanted to look.
Speaker 1: I understand, I understand. What I'm trying to prevent him
Speaker 1: from doing is chopping them all down and not and
Speaker 1: not leaving some amount of them up.
Speaker 3: I already told you I'm leaving some amount of them
Speaker 3: less than ten.
Speaker 4: Low stem density, slicker down.
Speaker 1: Yanni. That's what I say, just just to bring people
Speaker 1: up to speed who are joining us today. Yanni's been
Speaker 1: trying to develop a how many acres?
Speaker 3: Forty?
Speaker 1: He's trying to develop forty acres of Wisconsin hardwood into
Speaker 1: into a little deer nest, and in doing this, he's
Speaker 1: gonna wildlife nest and in doing this, he's gonna kill
Speaker 1: all kinds of oaks. Which here's the thing that strikes me.
Speaker 1: Here's why this is upsetting to me, my dear mother,
Speaker 1: who still lives in the house I grew up in
Speaker 1: that yard. Our yard where I grew up was when
Speaker 1: I was a boy, was just giant oaks, a bunch
Speaker 1: of probably ten, I don't know, giant oaks. And then
Speaker 1: over the years they have, out of expediency oftentimes for
Speaker 1: as frivolous of a concern is leaf raking and stick
Speaker 1: picking up, they have pretty much eradicated the oaks as
Speaker 1: has as has been a general movement all around that lake.
Speaker 1: So where once from the air it was just an
Speaker 1: oak canopy and squirrel heaven, has been just this movement
Speaker 1: to like get rid of all these big beautiful trees,
Speaker 1: not for deer management. So when I hear people chopping
Speaker 1: down all the trees, like I go to a kind
Speaker 1: of a low rax place.
Speaker 4: Yep, you got to picture all the trees that are
Speaker 4: going to be there.
Speaker 1: After everyone's dead, after after The hard to look to
Speaker 1: the future is when all humans are gone, you know,
Speaker 1: because we won't right, yeap, Just how crazy the earth
Speaker 1: is going to get when it rebuilds in a few
Speaker 1: million years.
Speaker 5: It'll be good deer hunting to chop all the big
Speaker 5: trees down.
Speaker 1: I get tim I get timmer management. I just I
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna move on from the subject. I just
Speaker 1: want you to just be delicate and and and be
Speaker 1: delicate nature.
Speaker 5: Listen, if we all die tomorrow, all the humans are gone,
Speaker 5: nature is going to come through with a big wind storm,
Speaker 5: knock all those damn oaks over. Anyway, It's gonna and
Speaker 5: a fire is gonna come through and burn that. It's
Speaker 5: just going to get back to its normal fire cycle.
Speaker 5: Johannis just kind of mimicking that through a timber harvest.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's interesting. I grew up in a place and
Speaker 6: that's exactly what it is. There's been no management whatsoever.
Speaker 6: Lots of old oaks, but lots of big wind storms
Speaker 6: and it's just a jungle now. But the deer love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a deer are Paul as you
Speaker 1: like you've been on the show before. I had been
Speaker 1: on your last time. Paul from Vortex Office.
Speaker 6: Is great to be here, but that was probably one
Speaker 6: of the first way back. It would be way back.
Speaker 6: I can't even remember what the topics would have been
Speaker 6: we were talking about, but we were.
Speaker 3: Like, let's discuss rifle sculpt and how they.
Speaker 6: Were probably Yeah, that's exactly what it was.
Speaker 5: Pull your mic up just a little bit higher on
Speaker 5: your there sound better?
Speaker 3: Yeah, high level with your mustache as such as it is.
Speaker 1: It's just right here to fingers. There you go, all right,
Speaker 1: Jason Phelps is with us today. Glad here are your
Speaker 1: mic up to? Jeez, glad to be here. Cus de
Speaker 1: your hunting in the rain, joined as well by Starbucks
Speaker 1: apologist Matt Cook.
Speaker 2: We have to talk about that. Shill got some things
Speaker 2: about that. I get upset all.
Speaker 1: Over again, and uh yeah, honest and seth. I could
Speaker 1: bore you guys, well, yeah, do you ever want to do that? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna bore you with that. But here's something
Speaker 1: interesting someone wrote in about So. We recently had the agriculturalist,
Speaker 1: Will agriculturist, speaking of land management, Will Harris. Were you
Speaker 1: there when Will Harris was on the show, No, sir,
Speaker 1: he runs a large regendat Regenerate He we we discussed
Speaker 1: with him regenerative agriculture. What that means is some of
Speaker 1: the practices that go into it. And he talked about
Speaker 1: they run a slow water plant on.
Speaker 3: The oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, what was it? Last oak? No,
Speaker 3: white oaks, not like a brush pastures, white oak pastures
Speaker 3: mm hmm. But you know you got to kill out
Speaker 3: of white oaks that have pasture underneath.
Speaker 1: Will Harrison white Oak Pastures was on and he was
Speaker 1: talking about their his this this grand scale experiment of
Speaker 1: trying to create a farm where you minimize, you minimize
Speaker 1: what comes you, try to have more individual control of
Speaker 1: what comes in and what goes off of the place,
Speaker 1: to the point where they are running their own inspected
Speaker 1: slaughter plant for the livestock that they sell. They sell
Speaker 1: much of it direct to consumer, and then they also
Speaker 1: are doing their own composting of the guts and guts
Speaker 1: and everything off their own livestock. What's the word I'm
Speaker 1: looking for. You don't say guts if you're a livestock man. Awful,
Speaker 1: the viscera awful, awful, they're composting their own awful. And
Speaker 1: so they have they use heavy equipment and they use
Speaker 1: wood chips and other things, and they're able to after
Speaker 1: the slaughtery a will take all of the non usable
Speaker 1: animal remains and compost them on site, and then use
Speaker 1: that compost on site. A gentleman wrote in, uh, and
Speaker 1: this is fitting, Dirt, you were talking about doing a
Speaker 1: shot of the Last Supper? Can you still pull that off?
Speaker 1: Dirt's back here? Oh, Dirt, While you're doing that, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna share with listeners a thing that Dirt shared with me.
Speaker 1: Who is not present when Dirt discussed his grandfather's chapstick
Speaker 1: of choice?
Speaker 4: Oh, I was not present?
Speaker 2: Not present?
Speaker 1: Okay, Now I'm gonna give you three guesses as to
Speaker 1: what Dirt's grandfather other liked for chapstick. How wild do
Speaker 1: we have to go?
Speaker 2: Just?
Speaker 1: It ain't chapstick, beef tow, it ain't for sale at
Speaker 1: the store, beef Tell.
Speaker 3: You give him a farther hint. There's too many his
Speaker 3: body produces it.
Speaker 1: Yes, his grandfather, goodness, Yeah, would dig his own earwax
Speaker 1: his ear, and apply it as chapstick.
Speaker 3: Yesterday it was.
Speaker 2: Lips all day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that made a ton of sense. Did you get
Speaker 1: shout of the Last Supper? Got? Why? I want to
Speaker 1: key that up? So this gentleman writes in what's this
Speaker 1: guy's name? Uh, it doesn't really matter. Stephen from Illinois.
Speaker 1: Stephen from Illinois rights in. As he was listening to
Speaker 1: our guest talking about composting animals his own site, he
Speaker 1: reminded him of a Bible verse. He says, an old
Speaker 1: Bible verse. But all Bible verses are old. If someone
Speaker 1: shows you a new Bible verse, be skeptical an old
Speaker 1: Bible verse. Any Israelite or any foreigner residing among you
Speaker 1: who hunts any animal or bird that may be eaten
Speaker 1: must drain out the blood and cover it with the
Speaker 1: earth Leviticus, seventeen thirteen. And he thought about that as
Speaker 1: he's talking about Will Harris talking about spreading out the
Speaker 1: guts and covering them with earth, and he wants to
Speaker 1: know is this a good practice? And he says, perhaps
Speaker 1: it's not lawful in some areas to dig dirt up
Speaker 1: and cover your gut pile. But he's wondering, you know
Speaker 1: where that comes from Biblically? Does it strike someone as
Speaker 1: good thing when you get done cutting up an animal
Speaker 1: in the field, that you would go out and cover
Speaker 1: it with dirt? And is that legal? I have never
Speaker 1: heard of any restrictions on covering up your gut pile
Speaker 1: with dirt. The only con I could think of is
Speaker 1: that usually, well, you know what, in some places you
Speaker 1: have to, right, probably in condor don't you have to
Speaker 1: in condo recovery areas? Aren't you supposed to cover your No?
Speaker 1: Am I making this.
Speaker 6: Up because of the lead Yeah, potentially that's probably why
Speaker 6: that would have been.
Speaker 1: Am I making this up. There's a place you're supposed
Speaker 1: to cover yourt gut pile, bary your gut pole. No,
Speaker 1: I think there's somewhere where there was for a while,
Speaker 1: maybe before the lead band and the condo recovery area,
Speaker 1: you were actually tasked with covering bearing your gut pile. However,
Speaker 1: I've never heard of any restrictions on it. Yanni. Well,
Speaker 1: now in times, I don't know if you still do this.
Speaker 1: He will drape the hide over just to leave it
Speaker 1: seeming tidy.
Speaker 3: I would think, just to make the coyotes work for it.
Speaker 1: I would think a negative would be in doing this.
Speaker 1: A negative would be that, you know, rafters will dine
Speaker 1: on that, and if you're covered it with dirt, maybe
Speaker 1: make their job a little bit harder. But it's definitely
Speaker 1: not going to go to waste. But then he gets
Speaker 1: into a lot of this other stuff that I've discussed
Speaker 1: before about why are there so many references in the
Speaker 1: Bible to trapping and talking about other other biblical versus
Speaker 1: that reference hunting? So Proverbs, who can tell me what?
Speaker 1: Proverbs twelve twenty seven. Nobody? Okay, lazy people, hear this.
Speaker 1: Lazy people don't even cook the game they catch, but
Speaker 1: the diligent make use of everything they find.
Speaker 2: M M. That's a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now he goes on to say this, I'll provide some
Speaker 1: insight on this in the minute Amos. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know that was part of them, Amos Amos three five
Speaker 1: does it's a rhetorical question, I gather. Does a bird
Speaker 1: swoop down to a trap on the ground when no
Speaker 1: bait is there? Does a trap spring up from the
Speaker 1: ground if it has not caught anything? Psalms ninety one
Speaker 1: to three. Surely He will save you from the fowler's
Speaker 1: snare and from the deadly pestilence Proverbs one seventeen. How
Speaker 1: useless to spread a net where every bird can see it?
Speaker 1: Proverbs sixty five. Free yourself, like a gazelle from the
Speaker 1: hand of the hunter, like a bird from the snare
Speaker 1: of the fowler, and then one first Samuel twenty six,
Speaker 1: the king of Israel has come out to look for
Speaker 1: a flea as one hunts a partridge in the mountains.
Speaker 1: Isaiah fifty one to twenty. Your children have fainted. They
Speaker 1: lie at every street corner like antelope caught in a net.
Speaker 1: And lastly Ecclesiastices nine to twelve. Moreover, no one knows
Speaker 1: when their hour will come, as fish are caught in
Speaker 1: a cruel net, or birds are taken in a snare.
Speaker 1: So people are trapped by evil times that fall unexpectedly
Speaker 1: upon them. I think all that seth.
Speaker 5: I know, Uh, several times in Pennsylvania have come back
Speaker 5: to a gut pile from a deer I've killed, and
Speaker 5: it's been covered up by a bobcats. So maybe they're
Speaker 5: doing the Lord's work out there.
Speaker 1: There you go, all this netting, so I had I've
Speaker 1: mentioned this for a while, revisit it. I had occasion
Speaker 1: one time to go to a thing called you've wrote
Speaker 1: the Hobbad House. Matt, you're a worldly fella, I am. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've been. You've spent time with the Israelites.
Speaker 2: No, but there's in downtown Chicago.
Speaker 1: So a friend of mine was Jewish, and we went
Speaker 1: to this thing called the Hobbad House, and basically it's
Speaker 1: where reformed I'm gonna say this in the way that
Speaker 1: the Hobbad probably would not characterize it. It's like it's
Speaker 1: a it's a Jewish, it's a it's like a Jewish
Speaker 1: fundamentalist organization that tries to recruit reformed or laxed Jews.
Speaker 1: So they're not proselytizing to gentiles. They're like proselytizing two
Speaker 1: Jews who aren't practicing, okay, so they would have zero
Speaker 1: interest in me as a gen like a Hobbad dude
Speaker 1: would have zero interest in me as a as a gentile.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not there. I'm not there, but I'm
Speaker 1: with my friend who's a reformed Jew, and you get
Speaker 1: to ask these people questions. And she was researching a book,
Speaker 1: is why she was there. So I was just there
Speaker 1: hanging out, and I was saying, because we're talking about
Speaker 1: dietary law from the Old Testament, so Old Testament dietary
Speaker 1: law gets into a lot of things like that's where
Speaker 1: you know, you'll say like that don't eat pork, okay,
Speaker 1: And so everybody says, oh, yeah, of course, the Bible
Speaker 1: says don't eat pork because you could get trick andosis.
Speaker 1: But if you ask, uh, if you ask one of
Speaker 1: these scholars, why does the Bible say don't eat pork?
Speaker 1: Is it because of trick andosis? They would say, you
Speaker 1: don't know. We don't know why God said don't eat pork.
Speaker 1: Don't speak for God. It's a mystery why he'd like,
Speaker 1: he doesn't say why he doesn't want you to eat pork.
Speaker 1: Don't eat pork. If he said it was because of
Speaker 1: it feels because of trick gnosis, he would say, that's
Speaker 1: what it is. You don't know why. So there's a
Speaker 1: dietary prohibition. Like if you if you follow the Old Testament,
Speaker 1: if you follow it literally, you know, like you don't gamble,
Speaker 1: you definitely don't gamble. You don't eat shrimp. So no,
Speaker 1: no shellfish, no fish without scales, no animals that don't
Speaker 1: have a cloven hoof, which rules out hogs, it rules
Speaker 1: out horse meat, definitely rules out coyotes, an array of
Speaker 1: insects you're not supposed to eat. And he just lays
Speaker 1: out like, here's what my people eat, here's what my
Speaker 1: people don't eat. One of the things that when for
Speaker 1: you to eat an animal, if you follow the Bible literally,
Speaker 1: if you eat an animal, that there's a ritualistic way
Speaker 1: that the animal needs to be killed with a cut
Speaker 1: to the throat with a certain type of blade. So
Speaker 1: you'll see references often to netting animals because you can
Speaker 1: net an animal. You could catch a wild animal and
Speaker 1: still do ritualistic slaughter to make it kosher. So I
Speaker 1: was asking him how could you have how could you
Speaker 1: eat wild game as an observant Jew or as an
Speaker 1: observant Christian who observes the Old Testament, And he said,
Speaker 1: you have to catch it in a net, and then
Speaker 1: you can catch it a net because because the slaughter
Speaker 1: needs to be able to inspect the animal, and not
Speaker 1: only that, they need to be able to inspect the viscera.
Speaker 1: So if you have a cash root cosh root ka
Speaker 1: s h r u t if you do cosh root
Speaker 1: slaughter when they have rabbis that they'll gut the animal
Speaker 1: and pull the lungs out and see if it has
Speaker 1: any lesions or anything, because they're they're they're playing it
Speaker 1: so safe with God that they're like God says, don't
Speaker 1: eat carrying, Okay, So that's another descriptor if you follow
Speaker 1: the Old Testament literally, and no one does. But if
Speaker 1: you did, Uh, if you follow the Old Testament literally,
Speaker 1: you would not be able to eat road kill because
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to ascertain the health of the animal.
Speaker 1: No one inspected the health of the animal. So some
Speaker 1: people who are super fundamentalists play it so safe, uh,
Speaker 1: play it so safe with God that they would be like,
Speaker 1: not only do I not want to eat carrion, I
Speaker 1: don't want to eat something that may have had a
Speaker 1: close brush with death and then lived. So you'll take
Speaker 1: a perfectly healthy looking animal and they'll still pull its
Speaker 1: lungs to see if it has any lesions from past
Speaker 1: ailments that might have made it that like it almost
Speaker 1: was dead. So you're like, you're you're hedging your bets.
Speaker 7: I'm starting to really question eating elk with hoof rot
Speaker 7: and deer that survives CWD and I no.
Speaker 1: No, you will, you will be struck down. Probably should
Speaker 1: revisit them.
Speaker 2: Question for you. So is it anything that is you
Speaker 2: know you catch the animal live I mean netting, not literally,
Speaker 2: but if there was a live trap.
Speaker 1: Yes you could do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, you could be after you have to be the
Speaker 2: one that kills it.
Speaker 1: You could follow Old Testament. You could Old Testament dietary
Speaker 1: law and catch a deer in a net, which is
Speaker 1: gonna get in trouble with your state fishing game agency.
Speaker 1: But you got to sort of go like what matters
Speaker 1: more like law of God or law of man right,
Speaker 1: And the Bible will also advise you on where the
Speaker 1: hierarchy of law falls, and it would say the law
Speaker 1: of God sits above the law of man. So if
Speaker 1: you were trying to follow the Bible, you could catch
Speaker 1: a deer in a net and then do the proper
Speaker 1: slaughter in the proper way, and that meat would be fine.
Speaker 1: It's not that there's a problem with the meat in
Speaker 1: and of itself, it's the process of delivering it to
Speaker 1: the plate. And then, of course you couldn't mix it
Speaker 1: with milk, like you can't eat meat and cheese together,
Speaker 1: because the Bible says, don't boil a kid in its
Speaker 1: mother's milk. So to play it extra safe, you don't
Speaker 1: mix milk and meat.
Speaker 2: Even the milk is different than the animal that you're
Speaker 2: mixing it with, meaning.
Speaker 1: Don't like I don't know, you'd be like, I don't
Speaker 1: exactly know what God meant, but don't mix milk and God,
Speaker 1: don't mix meat and milk in any circumstances. There's a
Speaker 1: bunch of our stuff. And there's also like God says,
Speaker 1: don't shave the corners of your face, and so people
Speaker 1: have trouble have been puzzled by what that means. That's
Speaker 1: why you'll see observant Jews that have the pays that
Speaker 1: long because they play it so safe. They're like, not
Speaker 1: only am I not gonna shave my side burn, I
Speaker 1: don't really know what he meant, so I'm gonna extend
Speaker 1: that up into my hairline to make sure I'm playing
Speaker 1: it safe. We're gonna get a lot of letters of
Speaker 1: people who don't want to describe. But it's fascinating. It's
Speaker 1: a great approach. It'd be like, it's a really great
Speaker 1: approach to be an observant. You'd be like, you take
Speaker 1: what they said, and you extra don't do it.
Speaker 2: You know, question for you, is there any loophole or
Speaker 2: anyone you've ever seen where you know, instead of hunting
Speaker 2: in a traditional way, they are live trapping animals and
Speaker 2: you know, preparing the meat and they in the way
Speaker 2: that you described you.
Speaker 1: Know, I've never heard of it. I've never heard of
Speaker 1: any interesting I've never heard. I've never seen. I've never
Speaker 1: heard of game meat being advertised as cash root. I
Speaker 1: think when you look at the food labels, I think
Speaker 1: it's you. Maybe it's a you with a circle around
Speaker 1: it would tell you that that it's in, that it's
Speaker 1: prepared in accordance with Old Testament dietary law.
Speaker 2: I said, know, there's a loophole from a hunting perspective.
Speaker 1: No, I've never heard of anybody exploiting that loophole. Because
Speaker 1: then you get into this huge there's a huge element
Speaker 1: of tradition. For instance, Uh, now, like shark meat would
Speaker 1: be generally regarded as not kosher, but now researchers like,
Speaker 1: it's not the way that they think of a scale.
Speaker 1: Really a shark is scaled, right, So when they look
Speaker 1: at shark skin, right, the anatomy of sharkskin, they're like, arguably,
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's you know, millions of scales that
Speaker 1: create that skin field, just the scale different form. That
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that people that follow Old Testament dietary law
Speaker 1: rushed out to buy shark meat. And there's like a.
Speaker 6: Tradition forbidden shark meat. I missed that part of it.
Speaker 1: What was no scaleless fish.
Speaker 3: I wish that my kids would take the same approach
Speaker 3: to uh, listening to my parenting.
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't want to upset dad, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be extra sayed.
Speaker 2: Not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That'd be great. Yeah, it's like, you know, Dad gets
Speaker 1: mad about the candy, so in fact, I'm cutting out
Speaker 1: some sugars they would traditionally have been okay, I don't
Speaker 1: want to make my dad man. Speaking of kids, there
Speaker 1: to day, I had a long time ago told my
Speaker 1: kids the story of how the Teddy Bear came to be,
Speaker 1: Like how the why Teddy Bears are Teddy Bears? And
Speaker 1: it involves, of course, Teddy Roosevelt opting not to shoot
Speaker 1: a a black bear that a freed slaveh a former
Speaker 1: slave and hunting guide named Holt Collier, had lassoed and
Speaker 1: tied to a tree. Teddy Rose opts not to shoot
Speaker 1: the bear. A weird part of the story that never
Speaker 1: gets told is like they'd killed the bear anyways, he
Speaker 1: didn't kill but they still killed the barracks. It was
Speaker 1: all messed up. They always leave that out of the
Speaker 1: telling anyways. I was asking my kids, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: remember when I told you the story of how the
Speaker 1: Teddy Bear got its name. Tell me that story back.
Speaker 1: And my eight year old is telling me the story back,
Speaker 1: and he says he doesn't remember the name of whole Collier,
Speaker 1: but he says, and then the hunting guide called Teddy Rosevelt.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he called him place a phone called the
Speaker 1: Teddy rolls. Uh, here's a so. Here's a study that
Speaker 1: just came out that's interesting. The headline study finds bigfoot
Speaker 1: sightings correlate with black bear populations.
Speaker 6: Surprise, surprise, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I got an email. I'll give you a little more
Speaker 1: than I'll tell you about a thing that they're looking
Speaker 1: at to and I'll prelude it by saying this. A
Speaker 1: guy just wrote. A journalist just wrote in he wanted
Speaker 1: to like quote an article that was at the mediator
Speaker 1: dot com about gunfire and hearing loss. And it's, uh,
Speaker 1: you know how I used to have all these ideas
Speaker 1: It turned out to be wrong. I thought left wing
Speaker 1: people were far more likely to be gluten intolerant than
Speaker 1: right wing people. And I thought left wing people we're
Speaker 1: far more likely to believe in ghosts than right wing people,
Speaker 1: both of which are not true. Right wing people are
Speaker 1: far more likely to suffer hearing or more likely to
Speaker 1: suffer hearing loss. That makes sense, has to be gunfired
Speaker 1: or just running heavy equipment doing harder. Yeah all yeah, rural.
Speaker 1: And it was like there's like a rural overlap within
Speaker 1: that egg equipment, chainsaws, loud ass motorcycles super Yeah. So
Speaker 1: this guy wrote in and he was exploring the gunfire
Speaker 1: aspect of hearing loss among the right. Uh so this article,
Speaker 1: I can't tell where it came from. Ours Technica. What
Speaker 1: the hell's that? ARS Technica? Dude, these guys are wrong.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? ARS Technical?
Speaker 2: I've seen that before. Is a publication.
Speaker 1: We're in Mexico getting right as is kicked? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Ours Technica, ARS Technical. I haven't heard of this news
Speaker 1: source anyways, that's the new source. The idea that North
Speaker 1: America is home to completely unknown primate species just doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to go away. Lord, it does not. Years I'm reading,
Speaker 1: years after everyone started walking around with high quality cameras
Speaker 1: in their phones, there still haven't been any clear images
Speaker 1: of a bigfoot. But that hasn't stopped a steady flow
Speaker 1: of reported sightings that, as we've explored in the past,
Speaker 1: I like to goof on bigfoot people, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: easy pickings, low hanging fruit. They have come up with
Speaker 1: this explanation that bigfoot resides in a dimension that can't
Speaker 1: a different dimension not subject to film. Now, someone named
Speaker 1: flow Foxen has followed up on an earlier analysis and
Speaker 1: checked for factors that could influence the frequency of bigfoot
Speaker 1: sightings throughout North America. The results suggest that there's a
Speaker 1: strong correlation between sightings and the local black bear population.
Speaker 1: For every one thousand bears, I'm assuming it's this is
Speaker 1: the frequency of bigfoot sightings goes up by about four percent.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming they mean by unit of space. So here's
Speaker 1: some good stuff. The most recent comprehensive peer reviewed data
Speaker 1: on black bear populations dates from two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: so they're using data from that year. Even so, a
Speaker 1: number of states and provinces had to be excluded. Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Nebraska,
Speaker 1: North Dakota, South Dakota had no known black bear populations
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six. There's some other states that
Speaker 1: just didn't have adequate numbers on didn't have adequate numbers
Speaker 1: on black bears, so they went and looked ahead, and
Speaker 1: they found that forested areas where you have a okay,
Speaker 1: it's kind of complicated, a really good job of it. Overall,
Speaker 1: Fox and found that with forested areas and the human
Speaker 1: population taken into account, there's about one bigfoot sighting for
Speaker 1: every five thousand black bears. Each additional one thousand bears
Speaker 1: raises the probability of a sighting by about four percent.
Speaker 1: Then they go on to she's trying to then make
Speaker 1: some sense out of it, and it could be helpful
Speaker 1: for bear con could be helpful for bear conservation. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. You know they try to like this is
Speaker 1: from the Journal of Zoology, you know, only they always
Speaker 1: like like nowadays, if you want to publish anything we've
Speaker 1: talked about this, If you want to publish anything in
Speaker 1: a newspaper about wildlife, you if you link at the
Speaker 1: climate change, it'll be in there, right anything a great
Speaker 1: a polar bear attacks a person climate change.
Speaker 3: I thought that was shot down after we brought that up.
Speaker 3: Then a bunch of people write in say that wasn't it.
Speaker 1: No, that was talking about that was talking about in
Speaker 1: journal entries. But I'm saying that, like, you could take
Speaker 1: any freak wildlife thing, any freak wildlife thing, and you'll
Speaker 1: in the end link it to climate change. So here
Speaker 1: this person is saying. Here, this person is saying this
Speaker 1: is nothing new with climate change. The person is saying
Speaker 1: that this could be great for quote whatever this means
Speaker 1: quote bear conservation, as the frequency of bigfoot sightings may
Speaker 1: provide a proxy measure for the number of black bears
Speaker 1: present and thus could provide an independent method of tracking
Speaker 1: population changes. Or or you just wasted a ton of time.
Speaker 2: More likely.
Speaker 1: They got done and they showed it that they got
Speaker 1: done with their paper, and they showed their friend, and
Speaker 1: their friends said, that's the the stupidest thing I've read
Speaker 1: in years. And then they're like, shit, you're right. This
Speaker 1: could be helpful for bear count. Instead of measuring, Instead
Speaker 1: of having all these stupid biologists out measuring bear populations,
Speaker 1: what we could do instead is will set up a
Speaker 1: Bigfoot hotline, and then we'll take incoming calls to the
Speaker 1: Bigfoot hotline and model them out to find out how
Speaker 1: many bears are on the landscape, and if we see
Speaker 1: a reduction in Bigfoot hotline calls. That wouldn't mean something
Speaker 1: to do with education, drug use, the rise and fall
Speaker 1: of hippie shit. It would be that bear numbers are down.
Speaker 1: So when they set quotas, you'll be like, the bear
Speaker 1: manager will be like, huh, you know what we got.
Speaker 1: Montana's Region three had zero bigfoot sightings this year, no
Speaker 1: tag allocation this year. It seems that the bear are gone.
Speaker 1: The dumbest thing I've ever read. That dumb till the end.
Speaker 3: I have them add in to look at whether there's
Speaker 3: more sightings during a Democratic presidency or Republican presidency.
Speaker 1: That would be good, a good overlay. And the other
Speaker 1: thing is is what about areas that have high black
Speaker 1: bear density in different color phases? Ah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I could mess it up.
Speaker 1: Here's one. We have a guest that we're working on
Speaker 1: getting a guest on to talk about We're getting a
Speaker 1: guest on to talk about the public land costs, the
Speaker 1: costs of public land with industrial scale utility, utility scale
Speaker 1: wind and solar development. The guest we're working on is
Speaker 1: involved in is involved in offshore wind development, not involved
Speaker 1: in it as a stakeholder, but involved in it as
Speaker 1: a person measuring environmental impact and by I think it's
Speaker 1: by is it twenty? I can't remember what the projection
Speaker 1: is since the camemera of the projection. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say it. We don't have great internet where we're
Speaker 1: at in Mexico right now. Tens of thousands of offshore
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of offshore wind units along the east
Speaker 1: of the lawn the Atlantic shoreline by twenty fifty or
Speaker 1: whatever the hell is, six thousand by twenty thirty. Right,
Speaker 1: So a couple things. What does that mean for all
Speaker 1: that increased disturbance around construction? But also what does it
Speaker 1: mean for fish habitat? And a great parallel is you'd
Speaker 1: go and look at what oil development in the golf
Speaker 1: of Mexico wound up doing for the fishery. I mean,
Speaker 1: it creates a fishery right like department. It's sort of
Speaker 1: the the Department of Unforeseen Consequences. Is Uh, there was
Speaker 1: all that disturbance, all that development, no doubt, all kinds
Speaker 1: of you know, probably very negative impact on bivalves and
Speaker 1: all this other stuff, but in certain with certain reef fish,
Speaker 1: it caused us long term explosion in reefish populations. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a guest on to talk about offshore
Speaker 1: wind and what offshore wind looks like and what are
Speaker 1: you getting out of it, short term impacts, long term impacts,
Speaker 1: what fish hate it, what fish will love it, and
Speaker 1: sort of what your future is going to look like
Speaker 1: as we develop offshore wind. But this is a plan.
Speaker 1: This is is widely reported, but we're looking at Montana
Speaker 1: Free Press here about the BLM unveiling a plan for
Speaker 1: utility scale solar developments in Western states on your public lands.
Speaker 1: We're going to dive into that in greater detail later,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about massive amounts of land, Massive amounts
Speaker 1: of land that you currently hunt could potentially be could
Speaker 1: potentially be developed. So if the BLM selects, there's this
Speaker 1: thing different alternatives. One of these alternatives eight million acres
Speaker 1: of So this let's focus on Montana from it. Just
Speaker 1: we're looking at a Montana free Press. But this is
Speaker 1: why it spread across the west. But just an example
Speaker 1: in Montana. Out of eight million acres of BLM managed
Speaker 1: land in Montana, two hundred and ten thousand acres could
Speaker 1: become available for solar developments. Most of that stuff deemed
Speaker 1: suitable for solar development sits north of what's called the
Speaker 1: high Line. So if you if you look at the
Speaker 1: high Line generally, it's like the string of towns North
Speaker 1: Highway too. So Highway to the high Line used to
Speaker 1: be a railroad line, but two runs. So you had
Speaker 1: the what's the one what's the main rail line, the
Speaker 1: high ninety rail like the ninety ninety four rail line,
Speaker 1: what's it called Northern Pacific? The Northern Pacific bisects the
Speaker 1: state east to west. And then you had the high Line,
Speaker 1: which is another rail line in the north, and eventually
Speaker 1: Highway to followed that. So they're saying that of that
Speaker 1: the BLM could develop two hundred and ten thousand acres
Speaker 1: for putting solar developments on that land. There's a bunch
Speaker 1: of land that's out of the question because it's too
Speaker 1: far from high voltage transmission lines. And then the seven
Speaker 1: point three million acres, okay, have been deemed ill suited.
Speaker 1: This is just a one state, mind you, So the
Speaker 1: vast majority seven point three million acres ill suited for
Speaker 1: reasons ecological reasons, historical reasons, cultural and reasons recreational. My
Speaker 1: fear with all this, my fear with all this is uh,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna we're gonna get into this with a
Speaker 1: with a with a specialized guest who again focuses on offshore.
Speaker 1: My fear with all this is that we do this
Speaker 1: wind and solar development and if you go look like
Speaker 1: you ever seen that map, if you're going to power
Speaker 1: Great Britain with current wind and solar technologies, what the
Speaker 1: hell was it? Seventy you have to cover seventy four
Speaker 1: percent of it with wind and solar. I can't remember what.
Speaker 1: I might be a little bit off, but if you're
Speaker 1: gonna do that Great Britain, you'd have to cover I
Speaker 1: think I don't know what the hell is seventy four
Speaker 1: Then of available of non developed lands would need to
Speaker 1: be converted with current technology. My fear is that we
Speaker 1: go through with this kind of stuff, but it's not
Speaker 1: a local problem. It's a global issue. We go through
Speaker 1: with this, and then China, India, right these parts of
Speaker 1: the world also Africa or population is growing right in places,
Speaker 1: it's growing exponentially over time. That we go through with
Speaker 1: this and we trash, we trash our like our remaining
Speaker 1: bits of undeveloped lands globally, we don't see any kind
Speaker 1: of transition. And then down the road you see that
Speaker 1: temperature gradually increases, and we'd be like, well shit, if
Speaker 1: we hadn't done any of that, it made no difference.
Speaker 1: And now as we try to create landscape wide room
Speaker 1: four species two develop and adapt and colonize new areas
Speaker 1: and change their habits in accordance with warmer weather that
Speaker 1: we've trashed those landscapes, and globally this idea never caught
Speaker 1: on and it made it was a drop in the bucket,
Speaker 1: made zero difference. And all we've come out of it
Speaker 1: with is we've developed the areas that we're going to
Speaker 1: need for resiliency no matter what the hell happens in
Speaker 1: the future. Meaning let's say the temperature is going to
Speaker 1: climb two degrees, three degrees, four degrees. Wildlife still needs
Speaker 1: a place to be. And if you're not going to
Speaker 1: prevent it from happening, you you need to hedge your
Speaker 1: bets by having big, intact ecosystems, right like create room
Speaker 1: for wildlife to find a way forward. But if you
Speaker 1: destroy all your wildlife habitat trying to curb a thing
Speaker 1: that you can't curb because one it's more complicated than
Speaker 1: we think it is, or two it would take a
Speaker 1: global effort that that there's not enough will power there
Speaker 1: in the developing world to follow through with that, we
Speaker 1: just screw ourselves and nothing changes. Anyways, I'll hand it over.
Speaker 1: Have you.
Speaker 7: Have you heard Elon talk about what we would need
Speaker 7: for a solar grid to power the entire US, like
Speaker 7: per our current power usage.
Speaker 1: No I haven't.
Speaker 7: He said, one hundred and one square miles, and your
Speaker 7: batteries would have to take up one square mile, so
Speaker 7: like I imagine, and not to put it off onto Mexico Arizona.
Speaker 7: But you find like a ten by ten like, dedicate that,
Speaker 7: and then you just put your hundred square miles the
Speaker 7: solar panels out there, and you're done with this whole mess.
Speaker 1: No more. One hundred square miles would do what would
Speaker 1: power the entire US grid right now as is, and
Speaker 1: you would need batteries that hold a one square mile,
Speaker 1: so literally ten miles. He's smarter at this battery stuff
Speaker 1: for me. I remember him saying, I just looked it
Speaker 1: uple oh, one continuous panel.
Speaker 7: Just yeah, whatever current technology, you put whatever you need
Speaker 7: to on that hundred and one square miles and then
Speaker 7: you feed all these batteries that need their an entire
Speaker 7: square mile and uh bam, you don't have any more
Speaker 7: of these windmills, you don't have any more of this
Speaker 7: offshore stuff. It's like not saying that we need to
Speaker 7: do it to New Mexico, Arizona, but I'm like, man,
Speaker 7: there's a lot.
Speaker 3: Of Steve just said though, is that from what he's reading,
Speaker 3: it's going to take seventy percent of the land mass
Speaker 3: to pull it off, not one hundred Great Britain.
Speaker 7: So I wish I could pull up See that's where
Speaker 7: I think we're so expanded, you know. And and I
Speaker 7: don't know. I ask your expert.
Speaker 1: That Matt pull up that stat You probably get it
Speaker 1: searched up stuff on the internet.
Speaker 2: We take a look.
Speaker 1: I'm one of the best, you know. I don't have
Speaker 1: a good SI. You know.
Speaker 2: My concern is like the idea of putting solar in
Speaker 2: these public spaces is kind of more lubricated than putting
Speaker 2: drilling or oil, like I mean, and it could have
Speaker 2: as bad of an effect on.
Speaker 1: Public by you know, there's good will or people feel
Speaker 1: like they're doing a good thing.
Speaker 2: Sixty Minutes had a couple of weeks ago had a
Speaker 2: feature on it, and it was a good will story
Speaker 2: and it showed standing up looking at a public land
Speaker 2: where this massive solar field would go. And in my mind,
Speaker 2: you know, people are very concerned about, you know, natural
Speaker 2: gas and oil drilling for migration. Why would they not
Speaker 2: be concerned about the same thing.
Speaker 1: Because the odds it puts them, It makes this, it
Speaker 1: puts you at odds with yourself. That's exactly because you're like,
Speaker 1: you're a habitat you believe in habitat conservation, and many
Speaker 1: people who are very concerned about habitat conservation, there's a
Speaker 1: crossover are very concerned about energy. And so you kind
Speaker 1: of go like, okay, buddy, I get it. You're a
Speaker 1: big environmentalist. You think we should be moving away from
Speaker 1: fossil fuels. How about we go over to your little spot,
Speaker 1: your little honey hole and develop that for alternative energy.
Speaker 1: And then you got to be like, yeah, I better
Speaker 1: stay consistent and say that it's okay.
Speaker 2: This story, you know, was meant to create like we
Speaker 2: found an exciting alternative, but it's putting solar fields in
Speaker 2: places that everyone is very concerned about, you know, from
Speaker 2: an energy perspective, you know, disrupting migration corridors, et cetera.
Speaker 2: That kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I would argue that we use eminent domain. In eminent domain,
Speaker 1: large tracts of urban area, uh sees, large tracks of
Speaker 1: currently developed urban area, and sports of stadiums for starters,
Speaker 1: and convert those into places. I'd advocate no more sports stadiums.
Speaker 2: You know what industrial warehouses, that's become a new strateergy.
Speaker 2: There's massive spaces on top of Amazon warehouse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why are we not capping cities and why are
Speaker 1: we talking about doing it on Why are we talking
Speaker 1: about doing it on undeveloped landscapes. There has to be
Speaker 1: a way. And I'll say what I really think we
Speaker 1: ought to be doing what I really like. I'm a
Speaker 1: big at, I'm a big nuclear advocate. People like, it's risky,
Speaker 1: it's all risky. Developing on developing undeveloped lands is risky.
Speaker 1: It's all risky.
Speaker 3: Just remember if you take away all those sports stadiums,
Speaker 3: all those people that love sports and pay attention to
Speaker 3: that and are not hunting and fishing.
Speaker 1: I was just joking about sports. That's why. That's why
Speaker 1: I'm like with ski hills. With ski hills, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm down. You know, I don't like I hate none.
Speaker 1: I hate more than me trying to turn left and
Speaker 1: I can't because everybody's going to the ski hill. Makes
Speaker 1: me want to just kill them all. My my neighbor,
Speaker 1: my good buddy, you know, Pottery Pat. He's on the
Speaker 1: ski hill now. No. No, if I'm trying to turn left
Speaker 1: on a good powder day, I'll call him. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I got real problem, Pat, and only you're on the
Speaker 1: board of the ski hill. I can't go left out
Speaker 1: of my driveway. You need to figure this out. Uh,
Speaker 1: here's another, here's another sticky one. Man. So the king
Speaker 1: salmon is headed toward a This is gonna get litigated,
Speaker 1: like holy hell, the King salmon of the Gulf of
Speaker 1: Alaska is headed for an ESA listings. So the Wildfish
Speaker 1: Conservancy is doubling down on its attempts. This is a
Speaker 1: This is a press release from Salmon State. This is
Speaker 1: a press release from Salmon State out of Alaska. The
Speaker 1: Wildfish Conservancy is doubling down on its attempt to shut
Speaker 1: down fishing in Alaska without consulting with or speaking to
Speaker 1: the people they're sledge hammering. You can tell this comes
Speaker 1: from the perspective of salmon states trying to protect salmon fisheries. Basically,
Speaker 1: in the big fight over, you know, which turns into
Speaker 1: a never ending blame game about who's the blame for salmon.
Speaker 1: They're they're looking now to shut down even there's been
Speaker 1: some shut some shutting down already occur, even of troll fishing,
Speaker 1: troll fishing for sam, which is like a highly selective
Speaker 1: salmon fishing deal, a hook and line fishery. So this organization,
Speaker 1: Salmon State, is trying to not only protect wild salmon,
Speaker 1: protect people whose lives are interconnected with them, and they
Speaker 1: are uh fighting somebody salmon closures. But things just do
Speaker 1: not look It's it's one of those deals, like what
Speaker 1: it's like looking at quail in the southeast trying to
Speaker 1: get other things quail in the southeast, deer on this
Speaker 1: place we're in right now, king salmon, and you're like,
Speaker 1: you're looking like what happened, and it's too you can't
Speaker 1: say what happened. It's too many things to say what happened.
Speaker 1: But just king salmon are just hurting. They're hurting the
Speaker 1: weird of course they're hurting in the Columbia water shed
Speaker 1: where you have all these dams. Okay, so you're looking like, well,
Speaker 1: obviously it's all the dams. But why are king salmon
Speaker 1: numbers down in non damned areas?
Speaker 3: Microplastics?
Speaker 2: Same reason?
Speaker 1: Why gah? But why aren't coho down? And why aren't
Speaker 1: pinks down? It's it's a really complicated it's really complicated.
Speaker 1: You can't there's anything that you bring up. We've had
Speaker 1: someone on who knows this world really well. That's been
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Anything you bring up you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it must be this, like okay, but but then what
Speaker 1: about this? Sure like it must be this? Okay? Why
Speaker 1: are pink numbers good? Why are we seeing great returns
Speaker 1: on other salmon species? Like? What is it with kings?
Speaker 1: It's a different fish they spend you know, they'll spend
Speaker 1: more time in the oceans. A lot of this movement
Speaker 1: now about a lot of this A way that people
Speaker 1: are trying to get these fish that they're trying to
Speaker 1: get fisheries shut down is when you yawn to pull
Speaker 1: on America's heart strings. There's one animal that's definitely gonna
Speaker 1: do the job. That's Willie the orca yep, which I
Speaker 1: still call killer whale.
Speaker 4: What does your brother Danny have anything to say about that?
Speaker 1: It's got lots to say about. It's one of the
Speaker 1: primary things he works on. Yeah, what does he what
Speaker 1: does he think death by a thousand cuts gotchas by
Speaker 1: a thousand cuts? Uh? Warming water definitely does not help.
Speaker 1: Just depletion of fisheries does not help, you know, low
Speaker 1: harring numbers and areas doesn't help. Dams certainly, you know,
Speaker 1: certainly don't help. Even areas outside of dams though, just
Speaker 1: death by a thousand cuts some level of mystery. We
Speaker 1: should have someone back on to talk about it in
Speaker 1: greater detail.
Speaker 2: Are you saying that the orca, you know, if their
Speaker 2: start being affected by let you know, less food source. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know that happened with obviously with whale watching in
Speaker 2: the East with Manhaden. You know, all of a sudden
Speaker 2: that got elevated because the whale watching crowd you know,
Speaker 2: was having a different experience.
Speaker 1: Less people are like, I was fine to watch king
Speaker 1: salmon blink out, but to hear the the orc it
Speaker 1: is hungry. That's just I put. That's where I draw.
Speaker 1: That's where I draw a line in the sand.
Speaker 2: No one cares about small bait fish until the whales
Speaker 2: aren't rolling and you're seeing them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then people are like this is this is
Speaker 1: this cannot this will not stand.
Speaker 2: This will not stand, you know, and so.
Speaker 1: You got to do that. But uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And well we'll have to get someone back on and
Speaker 1: I know people to get back on and talk about salmon.
Speaker 1: But when you look at like the overall population and
Speaker 1: the mortality that comes from the troll fishery, it's just
Speaker 1: such a drop. It's like a symbolic gesture. It's a
Speaker 1: symbolic gesture that you're gonna end the troll fishery in
Speaker 1: Southeast Alaska and the Gulf of Alaska. You're gonna end
Speaker 1: the troll fishery and also be like they're back. But
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's just not gonna It
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be the thing that does. Here's another one
Speaker 1: that really hits me and Yanni right in the nuts.
Speaker 1: You're ready for this, Johnny, I hope so. Uh A
Speaker 1: listing for Wisconsin Sturgeon ah Center for our our old
Speaker 1: friends at the Center for Biological Diversity. This is one
Speaker 1: of those organizations that's like, you know, humane Society people
Speaker 1: think when they think of Humane hs US, when people
Speaker 1: think of the Humane Society United States hs US, they
Speaker 1: think they're helping puppies that don't have a home. They
Speaker 1: don't realize that they're that it's a it's an anti
Speaker 1: hunting animal rights organization, and they confuse Humane Society Local
Speaker 1: Humane Society shelters with hs US activities. Hs US is
Speaker 1: an anti hunting organization that masquerades as like rescue puppies.
Speaker 1: Uh Center for Biological Diversity is in large measure, and
Speaker 1: I mean they're just reflexibly anti hunting and fishing. So
Speaker 1: the Center for Biological Diversity is petitioning to have Lake
Speaker 1: sturgeon federally listed and subsequently removed the right to fish
Speaker 1: and spear lake sturgeon. Now, the problem with this is
Speaker 1: people say that people would go and even sturgeon managers
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin are saying, you're taking a sledgehammer approach to
Speaker 1: something that needs to be more surgical. The Lake Winnebago
Speaker 1: sturgeon population should be used as an example of proper conservation.
Speaker 1: This is coming from a listener named Taylor. Taylor and
Speaker 1: Aaron wrote in the Lake Winnebago sturgeon population should be
Speaker 1: taken as an example of proper conservation. While it is
Speaker 1: understandable that certain sturgeon populations across the nation are low.
Speaker 1: The decision on regulations, hunting season, and protection should be
Speaker 1: left up to state and local entity ties to protect
Speaker 1: state and local resources. The Lake Winnebago sturgeon is thriving.
Speaker 1: This is backed up by countless annual surveys tracking exact
Speaker 1: harvest of individuals, safe harvest caps generated using population models,
Speaker 1: and enormous amounts of research data collection. The Winnebago System
Speaker 1: lake sturgeon population is the most well studied lake sturgeon
Speaker 1: population in the US. It was near extinction in the
Speaker 1: early nineteen hundreds from over harvest at a time when
Speaker 1: conservation was non existent. Through diligent management and legislative action
Speaker 1: that enabled money raised through spearing, license sales, and donations
Speaker 1: to be directed only to sturgeon research and habitat improvement,
Speaker 1: the population grew to what it is today. It is
Speaker 1: spearing and angling that directly resulted in the recovery of
Speaker 1: the Lake Winnebago sturgeon. They go on to say that
Speaker 1: Yanni's even been there.
Speaker 3: Sounds like that whole North American model work.
Speaker 6: It does. Yeah, I've had limited experience with that. I
Speaker 6: follow the you know, you'll see postings of these big
Speaker 6: sturgeon that that guys will take and I think that
Speaker 6: probably generates a lot of you know activity within that
Speaker 6: crowd that Steve was talking about, you know, these sort
Speaker 6: of big dramatic fish dead. But it seems like that's.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, especially when you stake a big old seventh
Speaker 3: spear thrower.
Speaker 6: Yeah. But my impression that it's always been that's a
Speaker 6: very you know, much in agreement with the letter that
Speaker 6: you got there. That's a very tightly managed another there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Another guy wrote in about the same So another uh,
Speaker 1: another individual, Ryan wrote in worked up about the same issue,
Speaker 1: and he lays out the history too, a history that
Speaker 1: goes back to nineteen thirty one. He said Wasjohnson was
Speaker 1: the first state to put protections in for Lake sturgeon.
Speaker 1: And he didn't say this, but I'm saying also in
Speaker 1: plan with limited harvest Okay in Wisconsin also is the
Speaker 1: birthplace of Sturgeon's sturgeon for tomorrow. He goes on to say,
Speaker 1: our state, Wisconsin has led the way to the restoration
Speaker 1: of the sturgeon, not only in our own waters, but
Speaker 1: in other states through sharing of spring spawning egg collections
Speaker 1: and our hatcheries being first to successfully raise sturgeon. Our
Speaker 1: Winnebago system has a dedicated lake sturgeon biologist who oversees
Speaker 1: the estimated population of forty thousand fish and sets the
Speaker 1: highly managed harvest caps for each February's sixteen day season.
Speaker 1: He goes on to say, losing our limited harvest. So
Speaker 1: they have an estimated forty thousand fish they issue for
Speaker 1: this short season about thirteen thousand tags. They don't kill
Speaker 1: nearly that many fish because it's not a quota. He says,
Speaker 1: you know, goes into the obvious effects of you're locking
Speaker 1: out public input. You're locking out public enthusiasm for a resource,
Speaker 1: public enthusiasm about how these angers came together to restore
Speaker 1: this resource, and folks aren't happy. She's another guy wrote
Speaker 1: in Nathan Kaiser, same points, wanting to hear us talk
Speaker 1: about it. I think we just talked about it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like it's in danger.
Speaker 1: In a lot of places it is okay.
Speaker 2: But in that particular instance.
Speaker 1: I think they got a case. I think they got
Speaker 1: like a case of you know, I think they're not
Speaker 1: looking at at it, not giving Wisconsin credit where credits due.
Speaker 1: I'm restoring a fishery in a way that brings a
Speaker 1: lot of good will. Yoanni can speak to it. Anyways,
Speaker 1: Me and Yanni keep applying for these I don't know
Speaker 1: how much money you mean, put it into that pile
Speaker 1: of money. We've sweetened that pot up over the years.
Speaker 6: You guys wanted to go sit in one of the shacks.
Speaker 1: And well, we want to go to the Upper Lake.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that applications cost that much money.
Speaker 3: So we might be in for one hundred bucks.
Speaker 1: We want to fish the Upper Lake and we're collecting
Speaker 1: bonus points.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got another three four years to.
Speaker 6: Point upper Lake a more desirable place.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Fish.
Speaker 1: When you draw the Upper Lake, you're going to be
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 3: If we shouldn't even be talking about it.
Speaker 1: I know because now, well that's why I got to
Speaker 1: real ax to grind here, because you know, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's you know, when I think
Speaker 1: I could tell you, guys, when when I was in
Speaker 1: eighth grade, I took Civics class eighth or ninth grade
Speaker 1: with a guy named Al Deong.
Speaker 3: You didn't tell me that.
Speaker 1: I've never told you the story. The teacher is Al Young,
Speaker 1: and he taught Civics and he taught it from the
Speaker 1: angle of he would talk about one. He would say like,
Speaker 1: I would never take you kids down to register to vote,
Speaker 1: any kids, because why would I dilute my vote? He
Speaker 1: would say, I don't want you people to vote because
Speaker 1: I don't get people wanting other people to vote. I
Speaker 1: wish I was the only voter. And he would also
Speaker 1: say I like that. Well he was he was playing.
Speaker 1: I think he was looking back, I think he's being
Speaker 1: a little bit of a devil's advocate. But his slogan
Speaker 1: was remember when he's trying to explain government, he'd be
Speaker 1: like remember, and he'd put his thumbs toward himself. He goes, remember,
Speaker 1: I am concerned only with what effects al de Young.
Speaker 1: And he would play like the singer. Everybody hated him,
Speaker 1: but like, looking back at it, I think he was
Speaker 1: like demonstrating a point as a teacher. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: concerned only with what effects al the Young and this
Speaker 1: is this, this this Wisconsin deal. Just to lay it
Speaker 1: all out there, I want I don't want people to
Speaker 1: I want people to know my biases. I have been
Speaker 1: steadfastly trying to draw a sturgeon permit Wisconsin so years ago,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna I'll move on from the subject. But
Speaker 1: years ago I wrote an op ed in the New
Speaker 1: York Times saying it's time to delist the grizzly Okay,
Speaker 1: and I laid all the reasons that for twenty years
Speaker 1: when they originally put protections in place for grizzly bears,
Speaker 1: they came up with everybody sat at the table. They said,
Speaker 1: what does recovery look like? I wrote this op ed
Speaker 1: six seven, eight years ago. I don't know at that
Speaker 1: point in time, those recovery objectives had been met for
Speaker 1: twenty years, so there had been twenty years of recovery,
Speaker 1: still no movement on delisting. They Wisconsin or at that
Speaker 1: time Wyoming was spending more on each grizzly bear in
Speaker 1: Wyoming than Idaho spends on kids in public school. Right,
Speaker 1: like just it was time to delist the bear, which
Speaker 1: never got you listed. And in the when I wrote
Speaker 1: the op ed, they had turned up that I had hunted,
Speaker 1: that I had held grizzly bear tags for British Columbia, Alaska.
Speaker 1: So like you have to admit in your op ed
Speaker 1: that you have a vested interest because you have hunted
Speaker 1: for grizzly bears. They made me like point that out.
Speaker 1: So I'm here pointing out and I was trying to
Speaker 1: hide it just didn't seem germane to the subject. So
Speaker 1: I had to say, like, as a guy who you
Speaker 1: know has in the past hunted grizzies, I think the
Speaker 1: should delist grizzlies. Which the problem is then people read
Speaker 1: your op ed and all they want to do is
Speaker 1: write you mean letters because you hunted grizzlies. They wanted
Speaker 1: to say this for Steve, but I'm only without effects
Speaker 1: Steve so in pointing out that me and Yanni are
Speaker 1: deeply invested in our sturgeon tags, but I would feel
Speaker 1: the same way. But I would feel the same way.
Speaker 1: I should also point out that my kid caught a
Speaker 1: king salmon last year. Janni's not being a good podcast
Speaker 1: guest because he's very anxious to get back out hunting.
Speaker 1: You want to explain what's going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, according to my clock here, we have about sixteen
Speaker 3: minutes until this thing needs go hit the cues deer.
Speaker 1: We're getting last day. Yeah, Dedicated podcast listeners will know
Speaker 1: that every year we do a podcast, we do an
Speaker 1: episode from Mexico. It's a tradition and we come down
Speaker 1: and talk about what a great time. We had all
Speaker 1: the bucks, we shot, all the bucks, we saw how
Speaker 1: awesome it is. It's like traveling back in time. Today's
Speaker 1: the good old days. It's like someday people look back
Speaker 1: on Sonora KU's deer hunting in the twenty twenties and
Speaker 1: they'll talk about it like it'll be like mule deer
Speaker 1: hunting Utah nineteen six.
Speaker 6: It'll never be good again.
Speaker 1: Ye, it'll be what you look back on, right, it'll be.
Speaker 1: It'll be Eagle County, Colorado in the seventies. I don't
Speaker 1: know right today, but not anymore. It's over and it
Speaker 1: was a good run. Twenty twenty three was the last
Speaker 1: good year. It's over. I don't know what happened. It's over.
Speaker 1: We have been pouring the coals to it. When we
Speaker 1: come down, we're in Sonara. We're further south than we've
Speaker 1: ever been before. I believe. We come down and the
Speaker 1: mantra is a buck a day and we gang hunt.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of people and the goal is
Speaker 1: every day we find a shooter bucking get it. And
Speaker 1: if you do a buck a day, that's the formula
Speaker 1: for success. Day one. Paul Bam Buckaday, I'm scheduled. It's
Speaker 1: sitting right there today. We need to kill four.
Speaker 2: In afternoon, and it is.
Speaker 1: Raining.
Speaker 3: It's not right now, but there's another cell that's probably
Speaker 3: an hour two out.
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's raining right now. It hasn't stopped right
Speaker 4: since we hit record.
Speaker 3: Is it raining out there?
Speaker 1: Gear Han Dirt can't hear you because he's digging the
Speaker 1: ear wax out of his ears to fix his lips.
Speaker 1: He's got a finger in each ear. You got dig
Speaker 1: deeper and deeper. You know, when your chapstick runs out
Speaker 1: and you gotta dig your fingernail down in there to
Speaker 1: like get the remnant that sits around that little prong
Speaker 1: in there. That's like digging into your ear the same motion.
Speaker 1: Just because you do it, you're pinky nail.
Speaker 6: He's gonna have to start working with tools for.
Speaker 3: I'm quite doing the ear digging ever since Grace Sturnament
Speaker 3: was on the podcast told us how bad it is
Speaker 3: to jam anything in there. I just let the ear
Speaker 3: wax go.
Speaker 1: See you run around the big old thing and Q
Speaker 1: tips What you been doing with those? I didn't know
Speaker 1: it was the worst thing you could possibly do at it.
Speaker 1: It's right up there with uh seed oils and low T.
Speaker 3: Three big changes from.
Speaker 1: He didn't know his low T.
Speaker 2: Definitely, I've learned a lot of things this truck.
Speaker 1: He didn't know some changes, making some change. He didn't
Speaker 1: know he was low TI. He didn't know that furries
Speaker 1: are taking over public schools, and people didn't.
Speaker 2: Know litter boxes in the in the classroom, and.
Speaker 1: He didn't know that you're not supposed to be digging
Speaker 1: around in your ear.
Speaker 2: I'm going back with an agenda making some changes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do a quick wrap up on the Mexico hunt.
Speaker 1: I've been talking a bunch about it.
Speaker 3: It's been a tough week, tough conditions. I think our
Speaker 3: our buddy Jay wants nothing more than to see us
Speaker 3: be successful. We can agree on that.
Speaker 1: Right correct. Jay has always treated us exceptionally.
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred percent sure, and I'm sorry for all
Speaker 3: of other clients, but I'm one hundred percent sure that
Speaker 3: we get a teeny tiny little bit of preference.
Speaker 1: Well, because we've been We've been in it from the
Speaker 1: get go.
Speaker 6: I know, Yeah, we've been clients.
Speaker 3: You're right, You're right, a guy, we're ten we're ten
Speaker 3: years in. I'm just saying we get a little bit
Speaker 3: of preference.
Speaker 1: We used to work for the guy.
Speaker 3: I'm just setting it up.
Speaker 1: I feel jumping to the end and I'm trying to
Speaker 1: expat I.
Speaker 3: Feel like we're in we're at a prime cous deer
Speaker 3: hunting ranch. They guided here for a few years before
Speaker 3: they went to letting DI. I Y guys come here
Speaker 3: and I think we're like the third or fourth DIY
Speaker 3: group here. And uh, yeah, we've caught a terrible week
Speaker 3: where it sounds like the rut is not happening anywhere
Speaker 3: in Sonora this week. Uh, the weather has been terrible
Speaker 3: for cous deer hunting.
Speaker 6: Were hate tremendous winds. You know, at times the optics
Speaker 6: are shaken so bad on a tripod.
Speaker 3: Looking back on it, I think day one was beautiful.
Speaker 3: It was really the only full perfect day that.
Speaker 1: We had big drought, right, Yeah, all the local drought
Speaker 1: stricken landscape that broke today. The drought ended today.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting that we're hunting like in a
Speaker 2: valley that has a massive food source at the bottom,
Speaker 2: which is different.
Speaker 1: Than we've done. I've never been around any kind of.
Speaker 2: That you know, creates it, you know, with that with
Speaker 2: the drought, we.
Speaker 3: Had a place once they had those wheat fields in
Speaker 3: the bottom.
Speaker 1: But they weren't irrigated, were they They might have done
Speaker 1: some flood irrigation.
Speaker 3: Now yeah, yeahn had.
Speaker 1: A great point about why the rut. It's obvious that
Speaker 1: if you're having rot activities just gonna be better. But
Speaker 1: here here's a very particular thing that makes it better,
Speaker 1: would be the they're so hard to find even when
Speaker 1: you know, like let's say you know too deer are
Speaker 1: you're looking at a hillside, you're looking at the mountain side,
Speaker 1: and you know there's two deer on the mountain.
Speaker 3: Side because you saw them.
Speaker 1: You saw them, so you're looking at them, you see them.
Speaker 1: Most of the time, you don't, you can't see them right, right,
Speaker 1: Like if you watch two feeding deer four an hour,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you never figured out, but I would
Speaker 1: say like on average, for forty minutes of that hour,
Speaker 1: you can't. You don't. You can't see them. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: more in the whatever. If they're in the brush, right,
Speaker 1: they just they vanish. They're the gray ghost. And then
Speaker 1: sometimes you see them and even where you find one,
Speaker 1: and then you lose it. And never we had to happen.
Speaker 1: Yesterday I watched the deer go up onto an open
Speaker 1: hillside and took my eyes off it to look at
Speaker 1: a buck that I saw below. It went back to
Speaker 1: it could never locate it. So in that little bit
Speaker 1: of time it has it did something betted down went
Speaker 1: out of my view. I don't know they vanished the
Speaker 1: saving graces. You're able to detect movement. And if you
Speaker 1: watch a group of two or three dos or four
Speaker 1: or five does whatever, and they got a buck or two,
Speaker 1: that buck's chasing them. The buckets closed to him, the
Speaker 1: does run, the buckets closed to him, the does run,
Speaker 1: the bucks closed through the dose run. So when you're
Speaker 1: glass in the hillside, there's something to like, there's something
Speaker 1: happening to make a movement, and the movement is what
Speaker 1: you see. Then you find a dough. You're like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: a dough and you watch and you realize not just that,
Speaker 1: oh I just saw an ear move up behind it.
Speaker 1: I just saw this happen. Little things you would never
Speaker 1: known if you hadn't gotten a focal point of activity.
Speaker 1: Case of points yesterday, we knew about dirt spotted two dos,
Speaker 1: a doe betted, he spotted a dough feeding, and a
Speaker 1: dough betted next to it. A dog got up and
Speaker 1: fed laid down. That dough vanished for an hour, and
Speaker 1: we knew right where it laid down. You would never
Speaker 1: have known ed there. The other deer got up, shuffled,
Speaker 1: and laid back down in the same spot. When it
Speaker 1: laid back in the same spot, you couldn't find it. Eventually,
Speaker 1: those deer get up, and I even say to dirt,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna our old. This is our only thing.
Speaker 1: I'm going to follow that deer that lead dough with
Speaker 1: my binoculars. And following that lead dough with my binoculars,
Speaker 1: I see a mountain lion come and set up out
Speaker 1: ahead of it to try to kill it. When that
Speaker 1: mountain lion finally jumps, it jumps and there was a
Speaker 1: deer I never knew about. A four key buck came
Speaker 1: squirting out of this bush that we never knew about
Speaker 1: until it came out because a mountain lion tried to
Speaker 1: grab it. That's like how much you miss or see
Speaker 1: it's hard.
Speaker 2: Last year we found Phelps's buck when a smaller buck
Speaker 2: was chasing does and then a bigger buck stepped out
Speaker 2: and you know, fought him, ran them off and took
Speaker 2: the doze. I mean, you never would have known the
Speaker 2: bigger buck was there unless the rod activity was fifteen
Speaker 2: hundred yards away, you know, up on the side of
Speaker 2: the mountain. We had no idea. The profile of all those.
Speaker 1: Deers lured him out, and it brought.
Speaker 2: Out even multiple other bucks that are attracted to that activity.
Speaker 2: And what was nice is it that activity going on
Speaker 2: allowed phelps to be able to sneak up there. They
Speaker 2: were busy, Yeah, you could make plays.
Speaker 1: And in the absence of that, they're all just laid
Speaker 1: under a tree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see zero.
Speaker 7: I mean last night, this morning, we've seen what between
Speaker 7: our group twenty five dos last night, twenty plus does
Speaker 7: today not a horn in the group. So it's like man,
Speaker 7: at some point, mature doe.
Speaker 2: Everywhere have to see them.
Speaker 1: They're just pushed back up in there somewhere. I told
Speaker 1: Krin this morning, I said, we're not gonna make a show.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna record a show today, or that's not
Speaker 1: how I put it. I said, what happens if we
Speaker 1: don't make a show today? And she said, you'll be fine,
Speaker 1: just focus on hunting, and then it started ransom bad.
Speaker 1: We can't make the show. So you people should be
Speaker 1: pretty happy with yourselves having this show comes that great
Speaker 1: tremendous sacrifice.
Speaker 3: It was cool seeing that, though I don't there's not
Speaker 3: I've only glassed that. That was probably the closest line
Speaker 3: I've ever glassed up. I think it was around one
Speaker 3: thy twelve hundred yards. To me, what was cool is
Speaker 3: when I first saw it is that I was just
Speaker 3: glass I just moved and I could see kind of
Speaker 3: lower towards the river than I had earlier. So I'm
Speaker 3: looking at this specific zone and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: it walks into my field of view, and I'm paying
Speaker 3: it along with it, and all of a sudden it stops,
Speaker 3: and literally ten yards above it, maybe fifteen, there's a
Speaker 3: coups deer standing there that I had not seen up
Speaker 3: to that point. So again it took me, like focusing
Speaker 3: on something else, to all of a sudden see this
Speaker 3: deer standing there. They're unaware of each other. The lion's
Speaker 3: looking like across the hill, the doe is looking straight
Speaker 3: up the hill, but she somehow senses the presence before
Speaker 3: the lion senses the deer's presence. She turns around, looks
Speaker 3: at it and goes, oh shit. And then takes bounding off,
Speaker 3: and what was funny is I don't know if it
Speaker 3: was like an optical illusion of being so far away
Speaker 3: or what, but there was like this delay where you'd
Speaker 3: think as soon as she made two bounds, the cat
Speaker 3: would be like, oh, I heard something right there, I
Speaker 3: should go after it. But instead she gets fifty sixty
Speaker 3: yards away, and then the cat's all of a sudden
Speaker 3: like oh what was that and starts going uphill kind
Speaker 3: of in that direction. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you believe me when I tell you that that
Speaker 1: there was two?
Speaker 3: Sure? Why not?
Speaker 1: I don't know? You saw it?
Speaker 3: You know what you saw.
Speaker 1: There's just no way that the one could have gotten around.
Speaker 1: Do you back me up on this? Really?
Speaker 3: You just saw it?
Speaker 1: What are you eating?
Speaker 4: Where was the bobcat?
Speaker 1: It's getting wet wilder huh, big old bobcat. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: the mountaines is a lot of fun, and seeing him
Speaker 1: trying to strike a deer's a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: Yeah. You sure don't get to do that every day.
Speaker 6: I think twenty years of guiding, I maybe saw five
Speaker 6: lions that were not treed with dogs just incidental to hunting.
Speaker 6: I hadn't experienced one time very similar to you guys.
Speaker 6: I saw a couple of cow elk in a meadow
Speaker 6: and I could all of a sudden sense they were
Speaker 6: very alert looking below. And I was archery bull hunting
Speaker 6: at the time for elk, and of course, then as
Speaker 6: soon as I saw the cows were focused on something below,
Speaker 6: I thought, well, there's a good chance maybe there's a
Speaker 6: bull coming. And just moments later, a big tom lion
Speaker 6: came sprinting straight up hill across his meadow after him,
Speaker 6: but they were already onto him, and they were uphill,
Speaker 6: so the minute he cleared the brush, they were gone
Speaker 6: and they beat him out. And then I got to
Speaker 6: watch his line just great. I had a spotting scope
Speaker 6: on him, just beautiful. And he jumped up and he
Speaker 6: got on a flat spot and he was sitting there
Speaker 6: and his ears were down and his tails just flicking,
Speaker 6: and you could tell he was a mad cat. You know,
Speaker 6: the dinner was gone and he wasn't going to catch him.
Speaker 6: But the bad part of that, I had a little
Speaker 6: solo tent and I was about two hundred yards camp
Speaker 6: below o'er that time I was, And then I had
Speaker 6: to go back and think, now there's a hungry lion
Speaker 6: wandering around here and I've got to go sleep at
Speaker 6: night down there, but I never saw him again.
Speaker 1: It was interesting to watch this one work. That dough
Speaker 1: is uh. And now once that little fork he came out,
Speaker 1: maybe my interpretation what was going on, but he was
Speaker 1: a bobber and she was angling up the hill and
Speaker 1: he moved and got in the line of travel and
Speaker 1: laid down. And when he was moving, he's like very obvious,
Speaker 1: you know, just this orange blur going across, and he stopped.
Speaker 3: Orange.
Speaker 1: Those cats did look real orange.
Speaker 3: And you noticed like the black feet too, walking on.
Speaker 3: Those black feet were very noticeable, looked huge feet, looked huge.
Speaker 1: All right, we gotta get back out there.
Speaker 3: The last push I was wishing I had mingus with me.
Speaker 1: Oh you'd had a hot track, buddy, you'd had nowhere
Speaker 1: to trea it.
Speaker 3: We would have ended up in uh eight up situation.
Speaker 1: Unless it lest it that thing new to head towards
Speaker 1: the sycamores.
Speaker 3: Well sycamores were you know what even that oak that
Speaker 3: we were huddled under that uh, they could have gotten there.
Speaker 3: They could have gotten in that and gotten high enough
Speaker 3: away that the dog couldn't get to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thanks for joining everybody, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: back out and try one last little try. What's the
Speaker 1: forecast the rain? I thought it was supposed to get better.
Speaker 1: I thought it was supposed to get it. Is it
Speaker 1: actually raining right now?
Speaker 3: It's one hundred it's one hundred percent. But now it's
Speaker 3: saying at least that the accumulation is only like point one.
Speaker 1: Well, the other thing is the ceiling. The ceiling lifted.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it lightened up.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be on their feet right now.
Speaker 3: Felt Up said it's time to go.
Speaker 1: Felt Before we go, they'll give us quick update phelps
Speaker 1: game calls. What to look forward to? How's my moves
Speaker 1: tube coming? It's it's working. We like it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we Uh, we had to make a little change.
Speaker 7: We were trying to do it like handmade. That just
Speaker 7: wasn't gonna be. We could make one day and it's
Speaker 7: just not not scalable.
Speaker 1: So I don't want that. I don't want that job.
Speaker 1: We did some glass filled nylon. We're gonna make some
Speaker 1: changes of that.
Speaker 7: And then we got some new updates to the deer
Speaker 7: call lines coming and uh, yeah, I'm I'm.
Speaker 1: You're not too you're not too like worked up about
Speaker 1: the moose call it's pretty it's like, well, just not
Speaker 1: a lot of not a lot of customers.
Speaker 7: It is My good buddy Matt, who's better business than me,
Speaker 7: would say like not a lot of profit and and
Speaker 7: a lot of not a lot of you're down on
Speaker 7: moose calls.
Speaker 1: No, just just the scalability.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: I told him you got to pick something where you're
Speaker 2: gonna sell a lot of them. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 2: business may make you want for Steve doesn't pay.
Speaker 1: The bills, so I didn't buy it either.
Speaker 7: If we're making some changes there, I got some deer calls.
Speaker 7: I'm really excited for twenty five, which is we're planning
Speaker 7: you know, years and years out. Twenty four will be
Speaker 7: cool though, but like twenty five is like a lot
Speaker 7: of new stuff coming which is long ways out but excellent.
Speaker 1: We're working on It's uh, I want Phelps. Turkey's gonna
Speaker 1: do me a pot call where on the on the
Speaker 1: the the artwork is a turkey giving you the finger
Speaker 1: with a turkey hand. It's called the Bird the artwork.
Speaker 2: Claim that copy right right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because it's not like it's hard to run
Speaker 3: it in a laser engraver.
Speaker 1: No, but you gotta be you gotta. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: hard to come up with an idea like a turkey
Speaker 1: giving you the finger. Actually not, because it's a quite
Speaker 1: common bit of my daughter has when we do them
Speaker 1: like that. If you want to do it, you take
Speaker 1: your take your turkey. Next time you kill a turkey
Speaker 1: or your kids kills a turkey, take a rubber band
Speaker 1: and bend it's two fingers down so it's middle fingers
Speaker 1: sticking out rubber band, the two fingers down as dry is.
Speaker 1: Just make sure you straighten that middle finger up a
Speaker 1: little bit and cock its wrist. So from you listeners
Speaker 1: that you people watch on YouTube, here's his arm. You
Speaker 1: cock them up. You go like this, put a rubber
Speaker 1: band here and just dunk it in a uh in
Speaker 1: some borax for a few days or not, depends on
Speaker 1: patient you are. And then eventually you get yourself a
Speaker 1: little wooden circle, a little plaque, and you drill a
Speaker 1: hole in it, and you run a screw up through
Speaker 1: the bottom into the leg and you set it on
Speaker 1: your desk, and it's a turkey giving you the finger.
Speaker 3: Are you hanging out when you sit on your desk?
Speaker 3: Is the bird then going straight up in the air?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta look down on it for the full effect.
Speaker 2: My mother, though, my mother in law sent all my
Speaker 2: kids the finger emoji, you know, at Thanksgivings and Happy Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: but she couldn't tell that it was a finger. She
Speaker 2: thought it was a turkey. My kids are like, you know,
Speaker 2: grandma's gears are slipping a little bit, happy things giving.
Speaker 3: Maybe she's eat eater listener. She knows about the Michigan.
Speaker 1: Hello, rock home from That means what's up? All right,
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody, We're gonna go. We're gonna go out on time.
Speaker 8: Read in mouth, say in town, don't get in in
Speaker 8: a hurry, since you ain't around.
Speaker 9: The creek's high as it's ever been. You're a blue quail.
Speaker 8: Look calm, warn all is friends that the shots are stopping.
Speaker 9: Is ground.
Speaker 8: Read in most to town, searching the guard in flight.
Speaker 8: Absence of love makes it hard to find. Got a
Speaker 8: big ye it all through today, the freshing of ice
Speaker 8: fans more bean seen say an imaginary Badmas side, searching
Speaker 8: the garden for life. Your affection for me like a flash.
Speaker 9: In the pans.
Speaker 8: It only as long as our flame, darling. We all
Speaker 8: know how that's sorry ends.
Speaker 9: So all right, my blues go away our till the
Speaker 9: end of the day.
Speaker 8: Spend all night. A picking gets are.
Speaker 9: Fresh.
Speaker 8: Smell of leather makes me thank you. Ain't for but
Speaker 8: your mind set on things much too Faine.
Speaker 9: Been a comfortbar like me.
Speaker 8: Underside, I can't wishes on every star. Spend all day.
Speaker 8: The picking gets are your affection for me, Like a
Speaker 8: flesh year, the pan lasted only as long as.
Speaker 2: Our flame.
Speaker 9: In Orleans.
Speaker 8: Oh no, that story end alright, silly end day, all right,
Speaker 8: silly endday.