Speaker 1: So randomly writer, But both you and I right now
Speaker 1: are on call for jury.
Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah, gosh.
Speaker 3: Have you ever have either of you ever been picked?
Speaker 3: Have you ever been like part of a jury?
Speaker 2: Oh story, Yeah, it was wonderful.
Speaker 1: It's a great experience. It was hard, but it was great.
Speaker 4: Picks me. It's like the ninth time.
Speaker 3: I've been on jury duty. Like, but been on call
Speaker 3: and nobody ever picks me.
Speaker 1: It's super fun.
Speaker 5: And in my jury selection, there was a woman who
Speaker 5: would just like, I hate cops because they were like,
Speaker 5: you know, they had there was a component of the
Speaker 5: case involved, you know, listening to the cops.
Speaker 1: I trust the cops, and she was like, no, I can't.
Speaker 5: And the judge kept he was like, but come on,
Speaker 5: you've you've had how many bad experiences have you She's like,
Speaker 5: I don't care, I can't be a I hate cops.
Speaker 5: And it was just like Okay. After a while, it's
Speaker 5: like she could just went out, yeah, just get out
Speaker 5: of here.
Speaker 2: It just lead.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had So the only time I came close, I
Speaker 1: flew back.
Speaker 3: This was when I was still trying to keep my
Speaker 3: Connecticut citizenship status, so I would fly back for jury
Speaker 3: duty from California to keep one.
Speaker 1: Of vid because you thought you were going to move back.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I thought I was going to move back.
Speaker 3: I was also just from Connecticut. I had my Connecticut
Speaker 3: driver's license.
Speaker 1: Everything.
Speaker 3: It was just fighting, you know, fighting against living in California,
Speaker 3: which I've been were for thirty seven years.
Speaker 5: When you flew back, you had to hold on to
Speaker 5: two eagles to get there, exactly, but the most.
Speaker 1: Powerful eagles in the country, so.
Speaker 3: Bald eagles just and it was just saying America an eagle.
Speaker 1: But no.
Speaker 3: I I got to the Vader section and the guy
Speaker 3: next to me was shaking, literally shaking, and he just
Speaker 3: his legs were shaking.
Speaker 1: He just did not want to be there.
Speaker 3: So we had a case where it was like they
Speaker 3: weren't allowed to write down the victim's name, or they
Speaker 3: weren't allowed to say it out loud, so they wrote
Speaker 3: it down on a piece of paper.
Speaker 1: It got to the guy. He opened it. I could
Speaker 1: tell it didn't even look at him. Yeah I know.
Speaker 1: Or the judgment what he goes, yeah.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: Or good friends with their family and the judge is like, uh, okay,
Speaker 3: you're dismissed, like thanks, and he was like he made
Speaker 3: a shape in the door like Wiley coyote getting out
Speaker 3: of the thing.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, I know, and.
Speaker 5: That was why people want to get out. So, I mean,
Speaker 5: I guess just time and stuff, but like.
Speaker 2: Expensive if you if you have a job that you're
Speaker 2: going to now have to even though they legally have
Speaker 2: to let you out, you don't get paid for your
Speaker 2: job and they get you like what fifty bucks a day.
Speaker 1: If I just find it.
Speaker 5: I just found it so educational and it made me
Speaker 5: feel good about the justice system. You know, I'm sure
Speaker 5: there are situations where it doesn't make you feel good
Speaker 5: about the justice system, but in my case, it made
Speaker 5: it made me feel like, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 5: I just like only like over a week, so maybe
Speaker 5: seven days total, that's long.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it was a rape case, which is hard,
Speaker 5: but it was really Yeah. I still am friends with
Speaker 5: somebody I met on ur we're on Jurady together when
Speaker 5: we started running lunch.
Speaker 1: Of course, she's one of the bo Bleys.
Speaker 5: I saw her when we were in North Carolina doing
Speaker 5: you guys probably met her Aaron.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was of course perfectly in keeping with writer. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, the the the whole thing is just I'm I'm
Speaker 3: on pins and needlescause I got a call every night
Speaker 3: to see if I have to, you know, get to
Speaker 3: the jury room.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I personally think there should be
Speaker 1: professional jurors. No, I think it should be a job. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Why not take a bunch of usually people that are
Speaker 1: retired that when they will get it daid off because
Speaker 1: they're paid to do it.
Speaker 3: That's like what why because you get the same salary
Speaker 3: and you actually learn a bit about the about the
Speaker 3: legal system, and that's.
Speaker 1: Your office to be a jur No, but that's your job.
Speaker 5: No, because the point is to respond without expertise, to
Speaker 5: respond from just a citizenship level, you know, to not
Speaker 5: be necessary.
Speaker 3: An expert has to break down scientific you know, facts
Speaker 3: and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: You have a little bit of of knowledge in this situation,
Speaker 1: you can.
Speaker 5: But I think no, the whole point is that you're
Speaker 5: supposed to be, like if you're on trial, you know,
Speaker 5: you want people who aren't experts so that the lawyers
Speaker 5: have to present the you know evidence.
Speaker 3: I would argue though, that the person who's like, uh,
Speaker 3: not doing great in their life right now and is
Speaker 3: a plumber and called in the jury duty would be
Speaker 3: easier to bribe than the person who's the professional juror
Speaker 3: who's making a decent salary to be a.
Speaker 5: Jur you'd think so, but I feel like politics proves otherwise, right.
Speaker 2: I remember from when I was on a jury multiple
Speaker 2: times it being like somebody saying something like yeah, but
Speaker 2: I don't believe that, I feel like, and somebody else
Speaker 2: being like, you know, you're not allowed to go off vibes, man,
Speaker 2: like we you know, it really has to be about
Speaker 2: what was presented. And I did find that it was
Speaker 2: kind of hard for me to take out my feelings
Speaker 2: from the situation to be like, well, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: and then things that they were like, well that was
Speaker 2: that was stricken from the testimony, was like but I
Speaker 2: heard it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't think of a white elephant, don't think of ahant.
Speaker 2: I'm actually not allowed to take that into consideration.
Speaker 1: Am I sure?
Speaker 2: I'm not taking that into considering. Like you're a great
Speaker 2: double question. You questioned yourself a lot, thankfully in my
Speaker 2: In my situation, it was like, was this an insurance
Speaker 2: fraud situation based on a based on an accident that
Speaker 2: had happened and this person had was trying to get
Speaker 2: a lifetime's worth of I think PT based on an
Speaker 2: accident that had happened, but they had also been in
Speaker 2: several other accidents and had been in PT at other times,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, for other aspects of their life. And
Speaker 2: so the company was trying to say you needed PT,
Speaker 2: and now you're saying we should be this insurance and it's company,
Speaker 2: this person who hit you should be responsible for PT
Speaker 2: for the rest of your life based on but you.
Speaker 2: So it was kind of stuff like that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it is, it's it's. I agree writer that the
Speaker 2: educational aspect of it was was fascinating, and I went
Speaker 2: into it thinking I'm gonna hate this, and then it.
Speaker 3: Didn't didn't need it kind of it's I mean, I
Speaker 3: would have to miss some podcasts and I'd have to
Speaker 3: miss some stuff, but it wouldn't be the worst thing
Speaker 3: in the world.
Speaker 2: No, you would enjoy it.
Speaker 3: I think being raised by two lawyers. I still I
Speaker 3: think I saw my dad in court once. I've never
Speaker 3: been really in courtrooms or done it, so I think
Speaker 3: it'd be fun. By the way, I don't know why
Speaker 3: I said plumbers not making any money. They make so
Speaker 3: much fortune to make a fortune plumber's four.
Speaker 2: Hundred dollars an hour. Yeah, yeah, that's that's an exaggeration.
Speaker 3: But it's a lot plumber, a lot of money, Yeah,
Speaker 3: make a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Also worth it. Can't can't do the plumbing. Not gonna,
Speaker 2: not gonna open that up.
Speaker 1: I honestly think it was so funny.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about that the other day, like, if
Speaker 3: I went back to school, it would be a trade school,
Speaker 3: and I think I would learn plumbing. I think that's
Speaker 3: really yeah, I do. I think it's you're your own
Speaker 3: boss people. Yeah, I have it all day now, I
Speaker 3: might as well have the education behind it. For exactly.
Speaker 3: I'd call it drop a pencil plumbing. See if you
Speaker 3: could get it right in the.
Speaker 1: Crack or yeah, it'd be great, it could be good.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Podmet's world.
Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Fishl, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilford.
Speaker 2: When Corey and Topega found themselves in a less than
Speaker 2: ideal college living situation, you know, in the Mary dorms
Speaker 2: that every college offers, they did have at least one
Speaker 2: thing going for them. A good actress living next door.
Speaker 2: She played Kelly, the young mom neighbor having issues with
Speaker 2: her colicky baby visiting the newlyweds for some change of scenery.
Speaker 2: She stood out during our rewatch, mostly because we've become
Speaker 2: so used to some par performances from ourselves, and she
Speaker 2: was just great, subtle, emotional, connected, not checked out. Wonder
Speaker 2: what that felt like, And then when we started researching
Speaker 2: her in real life, we realized her on screen talent
Speaker 2: isn't even the most interesting thing about her. Best known
Speaker 2: as Audrey Griswold in nineteen ninety seven's Vegas Vacation, she
Speaker 2: was one of the rotating actresses to play the part,
Speaker 2: with her version traveling to the City of Sin with
Speaker 2: her father Clark and finding trouble on the strip with
Speaker 2: one Nick Papa Georgio. Or more recently, you saw her
Speaker 2: on Riverdale, where she played Hermione Lodge, Veronica's very cool
Speaker 2: but also criminally villainous mom, and in movies like Scream two,
Speaker 2: Can't Hardly Wait and spiral from the Saw franchise, and
Speaker 2: TV shows galore like Charmed, Beverly Hills, nine O two
Speaker 2: to zero, Friends, teen Wolf, and twenty four. The list
Speaker 2: just goes on and on. But outside of the industry,
Speaker 2: she has somehow worked with former FBI and CIS, Navy
Speaker 2: seals and local cops to help trap child sex predators
Speaker 2: in sting operations, acting as bait, playing many roles to
Speaker 2: help bust criminals, both here in the US and globally.
Speaker 2: She's even started her own nonprofit organization to spread awareness
Speaker 2: of the epidemic and prevent more children from becoming victims,
Speaker 2: especially in our now very online existence. But even with
Speaker 2: a calling much more important than some nineties TGIF sitcom.
Speaker 2: She appeared in two episodes of We Have Convinced Her
Speaker 2: to come on to talk to us today about her
Speaker 2: time on the set of Boy Meets World and so
Speaker 2: much more so. Welcome to Pod Meets World. Our neighbor
Speaker 2: who's getting very little sleep actress and activist Marisol Nichols.
Speaker 4: Hello, okay, iles an hour. Oh because I got a
Speaker 4: new puppy. Last name?
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, who is that?
Speaker 4: It's not so happy about it? Oh really, Gingerbread, Gingerbread.
Speaker 2: Well, you know that Gingerbread is very tired now because
Speaker 2: she was up all night.
Speaker 4: All right, yeah, Oh my god, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 4: can I can that little puppy on.
Speaker 2: I could smell the puppy breath from here. I just
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 4: Was like baby powder.
Speaker 2: It's kind of amazing, so cute, and those super sharp
Speaker 2: little needle teeth the puppies have are No one's.
Speaker 5: Going to comment that this is like life imitating art
Speaker 5: because the part you played on Boy Meets World was
Speaker 5: literally I know, I know.
Speaker 4: I rewatched it. I was like, oh, that's funny and ironic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is. Yes, Hello, thank you so much
Speaker 2: for being here. We are so happy to get to
Speaker 2: talk to you. We recently watched your episodes of Boy
Speaker 2: Meets World and we immediately thought, oh, look a real
Speaker 2: actor working with us.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's so kind.
Speaker 2: You were so so great and so grounded and and
Speaker 2: we we have talked a lot about in season seven
Speaker 2: for quite a bit of it, we are very checked
Speaker 2: out and we can see it in ourselves, and so
Speaker 2: to see you so grounded and present was really a
Speaker 2: bright spot fresh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well look coming on too that I would have
Speaker 4: never even be watching it. I was like, you don't
Speaker 4: checked out at all. I was like, why this show
Speaker 4: was was such a success.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, we know that you grew up in Chicago, far
Speaker 2: away from the bright lights of Hollywood. Were you always
Speaker 2: an outgoing kid? A child actor type.
Speaker 4: No, not in the least I was. I was really shy.
Speaker 4: I was really perted for the longest time. And then
Speaker 4: and then I became like big chip on her shoulder
Speaker 4: kind of girl who blew off most of high school
Speaker 4: blew up blockers. I was like a complete problem.
Speaker 1: What you were? Hunter? Were shot? Huntered?
Speaker 2: Really character?
Speaker 1: Character?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He blew.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, I blew up by accident a whole row
Speaker 4: of freshman lockers.
Speaker 1: How do you How does one do that by accident?
Speaker 4: So, if you remember, in the eighties, they had these
Speaker 4: clickers which were like curling irons. They didn't have to
Speaker 4: plug in battery everything in the eighties, so in between
Speaker 4: classes you could take your clicker and curl your hair
Speaker 4: really high. And so I was blowing off class as
Speaker 4: usual during lunch hour and kind of opening up freshman lockers,
Speaker 4: and I saw this one that didn't have a lock
Speaker 4: on it. I saw this girl's locker with a one
Speaker 4: of these buttine curling irons, and so I don't know
Speaker 4: what I was thinking why, but I took a piece
Speaker 4: of paper and I wrapped it around it, and I
Speaker 4: lit it on fire, and I ran downstairs for the
Speaker 4: lunch room and waited for the big fire alarm, and
Speaker 4: then when the fire alarm went off and everyone got
Speaker 4: out of class, I was like, you're welcome, You're welcome,
Speaker 4: thinking that it was just a fire alarm. So then
Speaker 4: we were out there for like forty five minutes, and
Speaker 4: then the bomb squad showed up and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is bigger than I thought. And they thought a
Speaker 4: bomb went off because the entire because it was like
Speaker 4: a bomb, and the entire freshman like that row of
Speaker 4: freshman lockers blew up amazing, cop oled, Oh.
Speaker 1: Did you cop to it? Did you say it was me?
Speaker 2: It was too late.
Speaker 4: I already told everyone it was me, like an idiot?
Speaker 1: Did you get kicked out of school?
Speaker 4: I got kicked out for ten days, which was actually
Speaker 4: fine with me because I didn't want to go to
Speaker 4: school anyway, So I kind of didn't understand the punishment, right,
Speaker 4: like right, But that's kind of who I was.
Speaker 1: So wow, man, I just.
Speaker 4: Moved to LA when I shot your Guy's show. I
Speaker 4: think maybe they're like less than a year.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I was not an actor.
Speaker 2: In like ninety eight, ninety eight or ninety nine, is.
Speaker 4: That when we shot it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean okay. No, I moved the end of ninety five.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. And when you came to La did you
Speaker 2: already have an agent? When did you decide you were
Speaker 2: going to be an actor?
Speaker 4: It's really weird, but there was a scout that was
Speaker 4: coming through, Julie Hutchinson. I wonder if she's still around
Speaker 4: from universe. She was coming through Chicago and putting all
Speaker 4: like the Chicago actors on tape, and instead of me
Speaker 4: doing like a monologue, which you would normally do as
Speaker 4: a Chicago actor, she's like, you know, you're kind of
Speaker 4: right for this show that we're trying to cast. Why
Speaker 4: don't you read for that?
Speaker 2: What was the show?
Speaker 4: It was called My Guys. It was at Sunset Gower,
Speaker 4: So it was Paul Thomas Witt if you remember. Sure
Speaker 4: they did Golden Girls, they did, you know, And they
Speaker 4: ended up like a couple months later flying me out
Speaker 4: and testing me, which I didn't even know what that meant,
Speaker 4: and I ended up getting the job, and so I
Speaker 4: came out with a show. Wow, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Record, a criminal record.
Speaker 2: So I did a little math. And it seems as
Speaker 2: though you booked Vegas vacation real fast after moving to
Speaker 2: La yeah pretty fast. Like, so you were doing the show.
Speaker 2: My guys, do you remember the audition for Vegas Vacation.
Speaker 4: Auditions because I auctioned for three months, oh three months
Speaker 4: of auditioning, and every time I was like, They're never
Speaker 4: going to cast me, like because to me, you know,
Speaker 4: Audrey Griswold was like the all American girl, you know,
Speaker 4: my Marisol, and I was like this little Latina kid
Speaker 4: from Chicago, Like it's never going to happen. And so
Speaker 4: they just kept bringing me in and bringing me in,
Speaker 4: and I think the last one was like, Okay, we're
Speaker 4: flying you to Vegas to read for it, and I said, okay.
Speaker 2: We need to see you in Vegas.
Speaker 1: You know Ice Scream tested for that, did you. Yeah?
Speaker 5: I read with Chevy like I went back like four
Speaker 5: or five times too, and then I went I read
Speaker 5: with Chevy Chase and Brittany Murphy was there audition.
Speaker 4: I think Murphy was originally Cat was.
Speaker 5: Okay, That's what I thought in my mind, Brittany had
Speaker 5: the part. When I we walked out and like the
Speaker 5: rest of that day was like, oh Brittany got this part. Yes,
Speaker 5: And then I never saw the movie or anything. I
Speaker 5: guess I was just you know, like I didn't get it.
Speaker 4: I did the exact same thing. I don't know, Oh
Speaker 4: you didn't hire me, fine, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brittany.
Speaker 4: They offered it to Brittany work, and I guess she
Speaker 4: turned it down, and so then they flew me out
Speaker 4: last minute to Vegas and we're like, okay, well let's
Speaker 4: do her again, and then I ended up doing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah wow, But that was that was the first time
Speaker 4: I've ever even been on a movie set, so I
Speaker 4: didn't know. I didn't know anything. I didn't know what
Speaker 4: a mark was like, I didn't. I didn't know anything
Speaker 4: that's brand new.
Speaker 2: And you hadn't like doing the show doing my guys,
Speaker 2: you didn't learn any of that stuff, Like you didn't
Speaker 2: you didn't have I did, but.
Speaker 4: We only did like six episodes, OK, so I was
Speaker 4: still like brand new. And I came from theater, so
Speaker 4: that was sort of like theater because it was a
Speaker 4: live audience, you know. Yeah, and so I was like, well,
Speaker 4: I'm just going to do that thing like the theater thing.
Speaker 4: So this was sort of you know, there's a lot longer,
Speaker 4: you know, all day on one scene, it was a
Speaker 4: very yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: What was shooting in like, yeah Vegas, real Vegas casinos, Like.
Speaker 4: I was okay. So we were doing split shifts, which
Speaker 4: was like I was dead, you know, like I was
Speaker 4: starting work sometimes at two in the afternoon and getting
Speaker 4: home at like four in the afternoon or four in
Speaker 4: the morning and walking through a casino.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So if you imagine after working fourteen hours and then
Speaker 4: I actually have actually have a funny Vegas story, but
Speaker 4: it's gonna paint me in a very bad light. So
Speaker 4: just know the worst.
Speaker 1: School.
Speaker 4: I didn't go for it. But again, I was a
Speaker 4: very different person back then totally. So I had to
Speaker 4: get up. I think it was I was getting up
Speaker 4: at four in the morning per pickup, you know, you
Speaker 4: know what it is. And they and we were staying
Speaker 4: all on the top of Canna, like the whole crew,
Speaker 4: almost everyone was staying in the Tropic caanist in piece exactly,
Speaker 4: and the room next to me at like midnight, I
Speaker 4: was having a giant party and it was loud, and
Speaker 4: I was like, I have to get up in four hours,
Speaker 4: and so I called downstairs and I was like, Hey,
Speaker 4: I'm here with the movie. Is there any way you
Speaker 4: could just move me for the night. Just so I
Speaker 4: can sleep because there's a party next door, and like,
Speaker 4: we'll get back to you. Instead, they sent security over
Speaker 4: there to tell them to keep it down. So the guy,
Speaker 4: you know, so I hear through the walls at you.
Speaker 4: It's Vegas. It's in hindsight, I understand. But I had
Speaker 4: to get up for work. Yeah, And so I didn't
Speaker 4: sleep at all. And at four in the morning, when
Speaker 4: I was about to walk out the door, they were quiet,
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, and like every evil my
Speaker 4: turn exactly. And so I had my big, like ghetto
Speaker 4: blaster that I had brought from home because I was
Speaker 4: there for three months, and I put like Metallica and
Speaker 4: like whoever else I had on CD and moved the
Speaker 4: speaker against the door. Oh up, and pressed clay and
Speaker 4: walked out.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's great, love it.
Speaker 1: He has to say.
Speaker 4: Production moved me too. I moved to a condo after that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, they really should have thought about
Speaker 2: the idea that Gus needs to stay somewhere where they
Speaker 2: can get good rest, not in a casino there.
Speaker 3: Now, there's obviously been story after story that has come
Speaker 3: out lately about Chevy Chase and what it's like to
Speaker 3: work with him.
Speaker 1: Did you have a good experience shooting the film? That's great?
Speaker 4: He was fantastic. He like I remember I invited him
Speaker 4: out to pool and he came. I was like really
Speaker 4: and he came and he played pool with like with me,
Speaker 4: and and he was great. He was fine. I think
Speaker 4: he was so at the time, like Howard Stern was
Speaker 4: attacking him, like everyone was kind of like on and
Speaker 4: I don't know if that humbled him, but he was nice.
Speaker 4: He was super nice. He took me. He was great.
Speaker 1: He was glad to hear that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was great. Was he good with you when
Speaker 4: we tested with him?
Speaker 1: No? No, it's horrible. Was he really smoking a cigar
Speaker 1: while we were in the room? Like you know?
Speaker 5: And like I forget, I just have such negative feelings,
Speaker 5: like it was not good. Like I just remember feeling
Speaker 5: challenged by him. I'm not sure what he said or
Speaker 5: what he did, but it was not like a, hey,
Speaker 5: let's be funny together, let's have fun.
Speaker 1: It was like showmo, you got kid? Is that all
Speaker 1: you got?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Is that vibe? And I just remember walking out being like, straight,
Speaker 1: I don't want this job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so sorry. That totally stuns. I'm glad, it's
Speaker 4: fine with me. God, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Another one of your very early jobs must have been
Speaker 2: a little intimidating. You were on Beverly Hills nine O
Speaker 2: two one oh. It was like the hottest show at
Speaker 2: the time, a position you would find yourself in a
Speaker 2: few years later. Also on Friends, What is your secret
Speaker 2: to feeling comfortable and avoiding imposter syndrome in these high
Speaker 2: pressure situations?
Speaker 4: Good? I think the whole time, I'm like, I guess,
Speaker 4: I think it's still gonna go away, like it's not
Speaker 4: really happening, like like like like the thing, like they're
Speaker 4: never gonna hire me, why would you have me? Like
Speaker 4: that whole And then I get there and and Friends
Speaker 4: was a bit of a like oh god, and I'm
Speaker 4: like supposed to pretend kiss Joey, which was like whoa,
Speaker 4: and like and I'm just trying to play cool, like
Speaker 4: you know, you're just trying to not make a jerk
Speaker 4: out of yourself, and like right, just gonna blend in,
Speaker 4: blend in, and I don't know what I'm doing here,
Speaker 4: and that kind of that kind of thing. But fortunately,
Speaker 4: like with those, like I've been on sets where they
Speaker 4: weren't so nice. These guys were super nice before nice.
Speaker 4: Like when you've got like a well oiled machine and
Speaker 4: then you've got new guys coming into that, that's really hard.
Speaker 4: I've been on the other side of it where guest
Speaker 4: stars would come in and we're a well oiled machine
Speaker 4: and for them it's kind of it's overwhelming. And it
Speaker 4: makes such a difference when everyone's nice and you guys
Speaker 4: were super nice. The friends cast were super nice. Nino too,
Speaker 4: when no guys are super nice. So it made it
Speaker 4: very very It made it comfortable. I was very lucky
Speaker 4: like that. You know, not all sets are like that. Yes,
Speaker 4: you know?
Speaker 2: Okay, well good. Now before we get into Boy Meets World,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make you pick between two movies here, which
Speaker 2: one was more fun to shoot? Scream two or can't
Speaker 2: hardly wait? And why.
Speaker 4: Scream two? Yeah, because I got to hear the voice
Speaker 4: like that was And so when I got to answer
Speaker 4: the phone and I heard like, hello Sydney, I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: like because I was such a fan, and I was
Speaker 4: such a fan of scary movies at the time, so
Speaker 4: I think Scream too, because it was just legend, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. We can't hardly. Wait was like
Speaker 4: everyone in town is in this freaking movie, and I'm
Speaker 4: a little like I hope I do a good job,
Speaker 4: and like it was a little like okay, but Scream
Speaker 4: two was amazing and we're shooting nights and Sarah and
Speaker 4: Michelle Geller couldn't have been nicer. Like it was like, okay, good,
Speaker 4: this is good because you never know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, you could go either way.
Speaker 4: Go either way exactly, So I'd say Scream too. And
Speaker 4: Wes Craven was iconic, you know, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Jumping into Boy Meets World, you play Corey and Tapega's neighbor,
Speaker 2: a young mom named Kelly living in the married dorm.
Speaker 2: Do you remember your audition at all?
Speaker 4: I think I don't. Okay, I think what happened if
Speaker 4: I'm not mistaken, and maybe you guys know this, I'm
Speaker 4: ninety percent sure you had. There was an actress that
Speaker 4: was hired before me. Oh, they they got Oh they
Speaker 4: replaced somebody, and I replaced somebody. Oh. I was really nervous. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so that's what happened. And I was more nervous because
Speaker 4: I didn't audition. Are they going to like what I'm
Speaker 4: doing with this?
Speaker 2: Like, is this, okay, So how did who did you
Speaker 2: know that?
Speaker 1: Were you?
Speaker 2: Someone was like, let's get Marisol in here.
Speaker 4: I think maybe it was because I had done nine
Speaker 4: O two one? Oh, I had done Vega.
Speaker 2: But do you think it was casting or do you
Speaker 2: was it Michael? Okay? Casting?
Speaker 4: None of you? Because I didn't know anybody?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: Did you?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Were you? Were you there for the table read or
Speaker 1: did you come in?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder we must have read with somebody else,
Speaker 3: and god, I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't do a table reading.
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, we must have been there with somebody else.
Speaker 4: And then your director was what's your director's name? He
Speaker 4: was super nice.
Speaker 2: Well we had the week the who did was it
Speaker 2: McCracken's Jeff McCracken.
Speaker 1: Very tall guy, tall, good looking dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was really welcoming, like he was real. Okay, probably,
Speaker 4: but it was I remember there was a lot going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was going on.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You probably then also would have hopped right into
Speaker 2: It would have been a Monday, so you would have
Speaker 2: had a producers run through on like your first day
Speaker 2: of work.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, okay, I'm curious, what do you mean by
Speaker 3: there was a lot going on.
Speaker 4: Well I can't remember, Like I remember the producers weren't
Speaker 4: very happy.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, and I didn't know why.
Speaker 4: I didn't know why, and so there were someone was
Speaker 4: very angry.
Speaker 1: Remember, I feel like we felt this when we were watching.
Speaker 5: This is the episode where we were like something was
Speaker 5: going on.
Speaker 4: It was very and I and I it was. That
Speaker 4: was also like my first experience of seeing.
Speaker 1: That this is after the honeymoon, right, this is post honeymoon.
Speaker 1: You guys came the honeymoon. It would have been following that.
Speaker 4: And yeah, somebody was. They were just they were very
Speaker 4: forceful in their notes.
Speaker 1: We'll put it to that.
Speaker 4: Every day like everyone was sitting down and it was
Speaker 4: like time for a meeting or something. Yeah, no, that's
Speaker 4: just every Yeah, and it was very I was like, wow, okay, okay, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah that no, that was okay. So nothing was going on.
Speaker 3: That was just everything.
Speaker 2: It was just a normal one day.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so interesting. Did you know of the show
Speaker 2: before you ended up on our set?
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure. Yeah. It was fun. I mean for me,
Speaker 4: I was still this like new kid from Chicago and
Speaker 4: like there's there's something really not like there's something really
Speaker 4: I think magical about being still green and not going
Speaker 4: up in the business and like, okay, like there was
Speaker 4: a there was a freedom. I think that I had
Speaker 4: that kind of changes a little as you go through
Speaker 4: the business, you know what I mean, you learn the
Speaker 4: ropes and you understand how things go. But there was
Speaker 4: more of I think there was more of like an
Speaker 4: innocence and a freedom to create that that comes with
Speaker 4: being brand new.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the baby a little?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because I wasn't.
Speaker 4: I wasn't. Was it a real baby? It was a
Speaker 4: real baby.
Speaker 2: I think there was a real baby in the second episode.
Speaker 1: I think it was right.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's at least one shot of the real baby.
Speaker 4: I remember that. Yeah. And I wasn't like my daughter
Speaker 4: is the first time I've ever changed the diaper in
Speaker 4: my life. Oh no, I didn't never babysat. I just wasn't.
Speaker 4: And so I remember like, oh, okay, are you sure
Speaker 4: all right?
Speaker 2: You trust me with this baby?
Speaker 4: Like okay, okay, yeah, And I love how like caught
Speaker 4: like calmly, I handle over to you. Okay you could
Speaker 4: you watch my baby?
Speaker 1: So that was the thing.
Speaker 3: We were always amazed by your character that like you
Speaker 3: never knocked. You just kind of walked in with a baby, like, hey,
Speaker 3: here's a baby.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find your second episode. I can't find.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look at the second follow.
Speaker 2: It would have been right after it, just the one
Speaker 2: right after it. So Jerry Levine.
Speaker 4: Says, Jerry Levine, So there you go, Jerry.
Speaker 1: So it was Jerry. Okay, okay, Jerry.
Speaker 2: So Jerry would have as the director been very warm
Speaker 2: and welcoming and as an actor, so yes.
Speaker 4: Yes, he was an actor. I remember a record he
Speaker 4: was in Team Wolf.
Speaker 1: He was Styles from Team Wolf, Styles and Teen Wolf.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing, Okay.
Speaker 3: And he was one of he was that producer, one
Speaker 3: of that producer's best friends. They grew up together. Oh wow, okay,
Speaker 3: so yeah, my one of Michael Jacob's best friends ever.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, during our rewatch, we found ourselves wishing that you
Speaker 2: had stuck around as Corey and Topanga's neighbor, like a
Speaker 2: glimpse into another side of early adult decisions. Do you
Speaker 2: remember if it was always supposed to only be two
Speaker 2: episodes for you?
Speaker 4: I think it was like possibly recurring, because I think
Speaker 4: it depended on where you were and I could see that. Like,
Speaker 4: when rewatching the alisodes, I'm like, oh, yeah, I could
Speaker 4: have seen that.
Speaker 2: Yes, it would have actually been great to see your
Speaker 2: your experience have more of an impact on Corey and
Speaker 2: Topanga in their future. Do you remember watching the episode
Speaker 2: when it aired?
Speaker 4: Did you watch I didn't watch that then. Yeah. I
Speaker 4: didn't watch myself. Now I do, but I didn't back
Speaker 4: then because I was like, it's just weird, and I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 1: Even Vegas vacation. Did you go to the premiere or
Speaker 1: do any of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: We didn't have a premiere, And I remember there was
Speaker 4: a billboard.
Speaker 1: On Okay, that's cool.
Speaker 4: Oh I got a billboard that was amazing. And then
Speaker 4: I did. I didn't end up watching it in the
Speaker 4: I did end up watching it in the theater. I
Speaker 4: did because I was like, this is kind of cool
Speaker 4: and kind of weird and and I'd never seen my
Speaker 4: face that big, so it's you know, and why did
Speaker 4: I let them? Why did I wear my hair like that?
Speaker 4: And like things like that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: So yeah, so funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, you were in so much great TV and movies.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been recognized for Boy Meets World?
Speaker 1: Yes? Really?
Speaker 4: Eat yes, because people. You guys had huge fans, so
Speaker 4: one and it'll be like really, like I expect like
Speaker 4: twenty four to come off, but boy needs all. I'm like, that's.
Speaker 1: Right, I was on that show that.
Speaker 4: Well, it's just because you guys had what hundreds of
Speaker 4: episodes I'm assuming for one hundred episodes at.
Speaker 2: Least one hundred and fifty eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a lot.
Speaker 2: So I want you to know you and will have
Speaker 2: have something in common a love for fantasy and sci
Speaker 2: fi books.
Speaker 1: Oh really, are you a fantasy fan?
Speaker 2: Do you want to trade suggestions?
Speaker 4: Have you seen Project tail Mary yet?
Speaker 1: No? I hear It's amazing. It's so good. I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I'm supposed to go on Thursday. So
Speaker 1: wasn't it from the same guy who did The Martian? Yes? Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean The Martian was phenomenal.
Speaker 4: Have you read the book? No, you have to read
Speaker 4: the book.
Speaker 1: Have you read the book writer?
Speaker 4: No? I just went and saw it, and I was
Speaker 4: book I've ever read in my life, like every Place
Speaker 4: enders game, like it is incredible, and so my biggest
Speaker 4: thing was, like, how is the story going to go
Speaker 4: compared to the movie, compared to the book, and they
Speaker 4: did read the book. They did a great job. The
Speaker 4: book is even more.
Speaker 1: Are you more fantasy or are you more sci fi?
Speaker 2: Both?
Speaker 3: Okay, that's that's that's that can be rare in the
Speaker 3: community to.
Speaker 4: Great.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm mostly fantasy. This is all my this
Speaker 3: is my fantasy collection right behind me. So this is
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I'm a giant fantasy nerd.
Speaker 4: Oh that's amazing. Okay, Oh that's great. Yeah, I love
Speaker 4: but but but you have to read the book.
Speaker 1: Okay, I hear.
Speaker 3: I heard the movies just unbelievable, and apparently you have
Speaker 3: to see it in imax.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, you just have to.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I started out an Imax crying. But it's incredible.
Speaker 1: It's okay, I can't wait now.
Speaker 2: It feels like Riverdale has some similar qualities to Boy
Speaker 2: Meets World with its cult connection to die hard fans.
Speaker 2: Was it fun for you to work with and help
Speaker 2: guide a new generation of actors on that show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the guiding only happened first season until we
Speaker 4: went big and then we got this. But it was
Speaker 4: really funny, especially I got to reunite with Luke Perry
Speaker 4: again and that was that was really really cool, and
Speaker 4: he remembered me, which was amazing.
Speaker 2: What was he like to work with?
Speaker 4: He was great. He was such a pro and so
Speaker 4: great and has such great stories, like just amazing stories
Speaker 4: and very generous as an actor, like very much like
Speaker 4: a two way hollow. We've seen as great as we
Speaker 4: can make it.
Speaker 3: So he's one of those guys you never hear a
Speaker 3: bad thing about ever. Not a single person I've ever
Speaker 3: talked to has worked with him, met him anything ever
Speaker 3: said a bad thing about that man.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 4: He was just amazing. And we had like a little
Speaker 4: contest of me and Cammy versus Luke and kJ of
Speaker 4: who bonded more. Were like, well we hung out or
Speaker 4: Cammy came over and Luke was like, yeah, me and
Speaker 4: kJ went camping.
Speaker 1: Were you an Archie fan going into the show at all?
Speaker 4: A little bit, yeah, a little bit. Yeah, So I
Speaker 4: knew who I didn't know who Hermione he was, so
Speaker 4: I was like, who's Fromione? And then when I saw
Speaker 4: the character, I was like, I can't play her? And
Speaker 4: then they changed the whole thing around. It was pretty awesome,
Speaker 4: but a little bit of a fan, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: That was my that was my jam growing up when
Speaker 3: I was a little kid. Oh really, Archie comics all
Speaker 3: over the place.
Speaker 4: Amazing. Okay, so yeah we were very different, yes, very much,
Speaker 4: so very very different.
Speaker 2: Well, we have to get into your work as an
Speaker 2: undercover decoy in sex trafficking sting operations. We read that
Speaker 2: in our research originally, and we assumed you're the only
Speaker 2: I assume you're the only Boy Meets World guest star
Speaker 2: who has done this. Unfortunately we can't ask Phyllis Diller,
Speaker 2: but how did you get into this?
Speaker 4: I fell in. I fell into it. I had a
Speaker 4: woman who was briefing me on the most horrific things
Speaker 4: that you could possibly ever hear right after I had
Speaker 4: my baby, and just to be totally blunt, I was
Speaker 4: completely overwhelmed and horrified and couldn't sleep, and you know,
Speaker 4: she would show me videos like it was. It was rough,
Speaker 4: and I was like, well, I either am going to
Speaker 4: go crazy like just not being able, or I can
Speaker 4: do something about it and see if this will help
Speaker 4: me sleep and be a better mom and figure this out,
Speaker 4: rather than like, you know, go you know, completely terrified,
Speaker 4: and so I just like, well, okay, let me just
Speaker 4: learn as much as I can to figure out if
Speaker 4: there's something I can do about it. And so then
Speaker 4: I just started diving in and diving in and meeting
Speaker 4: with everybody and anybody who would meet with me so
Speaker 4: I could basically learn and figure out what I could do.
Speaker 4: And then when I did all that, my decision was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is no one knows about this. Back then. This
Speaker 4: is twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, no one knows.
Speaker 4: So I was like, Okay, the only people that know
Speaker 4: about this are all the bad guys. So if I
Speaker 4: can make enough noise and the good people know about it,
Speaker 4: maybe we're all together figure out what to do about it.
Speaker 4: And so at at the same time, you know, I
Speaker 4: was going to like some Hollywood charity that some magazine
Speaker 4: was sponsoring, and Associated Press were there, and they give
Speaker 4: you that little cheat sheet when you're walking the red carpet.
Speaker 4: So when Access Hollywood goes, why are you here? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm here because you know so and so and I
Speaker 4: care about water and I care about this. When you
Speaker 4: really just memorize the cheat sheet. So I was doing
Speaker 4: that and I was like, well, what if I did
Speaker 4: the same thing for trafficking and I gave the cheat
Speaker 4: sheet to like co stars, and I invited access Hollywood
Speaker 4: and so I literally put it together and kind of
Speaker 4: did that. Yeah, and then I neither a keynote speaker
Speaker 4: or my second year of putting together this event, and
Speaker 4: this guy came along that was XCIA and former Homeland
Speaker 4: Security that just did undercover operations for his entire career.
Speaker 4: And we hit it off because I was like, where
Speaker 4: have you been. I've been looking for who gets the kids?
Speaker 4: Like it's one thing to like learn all about it,
Speaker 4: it's one thing to rehabilitate, it's one thing to educate
Speaker 4: who gets the kids? That was all I cared about.
Speaker 4: And so we just hit it off. And one day
Speaker 4: he said, you want to come with me on an
Speaker 4: op and I'm like sure to walk? He said yeah,
Speaker 4: and I'm like okay, So with me and his sister
Speaker 4: and a couple other people and we went to Haiti
Speaker 4: and it was like whoa. And then on the way
Speaker 4: back he was like, you actually I could use a female.
Speaker 4: We're about to go get some intel from this guy.
Speaker 4: Why don't you like come along and maybe you could
Speaker 4: you want to do that? And I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: what do you want me to do? And he's like okay,
Speaker 4: so you're in. You're the female who travels with us,
Speaker 4: who puts together these parties. And here's a baseball cap
Speaker 4: with the undercover like a little recording thing, and you're
Speaker 4: gonna put this pin on so we can record audio.
Speaker 4: And we got the camera there, and we're just gonna
Speaker 4: talk and get information because we didn't know where the
Speaker 4: guy's going next, so we can follow him.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 4: Are you ready? Let's go?
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, in fear for your safety. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is this is a world of not that one,
Speaker 3: but come back.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like as.
Speaker 4: God because it worked because I could pull it off
Speaker 4: and and you know, I'm an actress and so I
Speaker 4: didn't look like like they look like cops so big,
Speaker 4: you know, raw exe military you could tell, you know,
Speaker 4: and I don't look like one.
Speaker 3: And so I'm not trying to make a joke, but
Speaker 3: I mean you're one, but not just that, but you're
Speaker 3: also you're one person who's seen Vegas vacation away from
Speaker 3: getting ratted out, right, I mean what I mean you
Speaker 3: could have.
Speaker 4: Been all got bigger. I had to wear different disguises
Speaker 4: and I had to like use accents and like contact
Speaker 4: lenses and like change everything because my biggest protection was
Speaker 4: going to be them not recognizing me. Right when you
Speaker 4: go to these horrific situations and these third world countries
Speaker 4: or your meeting pedophiles, they don't watch Riverdale, right, so
Speaker 4: it's not they're not exactly the audience for it. I
Speaker 4: was more worried about the other Americans that were customers.
Speaker 4: I was more recognizing me than the trafficker. But to
Speaker 4: answer your question, yes, terrified, like second guessing it the
Speaker 4: entire time. I one time I wrote a note to
Speaker 4: my daughter just in case I didn't come back. Oh,
Speaker 4: it was, it was. It was, you know, it was rough.
Speaker 4: It was. It was as raw as it gets as.
Speaker 1: Right, How long did you do this for?
Speaker 4: Off and on for a decade? I mean my last
Speaker 4: one was a year and a half ago. I got
Speaker 4: deputized as a sheriff with the sheriff in Michigan. But
Speaker 4: that stuff's easy because then you've got cops there and
Speaker 4: they're all, they're all, you know, they've got weapons on them.
Speaker 4: And it's not that that's not as scary to me
Speaker 4: as when we're in third world countries and it's yeah,
Speaker 4: for all, that's a food all.
Speaker 1: How does it compare to like acting.
Speaker 5: I mean, is it the same muscle, is it the
Speaker 5: same process or does it feel different or is there
Speaker 5: a different skill set?
Speaker 4: I'm a way better actor when I'm acting. For my life,
Speaker 4: my entire like existence rests on ends vincing them that
Speaker 4: I am who I say I am, and and this
Speaker 4: character that I am being I am I am committing to.
Speaker 4: There's no cut. You know, you're one hundred percent committed
Speaker 4: to this character. And I have to make sure that
Speaker 4: they I am who I am and my accent is
Speaker 4: fucking perfect and they buy it.
Speaker 1: How much?
Speaker 3: How much did the kind of bad you said you
Speaker 3: were growing up, the different person that you were kind
Speaker 3: of play into what you were doing?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 4: It kind of it's funny because it kind of came
Speaker 4: full circle because to me, the girls that I was
Speaker 4: trying to help rescue and help like I would have
Speaker 4: like had that been now, like I was misrun away,
Speaker 4: I'm to run away, I'm doing drugs, I'm doing like
Speaker 4: I was such a rebellious little girl that now, if
Speaker 4: that had been now, I would have been taken. I
Speaker 4: would have been fallen into that trap or a heartbeat,
Speaker 4: thinking that you know everything, you're just naive and you
Speaker 4: don't know anything. You don't know it, and you think
Speaker 4: you know your home is the worst place that you
Speaker 4: could be, and so you're willing to be anywhere else,
Speaker 4: and then anywhere else turns out to be very very real.
Speaker 2: Right right, and you're like, oh, my life at home
Speaker 2: was actually easy. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I felt an obligation. I felt an obligation to
Speaker 4: do whatever I could to help possibly either get them
Speaker 4: out of that situation or put one of those guys
Speaker 4: that would do this to another one behind bars so
Speaker 4: that another girl this didn't happen to. I felt obligated
Speaker 4: to be totally blunt. I felt obligated.
Speaker 3: God, did you ever think there was a time that
Speaker 3: it's like nope, covers blown, whatever, I'm screwed here really.
Speaker 4: Terrifying. Oh god. I remember like going to my partner
Speaker 4: and I'm like literally under my breath, like pretending to
Speaker 4: take a drink because they're giving us drinks and trying
Speaker 4: to get me drunk, and like and I'm like, I
Speaker 4: can't do this, I can't do this, and he's like,
Speaker 4: yes you can, Yes you can.
Speaker 2: Terrified, like yeah, wait, they're trying to get you drunk?
Speaker 2: Why so that you'll.
Speaker 4: Because that's what these people do. I mean, these people drink, right,
Speaker 4: this is a world where they're they're partying, they're drugs,
Speaker 4: they're high, they're they're doing the most debaucherous things. And
Speaker 4: I'm supposed to be that person, right, You're supposed to
Speaker 4: have to figure out how to take a drink and
Speaker 4: spit it out without them seeing with cameras around, like
Speaker 4: I had to do the whole shebang.
Speaker 3: What do you do if they're like, I'm sorry, this
Speaker 3: is so fascinating to me. What do you do if
Speaker 3: they like offer you drugs like they want. I've seen
Speaker 3: movies where they're like, I want, you need to do
Speaker 3: drugs in front of me.
Speaker 4: How I was going to do? Oh man, act my
Speaker 4: way through it, yeah, act my way through it. Figure
Speaker 4: it out? No, no, no, I want I want to
Speaker 4: be aware so I can watch everything. I like it
Speaker 4: better this way. I don't know, right, figure it out
Speaker 4: as you I mean you literally just figure it out
Speaker 4: as you as you go. There's no there's a script,
Speaker 4: there's no nothing. There's an objective. So crazy to objective?
Speaker 4: This is those guys. What are the exits, what are
Speaker 4: the entrances, what are the ages of the girls, what
Speaker 4: are the things so we can get all that information
Speaker 4: over to the guys that are then going to come
Speaker 4: in as a second team and take them all down.
Speaker 4: But it's it's.
Speaker 3: I don't know why when Danielle is telling us about
Speaker 3: all this stuff, because you know they we do the
Speaker 3: research and everything, but Danielle puts everything together and she
Speaker 3: was telling us about this. In my head, I thought
Speaker 3: you were like on Chris Hansen dateline where you're like
Speaker 3: the girl people come to the house.
Speaker 1: The idea that you're insane, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: I mean, like I actually did the Chris Hansen thing.
Speaker 4: Actually don't know when my episode airs, but I did
Speaker 4: the thing in Michigan. And that's easy. It's so easy everywhere,
Speaker 4: Like who cares?
Speaker 2: What did you play? What role did you play in
Speaker 2: the Chris Hansen the decoy?
Speaker 4: You know, sixteen year old deep?
Speaker 2: Okay, so you played it, played the girl?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, yeah completely. But that's that's the
Speaker 4: easy part. That those things are the third one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the idea of wearing a wire in a third
Speaker 3: world country is that's a different no wire no why okay?
Speaker 1: But you had the camera though, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's just that was in one of the situations
Speaker 4: where we're interviewing the guy. When we're going into the
Speaker 4: trafficking situation, we don't have anything that's a different story.
Speaker 4: That is a surrounded you are.
Speaker 2: In a and that's for your safety actually.
Speaker 4: Exactly their territory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if they discovered your wire, then you're done. Done.
Speaker 1: You just disappear, You just disappear.
Speaker 4: That was my biggest concern was, like, they're gonna what
Speaker 4: if they take me? What if they shoot my partner?
Speaker 1: Get was it just two of you? How many people
Speaker 1: are normally doing this?
Speaker 4: Well, it was two of us. It was three of
Speaker 4: us to go into some of these situations because it
Speaker 4: made sense. But then we've got a whole team behind
Speaker 4: us that are like either circling in vans or like
Speaker 4: i mean, I hate to say it, but we've got
Speaker 4: safe houses in case they hear gunshots. Yeah, and then
Speaker 4: we have escape routes for us to run in case
Speaker 4: something goes bad.
Speaker 2: Like it's and who are you playing in this?
Speaker 4: It depends on the situation. Sometimes I'm a customer, Sometimes
Speaker 4: I'm a trafficker who's like interviewing some of the merchandise
Speaker 4: wants to learn. Sometimes I'm I'm a girl who's being trafficked,
Speaker 4: Like it just depends on the situation and what works.
Speaker 1: Please tell me you're writing a film about this.
Speaker 4: And at one point it's funny because at one point
Speaker 4: Sony bought my life rights when it all came out,
Speaker 4: like Okay, what do you want to do? And I
Speaker 4: was like, I want to make a TV show, like
Speaker 4: the word out right. And then we pitched everyone like
Speaker 4: we had a show, we had a script, had a showrunner, everything,
Speaker 4: and we pitched like we pitched Apple, and we pitched
Speaker 4: Amazon and Hulu and other people, and everyone was like, no,
Speaker 4: we don't want to do a show on trafficking. And
Speaker 4: then Sound of Freedom came out like six months later.
Speaker 2: Right, it's.
Speaker 4: So but yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my god, I couldn't imagine.
Speaker 4: I can't and I understand it because it's really I mean,
Speaker 4: it's dark.
Speaker 2: It's dark. Yeah, it's dark.
Speaker 4: It's as dark as it gets.
Speaker 2: Well, we know you have your own nonprofit organization focusing
Speaker 2: on things like protecting our kids online and even sharing
Speaker 2: your own experiences in the field. It's called the Foundation
Speaker 2: for a Slavery Free World. How can people learn more
Speaker 2: about it?
Speaker 4: Well, they can go on Slavery freeworld dot org and
Speaker 4: there I also have education materials and that. But I
Speaker 4: also do a podcast called the Marason Nichols Podcast where
Speaker 4: I have like guys that I've gone under cover with
Speaker 4: different experts in the field, like experts from like the
Speaker 4: National Center for Missing Exploded Children. This is how you
Speaker 4: keep your children shape? These are the things you just like.
Speaker 4: More experts from META, like literally the Global Safety for
Speaker 4: Meta on there telling parents and teenagers how do you
Speaker 4: protect themselves online and what to look for and all
Speaker 4: all of those things. So you can always go.
Speaker 2: On my great Marathon Nichols podcast. That's amazing. One last thing,
Speaker 2: you are you aware that you were in exactly twenty
Speaker 2: four episodes of twenty four? Do you think that's a
Speaker 2: sign at all?
Speaker 4: I was just so happy I didn't die because I
Speaker 4: was waiting to die. Like every time you get the script,
Speaker 4: you're like, did I die? Am I alive?
Speaker 5: On right?
Speaker 4: I'm still happy.
Speaker 1: There are so many shows that are like that. They
Speaker 1: said that when you know twenty four is one.
Speaker 3: Sopranos was one these kind of shows where you just
Speaker 3: they wouldn't tell you and then you'd read the script
Speaker 3: and be like, oh, this is my last week.
Speaker 2: It is, here's my last day.
Speaker 1: I didn't imagine that rough.
Speaker 2: H How old is your daughter now?
Speaker 4: She's seventeen?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, would you ever let your daughter
Speaker 2: get into the entertainment industry? Is she in the entertainment industry?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: She she is more behind the scenes. So she's an artist.
Speaker 4: She's an incredible artist. It's ridiculous. Her stuff's like slowly
Speaker 4: starting to go viral now, which is amazing. She's like, look,
Speaker 4: eleven thousand views on my old cool. Her heart doesn't
Speaker 4: pray itself on social media ever, just which is really amazing.
Speaker 1: Is she a painter? What kind of medium is it?
Speaker 4: She draws? She's an artist. She creates all these but
Speaker 4: she's like, she creates all these characters and then she
Speaker 4: makes soundtracks and theme songs for each character, colors, wardrobes,
Speaker 4: like she's creating a whole show. She'll be one for me.
Speaker 4: She'll be one of those guys on like on YouTube
Speaker 4: that created a show and made like a zillion dollars.
Speaker 2: She's like, let's plug her social media so we can
Speaker 2: find it. Yeah, it's Rainy Laney, Rainy Laney, Okay, because
Speaker 2: her name is rain cute.
Speaker 4: And she won't let me follow her because she's worried
Speaker 4: that people will follow her because of me.
Speaker 2: It's a thing she wants her own identity. Yeah, r
Speaker 2: A I N E y dot l A I N
Speaker 2: y Okay, great, rainy cute, amazing.
Speaker 3: So she is she big into like like the manga
Speaker 3: stuff and yeah, but she like if you can think
Speaker 3: of is yeah.
Speaker 1: She it's anime. Is she big into kind of anime?
Speaker 3: She was?
Speaker 4: And then she's such a good kid, Like, I'm very
Speaker 4: lucky she's she's not like me at all.
Speaker 1: She's not blowing up bers.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, No, it's too inappropriate. Okay, and like
Speaker 4: she would fast forward friends because she's like it's too inappropriate.
Speaker 1: Wow her, this is coote. Yeah, it's very very.
Speaker 2: So cool. Well, Marisol, thank you so much for being
Speaker 2: here and your very interesting life with us. Good luck
Speaker 2: getting some sleep tonight with Gingerbread. It looks like gingerbreads
Speaker 2: out for a while. So you know what they say,
Speaker 2: sleep when the baby.
Speaker 1: Sleep, Sleep when the puppy sleep, Sleep when the puppy sleeps.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my gosh, you look at that face.
Speaker 2: So time for you to just lay right down next
Speaker 2: to her exactly.
Speaker 4: Thank you guys, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: It was great to see you by bye bye. That
Speaker 1: is it's an incredible Yeah, what a I just could
Speaker 1: never do that. That's the thing.
Speaker 3: So soon and I talk about stuff like this as
Speaker 3: somebody who deals with anxiety, trying to go into into
Speaker 3: situations where you have to be like.
Speaker 1: The cool cost like in my head and be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I could do that. There's no way, no way able
Speaker 1: to do any of that stuff. Freaking I think I've
Speaker 1: said it before.
Speaker 5: I get nervous at airport security when I've done nothing
Speaker 5: wrong right exactly.
Speaker 3: Nothing behind you with the lights on, it's like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, nine nine gallons of heroin on me, Like, no,
Speaker 3: I've got nothing?
Speaker 1: Why am I so upset?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine what a life?
Speaker 3: I mean again, Danielle, when you told us, I thought
Speaker 3: it was like, yeah, she's doing it all here and
Speaker 3: it's that kind of stuff where she's online like pretending
Speaker 3: to be something, going into like Haiti to do this
Speaker 3: stuff that's insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, certain toughness. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I should have asked her did it end up making
Speaker 2: her feel better or did it make her? Did it
Speaker 2: stress or you know, like she ran into it thinking
Speaker 2: like I'm not able to sleep, I have a baby,
Speaker 2: and it's ruined my life the things I can't unhear.
Speaker 5: And she was motivated by doing good for the world though,
Speaker 5: and I think she's kind of feel good about that.
Speaker 3: But I want to I didn't want to get too
Speaker 3: much gingja, but I wanted to ask about the first
Speaker 3: friend who was showing her all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was like, was that the government showing or was
Speaker 1: that just a friend like showing her all like stuff.
Speaker 2: I think I think it was somebody whose works in
Speaker 2: the field. It was like, I do this work, and
Speaker 2: here are the stories that I have because of it,
Speaker 2: not like a friend who's just like watched this.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, awfulness, Yeah yeah, no, no, no, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well anyway, thank you for joining us for this episode
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Speaker 3: I got nothing, I got nothing merch I got I'm
Speaker 3: still I'm still nervous for the stuff she did years ago, exactly,
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