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Speaker 1: Your tunes about drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Steeler Nation. How we doing well? That's good

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Speaker 2: us too.

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Speaker 3: It is our number two of the Drive here on

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Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network, Wes Shuoler and Matt Williamson. And

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Speaker 3: joining us now is Steeler's historian, the Dean of Doom,

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Speaker 3: the lord of living in his fears. It's the great

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Speaker 3: Bob Labriola. Happy to have him back in the fold

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Speaker 3: after we all took last Thursday off for a little

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving celebration. Labs, thank you for taking the time as always,

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Speaker 3: and just bigger picture question for you here for us

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Speaker 3: to get started, Steelers Ravens. I mean a lot of

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Speaker 3: things have changed in football over the years in the

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Speaker 3: twenty first century. The way the game is played, the

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Speaker 3: way the game is officiated, the calendar and the schedule

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Speaker 3: of the league. A lot of these things have changed

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Speaker 3: and evolved. The man, it feels like every year it

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter if they're fourteen win teams or if they're

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Speaker 3: six and six teams, as Steelers Ravens is still Steelers Ravens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you mentioned, you know, the way the game

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Speaker 4: is played and the rules of the game. Well, you

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Speaker 4: can trace that back to the two thousand and eight

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Speaker 4: AFC Champions because there is no question in my mind

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Speaker 4: that as much as everyone in that press box loved

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Speaker 4: that game, I think it scared the NFL. I really do.

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Speaker 4: The violence it was, I mean, it was great to watch,

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Speaker 4: but I mean there was it was brutal. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think that a lot of what we see today

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Speaker 4: now in terms of you know, the NFL, the way

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Speaker 4: the game has changed, a lot of the player safety

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Speaker 4: initiatives and what they have chosen to kind of remove

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Speaker 4: from the game was because of the way the Steelers

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Speaker 4: and Ravens played. So yeah, Steelers Ravens is I think that,

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Speaker 4: you know, in the future, people might look back on

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Speaker 4: this rivalry and point to it as what I just said,

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Speaker 4: this was the turning point. This was when you know,

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Speaker 4: the whole concept of defenseless receivers.

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Speaker 5: To me.

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Speaker 4: Came from this game. Ask Willis McGahee about that. So, uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, I'm not again, I can understand why that happened.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's a bad thing. You know, protecting

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Speaker 4: people's heads and you know, their future lives and that

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Speaker 4: kind of stuff. I mean, that's very worthwhile endeavor. Fir No.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's not a sarcastic thing, but I mean

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Speaker 4: I think you can definitely trace it to these two teams.

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Speaker 5: So Labs, I half to field conditions in the first segment,

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Speaker 5: and I half told the story of when the Raiders

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Speaker 5: came here in the seventies. I was like three years old,

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Speaker 5: and magically the middle of the field had gotten covered,

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Speaker 5: but outside the numbers was all Ice and Cliff Branch

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Speaker 5: and Al Davis wasn't happy with it. And when I

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Speaker 5: was very young, lad my parents in folks that taught

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Speaker 5: me football, told me, the Raiders is who you hate most, Matt.

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Speaker 5: It's not the Browns, It's not the Bengals, it's the Raiders.

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Speaker 5: In the seventies, has this rivalry surpassed Steelers Raiders of

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Speaker 5: the Glory years?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think that gone on long well,

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Speaker 4: and you're you're playing them every year twice a year.

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Speaker 4: Rivalry with the Raiders was intense for you know, five

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Speaker 4: or six year period. And but even in all of

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Speaker 4: those years, they didn't necessarily play every year in the

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Speaker 4: regular season. I mean Steelers Ravens is twice a year

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Speaker 4: sometimes yes, at least at least twice a year. And

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Speaker 4: you know, the the here's part of it too, and

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of times, you know, people kind

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Speaker 4: of forget this. The Steelers' biggest rivalry rival maybe in

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Speaker 4: All American Football Conference. The Steelers in the Browns play

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Speaker 4: twice a year all the time, oftentimes more than that

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Speaker 4: because you know, back in those days, ticket sales, you know,

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Speaker 4: that big barn dump that they used to play in.

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Speaker 4: You know that sell eighty that's sell eighty six thousand

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Speaker 4: The Steelers and Browns would play an occasional exhibition game

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Speaker 4: it out eighty six, eighty eight, whatever it is, thousand now, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: because you know, you don't want to be playing your

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Speaker 4: even come. So there was that now that the Ravens

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Speaker 4: are the Browns. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you could

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Speaker 4: say whatever you want about the Ravens. This the Ravens,

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Speaker 4: you know, Steelers Ravens isn't something that just started in

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety six when the franchise, I won't say it

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Speaker 4: was founded because it wasn't. It wasn't a new franchise.

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Speaker 4: But the first year in Baltimore, the inaugural season in

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Speaker 4: Baltimore for the Ravens was nineteen ninety six. Steelers Ravens

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Speaker 4: nineteen fifty. So yeah, it's it's it's there's not a

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Speaker 4: whole lot of love lost. I mean, you know Art

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Speaker 4: Nole played for the Browns, he played for Paul Brown.

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Speaker 4: Art Modell fired Paul Brown. There was all kinds of

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Speaker 4: try and dig around in the roots of the hatred.

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Speaker 4: There's all kind of crossovers and you know, mixed marriages

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I would say that, you know, it was

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Speaker 4: the games didn't have that kind of significance because the

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Speaker 5: Most of that, you know, right, I mean that was auto.

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Speaker 4: Because my mother's family, uh, it was from Cleveland, and

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Speaker 4: used to play in Cleveland on Saturday night. Steelers at

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Speaker 5: So you have Cleveland blood in your veins.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, so did stand savereign?

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Speaker 4: And he was right right because if anything, what that

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Speaker 4: And you just you sit there and I mean I was,

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it was it was Brown Steelers way before

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Speaker 4: you know, they just moved a little bit east and

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Speaker 5: And it's so important that they both were so good

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Speaker 4: Well, and here's another thing. Uh when the merger nineteen

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Speaker 4: they were merging. Well, you had to. Three teams had

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Speaker 4: This way we can keep art what we got going going. So,

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Speaker 4: you know, there was there was there was a lot

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Speaker 4: of again, there was it was competitive, bitter, there was

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Speaker 4: sense of shrewd business involved too, and you know, dealing

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Speaker 4: Modell at that point in nineteen seventy or obviously good

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Speaker 4: enough businessmen to realize that you can hate each other,

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Speaker 3: It certainly does. We see that at all levels of football.

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Speaker 3: You breed some hatred, some familiarity, breeds contempt, and you

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Speaker 3: get more butts in the seats, more eyeballs watching, more

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Speaker 3: people engaged and involved and labs.

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Speaker 2: You know, for a.

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Speaker 3: Long time, two mainstays of this rivalry, of course, have

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Speaker 3: been the two head coaches on each sideline. Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 3: the past. That's second most between two coaches and NFL

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Speaker 3: history only George Hallis and Curly Lambeau with more head

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Speaker 3: in preparation in the three hours that play out on

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Speaker 3: Sunday Labs? You know, like we just saw the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: You know, you go against the Colts it's Shane Steiken

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Speaker 3: if you're Mike Tomlin, how does that change things? How

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Speaker 4: You know? I don't know. It's kind of a I

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Speaker 4: would imagine there aren't many surprises, you know, when when

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Speaker 4: they have an intimate knowledge of each other. How could

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Speaker 4: you not because you have to, you know, not only

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Speaker 4: do you have to play them, but you kind of

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Speaker 4: have to when you're when you're building your team or

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Speaker 4: think about, you know, are these guys that we're adding

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Speaker 4: stuff for these kinds of games? You know, I remember

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Speaker 4: Mike Tomlin mentioned in one time this was twenty ten Marquees.

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Speaker 4: Pouncey was the he was a rookie and you know

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Speaker 4: Pouncey they played you know, Florida, The Gators were very

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Speaker 4: Tim Tebow teams. They had a lot of bitter rivalries

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Speaker 4: in the SEC and all that kind of stuff. And

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Speaker 4: you know, Pouncey was told pretty much early on the

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Speaker 4: first Ravens week. You know, this ain't Tennessee. We're playing Sunday.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you think you know you played in rivalries.

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Speaker 4: This is different, and it is uh so I have

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Speaker 4: seen you know, this has always been one of my

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Speaker 4: points whenever on the pregame show or whatever, when we're

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Speaker 4: talking about games around the NFL. And I believe this.

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Speaker 4: I believe this for years and I still believe this now.

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Speaker 4: If you see an NFL team that doesn't play play

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Speaker 4: the Ravens often, they cannot handle it. They cannot handle

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Speaker 4: the intensity. They cannot handle the physicality, and they are

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Speaker 4: behind right away. Not necessarily on the scoreboard, which may

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Speaker 4: the battle of the hitting. You know, they're taking more

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Speaker 4: You cannot. They know they can't play the Steelers that way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Ravens had their playoffs, standing set, seating set,

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Speaker 3: It is a great story. It's one that leads to

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Speaker 2: I think we got it to an automatic voice missage.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, we lost them. We last we kept We did,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, meaningless as it can be. Between Pittsburgh and Body.

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Speaker 6: You were two weeks.

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 3: More Ravens and Steelers' numbers and analytics, and we got

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Speaker 2: But we do have these Steelers Thursday practice reports.

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Speaker 5: I'm curious some stuff here first.

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Speaker 3: Here, Matt, let's get to that is that is some

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Speaker 2: I think that is a safe bet.

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Speaker 2: Calvin Anderson did not practice today with a knee injury.

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Speaker 3: Okay, don't love to see that one, as you're a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did not practice. I'm not sure. Good news.

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Speaker 3: Kyle Dugger, friend of the program, here did not practice

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Speaker 5: That's news.

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Speaker 5: Douger has been a success since he's been here. Certainly

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Speaker 3: Ben Skronick limited with a shoulder. Good news, Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 5: As to say, I don't think he ever practiced on

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Speaker 3: That they did as well. Yes, the ten day rest

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Speaker 2: There is what we know about the Ravens from yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Two reasonably healthy teams are on all though I was

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're in pretty good shape for early.

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Speaker 3: December, and I think, yeah, the best shape that they've

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Speaker 3: been in a while. In pretty good shape overall for

439
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Speaker 3: early in December.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not sure if we talked about this, but

441
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Speaker 5: this ten days for Lamar worries me because watching that game,

442
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Speaker 5: some of his movements and running in athleticism was better

443
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Speaker 5: in spurts this past week than it was any of

444
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Speaker 5: the last four. Like he might be trending the right direction,

445
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Speaker 5: getting healthy and maybe ten days is the remedy he needs.

446
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Speaker 5: He looked like himself again. I'm just throwing it out there.

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Speaker 5: It's possibility, you know.

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Speaker 3: Don't love that now, but I also think you might

449
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Speaker 3: be onto something.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it could be you don't want to

451
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Speaker 5: be the team or oh now he looks like Lamar again. Great,

452
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Speaker 5: that was our week.

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Speaker 2: Let's not Let's not go down that route. Matt.

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Speaker 3: It's time to check in on our Steelers twenty twenty

455
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Speaker 3: five differential spreadsheet. Yeah yeah, we'll start with turnover differential.

456
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Speaker 3: Last week, the Steelers for the second straight week were neutral.

457
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Speaker 3: You know, two turnovers, two takeaways. That puts them at

458
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Speaker 3: plus eight for the season. They were neutral against Chicago

459
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Speaker 3: as well. Let's see here, where is my explosive pass play?

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Speaker 2: I gotta scroll to the right.

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Speaker 5: You'ller not good.

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Speaker 3: It is currently negative thirty nine on the season. You

463
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Speaker 3: were minus four in the explosive play differential against Baltimore

464
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Speaker 3: minus five in the run differential. You actually were plus

465
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Speaker 3: one in the past differential, but that might be just because.

466
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Speaker 5: They never threw.

467
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Speaker 3: Never know, they were just run, run, run, and having

468
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Speaker 3: a lot of success and gashing. You're doing it so

469
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Speaker 3: on the year as a whole. In the run game,

470
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Speaker 3: remember explosive play in the run game ten or more

471
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Speaker 3: yards pass game twenty or more yards minus thirteen in

472
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Speaker 3: the run game minus twenty six in the past game.

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Speaker 3: You have those two numbers up minus thirty nine on

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Speaker 3: the season.

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Speaker 5: It's a big problem. I mean, it's to me, it's

476
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Speaker 5: right there with the time and possession thing that we

477
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Speaker 5: talk about over and over and over, but we don't

478
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Speaker 5: talk about the explosive play differential nearly enough because both

479
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Speaker 5: sides of the ball are to blame. You know that

480
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Speaker 5: it's not an explosive offense running or passing compared to

481
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Speaker 5: the league, and they've allowed too many explosives on defense,

482
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Speaker 5: both in both phases. So it's a hard one to

483
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Speaker 5: say how you fix it, but it's hurting.

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Speaker 3: Them, and that is I think even more concerning in

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Speaker 3: the scope of the time of possession conversation.

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Speaker 7: If you've won or the other great a lot of times,

487
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Speaker 7: if you look at the best to offenses in the

488
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Speaker 7: NFL in high level college football, they don't have the

489
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Speaker 7: best time of possession difference.

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Speaker 2: That's because their offensive scoring in four or five plays.

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Speaker 3: Right right, You're hitting these Oregon offenses and you know

492
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Speaker 3: they just boo boo right down the field.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown. Yeah, Okay, well then their defense is back out there.

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Speaker 3: But that is not the case as it relates to

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Speaker 3: the Steelers, which I think makes it even a little

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Speaker 3: more perplexing. Teams are hitting explosives on you, which means

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Speaker 3: they're having quicker drives you are not, which means you're

498
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Speaker 3: having to elongate drives and work your way down the field.

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Speaker 3: And despite all of that, time of possession still a

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Speaker 3: real negative.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's funny. I heard a baseball analogy that's

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Speaker 5: stuck with me with this whole conversation. Is time of

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Speaker 5: possessions like that that average hitter, you know that that

504
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Speaker 5: the guy that hits first in the line, you know

505
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Speaker 5: every year, gets on base of time, a lot of walks,

506
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Speaker 5: you know, small.

507
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Speaker 3: Ball, he'll lean in and take one off the shoulder

508
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Speaker 3: when the time's right.

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Speaker 5: But explosive is a home run hitter, know, so I

510
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Speaker 5: wouldn't mind nine home run hitters in my lineup, and

511
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Speaker 5: if I have some strikeouts, so be it. I wouldn't

512
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Speaker 5: mind nine big time average hitters in my lineup either. No,

513
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Speaker 5: it's nice to have a blend of all. You know,

514
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Speaker 5: get the guy on base.

515
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Speaker 2: And then Mariage judge nine times through the line.

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Speaker 5: Right, But right now the Steelers aren't getting either exactly right.

517
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 5: You know, you're getting the two forties.

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Speaker 3: They don't have anybody slapping you know, singles into the

519
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 3: left field gap, and they don't have anybody hitting them

520
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: five hundred feet.

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Speaker 5: And it's not just allega both sides of the ball, Yeah,

522
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 5: because the defense on the field too much, and they're

523
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Speaker 5: allowing to make closes.

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Speaker 3: Into the Allegheny or into the mad TV which one

525
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 3: when people when people jack home runs at P and

526
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Speaker 3: C Park and it goes into the water. Is that

527
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Speaker 3: that's the mad isn't it? Is it the Alleghany? I

528
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: think it's the mon Not sure our our resident stack

529
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: guy will get on it for us. But regardless, you

530
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Speaker 3: get what you get what I'm saying, you need to

531
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Speaker 3: slap some singles into the left field. You need to

532
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: hit some Alleghany is it the Alleghany. Yeah, okay, you

533
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: need to hit some into the Allegheny.

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Speaker 5: And uh, it took us way too long.

535
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Speaker 2: Did take us late, way too long to figure.

536
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Speaker 3: That one out, doing too much here at one time.

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Speaker 3: Explosive differential negative thirty nine. Yeah, rough way to make

538
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: a live living. In your last one two, three, four, five, six,

539
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Speaker 3: seven games, you've only won the explosive play differential once

540
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Speaker 3: and that was in the win at home against Cincinnati.

541
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Speaker 5: Okay, and explosive pass differential is the worst of them all, right.

542
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Speaker 3: Yes, negative twenty six through twelve games, so basically a

543
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Speaker 3: little over two times.

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Speaker 2: A game the big plays which pass is pretty significant.

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Speaker 5: It is, it is, So you're allowing two big pass

546
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Speaker 5: plays per game more. That means at least twenty It

547
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Speaker 5: could be an eighty.

548
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Speaker 3: You know, if you're getting two, they're getting four. Right,

549
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: If you're getting three, they're getting five. If you're getting none,

550
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Speaker 3: they're still getting two.

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Speaker 5: Now, sack differential still decent.

552
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Speaker 3: Sack differential is still decent. You're plus twelve on the year.

553
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Speaker 3: That's one of the better sack differentials in the National.

554
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Speaker 3: Like the Steelers turnover number, it doesn't blow your doors off,

555
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Speaker 3: but it's one of the better.

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Speaker 2: Numbers at least.

557
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What can earns me, though, Matt now is it's now

559
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: been three straight.

560
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 5: Weeks, so we haven't felt it lately.

561
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Speaker 3: It's been four weeks. The last time the Steelers won

562
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Speaker 3: the sack differential was actually in that game Sunday Night

563
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Speaker 3: Football against the Chargers at SOFI Stadium. They were neutral

564
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Speaker 3: in that department against Cincinnati, and then they lost it

565
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Speaker 3: at Chicago and lost it against Buffalo.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's not trending the way you want.

567
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Speaker 2: It's not.

568
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Speaker 3: And so far this year, the Steelers have played twelve games, right,

569
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Speaker 3: simple math, one, two, three, four, Five of those they've

570
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Speaker 3: lost the sack differential.

571
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Speaker 5: When they've won it, they've won it, Hugh.

572
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Speaker 3: So I'm just going it's almost like feast or feast

573
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Speaker 3: or famine cluster, which, hey, when it happens against the

574
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Speaker 3: Colts and it happens against the Patriots, awesome.

575
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 5: Awesome, Right, we beat good teams.

576
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 3: Right, it's like the stock market up and down as

577
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: opposed to just steady games.

578
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Speaker 5: I know, and this is a trend across the league,

579
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Speaker 5: but just more consistency with this team and almost every

580
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 5: facet of football would be wonderful.

581
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Speaker 2: Would be outstanding. The whackam will come station outstanding.

582
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: Two other things that you uh that you track in

583
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Speaker 3: here that I think are important, not not obviously as

584
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: big as those three, but but still deserve just a

585
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: minute of conversation before we get out of here. Fourth

586
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 3: down differential. The Steelers are neutral in that regard.

587
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 5: Right, and again I count that as a turnover.

588
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 3: Yes, like going forward to that, I should have explained

589
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Speaker 3: that better to the audience going forward on fourth down

590
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Speaker 3: possession downs, how often your defense stops it and gets

591
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Speaker 3: off the field, how often your offense converts it an

592
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Speaker 3: extended drive?

593
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Speaker 2: And that's not Steelers are are are zero, They're there.

594
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Speaker 5: They didn't explain that exactly how I track it. To

595
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 5: be honest with you, those are just failed attempts. It's

596
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Speaker 5: not your percentage of like gotcha if you if you

597
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 5: if you made two fours and I was one for two,

598
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 5: that's not bad. That's a bad example. But I mean

599
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Speaker 5: just it's how many failed ones, because that's when you

600
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Speaker 5: actually because I treat it as a turnover.

601
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Speaker 2: So it's not a plus one forgetting it.

602
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Speaker 5: You don't get it. It's just a mind same field

603
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Speaker 5: goals make I'm expecting you to make them make sense.

604
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 5: If you don't, you handle ball the other team often

605
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 5: in a bad situation.

606
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Speaker 3: Ye, midfield right, right right, missed field goal differential. You

607
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Speaker 3: mentioned it there, which was a huge number for the

608
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Speaker 3: Steelers last year. I think, right, it was like, it's not.

609
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Speaker 5: An interesting conversation.

610
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Speaker 2: Yeah, plus one right now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's not that Boz has gotten bad.

612
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Speaker 3: Exactly right, right, It's just that they haven't had the

613
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Speaker 3: field goal luck of teams missing them against them like

614
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Speaker 3: they did last year.

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Speaker 5: The other thing too, and I mean to bring this

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Speaker 5: up is.

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Speaker 2: And Prater did miss an extra point.

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Speaker 5: We just bring up Boz's name so much less than

619
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Speaker 5: we used to, like he's he might be your best player.

620
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Speaker 5: Now I'm not saying he should be out there, more

621
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Speaker 5: like it's not up to him when he goes out

622
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Speaker 5: there or the situations. And frankly, they're making they're scoring

623
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Speaker 5: a lot more touchdowns, so part of it's a good thing.

624
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Speaker 5: But it's also weird to me this year that one

625
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Speaker 5: of the things that you've done best, you're not doing

626
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Speaker 5: a lot of you know what I mean, which isn't

627
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Speaker 5: necessarily bad because I'd rather score touchdowns and trot him

628
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Speaker 5: out there in the twenty.

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Speaker 3: Yard line, no doubt, you know, like we like we said,

630
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Speaker 3: we've said a million times it's a testament to him.

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Speaker 2: But we don't want Chris Boswell to be our team MVP.

632
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 5: Right, we talk about him anymore? You know, last year

633
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 5: you talk about him all the time. It's very last

634
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Speaker 5: five years, you talk about him all the time. I

635
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 5: hadn't ninety had it, But we don't talk about him much.

636
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Speaker 2: Hadn't thought about that, Yeah, had not thought about that.

637
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: But you are spot on kind.

638
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Speaker 5: Of how you perceive it, right, right, right, right. But

639
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Speaker 5: but if I have a bunch of as in my

640
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Speaker 5: hand and I can't use this one, and again it's

641
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Speaker 5: not a bad.

642
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Speaker 3: Thing, but right, no, it might be like if it's

643
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: not snow and you're not using your snowplow, it's not

644
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 3: a bad thing.

645
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 5: But I have the best plow last, right, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Matt, let's get to our last commercial break. We'll cross

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Speaker 3: some te's dot some eyes on the other side. We've

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Speaker 3: also got a couple tweets to get to before we

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Speaker 3: get up out of here. Well Shuler, Matt Williamson final segment.

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Speaker 3: When we return, it's the drive on Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 3: Final segment here of the Drive on a Thursday, And Matt,

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Speaker 3: I know we talked about this more so yesterday. We

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Speaker 3: kind of spent like a segment and a half deep

658
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Speaker 3: diving into all the different playoff scenarios in the AFC.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a fun get hold of wormhole to go down.

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Speaker 2: Especially this time of year it is with the roads

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Speaker 2: and narrow and strangely the Steelers, right, it's the conversation.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's isn't a wormy you know, it's like

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Speaker 5: the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: Of these teams, two dogs, one bone to go. And

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Speaker 3: I said to Labs, it's not you know who's going

666
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Speaker 3: to be the one of the two seed and have

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Speaker 3: home field advantage and that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 5: But still, why are you probably staying home and when

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Speaker 5: he's probably going to the playoffs and see how goes?

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Speaker 3: You know, plenty on the line, Uh, Steelers Ravens one

671
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: of those massive massive playoff implication games this weekend. Texans

672
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: and Chiefs massive massive playoff implication game this weekend. But

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Speaker 3: there is a third in this week fourteen slate Matt,

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Speaker 3: and it is tonight at eight fifteen. I'm very excited

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Speaker 3: for this evening.

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Speaker 5: I am too. I think it's a really really good game.

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Speaker 3: Leaving here and going to Robinson to meet my wife

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Speaker 3: and my two daughters. We're gonna have some dinner nice

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00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: and we're taking presents to stuff a bus. You friends,

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Speaker 3: Pike and Big Bob everyone, they do a great thing

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Speaker 3: every Christmas. Stuff of bus. People donate toys, They load

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Speaker 3: up like third some forty some school buses.

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Speaker 2: Has heard every.

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Speaker 5: Insane it's the mass of it all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of times, Matt.

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Speaker 3: I think people like to talk up charity stuff to

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Speaker 3: feel better about themselves and pat themselves on the back.

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00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 3: But what and I am not doing this to like

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Speaker 3: carry water for the company.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: But what the But what the DV Moore are friends

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Speaker 3: of the DV Morning Show pursuita Bowman Abbey. You know

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Speaker 3: Bill Crawford until recently when when he left the show.

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Speaker 3: What they do every year raising over a million dollars

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Speaker 3: with the radio fun for Children's Hospital is incredible. They

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Speaker 3: raise over a million dollars for Children's Hospital in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: every year. It's incredible. And on the kiss side of things, Mikey,

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Speaker 3: Big Bob Tall, Kathy, our guy justin dan Quinlan. They

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Speaker 3: stuffed forty fifty something buses full of toys to give

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Speaker 3: the underprivileged kids. It's really cool. Yeah, and my girls

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Speaker 3: are at the age now where I thought it would

702
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Speaker 3: be fun. I was like, sweetheart, like, let's go. Last

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Speaker 3: night we went out and yeah, they probably understand now,

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00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: they understand, and like we had to explain to them, like,

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Speaker 3: you are not buying these toys for yourself. You are

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Speaker 3: buying these for kids who can't afford it, who get

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Speaker 3: nothing for Christmas. And it's a good conversation to have

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Speaker 3: with them.

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Speaker 5: You're lucky enough that you get stuff for Christmas.

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Speaker 3: And so we let them each go and pick out

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Speaker 3: a couple of things that they want to give to

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Speaker 3: the kids for Christmas. And you know me, I got

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Speaker 3: a football of basketball and a soccer ball to throw

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Speaker 3: in there, because you gotta get some you gotta get

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Speaker 3: some sports in there.

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Speaker 2: That's for the kids. Right.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, we're going over there to to drop off

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Speaker 3: at stuff a bus and but I'm excited to get home,

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Speaker 3: put them down to bed and watch another massive playoff

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Speaker 3: implication game.

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Speaker 2: Tonight is a playoff game. It almost is.

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Speaker 5: People say that stuff too early in the season, but

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Speaker 5: this is.

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Speaker 2: This is about as you get for one of those.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Dallas at Detroit six' five and one against seven

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Speaker 3: and five.

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Speaker 2: One of these teams, whoever wins is.

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Speaker 3: Gonna have a chance at a wild card. Whoever loses

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Speaker 3: is going to be really swimming.

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Speaker 2: Up without a paddle, super close.

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Speaker 3: Especially Detroit favored by three and a half. I realized

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Speaker 3: they're at Hope, but I still that's a big number.

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Speaker 5: I'm picking Dallas to win. I think they're playing better.

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Speaker 5: I think they're playing as well as anyone in the league.

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Speaker 2: And I mean I say that like the Patriots have

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Speaker 2: one ten the.

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Speaker 5: Benver right, I mean, if you lie, I just think

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Speaker 5: they can line up with anyone. How they're playing right

739
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 5: now in a big way. And what's crazy about the

740
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Speaker 5: Cowboys is getting some dudes back from injury trade deadline.

741
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Speaker 5: They basically added six new starters on defense, two linebackers,

742
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Speaker 5: Quinn Williams, a safety corner. You know, like, that's nuts,

743
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Speaker 5: and they're all playing well and might be too little,

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00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 5: too late, but I look at Detroit and think inter

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00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 5: the road lines banged up and ain't what it used

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Speaker 5: to be. That's why they wanted ragnow to come back.

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Speaker 5: And now that the Cowboys have three big times.

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Speaker 3: That's a as Max Starks would say, barbecue chicken match

749
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Speaker 3: up there.

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Speaker 2: For that Dallas defensive line, they're just to.

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Speaker 5: Keep rotating them in. I don't think Saint Brown's playing

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Speaker 5: I think that's a conclusion, correct.

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Speaker 2: I believe you are. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean like they're pretty lean when they hit the ball,

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Speaker 5: and their offense hasn't been as good with this coordinator

756
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Speaker 5: as last year's to begin with. And the Lions these fine,

757
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 5: but it's not great. They don't rush the passer super well.

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Speaker 2: It's fine, but it's not what it was last year.

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Speaker 5: Dealing with Pickens and Lamb right now is a nightmare.

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Speaker 5: And Dak is really, really good. They got a lot

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Speaker 5: invested in their ow line and it's start there. They're

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Speaker 5: starting to gel. They've a young O line like the Steelers. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: they've They've had a lot of high picks there and

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Speaker 5: it's starting to like, Oh, I'm starting to see the

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Speaker 5: vision come together. I think Dallas is clearly the better

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Speaker 5: team and there's no rest Desisi crazy.

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Speaker 3: If you would have told us two months ago we're

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Speaker 3: gonna say and the Cowboys are a better team than

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Speaker 3: the Lions, would have been like, what are those what

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Speaker 3: are those guys having before the show?

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Speaker 5: Now, I'm sure it's not going to be an easy place

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Speaker 5: to play.

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Speaker 2: No doubt. Night Thursday night, desperate game jacked up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but hey, for Dallas, you're not traveling to Michigan

775
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Speaker 3: in December and playing an outdoor game, right, It's nice.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to Lambeau again and trying to get

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Speaker 2: the ball to pick.

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Speaker 5: On the road. Yeah you played on Thanksgiving, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: No, I think Dallas wins.

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Speaker 3: One tweet here from Tyler all right, because we got

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Speaker 3: like sixty seconds so we got to go, and this

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00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with anything we're talking about, so

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Speaker 3: I figured it would play quickly here Tyler tweets not

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00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: a Steelers question. But with the Formula One season coming

786
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 3: to an end this weekend, it reminded me a couple

787
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: of months ago Matt mentioned that he watches it or

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00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: at least loved the series on Netflix. I'm curious if

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Speaker 3: Matt has a favorite Formula One team or driver.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Love the show.

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Speaker 5: Kinda, but it's funny. My son and were talking about

792
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Speaker 5: my son a lot lately. He texted me yesterday's will

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00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 5: be because he's super into it.

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00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 2: Now, Okay, yeah, Uk hoops in Formula one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So we talked about it a tom when he's home.

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00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 5: You know, he watches it steadily and he's like, Dad,

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00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 5: this is gonna be the best F one race we've

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Speaker 5: ever seen. And I'm like, they raced on Sunday, Mike,

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Speaker 5: I can't watch it. So really the last couple of months,

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Speaker 5: I am totally out of the loop. But Max Versapping

801
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 5: is Papa Holmes. Dude, he's iceman. Oh he is a

802
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 5: bad ass.

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Speaker 2: I love that. I am. I'm not into Formula one

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00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 2: at all.

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00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I like dislike it.

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00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: In fact, it's very cool. It's kind of the opposite.

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00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 7: I know.

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00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: I told you this story.

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00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: I very loosely followed international soccer when I was growing up. Yeah,

810
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 3: and then when I got to college, me and my

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00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: buddies would would Saturday and Sunday mornings there's no football

812
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: on till noon or one o'clock. We'd be like, well,

813
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 3: what do we want? I will throw on those throw

814
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 3: on the Manchester United in Chelsea game, and that's how

815
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: I really really started getting into it. And I'd be

816
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 3: working the six am shift at the radio station in

817
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 3: Morgantown and at seven am there's Toottenham and Fulham game,

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00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's live sports. I'm

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00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: gonna throw it on and I got hooked, Like I

820
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 3: love the English Premier League.

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Speaker 2: And I know they.

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Speaker 5: Lay weird times. I know ones a crazy times. They

823
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 5: could be in Belgium or they could be in right,

824
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 5: right right all over the place right.

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Speaker 3: I know that if I tried dipping my toe into

826
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Speaker 3: the Formula one pool.

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00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 2: I'd end up cannonballing in.

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Speaker 5: It's cool.

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Speaker 2: I would love it.

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00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 3: And I just got between my job and football and

831
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: everything else and the Mountaineers all the stuff I do there,

832
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 3: like to do there.

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00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 5: I have so many questions I don't understand about it,

834
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 5: but still I love it.

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Speaker 2: I would.

836
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: I have a feeling, you know, like when people are

837
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: like I like, I can't have a cigarette.

838
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: I've got an addictive personality. I'll get hooked.

839
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: That's me with that f One's like a pack of

840
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: cigarettes that I'm like, that looks tempting, but I know

841
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 3: if I have one, I'll have a hundred.

842
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 5: That's why I don't golf. A personality. I can't play

843
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 5: eighteen holes and spend all that money every Saturday, Sunday

844
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 5: and every day off I have. It's exactly why I

845
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 5: don't golf.

846
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: Formula one is my country club membership. Maybe one day,

847
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: but not today. Fun show today, enjoyed it. Thanks to

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Speaker 2: Labs for joining us.

849
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: Big shout out as always to our video producer Tyler

850
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 3: V mister TV for making sure we look handsome on

851
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: the YouTube. And a big thank you to Matt Williamson.

852
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 3: Who you know, mister f one, mister UK hoops all.

853
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: It's all happening in the Williamson household lot going on

854
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 3: big show tomorrow on Friday. To get you ready for Armageddon.

855
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 3: We'll do five Star Friday. We'll talk to Missy Matthews.

856
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 3: We'll go around the gambit of the NFL for a

857
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: huge week fourteen across the league.

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Speaker 2: Take care, everybody. We will talk to you tomorrow. As always.

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Speaker 3: You know where to find us. It's on your twenty

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00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: four to seven home of the Black and Gold. It's

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Speaker 3: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.