1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Cools Media. Hello and welcome to cool People did cool stuff, 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: or as it should be called this week. Margaret didn't 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: come up with a funny title for spooky Week. That's 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: that's what it's called. That's what my show is called. 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: You are, in fact the cool person who did something cool. 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: Oh. Thanks, because it's spooky week. And also I'm on 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: tour and so I didn't write a script. Instead, I'm 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: going to read you all stories. And by you all, 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: I mostly mean my friends Prop and Sophie. Hi, how 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 1: are you all? Hi? 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: Hey Mac Paisy make the blood sport look easy? It's 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 2: going down. 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: I have been listening. For anyone who doesn't already listen 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: to Hood Politics with Prop, you're missing out. It is 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,959 Speaker 1: my favorite keeping up with what's happening in the political 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: world thing. 17 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: I've been telling everyone about this piece you did about 19 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: the future of coffee. Yes, all, it could happen here. Yeah, 20 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: and how like there's like what twenty seven years left 21 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: of coffee? Spot it and that episode covers everything that 22 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: people who I don't know people might have already heard it, 23 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: but if they, if you haven't, I should go out 24 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: and listen to it because it covers everything about like 25 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: how the problem was formed, basically everything that's wrong with capitalism, 26 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: and almost all of the ideas about how we get 27 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: out of that problem, which usually involves like supporting worker 28 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: cooperatives in the global South. 29 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all there, dude. Thanks. That was like it's 30 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: been simmering for a while because I feel like with 31 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: this is this is me continuing to be vulnerable. I 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: just feel like with like the like it could happen 33 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: here team, and you also in a lot of ways, 34 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 2: y'all are like actual writers and journalists. Like I'm a 35 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 2: poet that can rap and just knows a lot of things. 36 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: So I'm like, I was always like nervous to be like, 37 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: oh okay, So I was like, let me, I better 38 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: be thorough if I'm gonna do something for y'all. So 39 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: like I I and it was like something that you know, 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: obviously I'm like super passionate about it. But you're right, 41 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: it's like here's here's a microcosm of all that's wrong 42 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: with capitalism, colonialism, right, consumerism, you know, all of it, 43 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: and then the solution being the shit we've been trying 44 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: to say is the solution the whole time just yeah, 45 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 2: cooperates fort each other. Stop seeing people as resources. 46 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: It's almost frustrating how simple the problems really are at 47 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: the core of it, because then we still can't do them. Yeah, 48 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: you know, like on the large enough scale. Yeah, but 49 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: Sophie's our producer. Hi, Sophie, I hey look one to Oh. 50 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: Huh, I know, I know. 51 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: It's a great it's as of this recording. It feels 52 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: really good. 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: It feels really good. We're talking about the Lakers. 54 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: I figured it was a sports thing. 55 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's sports ball. 56 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: It feels really good today. 57 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 2: Yeah at this moment. 58 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: Hell yeah. I just keep watching those span atits of 59 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: JJ's timeouts and huddles versus Darwin Ham's, and I like 60 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: feelverly warm and fuzzy inside. 61 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: So he is now a cool person who did a 62 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: cool thing. 63 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: Because like, the thing is he took a time out. 64 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: Yes, the thing is like for the last few years, 65 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: we've had a coach who just feels like, just play through, 66 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: like and you guys will find your rhythm. So, but 67 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: what you normally do. 68 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: Is like we never did, we never did. 69 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: What you normally do is like if the other team 70 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: is like dog walking you and just like running the 71 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: scoreboard up. You try to stop their momentum by calling 72 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: a time out like okay, well stop stop stop stop stop, 73 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: you know, and hopefully that breaks their zone and then 74 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: gives you a chance to like regroup and maybe get 75 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: some momentum back. He just never did it. So we 76 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: were like so many times yelling at the TV call 77 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 2: a time out, like he's already dead. We're already like 78 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: you said. So just in game one while we were 79 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 2: winning beautiful, we just he was like, oh my god, 80 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: he called a timeout like I already love you. Just 81 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: air missing they won and they won. 82 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so so all I can say JJ salute man. 83 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: I was I have my I have my concerns, but 84 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,839 Speaker 2: like you have a suage to my concerns. With one 85 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: game one. 86 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: Time, we were like, oh are we oh he different? 87 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: Are we slightly? Are we slightly safer? 88 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's like it's like you dating a person 89 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: that finally does the bare minimum of like yeah, no, 90 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: I'll cover to day, cover the meal, like what you 91 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying it just really Yeah, you decided 92 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: to shower before we went out today, like you know, 93 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: like the. 94 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: Bar was on the floor and you lifted up your feet. 95 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: The bars on the floor. It's like, oh, oh you different. 96 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Rory is our audio engineer. Everyon wants to say 97 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: hi to Rory. Hi, Rory. 98 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: Rory. 99 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: Our theme music was written for Uced by Unwoman and yeah, 100 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: spooky week. I'm on tour. I'm reading a bunch of 101 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: stories as I go around on tour, and it is 102 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: prop you've toured. I hear you talk about I have. Yes, 103 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: all I'm doing is like waking up, driving for many hours, 104 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: reading for a bunch of people, and then going to 105 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: a hotel and then going to sleep and then repeating 106 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: that yes and yeah. It's also very rewarding and I'm 107 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: enjoying the hell out of it. 108 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 2: But it is. Yeah, there's no like there's no week 109 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: days or weekends. Yeah, it's just kind of now. Granted 110 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: you're not sweating and throwing your voice out, you know, 111 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: which is great, but that's true. Still You're just like, 112 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: how do I make this city, make them feel like 113 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: this was the first time I've done this? Yeah, And 114 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 2: because it's the first time, they're experiencing it, you know, 115 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: and trying to make it special. But it can be like, 116 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: you know, wait, what what state is this? 117 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: And the end totally. 118 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. And then this you know, this Marriott that I'm 119 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: staying in with the just the free, the free Continental 120 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: egg breakfast that you might as well just flush down 121 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: the toilet, you know. Yeah, yeah, it's just gonna run 122 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: right through you. But like, yeah, no, I get it well. 123 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 1: And then it's like I ended up at a you know, somewhere, 124 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: put me up in a hotel that I just like, 125 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: I just was like I don't belong here, Like I 126 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: shouldn't be in this place. Like I'm walking in with 127 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: like patched pants and a dog that's afraid of cars, 128 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: and just like and they're like, there's valet service. And 129 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: I have like this giant West Virginia pickup truck because 130 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: my van broke down before I left on tour. 131 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't sorry, guys, I. 132 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: Don't know how to I don't know how to do 133 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: valet service. And they're like, it's fine, just give us 134 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: the keys to your truck. 135 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: And I'm like, like, I I apologize in advance for 136 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: when you get into this truck. And yeah, I was 137 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 2: not prepared for anyone else to get into this Corok. 138 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've been I've been living in this truck 139 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: for two weeks, so you know, I'm so sorry. 140 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 2: Yeah for us, it's like if you can climb over 141 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: the boxes of merch, yeah, you know, and bags of 142 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 2: sunflower seeds, then yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So all right, 143 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: I'm going. 144 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: To read you a story today and then a story. Well, 145 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you two stories today, but the audience 146 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: will hear one of them today and one of them 147 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: on Wednesday. And this story, the first one I wrote. 148 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: I actually never set out to write horror. The first 149 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: time I really got into writing, and then slowly because 150 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: I don't watch well now I watch horror, but for 151 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: a long time I didn't watch horror because I lived 152 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: in a van alone in like the woods a lot 153 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: of the time. Yeah nah, I don't need to watch 154 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: people like me get murdered all the time. It doesn't 155 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: sound fun, you know. And then eventually I realized that 156 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: actually most horror movies are me murdering people instead. Because 157 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: I moved into like a black cabin in the middle 158 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: of the woods. 159 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: You know, you are the yea, you are the fear. 160 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: And then I could watch horror movies again, and and 161 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: so I started writing more horror, and this story is 162 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: a story I wrote a while ago now, and it's 163 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: the title story to my book We Won't Be Here 164 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: Tomorrow and other stories. Okay, a story is called we 165 00:07:54,920 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: Won't be Here Tomorrow. Okay. I turned thirty yesterday, and 166 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: the thing about being part of a teenage death cult 167 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: is you're not supposed to turn thirty. It was a 168 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: personal failure on my part, the kind of personal failure 169 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: that meant the ghouls of New Orleans were after me. 170 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,119 Speaker 1: The night air was alive with the usual white noise 171 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: of gunshots and fireworks, and I stalked the cemetery, bouquet 172 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: in hand, past row after row of people who died young. 173 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: Some were at rest in their own above ground tombs, 174 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: others had been crammed into mausoleums. No one ever seemed 175 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: to ask why so many gutter rats and punks were 176 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: buried in relative luxury in a private graveyard within city limits. 177 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: We humans are a relatively non curious species. On the whole. 178 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: I laid thirteen white roses on Deirdre's grave. Deirdre didn't 179 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: like flowers, but I like flowers. What she doesn't like 180 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, because she's dead, dead and eaten. Everyone I've 181 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: ever loved, really loved, not the like. The requisite and 182 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: insincere love of child for parent was laid out within 183 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: one city blocks worth of marble and cement. Janelle Mariette 184 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: Thompson nineteen ninety to two thousand and nine, the girl 185 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: I came to New Orleans for who broke my heart 186 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: by deciding she was straight after all. She died drunk 187 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: on a freight train before I had the chance to 188 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: forgive her, before I had the chance to tell her 189 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: there was nothing to forgive. Erica Freeman nineteen eighty eight 190 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: to twenty thirteen, the next straight girl after Janelle. We 191 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: stayed friends. We played in three bands together. The last 192 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: one was Dead Girl, Suicide on stage, Blood on the Crowd. 193 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: I haven't forgiven her. Jorge Jefferson dead at twenty. Marcel 194 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: Smith made it to twenty four, Damian Polanski twenty eight, 195 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: Robert Lance, Heather Maria twenty three, each of them, Susie 196 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: Hamilton and Suzanne Lanover never saw twenty. Deirdre Hanson nineteen 197 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: ninety two to twenty eighteen. I was so sure she 198 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: was straight that she had to hit on me for 199 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: a year before I let her kiss me. The year 200 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: is a long time for people like us. The ghoul Sworn. 201 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: We finally kissed down on the levee at a place 202 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: called the End of the World. We were old then already. 203 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: I was twenty four and it was her twenty third birthday, 204 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: and what I got her was goods and services from 205 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: our sponsors. That's what you get. Ooho, yo, wild you. 206 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 2: That was the best I would say in the history. 207 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 2: That was the you got. Because I was so in 208 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 2: this story. I was like, yeah, God, goods, it's wait 209 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: what oh like. 210 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 1: Yo, take pride in my work. 211 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 2: I was in like in that was wow, that was good. 212 00:10:49,280 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: Here's the ads and we're back. She spent her twenty 213 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: third birthday with me, with just me. Two days after 214 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: her twenty sixth she died in a house fire at 215 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: a party in the Seventh Ward, along with two other people, 216 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: one ghul sworn, one just unlucky enough to hang out 217 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: with the doomed. I would have been at the party, 218 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: but my truck wouldn't start and my bike had a 219 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: flat and I was feeling lazy. So she'd died without me, 220 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: and the Ghules put her here and every year on 221 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: the anniversary of her death, their back at her corpse 222 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: for another little bit of her soul. A knuckle here, 223 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: a femur there. They eat bones and they live forever. 224 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: And Deirdre was dead, like all of us. Ghulesworn were 225 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: supposed to be while we were still young, and our 226 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: essence was still strong in our marrow. There I was alive. 227 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't long until dawn until the ghules would rise 228 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: with the sun and haunt me. Haunt me. Already, dogs 229 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: were howling, already, there was light on the horizon. One 230 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: day soon I'd be and the words Mary Walker were 231 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: going to be carved into stone. People go to New 232 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: Orleans to die. I didn't want to die anymore. I 233 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: had to get going. I had to track down ghosts 234 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: and rumors of those who'd escaped. I left the flowers 235 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: for Deirdre. Fuck you, Deirdre, Fuck you for dying. It 236 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: was Janelle who'd offered me the bargain. This would have 237 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: been where I should have done the ad transit anyway. 238 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: N the way you did it was perfect. 239 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: I hadn't been in the city for more than a week, 240 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: and she and I had been crashing on the roof 241 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: of an abandoned grocery store. That place as of whole 242 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: foods now might get torn down by bezos tomorrow. I've 243 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: outlived every derelict building I've ever known. Y'all go hard 244 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: down here, I told her, after an evening that involved 245 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: stealing drugs from a dealer, consuming those drugs, trying and 246 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: failing to steal more drugs from the same dealer, and 247 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: a roving party that moved through the darker bits of 248 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: the city with a generator and a sound system and 249 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: a shopping cart. Revelry had followed us like a cloud 250 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 1: overhead dancing debauchery. Sobriety was creeping up on me unwanted, 251 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: like a fever, and I wasn't entirely sure how we'd 252 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: made it back from the party to our tarped off 253 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: overhang on that rooftop. I was eighteen. I don't know 254 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: how to describe being eighteen, but you either remember it 255 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: yourself or you might live long enough to know. You 256 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: want to hear why, Janelle asked, Yeah, we can't go 257 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: to jail. What it's gonna sound crazy? She said, bitch, 258 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: I was born for crazy. Worse than that, I can't 259 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: tell you everything unless you join us. Whatever she was 260 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: going to say, I already knew I was going to 261 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: go along with it. I thought the sun shone out 262 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: of that girl's asshole. I would have followed her into 263 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: a wood chipper. Oh to be eighteen again. What's it involved? 264 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: I asked, a permanent get out of jail free card. 265 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 1: Cops will look the other way, the courts will look 266 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: the other way. In exchange, you gotta die before you're thirty, 267 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: like someone will kill me, not unless you turn thirty. 268 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: I didn't expect to turn thirty anyway. The way the 269 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: world was and is who does survival didn't really seem possible, 270 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: so I refused to prioritize it. I'm in that morning 271 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: as a ketamine hangover started in on me. Janelle took 272 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: me to meet the Ghules for the first time. The 273 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: hot winter sun bore down on me, but I kept 274 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: my hood up, as if a ratty black hoodie offered 275 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: me any sort of anonymity or protection. In the kangaroo pocket, 276 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: I fingered my revolver snubnose. Shit for most purposes, good 277 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: for killing someone, point blank, good for killing myself. I 278 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: walked through the Upper Ninth and everything was weathered wood 279 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: and smiling people. Somewhere in the distance I heard the 280 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: horns and drums of a second line. This is a 281 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: city that knows how to celebrate death whenever. The Ghules 282 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: were going to catch me. When not if because I 283 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: was too much of a coward to hold that smith 284 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: and wesson to my temple. They weren't gonna kill me 285 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: so much as they were gonna let me die. I've 286 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: been to their dungeons. You lived a twenty five as 287 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: a ghule sworn, and they tap you for work down there, sometimes, 288 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: probably just to remind you of their power, probably just 289 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: to remind you to get on with dying. They were 290 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: gonna hang me from chains, and they were gonna cut 291 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: me open and remove every bone from my body, one 292 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: by one. They were gonna crack me open to the marrow. 293 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: They were gonna let me watch. It wouldn't work to run. 294 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: The Ghules owned the legal system inside and out. As 295 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: soon as I'd turned thirty, they'd set me up as 296 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: convicted of every crime they'd ever got me off of. 297 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: Once I got popped, there'd be someone in my cell 298 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: willing to take a full pardon in exchange for a 299 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: knife in my guts. I turned the corner and saw 300 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: the levee all handsome and full of birds. A few 301 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: dogs ran off leash, while a few happy people passed 302 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: a bottle on the grass. My finger found the trigger, 303 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: and I know it's bad, but I let it sit. 304 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: There no safety on that thing besides the hard pull 305 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: of a double action. I needed to die. I didn't 306 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: want to die. They live forever, and I was only 307 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: going to live a few more minutes or hours or days. 308 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: A seagull landed on the concrete ruin under its feet 309 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: in red spray paint. Someone had tagged the devil let us. 310 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: I stopped and watched that bird, because it was beautiful, 311 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: because it was worth the risk. After some time, it 312 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: flew off, and I went back to walking. Desmond lived 313 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: in a little fortress of an apartment in the heart 314 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: of a massive ruined factory, up on the fourth floor. 315 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: If you want a view of the water, or of 316 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: the city, or really just to see the sun or 317 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: the sky at all, you've got to leave that safety 318 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 1: and walk a few hundred yards across trash and needles 319 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: and rubble to look out any windows. Desmond says, the 320 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: privacy is worth it. Desmond is only twenty two, but 321 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: he's been sworn for a decade already. He's second generation. 322 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: His mother hanged herself when he was fourteen. I gutted 323 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: his father in an alley because I blamed him for 324 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: his mother's death. I might have been right. Ever since, 325 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: Desmond has been one of my best friends. He undid 326 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: about fifteen locks and alarms in active defense systems to 327 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: let me into his place. At least three or four 328 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: million dollars in stolen lab equipment was barricaded inside. Didn't 329 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: think I'd be seeing you again, he told me, from 330 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: where he lay on a ragged couch. His pupils had 331 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: eclipsed the brown of his eyes. His black skin glistened 332 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: with sweat. Despite the relative cool of the room. I 333 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: wasn't sure what he was on, But then again I 334 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: was never sure what he was on. A vape pen 335 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: dangled loose in his hand. The whole place was bathed 336 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: in dim lavender light. Even the dozens of led indicator 337 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: lights had been modified to glow pale purple. The walls 338 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: were wallpapered with flat screens. Most were broken. Some were 339 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: playing a carry Grant film. I perched on a milk 340 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: crate stool across from him. What do you want dead? Girl. 341 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: He didn't turn his face to look at me. You 342 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: can't hide out here. Won't work out for either of us. 343 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: You give a shit about danger. He took a drag 344 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: and let out a cloud of vapor. It smelled like jasmine. 345 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: Desmond scent coated his drugs. But I didn't remember there 346 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: being a jasmine one. I guess not, he said. His 347 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: hands dug into the ragged upholstery, tensing and releasing of 348 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: their own volition, and he gasped as something course through 349 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: his veins. I can give you something to get out 350 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: for good, he said, after his body came back under 351 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: his control. Painless euphorick. Even Danny took some last week, 352 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: said it was pleasant before she went under. I'm not 353 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: trying to die, I said. Life is a death sentence. 354 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: Not trying to die. Desmond turned his head and only 355 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: his head to look at me. His eyes seemed to 356 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: glow in the light. It's too late, dead girl, you 357 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: know that right. He turned back toward the ceiling. Avery 358 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: got out, I said. Avery was an old gender queer 359 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: punk who haunted ghoul sworn bars talking to No One 360 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: two years back, twenty nine years old. They'd disappeared. I 361 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: hadn't seen their grave, and I hadn't seen them in 362 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: the dungeons, dead in the swamps. Desmond said, Gator's got 363 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: to eat too. That's not what I hear, I said, 364 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: I hear you deal to them sometimes. I hear you 365 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: know where they are. He took another drag and convulsed 366 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: and filled the room with the scent of flowers. When 367 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: did you go coward? He asked? Wanting to live makes 368 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: me a coward. No, wanting to live makes you a hopeless, 369 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: idiotic optimist. Going to ground makes you a coward. It's 370 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: that or what just die? 371 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: Go out? 372 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: Like Terry Terry Williams nineteen seventy three to two thousand 373 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: and two. She'd set fire to a marine ghulhouse in 374 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: the middle of the day, then opened up on everyone 375 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: came out of the building with an impressive assortment of 376 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: fully automatic weapons. Terry Williams is why we know you 377 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: can't kill a ghoul with fire or bullets, I said. 378 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: She was also why we knew there were worse ways 379 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: to die than having your bones removed and eaten in 380 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: front of you. God had been satisfying, though, for a minute. 381 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: When she thought it was gonna work, the only way 382 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: to hurt them I can think of is to starve 383 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: them out. We all assumed they go hungry without us, 384 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: though there wasn't any proof. If they ain't eating you, 385 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: they'll be eating somebody else. He took another hit. This 386 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: time the convulsions kept going for a full thirty seconds. 387 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: You gotta try this, he said, offering me. The vape 388 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: doesn't have a name yet. It's a fast acting upper 389 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: shuts down your motor control intense while it's happening, but fuck, 390 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: when you come down, you come down solid, feel like yourself. 391 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: I'm good, I said, Live a little, he said, then 392 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: smiled at his own joke. I'm good. Here's what you do, 393 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: he said. I got it figured out. Let me kill you, which, 394 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: let's be real, you should let me do anyway, because 395 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: you killed my dad. Only fair. Then there's an old 396 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: cement mixer in here. I'll in case your body drop 397 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: you in the river. I get to kill you, you 398 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: get to die, and gules don't get to eat you. 399 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: Everybody's happy except the ghules. Fuck them. 400 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: Okay. I'm like, I don't know how to do this 401 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 2: version of the podcast because I'm just loving the story. 402 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, no, you can interrupt if you want. 403 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: But yeah, no, Like first question, huh, are like these 404 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: things exist, like these death cults exist? Like these are 405 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 2: a thing? 406 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: No? No, this is my metaphor for a lot of 407 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: my friends in New Orleans have real hard in short lives. 408 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: Oh okay. I was like. I was like, if you 409 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: don't want to reveal yet, that's great. But I'm just like, yeah, yeah, 410 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: you have single handedly introduced me to parts of the 411 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 2: world I didn't know existed. 412 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 413 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 2: I thought I've been pretty well traveled. 414 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. 415 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: Killjoy is laid out a few things where I was like, oh, word, 416 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: that's a thing. So so I was like, maybe this 417 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 2: is a thing, you know, So okay, okay, cool? 418 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I feel. 419 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 2: A little less angsty right now. 420 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that would be even darker than the reality. 421 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: It'd be so dark. He's like, yeah, you know, I 422 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: was a part of one. 423 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: With Yeah, all right, just tell me where to find Avery. 424 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: You really don't want to find Avery as a friend, 425 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: trust me. Just die. You don't fucking get it, I said. 426 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: Desmond shot upright so fast, it was like a movie 427 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: skipped some frames. He held a pistol aimed at me, 428 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: dead girl, you're the one who doesn't get it. We're friends, 429 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: I said, in as calm a voice as I could manage. 430 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 1: Adrenaline started my heart racing, and I knew a panic 431 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: attack was on its way if I lived that long. 432 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: We are, Desmond agreed. I'm not killing you. You killed 433 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 1: yourself a long time ago when you swore a pact 434 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: with demons. This is me just helping another friend not 435 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: make a rash decision. Shooting so some one is always 436 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: a rash decision. The panic attack hit like a wall 437 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: of sound, and it made me question my resolve. Death 438 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: felt preferable to panic. Three, he counted. He raised the 439 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: gun in both hands and aimed it at my temple 440 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: for a man stone beyond reason. He held it steady. 441 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to vomit. Two I still wanted to live. 442 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 1: I tensed my legs under me. One I sprung at 443 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: the ground. He fired, missed. My ears rang. I shot upright, 444 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: closed on him, wrenched the gun from his hand, held 445 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: it to his temple. A dead girl. We're friends, he spoke, 446 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: loud like he could barely hear himself, which was probably 447 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: the case. My ears rang, Tell me where to find avery, 448 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: I said, just as loud. I won't tell you anything 449 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: when you got a gun to my head, he said, 450 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: matter a principle. He was right. I dropped the mag 451 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: and cleared the chamber. He lifted his vappen and I flinched. 452 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: He took another drag, a tiny one. His hands clenched 453 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: and unclenched. I sat next to him on the couch 454 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: and he passed me the vape. I took a hit, 455 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: and my panic intensified for a second before it dropped 456 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: away entirely. I was as calm as I'd ever been. 457 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes that's the way through panic, same as danger. Don't 458 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: hide from it, embrace it. Avery's in the swamps, Desmond said, 459 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: and they're not dead because they've been living off of 460 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: the goods and services that support our podcast, including various 461 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: things that you can go vape. I don't know if 462 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: vape sponsor us or not. If they do, don't do it. Yeah. 463 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: If there are drugs that are being advertised, you should 464 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: trust your friends about drugs more than you should trust ads. 465 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: These don't believe it. 466 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: Which is saying something because you also shouldn't trust you 467 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: friends about drugs. 468 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 2: Your friends have no idea what they're talking about. 469 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's also true. Well, here's are the rest 470 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: of the ads and we're back. 471 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 2: Oh. This lady right was like I don't want to die. Yeah, 472 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 2: but one of the homies was like, but you promised, yeah, 473 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: And then he tried to do it, but she joked 474 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 2: him yep, okay, cool, I'm with it. 475 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then was like, go tell me where this 476 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: person who didn't die, Go tell me where they are at. 477 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: Turns out they didn't die, okay, all right, yeah woo. 478 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: The character of a city is shaped as much by 479 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: the wilderness around it as it is by its architecture. 480 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: The character of a city is shaped as much by 481 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: its closest wildlife as by its rulers. New Orleans is 482 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: as much a city of cyprus and cormorants as it 483 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: is of shotgun houses and ghouls. I cut through the 484 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: swamp and a stolen canoe, the white noise of traffic 485 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: and people replaced by that of water and wildlife. Avery 486 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: lived in a hunting shack built on piers, disguised from 487 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: all directions by trees. I parked at their dock, climbed 488 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: a few stairs, and knocked at their door. They answered 489 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: in aviators, A real tree punk vest and tight black pants. 490 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: They looked exactly like I'd seen them perched at that 491 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: bar every night for years, except they were paler than 492 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: I remembered, and they had a shotgun pointed at my belly. 493 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: Fuck you want Mary Walker to live? I said, go away? 494 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: How'd you do it? How'd you survive? I ain't survived, 495 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: for shit, not yet. I only got a year on you. 496 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: That makes you the oldest ghulsworn I've ever heard of. 497 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: I said. They couldn't hide their pride. When I said that, look, 498 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: can I come in just talk to you? We can 499 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: talk out here. They stepped outside and closed the door. 500 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: There were no windows. We sat on the dock, feet 501 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: dangling over. Their fingernails and toenails were painted the blue 502 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: of dead flesh. They spent a good moment lost in thought. 503 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: Maybe we can help each other. They said, we'd never 504 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: been friendly. Avery and I. Avery hadn't any friends as 505 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: long as I'd known them. Rumors said they lost most 506 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: of theirs in a gang fight and never bothered finding 507 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: new ones. So why the swamps? You know they're afraid 508 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: of water. What I've spent the last two years studying 509 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: the fucking things learned an awful lot. They need sunlight 510 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: to function. They're not just cold blooded, they're unblooded. They're 511 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: afraid of water, not because they'd drowned they can't, but 512 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: because they'd run out of energy down there where the 513 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: sun can't reach. It's over for them. Torpor forever. You're 514 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: in the swamps, because if you see them coming, you 515 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: sink their boats. Bingo. That's it. Then just hide in 516 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: the swamps by yourself, only come out at night. Let 517 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: me tell you how to stay alive, Mary Walker. You 518 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: cling to life. You claw at it until your fingers bleed. 519 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: You tell yourself every time you take a breath that 520 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: you're going to live to take another one, that you 521 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: will live forever, no matter what it takes, no matter 522 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,360 Speaker 1: how much it hurts, no matter how much you hurt 523 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: anyone else. You sound like a ghoul in the distance. 524 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: Some animal called out like a human, quietly screaming. They 525 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: weren't always ghules. They became ghules, each of them individually. 526 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: How I asked, you know how the marrow of the 527 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: gul sworn. There's more to it than that, but it's 528 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: mostly the marrow of the ghul sworn. All the gulls 529 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: were once ghul sworn, how can that work? I don't know, 530 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: Avery said, it's the chicken in the egg. Chickens though 531 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: they eat eggs. Avery was going to try and kill me. 532 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: They were going to try to eat my bones. I 533 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: put my hands in the pocket of my hoodie and 534 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: felt the revolver. I've told you how I survived. Avery said. 535 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: Their shotgun was in their lap, and they rested their 536 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: hand on the grip. Now you can help me. For 537 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: a half second, I considered waiting for them to move 538 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: to prove their intentions. 539 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: I didn't. 540 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: I drew the revolver, held it to their throat, and 541 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,239 Speaker 1: pulled the trigger. The wind caught the mist of the 542 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: blood and brought it to my face. I couldn't hear 543 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: anything in the wake of the blast. Their eyes drew 544 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: open wide, and they started to lift the shotgun because 545 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: they didn't know they were dead already. None of us 546 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: know when we're dead already. I stood up and kicked 547 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: them into the water, and they sank. You were right, 548 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: I told Desmond, it's usually best to lead with the apology. 549 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: You want me to put you down. We sat on 550 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: the roof of his squatted factory. The moon was waning 551 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: in the sky above us. I couldn't see many stars, 552 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: not as many as I'd seen paddling out from the 553 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: swamp with a stack of Avery's notebooks piled in the canoe. 554 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: But the lights of the city are stars of their own. 555 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: Each one holds a mystery and the promise of life. No, 556 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 1: not that part, I said. You were right about not 557 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 1: clinging to life so desperately. That's the ghoul's life. I'd 558 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: rather I wasn't caught up in any of the shit 559 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,239 Speaker 1: at all. Sure, but I'd still rather be ghulesworn than 560 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: be a ghoul. That's my dead girl, Desmond said. He 561 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: took a drag from his pen. The air smelled like rose. 562 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: What's that one, I asked, Basically, just speed, he said, 563 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: has a worse come down than speed, though I'm still 564 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: working on it. You want to hit you're not selling 565 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: it well, So what's the plan If you're not gonna 566 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: let me kill you? But you're supposedly not afraid of 567 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: death anymore. Let's kill ghules, I said, How the fuck 568 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: do you kill ghoules? You got a cement mixer, right, Yeah, 569 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: it's not me. We're going to drop into the river, 570 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: I said. I like the way you think, dead girl, 571 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: stop calling me dead girl. I'll stop calling you that 572 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: when you're dead, which sounds like it'll be tomorrow. Yeah, 573 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: that's about my guess. If we're dead tomorrow, want to 574 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: get wrecked tonight? I took one long last look at 575 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: the stars of the city. Yeah, I said, yeah, I do. 576 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: And that's the story. 577 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: Dude. I used to think this this might be just 578 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 2: me being basic that I was like, I don't understand 579 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: how a book can scare you, you know what I'm saying, Like, 580 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: I was like I don't get it, but yo, you 581 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: had me in. 582 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: I was like, thank you. 583 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,239 Speaker 2: Where does this stuff come from? Man? Like, yo, like, 584 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: give me some game. What are we doing? Kill joy? Yeah? 585 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: All right, So this story, more than anything else, it 586 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: comes from, like I think a lot of subcultures, like 587 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: like Punkstone, assume they're going to live to be very old, right, 588 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: very true, And so you have this thing where you're like, 589 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: you hit thirty and then you're like, oh that's cool 590 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: now what you know? 591 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 592 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: And uh, and actually that's when life gets more interesting 593 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: and harder because you actually have to like succeed at 594 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: stuff and get things done and help people and yeah, 595 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: you know, but but you don't like know that, Like 596 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know that when I was like riding trains 597 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: in my twenties and shit. 598 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of the same with like kind 599 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 2: of like just like street life when you're like like 600 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 2: most most guys, Like even talking to one of my 601 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: close friends, he was like, I didn't think I was 602 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 2: going to live past twenty five. I was like, and 603 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 2: if I would, it'd be in jail. So like, I didn't. 604 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 2: I didn't have any plans after this, you know, it 605 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I should get married, man, yeah, have kids, 606 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 2: but like, I don't know, I have no plans after this, 607 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: Like I didn't. I didn't think i'd make it. 608 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah exactly, Like oh I should get my teeth fixed. 609 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: I like, yeah, oh I didn't. Like I didn't think 610 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: I needed those, you know, I work out. 611 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: Be healthy, Like yeah, it's happening right now. 612 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah exactly. And a bunch of people I know 613 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: have died in New Orleans. And the worst of it 614 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 1: was that a friend of mine named Flee was just 615 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: shot kind of randomly, and and at his funeral, everyone 616 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: like celebrated in the squat and then slept there. And 617 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: then the squat burned down and like, I think seven 618 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: people died gosh, and it was just like and I 619 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: didn't know. I only knew the person whose funeral it was, 620 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: and I wasn't at the funeral. I didn't know the 621 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: people who died afterwards. But it was just such a like, oh, yeah, 622 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: like this shit's hard. Yeah yeah, oh man, and so 623 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: so yeah, no, this is my this is my my 624 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 1: grand metaphor for how a lot of people don't think 625 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,480 Speaker 1: they're going to live to be old. 626 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 2: H Yeah, that's okay, man, that's powerful. Thank you, thanks Magpie. 627 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to read you another story from the 628 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 1: same book, but I'm going to read it to you. Well, 629 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: i'll read it to you in a couple of minutes, 630 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: but I'll read it to everyone else because of the 631 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: magic of time, it'll be different time. 632 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 633 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: But if folks want to check out more of what 634 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: you do, how can they do that? 635 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? Prop hip hop dot com has all the things. 636 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 2: The politics will Prop is the podcast, and it's been 637 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: quite spicy, and I've had to really work hard to 638 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 2: make it real spicy, giving how boring the political landscape 639 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: is these days. So, oh, what do you think is 640 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: going to happen. 641 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: Wait can I actually wait? So when is this going 642 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: to come out? Before the election? Yeah, before the election. 643 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: What do you think is going to happen? Not like 644 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,959 Speaker 1: necessarily who do you think is gonna win? But like, 645 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,240 Speaker 1: what do you think is going to happen? Yeah, closer landslide? 646 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: Closer landslide. 647 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 2: My my thought is it'll be not a landside, but 648 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 2: not as close as we think it's gonna be. And 649 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 2: I think, no matter what, our holidays will be full 650 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 2: of protests and riots. Yeah, Like I just think that, Yeah, 651 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 2: the holidays are they're just gonna suck this year, and 652 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 2: it's just there's going to be chaos and pending doom, 653 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 2: yeah for most of November and December, and no matter what. 654 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: That's the that's the wildest part is that, Yeah, you're like, yeah, 655 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: no matter which one of them wins, it's just yeah, 656 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: people are gonna be real mad and people aren't gonna 657 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: believe it. 658 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 2: And yeah yeah, and uh I wish it would be 659 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 2: like somebody just gets a whiff of like, you know, 660 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: smelling sense and they're just like whoa, yeah what happened? Man? Like, yeah, dude, 661 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: I had this horrible dream, you know, like this you know, 662 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 2: be rad if that went down. 663 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: But I don't remember when like the old Republican Party 664 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: was the normal enemy that we were all used to. 665 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 2: Well, they're just yeah, like they're just so quaint now when. 666 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: They say cuddly, you know. Yeah, yeah, but they had 667 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: to pretend they weren't racist in public, at least at 668 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: least they. 669 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: Was at least yeah, yeah, they pretended they weren't racist, 670 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 2: and their racism was a type of racism that I 671 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 2: could at least comprehend. Yeah, like you know, like, oh 672 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 2: I comprehend your type of racist. Yeah, you know, you 673 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 2: don't you know what I'm around your kids? Yeah, got it? 674 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: And I'll say actually again for that's just I really 675 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: like props podcast that's probably come across, But like you 676 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: do a really good job of presenting different people's perspective 677 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: on something. 678 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 2: Man. 679 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: You know, I was listening to one you did recently 680 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: where it was about this. I actually don't remember the 681 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: name of the episode, but you were just like you're 682 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: being like, this is what they think they're doing when 683 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: they say we hate gay people, or this is what 684 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: they say they think they're doing. You did a really 685 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: a job of that. 686 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 2: Thanks, Like I really pride myself in that, like like 687 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 2: again being vulnerable, Like I I'm as a in my 688 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 2: own way, a storyteller, Like you have to be able 689 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 2: to articulate multiple perspectives in multiple and that means getting 690 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 2: in those shoes understanding at least, you know, and then 691 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 2: and then to me, the proof of understanding is being 692 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 2: able to say it back, you know. So like you know, 693 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 2: the the jd vance phenomenon. I'm like, obviously I feel 694 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: the same way you do, where I'm just like, this 695 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 2: is a douchebag frat boy like that, you know. And and 696 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 2: he's not even like a cool one. Yeah, Sometimes douchebag 697 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 2: frat boys you could be like they're kind of cool. 698 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: Like yeah, drink, yeah, you know. 699 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 2: Still he's still kind of fun, you know. 700 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 3: Like, but this dude, I'm like, but I get why 701 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 3: y'all like him, you know, I get why you chose him, 702 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 3: you know. And he's doing the thing like and I'm like, oh, 703 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 3: I see why this resonates, Like because you feel about this, 704 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,840 Speaker 3: you know. Now, I don't understand why you fall in 705 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 3: for it. Yeah, but yeah, I understand why you like it. 706 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's something that like I try to I 707 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 2: try my best to be able to say you know. 708 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, and it's it's good and honestly like not 709 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: enough of what not enough of what I listened to 710 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: does that and does it well? 711 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 2: And so dude, thank you. 712 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, anyone who's listening, go check out hood politics. Yeah. 713 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 2: So at least you could tell your your uncle Dave, like, no, 714 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 2: I get it, you're dead wrong, Yeah, I get it, 715 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah. 716 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,280 Speaker 1: All right, Well, we will see you all on Wednesday, 717 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: and oh, if you're anywhere on the let's see by 718 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: the time this comes out, I will be speaking in 719 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 1: Portland in a couple of days on November first with 720 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: Robert Evans at Powell's and then I don't have the 721 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: rest of my tour dates lined up yet, but I 722 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: will be going through California and then through the South 723 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: and then up through like probably Tennessee, stuff like that. 724 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: So you should check out my substack or my Instagram. 725 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: I'll be posting those dates and or saying them on 726 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 1: the show. Want to get them figured out, and we'll 727 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: see you all on Wednesday. Cool People Who Did Cool 728 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: Stuff is a production of cool Zone Media. For more 729 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: podcasts from Cool Zone Media, visit our website. Foolzonemedia dot com, 730 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,359 Speaker 1: or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 731 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.