1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: If I am six forty, you're listening to the John 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: We were on the air from one to four, so 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: if you're not listening live, well, then pick up the 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 2: podcast John and kennon demand. So we've you posted up 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: there just after we hit four o'clock at the end 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 2: of the show. 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: Record number of listeners now are accessing and at downloading 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: and listening to the podcast, and all the April numbers 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: are in and more of you than ever, So thank 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: you very much. Yes, you never have to miss a 12 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: single moment of the show. Now you got all day 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: and night. 14 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: Next hour, we'll be looking into that horrible mass shooting 15 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: in Texas involving not only an illegal alien shooter, but 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 2: illegal alien victims and people got all over the Texas 17 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: Governor Greg Abbott for referring to both that way. 18 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: That's right. 19 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: It's hard to believe, now, dare he called the victims 20 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: illegal immigrants? 21 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 4: They were, and so was the shooter. They were all 22 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: illegal immigrants. I was merely stating a fact, that's right. 23 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: It's like describing the color of their hair, but that 24 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: was their status. 25 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: Having a tough time finding this guy and we'll talk 26 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: to Abcas about it. 27 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: What country do you think he's in. Yeah, I gotta 28 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: believe you think stayed in Texas exactly. 29 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: All right, Right now, we're going to talk about the 30 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: big story on Friday, which was a decision by the 31 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: California Air Resources Board who elected them, by the way, nobody, nobody, 32 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: they were appointed. Yes, yet they're coming after the trucks. 33 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: They're going to accelerate the adoption of zero emission medium 34 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: and heavy duty vehicles in all public. 35 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 4: And many large private fleets. 36 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: That will necessitate more than one million new electric freight trucks, 37 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: school buses, and delivery vehicles over the next twenty five years. 38 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: There's also the provisional acquire all cargo trucks entering California 39 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: seaports and rail yards to be zero emission by twenty 40 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: thirty five. 41 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: Well, there's so much wrong with this it's hard to 42 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: know where to begin. And we're going to get with 43 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: Matt Shrapp, CEO of the Harbor Trucking Association. 44 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 4: Matt, how are you welcome? 45 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 5: Hey, thanks for having me, gentlemen, another beautiful day in California. 46 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: Yes, boy, they're really coming at you. So all new 47 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: trucks entering port service has to be zero emissions beginning 48 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: January of twenty twenty four. 49 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 4: Seriously, that's in eight months, right, So what does that mean? 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 4: What does that mean? 51 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: They all have to be electric trucks? What does that 52 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: mean entering port service? Like, explain these terms. 53 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 5: So you got a first time entrant, if you need 54 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 5: to add capacity, or if you have another vehicle that 55 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 5: you need to add into the fleet, or perhaps you're 56 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 5: trying to enter the marketplace. 57 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: After one one. 58 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 5: Twenty four, it will have to be zero missions, that is, 59 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 5: non internal combustion and zero tail pipe emissions. So that 60 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 5: basically equates to battery electric or a hydrogen powered vehicle. 61 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 4: And and. 62 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: So you can't add a gas powered truck after January first, 63 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: in the state of California, you can't add that to 64 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: your fleet. 65 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 5: Not into draage service now. And dreage is you know, 66 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 5: the maritime ports as well as the Class one rail. 67 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: Yards here in the Great Great States. 68 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: But that's where you do your business diesel, right, you 69 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: do your business though at these yards. 70 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 3: Correct, exactly, that is exactly right. 71 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: Okay, there's hardly any charging stations out there, and many 72 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: don't work or they're very slow. 73 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 5: Too small for trucks, that's for sure. And you know 74 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 5: we're woefully behind on the infrastructure deployment to support this rule. 75 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 5: And you've notice the Advanced Clean Fleet's rule so for drayage. 76 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 5: You know, when we look at this one one twenty 77 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 5: four date and we take a look around the state, 78 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 5: especially in and around maritime complexes, there's there is a 79 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 5: very little charging infrastructure to say the least. 80 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 3: So I know the Port. 81 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 5: Along Beach deployed two of them, and these are heavy 82 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 5: duty chargers, you know, higher kilo one hour output. You 83 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 5: have kind of configuration to allow for pool through in 84 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 5: case someone's houlling a container behind there. But you know 85 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 5: we've got two so far in only Longly to them, 86 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 5: there's only twenty thousand trucks that are registered to do business. 87 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: Two day have in Long Beach. Well, yes, you're going 88 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: to run out of trucks to deliver things. 89 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 3: That's the fear. 90 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 5: Besides, you know, having a capacity crunch. Obviously, you know 91 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 5: the vehicles you know out the door cost up words 92 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 5: of half a million dollars. That doesn't include the infrastructure, 93 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 5: so you can imagine how that's going to creating downward 94 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 5: pressure on fleets to start either absorbing those costs or 95 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 5: of course past them all and con inflation was bad. 96 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: Now, okay, so it's going to be very costly. You 97 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: have very few places to charge. Are these trucks going 98 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: to run out of juice fairly quickly? I imagine this uses 99 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: a lot of energy. 100 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 4: Rapidly, you know. 101 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 5: I mean we're talking about eighty thousand pounds combined weight vehicles, 102 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 5: or eighty two thousand pounds if you're running natural gas 103 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 5: or a battery electric platform. There isn't weight exemption for 104 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 5: two thousand pounds. But yes, exactly, these are heavy trucks. 105 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 5: They're doing varying duty cycles that could bring them as 106 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 5: far as the Central Valley into the Inland Empire down 107 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 5: to Las Vegas, you know, Phoenix. They're not just a 108 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 5: port truck that's doing short shuttle runs all day long. 109 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 5: And even then, you know the charging times that are available, 110 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 5: even with the existing charging pedestal capacity today, well, it 111 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 5: still leaves a lot to be desired. You know, it 112 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 5: takes about fifteen to twenty minutes to fuel up a 113 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 5: diesel vehicle. You could be on the charger trying to 114 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 5: fuel up your electric truck for hours hours on the 115 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 5: output hours. 116 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 4: Well, you can't do that. They don't have superchargers for 117 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 4: trucks or. 118 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 3: Not yet, not yet. 119 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 5: You know, everyone's kind of pointing in that direction. And 120 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 5: there are some private vendors out there who are really 121 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 5: trying to get aggressive with doing some models, such as 122 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 5: trucks as a service. When you lease the truck, you 123 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 5: lease the property, you lease the kind of energy usage 124 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 5: more or less. So there's some creative solutions out there. 125 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 5: But for those people who need to rely on public 126 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 5: facing charging infrastructure, you're you're scratching your. 127 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: Head wondering exactly how you're going. 128 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 5: To keep your business open, your employees of ployd if 129 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 5: you can't charge. 130 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: But this affects our lives because all the goods we 131 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: use come through the trucks. So if you can't keep 132 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: your trucks charged, then how do we get our stuff delivered? 133 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 5: Well, you know, we need more trucks, I guess, you know, 134 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 5: depending on the range and the fueling capability. You know, 135 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 5: I've heard that you need two trucks to do the 136 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 5: same job as one truck. Obviously, it depends on duty 137 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,559 Speaker 5: cycle and where you're going, how much you're hauling et cetera. 138 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 5: But the rule of thumb is I'm going to almost 139 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 5: need to double my fleet size to create to maintain 140 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 5: the same level of business. 141 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 4: That's going to drive it. 142 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: That's going to drive up transportation costs and the costs 143 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: of the products we buy. I think costs two trucks 144 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: instead of one to deliver something. 145 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 3: That's right, that's exactly right. 146 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: Do you guys have a seat at the table here 147 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: with this whack job, these whack jobs on the California 148 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: Resources Board? Is there any countervailing influence at all? 149 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: You know, not really, I'll have to say we are. 150 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 5: At the table as well as our colleagues from the 151 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 5: California Trucking Association, the West States Trucking Association, local other 152 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 5: trucking groups, large companies, small companies. 153 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: You know. 154 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 5: I've seen grown men come to tears testifying before the 155 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 5: Air Resources Board about some of these mandates. And frankly, 156 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 5: it's more about political expediency, especially when it comes to drage, 157 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 5: than actual reality. 158 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: What's the point of all this? What is the point 159 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 4: of all this? 160 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: Depends on who you ask, yeah, to be honest. Well, 161 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 3: on the one. 162 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 5: Half, its climate change, you know, regardless of how folks 163 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 5: feel about that out there. 164 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, we're but California has there saying it 165 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: saves live The California has no effect on the world's climate. 166 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 4: It's impossible, right obviously, So what else? What else? 167 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: Economy? 168 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 4: What else is going on here? 169 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 5: It's a health impacts issue where you know, communities over 170 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 5: the decades have been disproportionately impacted by emissions coming from 171 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 5: ports and rail yards. Trucks are the easiest ones to 172 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 5: pick on, right, the authority is clear, and they have 173 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 5: the capability to pass these rules. It was bestowed upon 174 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 5: them more or less in nineteen seventy by our friend 175 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 5: Richard Nixon, who you know, signed the Clean Air Act 176 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 5: that allowed California to set their own engine standards and 177 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 5: to pursue in use standards for end users in order 178 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 5: to reach federal entertainment goals. So you have near term 179 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 5: kind of exposure, which is really what drives it. You 180 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 5: have many community men are resulted. 181 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: It's it's about it's about black and Hispanic neighborhoods. Their 182 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: air is disproportionately impacted by the trucks. 183 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: That has been stated repeated right. 184 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: Right, because they are built closer to the freeways much 185 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: closer to the delivery as centers. 186 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 5: That's that's land use policy that goes back decades obviously, 187 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 5: but you know where we're at today. The trucks have 188 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 5: gotten so much cleaner, not only from the OEM standpoint, 189 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 5: that's the original equipment manufacturers building stricter controls into the 190 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 5: internal combustion engines. 191 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: You couple that with. 192 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 5: The regulations for diesel users in California that you know, 193 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 5: we've seen your reductions from diesel particular matter over ninety percent. 194 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm just going to ask you, compared to nineteen seventy 195 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: when all this started, how much cleaner are trucks now? 196 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: Ninety tremendously? Oh? 197 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 5: Absolutely, even more so when you go back that far, 198 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 5: you could probably say you're getting close to almost one 199 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 5: hundred percent cleaner. They're not zero emissions per se at 200 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 5: the tailpipe, but they're pretty darn close. 201 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, if you've gotten to almost one hundred percent, 202 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: what's wrong with that? Why does it have to be 203 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:02,359 Speaker 1: one hundred percent if it's you know, in the nineties, Well. 204 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 5: Because they really it's not know so much about the 205 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 5: truck anymore as it is about the fuel that it's using. 206 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 5: So the fossil fuel industry is under attack, and part 207 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 5: of the strategy to clean us off of our oil 208 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 5: diet is to start with the transportation network, and trucks 209 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 5: are really first up on the chopping walk. 210 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 4: All right, Matt, thank you so much for coming on. 211 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: We appreciate it. 212 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 3: You got it. Thank you, gentlemen. 213 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 2: That's Matt Shrap's CEO of the Harbord Trucking Association. Their 214 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: response to the new zero emission rules coming for trucks. 215 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: They want to get rid of diesel and the real 216 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 2: complaint is it's coming too fast. 217 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 4: We'll talk more. 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Right 225 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: before that, we'll be talking about that mass shooter in Texas. 226 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 2: They're looking for who killed five people. 227 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 4: Including an eight year old. 228 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: There was some sort of argument centering around his shooting 229 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: off guns in his backyard. And we'll find out the 230 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: latest from Alex Stone, ABC News. But apparently everyone involved 231 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: was of the illegal immigrant kind, and that's also creating 232 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: sort of a controversy underneath the story. 233 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: Right, to distract everybody from the real issue. You had 234 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: a guy deported four times who just killed a family, 235 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: and now the crime is the Texas governor described the 236 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: killer as being an illegal alien and described the victims 237 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: the victims, right, So that really got people his description more. Well, 238 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: who anybody normal or progressive? 239 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: Jerenaly, He's on Twitter and nuts over the Texas governor. 240 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 4: That's six percent. Great. Ah, they controled the world, look 241 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 4: at this. 242 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 2: The New York Times finally weighed in on San Francisco, 243 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 2: the troubled year they're having. Well, actually it's about the 244 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: whole foods market. We told you a few weeks ago 245 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 2: that a large, expensive whole foods market has decided to, 246 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 2: as they say right now, temporarily shut down. What the 247 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: Times found out is in the thirteen months it was open, 248 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 2: there were five hundred and sixty eight emergency calls. Think 249 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, that is an amazing number, which comes 250 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: out to forty three per month. So how many days 251 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 2: are in a month generally third thirty? 252 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, more than one a. 253 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 2: Day, more than one a day emerging, and it was 254 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: mostly employees being threatened with guns, knives, sticks. Also, vagrants 255 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: came in and flung food, scream fought, and tried to 256 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: defecate on the floor. 257 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 4: Let's go through that again. 258 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: Can you imagine every day crazed, drug addicted, homeless people 259 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: throwing the food, screaming, fighting and dropping their pants and 260 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: defecating on the floor. 261 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 4: You're running a Whole Foods and then there's you. There's 262 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 4: organic food that's being exposed to. This year, the ostiago 263 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 4: cheese bagel could get pooped. 264 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 3: Oh. 265 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: One call was male with machete is back. You notice 266 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: the word back is back. Another security guard was just assaulted. 267 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: Another call says a man with a four inch knife 268 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: attacks several security guards then sprayed's store employees with foam 269 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 2: from a fire extinguisher, according to yet another call, and 270 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: then we mentioned this one in September, a guy was 271 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: found dead in the bathroom over dose of fentanyl. So 272 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 2: so Whole food says, we're closing, right because if you 273 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: were running that that that grocery store, you'd close too. 274 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 4: You don't want your employees to die, You don't want 275 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 4: to die. 276 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: You don't be responsible for that, because if somebody dies 277 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: at Whole Foods, who works there or a customer, Whole 278 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: Foods is Gonnaday. Yeah, and this is owned by Emma's On. 279 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: This is Jeff Bezos. He's not an idiot. He's not 280 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: going to lose millions and millions of dollars because San 281 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: Francisco can't put all the insane people in in a 282 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: lockdown mental health treatment center. 283 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: The store was supposed to cater to tech workers and 284 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: other professionals, part of a long term redevelopment plan downtown. Obviously, 285 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: what has happened. And boy, they opened this up during 286 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: the pandemic thirteen months ago, so they should have already 287 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: seen the trend coming that everybody's leaving. 288 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 4: Okay, but the place. 289 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: Is popular, especially you know that area of San Francisco 290 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: populated by really wealthy tech workers. I mean, the average 291 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: engineer at Facebook makes nearly four hundred thousand dollars a year. Okay, 292 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: so these are people with a lot of money. They're 293 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: living in a rich area, they're paying a lot in taxes, 294 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: and their Whole Foods has been taken over by hordes 295 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:59,479 Speaker 1: of insane homeless people who are throwing the food, drug addicts, schizophrenics. 296 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: They're divocating on the floor again, who are you voting for? 297 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: You're paying a lot of tax money and now your 298 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: whole foods is gone? What is wrong with you? 299 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: I don't understand what people are putting up with the 300 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 2: part and what they call the doom loop. Apparently the 301 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: city's gross domestic product. The government's now forecasting a seven 302 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty million dollar deficit in the upcoming two 303 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: fiscal years because of the drop off and working people there. 304 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: Activity activity in downtown San Francisco is down by two thirds, 305 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: now lower than fifty other major cities. So they've cleared 306 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: out the place of civilized people. All that's left are 307 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: the lunatics. And so there's now no store for the 308 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: civilized people anymore. Now you can't go and buy the 309 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: Debra's vegetables. 310 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 4: But don't you now have housing for the homeless? Might 311 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 4: as well? 312 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 7: Well? 313 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: That was what Elon Musk said, that maybe could use 314 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: Twitter to house the homeless of Twitter building. 315 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: You know what, that's probably where it's going to go. 316 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: There's so many empty office buildings. Was that story you 317 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: had last week? There was a building that was. 318 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was once worth hundreds of millions of 319 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: dollars three hundred million. Now it's worth sixty right right, 320 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: eighty per marked down, eighty percent off, and you still 321 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 2: can't fill it even at eighty percent off. If you 322 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 2: have a new tech company, you got the entire United 323 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: States to move into, why would you pick San Francisco. 324 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 4: Well, they're not. 325 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people have gone to Austin 326 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: and Miami's become a new hub. 327 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: So this is a this is a permanent issue that 328 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: the city has been permanently destroyed in some respects. 329 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 4: Right, all right, we got more coming up. 330 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: Johnny Ken KFI AM six forty were live everywhere the 331 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. 332 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 333 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 334 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: You can hear us from one until four on the radio, 335 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: after four o'clock. After four o'clock joined the record number 336 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: of listeners who are now hearing us on the iHeart 337 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: app John and kennon demand the podcast. 338 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's no turning back, so we are 339 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 4: going to keep moving forward. 340 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: They are going forward. They can't kill us. They may try, 341 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: but they can't kill us. 342 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 2: We could rewind the show and just kind of go back, 343 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 2: because we've now done half of it. 344 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 4: We'll just run it backwards. We'll get to four o'clock. 345 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: That's right, you can, can you run it backwards? On 346 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 2: the podcast. We're going to talk to Alex Stone next hour. 347 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 2: There's a manhunt for the mass killer in Texas. You 348 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 2: may have heard this story outside of Houston Cleveland, Texas, 349 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: about fifty miles north of Houston, there was a mass 350 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: shooting and the suspect killed five, including an eight year 351 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: old boy, hostility between neighbors. Will find out more from 352 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 2: Alex Stone. But apparently we also learned in the ensuing 353 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 2: days they're all illegal aliens, all the victims and the shooter, 354 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: and the shooter's been deported four times. 355 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 1: He was shooting his rifle and that family asked him 356 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,239 Speaker 1: to stop doing that, yes, and he said no and 357 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: blew them all away. 358 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 4: That's a big part of the story. 359 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 360 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: Anyway, Alex will have a lot more details about the 361 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: search for this man. Francisco or a Pesa before we 362 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: move on from the Bay area. One other quick note, 363 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 2: It was a kind of a fascinating story in the 364 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 2: San Francisco Gate recently. Remember we have told you that 365 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: time and time again. Stores are starting to lock up 366 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: more and more goods because they say that there's just 367 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: too much shoplifting, and this way they cut down on 368 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: the possibility that you're just going to grab something off 369 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: the shelf and run out the front door. If you 370 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: have to ask for a clerk and wait for it, 371 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: and you can be ided, you're probably less likely to 372 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: steal it. So this story in the chronicle is about 373 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: a store. If you know the Oakland area, there's a 374 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: neighborhood called Rock Ridge. 375 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 3: It's very nice. 376 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 4: I've been there on a number of occasions. That's a 377 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 4: great pizza place. 378 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 3: By the way. 379 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 2: So they've done this with a lot of products that 380 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 2: is Safeway. And the word that jumped out of the 381 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: article is it feels carceral. Okay, another word, it feels prohibitive. 382 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 4: That's the new word for prison. 383 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: So the upscale people that shop at this Safeway feel 384 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 2: that locking up all the goods is making them feel 385 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: like they're the criminals or the prisoners that. 386 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 4: Now. 387 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 2: According to the company, they claim that rising theft led 388 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 2: them to this decision, and apparently it's been extended to 389 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: more products than people remember, and the people in this 390 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: neighborhood don't understand because they don't think that this particular 391 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: store has that much shoplifting. 392 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 4: Well, how would they know. Some called the jarring hostile 393 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 4: and alienating. There's no store that's going on and you 394 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 4: have to scan your receept in a self checkout area. 395 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: There's no store that's going to lock up or make 396 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: it difficult to buy their products just for the hell 397 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: of it. No store has ever done that in the 398 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: history of stores. That wouldn't make good customers. Well its 399 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: relation sense. No, No, So nobody's done it if they're 400 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: locking up the goods. Because I've run into this multiple times, 401 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: and every single I always ask about it, just to 402 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: be paying the ass and they said, well, you know, 403 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: we're having a lot of shop lifting going on, that's 404 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: the answer every time. 405 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 4: No. 406 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: Nobody said, well, we're just trying to make it more 407 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: difficult for you to buy our products. We really don't 408 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: want you to buy our products, so we're trying to 409 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: make you get exasperated and go home. 410 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 4: Nobody has said that. 411 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 2: This is new though, that you have to scan your receipt. 412 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 2: I haven't seen that in a store yet, but I 413 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: guess that's coming out. When I've gone to a place 414 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: like best Buy. You run into a security guard the door. Yeah, 415 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: who marks your receipt like they get a red mark. 416 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 4: Going on for years? Yeah, best Buy. But I'm talking 417 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 4: about a supermarket or a drug store. I've not seen that. 418 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 4: Well it at Costco too, obviously on. 419 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: This Yes, because best Buy used to be the target 420 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: for shoplifters. A big payoff if you're because they small 421 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: here with a lot. Yeah, but now they're just they're 422 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: just clearing out all the shelves. I I'm the next 423 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: door app. Maybe you know this CVS. This isn't a 424 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 1: Tarzana debor. 425 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, no exactly. 426 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, eighteen four four one Ventura Boulevard. 427 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 2: I go. 428 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 8: I used to go there all the time. 429 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 1: Listen to this guy writes. I was just in the 430 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: CVS and there was a kid sixteen seventeen filling up 431 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: his backpack with alcohol, food and drinks. They he walked 432 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: straight out of the store, no alarm, nobody even tried 433 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: to stop him. The most blatant theft I've ever seen, 434 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: with employees watching. When I approach the employees, they told 435 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: me that's nothing. Gangs are regularly pulling up with huge 436 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: plastic bags clearing shelves in the store on a regular basis, Tarzana, Tarzana. 437 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: The employees have been told to do nothing. It's too dangerous. 438 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: They've been advised maybe follow people in the store, but 439 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: that just a noise the shoplifters. And the guy writes, 440 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: how are we okay? If this as a society, this 441 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: is absolutely nuts? If this is the norm in Tarzana, 442 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: haven't help us. Well, how's everybody voting these days? 443 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 4: Huh? Yeah, really, gotta ask yourself that, how are you voting? 444 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 4: People in San Francisco? How are you voting? 445 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean because because in the story about the Safeway, 446 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: it's baby formula. Baby formula is locked up detergent like 447 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: tied and gain. We're behind plastic doors, those pods, yeah, batteries, razors, 448 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: locked away the hard liquor obviously, uh and there there's 449 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: apparently a number of Safeways in the Bay Area with 450 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: barricades and receipt scanners. 451 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 2: In a way, I always hate punishing everybody for the 452 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: actions of a few, because you don't have, yeah, more 453 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: shoplifters than you used to, but they're obviously not a 454 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 2: majority of the people that come into the store. And 455 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: it just sometimes seems like overkill. But if they don't 456 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: have the security and we don't have the laws to 457 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: prevent this, to tamp down on this, then do you 458 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: blame stores for doing this? 459 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: Because it's not just an occasional guy stuff and meating 460 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: it into his pants. It's these gangs with large trash bags, 461 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: thirty gallon trash bags. 462 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 4: Just yes, you're right. 463 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: It has become a big operation taking their arm and 464 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: sweeping it across the shelves. I mean, baby formula has 465 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: been in short supply for a while now. They've had 466 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: supply chain problems. They closed in them or baby formula 467 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: factories because of contamination. And probably this stuff goes for 468 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: a good price online because parents are always scrambling trying 469 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: to find new sources of formula. So these guys put 470 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: it online, they jack up the price. They're making good money. 471 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 2: It's become, you're right, very organized. Now they can send 472 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 2: these people out there. They're just the dupe that go 473 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: and grab all the stuff and stick it in the 474 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 2: big bags. And then they go back and they turn 475 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: it over to someone who operates the big market, whether 476 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: it's reselling it online on these websites or whatever, and 477 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 2: they just turn it over really quickly for a profit. 478 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: And then I guess the guy who does the stealing 479 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: gets a cup. It's kind of how it works. They 480 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: become I would say, you're right. Ten or twenty years ago, 481 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 2: shoplifting was done at a very individual level. There wasn't 482 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 2: this much organization and gang's kind of stuff behind it. 483 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: You people in Tarzana, eventually your CVS is going to close, 484 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: and you'll be able to buy anything there, and you'll 485 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: be able to get your prescriptions there. 486 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 9: We had to write aid in Woodland Hills that closed 487 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 9: because there were so many problems. No from shoplifting, yeah, 488 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 9: shoplifting homeless people. There were tons of homeless people. 489 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 4: You get your medication for your serious problems. 490 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 8: Well, I didn't get it. 491 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 4: There for your serious problems. 492 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 8: And I don't have any. 493 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 4: Serious anxiety drive. 494 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 8: I don't take anything and I'm not anxious except when 495 00:24:59,480 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 8: I'm here. 496 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 4: First response answer the question, like you did. That's what 497 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 4: I noticed. 498 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 8: Well, when I come in here, you know sometimes did 499 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 8: you have. 500 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: To pop up up their gummies in your chill which 501 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: has a whole medical kit to deal with us? 502 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:14,959 Speaker 8: Really? 503 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, this story they tried to find out just how 504 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 2: much in the city of Oakland, and that's why the 505 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: a's are leaving, right. Yeah, So the number of reported 506 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: commercial thefts has gone up slightly and up and down 507 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: over the years. The number has increased by one hundred 508 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 2: and twenty percent, well since twenty eight eight. 509 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: It's not even a crime because if you're filling a 510 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: garbage bag with a bunch of groceries off the shelf, 511 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: you're not going to hit a hit nine hundred and 512 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: fifty dollars, which is the allowable limit of shoplifting. 513 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they don't prosecute Well, I think the point 514 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 2: you made earlier was the best point, and that stores 515 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 2: wouldn't do this because if it just makes shopping more 516 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 2: of a hassle, well, it's a deterrent to customers, So 517 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: they wouldn't do this unless they were weighing the losses 518 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 2: versus that, you know what, problem of alienating customers. 519 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 1: I was in an airport the other day and they 520 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: had a convenience store. I think this is in San 521 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: Francisco because their airport's more modern than Lax And I 522 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: went into the store and what you had to do 523 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: is you had to tap your credit card entering the store. 524 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 4: I was picking up a bottle of coke, and then 525 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 4: to pay for the coke. 526 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: The woman's just said, oh no, go ahead, just leave 527 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: the store, and it scanned the coke as I was leaving, 528 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: and it already had my credit card from the tapping. 529 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: So I could walk in, grab something off the shelf, 530 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: and then walk out and there's no interaction at all, 531 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: either with a clerk or even a machine, not even. 532 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 4: A self scan. You just walk out the door. So 533 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 4: that's the way the world was going. 534 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: So they certainly wouldn't set up a situation where it's 535 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: impossible to even get the product off the shelf unless 536 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: you call somebody who's got a key to. 537 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 4: Unlock the panel. 538 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: They're working towards that she could walk in and walk 539 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: out and have no conversation and have absolutely no friction 540 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: at all. 541 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 4: We got more coming up. 542 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: Johnny Ken k I AM six forty Live Everywhere iHeartRadio app. 543 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 544 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 6: AM six forty. 545 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: All right, coming up after the news at three o'clock, 546 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: we'll talk about the mass shooting in Texas which took 547 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 2: the lives of five. 548 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 4: People, including an eight year old boy. 549 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 2: We'll get all the latest from Alex Stone, ABC News, 550 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: and of course the controversy, not really, but in some years, 551 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 2: is that the governor of Texas called everybody I legal, 552 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: aliens involved in the horrific incident, the shooter, the victims. 553 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: We'll get to all of this after the news at 554 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 2: three o'clock. The story that's apparently making the rounds, and 555 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 2: we do have the audio. A Friday night, the Los 556 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: Angeles Philharmonic at Walt Disney Concert Hall. Never seen that 557 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: concert hall, John, That's. 558 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: Quite the design, you know, it's beautiful, and I've never 559 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: gone inside to see something, and I've always wanted to. 560 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: I have not either. 561 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: I haven't even taken a tour or anything, but I 562 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 2: have seen the outside. 563 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 4: The outside it's fantastic looking and unique it is. 564 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 2: It's strange. I'm looking at a picture of it, just 565 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: I haven't been there in a while. 566 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: But all buildings should have had that kind of creativity, 567 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: like instead of it being endless stucco boxes and stucco 568 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: strip balls. 569 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: Well, apparently somebody was enjoying the Philharmonic performance so much that, 570 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 2: according to many reports. 571 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 4: She had an orgasm. A is that what it sounds like? 572 00:28:52,560 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: Hey? No, no, that was her boyfriend but you failed anatomy, 573 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: didn't you. Eric, I wasn't gonna play the actual thing yet. 574 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: I was waiting for him to cueue that part up. 575 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: I was just trying to get in the movie. 576 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 4: He was setting the mood. Yeah, arousal. Do we have 577 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 4: audio of her actual Oh? Yeah we do, yeah, the 578 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 4: real one. 579 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 7: Yes. 580 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 4: Oh I didn't know that. That's what the cut. She says. 581 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: I should have read the kutcheet he does not. You 582 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: gave it to me though, Yeah I did, Yeah, you did, 583 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: you did? Oh yeah, there it is o TMZ of course. 584 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: People, yeah, they were for even The Times did a 585 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 2: story on this though it made every paper because it's 586 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: the La Philharmonic. 587 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 4: I know. 588 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: People were all over Twitter saying, yeah, some lady had 589 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 2: a screaming orgasm. Wow, it says here to the point 590 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: where the orchestra stopped playing. 591 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 4: That's really loud. Well let's see what we can hear, 592 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 4: like murdered your analysis. 593 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 9: It doesn't sound like an orgasm to me, not not 594 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 9: that I know what everybody's orgasm sounds like, but it 595 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 9: doesn't sound like that to me. 596 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 8: It sounds like she's being harmed. 597 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: Now I have a question, kind of freesty delicately. Do 598 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: you think this was self created or perhaps the boyfriend? 599 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: Or was it from the sound of the music? Is 600 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: that possible? 601 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 4: The interpretation is it's from the sound of the music. 602 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 7: I guess if she had something in there. What my 603 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 7: guess is she had something in there. 604 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 4: Kind of a portable? Are you being as literal as 605 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 4: I think you are? Yes? Eric, Well it would explain why. 606 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 9: But doesn't I mean, but seriously, you guys, does that 607 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 9: sound like an orgasm because it sounds like she's being harmed. 608 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 2: Because it doesn't sound like and Harry met Sally. 609 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 8: Let's get Meg Ryan over here. 610 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 2: Apparently never heard one like that. Well, no one said 611 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: that deper mark. Everyone thinks some people described as one 612 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: person called it a loud and full body or gas. 613 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 8: I could be wrong. I wasn't there. 614 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: But could that happen? Could you get one just from 615 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: listening to music? Is that conceivable? 616 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 8: Why are you asking me? 617 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 4: Well, you're the only one who would relate to this. 618 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 4: It hasn't happened to me. 619 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 2: I mean's being described as a scream splash moment. 620 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: If I went home tonight into the bedroom with a violin, 621 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: I mean, can I Why. 622 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 8: Don't you try it, John, report back to us tomorrow. 623 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 4: But I get that reception. 624 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: Hey, how do you want to hear Tchaikowsky's fifth depends 625 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: that song you play? 626 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: Molly Grant said that she was seated. I saw the 627 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 2: girl after it happened, and I assumed that she had 628 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: an orgasm because she was heavily breathing and her partner 629 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 2: was smiling and looking at her in an effort to 630 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: not shame her. 631 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 4: It was quite beautiful. 632 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: Molly Grant, who works for a jewelry company and lives 633 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 2: in most fields. 634 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 4: Now there is a fun girl on a day. Huh. 635 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 4: I guess the music was just that fulfilling that or 636 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 4: Eric's theory. 637 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 7: I'm telling you she had something up there. She had 638 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 7: a remote control and she was having some fun during 639 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 7: the concert. 640 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 9: We wait a second, now, I was thinking something completely different. 641 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 4: No, you thinking, well, no, I'm serious. 642 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 7: I bet she had a sex toy and it was 643 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 7: remote controlled and controlled. 644 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 4: I'm serious. I never thought of that. 645 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 8: I thought, well, I don't want to be explicit here. 646 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 7: I mean, I'm trying to be as delicate as possible. 647 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 2: I know. 648 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 9: So I was thinking that it had something to do 649 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 9: with the boyfriend. 650 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 4: Well, he might have been controlling it too. 651 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 9: Oh, that's not what I was thinking either, But never mind, 652 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 9: I'm not going to go anywhere. 653 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: Might have had the control, Yeah, and he just clicked 654 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: it on high. 655 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 8: But no. 656 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: Now, these being you know, classical music concert goers, some 657 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 2: had a different interpretation than what I'm just hearing, saying 658 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: that it was perfectly timed to a romantic swell in 659 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: the actual symphony. Wonderfully time said one that looked like 660 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 2: a natural stop Tchaikowsky's Symphony number five, the luscious main 661 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: theme was adopted for a popular love song. Tchaikowski's skillful 662 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: orchestration lifts the mood from sentimentality to high. 663 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 4: Romanticism as one as one describes it. 664 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: Right, but can you get sexually charged by the sound 665 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: of the music? 666 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 4: I understand. 667 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 2: I talked about the spectrum of people's I have never 668 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: been on that spectrum. 669 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 4: How do you visit that spectrum? 670 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 2: But it's wide and broad, so people can be turned 671 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: down by a lot of different things. 672 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,959 Speaker 4: And well, dever, what did you think the cause was 673 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 4: the boyfriend? 674 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 9: Well, I didn't think that he is using I didn't 675 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 9: think that she was using a device. I thought maybe 676 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 9: he uh huh, he was meshing around exactly. I'm trying 677 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 9: to be as delicate as I can be that getting fired. 678 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 4: We'd all rather be crude. 679 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 8: Really know what I'm saying? 680 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 4: Yes, I do, I do. 681 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: I Look, I'm not going to pretend to know how 682 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: these things happen. 683 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I know how they happen. In the middle 684 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 2: of a concert, I don't know. No time to make 685 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 2: a smooth exit. We're going to talk about the manhunt 686 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 2: for the Texas mass killer. This happened about fifty miles 687 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 2: north of Houston. Apparently some disagreement between neighbors, including the 688 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 2: fact that one guy was not gonna stop shooting off 689 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 2: his gun in his backyard, so he came over. 690 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 4: He killed five people, including an eight year old boy. 691 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 2: We'll talk to Alex Stone, ABC News for kfi X, 692 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 2: Johnny Ken kfi AM six forty Live Everywhere, the iHeartRadio app. 693 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 4: And Deborah Mark Live in the twenty four hour Cafe Isroom. Hey, 694 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 4: you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 695 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 2: You can always hear us live on kf I AM 696 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 2: six forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 697 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 2: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.