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Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling raivalry. No, no,

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Speaker 1: sibling val You don't do that with your mouth revelry.

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Speaker 1: That's good. Well, we're in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I'm doing

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Speaker 1: a television show here. I say television because no one

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Speaker 1: says television anymore. Everyone just says TV. But I like

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Speaker 1: to use the whole word. And finished today his work.

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Speaker 1: That was fine, But yesterday was special because my wife,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Hudson, say hi, Hi. She auditioned for a part

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Speaker 1: in the show. She got it. She plays my estranged wife,

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Speaker 1: and we did a scene together on camera that will

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Speaker 1: be on TV. It was pretty awesome. The last time

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Speaker 1: we did a scene together was almost exactly twenty years

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Speaker 1: ago when I met you, which actually mean said it

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Speaker 1: paired together in a scene. Little did I know that

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Speaker 1: you know might have three kids with you. So what

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Speaker 1: was it like working with me? I mean, was that

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Speaker 1: a professional? Yes? I thought you took a breath to

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Speaker 1: say something. I was waiting for you. I was professional

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Speaker 1: to make you feel ease where you were. You know

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Speaker 1: you were nervous, But it was just what it felt

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Speaker 1: like was going to the set all these years, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, just with you working, but just coming as

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Speaker 1: didn't really feel that different. It literally felt like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm always kind of on set and that kind of

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Speaker 1: It felt great. It almost felt like, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, so all of that, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean. But but yeah, I don't know it.

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Speaker 1: It was comforting to have you there. It just felt

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Speaker 1: I do a good job? And then yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: And you know, it just felt there was a mixture

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Speaker 1: it was exciting. I like loved it. It looked I

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Speaker 1: felt like I had never looked good. I thought you

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Speaker 1: looked good. Oh thanks, except your eyebrows. Yeah, they looked

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Speaker 1: a little while they were dark. They like darkened your

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Speaker 1: you noticed it. So I'm coming off of If anyone

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Speaker 1: listens to this podcast or even Daddy Issues, you know,

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Speaker 1: Definitely have come out of it. Being here was good.

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Speaker 1: It was scary at first, but I'm here now, and

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Speaker 1: was it hard for you? Yeah, I mean it was.

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Speaker 1: course I would patient. I was crying. There was certain

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Speaker 1: but it's like okay, are you okay? No, it's more like, hey,

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Speaker 1: even besides your like anxiety and time. Yeah, just generally yep.

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Speaker 1: Why do you agree? You say you you say why

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Speaker 1: you know, it's just intensifies certain things. It sounds kind

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Speaker 1: lot of what you're talking about, the vulnerability, the intimacy,

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Speaker 1: the trust in our situation had to come from me.

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Speaker 1: And so the minute that I could make you trust

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Speaker 1: how important do you think sex is in a marriage?

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Speaker 1: One being it's just nonexistent, really, and then ten being

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Speaker 1: it's you know, well, ten would probably be like your

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Speaker 1: marriage is just about sex, like only sex sexual. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess that extreme. Forget the one to ten. Let

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Speaker 1: me rephrase it, like how important? Well, how how much

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Speaker 1: does sex play into a long lasting, healthy relationship? I

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Speaker 1: mean I think a lot. I mean a lot. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say high, like eight or nine when you

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Speaker 1: were giving me a scale of one to ten. But

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Speaker 1: do you have friends who are in a like sexless marriage? Yes,

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00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: you do, Yes, and they're still in it, and and

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Speaker 1: it's is it bad? Is is the marriage bad? Or

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Speaker 1: the relationship? Like I don't think it's great because of that?

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00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: And that's why meaning is everything else sort of firing

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Speaker 1: on all cylinders? No, No, it's not. So do you

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Speaker 1: think is it chicken or the egg? Right? Do you

539
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Speaker 1: think that if they were to have sex then things

540
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Speaker 1: better or do you think you they have to sort

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Speaker 1: of shore up and heal whatever it is then specific

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Speaker 1: relationship or do you think, you know, just in general

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00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: let's just go okay, Yeah, that's a hard one. I

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00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: think depends because you know, it's it's like if you said,

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Speaker 1: if they're having if they have sex, maybe that will

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Speaker 1: heal the other issues. Right, Well, they feel the intimacy,

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Speaker 1: they feel the connection, the consummation, right, or is it

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Speaker 1: that they have to feel, you know, the connection to

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Speaker 1: have the sex, shacking or the a Would you say

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Speaker 1: that typically women, yes, have to feel a connection to

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Speaker 1: want to have sex, yes, And men have to have

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00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: sex to feel the connection. Yes, I would. I would

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Speaker 1: definitely generally obviously you know now we're getting into all that,

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00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: but yes, I would say it's usually one or the other.

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Speaker 1: And I would say it's usually right. It would be

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Speaker 1: it you know we've done over the years actually that

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00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: we've always talked about marketing and creating games. Oh yeah

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Speaker 1: and Jenga. Yeah, you know we're going to say it

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Speaker 1: right now and then it'll be fucking stolen. But you

560
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Speaker 1: know whatever, it's not like that big of an idea,

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Speaker 1: but it's just we've had a lot of fun doing it.

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Speaker 1: Well they have you know, well they have sex, but

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Speaker 1: you have to create your own. The fucking sex games

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Speaker 1: out there whenever like you going you buy or they're lame.

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Speaker 1: They're not dirty and they're not like gnarly questions. It's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, like what would you do? You're like

567
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Speaker 1: Milton or something, you know, Milton Bradley. I don't know

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Speaker 1: the game in the fifties, like imagine Milton Bradley, like hum,

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Speaker 1: I wonder literally like the Milton Bradley like home, like

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Speaker 1: like creator or you know it was like in Long

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Speaker 1: Meadow like Springfield. Oh really yeah, Milton, Milton Bradley. Look

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Speaker 1: it up. We have to call like the Garvey by

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Speaker 1: the way, who when was the last time anyone named

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Speaker 1: their son Milton? I mean think about that. Have you

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Speaker 1: heard the have you heard the name Milton? Ever? It

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Speaker 1: was probably two surnames, maybe like Milton and Bradley, like

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Speaker 1: somebody Milton and somebody Bradley. That's my guess. Oh you

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Speaker 1: think it was two creators like John Milton and Douglas Bradley. Yes,

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Speaker 1: oh maybe, I don't even know. I don't know. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking it up. Milton Bradley. Oh no, I think it's

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Speaker 1: a person. Yeah, it's a person, Milton Bradley. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: so we I don't listen to podcasts, you know, normally,

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Speaker 1: and you don't either really that much. But SmartLess that's

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Speaker 1: what I was going to say. Oh oh oh he

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Speaker 1: said it. I was leading up, but SmartLess. Yeah. Probably Springfield, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 1: Sorry guy, that fucking guy. Oh my god. He was

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Speaker 1: born in eighteen thirty six. He died in nineteen eleven. Wow.

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Speaker 1: And he was broadly Springfield, Massachusetts. Wow. Oh no, oh no,

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Speaker 1: Maine and then he died in Springfield. Oh wow. So

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Speaker 1: back to the sex thing real quick though, because we

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00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: didn't talk about it, we discovered this. Oh do we

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00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: discover the summer honeymoons. Only first did sexual Yachtae because

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Speaker 1: we brought travel Yachtzi with us on the airplane in

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Speaker 1: the train. That's right, that's why we brought travel Yatzi

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Speaker 1: and like our honeymo something, but we did boggle to

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Speaker 1: But Yachtzi was the first. We did Yachtzi and we

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Speaker 1: play thing on that. Yeah, but we played sexual Yatzi.

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Speaker 1: And what we did was if you know Yatzi, you

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Speaker 1: making you know, pairs three of a kind, four of

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Speaker 1: a kind, full house, straight, straight, flush with flush with

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Speaker 1: the dice, and you get a certain amount of rolls.

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Speaker 1: And then if you get yatzi, it's fifty points, and

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Speaker 1: it's when you get all of the same number, and

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Speaker 1: each category represents a certain amount of points. We took

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Speaker 1: the points away and we wrote sexual favors that we

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Speaker 1: would want done to us or we would want to

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Speaker 1: do to the other person in those lines. So instead

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Speaker 1: of twenty points for a straight flush or whatever it

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Speaker 1: would be, you know, go down on me for twenty seconds, boom,

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Speaker 1: And we wrote those in and then we played yatzi.

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Speaker 1: And so when Aaron got to you know, got three

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00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: of a kind, it was like, oh, three of a kind,

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Speaker 1: and you read it and it's like got, got, got.

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00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: But sometimes it was like it would get really like dirty.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sometimes you get dirty, you know, make out.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it would be like crazy dirty. Sometimes you'd be like,

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Speaker 1: you know, like it's okay, I just say what are

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Speaker 1: you going to say? Okay enough, people can use their

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Speaker 1: own imagine. Okay, fine, But anyway, it's crazy because the

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Speaker 1: rules of the game that you create for yourselves. Are

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Speaker 1: you can't just fucking go at it, so then you

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Speaker 1: do those sexual favorite but then you don't. You don't

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Speaker 1: have sex like that's the rule, and it builds it

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Speaker 1: up because you have to play the whole game until

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Speaker 1: somebody wins, and it's that's a game changer. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we didn't need it needed it was just like super fun,

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Speaker 1: but Honeymoon, I don't know what we want. What I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is my point is is that for people who

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Speaker 1: have lost a little bit of spark, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Are you saying with us, No, I'm saying

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Speaker 1: we didn't. I'm saying for people who did, right, you

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Speaker 1: play that game. It creates something and then we did

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Speaker 1: with Jenga. Well, it's also you're just kind of recreating

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Speaker 1: your your foreplay, you know, which can kind of go

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Speaker 1: to the wayside or get rushed sometimes. But what this

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Speaker 1: does is it creates a curio. It's a mystery too

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Speaker 1: of like what what's next? Meaning like the order is

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Speaker 1: all over the place, so you could all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it could be something crazy that you start with and

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Speaker 1: then you're back to like just playing a little Nazi

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Speaker 1: teas and then a little thing and then you know,

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Speaker 1: and it could be like three things in a row

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Speaker 1: that you're doing to your partner right right, right right,

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Speaker 1: and then it's like goes back to you or you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just it plungs it and you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: then Djenga too is the same ember we wrote on

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Speaker 1: the blocks. So when you pull out a block, it's

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Speaker 1: like instead of you know, you know, you right on

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Speaker 1: the sides and it's like whatever it is you want

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Speaker 1: to do, I have done boom. I think it's extremely important. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: very important, ye, because otherwise I could, you know, if

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Speaker 1: I had no, if we didn't, if you don't have

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Speaker 1: a sexual relationship, then I might as well be raising

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Speaker 1: kids with, you know, my best friend. Yeah, which I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, nothing against that. I'm sure there's some people

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Speaker 1: that do that, but no, yeah, no for sure. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's people. I mean there might be,

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Speaker 1: but not a lot of people who's raising a kid

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Speaker 1: with their best friend. I mean that's weird. I know

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Speaker 1: you're trying to be PC, I get that, but you

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Speaker 1: really think about it, like they've become best friends or

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Speaker 1: they've decided to stay, like you know, just after the fact. Yeah, like,

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Speaker 1: hey to your best friend, you woant have raised? No? Hey, John, like,

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Speaker 1: hey let's raise this kid. No, okay, so you're meaning

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Speaker 1: they're together and that now they're best friends and okay okay, no, no,

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Speaker 1: for sure, No, I thought I was taking it. Well,

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Speaker 1: this was fun. I love talking to you, all right.

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Speaker 1: Hey Brooks Bartlett, father of Aaron Bartlett. If you listen

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Speaker 1: to this, I'm sorry, pal, all right, I love you.

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Speaker 1: Sibling Revelry is executive produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: Producer is Alison. President, editor is Josh Wendish. Music by

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Speaker 1: Mark Hudson aka Uncle Mark. If you want to show

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