1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb. 3 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 3: And I am Joe McCormick. And today on Weird House Cinema, 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 3: we're going to be talking about the nineteen sixty two 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 3: fantasy adventure The Magic Sword starring Basil Rathbone, directed by 6 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 3: bert I. Gordon, the director of another film we've covered 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 3: on Weird House Cinema at least one other. Gordon was 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 3: the director of Attack of the Puppet People. Also known 9 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: as Mister Big Big his initials, he was well known 10 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 3: for shrinking and blowing up things in his movies, either 11 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 3: making little things big or making big things little, and 12 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 3: we get some of both in this one. 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: That's right. One of the things about The Magic Sword 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: from nineteen sixty two is that it is a special 15 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: effects spectacular. You're gonna there's so many special effects coming 16 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: at you, some of them very noticeable and and others 17 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: you can easily take for granted, especially today, where you 18 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: know various things like, for instance, the magic mirror that 19 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: we see in the movie. You know, it's an impressive 20 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: special effect, and it's it's one of just many, many 21 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: special effects that are used to create this magical world 22 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 2: of love and happiness, but also horror and mutilation. 23 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 3: Now, Bert Eye Gordon was well known for making sort 24 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: of low budget, B grade movies, movies that a lot 25 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 3: of people would would call hack but or in many 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 3: ways quite enjoyable. You know, the King Dinosaur and stuff 27 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 3: like that, movies that ended up on Mystery Science Theater 28 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 3: three thousand. 29 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: As did this one. 30 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: I've actually never seen that episode, but this, from what 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 3: I understand, is widely regarded as one of his best movies, 32 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 3: and I can see why it it has it still 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: has some of the hallmarks of his other stuff. Like 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 3: it has some i would say, texturally or tonally inappropriate 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: special effects that actually do look pretty good, but they 36 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: don't fit the vibe of the movie. Like the movie 37 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 3: is ostensibly, you know, sort of a fun, magical adventure 38 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: almost maybe aimed at a younger audience, aimed at kids, 39 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 3: but it also has just absolutely unnerving, almost perverse gore 40 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: in it. 41 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would compare it in a way to Peter 42 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: Jackson's King Kong in that respect. You know, moving made 43 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: by you know, a consumant pro somebody that also had 44 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: a great lot of experience with the special effects creating 45 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 2: a film that is aimed at a very wide audience, 46 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: very mainstream audience, but ends having some moments of just 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: extreme horror or well, I don't know. In the case 48 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 2: of The Magic Sword, it might be a bit much 49 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: to say extreme horror, but still are that does seem 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 2: maybe a little out of pace with the rest of 51 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: the picture, and seems to have been out of pace 52 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 2: at the time. I mean, there were some seemingly strong 53 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: reactions to this. I was reading that upon initial release 54 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: the British Film Board gave it an X rating. They right, No, 55 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 2: you were not having any of this. And later, you know, 56 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: some things get adjusted and it comes out. 57 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 3: It's kind of like if you imagine Disney's The Sword 58 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: and the Stone, but if it included a lot of 59 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: close ups of nights being melted by acid and radiation. 60 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, And in that, you know, radiation 61 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: is a hallmark of other bird Eye Gordon pictures and 62 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: that element is at least visually present in this that 63 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 2: nobody's calling it radiation. 64 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: But another one of the things that I would single 65 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: out this movie for is it has some deliciously hammy 66 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: performances especially the ones from Estelle Wyndwood and Basil Rathbone 67 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: as the two main sorcerers in the movie, they are 68 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: hamming it up. It's some all time ham here. 69 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of other bird Eye Gordon films don't 70 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: necessarily have as strong of human performances, and this is 71 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: a film that really has the human special effects at 72 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: least in a couple of roles to match up with 73 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: the the the actual special effects. So yeah, I think 74 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 2: it is a really solid, enjoyable picture, and yeah, it 75 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: is often sided just one of Burnye Gordon's best. 76 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: Now, I'm trying to think, have we done another high 77 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: fantasy movie on weird house with like knights and wizards 78 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 3: and stuff like that is the closest we've come to that, Krull. 79 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: Oh, well, I mean we did Crawl. I mean you 80 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: you could. You could also think of another sword. You 81 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: can think of a thrilling, bloody sword, though that's a 82 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: little bit different. We of course did Conquest, uh so uh, 83 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: and I imagine I'm forgetting one or two. But you know, 84 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 2: we do touch in on the the epic fantasy of 85 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: different shades now and again. 86 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a I guess all of those have elements 87 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 3: of this, so so I would say all of the 88 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: weird grotesque texture aside, which makes this movie wonderful. Just 89 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 3: in terms of straight plot content, this is the most 90 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 3: down the middle high fantasy we've done, and. 91 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: Yet there are a number of just real bonkers elements 92 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,119 Speaker 2: to it that are going to be fun to get into, 93 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: like just in terms of like, yeah, like the textures 94 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: are all sort of traditional mainstream fantasy, but some of 95 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: the things that the screenplay does with it I ended 96 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: up really admiring. All right, So what would your elevator 97 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: pitch be for the magic sword? 98 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 3: Oh? Can I not do sword in the stone? But 99 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 3: with radiation melting? I guess we already said that. Let's see, that's. 100 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 2: Olid, we can stick with it, stick with what works. 101 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: Let me try another one. Let's say George A an 102 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: adventurous young lad of only twenty years old fus It's 103 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: debatable in the movie whether he is supposed to be 104 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: understood as a child or not. At the age of twenty, 105 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 3: he falls in love with the princess without ever having 106 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 3: met her. He just like observes her through magical TVs 107 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: of various sorts. Then she is kidnapped by a wizard 108 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 3: and he must come to her rescue and brave seven 109 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 3: perils and curses along the way, and it's gonna be gross. 110 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: The curses are all amazing. The titular magic sword is 111 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: probably the fakest looking thing in the whole picture. Yeah, 112 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 2: so it is kind of weird that, like, that's the 113 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: selling point. And the poster says the most incredible weapon 114 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: ever wielded. 115 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: So funny because yeah, it does not look incredible. It's 116 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 3: one of the least good props and effects in the movie. 117 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: It looks very flimsy, very plastic. It's the sword is 118 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: kind of lame. 119 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: Its special power is set manipulation, and it fails halfway 120 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: through the picture. 121 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is funny. It has the power to 122 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 3: open doors. Wow. But you know what I do like. 123 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: I like a version of the sword that completely misrepresents 124 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: what it's like in the movie. The I think it's 125 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: either the Italian or the Spanish poster for the movie 126 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: La Spada Magica that makes the sword look really cool. 127 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's glowing. I don't think it ever really 128 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: glows like this. And you also have a great image, 129 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: a great drawing of Basil Rathbone has Lodak in the background, 130 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: looming large. 131 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: All right, should we do some trailer audio. 132 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: Let's do that trailer audio. 133 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 4: I am Sir George, possessor of a magic saw, my his powers. 134 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: I will lead you on the sun great adventure. 135 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: Each one might hear the leon. 136 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: Together we will go where no man has ever gone, 137 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 4: into the land of terror itself, where the superman of 138 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: evil is king. Let no man race my seven cousins 139 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 4: and reached the dragons. Together we will dare the demon 140 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 4: of the green Flame. See the white hot face of 141 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 4: the fiery rock. Enter the mammoth cave that closes behind you, 142 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 4: where humans are trapped and tombed. Brave the volcanic inferno 143 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 4: of the boiling crater. See the miracle of the magic Sword. 144 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 4: Battle the gigantic ogre. 145 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: Ah. 146 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 4: You will be thrilled to the hill by the magic sword. 147 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 4: None like it since the world began two thousand year 148 00:08:41,640 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 4: old legend Hollywood waited until now to tell the Magic Sword. 149 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: All right, So you might be wondering at this point, well, 150 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: where can I watch the magic Sword? Well, it is, 151 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: at first glance, widely available. You know you can. You 152 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 2: can find the mst through K version. I think Riff 153 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: Tracks did a version of it. You know, usual caveats 154 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: on on riff content. You know, it's like it can 155 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: be a lot of fun and so forth, but you're 156 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: are going to lose some scenes, especially in the MST 157 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: three K episodes. And I have to say, even though 158 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: this one looks like it's streaming everywhere, I initially like 159 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: marked it to stream on a on a prime channel. 160 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: I went and queued it up, started watching it terrible quality. 161 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: I ended up having to watch it kind of like 162 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: last minute. I found a YouTube stream that was in 163 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: higher death and so I have to say my main 164 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: recommendation for watching The Magic Sword is make sure you 165 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: watch it in as good a quality as possible, because again, 166 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: this is a special effects film, and if you watch 167 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: it in high depth, it looks really nice, has some 168 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: wonderful colors and textures to it, and that's just lost 169 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: in the grated version. I would recommend grabbing it on 170 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: physical media. Kale Studio Classics put it out on Blu Ray. 171 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: I think that's probably the way to watch it. If 172 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: you can find an official stream that's good quality, great, 173 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: but it looks like a lot of them are not. 174 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, there are a lot of kreuddy rips 175 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: out there. 176 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's get into the cast and crew here, 177 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 2: or some of the highlights of the cast and crew. 178 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: As usual, we can't highlight everybody that made the picture happen, 179 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: but yeah, starting at the top, Bird Eye Gordon, director, producer, 180 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: story credit, special visual effects, along with his wife, I believe, 181 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 2: and he lived nineteen twenty two through twenty twenty three, 182 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: the legendary mister Big, as we've been saying, an icon 183 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: of nineteen fifties B cinema. His earliest credit is producer 184 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: on fifty four Serpent Island, and he moved on into 185 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: the director's chair and the writing chair with his follow up, 186 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 2: fifty five's King Dinosaur. We talked about him a greater 187 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: length than our episode on the fifty eight film Attack 188 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 2: of the Puppet People. Other films of note include the 189 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: amazing Collossal Man from nineteen fifty seven that I think 190 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: we absolutely will do if we get a proper release 191 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: of it and I can watch it in decent quality 192 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: Earth Versus a Spider from fifty eight, Village of the 193 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: Giants from sixty five, an Empire of the Ants from 194 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: seventy seven. 195 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: Did we ever figure out what's going on with the 196 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 3: rights to Amazing Colossal Man, Like why is there not 197 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 3: a good Blu Ray of that? 198 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,960 Speaker 2: I don't know the answer I checked in. I haven't 199 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: checked in recently on it either, so it's entirely possible 200 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: something's been announced and I haven't missed it. I try 201 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: and pay attention to the various channels and so forth 202 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: that would announce this sort of thing, but sometimes it 203 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: slips through. I have no idea, Like Amazing Colossal Man 204 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: is such a tremendously fun movie that it needs to 205 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 2: have a proper Blu Ray release, and I don't know 206 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 2: what's holding that back. Far lesser films are getting elaborate 207 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: Blu Ray releases. 208 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 3: Agreed, And I do want to emphasize again I sort 209 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: of said this up top, but despite Bird Eye Gordon's 210 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 3: reputation and the dullness of some of his other movies, 211 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: this one is I would say this is a well 212 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: made film like it just it's got energy. It just 213 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: zips right along, and it's fun even if you're not 214 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 3: in it. For the weirdness of the texture is the 215 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 3: way that we are. I think you're probably not going 216 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 3: to be bored by this one. 217 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, the plot moves right along, and yeah, we have 218 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 2: to give credit. Screenplay credit to Bernard see Schoenfeld, who 219 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: lived nineteen oh seven through nineteen ninety American screenwriter. His 220 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 2: first screen credit state back to nineteen forty four's Phantom Lady. 221 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: His other credits include fifty eight The Space Children. That 222 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: was one directed by Jack Arnold, who've talked about on 223 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: the show before, and he did a lot of TV work, 224 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: including sixteen episodes of Alfred Hitchcock Presents, and one episode 225 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: of The twilight Zone from Agnes with Love about a 226 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: computer technician who begins to take advice from a computer 227 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: that he has fallen in love with. 228 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: Wait, is that the original Twilight Zone? Oh that's original? 229 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I should stress that because I know there 230 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: have been like thirty or four different iterations of the 231 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: twilight Zone at this point. This was original Twilight Zone 232 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: and also original Alphad Hitchcock Presents, because there were at 233 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: least two different versions of that as well. 234 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 3: I guess I didn't realize they were doing fall in 235 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 3: love with the computer stories back then. 236 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean the various sci fi writers 237 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 2: and horror writers of the time, like a lot of 238 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: that stuff was. It still holds up today, at least 239 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 2: from a plot and script standpoint. Yeah, so yeah, on 240 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: the whole, I love the weird energy and the interwoven 241 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: schemes in this picture. We'll get into all that again. 242 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: It depends on a lot of the textures of traditional 243 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 2: old timey fantasy films and likely swashbuckling fantasies as well. 244 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: But I'm just not that up on But the plotting 245 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: feels pretty fresh and at times really bonkers. 246 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 3: It does bring just like warm jets of zaniness that 247 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: just keep coming in anew. There are multiple things in 248 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 3: the movie that, you know, I almost kind of wonder 249 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 3: if they were actually in the script, or if it 250 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 3: was in the original draft of the script, or if 251 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: it was just like bird Eye Gordon Floor Gordon saying 252 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 3: we can do this kind of effect. What if we 253 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 3: had some people trapped in a tiny cage, you know, 254 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: what if we had this or that and they just 255 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 3: wanted to show it to you. 256 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 2: So here it is. Yeah, and this is the guy 257 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: who figured out how to weave all that together into 258 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: a coherent plot, because yeah, it has like all of 259 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: these things, like it seems like he maybe had a 260 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: checklist to work with. 261 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we've already done the attack of the puppet people. 262 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: Let's just put some puppet people in. 263 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: There, people giants of some sort. Yeah, all right, let's 264 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 2: get into the cast here. As we mentioned, oh, we 265 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: have the wonderful Basil Rathbone in this playing the evil 266 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: and vain wizard Lodac. We talked about Rathbone before. He 267 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: lived eighteen ninety two through nineteen sixty seven, South African 268 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: born English actor with a very long history on stage 269 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: and screen. He popped up in sixty six is Queen 270 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: of Blood, but I have to say, yeah, yeah, he 271 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 2: was in it, but very forgettable because he It's difficult 272 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: to compare that Basil Rathbone to this Basil Rathbone because 273 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: we get like full powered, you know, hamming it up 274 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 2: Basil Rathbone in this picture, and what we saw in 275 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: Queen of Blood was a lot more subdued. 276 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: I truly did not remember he was in that. I 277 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: remember Dennis Hopper more than him. 278 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't think rath I think ratt was 279 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 2: one of those pictures where Rathbone did his stuff in 280 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: like one or two days. He's just an ultimately very 281 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 2: small role in the picture. But in this, I mean 282 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: he's in almost every scene. 283 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: He's in some scenes he's not in in this. 284 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, his energy resonates through the picture. But yeah, 285 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: I'm not going to get in all the details, but yeah. 286 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: He started appearing in films during the early twenties, often 287 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: in Swashbuckler's always you know, Buckling that swash. He stayed 288 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: active on stage, won a Tony Award in nineteen forty eight, 289 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: and he was nominated for two Oscars I Believe nineteen 290 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: thirty nine's If I Were King and a nineteen thirty 291 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 2: seven adaptation of Romeo and Juliet. He also had a 292 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: big footprint in horror and detective series. He played Sherlock 293 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: Holmes multiple times, and he played Baron von Wolf in 294 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 2: nineteen thirty nine Son of Frankenstein, the third Universal Frankenstein film, 295 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: with Carloff and Bella Legosi. 296 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 3: I feel like Rathbone was sort of on the second 297 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 3: tier of the great horror stars. If you have like 298 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: Karloff and Legosi at the very top, that the level 299 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 3: under that is where Rathbone hangs out. 300 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, tremendous talent, and again we get to 301 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 2: see him firing on all cylinders in this picture. Very 302 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: energetic performance, just captivating. And also, you know something that 303 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 2: I think is always admirable when you have an actor 304 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: of this caliber is that he does seem to bring 305 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: a little extra out of the other players in their 306 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: shared scenes. 307 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, in every scene he's in, it feels 308 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: like the other actors are having fun with him. 309 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I would say some of the most fun 310 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: we have is when you have has interactions with our 311 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: next actor, and that's Estelle Wynwood, who plays Sybil, the 312 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: which foster mother of our hero, Sir George. 313 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 3: She has her own kind of excellent handiness. So Rathbones 314 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 3: Hamminess is, Yeah, like you said, he's this arrogant, vain, 315 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: you know, pompous wizard who's who's just like can't stand 316 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: to have his ego pricked. Meanwhile, Stelle Winwood's sorceress is 317 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 3: she's like very checked out. She's almost like half of 318 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 3: her brain is not on this plane of existence. 319 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, she's been raising this twenty year old boy 320 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: all by herself, and she doesn't get a lot of 321 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 2: help from the chimpanzee or the the conjoining twins or 322 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: two headed I'm not sure exactly what's going on with 323 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: that character. But these these folks are not helping her 324 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 2: out a lot around the house. And clearly, as we'll 325 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 2: discuss Sir George, it's is a lot to handle. And yeah, 326 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 2: so she she can't have she doesn't have her head 327 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: in her scheme all the time. And it's you know, 328 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 2: it's also established early on, like she's not the best 329 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: witch or wizard in the world. You know, Lodak is 330 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: a towering figure and she rates you know, a good 331 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 2: bit down the list. But still she's a good witch ultimately. 332 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: But she's not afraid to get her hands a little. 333 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 3: Dirty, that's right. Well, unlike Lodak, she has the power 334 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 3: of love in her corner. 335 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: That's right. So. Stelle Winwood lived eighteen eighty three through 336 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four English actress of stage, screen and TV, 337 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 2: who had a very long and celebrated history career here 338 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: in the US. She made her Broadway debut in nineteen sixteen. 339 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: In her first film roles in the early nineteen thirties, 340 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: but some of her biggest, most memorable films were from 341 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: the fifties and sixties, including nineteen fifty nine's Darby O'Gill 342 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: and the Little People. She plays the mom of the 343 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: town bully pony, who of course gets into at least 344 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 2: a couple of punch ups with Sean Connery. I've never 345 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: seen that. It's it's tremendous fun. I mean, Stell was 346 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: great in it, and then everyone else is great, and 347 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 2: it's it's just a really fun, you know, old timey 348 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: Irish fantasy film. 349 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: You've brought it up before as the I think in 350 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 3: the context of being a pre Bond Sean Connery. 351 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I highly recommend it. It's great Saint Patrick's 352 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: Day viewing in my opinion, or at least you know, 353 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 2: I grew up watching it on Saint Patrick's. 354 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: Day anyway, Okay, I'll have to see it sometime. 355 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: But Winwood was also in nineteen sixty four's Dead Ringer, 356 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: sixty seven's Camelot as well as the producers both two 357 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: huge films in sixty seven, and her final film role 358 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 2: was in nineteen seventy six, is Murdered by Death. Like 359 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: I said, when it comes down to interactions between Sybil 360 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: and Lodac, they're so much fun. Even when they're not 361 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: actually in the same space at the same time. They 362 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: have a wonderfully spicy interaction just via closed circuit magic 363 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: mirror at one point. 364 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, despite the fact that, I mean, this is 365 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 3: a silly movie and it's hard to get too wrapped 366 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: up in the you know, in the battle of good 367 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: and evil in the plot here. But nevertheless, I did 368 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: find her defeat of Lodak at the end of the 369 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: movie very satisfying. 370 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, all right, let's move on to Sir George, 371 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 2: who again Sybil has been raising as her foster son, 372 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: played by Gary Lockwood born nineteen thirty seven. Former stuntman 373 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 2: and stand in for Anthony Perkins. He's probably best remembered 374 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: as doctor Frank Poole in nineteen sixty eight two thousand 375 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: and one A Space Odyssey. You know, we've talked before 376 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 2: about actors from two thousand and one A Space Odyssey 377 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 2: kind of like classing up the joint in pictures. We 378 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 2: talked about that in Gorgo right. I don't know, I 379 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: don't quite get the same effect with Lockwood's presence here. 380 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 2: This one man he plays he plays a real goober, 381 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: a lovable goober, and a young boy of twenty He 382 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: was actually I think twenty four to twenty five filmed old. Yeah, 383 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: and then there are other weird We'll get into some 384 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: of the other weird aspects about his character. What sort 385 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: of home environment he has here in this Witch's Layer. 386 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it's weird, but it's kind of sweet. 387 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's sweet. He's sweet anyway. Lockwood had a 388 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 2: memorable guest role in the third episode of Star Trek, 389 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 2: the original Star Trek, the episode where No Man Has 390 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: Gone Before from nineteen sixty six. I believe he's a 391 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 2: crew member who gets possessed by an alien force. His 392 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 2: other credits include sixty one Splendor in the Grass, the 393 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three Elvis movie It Happened at the World's Fair, 394 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty nine's Model Shop, in nineteen ninety five's Night 395 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 2: of the Scarecrow, also in the nineteen sixty one Elvis 396 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: movie Wild in the Country. 397 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 3: Wait, what happened at the World's Fair? 398 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 4: It? 399 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 3: What was it? 400 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: I don't know, you know. I meant to reach out 401 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 2: to my aunt to who's an expert on all these 402 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: Elvis movies, and ask her about these two and find 403 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,239 Speaker 2: out if these are good ones or not. I had 404 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 2: not heard of either of them, but I didn't get 405 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 2: the chance to reach out to her, So I have 406 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: to pick up the thread on that in listener mail. 407 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna choose to believe the Elvis movie It 408 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 3: Happened at the World's Fair is about the HH Holmes murders. 409 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that's it. All right, we have we've 410 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,120 Speaker 2: been talking about Sir George. Of course he's gonna he's 411 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 2: fallen in love with the princess. The princess is Princess Elaine, 412 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: played by Anne Hilm born nineteen thirty eight. Her biggest 413 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: film was probably the nineteen sixty two Elvis movie again, 414 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: follow that Dream, And I cannot tell you what the 415 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 2: dream in question is, but this is a movie about 416 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: following it. She's also in the nineteen sixty nine horror 417 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: film Nightmare in Wax, starring Cameron Mitchell as the mad 418 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 2: wax Master. This one I have seen. This is how 419 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: my movie viewing history tends to go. 420 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: I think we talked about this one in our episode 421 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 3: on wax. Well, we did an episode on like the 422 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 3: science of wax, but then also talked about wax horror movies. 423 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one that fels very grimy and sweaty. 424 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: I remember a lot of close ups of Cameron Mitchell's 425 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 2: face looking kind of sweaty. 426 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 3: He's got an eye patch in it. 427 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the one where he has an eye patch. 428 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: Not the best Wax movie, but still very much an 429 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: important entry in the wax Master franchise. 430 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 3: It's hard to beat Vincent Price's House of Wax. 431 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the absolute best. 432 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 3: Now, maybe we should save this for later, but I 433 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 3: just want to say it now so I don't forget. 434 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: I feel like we should do a compare and contrast 435 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 3: on Vincent Price versus Basil Wrathbone, because I feel like 436 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: they have a lot of qualities but also some hard 437 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 3: to define differences that are nevertheless important. 438 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: Hmmm, well, yeah, I feel like Vincent Price was better 439 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: at conveying kind of like the the internal mechanisms of 440 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: his scheming, you know, whereas wrath Bone, especially in this 441 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: there is a sense that he's he's not considering you 442 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: much at all. Like his enemies, He's very dismissive of 443 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: their abilities, you know. That's his level of vanity and arrogance, 444 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 2: at least as he plays it up in this character. 445 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: And I feel like in you know, certainly Vincent Price 446 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 2: could play some vain and evil characters but there was 447 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 2: always a sense that no, he wasn't he wasn't underestimating 448 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 2: you per se. He was thinking long and hard about 449 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: your various strengths and weaknesses. 450 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: I think that's right. Yeah, that's very astute. I would 451 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 3: say if Vincent Price had been in this role, I 452 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 3: think you would have played it a little bit colder 453 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: and would you would have seen him taking the stock 454 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 3: of George and his allies more than just kind of, 455 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 3: you know, batting at them like a gnat that's bothering him. 456 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, he would have seen Sybil as more of a 457 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: rival and not as an ant. He seems to see 458 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: everyone as just mere pieces on the chessboard. 459 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 3: Oh but hey, Basil Rathbone is not the only bad 460 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 3: guy in this movie. We actually get multiple Hammi villains. 461 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: That's right. We have Sir Brandon, who is a romantic 462 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 2: rival for the princess's heart and a seemingly brave knight 463 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 2: at first, but we get a series of twists that 464 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 2: reveal that no, he's not here to make friends, he's 465 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: not here to play fair. He'll do whatever it takes. 466 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 2: He's here to kick you in the acid, Yes, kick 467 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 2: you in the button, make you fall on the Acid, 468 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: played by Liam Sullivan, who lived nineteen twenty three through 469 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, very very fun character, and the 470 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: performance here provides I think, a nice dry counterpoint to Lodac. 471 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 2: You know, like you're not gonna have You can't have 472 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: two villains that are going for that level of hammed 473 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 2: up villainry. This is the right level for your secondary villain. 474 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess you're right about that. I did identify 475 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 3: him also as a hammy performance, but it's in a 476 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: different way than Basil Rathbone, not at the same level, 477 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 3: and it has a different quality. It's more kind of sneering. 478 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 3: It has a sneering, snidely whiplashiness to it. 479 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, still solid villain for sure. Sullivan was an 480 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 2: American actor of TV and film. I'd say mostly TV. 481 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 2: He did episodes of Star Trek Original, Twilight Zone, Original 482 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: Man from Uncle, and his film credits include sixty Five's 483 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 2: That Darn Cat, eighty four is What Waits Below, and 484 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: the nineteen eighty six film Wisdom all Right. The next 485 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: character is credited as Mignonette. I don't remember if they 486 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 2: call her this in the film. She's a seducer, a witch. 487 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: We find out some sort of a hag creature. 488 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 3: The false magical mask of a witch that is used 489 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 3: to seduce a knight who is French. And they explain 490 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: this in the plot. They're like, well, he's French, you know, 491 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 3: so he's into pretty ladies. So she is the pretty 492 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 3: lady form of the evil witch who wants to bite 493 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 3: his neck and I don't know, drink his blood maybe, 494 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. 495 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: Blood blood there for sure. Yeah, And she falls into 496 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: some of the other schemes of Lodak as we see. 497 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 2: But she's played by Nielle de Metz born nineteen thirty eight, 498 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 2: French born actress who worked in American film and television. 499 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: She appeared in nineteen fifty nine's Return of the Fly, 500 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 2: which you know, if you haven't seen, you might remember 501 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: from the Misfits song, and she had a small part 502 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 2: in Blake edwards nineteen sixty eight film The Party. Mostly 503 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: active in the sixties and seventies, she was nominated for 504 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: an Emmy for a special guest part on The Man 505 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 2: from Uncle in nineteen sixty four. 506 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: I don't believe I've seen Return of the Fly. Does 507 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 3: she become a fly? 508 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I haven't seen it either, 509 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: have just seen stills in which a fly headed man 510 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 2: is approaching her and she is screaming. Well, so, I 511 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 2: don't know if she's like the main heroine of the 512 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 2: picture or if she's just like an early victim. I'm 513 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 2: not entirely certain, but there are a number of stills 514 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: of her in the picture. 515 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 3: Nobody likes to get cornered by a flyhead guy at 516 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 3: a party? 517 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: No, absolutely not all right? And then finally, the score 518 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: is by Richard Markowitz, who lived nineteen twenty six through 519 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four. Emmy nominated composer best known for his 520 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: work on such TV shows as Murder. She wrote Mission Impossible, 521 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: though I knew do need to stress that he did 522 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: not write the theme music for either of these series. 523 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: He's the father of singer Kate Markowitz, who also worked 524 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 2: as a backup singer for such artists as James Taylor, 525 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: Randy Newman, Katie Lang, and Warren Zevon. Her two thousand 526 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: and three solo album was Map of the World. But 527 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: as far as as Richard Markowitz's work goes, there are 528 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 2: plenty of places in this score that are very traditional 529 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: highlighting either like the sweeping mainstream drama of the thing 530 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 2: or some nutty high jinks, nutty magical hijinks. But it 531 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: also gets weird and I believe electronic at times. There's 532 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: some nice suspense in a later cave scene, and there's 533 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: this wonderful Sibylis cooking sequence that features an absolutely bonkers 534 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 2: track full of bleeps and bloops and monster croaking. It's fabulous. 535 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a nice mix of things. So in the 536 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 3: traditional end, we've got the you know, the King of 537 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 3: the Castle horns bump bump, bump, bump bump kind of stuff, 538 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 3: and then we've also, yeah, in the funny scenes, we've 539 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 3: got plenty of doom do Doom do doom. But I 540 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 3: know what you're talking about with the experimental moments. Yeah, 541 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 3: I liked those parts. 542 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well let's jump into the plot of 543 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: the Magic Sword. 544 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,479 Speaker 3: All right, Well after the credits. The credits just are 545 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 3: pretty straightforward. They're like red credits playing over a painted 546 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 3: backdrop that looks like Saint George slaying the Dragon, which 547 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 3: I suppose is loosely the inspiration for this movie, but 548 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 3: I would place emphasis on loosely. The action opens with 549 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 3: a shot of a witch's layer So there's a bubbling 550 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: cauldron and a table with a polished human skull as 551 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 3: a centerpiece, and it's all saturated in red light. This 552 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 3: movie really likes the red gel lights, especially in Sibyl's 553 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 3: sort of fortress of magic. 554 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she has so many red gels going in there. 555 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: It's like a dark ring. You would think, yeah, she's 556 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 2: developing an Eastern Kodak film in there or something. 557 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 3: So we pan up and we meet Estelle Winwood as 558 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 3: Sybil the Sorceress. She's wearing kind of a sorceress dress 559 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: with like the big dangly open sleeves, and she's got 560 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: jewels around her neck and all that. She looks very magical, 561 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 3: and she's talking to herself. She says, he's gone again. 562 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 3: What good is my sorcery if I can't help my 563 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 3: own boy? Answer me someone? So like, who's there to answer? Well, 564 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 3: we're going to pant around the room and see. First 565 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 3: of all, we've got a chimpanzee dressed in a red 566 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 3: tunic and a leather belt who's sitting at a chair 567 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 3: at the dinner table here. He has no input, He's 568 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 3: just sitting there scratching his head. And then Sybil says, 569 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: he's not fooling me. I know where he is. He's 570 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: at the magic pool again. Now commenting on that, we 571 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 3: suddenly hear from Sybil's other I don't know, like her 572 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 3: coworker or friend or help her here, which is a 573 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 3: two headed man who's two heads say simultaneous lee, love 574 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 3: is his curse. He is in love? 575 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 2: Now. 576 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 3: One thing I noticed about the two headed man here 577 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 3: is that the way that the two heads here they 578 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 3: behave in a way that sort of defeats the purpose 579 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 3: of imagining this, this creature with two heads, because they 580 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 3: always say the exact same thing at the exact same 581 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 3: time in unison. 582 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, I assume that they've just worked together 583 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 2: for a very long time and it just had to 584 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: They had had to come together in agreeance on a 585 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: number of things here, because we don't know the origin 586 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 2: of this character or characters, I mean, she might have 587 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: made them through her sorcery at some point or another. 588 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 3: I guess. 589 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 4: So. 590 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, Sybil says, yes, I've tried to cure him of 591 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: this love? Why have I failed? Am I losing my 592 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: skill as a sorceress? Doesn't my witchcraft cure snake bites 593 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 3: chill Blaines, carbuncles, pink eye, hangnails, and unhappy memories. And 594 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 3: I'd love to imagine who is coming to sibyls like 595 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 3: red Witch Cave and the chimpanzee and saying I have 596 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: pink eye. 597 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: I feel like the movie kind of like cut to 598 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 2: the chimp when she said pink eye, and it was 599 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 2: like implyed that, like this chimp is just can pink 600 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: eye like crazy, like every week having to cure this 601 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 2: chimp with pink eye. 602 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 3: But her two headed friend here assures her, yes, her 603 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 3: powers are still strong, so why can't she cure her 604 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 3: son George of his love infection. She sort of argues 605 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 3: with the two headed guy about this that they say 606 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 3: George is a man and he's human, so you know 607 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: he's going to fall in love, but she says he 608 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 3: is not a man. He is only twenty years old, 609 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 3: which means he is still a child. She obviously does 610 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 3: not approve of his decision to grow up. At first, 611 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 3: I didn't understand what this whole thing about, like her 612 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 3: repeatedly asserting that a twenty year old is a child. 613 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,719 Speaker 3: But I think it's because she is an immortal sorceress 614 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 3: who is I think she says four hundred and twenty 615 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: years old, So compared to that lifespan, it's like, oh, yeah, 616 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 3: he is a child. 617 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he should not get the keys to the 618 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: car until he's like at least sixty five. 619 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,479 Speaker 3: So meanwhile, we go to meet George at the magic 620 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 3: pool that Sybil was talking about. So he's leaning over 621 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: the water's edge, the water's bubbling, and he starts begging, 622 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 3: begging the water to show him the princess. So first 623 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 3: we see a castle, and then we cut inside the 624 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: castle to the throne room, where like the whole court, 625 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 3: the king is sitting there on the throne holding his scepter, 626 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 3: wearing his crown, and then everybody in the court is 627 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 3: gathered and they're just watching a belly dancer perform. Yeah, 628 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 3: nothing going. Princess is not there. Everybody's just like a 629 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 3: good show. 630 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 2: Good. I mean, he apparently spends a lot of time 631 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 2: just watching, spying on the castle so that he can 632 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: see the princess that he's in love with. Yeah, this 633 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 2: is our first hint at like the idea that George's 634 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,479 Speaker 2: whole upbringing is just weird, Like he's he's grown up 635 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 2: in this magical crypt. He has access to all of this, 636 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 2: you know, privacy defying, magical pools and mirrors and so forth, 637 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 2: and then gets fixated on people he's never met. 638 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 3: That's right, and the privacy violations get worse because he's like, 639 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 3: all right, she's not in the throne room. Show me 640 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 3: the pond in the palace garden where yep, that is 641 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 3: where she is. In fact, she's bathing in the pond 642 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 3: there with her lady in waiting, hanging out and like, dude, 643 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 3: respect the princess's privacy please, But you know he's just watching. Yeah, yeah, 644 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 3: so this is Princess Helene. She gets out and starts 645 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 3: talking to her lady in waiting, and she's talking about 646 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 3: how she's upset with her situation in life. She's like, 647 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 3: you know, even though I'm a princess, I'm unhappy because 648 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 3: I'm not allowed to fall in love. Essentially, she can't 649 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 3: even speak to a man, she can't meet people or 650 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 3: talk to them. She's sort of like kept away apart 651 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 3: from the world in a tower. And she tells her 652 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 3: lady in waiting, quote, you can do whatever you please, 653 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,919 Speaker 3: fall in love, fall out again, a squire one day, 654 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 3: a stable boy the next, and the lady in waiting 655 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 3: does not take offense to this. She's like, it's the 656 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 3: cost of being a princess. But suddenly a voice calls out. Oh, 657 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 3: it's like a ghostly, otherworldly voice. It says Princess Helene. 658 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 3: And she looks around and then sees the kind of 659 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 3: insubstantial figure moving toward her. It's like the figure of 660 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 3: a lady with a green veil over her head, some 661 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 3: kind of fairy like queen. And this lady is coming 662 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 3: toward her, and she says, Princess, I'm going to take 663 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 3: care of you, and then her eyes flash green and 664 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 3: I don't think we ever see this lady again. Do 665 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 3: we have no idea who she is? 666 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean presumably it is some sort of agent 667 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 2: of Lodac, but not someone that is named or featured later. 668 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 2: This is also a great scene where the ghost is 669 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,240 Speaker 2: coming right at the camera, right out at the audience. 670 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 2: And there are a number of moments like this in 671 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 2: the picture, because again, this is all about special effects. 672 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 2: It's about thrilling the audience and so Bert's come and 673 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 2: ride at you. 674 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 3: This movie would have been a great candidate for three D. 675 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm kind of glad it's not three D 676 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 3: because I enjoy it in the two D format, but 677 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,919 Speaker 3: it has a lot of stuff coming at you. Could 678 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 3: have been a three D option for sure. So anyway, 679 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,879 Speaker 3: George witnesses this magical fairy abduction of the princess through 680 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 3: his magical spy pool. He jumps up and he shouts Helene. 681 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 3: Then he runs back home to Sybil and explains that 682 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 3: the princess is in danger and he's got to go 683 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 3: rescue her at once. But Sybil is very dismissive of this. 684 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 3: Her points are the following, You're only a boy, You're 685 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 3: not old enough to be in love. You can't be 686 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,240 Speaker 3: in love with somebody you only saw in a magic 687 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 3: pool and have never met. That's a good point, and 688 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 3: also just basically, like I love is silly. But I 689 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 3: guess they're like, well, we'll get some more information. So 690 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 3: she takes George over to her magic mirror, which is 691 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 3: yet another long range magical surveillance device. And this sad 692 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 3: me wondering, wait, why did George have to go use 693 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 3: the magic pool if they've got magic mirror at home? 694 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 2: You know, I guess it's like sometimes you know, you 695 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 2: have like two TVs in the household, you know, perhaps 696 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 2: so the dad can watch football and the kids can 697 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 2: watch cartoons. It's like she has witching stuff she needs 698 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 2: to do. She can't have George in the way spying 699 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 2: on princesses the whole time. 700 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 3: She's got to call into her sorceress Zoom meetings. Yeah, 701 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 3: so Sybil tunes into Throne Room TV and she sees 702 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 3: the King, presumably done with his belly dancing session. He's 703 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 3: talking to his court about his daughter's disappearance. Now in 704 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 3: the scene, we're going to meet a couple of other 705 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,760 Speaker 3: major characters, Sir Branton and Lodak. Sir Branton we meet first. 706 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 3: He is this haughty, arrogant, goateed knight wearing a blue 707 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 3: tunic with a blazing sun emblem over the top of 708 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 3: his mail, and he explains to the King that Princess 709 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 3: Helene cannot be found anywhere. And while they're in the 710 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 3: middle of discussing what to do, suddenly a palace guard 711 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 3: enters the throne room escorting Basil Wrathbone. Basil Wrathbone here 712 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 3: is dressed in a black sorcerer's robe with a golden 713 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 3: dagger at his belt. He's got a giant jewel encrusted 714 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 3: pendant on his chest. He's wearing a red and silver 715 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 3: cloak with almost Santa CLAUSI implications. He's also wearing some 716 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 3: kind of wound cloth head covering. I don't know if 717 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 3: this technically is a turban or is supposed to be 718 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 3: a turban, or if it's something else. Everything he's wearing 719 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 3: pretty much has gold trim on it, and he just 720 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 3: looks really smug. 721 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very smug, very colorful. Yeah, it's a fabulous 722 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 2: presentation and just absolute confidence oozing off of them. Here. 723 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 3: The guard is like, we found him skulking on the 724 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 3: castle grounds. He won't speak, and Sir says there are 725 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 3: means to make him speak. So I love that Branton 726 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 3: is going straight to suggesting torture with no information whatsoever 727 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 3: on the sky. But also, look at him. This guy 728 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 3: is going to speak. You can look at him and 729 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 3: know he's about to speak. You don't need to worry 730 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 3: about him not speaking. 731 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 2: Also, I'm gonna have to ding the script here, or 732 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 2: at least the way the script was performed, because this 733 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 2: is not a character that has ever skulked in his life. 734 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 2: This is no sculptor. I think you mean to say 735 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 2: vainly awaiting his audience with the king. 736 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, you skulking, I think requires a down a downturned 737 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 3: angle of the head, like you know, the head is 738 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 3: sort of down, but this guy's chin has never even 739 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 3: like been parallel with the ground. Right. So Basil raises 740 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 3: his arms up. He stirs up some kind of magic. 741 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 3: The lights go dim, thunder cracks, and he says, your 742 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 3: most serene majesty, you can call off the search the princess. 743 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 3: Your daughter is in my castle under lock and he 744 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 3: So the king demands to know who this sorcerer is, 745 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 3: and he answers Loadak. So they know who this is. 746 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 3: They know him by reputation. He is a bad sorcerer. 747 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 2: Yeah it's not Lodak the Great, the terrible. Just all 748 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 2: you need to know is Lodak. It's great branding. 749 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 3: I don't know why, but I imagine I always imagine 750 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 3: Lodak's name when I heard it here as an acronym, 751 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 3: like it's all capital letters. I don't know what it 752 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 3: stands for. 753 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 2: I mean, lord of damnation, and I don't know. Pick 754 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 2: a sea word and you got it, I think. 755 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 3: So they ask him, you know, why did you kidnap 756 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 3: the princess, and Lodak says, this is the quote. The 757 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 3: answer is very simple. Your father executed my sister for 758 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 3: witchcraft when she was only eighteen years old. I have 759 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 3: waited until your daughter reached that age so that my 760 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 3: dragon could relish the flesh of the princess. I don't 761 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 3: know if that's very simple. It's moderately simple. I guess. 762 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 3: So Lodak has a dragon. He's going to feed the 763 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 3: princess to the dragon to get revenge on the king's family, 764 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 3: or so, he says. 765 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't even know if we should believe him. 766 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 2: This never comes up again. He doesn't seem to be 767 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 2: dwelling on this too much, and Lodak doesn't seem like 768 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 2: a sentimental type. 769 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like if some king executed his sister 770 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 3: for witchcraft, he'd be like, shouldn't have gotten caught. But 771 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 3: in reaction to this, Sir Branton, he's coming out hot. 772 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 3: He says, I'm not afraid of some warm eatn sorcerer. 773 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 3: I'll come straight to your castle and rescue the princess. 774 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,640 Speaker 3: But then Lodak warns them all. He says, look, it's 775 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,959 Speaker 3: not hard to find my castle. It's right down the road. 776 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 3: It's a week's journey from here, but between here and 777 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 3: there you'll have to face Lodak's original recipe of seven 778 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,720 Speaker 3: signature curses. No one has ever passed through all seven 779 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 3: curses and survived. Then he explains that his dragon is 780 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 3: going to eat the princess in seven days time, and 781 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 3: he starts to show himself the door by the way 782 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 3: he like. He turns and starts walking toward the door, 783 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 3: toward the camera with his arms just raised up in 784 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 3: the air, and then suddenly he changes course and then 785 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 3: turns into a crow and flies away. That had me 786 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 3: laughing out loud. 787 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,760 Speaker 2: It's so showy, it's wonderful. 788 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 3: Also, right after this that I did a still frame. 789 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 3: You can look out here Rob the King and Sir Branton, 790 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,280 Speaker 3: they have this look on their face, just like okay, 791 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 3: but anyway, Sir Brandon, he's still saying he's going to 792 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 3: save Helene. He says he does not care about the 793 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 3: seven curses. For Helene, he would face seventy curses, and 794 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 3: the King promises him that if he succeeds, he will 795 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:39,320 Speaker 3: receive half of his wealth and the princess's hand in marriage. Meanwhile, 796 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 3: back in the Witch hole. George and Sybil have been 797 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,480 Speaker 3: watching all this in the magic mirror. I kind of 798 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 3: forgot about them while the scene was going on, but 799 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,120 Speaker 3: I guess we've been watching what they are watching. And 800 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,399 Speaker 3: George is not happy. He's mad. He does not want 801 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 3: Sir Branton to save Helene. He does not want Sir 802 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,600 Speaker 3: Branton to marry Helene. He's the one who loves her, 803 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 3: even though than never met. So he begs Sybil to 804 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 3: let him go rescue the princess, and Sybil is like, nonsense, 805 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 3: you are only a child. So here we're about to 806 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 3: get some backstory. First of all, we learned that three 807 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 3: hundred years ago, Sybil's father and brother were eaten by 808 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 3: Lodak's dragon, and they were excellent sorcerers, so Lodak is 809 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 3: far too dangerous for them to face. She says, I 810 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 3: fear him almost as much as I hate him. And 811 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 3: after all, while Sybil is a sorceress who is hundreds 812 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 3: of years old, George is a mortal and still a child. 813 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 3: And we're also told that this is not framed as 814 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 3: a revelation. It's just more like, as you know, George, 815 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,240 Speaker 3: when you were only a week old, your royal parents 816 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 3: died of the plague, and then I took you in 817 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,200 Speaker 3: and raised you as my own son. And we learned 818 00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 3: that Sybil has been a kind and loving mother to George, 819 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,399 Speaker 3: but being an ancient sorceress, she doesn't get him because 820 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,399 Speaker 3: he's mortal, so she doesn't really understand that humans are 821 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 3: not children at the age of twenty. 822 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's a difficult age right now. But 823 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 2: on the other hand, it I think there's a lot 824 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 2: of evidence to support the idea that Sybil has just 825 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,120 Speaker 2: had to do a lot of guess work in how 826 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,800 Speaker 2: to raise a boy, a mortal boy like he seems 827 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 2: like maybe he hasn't been as exposed to like other kids, 828 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 2: growing up into a wider world. He's had maybe a 829 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,240 Speaker 2: little bit too much access to magical items, and she's, 830 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 2: as we'll see, you know, kind of spoiled him a 831 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,319 Speaker 2: bit too. So again it makes for this George ends 832 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 2: up being this very weird hero in this picture because 833 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 2: you know, he doesn't have the same sort of origin 834 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 2: story introjectory that you would expect of your Dragon Slayer character. 835 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 2: He's lived a very privileged in many ways upbringing, but 836 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 2: also a very there's been a lot of deprivation in 837 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,399 Speaker 2: his upbringing, it seems. Yeah. 838 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, this is where we get the scene where 839 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 3: he's really he's moping. He's upset because of you know, 840 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 3: her denials here, and then she tries to cheer him 841 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,800 Speaker 3: up by turning into a panther. But she doesn't do anything. 842 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 3: It's not like she turns into a panther and I 843 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 3: don't know, like spins plates on her head or something. 844 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 3: She just is a panther. And then she's not. 845 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,000 Speaker 2: That should be enough. 846 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 3: I can't do that, That's true. I can't either. What 847 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 3: am I gainsaying this for? Yeah, okay, she turns into 848 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,240 Speaker 3: a panther and doesn't do anything, But that's that's pretty impressive. 849 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 3: But he says, mother, not that trick again, Like she's 850 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 3: like blowing raspberries on his belly or something. Anyway, this 851 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,879 Speaker 3: leads Sybil to take George on a She like takes 852 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,839 Speaker 3: him down into a kind of dungeon to show him 853 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,839 Speaker 3: the birthday presence she's going to give him next year 854 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 3: when he turns twenty one. And these presents include a 855 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 3: magical white stallion called Bayard that is faster than any 856 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 3: horse on earth, a magical suit of armor that cannot 857 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 3: be pierced by any weapon, and a magic sword that 858 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 3: has a name. I was trying to hear what I 859 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 3: think it's called Escalon, which that sounds right, okay. Escalon 860 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 3: defies all swords in battle, neutralizes black magic, and it 861 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,719 Speaker 3: can open or close any door, portcullis, or portal with 862 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:15,240 Speaker 3: a touch. 863 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 2: So basically, she's like, George, you're gonna be a level 864 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,200 Speaker 2: one character, but I have three legendary magical items for you. 865 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 2: That's just right out of the gate. You're going to 866 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,080 Speaker 2: totally destroy these cobonts. 867 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a level one fighter with the with the 868 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:38,319 Speaker 3: Saber of Doors, I guess. Yeah. Oh. Also, George just 869 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 3: starts like groaning with pleasure when he holds the magic sword. 870 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,360 Speaker 3: He's like, Oh, it feels like it's part of my 871 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 3: own body. Also in the room, she just happens to 872 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 3: mention these are not presented as part of his birthday presence. 873 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 3: It's just like, oh, yeah, those six night statues there 874 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 3: against the wall, these are the six most valiant knights 875 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 3: in the world, which were turned to stone by Sybil's brother, 876 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 3: which makes me wonder, Wait a minute, was Sibil's brother 877 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,879 Speaker 3: a good sorcerer? Or a bad one. 878 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Yeah, it sounds like maybe he was the 879 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 2: bad sort, because these are six noble knights that were 880 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 2: evidently defeated, imprisoned, you know, made eternal servants of this 881 00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 2: Witchcraft family. Yeah. I think there's a lot to suggest 882 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 2: that this is not a beneficial fate that was bestowed 883 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 2: upon them. 884 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 3: But here George comes up with a clever trick. He 885 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,800 Speaker 3: manages to trick Sibyl into going down into an enchanted 886 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 3: sub basement to I don't know what he did, just 887 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,280 Speaker 3: to go down there and look at it, I guess. 888 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 3: And then as soon as she goes down ahead of him, 889 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 3: he taps the stone trapdoor of the access to this 890 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,319 Speaker 3: basement and it closes behind her, trapping her inside. Now 891 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,840 Speaker 3: he's free to go save the princess. 892 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, barries his mama so that he can 893 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 2: god and pursue his love. 894 00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 3: Seems kind of cruel, Yeah, But also they do. I 895 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 3: feel like they drop a few things to emphasize that, like, oh, 896 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,520 Speaker 3: she is an immortal sorceress, so it's not like she's 897 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 3: gonna die of thirst down there or anything. But she 898 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,600 Speaker 3: still doesn't like it. 899 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 2: She's like, oh, you scamp. 900 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 3: So he then uses his sword to unfreeze the knights 901 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 3: because I guess they were frozen by black magic. And 902 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 3: we're going to meet all the knights in the next scene. 903 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 3: But they wake up, and then there's one with a 904 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:35,319 Speaker 3: French accent who is like, oh, thank you. But here 905 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,680 Speaker 3: we go straight to a scene another scene in the 906 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 3: throne room room of the castle, where at the beginning 907 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 3: of the scene it's just like a repeat of what 908 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,720 Speaker 3: we already saw, like Sir Branton is promising to rescue 909 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,319 Speaker 3: the princess, but at this point he kneels in front 910 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 3: of the king he makes this solemn vow to rescue her, 911 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,960 Speaker 3: and the king is like, hmm, that's a strange ring 912 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 3: with a picture of a dragon on it. Sir Branton, Well, 913 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 3: let's not pay any attention to that. They are interrupted 914 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 3: by George, who is now calling himself Sir George. He 915 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,840 Speaker 3: barges into the throne room. He's dressed in his magical armor, 916 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,759 Speaker 3: he's got his magical sword, and he is accompanied by 917 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 3: his six unfrozen cave men lawyer knights, and they all 918 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,720 Speaker 3: introduce themselves and show off their accents. So we've got 919 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,240 Speaker 3: and they're they're each like from a country of Europe. 920 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,799 Speaker 3: So the strange thing about this is it's not set 921 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,240 Speaker 3: in like an alternate land. It's not you know, Middle 922 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 3: Earth or something. It seems to be set in Christian 923 00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 3: Europe in Earth. So we have Sir Denis of France, 924 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 3: they say, Dennis. I don't know if that would be 925 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 3: Deni in real life, but Sir Denis of France, Sir 926 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,240 Speaker 3: Pedro of Spain, Sir Patrick of Ireland, Sir Anthony of Italy, 927 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 3: Sir James of Scotland, and Sir Ulrich of Germany, and 928 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 3: they all sort of like say a hello in their accents. 929 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,279 Speaker 3: The German Knights. Sir Ulrich said he looks at the 930 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,719 Speaker 3: king and he's like mine Kaiser. 931 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 2: And that's actually the voice of Paul Freese, the noted 932 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 2: voice actor who worked on such things as The Bullwinkle Show, 933 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 2: The Last Unicorn and just tons of of of various 934 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,880 Speaker 2: animated shows of old like he was in you know, 935 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,440 Speaker 2: The Return of the King, The Flight of Dragons, you know, 936 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 2: the Frosty Snowman specials and so forth. 937 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:21,839 Speaker 3: Oh I did not know. 938 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's a he's a frequent name and all 939 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:25,319 Speaker 2: of those. 940 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 3: Well, here we get some conflict because Sir George is 941 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,359 Speaker 3: he shows up, he stands next to Sir Branton. He's like, yeah, 942 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 3: I'm also going to save the princess, and I'm also 943 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 3: going to marry her. And Sir Branton doesn't like this. 944 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 3: He tries to fight George. George doesn't want to draw 945 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 3: his sword, so Branton strikes first, but just ends up 946 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 3: shattering his sword on George's magical armor. And eventually the 947 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,360 Speaker 3: King he's he literally says, I like these knights. So 948 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 3: he decides, well, they're all going to have to go 949 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 3: save the princess together. They'll have to work together, George, 950 00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 3: the six Knights, and the scheming creep Branton. 951 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. The King sort of reminds them here that, like, 952 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 2: actually the important thing is saving her from the wizard. 953 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,560 Speaker 2: We're getting a little sidetracked in the whole, like who 954 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 2: should get to marry her things? Yeah. 955 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:22,399 Speaker 3: Yeah. Meanwhile, at Lodak's castle, we are going to check 956 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,720 Speaker 3: in with the princess. Now, Princess Helene is being taken 957 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 3: to her cell and there she meets a couple of 958 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,520 Speaker 3: other princesses who are sisters. And this scene sort of 959 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:37,160 Speaker 3: suggests that Lodak is running like a full time princess 960 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:42,319 Speaker 3: dragon feeding operation. Like he's processing incoming princesses on a 961 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,480 Speaker 3: bi weekly basis, so he always has some princesses in 962 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,120 Speaker 3: the hopper when he feeds the ones that have already 963 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,040 Speaker 3: been there to the to the dragon. So I think 964 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,880 Speaker 3: he's like seasoning them in the dungeon while the dragon 965 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,480 Speaker 3: eats the ones that have been there already. 966 00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it also makes me wonder are there attached 967 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,879 Speaker 2: skins for these princesses as well that result in some 968 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 2: sort of revenue income or magical item income. Yeah, it 969 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 2: seems like a big operation because this is not some 970 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:16,920 Speaker 2: dusty old sorcerer. This man has a fabulous wardrobe, He 971 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,240 Speaker 2: has a big cut castle to upkeep, He has various 972 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,120 Speaker 2: pets and curses to take care of. You know, you 973 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,280 Speaker 2: gotta stay busy to keep that afloat. 974 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,160 Speaker 3: It is indicated that that he asks for ransom. He 975 00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,360 Speaker 3: doesn't for Princess Helene because he says that she is 976 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,600 Speaker 3: a special case. But what we're led to believe is 977 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,160 Speaker 3: that normally, yeah, he's got princesses coming in all the time, 978 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,319 Speaker 3: and he gets there, he gets their king fathers to 979 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,920 Speaker 3: pay money. So these princesses think that they're going to 980 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 3: be fine because their father will pay the ransom required 981 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 3: to save them. Unfortunately, Lodac says their father did not 982 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,200 Speaker 3: pay up, and instead he sent a company of knights 983 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,319 Speaker 3: to rescue them, and the knights all died facing his 984 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,359 Speaker 3: seven curses. I have questions about this, like would there 985 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,799 Speaker 3: be an enough princesses to sustain this kind of operation indefinitely? 986 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,480 Speaker 3: Like how does Loadak not exhaust the supply of princesses 987 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:08,080 Speaker 3: at this rate? 988 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,000 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe he's working internationally. We don't know, Like 989 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,759 Speaker 2: he's just in Christian Europe, Medieval Europe at this point, 990 00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,719 Speaker 2: but maybe he's also jetting off to uh and to 991 00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,560 Speaker 2: you know, to East Asia. At times he's heading he's 992 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 2: heading to Africa, South America, like he's got a full, 993 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 2: full global operation going here. Maybe he franchises. 994 00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,320 Speaker 3: I wonder if sometimes like he can't get a princess 995 00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,279 Speaker 3: and it's just like this week, I had to feed 996 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,800 Speaker 3: my dragon an earl. Anyway, he tried a basil rathbone, 997 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,439 Speaker 3: tries to make Helene watch the other princesses being fed 998 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,759 Speaker 3: to the dragon, but she won't look, and we don't 999 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,279 Speaker 3: get to see the monster yet. So then Lodak explains, Hey, 1000 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 3: you know, there are some Knights who are coming to 1001 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,600 Speaker 3: rescue you, but don't worry, they will fail. First of all, 1002 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,279 Speaker 3: he says, Sir Branton is coming, and she seems not 1003 00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,759 Speaker 3: excited by this prospect, so I guess she doesn't like him. 1004 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,040 Speaker 2: She's like, I'd like to be saved, but. 1005 00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,000 Speaker 3: Not a big fan of Sir Brant. 1006 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:06,239 Speaker 2: Here. 1007 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,320 Speaker 3: But there's also somebody coming named Sir George, and despite 1008 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,239 Speaker 3: having never met him and not knowing who who he is, 1009 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,640 Speaker 3: she's like, oh, George sounds cool. 1010 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and his main main attraction being that he's not 1011 00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 2: Sir Branton. 1012 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,560 Speaker 3: I guess, oh, that's a good point. Maybe she's just 1013 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,160 Speaker 3: excited that it's anybody but Sir Branton. So Lodak is like, well, 1014 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,240 Speaker 3: I'll show you the young fool. And then once again 1015 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,000 Speaker 3: we tune into Magical Remote Surveillance TV. So, like on 1016 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,400 Speaker 3: a screen on the wall, Lodak shows George Branton and 1017 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 3: the other Nights approaching the First Curse. What is the 1018 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 3: first Curse? Well, you know what, I really like the 1019 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,520 Speaker 3: set and the landscape they set up here. It is 1020 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 3: quite creepy. So they go into this this landscape of 1021 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,040 Speaker 3: strangely shaped trees that at first I was like, what 1022 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,680 Speaker 3: are we looking at? It almost looks like trees that 1023 00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 3: have been pulled up out of the ground and you 1024 00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:01,800 Speaker 3: can see the whole root structure around in this pyramid 1025 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 3: shaped kind of structure. But no, I don't think that's 1026 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,400 Speaker 3: what it is. I think it's actually supposed to be 1027 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,239 Speaker 3: trees that have been knocked over in some way at 1028 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,640 Speaker 3: like ten feet up off the ground. But I gotta 1029 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,960 Speaker 3: give him credit. I really like this set. It does 1030 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,360 Speaker 3: make me feel uneasy what lives here? And then we 1031 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,040 Speaker 3: find out it's an ogre. It's a big old ogre 1032 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,360 Speaker 3: that starts trying to smash the knights, And I also 1033 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,320 Speaker 3: the ogre design. It's gross looking, it's creepy. 1034 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, this monster has like that. Obviously this is going 1035 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:40,600 Speaker 2: to be something akin to amazing Colossal Man, but yeah, 1036 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,040 Speaker 2: in terms of just being this giant humanoid. But yeah, 1037 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,360 Speaker 2: also has this kind of like were wolfy wolfman quality 1038 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,640 Speaker 2: to it, and also seems I don't know, I ended 1039 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,040 Speaker 2: up feeling more sorry for this creature than anything because 1040 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,640 Speaker 2: he doesn't really do much. He just kind of stands 1041 00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:01,200 Speaker 2: there and howls while Knights attempt he's got like. 1042 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,920 Speaker 3: One thing that looked creepy to me about him is 1043 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 3: that it's like he's got different kinds of teeth in 1044 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 3: his mouth, So they're not just like a row of 1045 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,920 Speaker 3: sharp teeth. It's like he has teeth from three different 1046 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,040 Speaker 3: kinds of creatures all in the same mouth. 1047 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,879 Speaker 2: This may also be the character I've read. I think 1048 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,160 Speaker 2: Michael Weldon points out that Richard Keel is in this 1049 00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,239 Speaker 2: movie but is completely uncredited. This would seem to be 1050 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,680 Speaker 2: the role you would have him in if you had 1051 00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 2: an uncredited Richard Keel. 1052 00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,480 Speaker 3: I wonder, But I know what you're saying about feeling 1053 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,759 Speaker 3: sad for the creature, because it almost does seem like 1054 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,000 Speaker 3: he's just trying to hang out in this little blasted 1055 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,239 Speaker 3: landscape here, and then these things come in and start 1056 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,000 Speaker 3: poking at him with spears. 1057 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,040 Speaker 2: And yeah, I know what's happening. Yeah, he didn't ask 1058 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 2: to be the first curse maybe, I mean, that's the thing. 1059 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:47,960 Speaker 2: He's somebody who is cursed. 1060 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. So there's a long battle scene. George 1061 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,640 Speaker 3: eventually defeats the Ogre by galloping in circles around him 1062 00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,879 Speaker 3: on his magically fast horse, and the Ogre is trying 1063 00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:02,359 Speaker 3: to like follow him in order to crush him, but 1064 00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,880 Speaker 3: round he goes round around in circles, and then the 1065 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,800 Speaker 3: Ogre becomes dizzy and falls over, and then George pokes 1066 00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,320 Speaker 3: him in the heart with his sword. 1067 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. Can't be that satisfying of the victory, honestly. 1068 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,880 Speaker 3: Oh, and some of the Knights are killed here. So 1069 00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,920 Speaker 3: Sir Ulrich and Sir Pedro are killed by the Ogre 1070 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,560 Speaker 3: and they have a little funeral for them and show 1071 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,160 Speaker 3: them being buried, and Sir Brandon skips the funeral he's 1072 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,280 Speaker 3: scouting ahead. Meanwhile, there are just like some scenes in 1073 00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,440 Speaker 3: the castle where Helene is running around. She like sneaks 1074 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,680 Speaker 3: out of her cell and is running around getting scared 1075 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 3: by various things, one of which is shrunken people inside 1076 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,720 Speaker 3: a cage. There's like dull sized people in a little 1077 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,760 Speaker 3: cage saying help us, help us, like attack of the 1078 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,120 Speaker 3: puppet people. Yeah, a Lodax castle also has like these 1079 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,000 Speaker 3: like blue ghules and guys with conical heads, and people 1080 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,560 Speaker 3: in plague doctor like bird masks, and just various people 1081 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:56,240 Speaker 3: being scary. 1082 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but mostly cone heads. There a lot of coneheads. 1083 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 3: So on the road the Knights travel on to the 1084 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,560 Speaker 3: next curse, which is a vile, misty swamp full of 1085 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,800 Speaker 3: bubbling acid pools. In this swamp, the Knights become separated 1086 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,280 Speaker 3: from one another and Sir Anthony falls into a bubbling 1087 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,960 Speaker 3: acid pool. George tries to go save him, and Branton 1088 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:22,120 Speaker 3: intentionally knocks George into the pool. Somehow, George doesn't realize 1089 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,760 Speaker 3: this later. I don't know if he thinks it was 1090 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,600 Speaker 3: an accident or he doesn't realize somebody kicked him. I'm 1091 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:27,080 Speaker 3: not sure. 1092 00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,360 Speaker 2: But the result is pretty gruesome because we don't get 1093 00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,440 Speaker 2: You might expect it from a movie like this. You 1094 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,120 Speaker 2: might expect it to be like that high school biology 1095 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,240 Speaker 2: classroom skeleton rising to the surface. No, what we get 1096 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:40,400 Speaker 2: is is a big grimmer. 1097 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,200 Speaker 3: It's like a skull with very bleached white, gritted teeth, 1098 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,040 Speaker 3: and then where the flesh would be over the skull 1099 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,440 Speaker 3: is just like bubble gum has been stretched over the bone. 1100 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,080 Speaker 2: But the bubblegum that's had all the flavor chewed out 1101 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 2: of it. 1102 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,200 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a nasty looking And it happens like 1103 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,320 Speaker 3: immediately Anthony's He's like swimming in the pool, going and 1104 00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,600 Speaker 3: being like help, help, and then it cuts away and 1105 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,040 Speaker 3: then cuts back and now he's just the skull. 1106 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 2: Done for fatality. 1107 00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,800 Speaker 3: But George survives the acid pool. I think because of 1108 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,080 Speaker 3: his magical armor. I assume that's the reason. 1109 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's indestructible on this stuff. Now. 1110 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,040 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, back at the witch Hut, Sybil finally escapes the basement. 1111 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,200 Speaker 3: She realized owing her her friends there in the witchholder 1112 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,880 Speaker 3: like playing chess, and she realizes George is in danger, 1113 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 3: so she decides she has to intervene to save him. 1114 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,160 Speaker 3: But first she's gonna watch him on magic TV. So 1115 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,720 Speaker 3: we see her watching in the magic mirror. The camp 1116 00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,240 Speaker 3: of the Knights after Anthony also has died, So now 1117 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,520 Speaker 3: there are only three of the other Knights left, I think, 1118 00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,360 Speaker 3: Sir James of Scotland, Sir Patrick of Ireland, and Sir 1119 00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,440 Speaker 3: Denis of France. And at the camp, Sir Branton is 1120 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,560 Speaker 3: giving a speech trying to convince the other Knights to 1121 00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,840 Speaker 3: abandon the journey. He's like, go home, you, you don't 1122 01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,800 Speaker 3: have to risk your lives anymore. But the other Knights refuse, 1123 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,120 Speaker 3: and Sir Patrick mocks him. He says his tongue is 1124 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,400 Speaker 3: like the honey from a clover patch. Is that an expression? 1125 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:13,120 Speaker 3: I've never heard that. 1126 01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,480 Speaker 2: I've only ever heard it in this movie. 1127 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,720 Speaker 3: So while the other night's sleep, Sir Branton sneaks off 1128 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,680 Speaker 3: alone to a house in the countryside, all for an 1129 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,800 Speaker 3: illicit rendezvous with Loadak. So here we get a big twist. 1130 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:30,760 Speaker 3: Turns out they have been conspiring together from the beginning. 1131 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,959 Speaker 3: Remember that ring with a dragon on it that Sir 1132 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,560 Speaker 3: Branton had and the King noticed and then nobody said 1133 01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:41,160 Speaker 3: anything about. So it works like this. Lodak lost his 1134 01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,600 Speaker 3: magic ring a while back. Sir Branton found it. Lodak 1135 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,120 Speaker 3: wants the ring back, but he can't take it because 1136 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:51,920 Speaker 3: the ring protects itself against being taken by force. So 1137 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,000 Speaker 3: they make a deal. In exchange for the return of 1138 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,120 Speaker 3: the ring, Lodak will help Sir Branton win the hand 1139 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,360 Speaker 3: of Princess Helene and the reward of half of the 1140 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 3: King's kingdom for her rescue. So he would do that 1141 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,800 Speaker 3: by staging this abduction and then allowing Sir Branton to 1142 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:09,520 Speaker 3: bring her back. 1143 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,800 Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, a nice side scheme to everything here. 1144 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:14,680 Speaker 2: The plot dickens. 1145 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,400 Speaker 3: It is a good twist and but clearly the party. 1146 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,800 Speaker 3: One thing I like about it is that they're not 1147 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,560 Speaker 3: just cleanly in league like the parties involved here distrust 1148 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,880 Speaker 3: one another. They are both snakes, and they're both wondering, 1149 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,680 Speaker 3: how will the other one try to betray me? Right? 1150 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, either one will stab the other one in the 1151 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,200 Speaker 2: back once they have what they want. 1152 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,400 Speaker 3: Oh and then suddenly, while they're talking, Lodak is like, oh, 1153 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,560 Speaker 3: Sir Denis of France is coming, you know he So 1154 01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,080 Speaker 3: Sir Denis noticed Branton leaving the camp early in the morning, 1155 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,600 Speaker 3: and he followed him to investigate. While everybody else is sleeping. 1156 01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,080 Speaker 3: Lodak detects he's coming, but don't worry. He has a plan. 1157 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,200 Speaker 3: It's some kind of horrible love trap, Like he sees 1158 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,400 Speaker 3: Sir Denis coming and then he's like, ah, he's a 1159 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:03,640 Speaker 3: Frenchman and so I will get him with a pretty woman. 1160 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,200 Speaker 3: So suddenly, a while Dennis is approaching this house that 1161 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,760 Speaker 3: he's trying to investigate, just like a pretty lady just 1162 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,280 Speaker 3: wanders onto the screen singing Freira Shaka, and Sir Dennis 1163 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:20,320 Speaker 3: is like, there can't be anything suspicious about this. So 1164 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,760 Speaker 3: he's just like monto more, I'm in love. He is 1165 01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,880 Speaker 3: successfully catfished by magic. I guess you would call this witchfished. 1166 01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,960 Speaker 3: And so he's like they're just sitting there smooching, and 1167 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,880 Speaker 3: then suddenly she transforms into a witch and tries to 1168 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,280 Speaker 3: bite his neck. And the witch has like the witch 1169 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,560 Speaker 3: is creepy looking, she's got like one eye melting off 1170 01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,800 Speaker 3: of her head. She tries to bite him in the neck, 1171 01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,560 Speaker 3: but Sir George comes to the rescue. Dennis is saved 1172 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,920 Speaker 3: because George does something like with his magic shield and 1173 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,040 Speaker 3: it like emits light that scares the witch and makes 1174 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,160 Speaker 3: her vaporize. Oh and then I like how Dennis is 1175 01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,720 Speaker 3: He just fully plays into the Lodax assumed seo type 1176 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,880 Speaker 3: here when he's talking to George, He's like, yeah, Lodak 1177 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:05,920 Speaker 3: got me. He must have known I was French. 1178 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it's enough to make you wonder are 1179 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,000 Speaker 2: these knights even real? Were they really captured knights or 1180 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,520 Speaker 2: were they just made by sorcery and therefore based on 1181 01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:15,720 Speaker 2: just broad stereotypes. 1182 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,760 Speaker 3: That's funny. Yeah. Oh, and then there's a confrontation where 1183 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,600 Speaker 3: George and Dennis go into the house to see Sir Branton, 1184 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,320 Speaker 3: but Branton lies his way out of it. And there's 1185 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,840 Speaker 3: also after they leave, there's a funny scene where the 1186 01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:33,080 Speaker 3: witch like they have a performance review the witch does 1187 01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:37,000 Speaker 3: with Lodak, and she's like, I almost killed him. 1188 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:40,080 Speaker 2: I tried, but you know that's not gonna cut it. 1189 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,520 Speaker 2: So what does he do? Bam, turns her into a spider. 1190 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,720 Speaker 2: All right, So how far into the curses are we now, Joe, 1191 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,200 Speaker 2: This is a good question. 1192 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,400 Speaker 3: I sort of got confused trying to count the curses. 1193 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,760 Speaker 3: So the ogre is the first curse, and the swamp 1194 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,560 Speaker 3: with the acid pools, I think that's the second curse. 1195 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:06,600 Speaker 2: Okay, we're at least two. 1196 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:11,800 Speaker 3: In third curse is I think the witch who looks 1197 01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,600 Speaker 3: like a French lady. 1198 01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so that would mean we're ready for four 1199 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:18,000 Speaker 2: at this point. 1200 01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,320 Speaker 3: But when when I think about the rest of it, 1201 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,160 Speaker 3: it doesn't add up. I'm like, what are the seven curses? 1202 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,800 Speaker 2: Well, the next one is definitely a doozy. 1203 01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,160 Speaker 3: Oh my lord? Yeah, okay, So at this point I 1204 01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:37,480 Speaker 3: think somehow Sir James of Scotland and Sir Dennis of 1205 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:42,240 Speaker 3: France like, go ahead to investigate what's down the road, 1206 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:47,000 Speaker 3: and that leaves Sir George, Sir Branton and Sir Patrick 1207 01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:50,440 Speaker 3: of Ireland and the three of them they they they're 1208 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,120 Speaker 3: approaching their their comrades. But the comrades who went ahead 1209 01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,800 Speaker 3: are now just like melted. They're horribly irradiated, covered in blisters. 1210 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,160 Speaker 3: Their hair is gone, their skin is like peeling away 1211 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,640 Speaker 3: like old wallpaper. 1212 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:05,680 Speaker 2: Is. 1213 01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:11,160 Speaker 3: It's disgusting, absolutely disgusting. You see them in like a cave, 1214 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:17,080 Speaker 3: I think, staring into this yellow spiral and they're shirtless 1215 01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,400 Speaker 3: and their hair is gone. And then they turn and 1216 01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,440 Speaker 3: look into the camera and they're all messed up, partially melted, 1217 01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,280 Speaker 3: and then you see their like silhouettes coming over a 1218 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,200 Speaker 3: hilltop and then they just disappear. It's like they turn 1219 01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:28,760 Speaker 3: to dust. 1220 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, in a way, almost like a decade appropriate version 1221 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,960 Speaker 2: of the Robocot melt scene, you know, because it's like 1222 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,439 Speaker 2: they're coming right at us. They look horrible, they look 1223 01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 2: in pain. And it's this moment especially where I can think, 1224 01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:44,640 Speaker 2: I can rationalize. It's like, Okay, I could see where 1225 01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,560 Speaker 2: some sensors might have had a problem with the tonal 1226 01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,800 Speaker 2: inconsistency of this film. One second, it's a chimpanzee playing chess, 1227 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,000 Speaker 2: and then later on it's this. 1228 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, can't you just imagine Sir Branton here in ray 1229 01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:01,800 Speaker 3: wise fashion and being like, don't touch me in yeah, 1230 01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,480 Speaker 3: all right, So those nights. They're gone melted, blasted by 1231 01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:09,240 Speaker 3: whatever that the yellow spiral thing was. Now somewhere in 1232 01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,360 Speaker 3: here this may actually have already happened, or it's somewhere 1233 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,480 Speaker 3: in here that there's a whole scene where Sybil back 1234 01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:19,840 Speaker 3: at home, is trying to intervene to help George. She 1235 01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,720 Speaker 3: wants to like brew up a potion and do a 1236 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,920 Speaker 3: spell that will help him somehow, but she ends up 1237 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,520 Speaker 3: having the exact opposite of her intended effect, and she 1238 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,040 Speaker 3: accidentally disables his magic powers instead. 1239 01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:37,120 Speaker 2: This is the sibyl is cooking scene that I referenced earlier, 1240 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:41,240 Speaker 2: And even though it doesn't pay off for her, it's 1241 01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,280 Speaker 2: still a fabulous sequence because again, the music just gets 1242 01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:48,200 Speaker 2: super weird. You got those red gels, and yeah, she's 1243 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,360 Speaker 2: just cooking away and I love it. 1244 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,360 Speaker 3: And you could tell she's improvising, like she she doesn't 1245 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,600 Speaker 3: remember the recipe, so she's you know, it's like she's 1246 01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,880 Speaker 3: playing a solo here, making it up as she goes, Yeah, 1247 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:00,680 Speaker 3: well I think I need the ear of a rabbit. 1248 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:01,960 Speaker 3: That's right, that's it. 1249 01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:04,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't have the recipe in front of her, 1250 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,200 Speaker 2: she doesn't have everything prepared, but oh man, her cauldron 1251 01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,240 Speaker 2: is an upturned monster skull. 1252 01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:11,080 Speaker 3: Yeah that's good. 1253 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,840 Speaker 2: So I love everything about this sequence, even if it 1254 01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,280 Speaker 2: doesn't really pay off the way she's hoping it will. 1255 01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:21,320 Speaker 3: So after this, Sir Branton leads George and Sir Patrick Ireland, 1256 01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,000 Speaker 3: the last of the six Nights, into a cave and 1257 01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:28,320 Speaker 3: then he like leads him into the cave I can't remember. 1258 01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,120 Speaker 3: He kind of like taunts them somehow and makes them 1259 01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,680 Speaker 3: follow him, and then they go into the cave and 1260 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:36,880 Speaker 3: then he leaves the cave and it the door of 1261 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,280 Speaker 3: the cave closes behind him, so they're trapped inside. And 1262 01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,120 Speaker 3: then these weird green mask ghosts come out. They're like 1263 01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,240 Speaker 3: floating in the air and wailing, and one of the 1264 01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:51,440 Speaker 3: ghosts kills Sir Patrick sort of just by flying into 1265 01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,160 Speaker 3: his face and then seeping into him. 1266 01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's kind of a hard to follow sequence, 1267 01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:01,000 Speaker 2: but the ghosts are creepy, the music is good. The 1268 01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,120 Speaker 2: ghost kind of looked like shrunken heads, and like you said, 1269 01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:08,480 Speaker 2: also like masks. So uh, yeah, it mostly works. It does. 1270 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:10,920 Speaker 3: The one thing that works less well is that the 1271 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,880 Speaker 3: tone of what follows. So Sir Patrick dies and he 1272 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:20,280 Speaker 3: can be heard violently screaming George help me. It's like 1273 01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:25,120 Speaker 3: really painful to hear ragged screaming desperate. But then a 1274 01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:29,639 Speaker 3: ghost face flies into the wall of the cave and 1275 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,000 Speaker 3: a door opens to the outside, so like they were 1276 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,120 Speaker 3: trapped inside. Oh and George had tried to use his 1277 01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,080 Speaker 3: sword to open the door because it's supposed to open 1278 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,920 Speaker 3: any doors, but it has been deactivated from afar by Sybil, 1279 01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:44,559 Speaker 3: so that didn't work. And so yeah, this ghost face 1280 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,800 Speaker 3: flies into the wall, the wall opens up yet again, 1281 01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,000 Speaker 3: and then the voice of Sir Patrick, still screaming in 1282 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,880 Speaker 3: exactly the same way, says George. 1283 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:59,920 Speaker 2: Through the wall. Yeah, and yeah, it's hard to follow 1284 01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,360 Speaker 2: exactly what has happened here, and which character is it 1285 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,000 Speaker 2: that then tells us in a bit here and explains that, oh, 1286 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:08,480 Speaker 2: well it's Patrick's faith. 1287 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,519 Speaker 3: That yeah, Lodak explains it. Actually, So George escapes the 1288 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,360 Speaker 3: cave because of whatever that was, the like face flying 1289 01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,840 Speaker 3: into the wall and the screaming voices door it opened. 1290 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,120 Speaker 3: George gets out. There's this lingering shot of Sir Patrick's 1291 01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,120 Speaker 3: dead body in the cave as the wall closes behind 1292 01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,639 Speaker 3: George on his way out. Then we see once again 1293 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,679 Speaker 3: somebody watching magic remote TV Loadak and Sir Branton are 1294 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:37,599 Speaker 3: looking upon a magic fire scheming, and Sir Branton says, 1295 01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:42,280 Speaker 3: was it magic? Loadak says, no, not magic. Sir Branton says, 1296 01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:46,559 Speaker 3: then how did George escape. Loadak says, I think, yes, 1297 01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:51,120 Speaker 3: something stronger than magic, the power of Patrick's faith. 1298 01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, where does that come from? We have not 1299 01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,639 Speaker 2: There's been nothing to establish that Patrick was particularly religious. 1300 01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:03,599 Speaker 2: All we know is that he is Irish and he 1301 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,240 Speaker 2: doesn't even like call out to God or Jesus or 1302 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:09,559 Speaker 2: anything during that final encounter, Like that alone would have 1303 01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,639 Speaker 2: been if he was like Jesus Christ, save our hero 1304 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,720 Speaker 2: or something anything, But no, it's it's just apparently his 1305 01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:20,519 Speaker 2: faith was strong enough that God intervened. 1306 01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,280 Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, I agree with all of that very strange, 1307 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,720 Speaker 3: but I think it's funny that Lodak acknowledges that his 1308 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,200 Speaker 3: powers are helpless in the face of like prayer, so 1309 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,040 Speaker 3: his enemies would just like pray to God to defeat 1310 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:33,800 Speaker 3: him they could win. 1311 01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,200 Speaker 2: I guess he's kind of like, well, God only gets 1312 01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:42,000 Speaker 2: involved directly on rare occasions, so it's gonna happen every 1313 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:43,800 Speaker 2: now and then, but not to the extent that it's 1314 01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,599 Speaker 2: going to actually derail my plans here. 1315 01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. So anyway, this seems to be the last of 1316 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,599 Speaker 3: the seven curses somehow, or maybe there's one still at 1317 01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,200 Speaker 3: the castle something like. George gallops up to. 1318 01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,960 Speaker 2: No way, we're past five here this don't know. 1319 01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,160 Speaker 3: Where are the others. George gallops to the castle on 1320 01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:05,840 Speaker 3: his white horse, and as he wanders through the deserted courtyard, 1321 01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,559 Speaker 3: a heavy wooden door creaks open by itself to allow 1322 01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,880 Speaker 3: him inside. And Lodak and Branton they know he's here. 1323 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:18,320 Speaker 3: They're watching as he heads towards helene cell, and Lodak says, 1324 01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,479 Speaker 3: don't worry about it, Sir Branton, It'll all work out 1325 01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,840 Speaker 3: just fine. So George gets to Helene's cell, he greets her. 1326 01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:28,320 Speaker 3: Helene says, George, Oh, I must be dreaming, but you are, 1327 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:33,360 Speaker 3: George or is this just more of Lodak's magic? And 1328 01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,880 Speaker 3: he I guess he has to be like, Hi, you 1329 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:37,960 Speaker 3: know I've been spying on you in the magic pool 1330 01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:41,280 Speaker 3: for years but we have not met. But she is 1331 01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,360 Speaker 3: happy to see him, and there's some type of parody here, 1332 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,880 Speaker 3: because she says Lodak has been showing her visions of 1333 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,599 Speaker 3: him just to torture her. So they like both only 1334 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,640 Speaker 3: know one another from magical remote surveillance, and this is 1335 01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,040 Speaker 3: the first time either one has seen the other in person. 1336 01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,200 Speaker 3: They start smooching. Of course there's kissing there, and what 1337 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,519 Speaker 3: about Sir Branton? Who cares? So they try to sneak out, 1338 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:08,439 Speaker 3: but just as they are able to reach the front door, 1339 01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:13,640 Speaker 3: Lodak springs a trap. His weird minions magically materialized in 1340 01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,880 Speaker 3: front of the exit, and George and Helene are caught. 1341 01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,920 Speaker 3: Sir Branton's treachery is revealed. Branton, thinking that the deal 1342 01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,400 Speaker 3: has been finished, gives the magical ring back to Lodak, 1343 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,960 Speaker 3: and then Helene says she will happily leave with Sir Branton. Huh, 1344 01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,320 Speaker 3: I thought she didn't really like him. Why was she 1345 01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,080 Speaker 3: so happy to go with him? I mean, I guess 1346 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,680 Speaker 3: it would kind of make sense, you'd be happy to 1347 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,439 Speaker 3: leave with anybody. But you know, it's surprising to the viewer. 1348 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,360 Speaker 3: But guess what, it's another double cross. We sort of 1349 01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:46,240 Speaker 3: saw this coming, didn't we. You can't trust Lodak captured 1350 01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,720 Speaker 3: well in this production still that I drug rob or 1351 01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,559 Speaker 3: so Sir Branton is like embracing Helene and she it's 1352 01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:55,960 Speaker 3: the witch double cross again. 1353 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,760 Speaker 2: Hagged again, but he's not going to get off that. 1354 01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:03,040 Speaker 3: No, of course, no, Loadak says, did you think I 1355 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,479 Speaker 3: did you really think I'd keep my word once I 1356 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:10,680 Speaker 3: had the ring? And Brandon seems genuinely shocked and betrayed. 1357 01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:14,240 Speaker 3: Did you notice like it's weird, how like surprised he 1358 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:15,040 Speaker 3: seems by this? 1359 01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,799 Speaker 2: But I made a deal with an evil wizard. 1360 01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like we already even talked about this, Like 1361 01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,679 Speaker 3: how does he I don't know, but Sir Branton says 1362 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:28,080 Speaker 3: she belongs to me. We made a bargain, and Lodak says, 1363 01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,599 Speaker 3: I don't bargain with mortals. I destroy them. And then 1364 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,799 Speaker 3: we get the magical destruction of Branton. What does Lodak 1365 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,320 Speaker 3: do to him? Does he summon an ogre to crush 1366 01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,200 Speaker 3: him like a grape? Does he create another heat tornado 1367 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:41,599 Speaker 3: to melt his flesh away? 1368 01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:42,479 Speaker 2: No? 1369 01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:47,000 Speaker 3: He transforms Sir Branton into a mounted head on the wall, 1370 01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,599 Speaker 3: like a stuffed deer head at a hunting lodge. 1371 01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:51,439 Speaker 2: And the effect is pretty funny here. 1372 01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,240 Speaker 3: Yes, it does look funny. In fact, I don't I'm 1373 01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,000 Speaker 3: not even sure it's not just the actor sticking his 1374 01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,280 Speaker 3: head through a hole in the wall. 1375 01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:01,720 Speaker 2: Been it might have been that simple, or it might 1376 01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,240 Speaker 2: have been some you know, some optical special effects that 1377 01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,040 Speaker 2: especially to a modern view, or you know, we're liable 1378 01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,719 Speaker 2: to miss because we take that sort of thing for granted. Yeah. 1379 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:15,080 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, back at home, we see more of Sybil trying 1380 01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:18,040 Speaker 3: to help George. She is trying to remember the words 1381 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,519 Speaker 3: to a spell that she knows she could use to 1382 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:23,960 Speaker 3: save George and defeat Lodak, but she can't remember the words. 1383 01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,840 Speaker 3: She knows, like, there's like a number of lines and 1384 01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,400 Speaker 3: they all rhyme with sack, I think, but you can't 1385 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:33,160 Speaker 3: remember the last word in the last line. Turns out 1386 01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:34,040 Speaker 3: it is attack. 1387 01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:34,519 Speaker 2: I think. 1388 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,760 Speaker 3: The last line when she finally does remember it later, 1389 01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:41,200 Speaker 3: it's help my son to attack. It seems like that'd 1390 01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,600 Speaker 3: be kind of obvious, but magic's complicated, It's true. She 1391 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,280 Speaker 3: decides to transform into a bird and fly to Lodak's castle, 1392 01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:50,679 Speaker 3: and she's going to figure out the spell on the way. 1393 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,679 Speaker 3: So at Lodak's castle, Lodak brings Helene to a dungeon 1394 01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,880 Speaker 3: room where George is shirtless and tied to a rack, 1395 01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:04,880 Speaker 3: and he he's, uh, this part's creepy. Yeah, He's like, hmm, 1396 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,519 Speaker 3: show me what young mortals in love dude to bid 1397 01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:11,320 Speaker 3: farewell before they die. So I think he just wants 1398 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,000 Speaker 3: to watch them make out a little. 1399 01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,519 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and and and mock them. But he's like 1400 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:17,840 Speaker 2: two feet away from them, maybe. 1401 01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,519 Speaker 3: Yes, standing right there, and they're they're smooching, and then 1402 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:27,160 Speaker 3: he's like, m how tender. Uh yeah, but too bad, 1403 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,680 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's too late for love now. Now 1404 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,040 Speaker 3: you're gonna die. Uh. So they both say they love 1405 01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,320 Speaker 3: each other, and George is the plan is he's gonna 1406 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,080 Speaker 3: have to watch through the window as Helene has fed 1407 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,360 Speaker 3: to the dragon, much like she was supposed to watch 1408 01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,559 Speaker 3: as the other princesses were fed to the dragon. 1409 01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,920 Speaker 2: Now, have we had the part where Lodak and Sybil 1410 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,559 Speaker 2: have their final zoom conference with each other and he 1411 01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,960 Speaker 2: destroys her mirror. We may we may have skipped over 1412 01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:52,639 Speaker 2: that by one. 1413 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,080 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I think I forgot to mention that scene. 1414 01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,280 Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's wonderfully spicy because like it's like Zdak 1415 01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,000 Speaker 2: calls in on the magic mirror and he's like, hmm, Sybil, 1416 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,639 Speaker 2: you're looking old, and I just stop to a really 1417 01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,320 Speaker 2: toxic start between these two and they kind of talk 1418 01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,880 Speaker 2: trash to each other, and then he destroys her mirror 1419 01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,559 Speaker 2: and he's like, you're not getting interfere with my plants. 1420 01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:17,599 Speaker 3: Oh, but Lodack's in for a surprise. So we get 1421 01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,320 Speaker 3: a scene of Lodac's minions preparing a feast, and one 1422 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,600 Speaker 3: of them is supposed to go get the cage of 1423 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,000 Speaker 3: shrunken people like the puppet people to put in the stew. 1424 01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,559 Speaker 3: But he drops the cage and they escape, and it's 1425 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,759 Speaker 3: a repeat of attack of the Puppet People. It's literally 1426 01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,559 Speaker 3: like the shrunken people get out and start like setting 1427 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,920 Speaker 3: up traps and wreaking havoc within the room. 1428 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,320 Speaker 2: It's nice they condensed all of that into a short 1429 01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,400 Speaker 2: segment in a much better film. Yeah. 1430 01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:47,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the puppet people, for some reason, they break 1431 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,799 Speaker 3: into George's cell and they bring him his magic sword 1432 01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,000 Speaker 3: and they use it to cut the ropes that are 1433 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,479 Speaker 3: binding our hero. They set him free. George thanks them. 1434 01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,679 Speaker 3: He tells them that even though the sword has lost 1435 01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,800 Speaker 3: its magic, it's still a which. 1436 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like an escalator, you know, it breaks down, 1437 01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:07,360 Speaker 2: nish Hedberg pointed out, still stares. That's a good point. 1438 01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, So the dragon is coming to eat Helene and 1439 01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,439 Speaker 3: she's you know, like tied up there for the dragon 1440 01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,120 Speaker 3: to eat. She's screaming in terror. And you know what 1441 01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:20,040 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, This dragon looks surprisingly good. I would say, 1442 01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,720 Speaker 3: actually shockingly good. For a Bert Eye Gordon movie. This is, 1443 01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,639 Speaker 3: without doubt the best looking special effect I've ever seen 1444 01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:28,519 Speaker 3: from mister Big. 1445 01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely looks looks amazing. You know, obviously you see it 1446 01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,559 Speaker 2: in motion. You know that it's an effect, you know, 1447 01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,839 Speaker 2: but it's it is very well done, and it's shooting flames. 1448 01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:40,280 Speaker 2: It looks dangerous and wild. 1449 01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,719 Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's like a big two headed dragon breathing fire. 1450 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,960 Speaker 3: It has frills on its head heads. And George comes 1451 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,519 Speaker 3: in on his horse. He's trying to save Helene, squaring 1452 01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:54,360 Speaker 3: off against the dragon with his lance. And then Sybil arrives. 1453 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,400 Speaker 3: She she like parks next to Lodak, who is looking 1454 01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:01,360 Speaker 3: down from above on a parapet, and Lodak says, Sybil, 1455 01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,920 Speaker 3: come to watch your boy die. But Sybil, she's busy 1456 01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,040 Speaker 3: trying to remember the next line of the spell to 1457 01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,559 Speaker 3: restore George's magic. I gotta say in the performance here, 1458 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,200 Speaker 3: she does not seem to have the appropriate sense of urgency. 1459 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,479 Speaker 3: She's still just doing her kind of absent minded, only 1460 01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,519 Speaker 3: half present, you know what was that next line? But 1461 01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,920 Speaker 3: eventually she does come up, she doesn't just remember it. 1462 01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:29,639 Speaker 3: Lodak cues her, you know. Lodak sees that George's magical 1463 01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,000 Speaker 3: weapons are not working against the dragon, and Lodak says 1464 01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,960 Speaker 3: he's even lost the power to attack. And then Sibyl's like, oh, 1465 01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,320 Speaker 3: that's the word attack. Give my boy the power to attack, 1466 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:42,800 Speaker 3: and so now I guess he's powered up once again. 1467 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:47,320 Speaker 3: Oh and then while Lodak is distracted, Sybil steals Lodak's ring. 1468 01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:52,320 Speaker 2: That's good, yep, yep. I'm a little foggy on how 1469 01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,439 Speaker 2: it works though, because we were told earlier you couldn't 1470 01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,800 Speaker 2: be taken by force, but I guess it can be 1471 01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,960 Speaker 2: slipped off while you're looking the other way. Too much 1472 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,519 Speaker 2: wizard grease on your fingers there. 1473 01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,519 Speaker 3: Now, Loadak doesn't consider himself defeated yet. She takes his ring, 1474 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,400 Speaker 3: but he says they will still die. I curse you, 1475 01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:13,479 Speaker 3: curse upon curse, and so George, Oh, here's how the 1476 01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,120 Speaker 3: math works out. Now that I'm remembering it, I think 1477 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:21,080 Speaker 3: the dragon itself is the sixth the curse. And then 1478 01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:26,040 Speaker 3: Lodak explains that the seventh curse is himself is Lodak. 1479 01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:27,840 Speaker 2: That's fitting. That's fitting. 1480 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, So Lodak seems ready to blast out some kind 1481 01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:35,720 Speaker 3: of killing magic, but then, in a fantastic payoff to 1482 01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,840 Speaker 3: what seemed like a really pointless setup that we were 1483 01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:43,360 Speaker 3: even making fun of earlier, Sybil turns into a panther 1484 01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:48,120 Speaker 3: and mauls Lodak, killing him. It's George's favorite trick when 1485 01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:49,040 Speaker 3: he was a boy. 1486 01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,479 Speaker 2: And now it's paid off once more. It's great and 1487 01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:54,519 Speaker 2: it's a great moment when Sybil gets her come up 1488 01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,680 Speaker 2: and see her because again Lodak has not considered her 1489 01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,160 Speaker 2: threat at all the entire time, and now she she 1490 01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,160 Speaker 2: has completely defeated him. For George, I get, you know, 1491 01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,240 Speaker 2: George is the hero. I get. I don't know. I 1492 01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:06,360 Speaker 2: feel like Sybil's the hero. 1493 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,720 Speaker 3: I mean, Sybil does most of the work, like she 1494 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,240 Speaker 3: enchants all of the items that allow George to defeat 1495 01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:16,479 Speaker 3: these monsters and stuff. I would say the most the 1496 01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,800 Speaker 3: craftiest thing that George does of his own accord is 1497 01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,599 Speaker 3: actually when he tricks Sybil into going in the basement 1498 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:27,080 Speaker 3: at the beginning and traps her there and his it 1499 01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:29,720 Speaker 3: is and most of his equipment does the. 1500 01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,600 Speaker 2: Rest yeah, which again she supplied. 1501 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:36,000 Speaker 3: But anyway, okay, so all is all is restored, All 1502 01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,960 Speaker 3: is happy now, and we go back to the castle 1503 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,240 Speaker 3: where the king is and Helene and George of return 1504 01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,720 Speaker 3: and it seems like the king approves of George now, 1505 01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:47,080 Speaker 3: so of course they're going to get married somehow. The 1506 01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,320 Speaker 3: Six Nights are alive again. They just are shown walking 1507 01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,160 Speaker 3: into the throne room. I don't think there's any explanation 1508 01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:57,120 Speaker 3: of how they're not dead. Did you pick up anything there? 1509 01:20:57,479 --> 01:20:59,439 Speaker 2: I kind of I was thinking about this and I 1510 01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:01,160 Speaker 2: was like, oh, I guess it's because you know, Sybil's 1511 01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:05,559 Speaker 2: brother whenever he froze them, like he made them his 1512 01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,040 Speaker 2: sorceress slaves forever. So it's like, you guys are not 1513 01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,200 Speaker 2: getting out of this just because you died horribly in 1514 01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,920 Speaker 2: this quest. Like no, no, no, Sybil. You belong to 1515 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,120 Speaker 2: Sybil forever and you have to serve her son or 1516 01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,559 Speaker 2: whoever happens to have the reins here. 1517 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,439 Speaker 3: It's like a Warlock pact. It's like, yeah, if you die, 1518 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,799 Speaker 3: you still you go to your you're in a Vernas, 1519 01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,160 Speaker 3: and you still have to serve the warlock. The patron. 1520 01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, they still seem upbeat about it, but I don't 1521 01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,000 Speaker 2: think they have any choice in the matter. 1522 01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:35,400 Speaker 3: Well, who's complaining. We get to hear all those wonderful 1523 01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:39,519 Speaker 3: accents again. And and then Sybil is also hanging out 1524 01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,880 Speaker 3: in the throne room. I guess she's like the court sorceress. 1525 01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:45,639 Speaker 3: Now she's gonna she's gonna heal the king's pink eye. 1526 01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,680 Speaker 3: And I think that's that's as about as happy an 1527 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,120 Speaker 3: ending as one could ask for. 1528 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,000 Speaker 2: It's really the rise of Sybil too, because she's gonna 1529 01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,759 Speaker 2: basically be running the place I was not super impressed 1530 01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:01,280 Speaker 2: by the king. Uh, Sybil is totally ruling this kingdom. 1531 01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,120 Speaker 2: Now there's a huge power vacuum left by the death 1532 01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:07,280 Speaker 2: of Lodak. So yeah, this is the reign of Sybil 1533 01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:07,800 Speaker 2: day one. 1534 01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:12,439 Speaker 3: I agree with that. The king's previous most decisive moments 1535 01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,000 Speaker 3: were things like I like these nights. 1536 01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:19,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, more belly dancing please. Yeah. 1537 01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,479 Speaker 3: Well, I pledge fealty to Lady Sybil. It may she 1538 01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:23,920 Speaker 3: rain for ten million years. 1539 01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,280 Speaker 2: All right. Well this one was a really fun one. Yeah. 1540 01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:31,640 Speaker 2: I encourage everyone out there to see this one. If 1541 01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,280 Speaker 2: if you were a fan of the old MA St 1542 01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:36,200 Speaker 2: three k version or the newer Riff tracks. 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