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You would think that we at 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: this point would basically know what happened in you have 17 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: all the years, but we don't. More revelations of more 18 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: lies coming out. We will update you on all of that. Also, 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: some fairly significant developments with regards to Ukraine putin issuing 20 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: a warning about those long range missiles that we are 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: planning to send over there. We'll give you those details 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: as well. Also, the Biden administration making some big moves 23 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: to try to plug that Russian sized hole in the 24 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: oil market, both with regards to Venezuela and also Saudi Arabia. 25 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: We also have big developments in the Pennsylvania Senate race 26 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: on both sides of that equation. McCormick went and conceded, 27 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: so we do have a Republican nominee now, doctor Oz. 28 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: On the other side, John Fetterman, there are increasing questions 29 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: about the status of his health and how he has 30 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: handled that whole situation. We also have some insight into CNN, 31 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: including some bombshell reporting from one in other soccer hashtigersonal 32 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: news about CNN. Don't worry, He's not like going there 33 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: or anything like that. It is interesting. Imagine big development. 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: Sager is leaving franking points, go to Senna. No, that's 35 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: not what's happening. We also have on a woman who's 36 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: a lawyer and a YouTuber. She goes by legal bites 37 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: on YouTube and she found herself in the middle of 38 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: this crazy Taylor Lorenz story. Taylor lied about her in 39 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: a column basically smearing. YouTubers who covered the Depp heard 40 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: trial crazy so excited to talk to her as well, 41 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: But we wanted to start with the very latest out 42 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: of Uvaldi stunning revelations from that mom. You guys probably 43 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: remember she was the one who shows up at the school. Yes, 44 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: she wants to go in. The cops outside handcuff her. Okay, 45 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: handcuff a mom. She then sort of talks her way 46 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: out of that. They agree to take the cuffs off. 47 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: She manages to get around them, jump the fence, go 48 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: into the school, get her two kids, and now for 49 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: the first time she is speaking to the press. Let's 50 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: take a listen to what she has to say. Rest 51 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: you because you're being very uncooperative. I said, well, you're 52 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: gonna have to arrest them because I'm going in there, 53 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: and I'm telling you right now, I don't see none 54 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: of y'all in there. Y'all are standing with snipers and 55 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: y'all are far away. I y'all don't go in there. 56 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm going in there. He right immediately put me in cuff, 57 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: she says. After you've all the police officers told marshals 58 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: to uncuff Gomez. She ran towards the school. As soon 59 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: as they uncoffed me, I jumped that first gate fence 60 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: and once I jumped it, I went to my son's 61 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: class and then knocked on the door, and I remember 62 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: the teacher saying, I'm like, hey, they're already. They're already 63 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: boat cutting the fence to get me. She's like, you 64 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: think we have time to get out, and say, y'all 65 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: have time, I'm gonna run for my other son. Once 66 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: she was assured her son was okay, Gomez ran to 67 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: get her other child, encountering more officers who tried to 68 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: stop her. So I started yelling and I'm being in 69 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: cooperative and I'm like, well, y'all aren't doing what are 70 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: y'all doing? I do? Y'all need to be in here. 71 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: Give me your best, somebody, give me a bet something. 72 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: And if anything, they were being more aggressive on us 73 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: parents that were willing to go in there, And like 74 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: I told one of the officers, I don't need you 75 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: to protect me. Get away from me. I don't need 76 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: your protection. If anything, I need you to go in 77 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: there with me to go protect my kids. And if anything, 78 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: they were being more aggressive on us. They're more pertained 79 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: on keeping us back than getting in that school. So 80 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: she also reveals that she, you know, wandered those hallways 81 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: getting both of her kids. She says she didn't see 82 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: police officers in the hallway. So even this story about oh, 83 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: we were there and there were nineteen of us, that's 84 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: in serious doubt at this point. That's number one. Number two, 85 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: this woman is clearly amazing. She is incredibly courageous obviously, 86 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: you know, even just to speak to the press at 87 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: this point because put this next piece up on the screen. 88 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: They threatened her with an obstruction of justice charge. She 89 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: is on probation from some charge from a decade ago, 90 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: and they told her, the police that if she keeps 91 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: talking to the media, they will hit her with an 92 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: obstruction of justice charge and potential violation. Yeah, do go 93 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: ahead and violator. See how it was going to work 94 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: out for you. I mean, it's just it's just unbelievable. 95 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,679 Speaker 1: They couldn't do anything when it came to taking out 96 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: this mass murderer who was killing their children, but handcuff 97 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: a mom and threatened to hit her with charges. Disgusting 98 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: And by the way, one other note on this mom. 99 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: I don't know those of you who are watching can 100 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: see in the background, she's kind of like in a 101 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: field there and there's equipment moving around. She's actually a 102 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: farm worker. She had come straight from work to her 103 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: kids for the sort of end of the year school ceremony. 104 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: She said she originally didn't want to take a picture 105 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: with them because she was all dirty and dusty from 106 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: the field, but they insisted if she has this photo 107 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: of her with her kids that morning. And then she'd 108 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: gone back to work when she heard this was all happening, 109 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: and you know, sped back to this school. But it's 110 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: just unbelievable how they seem to have literally lied about 111 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: every single thing that happened on that den. Yeah, and 112 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: the cover up here is just unbelievable whenever you consider 113 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: not only they threatened her, they're in full fledged hiding. 114 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: Let's put this up there on the screen. You know, 115 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: reporters down in Texas are continuing to try and get 116 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,559 Speaker 1: interviews with that guy, Pete Aredondo, who was the city 117 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, you've ALDCISD police chief who made the call 118 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: not to go in, and now city hall is locking 119 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: its doors during business hours, declining to provide any public 120 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: records to all reporters and Valde CISD falsely had said 121 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: that the first school board meeting since the incident was 122 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: going to be closed to the public. So what they 123 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: continue to do is try to make it so that 124 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: it is impossible to hold these people to account. And 125 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: remember this guy, Pete Aradondo, the Uvalde CISD police chief. 126 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: He also was recently sworn in as a member of 127 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: the city council. He is refusing to speak to the press. 128 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: You know, he was confronted by CNN outside of his 129 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: house and he just said, look, I don't have anything 130 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: to say in terms of his communication Crystal with the 131 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: Texas Department of Public Safety and the FBI, they say 132 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: he's been uncooperative or they've said we've had some communication, 133 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: which to me reads like, yeah, he's talking through his lawyer. 134 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: I mean, he's in hiding and he's even apparently EVALDEPD 135 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: has called in other cops in the area to protect them. 136 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: So they want protection, protection that they weren't willing to give, 137 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: you know, to these children. And I think that what 138 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: shines through out of all of this is that the 139 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: people of Uvaldi are furious, not just the mom, but 140 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, quoted in almost every story are people who 141 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: are nearby or who are residents of the town, and 142 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: they say, straight up, these people are cowards. They call 143 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: them absolute cowards. They think that this guy, Pete Ardando 144 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: needs to go. He's trying to wait this out. He 145 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: wants you all to forget that this ever happened and 146 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: to try and get absorbed into a meta conversation about 147 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: gun control. And we're going to talk about that, you know, 148 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: later on in this block, but let's stay a focus 149 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: still on the incident. Yeah, there's a lot that's come 150 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: out to about how there was a lot of public 151 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: mistrust of this police force before this incident. There are 152 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: people quoted who said, you know, basically, you call with 153 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: some sort of disturbance, you want help, They're not reliable 154 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 1: in terms of showing up. So there was already mistrust here. 155 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: And you know, obviously Aradondo has a lot to answer for, 156 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: but you know, I don't think he's the only one 157 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: to blame here, which is why the city officials are 158 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: helping to basically complete his vanishing act. I mean, that's 159 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: the way that they phrase it in this article. They 160 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: say that you know, he was the city officials have 161 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: assisted in his managing act. They canceled previously scheduled public 162 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: ceremony Tuesday, instead swore him and in secret for his 163 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: latest role on the city council, locking city Hall doors 164 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: during business hours, declining to provide any public records to reporters. 165 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: The chief of the city police force so a different dude, 166 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: a guy named Daniel Rodriguez. He's declined to answer questions 167 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: about his officers response to the shooting. A Valdi cisd 168 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: that's the school district official total reporter falsely that the 169 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: first school board meeting since the incident would be closed 170 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: to the public. At the special meeting Friday, an agenda 171 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: item allowed the board to terminate Aredondo. The board declined 172 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: to do so. So are the most the largest number 173 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: of questions for this guy Aradondo, who's in total hiding. Yes, 174 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: are there many more questions to go around for everybody 175 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: who stood by. I mean, we still are not getting 176 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: a straight answer here about what unfolded on this day, 177 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: Who is culpable, who made the decisions, and what this 178 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: all look like. Because it also another question that's been 179 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: raised is why he maintained control of the situation as like, 180 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, the top dog in charge of the response 181 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: when the local police force responds, and they had more 182 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: experience dealing with these sort of mass shooting incidents. Why 183 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: didn't they take commands? So still a lot of questions here. 184 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: We also have another eyewitness account to add another piece 185 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: to the puzzle of what actually happened. Since we clearly 186 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: cannot get a single straight answer for anyone who was 187 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: supposedly in charge, Gunn put this next piece up on 188 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: the screen. This is from a man who works as 189 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: a funeral attendant at that funeral parlor that is across 190 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: the street from the school. He says he encountered the 191 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: gunman and tried to go after the shooter, but he 192 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: was held back again by police. The account he tells 193 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: is really chilling. Here, he saw the he saw the 194 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: murderer crash is struck in that ditch. He goes over, 195 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: you know, saying hey, man, are you okay? And the 196 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: guy looks at him with what he describes as this 197 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: sort of chilling look in his eyes. But at that 198 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: point he just thinks, oh, he stays, you just wrecked 199 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: his truck. So he still, you know, say hey, are 200 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: you all right? What's going on? And then he sees 201 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: him reaching his truck get the ar fifteen and turn around, 202 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: and that's when Cody Bersanio is the name of this 203 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: funeral attendant, tries to run. He slips and falls. His 204 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: coworker is there. He says to him like he's got 205 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: a gun, takes off running, so they both managed to 206 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: get away while the killer is firing at them, misses 207 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: luckily all of those shots. So he goes back into 208 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: the funeral parlor, calls his wife says, bring me my gun. 209 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: She gets there with the gun at about the same 210 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: time that the police are arriving and responding. He tries 211 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: to go in and the police hold him back and say, 212 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: you can't, you can't. You can't. Now listen, if you're 213 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: the police and you're there and you're actually responding, I 214 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: understand why you're not going to let a civilian interfere 215 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: and you doing your job and getting done what needs 216 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: to be done. But of course they were not doing that. 217 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: And the incredibly, incredibly sad end of this is Brasannio 218 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: now is he's digging the graves for these children who 219 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: were murdered, and he says he feels guilty, and this 220 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: is his quote. I feel guilty, man, because I couldn't 221 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: stop him. He was shooting at the windows, and I 222 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: didn't have my gun on me, so he again. I 223 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: mean something that actually Kyle said to me, which I 224 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: think is the truest thing about this whole situation is 225 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: if you had had just random civilians off the street 226 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: responding to this incident, you would have had a better 227 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: respart yea than from these supposedly trained professionals who were 228 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: just complete cowards. This is the perfect evidence that you 229 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: have the guy here and his immediate thought is, oh, 230 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: we need to go He's like calls his wife, He's like, 231 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: bring me my gun, we need to go in. He's 232 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: ready to go in. He's ready to volunteer his life 233 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: in order to save children. As again you would hope 234 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: that any police officer on the scene would do, and 235 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: not even hope. It is written in their training. It 236 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: is written explicitly if you are the first person you 237 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: are going to confront the gunman. If this makes you uncomfortable, 238 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: choose another line of work. It may require you having 239 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: you to sacrifice your life. That is why we have 240 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: a social contruct where you get all this military gear 241 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: and all this money and these great benefits and societies 242 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: like you know, thanks and all that they're supposed to 243 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: be like a two way deal here, and I just 244 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: think all these people, every person, the incident commander, you've AALDPD. 245 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: Because here's the thing too, YOUVALDPD and city council at 246 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: this point, you know, we saw the UVALDPD trying to 247 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: throw those journalists off of the sidewalk, you know, and 248 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: then they're they're all engagedent cover up. Exactly. It is 249 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: a complete cover up. These people need to be Look, 250 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how exactly the system would work, but 251 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: with the state can obviously move in and just be 252 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: like all right, like you know, you've AALDPD, like disbanded. 253 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: How do any of these people still have their jobs? 254 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: How are they not all under investigation right now? That 255 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: I mean at this board meeting that they don't remove Aradona, 256 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: I mean he completely failed at the task, Like you 257 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: have one job and you completely failed, and that they 258 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: just you know, they do this board meeting, they try 259 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: to make sure no press can be there, and they 260 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: keep them on. I don't know what to say. They 261 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: just don't know what to say. There really is just 262 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a cover up of immense proportion. 263 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: We're going to continue covering it. A lot of people 264 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,359 Speaker 1: are trying to move on from the story. Pete Aredondo 265 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: wants us to move on from the story. It's just 266 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: not going to happen. Yeah, it's an egregious crime. This 267 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: is a very interesting development. The new bosses at CNN 268 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: clearly walk in and like, what kind of shit show 269 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: did we just purchase over here? Let's put this up 270 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: there on the screen. Their new boss actually taking aim. 271 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: It's something that drives me crazy in cable news, which 272 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: is that the new boss says that CNN needs to 273 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: abide by a new breaking news standard and says that 274 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: they are over using the breaking news banner across its 275 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: network and Cable News writ large. He says, quote, we 276 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: are truth tellers focused on informing, not alarming our viewers 277 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: who have already seen far less of the breaking news 278 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: banner across our programming. He says he agrees with complaints 279 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: from both inside and outside the organization that the network 280 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: uses the breaking news banner, it has become a fixture 281 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: on every channel and the network, and that its impact 282 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: has become lost on the audience. We always joke about 283 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: this whenever you're watching Fox News. They're like, it's they 284 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: have the music and like and they're like, it's Fox 285 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: News Alert. It's eleven pm here on the coast. You're like, 286 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: why is it the Fox News alert? Why? Same with 287 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: the it's like breaking news. President Biden about to speak, 288 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: Why is that breaking? Well? Right, what does that mean 289 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: to be breaking new? Something that happened like three days ago? 290 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: We have breaking news here four days ago? What are 291 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: you talking about further? We're further breaking coverage of the ongoing. 292 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: Hold on a second, because breaking and ongoing don't have 293 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: the same connotation. It has become something that is intrinsic 294 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: to cable news. Roger Ail's fault actually in terms of 295 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: making sure that this all happened in the first place. 296 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: Zucker did not pioneer this, but he stuck to it. 297 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: A lot of people did. In CNN. Now the first 298 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: people to kind of step back, and you know, The 299 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: New York Times wrote it up in an interesting way, 300 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: which is that the new bosses over at CNN are 301 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: very very aware of the problems that they have. Let's 302 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen, which is that 303 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: this new guy, Chris Licked and the Discovery CEO are 304 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: trying to undo many of the damages that Jeff Zucker 305 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: put in, you know, beyond just the breaking news issues. 306 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: They're pointing to the fact that they had to deal 307 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: with the Chris Cuomo cover up. They had to deal 308 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: obviously with Zucker and his mistress and all that cover up. 309 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: They had to deal with the CNN plus a disaster 310 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: and just shut it down completely in some of the 311 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: first days of actually owning this thing. But more important, 312 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: they had to shut down, you know, the snarky headlines, 313 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: like the immediate fact checks in the print. They're like 314 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: that stuff is over. They're like, we're done in terms 315 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: of that. And then I somehow had a personal experience 316 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: because I watched I said in this What they said 317 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: is political shows are trying to book more conservative voices, 318 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: and producers have been urged to ignore Twitter backlash from 319 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: the far right and the far left. And this made 320 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: a lot of sense because on Sunday, I'm minding my 321 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: own business and I get a text message from some 322 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: producer over at CNN asking would you be able to 323 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: join our panel in New York City at nine pm. 324 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: It's I was like no. I was like, I don't 325 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: do cable news. Unless there's a really good reason, you know, 326 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: given exactly what we do here, So you want me 327 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: to waste my time and skip my own show to 328 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: go up to New York to appear on your stupid 329 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: ass panel panel random CNN panel with CNN's greatest analysts 330 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: that they can pay over there for like a five 331 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: minute hit where we were talking about this. We're clearly 332 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: a hit, by the way, is with lingo for appearance 333 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: in television. For me to appear on your panel where 334 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: they'll be like you're a racist in a scumbag. Do 335 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: you have a response, And I'll be like, well, do 336 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: I have? You know some time like no, we have 337 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: to go to commercial. That's your response? Up, Soccer, really 338 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the train in New York and all 339 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: of this in order to make that happen. So as 340 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: much as I personally would love to go on there 341 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 1: and really tell them how it is, if I ever 342 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: got the opportunity to do something like Brian Stelter's show 343 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: or something like that as one on one, I would 344 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: absolutely do that just to call him out to his face. 345 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: But something like this, it's like they're clearly just scrambling 346 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 1: to try and get somebody on there. So the TLDR 347 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: is I said no obviously, so I could be here 348 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: with you beautiful people here on this show. And look, 349 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna work, and they really have 350 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: their work cut out for them. I can understand that 351 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: why they reached out to you, because I mean, you 352 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: are kind of like a unicorn in that you have 353 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: these right of center views on certain issues, but you 354 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: haven't like just completely like lost your mind and you know, 355 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: gone down some conspiracy rabbit holes. So I can understand 356 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: why they would want. Plus, they just see our numbers 357 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: and they're like, we want something, h we want some 358 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, So I get why they reach out 359 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: to you. I mean, I'll tell you, like spoiler alert, 360 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: this is what's going to happen with CNN, because this 361 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: is exactly what happened with MSNBC when I was there, 362 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: and when I got canceled. Ultimately they brought it a 363 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: new president. He looked around. Some of this has to 364 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: do with like what they think is going to work 365 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: from a revenue perspective. Some of it has to do 366 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: with what they think will make them comfortable in their 367 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: social CIRCLEUS and so New NBC News president comes in. 368 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: He says, all this opinion stuff has to go. We're 369 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: going to put in the NBC news quote unquote personalities 370 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: who might call them lack of personalities, and you know, 371 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: we're going to lean into our journalism and we're going 372 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: to be down the middle, and that's what we're going 373 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: to do. So, you know, he puts in people like 374 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: Kate Snow, gives Chuck Todd his Daily show, like all this, 375 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: all this stuff brilliant, amazing moves. So they go in 376 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: this direction and then what happens, Trump Trump happens. And 377 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: guess which shows performed the best. The ones that we're 378 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: willing to be the most opinionated and the most sort 379 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: of deranged and outrageous, those were the ones that got 380 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: the best ratings. And so you know, they were even 381 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: thinking of getting rid of Laurence O'Donnell, who's the ten 382 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: pm primetime slot, but they couldn't because his ratings were 383 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: some of the best on the network. So ultimately they 384 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, that whole plan of we're going to be 385 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: down the middle, we're going to use our journalist, et cetera, 386 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: gets tossed out the window because ultimately, what's sold in 387 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: the Trump era was Trump's arrangement, and so they leaned 388 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: into you know, whoever, whoever had that, whoever was doing 389 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: that thing and satisfying the audience's desire for that. And 390 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: it's going to be the same thing with CNN because ultimately, look, 391 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: their ratings are terrible right now. So right now it's 392 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: easy for them to say, we're going to go back 393 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: to this down the middle reporting and they're imagining, oh, 394 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: that'll open us up to a broader audience and we 395 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: won't just have this niche. But there is no mass 396 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: broad audience for news anymore. And you don't have, because 397 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: of structural reasons and cable news the ability to actually 398 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: do something that would be good and like honest and 399 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: that people would like and that is different and challenges 400 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: corporate power and anyway, like there's just they can't do that. 401 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: And so what they're gonna what's gonna happen is they're 402 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: going to get back into the presidential election season, which 403 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: is going to happen sooner than any of you all 404 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: think it is going to. Trump's going to be back 405 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,640 Speaker 1: in the scene. That's what's gonna break, And they're gonna 406 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: go right back to where they were yes it's gonna 407 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,239 Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct, the moment that Trump announces. By the way, 408 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: there's actually some rumors that he might announce before the midterms. Yeah, 409 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: he might announce before the midterms in order to preempt 410 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: any efforts to try and replace him, in order to 411 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: take a complete hold on the GOP field. It's going 412 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: to be all Trump, all the time. They're going to 413 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,959 Speaker 1: go right back to what rates with their crazy resistance 414 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: boomer audience. You know, just because those people turned out 415 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,239 Speaker 1: they can't resist Trump. Something about Trump has roted these 416 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: people's brains where they will watch anything about how he's 417 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: bad or whatever the next drama is with him, and 418 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: we will all be subjected to the same insanity that 419 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: we were over the last four years. I don't know 420 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: if we can do it again, but we'll be here 421 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: on brain indeed, indeed watching it all unfold. All right, guys, 422 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: So last week we covered the conclusion of the Depth 423 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: Heard trial, and as she does, Taylor Lorenzo the Washington 424 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: Post had to put her take on what all of 425 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: this meant. Which she decided to focus on was the 426 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: content creators who covered the trial and who got a 427 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: lot of views and did very well because there was 428 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: a lot of public interest in the trial and it 429 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: was not really covered extensively in the mainstream media. Taylor 430 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: decided this was somehow really nefarious. Oh okay, So not 431 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: only does she do this in her column, but then 432 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: she has to lie about having reached out to some 433 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: of these content creators for comment and saying, well, they 434 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: didn't respond, when in reality she had just never bothered 435 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: to reach out to them whatsoever. In the end, the 436 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: Washington Post has to issue this long At first it 437 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: was called a correction. Then it was so lengthy they 438 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: had to turn it into an editor's note about how, 439 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: oh we said we reached out or we really didn't 440 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: and actually we reached out to this one on social 441 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: media and they didn't get back to us. Okay. So 442 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: all of that being said, we decided to have one 443 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: of those content creators on to tell her side of 444 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: the story here after being smeared and lied about by 445 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: Taylor Lorenz in the Washington Post. Alita Majaika is the 446 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: content creator on YouTube. Her channel is called legal Bites. 447 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: She does legal analysis. Go ahead and put her channel 448 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: up on the screen. There. She does all sorts of 449 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: legal analysis, including extensive coverage of the Depp heard trial, 450 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: and she joins us, Now, great to meet you, Alita. Yeah, 451 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: good to see you. Hi, so nice to meet you guys. Yeah, 452 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: of course, listen, before we get into the tailor stuff, 453 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: I just love for you to set up, you know, 454 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: your conception of your channel and what you're doing over there, 455 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: because one of the things that there were a lot 456 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: of things that sort of irritated me about the framing 457 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: from Taylor, but one of the things that irritated me 458 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: is she seemed to indicate that you would like completely 459 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: switch your channel around to cover this trial, when in reality, 460 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: I mean, your channel is focused on legal issue. So 461 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: it seemed to me like it was a very natural 462 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,719 Speaker 1: fit that you would lean into something that had obviously 463 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: a lot of public attention. So why don't you go 464 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: ahead and set that up for us? Alita? Thank you. Yeah. 465 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: I started the channel around two years ago. I'm a 466 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: licensed attorney. I'm licensed in California and DC, and the 467 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: whole point of this channel is to explain the law 468 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: one bite at a time. That's always been the motto, 469 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: if you will, of the channel, and that's what I do. 470 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: I take current events, pop culture, et cetera, and I 471 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: break down the law so that people can understand it 472 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: in more digestible, kind of bite sized ways. Well that's 473 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: great and I think that people need that. And the 474 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: attack Alita on you by Taylor appeared to be that 475 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: you were somehow grifting by focusing and covering this trial. 476 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: So first of all, maybe just tell us like how 477 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: you decided to start covering the trial. I mean, obviously 478 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: there was a ton of public interest and you were 479 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: filling a niche something that we happened to do over here. 480 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: I don't think that that's a crime either, But tell 481 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: us about how you kind of came the trial decided 482 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: to start covering it, and then we'll get into what 483 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: the exact post said about you. Yeah, so this wasn't 484 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: the first time that I've live streamed a trial, at 485 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: least well this is the first time on my channel, 486 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: but the first one was the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, which 487 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: was over on Rackaida Laws channel. He invited a bunch 488 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: of US YouTube lawyers onto his channel to basically do 489 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: exactly the same thing, to live stream it from gable 490 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: to gabble. Give our commentary, give our thoughts, the good, 491 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: the bad, the ugly, and basically go from there. So 492 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: I had that experience already, and when I came across 493 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: this case, it was maybe about a month before the 494 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: trial began, and I was very interested in not only 495 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: just the underlying facts of the case were very interesting, 496 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: but I also saw a community that was very, very 497 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: skeptical and not trusting of the mainstream media because of 498 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: its treatment of this case. Already for years, years people 499 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: had been frustrated with the media's treatment of the case. 500 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: So I figured this was a very interesting case to 501 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: take a look at. I wanted to look at it self, 502 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: not rely on the headlines, because I had learned from 503 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: the Rittenhouse trial seeing for myself what the trial was 504 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: like and then seeing what the headlines were like coming 505 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: out of that, and that there was a vast difference 506 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: from what they saw versus what I saw. So I 507 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: wanted to cover it from gable to the gavel on 508 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: my channel with a bunch of other YouTube lawyers and 509 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: other professionals. By the way, I had a nurse, I 510 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: had two psychologists, I had a behavioral analyst. I had 511 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of people on the channel to basically give 512 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: their their takes from a professional and personal perspective, and 513 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 1: so that was what I decided that I wanted to do. 514 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: I started covering it three weeks to a month before 515 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: the trial began, long before it was ever clear that 516 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: it was going to become like this global phenomenon that 517 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: it became Wow. Yeah. And you know what, even if 518 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: you had realized there was this need and then jumped 519 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: on it once it already, that's fine, there's nothing wrong 520 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: with that. And what really bothered me why this piece 521 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: particularly stuck in my cras, so to speak, is because 522 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: she makes this whole point about how YouTubers don't you know, 523 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: they don't have to by by journalistic ethics and they're 524 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: just The whole point is like, oh, they're just chasing 525 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: the money, as if the mainstream press doesn't have their 526 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: own incentives and money making ventures backing them. And also, ironically, 527 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: in this piece that's in part about how YouTubers don't 528 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: have journalistic ethics, Taylor Lruns herself violates journalistic ethics by 529 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: lying about whether or not she reached out to for 530 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: comment to you and another content creator, so talked us 531 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: through that part of the story from your perspective. So 532 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: what happened was I saw that she had published the article, 533 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: and to be honest, I wasn't following her. I was 534 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: vaguely familiar with her before this, but not really only 535 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: just surrounding some sort of big I guess, controversies you 536 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: could say. But other than that, I really didn't know 537 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: one thing about her beyond that, didn't really have too 538 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: many opinions about her, to be honest. But somebody had 539 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: tagged me on Twitter and said, hey, you've got an 540 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: article that's about you and it's not great. And this 541 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: had already happened a couple of times. People have been 542 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: talking about law Tube so to speak, and other content 543 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: creators in the context of this trial. So I was like, Okay, 544 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, more shade whatever. But I took a look 545 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: at it and I saw that she had She said 546 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 1: that she had reached out for comment, and I was like, 547 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: I mean, I've gotten a lot of emails in the 548 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: last couple of months, like things have been pretty crazy. 549 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: But let me let me double check my email just 550 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: to see if she, like other journalists, reached out to me. 551 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: I looked for her first name, her last name, Washington Post. 552 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: I saw nothing. There was nothing in my email indicating 553 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: any kind of of professional that was reaching out to 554 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: me for comment. So I tweeted about it and I said, 555 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think this is accurate, but you know, okay, 556 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,719 Speaker 1: And then I saw that the other content creator that 557 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: was in the same paragraph as me, that Umbrella guy. 558 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: You know, he and I follow each other also because 559 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: he's been he's been one of the most active and 560 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: most prominent in the Justice for Johnny up community for years, 561 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: and so he said the same thing. So I was like, okay, 562 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: so it's not just me, I'm not missing something. So 563 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: then I get a direct message from her on Twitter saying, hey, 564 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, here's my phone number you can reach 565 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: out to me. And I was like, okay, well, you 566 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: referenced you referenced the information that you got about me 567 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: from this Business Insider article. That article also mentioned that 568 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm living overseas, So it feels very disingenuous for you 569 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: to give me your phone number for me to reach 570 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: out to you if you know that I'm overseas, because 571 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: obviously you have definitely read that article if you are 572 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: referencing it. So then I guess. About ten minutes later, 573 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: she also DM my Instagram account as well, so several 574 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: iterations of corrections later then I see, well, I guess 575 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: before that. One of the first corrections was I guess 576 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: the stealth edit of removing that parenthetical saying that she 577 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: had reached out to us. And then there was the 578 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: correction of course that said, you know, we removed that parenthetical. 579 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: There was an error blah blah blah. And then there 580 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: was another correction after that saying, well, we didn't reach 581 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: out to that umbrella guy, but we did reach out 582 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: to Alita Majaka for you know, through Instagram, when that 583 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: was actually the last place where she tried to reach 584 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: out to me, after she had reached out on Twitter privately, 585 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: after I had already called her out. So we have 586 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: your tweet, guys, go ahead and put this up on 587 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: the screen that has this final editors known you say 588 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: what at Washington Posts. I will say this again, I 589 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: was not reached out to you by Taylor Runs for 590 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: comment until after my tweet below. She reached out to 591 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: me by Instagram DM after she did on Twitter. Both 592 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: gms were sent to me after I called her around here. 593 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: Please stop lying and take the l and I'll just 594 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: read the editor's note here so people can see how extensive. 595 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: This is and I want to make sure that I 596 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: have the timeline right here too, Alita. So first they 597 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: just once you guys call them out, they just sort 598 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: of stealth delete the We reached out to them for comment, 599 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: which violates their own standards. They realized they violated their 600 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,719 Speaker 1: own standards and this is becoming a thing. Then they 601 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: issue this correction, which then they make into an editor's note, 602 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: which still is not correct. What it says is the 603 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: first published version of the story stated in correctly that 604 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: internet influencers Alita Majaka and that Umbrella Guy had been 605 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: contacted for comment before publication. In fact, only Majaka was 606 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: asked via Instagram. And you say that's not true. After 607 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: the story was published, the Post continue to see comment 608 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: from Majaka via social media and queried that Umbrella Guy 609 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: for the first time. During that process, the Post removed 610 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: the incorrect statement, but didn't notice removal. That's a violation 611 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: of our corrections policy. So this turned out to a 612 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: complete mess. You know, I mean, listen, why is it 613 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: worth like sort of going into the details of the 614 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, the life of the story and the various 615 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: corrections that were issued. What do you think is the 616 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: broader point here, Alita, Well, I mean, as you mentioned before, 617 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: it is ironic that this whole point of this article 618 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: was to say how mainstream media is no longer being 619 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: being turned to by the people because you know, you 620 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: have you have these these these influencers on TikTok and 621 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: on YouTube were suddenly pivoting their content to make a buck. 622 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: They're clout chasing, they're trying, they're just covering this because 623 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 1: they want to increase their followers, increase their subscribers, that 624 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And the subtext seems to be that 625 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: this is dangerous because misinformation is a big deal, and 626 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: who's there to fact check these dangerous influencers, when in reality, 627 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm just asking for fair reporting on this thing. And 628 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is that when it comes 629 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: to my followers, when it comes to me making any 630 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: kind of a factual assertion to my followers and my subscribers, 631 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: I have a community that is actually very well versed 632 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: in the underlying facts. So if I get something wrong, 633 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: they call me out on it. So I would expect 634 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: nothing less than of someone who is purporting to be 635 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: someone who is a guardian of misinformation as well. Yeah, 636 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: I mean it sounds to me. I mean, look, I 637 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: wasn't super into this tribe, but if I was, I 638 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: would have watched you. I don't know why I would 639 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: have to turn into these tabloids or whatever. It sounds 640 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: like you're doing a much better job than a lot 641 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: of these people. And we didn't just want to talk 642 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: about this. I was actually curious for your reaction to 643 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: Amberherd's attorney's first interview over on CNN, she blames social 644 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 1: media for the verdict. Let's take a listen. We're going 645 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: to get a reaction afterwards. Is there any way to 646 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: see this verdict in any other way than the jury 647 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: simply did not believe Amber. You know, there's no question 648 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: that influence was there. It's kind of strange because it 649 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: was a mixed verdict as well, which suggested that they 650 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: did believe at least some. And it seems we would 651 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: call that messy more than inconsistent, I think, but possibly that. 652 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: But I think really what happens here is that it 653 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: is kind of a throwback to an earlier time when 654 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: it was automatic than when a woman said I have 655 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: been the victim of domestic violence. She's just not believed. Oh, 656 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: Johnny we know Johnny, he would never do that, and 657 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: that's kind of what we got here. Now, remember that 658 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: we had another trial back in the UK, same issues. 659 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: Lots more evidence came in on that one, and what 660 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: mister Deb's team apparently learned from that is this time, 661 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: demonize Amber and suppress as much evidence as you can. 662 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: Your reaction, Alito, what do you think, Well, if she's 663 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: trying to point to social media and TikTok and YouTube 664 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: as to blame for anything in this trial, I would 665 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: simply point to Amberhurd's legal team because they were the 666 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: ones that brought in all of the hashtags as evidence 667 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: through their expert, through one of their data experts, and 668 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: the jury arguably would not have known of the Amber 669 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: Turd hashtag, the Justice for Johnny Depp hashtag, or any 670 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: of the others if it had not been for their 671 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: questioning of their own direct examination of their own expert witness. So, 672 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, an argument can be made that it's very difficult, 673 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: of course, for the jury to stay away from the public, 674 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: to stay away from the news, to stay away from 675 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: social media on a case like this, because this case, 676 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: of course, was everywhere all around the world. But you know, 677 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: and We've had converse on my channel also with me 678 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: and other attorneys about just how much we trust her 679 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: is to follow the rules of a particular case. But 680 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: I call me naive, but I do think that at 681 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 1: the very least the majority of those jurors probably took 682 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: those rules to heart and really did their best to 683 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: stay away from the media coverage of this case while 684 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: it was pending, because they're giving up a month and 685 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: a half to two months of their lives for this case, 686 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: and they understand the high stakes and the money and 687 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: the life that is at stake between these two parties, 688 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: and the importance of the allegations involved. So typically it's 689 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: my opinion that a jury is going to pay attention 690 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: to that and take that very seriously. The other part 691 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: of Taylor's article is she sort of insinuates that this 692 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: decision was wrongly made or was the wrong decision, and 693 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: she uses, you know, your sort of monetary incentives to 694 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: frame like, oh, they were coming in on this one 695 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: side because that was where the money was, And there's 696 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: kind of an insinuation in there that that may have 697 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: influenced thecome of the trial. As Amberherd's attorney says, there 698 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: more directly, but there's no no even attempt to engage 699 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: with any the legal analysis. It's all just sort of 700 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: a smearing of the motives and a raising of nefarious 701 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: intent rather than actually dealing with the the you know, 702 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: legal specifics of the case, which I'm not a lawyer. 703 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: I didn't follow this case at all, so I have 704 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: no opinion whatsoever whether this was wrongly or rightly decide. 705 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know, am agnostic, But I did want 706 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: to ask you, a leader, because the case that was 707 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: made on the other side that I saw, you know, 708 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: prominently among a lot of a lot of liberals, though 709 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: not uniformly, was that this was a sort of blow 710 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: for survivors of domestic abuse, that people were going to 711 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: feel like they couldn't speak out when they, you know, 712 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 1: suffered from abuse, and that it would kind of chill 713 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: the ability of women to come or anyone who suffers 714 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: from sexual from physical violence in a relationship to be 715 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: able to come forward. What did you make of that argument? 716 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: Do you think there's any merit to that? Well, I 717 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: think that there's always going to be a concern one 718 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: way or another about that coming out of a trial 719 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: like this, But I do think. I mean, well, number one, 720 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: as far as the argument that all of these channels, 721 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: including my own, are overwhelmingly pro Johnny Depp, I can't 722 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: speak to other channels, but I can save that for 723 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: my channel. The panel of lawyers that I had, the 724 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: vast majority of them, came into this trial knowing little 725 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: to nothing about the underlying facts or the arguments in 726 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: the case. And actually, in the first couple of days 727 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,360 Speaker 1: they said to me. At the end of the trial 728 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: day they said on air, they were like, I don't 729 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: think he's going to win, because defamation cases are very 730 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: difficult for any public figure to win, and this one 731 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: he has a huge, huge mountain to climb. And I 732 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 1: remember telling them I knew a lot of the underlying 733 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: facts because I had been spending the last month researching it. 734 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: And I told them, I said, just just wait, just 735 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: wait and watch. And one by one they all started 736 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: to end up in Johnny Depp's camp just because of 737 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: the facts that were laid out in front of them, 738 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: and they all played devil's advocate. Because these are all 739 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: practicing lawyers, licensed attorneys that are in the habit of 740 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: poking and prodding both sides of a particular argument, especially 741 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to litigation or a trial. So as 742 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: far as that is concerned, you know, I very much 743 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: push against that, and I think that that is just 744 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: another example of someone who has decided to write about 745 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: my coverage of this trial without actually looking at the 746 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: content that's on my channel. But as for the other aspects, 747 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, the Justice for Johnny Depp community, what I 748 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: have noticed is that there are a lot of domestic 749 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: violence survivors, both male and female, and I think that 750 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,760 Speaker 1: what this message actually sends is that the male domestic 751 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: violence survivors now have a chance of having their voices heard, 752 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: because you know, statistically speaking, I think that it's true 753 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 1: women do make up a larger portion of domestic violence 754 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: survivors from what I have heard and what I have seen. However, 755 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: men still make up a certain portion of that, and 756 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: men have a tendency to not be believed even more 757 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: than women because of all kinds of stigma around gender, masculinity, femininity, 758 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: all of those kinds of things. So I think that 759 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,879 Speaker 1: if anything, this sends more of a signal that men 760 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: have a fighting chance possibly maybe, And when it comes 761 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,240 Speaker 1: to Amber heard, she is not a representative of domestic 762 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: violence survivors. She is a representative of someone who is 763 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: trying to defraud the experience of real, legitimate domestic violence survivors, 764 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: and she should be placed in a category all on 765 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: her own. I think that's really interesting. So last thing, 766 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: I know that you have a charity stream that you're 767 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: doing for Children's hospital. Why don't shout that out before 768 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: you let you go? Yeah, So on June eleventh, on 769 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 1: my channel, I will be hosting along with Rick Hoague 770 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: of hog Law and other YouTube lawyer. So we will 771 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: be hosting on my channel a charity stream for the 772 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: Children's Hospital of Los Angeles. That is one of the 773 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,799 Speaker 1: two charities that Amberhard was supposed to donate her entire 774 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: seven million divorce settlement from Johnny Depp. Half of it 775 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: was supposed to go to the ACLU, half of it 776 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: to Children's Hospital of Los Angeles. So they were kind 777 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: of sounds like wrong, you could say, exactly. There were 778 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: side stepped in this whole thing. So one of the 779 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: things that we wanted to do is to sort of 780 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: give back for all of the all of the love 781 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: and appreciation that we've gotten from viewers and whatnot, is 782 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: to sort of give back for this charity stream. So 783 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 1: we'll be hosting it on June eleventh, and I'm really 784 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: looking forward to having a bunch of people show up. Great, awesome, Well, 785 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: it's great to talk to you. And by the way, 786 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: I watched some, not all, of your content, and it 787 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 1: seemed to me like you were really trying to evaluate 788 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: the issues in a fair minded kind of a way. 789 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 1: People should go and look at your channel legal bites 790 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: for themselves and judge, you know, what they think of 791 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: your content. We encourage people to do that. Thank you 792 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: so much, Alita for taking the time. It's great to 793 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,399 Speaker 1: meet you. Thank you, Alda, thank you, Thank you guys 794 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: so much for watching. We really appreciate it. Tomorrow's the 795 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: official one year anniversary, one year since we actually did 796 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 1: a show and all that. I had a lot of 797 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: one year stuff. We've got some announcements that are coming tomorrow. 798 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: Thank you all to everybody so much for the support. 799 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: It just absolutely means the world. Link is down there, 800 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: description and we will see you all tomorrow. Love y'all, 801 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 1: see you tomorrow. Let's move on here, baby formula. This 802 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: is a story obviously been keeping a lot of eyes 803 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: on praise President Biden for invoking the Defense Production Act. 804 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: But the timeline that's coming out of the administration right now, 805 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they didn't end up doing the right thing, 806 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,920 Speaker 1: is really shocking. I mean, it just is a complete 807 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: indictment of the Biden administration. President Biden admitted on camera 808 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: that he knew about the baby formula crisis back in 809 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: April and did not really do anything about it until 810 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: public pressure erupted in the month of May. Here he 811 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,839 Speaker 1: is talking a couple of days ago. Here's the deal. 812 00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: I became aware of this problem sometime and after April, 813 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: in early April, about how intention was, and so we 814 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: did everything in our power from that point on. And 815 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: that's all I can tell you right now, and we're 816 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: going to continue to do it. We get the job April, 817 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: early April. I mean, that's a long time. So why 818 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,240 Speaker 1: didn't you do anything about it? Did you order anything 819 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: to do anything about it? And here's we actually know 820 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: the answer. The answer is no, because the White House 821 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: has said, well, first the White House briand said, we've 822 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: known about this since February. Okay, well, why didn't you 823 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: do anything about it? Then Biden says, well, I found 824 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: out about it in April. Okay, well, why didn't you 825 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: do anything about it? And they say, well, we did 826 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: do something about it. We invoked the Defense Production Act. 827 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 1: Yeah in May, so a month later after you find 828 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: out about And yet, let's be honest, it only happened 829 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: because they passed the Ukraine build and people were like, hey, 830 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: we have forty four billion to send the Ukraine, but 831 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: we don't have baby formula to send to kids. And 832 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: then Congress enacted. People like us were talking about it. 833 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: It's not just all I mean, it was a huge 834 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: thing for the entire country. Was just horrified at the 835 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: idea of tiny little infants not being able to have 836 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: their food. But here's the thing, when you continue to 837 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: look at all of the administration officials, this is a 838 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,760 Speaker 1: massive failure of government. You have not only the president 839 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: is at the top, like he's not even supposed to 840 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,680 Speaker 1: necessarily know about this stuff. His staff is supposed to 841 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,920 Speaker 1: bring it to his attention, and more importantly, he's supposed 842 00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: to order his staff to do something. Well. Secretary of 843 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,240 Speaker 1: Commerce Gina Raymondo's on TV over the weekend. She admits 844 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: the same thing I've known about since April. But honestly, 845 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: the response are about to play for you is worse 846 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: because I didn't. She just says, I didn't just know 847 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: about until April. I'm not involved in anything regarding it. 848 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,799 Speaker 1: Right now, let's se a listen as President Biden this 849 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 1: week said he didn't learn about the severity of the 850 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,719 Speaker 1: infant formula shortage until April, but problems first emerged back 851 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: at the Abbot plant back in October twenty twenty one. 852 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,879 Speaker 1: An industry executive said they knew how bad this could 853 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 1: get when the plant closed in February. You're the Secretary 854 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,280 Speaker 1: of Commerce, when did you first learn of this problem? 855 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: I first learned about it, you know, a couple of 856 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: months ago. So this is April difficult issue. But yes, 857 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: probably April. I'm not involved in the administration's response here, 858 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,879 Speaker 1: I should say, but I think they're doing a very 859 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: good job. Well why are you not involved with that? 860 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 1: Because actually the Commerce Committee in Congress and the Commerce 861 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: Department has an immense amount of power over the baby formula. 862 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: This is just again perfect example you have here the 863 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: Secretary who says, yeah, I found out about it, but 864 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: you know whatever, I didn't really have anything to do 865 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: with it. Well, wait, why don't you have anything to 866 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: do with it because the Commerce Department has a lot 867 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: of regulatory authority over the actual baby formula. And then also, 868 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: why are you not involved in a whole of government 869 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: approach with the FDA and the CDC in order to 870 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,520 Speaker 1: get this plant spinning again. I mean, this really was 871 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: just a complete crisis of government because it just showed 872 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: us that things have to get so bad that little 873 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: kids are starving and parents are driving eight to nine 874 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: hours different stores trying to import European formula illegally until 875 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: the government makes it okay. Also, again, why are you 876 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: not involved in the administration's response. You know, people don't 877 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 1: realize this. The Commerce Department has immense power over international trade, tariffs, 878 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,360 Speaker 1: all that stuff that's under congressional jurisdiction of the Commerce Department. 879 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: So she's telling us she has no authority over importing 880 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,720 Speaker 1: European baby formula. That's bs. I mean, maybe the military 881 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 1: is moving it, but you should be heavily involved. Also 882 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: in the future, you know, now that American parents are 883 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 1: getting European baby formula, let's make it permanent. Yeah, you know, 884 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: let the American Look, this is the first time we'll 885 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: be like, let Americans compete because from what I can tell, 886 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: European baby formula is way better than ours. Well, and 887 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: also just to give you a little peek behind the 888 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: curtain here in Washington, DC, this is a person who, 889 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, the powers that be in this town are 890 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,319 Speaker 1: very hot on, very high on her. They love her, 891 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: They think of her for higher office in the future, 892 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 1: sometimes being floated for like president. It's crazy to me, 893 00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 1: so the fact that you know she's completely absent from 894 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: duty here that you know, and not doing a good 895 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 1: job at her actual job, that has no bearing on 896 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: whether or not she'll be elevated to the next highest level. 897 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,040 Speaker 1: She's already in a position of great power here. This 898 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: also really gets to a core failing of the Biden 899 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: administration that I'm not particularly surprised by, but I think 900 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,239 Speaker 1: a lot of people are. One of the promises of 901 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,560 Speaker 1: his campaign was the grown ups will be back in charge, 902 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,800 Speaker 1: that it won't be the chaos of the Trump years. 903 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 1: Will have people who know what they're doing back in power, 904 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,239 Speaker 1: run efficient administration, and so listen, you may not want 905 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: everything that we're going to do, you may not be 906 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 1: on board, you may want more, you may want less, 907 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 1: but at least it's going to be competently managed. That 908 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: has turned out to be completely false. And by the way, 909 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: you know some of the reporting that now that the 910 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,800 Speaker 1: wheels have come off this administration so clearly, and his 911 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: approval rating is down, you know, at Trump or below 912 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: Trump in certain instances. Young people are just guessed with 913 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: this administration. They're starting to be all these leaks and 914 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 1: all these insider reports about like what's going wrong and 915 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,399 Speaker 1: what Biden thinks about it. And one of the things 916 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,239 Speaker 1: that he complained about was that he hadn't been notified 917 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: by his staff about the baby formula crisis sooner when 918 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: it came to their attention in February, or you know, 919 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: could have even been before that, because you did, as 920 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,600 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper points out there, you did have this whistleblower 921 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: early on talking about the lack of safety standards and 922 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,080 Speaker 1: potential problems at this Abbott Laboratory's plant. So you have 923 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: an initial failure, which still has to be on the president. 924 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,720 Speaker 1: He's the one that assembled this group of staffers around himself. 925 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: But so you have this initial failure of staff to 926 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: notify the president at all or do anything about it. 927 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 1: And then even once he is notified in early April, 928 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,640 Speaker 1: it takes this massive public outcry and you know, the news, 929 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: the media finally writing stories about these babies who are 930 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,080 Speaker 1: in dire trouble and in some terrible instances even having 931 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 1: to be admitted to the hospital to get the nutrition 932 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: that they need, and moms who are deaf and at 933 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: their wits end doing everything they can, spending all day 934 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: going from you know, store to store to try to 935 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: find the formula that's going to work for their babies. 936 00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,239 Speaker 1: It took all of that before they finally said, you know, 937 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: we could actually do something about this. And it's a 938 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 1: bigger problem for the administration because the critique of them 939 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,319 Speaker 1: that they are just purely sort of reactive, that they 940 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: are always behind the times, that they are catching up 941 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,959 Speaker 1: a few months later to things that have been hurting 942 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,080 Speaker 1: the American people for months. I just think that that's 943 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: completely indisputable. Yes, And I think it goes very much 944 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,879 Speaker 1: against the core hope that a lot of people had 945 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: for this administry. Oh absolutely, Chrystal. I mean, look, this 946 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,160 Speaker 1: was their basic promise is we will get those vaccines out, 947 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, easily. That's why I thought they I just 948 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 1: did not anticipate how incompetent these idiots are. Yeah, it's mystifying. 949 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,839 Speaker 1: I mean, even on gas right now. I mean, look, 950 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 1: I've been watching it. We are very very close to 951 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,520 Speaker 1: five dollars national average. The gas price went up five 952 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: percent in just the last week. It only needs to 953 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,360 Speaker 1: go up by two and we're at five nationally. Nobody, 954 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: apparently in the White House seems to be talking about that. Yeah, 955 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,280 Speaker 1: oh cool. You know you're allowing Venezuela to export to Europe, 956 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: big deal. You know that is not going to replace 957 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,240 Speaker 1: the lost gas stock, especially given the current demand. Nothing's 958 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: happening and there's real consequences. Let's put this up there 959 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,480 Speaker 1: on the screen. You know, Abbot a couple of days ago, 960 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,799 Speaker 1: Abbot Nutrition just restarted the baby formula production. But you 961 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 1: know everybody knows this. From production to actually going to 962 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,440 Speaker 1: the shelf, it takes a long time. And it's not 963 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,839 Speaker 1: a joke. I have been reading some horrific stories. There's 964 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,799 Speaker 1: one in the New York Times that just came out 965 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,920 Speaker 1: yesterday about how many newborns who spend time in the 966 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,799 Speaker 1: nickeu they need specialized formula. Because this is the thing 967 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,160 Speaker 1: in particular, it's not just replacement level. It might be 968 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,440 Speaker 1: for some you know, for some babies, some of these 969 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 1: people who have allergies and whose babies are in the 970 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 1: Can you imagine having like a six month old premium 971 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: or a pre premium baby in the NICU and they're like, 972 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: you need this baby formula to keep your baby alive, 973 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,000 Speaker 1: and you can't get it any panic people freak it 974 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,399 Speaker 1: out horrible. They're driving hundreds of miles to go get 975 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,839 Speaker 1: this stuff. Well, the thing I worry about too is, 976 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, we're in a new era now, and I 977 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:16,200 Speaker 1: wonder if the baby formula crisis is just the beginning 978 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,919 Speaker 1: of many I mean, it's not even the beginning. We've 979 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,239 Speaker 1: already had crises, they just haven't been in the like 980 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: soul source of nutrition for the most vulnerable population in 981 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 1: the entire country. But I really think that we are 982 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,360 Speaker 1: in a kind of new normal here with the global 983 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 1: realignments that are happening, with the way that the climate 984 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:39,239 Speaker 1: crisis is making foodstocks and farming much more precarious, the 985 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: sort of follow on effects that we have from that, 986 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,719 Speaker 1: the follow on effects that we have from this war 987 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,839 Speaker 1: which is not ending anytime soon. And so when you 988 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,760 Speaker 1: see the government so behind the curve and so unable 989 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: to respond in anything approaching a timely or urgent fashion 990 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,200 Speaker 1: and still trying to sort of pass the buck in 991 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,720 Speaker 1: terms of, you know, their own blame in not getting 992 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,200 Speaker 1: on top of this. I think this is going to 993 00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: be a cycle that we see replay itself over and 994 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,920 Speaker 1: over again, not with this, not just with this administration, 995 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,239 Speaker 1: but whatever whatever comes next as well. Let's see how 996 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,360 Speaker 1: they can blame Putin for it. Yeah, exactly, formula the 997 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: price hike is responsible. Putin Ukraine price hike on baby formula. 998 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,040 Speaker 1: Well that to people who are parents of Premius. Speaking 999 00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,319 Speaker 1: of screwing over workers and regular people, Starbucks, we'll up 1000 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 1: day for you. Of course, the Starbucks union Workers United, 1001 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 1: they have been romping in union elections across the country. 1002 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,680 Speaker 1: I mean well over one hundred stores have unionized now. 1003 00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 1: It is extraordinary. And Starbucks, we've been reporting, has been 1004 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 1: completely freaking out about this. They brought Howard Schultz back in, 1005 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 1: they fired a number of people, including some of the 1006 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,719 Speaker 1: people leading their union busting response. It's clearly not gone 1007 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: well for them. What did Howard Schultz say? It was 1008 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,920 Speaker 1: like an invasion or assault, that was the word you use, 1009 00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 1: this union assault on Starbucks. Well, they now have escalated 1010 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 1: to a new tactic, effectively declaring all out war on 1011 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,160 Speaker 1: the union. Put this up on the screen by closing 1012 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,480 Speaker 1: one of the cafes that unionized. This according to a 1013 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg report, the union says that this is obvious retaliation 1014 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,960 Speaker 1: that they and they didn't just say this, they actually 1015 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 1: filed that allegation with the National Labor Relations Board. This 1016 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: is a store that unionized in April. It's located in Ifaka, 1017 00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 1: New York. They're asking the NLRB to seek a federal 1018 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: court injunction to quickly prevent or reverse the store closure. 1019 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: So we've had over around one hundred Starbucks cafes have 1020 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,839 Speaker 1: voted to union. It's actually more than that. Now only 1021 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 1: fourteen have voted against unionizing. So Starbucks desperate to do 1022 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,840 Speaker 1: something here to stop this trend in this landslide in 1023 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,200 Speaker 1: favor of unionization within their stores. And part of why 1024 00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,880 Speaker 1: we know this is retaliation and not just you know, 1025 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,839 Speaker 1: normal like obviously sometimes Starbucks stores close, is because put 1026 00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: this up on the screen from a more perfect union. 1027 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,440 Speaker 1: They obtained the email that was sent to unionize Starbucks 1028 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,160 Speaker 1: workers in Ithaca that announced the closure of their store, 1029 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,279 Speaker 1: and guess who it was? Sent from It was not 1030 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,120 Speaker 1: actually sent from Starbucks. It was sent from their union 1031 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:19,080 Speaker 1: busting lawyer who handles union negotiations. So they're bringing it 1032 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 1: there like using the union busters to close the store. 1033 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,040 Speaker 1: That tells you everything you need to know about what 1034 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,560 Speaker 1: this is actually all about. And we've seen this be 1035 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,480 Speaker 1: successful in the past Saga where at other companies I 1036 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 1: think is Dollar General who did this as a story, 1037 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,799 Speaker 1: you know, they want to put the fear of God 1038 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 1: into these workers that hey, if you vote to unionize, 1039 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 1: your store could be next you could be on on 1040 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: the street and without a job like that, because we 1041 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,800 Speaker 1: still hold all the cards and have all the power. 1042 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,400 Speaker 1: I think the fact, well, the fact that it was 1043 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,880 Speaker 1: Ithaca and that it was at one of the original 1044 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: places with unionization, I think is a major show of 1045 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,400 Speaker 1: force against the workers by the company. And my great fear, 1046 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: as I was talking about earlier, is yes, the labor 1047 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,280 Speaker 1: market market is hot. Yes, it was a great time 1048 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,319 Speaker 1: really in order to go and to try and form 1049 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,120 Speaker 1: a union. But the more into recession that you go, 1050 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: the more excuse that they have to just crack down 1051 00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: as much as possible. All they have. All you need 1052 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,160 Speaker 1: is a single down quarter and down in the stock 1053 00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 1: for the company to just go full fledged and I'm 1054 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,319 Speaker 1: not saying they haven't necessarily even already done that, but 1055 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 1: that just makes it so that people it will get 1056 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,919 Speaker 1: lost in the noise, I think, and that is well, 1057 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,360 Speaker 1: that is a fear. Workers will be more vulnerable to 1058 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: these types of threats because way more right now you 1059 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 1: have issues with inflation and wages not keeping up, so 1060 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: people are getting a pay cut every month, so there 1061 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,320 Speaker 1: aren't enough good jobs, but there are a lot of jobs, 1062 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,160 Speaker 1: so when you you know, are threatening. They also they 1063 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,719 Speaker 1: fired workers. Actually Leyla who we had on this show, 1064 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,960 Speaker 1: she faces She's got her court hearing this week to 1065 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: see if she gets reinstated to her job because she 1066 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,160 Speaker 1: alleges and the union alleges that she was illegally fired. 1067 00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,120 Speaker 1: There are a number of other there's a Memphis seven 1068 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,759 Speaker 1: that also they allew were illegally fired. They have their 1069 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,440 Speaker 1: court hearings I think coming up this week as maybe 1070 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: even today actually for those hearings as well. But they've 1071 00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,840 Speaker 1: already they've fired workers to try to take an example 1072 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,400 Speaker 1: of them and scare people and freak them out. Remember 1073 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 1: he tried this ploy too, which I assume they're still 1074 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,440 Speaker 1: going through with we're going to give all the other 1075 00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:24,279 Speaker 1: workers benefits increase, and we've got new goodies for them. 1076 00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,000 Speaker 1: But if you're a union, sorry, you're left down of that. 1077 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,959 Speaker 1: Also probably illegal, but yet another union busting tactic, because 1078 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,800 Speaker 1: what they try to say is, oh, if you unionize, 1079 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,319 Speaker 1: you may lose some of the good things that you 1080 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: already have. That is almost never the case, but they're 1081 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,640 Speaker 1: trying to make that reality, even though they're probably doing 1082 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,560 Speaker 1: that illegally. And so this is the next step in 1083 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,439 Speaker 1: the escalatory chain. None of those things has worked, none 1084 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,440 Speaker 1: of them have slowed the momentum whatsoever. I saw yesterday, 1085 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 1: I think four five six something like that new Starbucks 1086 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,759 Speaker 1: union's form just yesterday, voted to unionize, just yesterday. So 1087 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,440 Speaker 1: this is the next step. All right, you didn't take it, 1088 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: you didn't do any you know, it didn't stop when 1089 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 1: we fired workers, didn't stop when we said union workers, 1090 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: you're not getting these benefits that other Starbucks workers are. 1091 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,720 Speaker 1: What if we actually just close the store, just shudder 1092 00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,600 Speaker 1: the whole thing, just to send a message and send 1093 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,719 Speaker 1: a shock wave through the movement. So I still don't 1094 00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 1: think it will work because of where the labor market 1095 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 1: is right now, But you're one hundred percent correct. As 1096 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,600 Speaker 1: the economy turns, these sort of threats, this sort of bullying, 1097 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,640 Speaker 1: these sort of illegal union busting tactics, they grow more 1098 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,799 Speaker 1: and more potent the more desperate the workforce ultimately is. 1099 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Starbucks really wants to make the case that 1100 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,799 Speaker 1: closing a Starbucks on Cornell University campus makes business sense, 1101 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,960 Speaker 1: right right. I've seen Starbucks and strip malls which in 1102 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,760 Speaker 1: everybody nobody goes to, and that place is somehow still 1103 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,480 Speaker 1: in business, but not on a university. That seems like 1104 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:53,320 Speaker 1: the best possible place starfetch Yeah, Starbucks whatever. Good morning, everybody, 1105 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,879 Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today 1106 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 1: when we have Crystal. Indeed, we do lots of big 1107 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:03,040 Speaker 1: things happening today, the big start of the January sixth hearings. 1108 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,160 Speaker 1: Democrats and their allies on the Republican side of the 1109 00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,840 Speaker 1: aisle have created a big multi media presentation, so we 1110 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,480 Speaker 1: will preview all of that, what it means, how it's 1111 00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,359 Speaker 1: all going to unfold, so you know what to watch 1112 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,280 Speaker 1: for this evening. We also have some updates in that shooting, 1113 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,200 Speaker 1: mass shooting down in Yuvalde. We will tell you about that, 1114 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,000 Speaker 1: and also Matthew McConaughey's big trip to Capitol Hill gave 1115 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,920 Speaker 1: really what was an incredibly moving speech, So we have 1116 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,319 Speaker 1: a bit of that for you as well. Also a 1117 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,359 Speaker 1: threat on the life of Justice spread Kavanaugh. A man 1118 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,719 Speaker 1: was apprehended who had guns and directly said I want 1119 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,920 Speaker 1: to murder a Supreme Court justice. Stuff. Yes, so all 1120 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,880 Speaker 1: of those very very troubling comes on the heels of 1121 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,640 Speaker 1: actually a Wisconsin judge who was just shot and murdered 1122 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,120 Speaker 1: in his theme too, So very very troubling developments. Needless 1123 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 1: to say, we also have a perfect swamp story for 1124 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,360 Speaker 1: you that sort of tells you everything about how influence 1125 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,200 Speaker 1: really works in this town. The head of Brookings Institution, 1126 00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,040 Speaker 1: this General John Allen, who was very influential Nobama administration, 1127 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,000 Speaker 1: a very important in terms of the Afghanistan strategy there. 1128 00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,520 Speaker 1: He is now under investigation by the FBI for his 1129 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:18,320 Speaker 1: dealings with Katar. There is a lot to this story, 1130 00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,680 Speaker 1: including this straw donor who's already been indicted and found 1131 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:27,640 Speaker 1: guilty for funneling contributions. This is completely bipartisan story and 1132 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,520 Speaker 1: a big, big deal here in town. But also again 1133 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,960 Speaker 1: just very revealing of how this town actually works. We 1134 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,080 Speaker 1: also have to give you the very latest in the 1135 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:41,360 Speaker 1: complete meltdown happening over at the Washington Post. It is 1136 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,880 Speaker 1: literally insane. I can't look away, Crystal, nor should you. Honestly, Yeah, 1137 00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,600 Speaker 1: the drama that I went into has only gotten ten 1138 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,160 Speaker 1: times worse and has become even more hypocritical, and it 1139 00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,400 Speaker 1: tells us a lot about how modern media works today. 1140 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,800 Speaker 1: I think people are going to enjoy us. I think 1141 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,120 Speaker 1: it says a lot, not just about modern media, about 1142 00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,720 Speaker 1: the modern left, about how these things are so destructive, 1143 00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,720 Speaker 1: just how people are assholes to each other for no 1144 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,520 Speaker 1: really good reason. There's a lot to say about this one. 1145 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,720 Speaker 1: We also have Ross Barkin on to talk about the 1146 00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:12,040 Speaker 1: primary results, some disturbing results for people who are in 1147 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,400 Speaker 1: the camp of being progressive criminal justice reformers. In particular, 1148 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,520 Speaker 1: Chase A. Boudin, who was the prosecutor in San Francisco, 1149 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,520 Speaker 1: was recalled by an overwhelming March six. Ross has been 1150 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,560 Speaker 1: following the race closely, the statistics in terms of San 1151 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,760 Speaker 1: Francisco crime, what Chase it was doing, So we want 1152 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,720 Speaker 1: to get into all of that with him and what 1153 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,840 Speaker 1: it says sort of from a broader perspective. But we 1154 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,600 Speaker 1: do want to start with those big January six hearings 1155 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,480 Speaker 1: tonight eight pm. Before I get to the first element, 1156 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,080 Speaker 1: I was just reading this morning Political Playbook has a 1157 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,160 Speaker 1: little bit of in depth detail about what exactly you 1158 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,320 Speaker 1: can expect in this first hearing. This is, of course, 1159 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,120 Speaker 1: the culmination of I think it was a ten month investigation. 1160 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 1: The co chairs here are Benny Thompson, Democrat from Mississippi, 1161 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,400 Speaker 1: and Vice chair Liz Cheney are from Wyoming. What they 1162 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,240 Speaker 1: say in Political Playbook this morning is drawing on months 1163 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,480 Speaker 1: of interviews with thousands of documents. Committee is thus far 1164 00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,200 Speaker 1: kept most of its findings close to the vest, so 1165 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,520 Speaker 1: we expect a lot of new information and some of 1166 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,080 Speaker 1: the most terrifying video from that day that hasn't been 1167 00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,919 Speaker 1: shown to the public yet. They really want to sort 1168 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:16,640 Speaker 1: of make the case that this was not just a 1169 00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:21,240 Speaker 1: sort of sporadic convulsion of violence, that this was premeditated, 1170 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,880 Speaker 1: that it was coordinated, and Donald Trump was really at 1171 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,720 Speaker 1: the center of it. They also say Committee aids are 1172 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,600 Speaker 1: staying cooi on the actual structure of the hearings, but 1173 00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,280 Speaker 1: told reporters there would be a multi media component, much 1174 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,480 Speaker 1: like the impeachment hearings in January. So we're going to 1175 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,120 Speaker 1: get into some of the politics of this in just 1176 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,040 Speaker 1: a moment. But you know, Zagara, I feel like Democrats 1177 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,520 Speaker 1: have this repeated instinct where when the things that they're 1178 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,160 Speaker 1: very upset about, and I think there are good reasons 1179 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,320 Speaker 1: to be upset as a nation about what happened on 1180 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,600 Speaker 1: January sixth, but when they don't land the way they 1181 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,640 Speaker 1: want them to with the public, when, for example, the 1182 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,040 Speaker 1: public has other concerns as right now, concerned about the economy, 1183 01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,760 Speaker 1: very concerned about inflation, concerned about gun violence, concerned about 1184 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 1: a whole range of things. They are also concerned, I'm sure, 1185 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure about the future of our democracy and what 1186 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:12,120 Speaker 1: happened on January six but it's nowhere close to the 1187 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,560 Speaker 1: top issue. So Democrats have this instinct of saying, well, 1188 01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,320 Speaker 1: we just haven't presented it in the right way, So 1189 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,160 Speaker 1: go ahead and put this element up on the screen. 1190 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,439 Speaker 1: This is from Vanity Fair. They actually brought in this 1191 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:28,640 Speaker 1: veteran network executive named James Goldston, former president of ABC News, 1192 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,760 Speaker 1: to pull together this multimedia presentation. You can see the 1193 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,400 Speaker 1: headline here from Vanity Fair is quote, people must pay attention. 1194 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,600 Speaker 1: People must watch. The January sixth Committee is trying to 1195 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,560 Speaker 1: make the most of its primetime TV slot. You know, 1196 01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,200 Speaker 1: they push networks to cover this live. I think almost 1197 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,360 Speaker 1: all of them are doing that, save for Fox News 1198 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,360 Speaker 1: for obvious reasons. We are expecting I guess a Trump 1199 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,000 Speaker 1: aid confirmed that the former President Trump will give some 1200 01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,600 Speaker 1: kind of account response here as well. Unclear whether the 1201 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,560 Speaker 1: statement of video something Andrew Social who knows. They also 1202 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 1: have been working to sort of, you know, preview this 1203 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,240 Speaker 1: thing and kind of hype it up to get people 1204 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,320 Speaker 1: to really expect that this is going to be very 1205 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,080 Speaker 1: revelatory and contain new information. We have Jamie Raskin, who 1206 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,480 Speaker 1: is on the committee, kind of teasing this this week, 1207 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,160 Speaker 1: saying go ahead and put this quote up from him. Yes, 1208 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,800 Speaker 1: the Committee has found evidence of concerted planning and premeditated activity. 1209 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,560 Speaker 1: The idea that all of this was just a Rowty 1210 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,640 Speaker 1: demonstration that spontaneously got a little bit out of control 1211 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,840 Speaker 1: is absurd. You don't almost knock over the US government 1212 01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,160 Speaker 1: by accident. So we're going to lay on all the 1213 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,720 Speaker 1: evidence we've found. House Resolution five OO through charges us 1214 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,320 Speaker 1: with defining what happened on January sixth, explaining the causes 1215 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,800 Speaker 1: of what happened, and then ultimately laying out recommendations that 1216 01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,000 Speaker 1: would allow us to fortify ourselves against coups and insurrections 1217 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:50,920 Speaker 1: moving forward. So again, I think that there's an attempt 1218 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,080 Speaker 1: here to let's package in a different way. Let's bring 1219 01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:58,240 Speaker 1: in this TV executive. Maybe this time it will land 1220 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,000 Speaker 1: in different way with the American people where it won't 1221 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:02,600 Speaker 1: be just one of a list of issues, but it 1222 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,440 Speaker 1: will be the primary issue. There isn't a lot of 1223 01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,000 Speaker 1: indication that they have some new bombshell revelations. I think 1224 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:13,480 Speaker 1: everybody who lived through that day knows the general contours 1225 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,640 Speaker 1: of what happened and has already sort of taken that 1226 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,800 Speaker 1: in and process that in whatever way they are going 1227 01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,320 Speaker 1: to process it. But you know, I think the other 1228 01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,560 Speaker 1: way you have to see this is through the lens 1229 01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,600 Speaker 1: of media apparatus that also has never had better had 1230 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,040 Speaker 1: ratings right that were positive again since January sixth, So 1231 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:31,880 Speaker 1: they also want to kind of recapture the magic of 1232 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,640 Speaker 1: that day. Absolutely. I mean, I think there's a lot 1233 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,800 Speaker 1: to say about this now. First and foremost is it's 1234 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:40,160 Speaker 1: been ten months since this committee was even founded. It's 1235 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,560 Speaker 1: been more than a year since January sixth. I think 1236 01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,000 Speaker 1: we have a lot of bigger problems been January sixth, 1237 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,440 Speaker 1: But this reminds me exactly of impeachment one point zero 1238 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 1: and two point zero. I remember specifically Nancy Pelosi talking 1239 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,680 Speaker 1: in I believe it was impeachment two point zero whenever 1240 01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,360 Speaker 1: it was about Ukraine. They said, well, you know, the 1241 01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,200 Speaker 1: people of America don't understand how bad this was, so 1242 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,160 Speaker 1: when we put him on trial, then they'll understand. And 1243 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,080 Speaker 1: guess what there has never been and I really mean this, 1244 01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,400 Speaker 1: go back and look at Gallop party identification higher identification 1245 01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:12,040 Speaker 1: with the Republican Party in the United States than the 1246 01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:16,560 Speaker 1: exact time period January of twenty twenty, whenever impeachment was 1247 01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,880 Speaker 1: going down. So what do you sorry that was impeachment 1248 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,360 Speaker 1: one point zero about Ukraine? So what does that tell us, 1249 01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,960 Speaker 1: which is that we've seen this movie before. How many 1250 01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:26,280 Speaker 1: times did I hear it about Russia Gate and Komy? 1251 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,680 Speaker 1: They said, well, when you guys hear James Comy testify 1252 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,040 Speaker 1: before the Committee act or or when you hear Robert 1253 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,280 Speaker 1: Muller tesla, you're going to see people need to understand 1254 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,880 Speaker 1: what the Muller report really. We all know what it said, 1255 01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,439 Speaker 1: everybody does. They have much bigger problems. It's like, how 1256 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,440 Speaker 1: many times are they going to continue to try and 1257 01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,400 Speaker 1: do this? I find the primetimization of this, honestly just 1258 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,760 Speaker 1: so facetious because what really got to me is that 1259 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,200 Speaker 1: here's the other thing too. If you are one of 1260 01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,280 Speaker 1: these Russia Gate, you know, democrats January six people who 1261 01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,800 Speaker 1: wants to see Trump out of office or impeach sure whatever, 1262 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:05,160 Speaker 1: criminally charged, you're being misled because they specifically have asked them, 1263 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,680 Speaker 1: Jamie Raskin and others on the committee multiple times, are 1264 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:09,760 Speaker 1: you going to find Trump criminally liable? They said, that's 1265 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,880 Speaker 1: not what we were charged with doing. It's like, no, no, no, 1266 01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,320 Speaker 1: but that's the spirit of what you guys have been 1267 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,360 Speaker 1: trying to do. They tried to impeach him and it 1268 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,520 Speaker 1: didn't work. It's like, what is the point of this 1269 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:21,320 Speaker 1: entire thing? Well, and here's the thing I think too, 1270 01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:26,200 Speaker 1: Right in the wake of January sixth, when the images 1271 01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 1: and the emotion and everything that people felt of that 1272 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:35,200 Speaker 1: day was really raw, that was the time for and 1273 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,840 Speaker 1: it's not Democrats, I think did everything that they could 1274 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,600 Speaker 1: more or less do. I mean, they moved forward with impeachment. 1275 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,160 Speaker 1: You know, people saw that day, they were horrified by 1276 01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,280 Speaker 1: all of it, like this was this was not a 1277 01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,480 Speaker 1: good day in American history. So Democrats move forward with impeachment. 1278 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,960 Speaker 1: If you're Republicans who wanted to sort of excise this 1279 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,560 Speaker 1: wing of the party who wanted to move in a 1280 01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:00,760 Speaker 1: different direction than Donald Trump, that was your time. Yeah, 1281 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,840 Speaker 1: And you know, there was maybe an opening, and we 1282 01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,480 Speaker 1: remember covering at the time Mitch McConnell kind of flirting 1283 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,800 Speaker 1: with it, putting out trial balloons of maybe we're going 1284 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,440 Speaker 1: to maybe we're going to actually, you know, move in 1285 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,400 Speaker 1: the direction of joining the Democrats for this impeachment barring 1286 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:17,280 Speaker 1: Trump from running for office again. Maybe we're going to 1287 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,520 Speaker 1: actually sanction the members who were complicit in, you know, 1288 01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,240 Speaker 1: trying to overturn the election results. Whether that was a 1289 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,280 Speaker 1: far fetched outcome or not, which I think is pretty debatable, 1290 01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:31,280 Speaker 1: But ultimately they took the temperature. And McConnell is a 1291 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,160 Speaker 1: creature of power and nothing else. This is not about 1292 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,800 Speaker 1: morals or principles or anything else with him. Took the 1293 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,800 Speaker 1: temperature of the base of the party and decided it 1294 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:44,360 Speaker 1: was too hard to act in that moment. And so 1295 01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:48,000 Speaker 1: now you know that they didn't pursue that path, whether 1296 01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,640 Speaker 1: it would have been successful or not. On the Republican side, 1297 01:05:50,680 --> 01:05:52,640 Speaker 1: they decided to just kind of there were a few 1298 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,919 Speaker 1: that voted with the Democrats, but otherwise they just sort 1299 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,880 Speaker 1: of decided, let's keep our heads down and keep going 1300 01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,760 Speaker 1: in this direction and keep playing this game that we're 1301 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,600 Speaker 1: ultimately playing. And so now the only recourse that is 1302 01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:06,520 Speaker 1: left is an electoral recourse. I mean, the only recourse 1303 01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,320 Speaker 1: that is left is, you know, really prove that you have, 1304 01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,040 Speaker 1: if you're on the Democratic side, that you have a 1305 01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,440 Speaker 1: better vision for the country that you're going to deliver, 1306 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:19,760 Speaker 1: you know, deliver calm, deliver material for people, materially for people, 1307 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,640 Speaker 1: and push the country in a better direction. I mean, 1308 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,520 Speaker 1: at this point, I think that's really the only answer 1309 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,080 Speaker 1: to January sixth is offering the American people a vision 1310 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,680 Speaker 1: that they can buy into that gets people moving in, 1311 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, the same direction again that doesn't just seek 1312 01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,480 Speaker 1: to tear and divide people apart. And I'm not saying that, 1313 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,160 Speaker 1: you know, January sixth necessarily is about dividing people apart, 1314 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,880 Speaker 1: because I think the overwhelming number of Americans were really 1315 01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,760 Speaker 1: horrified about what happened on that day. But you know, 1316 01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,360 Speaker 1: if Democrats think that this time, with this multimedia presentation, 1317 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,280 Speaker 1: with this new piece of information, or this new interview 1318 01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,480 Speaker 1: with Savanka or whoever it is that we're going to 1319 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,840 Speaker 1: release tonight, that this is going to change the way 1320 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,200 Speaker 1: that Americans are thinking about the midterms. You're thinking about 1321 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,520 Speaker 1: the Republican Party, you're thinking about us. You know, I 1322 01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,400 Speaker 1: just I think that that's probably pretty fanciful. Yeah. Look, 1323 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,680 Speaker 1: gas is five dollars a gallon focus or sorry, it's 1324 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:15,560 Speaker 1: four dollars and ninety seven cents. It'll hit either sometime 1325 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,920 Speaker 1: today or sometime tomorrow. That's the problem. Food is too expensive. 1326 01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,600 Speaker 1: Solve that. Hold a hearing on it. I honestly, why 1327 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:25,120 Speaker 1: can't we have primetime hearings with the CEOs of the 1328 01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:28,760 Speaker 1: oil companies and primetime hearings with the CEOs of the 1329 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,280 Speaker 1: meat packing industry That actually might get people going. People 1330 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,560 Speaker 1: might tune into that and be like, oh, you know, 1331 01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm kind of interested and what exactly is happening here? 1332 01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,080 Speaker 1: But this is what look at politics and Washington especially 1333 01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,240 Speaker 1: is all about what you choose to focus your time on. 1334 01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:44,600 Speaker 1: And this is what they have decided to try and 1335 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,320 Speaker 1: make a key part of their case, and I don't 1336 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,280 Speaker 1: think it's going to work. I think the holding it 1337 01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,920 Speaker 1: in primetime obviously look fine. I mean also, here's the 1338 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,160 Speaker 1: other thing on the video side of this. What have 1339 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,160 Speaker 1: we not seen at that point from the day. I mean, 1340 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:00,440 Speaker 1: the New York Times did a whole mashup this, like 1341 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,600 Speaker 1: right afterwards, people have done well, you can't watch it 1342 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,600 Speaker 1: on YouTube anymore, and maybe we can talk about that 1343 01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,000 Speaker 1: a little bit later. I think is nuts. But look, 1344 01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,760 Speaker 1: they all are. Raw footage is out there. There's also 1345 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:12,880 Speaker 1: raw footage you know, that people have been looking into 1346 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,640 Speaker 1: to try and piece together, like what exactly happened with 1347 01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,240 Speaker 1: some of the police informants, and nobody talks about that. 1348 01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,680 Speaker 1: One My point is is that there isn't hundreds of 1349 01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,680 Speaker 1: hours of raw footage at this point. If you want 1350 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:24,960 Speaker 1: to go watch it, you can. I'm sure there's supercuts 1351 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,080 Speaker 1: of it all over the internet. They're probably ten times 1352 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,840 Speaker 1: better than whatever some idiot team. We all lived it, yeah, exactly, 1353 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:31,600 Speaker 1: you'll watch it live on Tell. We all lived it 1354 01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:34,439 Speaker 1: in real time, and I have no doubt they have something, 1355 01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,800 Speaker 1: you know. I think one of the things that they're 1356 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,720 Speaker 1: gonna show is we'll get to the Proud Boys in 1357 01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,960 Speaker 1: a moment, but there was a documentarian who's actually following 1358 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:45,960 Speaker 1: them on that day, So I think there's some footage 1359 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,360 Speaker 1: from that that hasn't been released. So I'm sure there 1360 01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,680 Speaker 1: is some new stuff that people have not seen. But 1361 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,679 Speaker 1: I also think that people really understood it very clearly 1362 01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,599 Speaker 1: on the day what ultimately happened. And we have learned 1363 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,599 Speaker 1: some new details about how there were, you know, people 1364 01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,599 Speaker 1: in Trump's orbits who had deluded themselves into making these 1365 01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:09,160 Speaker 1: plans and these you know, separate slates of electors. And again, 1366 01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,439 Speaker 1: I think it's an open question of how close any 1367 01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,679 Speaker 1: of this came to ultimately succeeding. But and I've read 1368 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,840 Speaker 1: through the affidavits at this point and the indictments at 1369 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,160 Speaker 1: this point of both of the Proud Boys and the 1370 01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,320 Speaker 1: Oath Keepers, who have now both been charged with seditious conspiracy. 1371 01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,599 Speaker 1: And we'll talk about that in just a moment. And 1372 01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,879 Speaker 1: you know, it's clear they they deluded themselves into thinking 1373 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,360 Speaker 1: that if they sort of showed up at the Capitol, 1374 01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,880 Speaker 1: that the American people would be behind them in this 1375 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,000 Speaker 1: effort to overturn the election results, and that would be 1376 01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,400 Speaker 1: the spark of this revolution, this is like the you know, deluded, 1377 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:49,479 Speaker 1: fanciful like LARPing that these dudes were doing. And I 1378 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,879 Speaker 1: don't want to downplay that there's like a dangerous situation, 1379 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,719 Speaker 1: but ultimately in their mind they'd completely delude there's themselves. 1380 01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,760 Speaker 1: The American people clearly were not behind them. I mean, 1381 01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,920 Speaker 1: that's that's the bottom line of why this all became 1382 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,120 Speaker 1: a complete failure if your goal is to overturn the 1383 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,639 Speaker 1: election results is because people, even Republicans at the time. 1384 01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,799 Speaker 1: Now Republicans have come up with all sort of posts 1385 01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,960 Speaker 1: after the fact rationalizations. They were horrified, but by what happened, 1386 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,200 Speaker 1: they did not have your pack. Ultimately, even Trump, after 1387 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,360 Speaker 1: much persuasion and you know, a million people calling him 1388 01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,040 Speaker 1: saying you have to tell these people leave, ultimately told 1389 01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:23,400 Speaker 1: them like to go home and to be peaceful. So 1390 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,000 Speaker 1: the American people did not have their back. They understood 1391 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,360 Speaker 1: on that day what it meant, what happened. They have 1392 01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:34,720 Speaker 1: sort of made their political judgments around that. And I 1393 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,879 Speaker 1: think that at this point, the parties that can focus 1394 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,040 Speaker 1: most on delivering a better country and delivering for people 1395 01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,519 Speaker 1: and making their lives better tends to be the party 1396 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,479 Speaker 1: that's doing this. I mean, this is The big Achilles 1397 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,120 Speaker 1: heel for Trump as well, is he's so obsessed with 1398 01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,519 Speaker 1: the stop the steal nonsense. That's the one thing that 1399 01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,000 Speaker 1: could keep him and his wing of the party from 1400 01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,680 Speaker 1: coming back to power. And people like Doug Mastriano is 1401 01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,640 Speaker 1: now the Republican incubidatorial nominee in Pennsylvania who's obsessed with 1402 01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,519 Speaker 1: this stuff like that's a very winnable race, and his 1403 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,639 Speaker 1: obsession makes it much less likely that people that people 1404 01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,160 Speaker 1: are going to ultimately vote for him and put him 1405 01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:14,799 Speaker 1: in that office because they are very concerned about their 1406 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,440 Speaker 1: day to day life and that's what they want politicians 1407 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,840 Speaker 1: ultimately focused on. So right, this story very important for 1408 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,720 Speaker 1: what it reveals about the swamp and how all of 1409 01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:24,559 Speaker 1: this works. Go ahead and put this first piece up 1410 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,800 Speaker 1: on the screen. So the FBI has seized the electronic 1411 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,559 Speaker 1: data of a retired four star general who authorities say 1412 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,960 Speaker 1: made false statements and withheld incriminating documents, so he was 1413 01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,519 Speaker 1: lying and covering up about his role in an illegal 1414 01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,880 Speaker 1: foreign lobbying campaign on behalf of the wealthy Persian Gulf 1415 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,599 Speaker 1: nation Katar. New federal court filings obtained Tuesday. They were 1416 01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,519 Speaker 1: sort of I think accidentally released actually outlined a potential 1417 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,760 Speaker 1: criminal case against former Marine General John Allen, who led 1418 01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,360 Speaker 1: US and NATO forces in Afghanistan at a bang up 1419 01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:59,639 Speaker 1: job there, great job before being tapped in twenty seventeen 1420 01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:06,000 Speaker 1: to lead the influential Brookings Institution think tank. Side note 1421 01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:12,639 Speaker 1: one of brookings longtime top donors the nation of Qatar. Okay, 1422 01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,840 Speaker 1: I did go deep on this. I will spare you 1423 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,120 Speaker 1: all of the ins and outs, but let me just 1424 01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,800 Speaker 1: give you a brief sketch of what the government is 1425 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,960 Speaker 1: saying went down here. There are three individuals who are 1426 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,720 Speaker 1: really involved. One of them is General John Allen, the 1427 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,400 Speaker 1: other is former ambassador to the UAE and Pakistan named 1428 01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,800 Speaker 1: Richard Olsen. And the third is someone they describe as 1429 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,960 Speaker 1: a quote prolific political donor who's now serving a twelve 1430 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,880 Speaker 1: year prison sentence on corruption charges related to those donations, 1431 01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,360 Speaker 1: some of which were fraudulent. He would donate that it 1432 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,719 Speaker 1: was really on behalf of some foreign individual who wasn't 1433 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,120 Speaker 1: supposed to be donating in our political elections, or sometimes 1434 01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,840 Speaker 1: he would invent names to funnel donations through. There was 1435 01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,200 Speaker 1: all kinds of shady dealings going on here at the 1436 01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:59,240 Speaker 1: highest level. This man's name is Ahmad Zuberry. And if 1437 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:03,000 Speaker 1: you look into the details of what happened with Zuberi 1438 01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:08,800 Speaker 1: and Olsen and John Allen here, basically they were all 1439 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,920 Speaker 1: colluding again allegedly. I'm sure their lawyers say this didn't happen, 1440 01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,240 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. They were all colluding to come 1441 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,760 Speaker 1: up with a way that they could represent Katari's interests 1442 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,720 Speaker 1: within the Trump administration. I want to say that this 1443 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:25,400 Speaker 1: though story is completely bipartisan. This shady Zuberi character who's 1444 01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,120 Speaker 1: now serving twelve year prison sentence, He's got pictures with 1445 01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:32,920 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, he got meetings with Joe Biden. You know, 1446 01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:37,639 Speaker 1: this is a complete political mercenary who is a hired 1447 01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:41,960 Speaker 1: gun for the shadiest characters around the world to try 1448 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,599 Speaker 1: to peddle influence here in Washington and also by the time, 1449 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,920 Speaker 1: by the way, sometimes with success. There's a quote here, 1450 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,920 Speaker 1: God put this next piece up on the screen. This 1451 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,760 Speaker 1: is about This is about the US ambassador Olson part 1452 01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,680 Speaker 1: of what happened here. This is the guy who was 1453 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,720 Speaker 1: ambassador to UA in Pakistan. He was in trouble with 1454 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,960 Speaker 1: the FBI, and he was basically like, how come you're 1455 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,080 Speaker 1: focused on me? And what about John Allen, who I 1456 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,400 Speaker 1: had like, I was in cahoots with this guy, and 1457 01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,960 Speaker 1: you're not looking at him at all. So that's part 1458 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,600 Speaker 1: of how the FBI ends up at General John Allen's doorstep. 1459 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,320 Speaker 1: Olsen was being paid twenty k a month by this 1460 01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:25,240 Speaker 1: sketchy political donor dude serving the twelve year prison sentences, 1461 01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,800 Speaker 1: and he also the sketchy donor dude agreed to pay 1462 01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:34,600 Speaker 1: Allen an undisclosed fee for his efforts, according to prosecutors 1463 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,479 Speaker 1: in Olsen's plea deal, but Alan's booksman says the General 1464 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,719 Speaker 1: was actually never paid. They say. In mid June, Allen 1465 01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,760 Speaker 1: met with Olsen and Zuberry at a Washington hotel to 1466 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,280 Speaker 1: explain quote how he would conduct the lobbying and pr campaign, 1467 01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,599 Speaker 1: accordneying prosecutors. A few days later, they flew to Qatar 1468 01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,720 Speaker 1: at zuberr the sketchy political donor's expense, to meet with 1469 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,639 Speaker 1: Katari's ruling a mirror other government officials, where the pair 1470 01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,000 Speaker 1: explained they were not representing the US government, but no 1471 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,880 Speaker 1: voted they had connections with US government officials that placed 1472 01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,400 Speaker 1: them in a position to help Guitar. Alan advised the 1473 01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,280 Speaker 1: Kataris on what steps to take including signing a pending 1474 01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:12,160 Speaker 1: deal to purchase F fifteen fighter jets and using a 1475 01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,320 Speaker 1: major military base in Guitar as leveraged to exert influence 1476 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,240 Speaker 1: over US government officials. And what do you know, just 1477 01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,000 Speaker 1: four days later, Qatar signed a deal to purchase those jets. 1478 01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:26,000 Speaker 1: Per Allen's advice, the last piece I want to lay 1479 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,720 Speaker 1: out for you here, and the reporting from the AP 1480 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,880 Speaker 1: has been really strong, did you guys want to Yeah, 1481 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,720 Speaker 1: great job tracking all of this down. Go ahead and 1482 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,519 Speaker 1: put this last piece up on the screen. So this one, 1483 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,120 Speaker 1: the headline is mercenary donor sold access for millions in 1484 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:44,839 Speaker 1: foreign money. Prosecutors describe Zuberi as a quote mercenary political 1485 01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,679 Speaker 1: donor who gave to anyone, often using illegal straw donor 1486 01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:50,559 Speaker 1: cutouts he thought could help him pay to play. He 1487 01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:56,320 Speaker 1: explained to clients, was just how America works. He also said, 1488 01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,880 Speaker 1: we get requests for meetings from all scumbag of the world, 1489 01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:04,400 Speaker 1: war lords, kings, queen's presence for life, military dictator's clan chiefs, 1490 01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:08,000 Speaker 1: tribal chiefs and etc. And he says everyone wants to 1491 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:13,120 Speaker 1: come to Washington to meet people. So again, shady character 1492 01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,639 Speaker 1: did not do a good job even hiding his illegal 1493 01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:21,360 Speaker 1: criminal behavior no problem gaining access to the highest level 1494 01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,360 Speaker 1: officials on both parties. Yeah, absolutely, go and put this 1495 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,040 Speaker 1: next one up there on the screen. Ken Vogel makes 1496 01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,920 Speaker 1: a great point. DC think tanks always downplay suggestions that 1497 01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,719 Speaker 1: they're part of influence campaigns. But now the FBI says 1498 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,000 Speaker 1: that the literal president of Brookings tried to hide his 1499 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,519 Speaker 1: role in an illegal foreign lobbying campaign for Quitar. Look, 1500 01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:42,240 Speaker 1: they've got him dead to rights. He emailed the National 1501 01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:44,120 Speaker 1: Security Advisor of the United States who he knew and 1502 01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:47,559 Speaker 1: served in the military with while he was I guess 1503 01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,679 Speaker 1: maybe getting paid by these people to say you should 1504 01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:51,840 Speaker 1: have more friendly tone to guitar. How much more pay 1505 01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,320 Speaker 1: to play does get? Yeah? People, And then this is 1506 01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:57,280 Speaker 1: even better. They have the three of them, or at 1507 01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,960 Speaker 1: least Alan and Olsen conspiring of like, oh, what can 1508 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,639 Speaker 1: we say that we were really doing. Let's say Alan 1509 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,160 Speaker 1: was setting up a foreign military advisory panel for Qatar 1510 01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,519 Speaker 1: and that's what he was really there for. So and 1511 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,959 Speaker 1: they have them hiding documents and making up these stories 1512 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:15,719 Speaker 1: that they go ahead and push to the FED. So, yeah, 1513 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,719 Speaker 1: it's damning. And Brookings, by the way, has already suspended 1514 01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,880 Speaker 1: the student at the Weigel treatment. Yes see, at the 1515 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:25,840 Speaker 1: Wigel treatment, they already put him on leave, presumably unpaid 1516 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,720 Speaker 1: al though not one hundred pars. I'm sure he's about that. 1517 01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,040 Speaker 1: But you know, here's the thing. People know this. I 1518 01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,360 Speaker 1: lived in Qatar. I went to last year's high school 1519 01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:34,720 Speaker 1: were there. Brookings has had a presence in Qatar for 1520 01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,080 Speaker 1: a long time, and there's always been sketchy stuff with 1521 01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,840 Speaker 1: like the Brookings Doha Institution. I could see it while 1522 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,800 Speaker 1: I was there. Their basic plan is, we know we're 1523 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:45,719 Speaker 1: going to run out of oil and we got nothing 1524 01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,439 Speaker 1: else going on over here, so let's just pay our 1525 01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,960 Speaker 1: natural gas. Also, let's go ahead and just pay off 1526 01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,960 Speaker 1: all the major institutions in the West. Have them come 1527 01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,880 Speaker 1: here and intellectualize our society, which if you know anything 1528 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,880 Speaker 1: about them, that's interesting try and thing to do over there. 1529 01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,200 Speaker 1: But that's what they've been trying to do with Brookings 1530 01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:07,960 Speaker 1: and others. Now. The problem was is that when they 1531 01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:10,200 Speaker 1: got into all that snaff foo people forget about this. 1532 01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,280 Speaker 1: They were like cut off by the UAE and the Saudis. 1533 01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,840 Speaker 1: It was like the whole thing. Then they used their 1534 01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:19,880 Speaker 1: buyoffs and institutional connections to lobby heavily the Trump administration 1535 01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,160 Speaker 1: and others not to just side with the UA and 1536 01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,479 Speaker 1: to try and play a broker role. They called in 1537 01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,919 Speaker 1: all their favors with Rex Tillerson, he was a Secretary 1538 01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,519 Speaker 1: of State, and at the time it's all unfolding exactly. 1539 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,559 Speaker 1: It all happening during that time. This is a big 1540 01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,839 Speaker 1: problem for Qatar because remember Qatar, it's a tiny little peninsula. 1541 01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,200 Speaker 1: There's nothing going on there. And then connected to the 1542 01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,400 Speaker 1: Saudi's there one land border they just got cut off of, 1543 01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:41,920 Speaker 1: so they got to fly in all this stuff over here. 1544 01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:43,760 Speaker 1: So there apparently you know, my mom had been gone 1545 01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,360 Speaker 1: over there and she was saying the grocery store like 1546 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,040 Speaker 1: everything was from Turkey and Iran all of a sudden, Yeah, 1547 01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,639 Speaker 1: because the food, the normal food, all this stuff got anyway, 1548 01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,240 Speaker 1: it was a huge problem for the economy in Qatar. Now, 1549 01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,760 Speaker 1: what happened then is that they started calling in all 1550 01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,000 Speaker 1: the favors of all these billions that they've been paying 1551 01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,920 Speaker 1: off all of these Westerners. And this is exactly the 1552 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:07,160 Speaker 1: issue with having all of this intertwined connection with these 1553 01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,679 Speaker 1: foreign governments. I mean, when you have these foreign governments 1554 01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:12,160 Speaker 1: are donating all this money and spreading it around town. 1555 01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,400 Speaker 1: Nobody does it for free. There's always a cost, always, 1556 01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,439 Speaker 1: and that's something that so many people here have tried 1557 01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:20,679 Speaker 1: to deny. I'm not going to say it's always pay 1558 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,920 Speaker 1: for play, but it doesn't never help. It never hurts 1559 01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,880 Speaker 1: right to give fifty thousand or one hundred thousand or okay, 1560 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,160 Speaker 1: some guy twenty grand a month. I'm mean something. These stories, 1561 01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:31,960 Speaker 1: a lot of them, are really really quite connected because 1562 01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:36,200 Speaker 1: you see who actually is able to influence policy and 1563 01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,519 Speaker 1: actually get what they want oftentimes in Washington, and the 1564 01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,880 Speaker 1: sort of you know, the games they play to be 1565 01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,840 Speaker 1: able to do it. And you see issues that have 1566 01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,559 Speaker 1: huge public support and get no movement in Congress whatsoever. 1567 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,080 Speaker 1: And then you wonder why you have the societal breakdowns, 1568 01:19:52,160 --> 01:19:55,320 Speaker 1: not to excuse like the criminals and the lunatics that 1569 01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,200 Speaker 1: would you know, cause mass violence or political violence, but 1570 01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,640 Speaker 1: then you wonder why you have the societal breakdown of 1571 01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,960 Speaker 1: people who are like you know, using these fringe and 1572 01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:08,120 Speaker 1: violent means to try to make their political It's all 1573 01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,760 Speaker 1: a sign of a society and complete breakdown. When this 1574 01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,479 Speaker 1: is the real way to get influence and power across 1575 01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,919 Speaker 1: both political parties. That is a devastating state of affairs. 1576 01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,280 Speaker 1: And you know, these think tanks like they have this 1577 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,280 Speaker 1: very sort of like high and mighty type of image, 1578 01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,439 Speaker 1: especially in this town, like oh, we're just intellectuals here, 1579 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,960 Speaker 1: like coming up with policy ideas and trying to you know, help. 1580 01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:34,439 Speaker 1: They're incredibly enmeshed in the political world and provide the 1581 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,240 Speaker 1: sort of backbone and thinking behind a lot of legislation 1582 01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,600 Speaker 1: that ultimately gets done. Congress basically outsources a lot of 1583 01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,599 Speaker 1: their work to do to these think tanks. And it's 1584 01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean, this is again completely bipartisan and non ideological. 1585 01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,680 Speaker 1: All of these think tanks are in bed with disgusting 1586 01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:58,760 Speaker 1: people and countries. Yes, that's exactly exactly right. So you know, 1587 01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:03,880 Speaker 1: this is the real This cast of characters is far 1588 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,479 Speaker 1: from the only one that is engaged in this. And 1589 01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,679 Speaker 1: you know, I think it was the Wall Street Journal 1590 01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,880 Speaker 1: I think it was that wrote this up that said basically, like, 1591 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,680 Speaker 1: you know, if this dude, this Zuberi character is now 1592 01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,960 Speaker 1: in prison for twelve years, if he'd been a little 1593 01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,200 Speaker 1: bit savvier and just played a little bit more on 1594 01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:23,240 Speaker 1: the side of like what you can is legally permissible, 1595 01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,519 Speaker 1: he could have done all that he was doing in 1596 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:28,920 Speaker 1: basically a legal way, and it would have been perfectly fine, 1597 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,640 Speaker 1: and it's totally standard operating procedure here in this down No. 1598 01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:34,040 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And just so people know, John Allen 1599 01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,200 Speaker 1: was one of those people who lied to the American 1600 01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:41,240 Speaker 1: people about the progress of Americans under the Obama administration 1601 01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,480 Speaker 1: while he was commander of all US forces in Afghanistan. 1602 01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,960 Speaker 1: He lied to all of our faces. Then he endorsed 1603 01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,080 Speaker 1: H'll I'll never forget that. He endorsed Hillary on the 1604 01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,799 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen DNC stays like, I'm a general and Hillary's 1605 01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,320 Speaker 1: going to keep us safe. Then he became the Brookings head. 1606 01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:59,760 Speaker 1: This is as swamp as it possibly gets. Clearly still 1607 01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,040 Speaker 1: in in the military bureaucracy, he was rewarded for his 1608 01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:06,479 Speaker 1: lives and failures in Afghanistan with the Brookings post. And 1609 01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:09,880 Speaker 1: now finally, you know, some several odd years later, is 1610 01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:13,559 Speaker 1: actually being held to account or yeah, maybe we'll see. 1611 01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,320 Speaker 1: I'd love to see him go down. He is as 1612 01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,719 Speaker 1: swampy as it gets. Country,