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Speaker 1: That when the impetus of it was Fox News was brilliant.

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Speaker 1: They would put whoever was the left commentator on the

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Speaker 2: And use them as.

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Speaker 3: A narrative, right, use them as a narrative. And I

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Speaker 3: but if you think about it, right, you're like, wait,

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Speaker 3: late term abortions, things that don't actually happened often or

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Speaker 3: at all, used as a big narrative just like when

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Speaker 3: you have abuse of citizens on some level. Right, there

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Speaker 3: can be bad actors in any profession and caught on tape.

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Speaker 3: But when you use social media and you use the

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Speaker 3: power of traditional media and you get somebody saying this

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Speaker 3: is what happens all the time when they're taking a

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Speaker 3: real snapshot, right, sports is much the same. I mean,

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Speaker 3: think of Tua Tungo Bailoa. Going back a couple of

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Speaker 3: keep putting out time and time again. They would put

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Speaker 3: out videos of Tua throwing the ball deep down the field.

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Speaker 3: Remember that, and most of us would sit there and

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Speaker 3: go like, well, that's what are we doing here? Because

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Speaker 3: Tua the arm strength, the ball wobbles, it's just a

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Speaker 3: et cetera. So you may be asking yourself, okay, wait, wait,

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Speaker 3: how does Kyen Williams. How's Karen Williams relate to Tua

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: How does that work? And I'll tell you very simply.

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Speaker 3: Kyen Williams signs a three year deal which as Dan

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Speaker 3: Byer told you at the top of the hour, is

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Speaker 3: really a two year deal at twenty three million dollars guaranteed,

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Speaker 3: which fits right in line with what running backs had

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Speaker 3: the last two years. We've been sitting here at this

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Speaker 3: voice of reasons saying none that actually matters. Right, No

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Speaker 3: And what happens. Saquon Barkley has an unbelievable season with

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Speaker 3: to make it two more years guaranteed. In other words,

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Speaker 3: This changed his trajectory as as a football player like

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Speaker 3: it was it you who told me yesterday that the

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Speaker 3: Right, So Dan shared with us that the Buffalo Bills

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Speaker 3: they're currently practicing without their starting running back. Now you

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Speaker 3: playing quarterback. But again, all of these arguments are are

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Speaker 3: his deal and giving him a contract far above the market.

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Speaker 3: Kyram Williams is telling you where the market is. Three

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Speaker 3: years at thirty three, twenty three guaranteed. And if you're

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Speaker 3: That's about what you expect should expect. That's not the

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Speaker 3: These are a notch below stars, a notch below stars

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Speaker 3: it's a two year contract.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Dan seventh amongst running backs in the NFL, and

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Speaker 5: There you go, it's about right right, And this is

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Speaker 5: and one who values running the football, but he's not

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Speaker 2: And this is a good contract.

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Speaker 3: So my point is, don't listen to outlier arguments that

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Speaker 2: Not changed a great deal, nor should it.

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Speaker 3: It's a position that you just can't protect your injury

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Speaker 3: They have not changed the rules inside the tackles running

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Speaker 3: It's about availability and the likelihood that you know, three

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Speaker 3: hard argument to make. And again you could say, well

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Speaker 3: trying to question Derrick Henry. I'm telling you that that's

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Speaker 3: again the exception. Sae Kwon Barkley is the exception. The

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Speaker 3: Aaron Jones played really really well. You saw Saquon Barkley

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Speaker 5: To the man, give those running back quick contracts.

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Speaker 3: And I told you throughout the year, that's great. The

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Speaker 3: argument wasn't oversigning those players. It was over the yearly,

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Speaker 3: It's The Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. There's a

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Speaker 3: decision you make when you're a coach, Okay, and I'm

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Speaker 2: How to play it a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Because I, you know, like, look, I believe in my guys, right,

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Speaker 2: Of course?

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Speaker 3: Course, considering our record, how we finished, and considering the

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Speaker 3: who's really going to keep tracking? What does it really matter?

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Speaker 3: And you gain some equity within the locker room when

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Speaker 3: you believe in your players, right, that makes sense. Liam

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Speaker 3: Cohen is the new head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars.

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Speaker 3: He's a guy who irritates the hell out of out

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Speaker 3: of Jason Stewart. I mean, look, everybody irritates Jason Stewart,

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Speaker 3: trying to fit in, trying to do their local chants

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Speaker 3: and cheers. It's cheesy, but it's sports, right, It's sports.

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Speaker 3: Here's Liam Cohen talking about his star player draft pick,

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Speaker 6: I do think it's possible.

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Speaker 7: He is committed man, like he is committed to driving,

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Speaker 7: not just himself, but his.

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Speaker 6: Teammates as well.

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Speaker 7: And I think that his teammates, like these guys are

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Speaker 7: challenging him every single day, like he doesn't get a

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Speaker 7: the East, Travis Hunter, like they are in his grill,

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Speaker 7: iron sharpening iron. That's what it feels like, and I

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Speaker 2: Jealous Yeah, yeah, yeah, stuck out.

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Speaker 3: Leave show here on Fox Sports Radio, John Middlecoff is

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Speaker 3: our guest. Shador Sanders as fourth on the depth chart,

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Speaker 3: I mean that falls right in line with you know,

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Speaker 3: he was the second quarterback drafted and they Kenny Pickens started,

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Speaker 3: and he's been a first round pick and Flacco's been

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Speaker 3: a super Bowl champion. Why would people lose their mind

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Speaker 3: over him being fourth in the depth chart?

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Speaker 9: I don't know me. I haven't been as dialed in

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Speaker 9: this morning to the internet even the last like twenty

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Speaker 9: four hours on that specific story. But how is that

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Speaker 9: even a story? I mean, he was the second quarterback drafted.

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Speaker 9: They already had Kenny Pickett and Placo who started for

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Speaker 9: them before, Like, what did we think was going to happen?

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Speaker 9: Even if you just based it on the other guy

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Speaker 9: that he was drafted with that other guy was drafted

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Speaker 9: two rounds above him, So don't think it's that weird

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Speaker 9: at all. Look, the Browns are in major trouble. Their

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Speaker 9: team's gonna think, how are their quarterbacks? He told me

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Speaker 9: that Lamar Jackson, you know, kind of tweaked the hammy

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Speaker 9: in practice, you know, busting a run down the sideline.

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Speaker 9: I understand, but Howard can you pick and Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 9: put hammys in practice like that's that's not really a

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Speaker 9: quarterback injury, especially with guys that I don't think are

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Speaker 9: viewed as you know, exactly Steve Young or Michael Vick here,

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Speaker 9: So what's that's that's a little bit of a red

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Speaker 9: flag for me. And that's sure what's quite going on

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Speaker 9: there in Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Stug Outleaby show here on Fox Sports Radio. John Middlecoff is,

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Speaker 3: in fact our guest. I've been asking everybody this because

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Speaker 3: I just you know, I don't want I don't want

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Speaker 3: to get to the end of the season. And somebody

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Speaker 3: going like, oh no, no, I called it. You mentioned Andy

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Speaker 3: Reid and how he's different from a McVeigh. Is this

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Speaker 3: the year the AFC catches up to him.

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Speaker 9: To the chief. I mean I've bet against him the

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Speaker 9: last couple of years. The Bills last year and two years.

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Speaker 9: I bet against them three straight weeks, and definitely against

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Speaker 9: the Rave in the forty nine ers and the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 9: and every time you do, they just you know they're

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Speaker 9: they're one of those teams. Now that kind of feels

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Speaker 9: a little Jordan Bowles. You know, they're gonna have to

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Speaker 9: prove you wrong before I ever bet against them. But

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Speaker 9: you know, based on the hits for the league, like

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Speaker 9: the Niners and with Bill Watson, Joe Montana lost the

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Speaker 9: playoff games, right, Belichick and Brady lost to the Ravens,

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Speaker 9: lost to the Jets.

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Speaker 6: Like it's.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm that crazy comeback. I mean,

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Speaker 9: eventually a ball is not going to go your way.

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Speaker 9: You're going to roll an ankle of a key player.

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Speaker 3: But they win the division every year. It's like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: they win eventually, they win everything, and it's it's impressive

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Speaker 3: as hell. At some point it has to come to

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Speaker 3: an end, and I just wonder if it comes in

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Speaker 3: in this year.

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Speaker 9: I do think that Denver, when you look at them,

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Speaker 9: I mean, they played him close last year. They usually

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Speaker 9: should have won the game that the field goal is blocked.

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Speaker 9: You know, Sean Payton obviously has a lot of bravado

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Speaker 9: and cockiness, but I don't think him just throwing around

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Speaker 9: how much he believes in Vo Nicks and how good

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Speaker 9: he know this team. He coached from really good teams,

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Speaker 9: So I think he thinks they're gonna be a major factor.

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Speaker 9: And I was looking at the odds. I mean, you

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Speaker 9: get them like three to one to win the division.

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Speaker 9: You can have a division where it's like the Broncos

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Speaker 9: can win it with thirteen wins and they could win twelve.

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Speaker 9: It's not like if you don't pick the Chiefs, you

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Speaker 9: think they're gonna stink. But one of these years they're

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Speaker 9: just gonna win. I think two years ago, right, they

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Speaker 9: won eleven games they won the division. So last year

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Speaker 9: they won fifteen, but they won whatever what it felt like,

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Speaker 9: fifteen to one score games down the stretch. So yeah,

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Speaker 9: I mean it wouldn't shock me at all this year

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Speaker 9: if they were a wild card and not the division champs.

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Speaker 9: This isn't the Bills in the AFP East. Given how

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Speaker 9: hard it is and the Chargers. You talked me off

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Speaker 9: them last year. I was actually more bullish on him

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Speaker 9: last year than I kind of am this year. But

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Speaker 9: that's usually when Jim Harbaugh kind of sneaks up on you.

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Speaker 9: Not that I think they're gonna be bad, I just

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Speaker 9: you know, maybe they're still a year away from kind

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Speaker 9: of rounding this thing out.

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Speaker 3: John Metalcoff Three and Outs podcast, Plus you've got the

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Speaker 3: Going Low Golf podcast and he's got a very overweight

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Speaker 3: small dog. There you go, that's what we've taken from it.

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Speaker 10: Swung on, Belted High and Deep and it's another grand

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Speaker 2: That was the call in the Phillies Radio Network. Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 3: He is on fire fortieth home run of the year

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Speaker 3: amidst all those MVP chants, all right, coming up next

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Speaker 3: to The Doug Gottlieb Show, who are the top three

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Speaker 3: running backs in the NFL right now?

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Speaker 2: And in what order we'll discuss next.

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Speaker 6: This is Game Tide on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 3: Now, Sam, I almost want to throw this one in

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Speaker 3: in Rank them, because that's today, right Tuesday's rank them?

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Speaker 2: Yes, rank them?

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Speaker 3: Okay, if you guys look at your phone, heler your phone,

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Speaker 3: you'll see this ride in Saudi Arabia that collapsed.

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Speaker 2: No one died.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I think it's it's fair game. I'm

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Speaker 3: sure there's people that are hurt. Sorry they got hurt.

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Speaker 11: But actually, now the.

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Speaker 3: Top three amusement park rides you will just avoid.

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Speaker 2: I am not doing it. There's no human on earth

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Speaker 2: that will make me do it.

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Speaker 11: God, that's awful.

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Speaker 4: You know which one I just never made any sense

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Speaker 4: for If we want, I don't know, we want to

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Speaker 4: do a collaborative one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I never understood the gravitron. So that gravitron is a

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Speaker 4: good county fair one. It's not a spin.

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Speaker 2: The one you spin around it like lose you to

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Speaker 2: the wall.

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Speaker 4: That's all you do.

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Speaker 11: Oh we call that the silly silo in Iowa.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I just remember it.

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Speaker 11: Was the cylinder and then the draf floor drops down.

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Speaker 4: This is kind of like just a like around maybe

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Speaker 4: a diamond sort of shaped thing. It looks kind of

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Speaker 4: like a UFO and it just spins in a circle.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't Yeah, I just never understood that. Maybe it

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Speaker 4: goes up and down a little bit. But thinking of

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Speaker 4: something else, I bet you if you google it, gravitron

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Speaker 4: would pop up.

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Speaker 2: I bet you that does feel like a transformer.

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Speaker 4: I just never understood it, like I could understand like

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Speaker 4: while you'd go on a tilta whirl or like Grambler

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Speaker 4: or something.

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Speaker 2: But I'll give you one.

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Speaker 3: I don't like those swings that I mean, it starts

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Speaker 3: going around and there's basically like a chain link between

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Speaker 3: you and flying off into your untimely death.

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Speaker 12: After Doug, after watching that video, I'm they're lucky it

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Speaker 12: landed the way it did, or else people would have

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Speaker 12: been maimed. Yeah, but yeah, the gravitron one, I don't

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Speaker 12: think I've actually ever done that.

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Speaker 11: Uh, it does look like a UFO.

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Speaker 12: I was thinking of a thing called the silly silo

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Speaker 12: where you stand in the cylinder and start spinning around

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Speaker 12: and you like stick. Maybe does the same thing. It's

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Speaker 12: you stick to the wall. Then they drop the floor

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Speaker 12: out and you don't want to like spit or try

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Speaker 12: to peel yourself off the because you'll just go right

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Speaker 12: back to the surface.

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Speaker 11: You'll just go.

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Speaker 2: There's one person that goes just flying in.

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Speaker 11: This centrivical force.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead, go ahead. Uh, that's okay.

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Speaker 4: I've also loved how Wikipedia has pages on the Gravitron

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Speaker 4: and other amusement park rides. But Doug, we are doing

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Speaker 4: rank them on this Tuesday. Let's rank the best pre

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Speaker 4: seasons in sports. Best pre seasons in sports. It's got

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Speaker 4: the best preseason. I think we know.

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Speaker 2: Baseball's one, yes, not even close.

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Speaker 4: Let's get the guys together. It's go check out some

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Speaker 4: spring training games.

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Speaker 3: I have friends that are like, I don't even like baseball.

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Speaker 3: I went spring training and I love it now now

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Speaker 3: I'm like into everything about it. Spring training is one.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go NBA two. From this perspective, they do.

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Speaker 3: They play international teams, so there's a little bit. You know,

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Speaker 3: when you play two NBA teams against each other, it's

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Speaker 3: guys that don't ever play, but most guys do play,

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Speaker 3: and they play international teams.

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Speaker 2: The international teams are trying to win. I'll go NBA two,

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Speaker 2: NFL three.

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Speaker 4: All right, Doug, rank your top three running backs in

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Speaker 4: the NFL right now this summer.

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Speaker 2: He's Barkley's one. Cool. When it gets really interesting, I

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Speaker 2: mean I can go full packer and go Josh Jacobs two. Right.

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Speaker 4: Bunch of a bunch of great nominees, yeah, John Robinson,

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Speaker 4: Tamir Gibbs yep, Derrick Henry yep, Christian McCaffrey despite his injuries.

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Speaker 11: He's back, baby, he's back. What he's back and healthy?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but he's never healthy. I'll do McCaffrey too,

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Speaker 3: and I'll do Derek Cay, and I'll do be John Robinson.

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Speaker 2: Three. Okay, all right.

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Speaker 4: Doug ranked the surefire Hall of Famers from the first

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Speaker 4: timers that we could get in twenty twenty six. Now

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Speaker 4: the list is longer, but I provided five names. Of

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Speaker 4: those five, what three get in the Hall.

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Speaker 2: That first ballot?

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Speaker 3: Larry Fitzgerald's the first ballot, and I it's say Philip Rivers.

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Speaker 4: Is that's where I wondered where you were gonna go. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Frank Gore and Jason Whitten were other options. Also, the

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Speaker 4: likes of Julian Edelman.

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Speaker 2: Is first time. Is he a first time?

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Speaker 11: No, I don't even.

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Speaker 4: Think he's a Hall of Famer, But but his playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Wes Walker should be a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 3: My argument is Wes Walker was the best third down,

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Speaker 3: best third down wide receiver in the league for three

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Speaker 3: four years. Is most important down in football. I got over,

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Speaker 3: I got I got shouted down.

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Speaker 2: But that's the in.

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Speaker 3: Three is Philip Rivers, two is is Drew Brees, one is.

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Speaker 4: Larry Fitzgerald, okay, fits who never really announced his retirement.

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Speaker 4: He's never had an official retirement. And that's game time.

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Speaker 6: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next to The Doug Gottlieb Show, we may

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Speaker 3: dive into your top three Adam Sandler movies, which was

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Speaker 3: also in the list. But we also can talk about

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Speaker 3: Shador Sanders. Is it a crime that he's fourth in

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Speaker 3: the depth chart.

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Speaker 2: Let discuss next Fox Sports Tradio