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Speaker 1: Hey, Colts fans, I'm JJ Sankovitzen. Welcome into another episode

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Speaker 1: of The Colts Show in Indianapolis. Colts Podcast. We are

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Speaker 1: presented by Microsoft Surface co Pilot plus PC and I

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Speaker 1: am thrilled today to welcome on the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: first time but probably not the last time. Charles Rbuckle,

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Speaker 1: who you have heard on our radio broadcast this season.

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Speaker 1: He did a great job on a couple of games

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Speaker 1: with Matt Taylor, and Charles used to play tight end

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Speaker 1: for the Colts back in the nineties. Charles, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the pod man. It's good to be able to talk

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Speaker 1: some involve you here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, good to be here. Glad to be on

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Speaker 2: the show. I mean it seems like just yesterday we

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Speaker 2: were in Berlin figuring out the Colts. We're gonna get

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Speaker 2: on a run and get to the playoffs, and unfortunately

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Speaker 2: that didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: But glad to be here, my mat Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you think about where that team was, in

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Speaker 1: the way that everything just felt after that game in Berlin.

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Speaker 1: You could not convince me at that moment that the

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Speaker 1: Colts would lose their final seven games. We're going to

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Speaker 1: get into a lot of that the episode today is

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Speaker 1: about the Colts offseason roadmap, and I kind of want

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Speaker 1: to just take a position by position look at where

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Speaker 1: this team is, some big questions, some little questions about

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Speaker 1: each specific specific excuse me, position group, and then kind

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Speaker 1: of where where we're going to go with the next

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Speaker 1: couple of months. So but before we get into that, though, Charles,

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Speaker 1: just because you know, I know fans heard you on

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Speaker 1: the radio broadcast, you know, give us your rundown and

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Speaker 1: just your overview maybe of how you digested like where

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Speaker 1: we were, Like we talked about where we were in

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Speaker 1: Berlin coming off that win over the Falcons versus where

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Speaker 1: we were coming back from Houston in week eighteen with

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Speaker 1: Colts Losers as seven in a row, Like how do

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Speaker 1: you digest and square those two things?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was hard because it was a team that

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Speaker 2: clearly wasn't mailing it in. I mean, you know, they

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Speaker 2: every single week that I want and I actually had

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Speaker 2: the chance and a good fortune to call that game

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Speaker 2: in Houston. Opportunities there each of the last few weeks,

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Speaker 2: there were great opportunities to be in the game, win

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Speaker 2: the game, but it just didn't happen. And I think

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Speaker 2: that's the hardest part as fans and people that have

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Speaker 2: been around this game for a while. When you see

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Speaker 2: a team struggling to find a win and you're playing

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Speaker 2: teams that started out slow and then they get hot,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's all it needs is one play to

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Speaker 2: happen here, one thing to happen there. You know, I

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Speaker 2: look back at Seattle because the last few games that

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Speaker 2: I called was at Seattle and then also at Houston.

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Speaker 2: And the Seattle game was just so interesting because Philip

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Speaker 2: Rivers had just come in and you didn't know what

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Speaker 2: he played as well as he could have played, and

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Speaker 2: the team had a chance. So that was the thing

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Speaker 2: you kept looking at. And I think the turning point

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Speaker 2: for me was the Pittsburgh game. I think the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: that the Colts were able to do the early part

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Speaker 2: of the year they weren't able to do, and that

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Speaker 2: So I think, you know, I look back at the

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Speaker 2: season and say, there's a lot of good that came

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Speaker 2: I bet if you ask any of those guys, they

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Speaker 1: I'm curious before we get into this, like as a

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Speaker 1: as a former player, when you look back and you're like,

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Speaker 1: Because like from my perspective as somebody who didn't play,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think absolutely right. But the football game,

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Speaker 3: Is not loyal. It just it picks with that.

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Speaker 2: So you have to find a way to seize whatever

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Speaker 2: And contrast and compare that to a team like San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: Think all the injuries San Francisco had and still were

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Speaker 2: But you have to start as a player to say, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I can't use the injuries as an excuse as a

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Speaker 2: coaching staff, as an organization, I have to figure out

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Speaker 2: of way no matter how many guys go down, and

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Speaker 2: we're still able to continue to get this done. And

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Speaker 2: that's the thing when you look back to the bottom

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Speaker 2: the Lom Martin Trophy.

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Speaker 1: All Right, as we kind of begin our off season

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Speaker 1: roadmap for the Colts. Let's transition from what we were

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Speaker 1: just talking about with injuries into the position that sustained

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Speaker 1: the biggest injury for the Colts in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: that is quarterback. So for each of these charles, I

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Speaker 1: ask like one big question that we'll dig into, and

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Speaker 1: at the end. So the big question is pretty obvious here,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six? And I guess it's a two part

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Speaker 1: with the Colts in twenty twenty six and beyond, what

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, all indications say he'll be coming back

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Speaker 2: like that's an opportunity for him to come back. Achilles

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Speaker 2: next year. The biggest piece for me, though, is how

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Speaker 2: the way he was before they started having the issues

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Speaker 2: I think those are the things that you have to

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Speaker 2: look at because clearly he had played some of his

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Speaker 2: we want to sign him. Can he be healthy and

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Speaker 2: then can he continue to create some of the magic

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Speaker 1: So I looked at a couple of things to be like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: where can I dig into some numbers on Daniel to

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Speaker 1: identify what he did last years sustainable or not? Because

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Speaker 1: he had that great He had that great year in

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Speaker 1: So here's one thing that I keyed on. I pulled

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Speaker 1: just those throws. Those, oftentimes, are some of the hardest

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Speaker 1: and those are throws you make, Charles, right where you're

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Speaker 1: identifying the coverage pre snap, you get back there and

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Speaker 1: you just can rip it. And to me, those throws

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Speaker 1: right there just show the trust in the relationship that

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones has with Shane Stecken, and Shane Steiken has

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Speaker 2: Well, I also think the one thing that PFF and

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Speaker 2: anything else doesn't tell you who are the weapons with

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Speaker 2: right mind you, But I also do think the versatility

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Speaker 2: and being able to find multiple people having a tight

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Speaker 2: taking the top off of it. You had situations where

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Speaker 2: I think watching Daniel's film in the past versus now,

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Speaker 3: More at ease going to whoever was.

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Speaker 2: Coming out of the backfield, mainly Jonathan Taylor, sometimes a

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Speaker 2: that's the thing I think that I look for from

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Speaker 2: him moving forward, knowing where first second, oh, checkdown, first second, third,

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Speaker 2: checkdown or they did a lot. What I liked that

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Speaker 2: to your point, his ability to throw in the middle

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Speaker 2: to manufacture. And I think when you look at this,

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Speaker 2: the whole offseason. You also can look back and say

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Speaker 2: he's had a chance to kind of mentally understand the

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Speaker 2: which never hurts, and Roddy Leonard is playing better. So

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of those things can play a

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Speaker 2: role and factor. And if Daniel Jones is back with

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Speaker 2: the Colts sname.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's also where Charles, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: the stuff that the Colts got on the rolls. It's

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Speaker 1: just it hurt. And it limited him there before the

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Speaker 1: I mean, that would be incredibly encouraging for the Cold

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Speaker 1: I thought a couple of things are interesting that I

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Speaker 2: Anytime you watch film, you would see early in the

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Speaker 2: six guy that's about two fifty and you can just

439
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 2: turn to them and you just feed them the ball.

440
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,679
Speaker 2: And I think that's going to be one of the

441
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 2: things you could tell the comfort level of any quarterback

442
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 2: that played trying to get the ball to either Big

443
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 2: eighty one or eighty four. And I think that's only

444
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 2: going to get better, as especially Tyler Warren going to

445
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 2: a second year.

446
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren played eight hundred and eighty nine snaps last year.

447
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: That was fifth most among tight ends in the NFL.

448
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 1: He's obviously going to be back, but Moley Cox and

449
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: Drew Ogletree are both free agents. So you know what

450
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 1: it sounds like is you do want that second tight end.

451
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: You can slide in and say, hey, your role is

452
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 1: to go block first, and that's what Mowlee Cox's role

453
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,520
Speaker 1: has been forever here and Mo is a very good

454
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 1: run blocker. Whether you I mean, you can look at

455
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: the tape Charles as a former tight end and you

456
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 1: can tell me exactly what's going on. I've talked to

457
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: Jack Doyle about it. Jack loves watching Mo block. His

458
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focused grades. If you don't want to trust

459
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 1: people who played the position, his PFF grades are pretty high.

460
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: He's a guy who has just been really solid at

461
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 1: that specific thing, and I think, yeah, there's a world

462
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: where you do want to bring back mo or someone

463
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 1: who can fill that role because it was so important

464
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: to how this offense operated early in the season.

465
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Speaker 3: It depends on two if they want to go younger.

466
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: I mean mo has been at that position for a while,

467
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: and I think that's where Drew Ogletree kind of came

468
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: in and thinking that he could be that black guy

469
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 2: or inline guy and us Tyler in other places. I

470
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: think Will Mallory was another guy that has you know,

471
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 2: just couldn't get couldn't stay on the field, was injured

472
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 2: and couldn't ever get through that crack, through that greed

473
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 2: tight end rotation. If it's going to be interesting to

474
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: see what they decide to do, they're going to have

475
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 2: to keep one of those two, in my opinion, unless

476
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 2: there's somebody else that they have in mind. So but

477
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 2: then you have a chance to go younger if you

478
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: go with Drew Ogletree, and then it becomes maybe who's

479
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 2: that third guy if MOLEI Cox is not here. I

480
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: know Moa has done a really good job. I thought

481
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 2: a couple of times this year he struggled catching the ball,

482
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: but then he righted that as well. And he's just

483
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 2: such a big, big, physical presence in the run game.

484
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 3: Man. It just it makes it.

485
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: Tough when you have a guy that can just almost

486
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 2: be a tackle, but you know, he's more athletic than

487
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: a tackle and just can come off the ball and

488
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: maul some of those defensive events.

489
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: All Right, So I want to talk about the wide

490
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 1: receivers before we get into Alec Pierce. I do want

491
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: to talk about how the colts increase in twelve personnel

492
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: and the addition to Tyler Warren impacted Josh Downs's role

493
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 1: because I thought that was like came into this year,

494
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: Downs was pushing, you know. I thought he could push

495
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: to be a thousand yard guy the way his trajectory

496
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: was going. And I think none of this is a

497
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: commentary on Josh Downs as a player, but it is

498
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: interesting that as the Colts used a little bit more

499
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: twelve personnel and had when they were in eleven a

500
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: receiving option out there at tight end, Down's usage declined

501
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: to his lowest receptions per game that was at three

502
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: point six targets per game five point five yards per

503
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: target was also the lowest of his career, so he

504
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: was just using a different way. I feel like there's

505
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: more there with Downs within this passing attack that as

506
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: maybe the Colts get their their arms around Tyler Warren

507
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: and what he brings. Okay, how can now we layer

508
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: in Josh Downs a little bit more on this because

509
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: you turn the tape on Downs is still an outstanding receiver,

510
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: but very much. It was interesting to see how his

511
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: usage declined. Again, I don't think for like performance reasons here.

512
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's just one of those things too,

513
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: is that you have to self scout yourself if you're

514
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: the Colts, to look back and say, Okay, here's where

515
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 2: we had Josh and this season versus the season that

516
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: just passed, and how do we kind of get some

517
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 2: of those things that maybe he's one of those guys

518
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 2: we'd grow smoke, get him out in the space, get

519
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: them the ball really quickly like they have done in

520
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: the past that maybe they didn't do as much this year.

521
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: It's different ways. You know, it's a jet sweet kind

522
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: of thing because he's a pump return guy. He's a

523
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: guy that can make guys miss. So you have to

524
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: go back and look at some of that too. To

525
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: see teams that we play that don't run as fast

526
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: sideline the sideline, how do we get Josh running and

527
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 2: they have to chase them. Those are the things that

528
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: come in the off season. I agree with you. I

529
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: don't think it was because a lack of him making plays.

530
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: It's just he didn't have as many to make last year.

531
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: And that's going to be interesting to see how they

532
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: worked through that.

533
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 1: One other thing here, Charles. In twenty twenty five, the

534
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: Colt said fifty two receptions by tight end out of

535
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: eleven personnel. In twenty twenty four, they had fifty one

536
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: targets to a tight end out of eleven personnel. That's

537
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: the Tyler Warren effect. I mean, just completely. All right,

538
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: let's talk about let's talk about alk Pierce. He's a

539
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: free agent. He is somebody, Chris Ballard said earlier this

540
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: month is a priority for the team to address. There's

541
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: going to be a market for Alec Pierce. Oh yeah,

542
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: So if the Colts are able to bring him back,

543
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: what did he show in twenty twenty five that would

544
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: make him that priority to say, Hey, we do want

545
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: to see and do what we can to try to

546
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: bring back number fourteen.

547
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: Within this offense, every time they needed a big play,

548
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: he seemed to make one. Didn't seem to have many

549
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: drops all throughout the season. And not only did he

550
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 2: make huge explosive plays. I thought he became a much

551
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: better route runner last year, but even more so this year.

552
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: He took another step there. I think you could see

553
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 2: Reggie Wayne's imprint on a guy like Alec Pierce, very

554
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 2: athletic volleyball player. If you want to have fifty to

555
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 2: fifty balls, they become eighty twenty With Alec Pierce, generally

556
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: he was going to go up and make the play

557
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: more times than not. And I think those are the

558
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: things the confidence level that the quarterbacks had no matter

559
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: who was playing quarterback, they're looking for fourteen and I

560
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: think that has done a couple of things. It's given

561
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: Alec a chance to say he's going to be that

562
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: next level guy, to almost move into the one spot,

563
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: which he was at times for the Colts.

564
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 3: And it could make a guy like Michael Pittman Junior

565
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: have to.

566
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: Say, I take you know, as their contract that has

567
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: to be renegotiated because my cap hit is so high.

568
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of factors going in that.

569
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: I can't.

570
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: I mean I don't have privy to that, but he

571
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: has just made the Colts look at him in a

572
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 2: different light in my opinion because of how they utilize

573
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: them and how they use them in this offense.

574
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: By the way, shout out to ELK Pierce for saying

575
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: the quiet part loud. He commented on Charlie Becker's Instagram

576
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: post of him celebrating the national championship with one word.

577
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: He said, twin.

578
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: You know what, hey, Charlie Becker, what about a guy?

579
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: You talk about a guy Indiana winning the national championship?

580
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: Great for the Hoosiers. I mean I lived in Indy

581
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: for twelve years so and I finished my last part

582
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: of my degree at IUPUI, So I guess I could

583
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 2: say I'm an honorary Hoosier even though they kicked UCLA's

584
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: but the last few years. At the bottom line on

585
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: it is Charlie Becker didn't play the first four games

586
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: or seven games, and then the stretch he just made

587
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: play after playing.

588
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 3: It's funny.

589
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: Alec Pearson Charlie Becker do have a very similar type

590
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: of game, and they're both very fast. But I think

591
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: they're both guys that if you throw them the ball,

592
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 2: it doesn't it doesn't miss their hands and it's not

593
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: gonna be on the ground.

594
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: Lett.

595
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, those those back shoulder throws to Becker in the

596
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: playoffs are awesome to watch it. It was like watching Pierce.

597
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the offensive line real quick

598
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: before he take a quick break. How do you how

599
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: do you think things shake out on the right side.

600
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: I think you can look at Bernard Ryman, Quintin, Nelson, Tanner, Bordolini.

601
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: Those three guys are going to be in there. But

602
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: the right side there are some questions there with Mackenzalvez

603
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: at right guard, Braden Smith hitting free agency, you know,

604
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: does Gonzalez kickout? And do you go with Jalen Travis.

605
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: What do you see as a potential roadmap for the

606
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: Colts on the right side of their offensive line.

607
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: It was pretty impressed with Jalen Travis in the limited

608
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: time that I got to see him this year. I

609
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: thought he played pretty well. I guess some really tough

610
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: competition as well because he was thrown into the fire.

611
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 2: I know, make Gonzalvez, you know, is a really key

612
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: important point and has played tackle. But if you want

613
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: to keep him at guard, keep the synergy there. You

614
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: just bump Jalen Travis up to the starting position, and

615
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: you know you're.

616
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 3: Gonna always at offensive line.

617
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: You're going to always have to look and say, okay,

618
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: we've got to have a guy that can play multiple positions.

619
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: Who do they bring in free agency wise? And then

620
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: also who's going to be our backup, true backup at

621
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: guard or center? And I think those are the things

622
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: that's going to be interesting to see.

623
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: How the Colts play that out.

624
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: But I thought Jalen Travis gave a great account of

625
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: himself for a rookie to come in in some situations

626
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: where he was playing against some really good competition. Not

627
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: saying he played perfect, but I'll say this, I was

628
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: he wasn't a guy that I was looking at by

629
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 2: the end of the game and say you were awful

630
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: and you didn't give us anything to play if I'm

631
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 2: an offensive line coach, and that's just a testament to

632
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 2: being ready, but also being in position when your number

633
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 2: is called, you have to perform real quick.

634
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: Before we go to break. I do just want to say,

635
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: like sometimes we get caught in this trap of like, oh,

636
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: we we know what this guy is right. You know,

637
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: Quenton Nelson's a great player. We know Bernard Ryman is

638
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: just a really good NFL left tackle. I think there's

639
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: more there for Tanna Bordolini. I thought he had a really,

640
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: really solid season as a rookie. But I think Charles,

641
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: I think there's some more there for him.

642
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: I do too.

643
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 2: I think the one thing you learn when you have

644
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: to play that center position weekend and week out and

645
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: you got some nose guards and old zero technique one

646
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: technique guys that just are gonna beat on your head,

647
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: you got to learn. And I think some of the

648
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: things that he picked up this year he was able

649
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: to do a good job. But there were certain times, well, man,

650
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: he's gonna you know, he's gonna have some dudes on

651
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: him that are just just some dogs, and he's gonna

652
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: have to figure out how to get that done. I

653
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: thought he battled. That's the one thing I liked about

654
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: Tanner all year. He battled hard, and he's going to

655
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: be the guy that if you look at continuing to

656
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Speaker 2: how do you get better this year, how do you

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Speaker 2: tap into a Jeff Saturday who played that position for

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Speaker 2: a long time, or any of the Colts that have

659
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Speaker 2: been around that can walk with you through that, because

660
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Speaker 2: center is one of the toughest positions to play, because

661
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Speaker 2: not only do the quarterback hold the ball every time,

662
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Speaker 2: you are the one to snap him the ball, and

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Speaker 2: you've got to be ready for everything that comes at you.

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Speaker 1: All Right, We're going to take a quick break here

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Speaker 1: Charles R. Buckleward running through the Colts offseason roadmap. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a look at the Colts defense, starting with the

688
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Speaker 1: defensive line, which has a lot of questions that need

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Speaker 1: to be answered. Layatu Latu is going to be back.

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Speaker 1: J T Twoeymoloai is going to be back. He had

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Speaker 1: some decent moments down the stretch of the season. But

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Speaker 1: free agents are Quidy pay Sampson, ebacom To, Taekwon Lewis,

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Speaker 1: guys who have played a lot of snaps for this

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Speaker 1: team over the last couple of years. Where do you

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Speaker 1: see the defensive line going, specifically defensive ent I think

696
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Speaker 1: it sounds like DeForrest Buckner is going to, you know,

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Speaker 1: work his way back. Grover Stewart is still a rock

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Speaker 1: in the middle of that defense. I think the Colt's

699
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Speaker 1: got some good depth this year out of some guys

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Speaker 1: I got to tell me why to BORI, but at

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Speaker 1: ed Rusher specifically, where do you see things going with

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Speaker 1: that group over the next couple of months.

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Speaker 2: I thought lat Too made a real big step in

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Speaker 2: his progression, and I think that was the one thing

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Speaker 2: you wanted to see in year two, how he would

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Speaker 2: play and how he would progress as an edge rusher.

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Speaker 2: But you need somebody on the other side consistently. I

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Speaker 2: thought Quity played well at times, but I also thought

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Speaker 2: when JT was able to play, we saw flashes of it.

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Speaker 2: Taekwon lewis also, So I'm imagining if you lose Quity,

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Speaker 2: you then have one of the younger guys, in particular JT,

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Speaker 2: who they've expected to kind of step up and be

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Speaker 2: that other side of the equation. You've got to find

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Speaker 2: that second guy, because that was the thing late in

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Speaker 2: the year. You couldn't get home, you know, and when

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Speaker 2: you're letting guys sit back and pick you apart, that's

717
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Speaker 2: the hardest part in this league. You got to have

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Speaker 2: a couple of guys that can come and at the

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Speaker 2: interior is doing their job, one edge is and one's

720
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Speaker 2: not or just not able to consistently. You have a

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Speaker 2: tough time. That's a tough role in this league with

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Speaker 2: the way they throw the football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's going to be a really important

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Speaker 1: position for the Colts to address that. They have addressed

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Speaker 1: it in the past with a lot of high draft

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Speaker 1: picks have yet to really find you know, I think

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Speaker 1: a lot too. Still, there's a lot more left in

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Speaker 1: that tank.

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Speaker 3: I think you know, JT.

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Speaker 1: Twey Molowow has got some juice to him. But that's

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Speaker 1: a position I think the Colts are going to, you know,

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Speaker 1: look into putting some resource into again to try to

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Speaker 1: grow it right there. All right, let's talk about linebacker

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Speaker 1: real quick. I thought it was interesting when Chris Ballard

735
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Speaker 1: was asked about linebacker specifically during his postseason press conference.

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Speaker 1: He talked about how the whole defense needs to get faster.

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Speaker 1: But that's a position where you know, Jermaine Pratt is

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Speaker 1: set to be a free agent. Would that be a

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Speaker 1: position you know that will linebacker spot resay? All right,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's that's where the Colts look to add a

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Speaker 1: little bit of speed to this defense.

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Speaker 2: This offseason, you know, And I think the thing is

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Speaker 2: Jermaine prattut I thought came in and did a really

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Speaker 2: nice yeah yeah, you know for coming off basically a

745
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Speaker 2: bad situation where he was to a great opportunity. The

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Speaker 2: only problem was he ands I ere are very similar

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Speaker 2: in speed, right, and a lot of times there were

748
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Speaker 2: times where teams would take advantage of one or the other.

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Speaker 2: Now there were other times they made great plays, they

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Speaker 2: would get down the field. But if you have a

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Speaker 2: guy that sometimes that you could come in and be

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Speaker 2: that third will or the third part of the guy

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Speaker 2: that and you can use him, especially in situations in

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Speaker 2: passing with the tight end play that we saw late

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Speaker 2: in the year and sometimes even earlier in the year.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what I see if he If Jermaine

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Speaker 2: decides to leave, he gave a great account of himself.

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Speaker 2: But they're gonna have to make sure they find somebody

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Speaker 2: that either can play two downs or all three downs,

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Speaker 2: does have the speed that I think Chris Ballad is

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Speaker 2: talking about.

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Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see if Jaylen Carlis can carve

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Speaker 1: out a bigger role. He missed all of it wasn't

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Speaker 1: just training camp. In the start of the season. He

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Speaker 1: missed all of OTA's too, So he's a guy who,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe if he gets a full healthy offseason,

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Speaker 1: he could carve out more of a role within this

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Speaker 1: Colts defense. I think it would be unfair. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: saw some chatter of like, oh, Lou Aumo hates jailing Carlos.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. I just I don't

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Speaker 1: think he practiced enough. I mean, it's hard.

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Speaker 2: I thought I thought a GK was a guy that

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Speaker 2: they kind of you look at here and Carlas and

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Speaker 2: they are similar, but they just couldn't quite at Carlos

775
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: could never get on the field. And then you have

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Speaker 2: to trust when you have veteran guys that are making plays.

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Speaker 2: So it's going to be interesting to see how that

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Speaker 2: linebacker that that especially that will linebackers is situated.

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Speaker 3: This year at corner.

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Speaker 1: We don't know if Travarius Ward Senior is going to

781
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Speaker 1: come back or not. He said he, you know, he

782
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Speaker 1: was gonna think about it, make a decision that is

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Speaker 1: obviously his and his alone to make and not our

784
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Speaker 1: position to speculate on it. Given the issues he had

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Speaker 1: with concussions. You know, some really tragic things that have

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Speaker 1: happened to his family. So that's not something I really

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Speaker 1: want to touch on here because that'll play itself out however,

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Speaker 1: you know, Mooney decides to do it. The guy I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about here is Justin Wally, where if

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Speaker 1: you remember back to training camp, Charles, we're sitting there

791
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Speaker 1: and it's like, have you seen what twenty seven's doing

792
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Speaker 1: out there? It's like he was all over from day

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Speaker 1: one of camp when he is a third round rookie

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00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: running with the first team defense and he's making plays

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Speaker 1: all over the place. He tears his ACL in a

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Speaker 1: joint practice with the Ravens. Now when he comes back,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's say Trevari's war does decide he wants

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Speaker 1: to to return to the Colts, there's not really a

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Speaker 1: spot for him. But I mean, if this year taught

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Speaker 1: us anything, you got to have depth there. And Justin

801
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: Waller can play every corner position, whether it's outside, you know,

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Speaker 1: in place of a Ward or a sauce Gardner, play

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Speaker 1: the nickel in place at Kenny. If you've got like

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Speaker 1: your your your ideal secondary of Ward, Gardner and Moore,

805
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Speaker 1: and then Justin Wally sitting right there, like, man, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna feel you're gonna feel a lot better about that

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Speaker 1: depth coming into next year.

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Speaker 2: He is one guy that I want to see again

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00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: because I was anxiously awaiting to watch him play and

810
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: it was gonna translate. He might have hit a bump

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Speaker 2: in the roll, but to your point, I don't care

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Speaker 2: where you put him. He made plays and that's what

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Speaker 2: you need. And it's almost like you knew that if

814
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: Kenny needed a blow, he could go in there. He

815
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Speaker 2: wasn't gonna stay there forever, but he could go to

816
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Speaker 2: either side. He could he could match up for you

817
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Speaker 2: if you went din. You had no concern putting him

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Speaker 2: on maybe one of the better receivers because he just

819
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Speaker 2: he had that confidence and he gave you and lou

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Speaker 2: Anarrumo that confidence. Losing him was a big thing. And

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Speaker 2: I also think Jaylen Jones left a lot of meat

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Speaker 2: on the bone. I thought he was one of the

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Speaker 2: guys that when he got healthy, he was going to

824
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Speaker 2: come and step up, and never quite got to the

825
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Speaker 2: point where I thought he would from watching him before

826
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Speaker 2: he got injured. And so I think those two players

827
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Speaker 2: are going to be really critical in the offseason how

828
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Speaker 2: they come back from injury, but also confidence level, because

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Speaker 2: for Wally, it's about confidence coming back from an injury

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Speaker 2: from Jalen Jones, just about how do you get how

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Speaker 2: do you get that swagger back that you had when

832
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Speaker 2: he was coming into this season thinking that he was

833
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Speaker 2: going to be one of those guys that could really

834
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Speaker 2: step up and make plays for him.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jalen Jones is another guy who didn't really

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Speaker 1: do a lot of OTAs. He missed a lot of

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Speaker 1: training camp. You wonder if that impacted him because yeah,

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Speaker 1: like you said, Charles, the Jalen Jones we saw in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four, regardless of what

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Speaker 1: the scheme was and who was calling the place, that

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Speaker 1: was a good player. And I think the Colts believe

842
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Speaker 1: kind of, you know the same thing you do there, Charles,

843
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Speaker 1: that there's a lot of meat left on that bone,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully he can, you know, participate in no tas,

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Speaker 1: participate in training camp. That should go a long way

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Speaker 1: for him. All right, at safety, this one's kind of

847
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Speaker 1: a sneaky, a sneaky one because it's it's Nick Cross, right,

848
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Speaker 1: So you've got a starter entering free agency, a guy

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Speaker 1: who has been an as sending young player for the

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Speaker 1: last two years since he slid back into that starting role.

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Speaker 1: It's not just him. Rodney Thomas, a second played over

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Speaker 1: one hundred snaps for this team, and that was with

853
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Speaker 1: Cam bidenm a nit Cross healthy the entire year because

854
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Speaker 1: lou Anarumo likes to play three safeties. He likes to

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Speaker 1: do that, and he didn't really have a chance to

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Speaker 1: in maybe the way that I think you saw him

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Speaker 1: try to do a little bit with the Bengals because

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Speaker 1: he Hunter Woller, a guy who I think was going

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Speaker 1: to play a lot of that dime linebacker role, he

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Speaker 1: got hurt in training camp.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: But Rodney Thomas is also a free agent. So if

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Speaker 1: the Colts want to address safety, they're going to need

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Speaker 1: to address it in some way, shape or form to

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Speaker 1: either retain a starting safety in nit Cross or find

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Speaker 1: a new starting safety if Nick Cross leaves in free agency.

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Speaker 1: But also the depth there is another spot that I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, really is going to need a hard look

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Speaker 1: soft season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll say this, man, I thought Nick Cross,

871
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: you know, anytime you needed somebody to come in and

872
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: play in the box. He had no problem coming downhill

873
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: on receivers tight ends running, but it didn't really matter,

874
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: and I thought he did pretty well in coverage. I mean,

875
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 2: you don't want your box safety or your strong safety

876
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: being the guy that's covering. But I thought at times

877
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: when he was in there, what It's not going to

878
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: always be great. But I think the one thing that

879
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 2: Cam gives you is just that versatility and flexibility of

880
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: doing things. I agree with you, there was when injuries

881
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 2: happened at that position. I think that's the toughest spot

882
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 2: for this team because of how Lou likes to play

883
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: three some you know, three safeties and have versatile guys,

884
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: guys that he knows he can trust. And that's the

885
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 2: part for me. Do you find a veteran free agent

886
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 2: if you lose one or two of those young guys

887
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 2: to free agency, And that's going to be a real

888
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: telltale sign once we get deeper into the free agent signings.

889
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: One last one here for you, Charles, before we get

890
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 1: you out of here. Who's gonna kick for this team

891
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:04,919
Speaker 1: next year?

892
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, you got some good options.

893
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: You got some good options.

894
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm saying.

895
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: The injuries have shown you that you gave guys other opportunities,

896
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: and now you've got some really. I mean, I think

897
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: that to me is one area you shouldn't be too

898
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 2: concerned about them, right, You have options.

899
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: You got to figure it out. But yeah, yeah, you

900
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: gotta figure it out. That's gonna be interesting.

901
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: I hadn't I hadn't thought about it much, but I'm

902
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: excited to say that they at least have options, where

903
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: in the past sometimes I didn't always.

904
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: Between Spencer Schrader and Blake Groupie. Last year, Charles, they

905
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: went twenty four to twenty five on field goals and

906
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: made every single pat attempt. Between those two guys, those

907
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: are who you're probably you know, Okay, we're gonna keep

908
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: Spencer house his recovery from his knee injury. Yeah, does

909
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: you know do we get do we get you know,

910
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: Blake back here? That's gonna be an interesting one, but again,

911
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: two really good options. Spencer Schrader is is an immensely

912
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: talented kicker. Blake Groupy locked into something that I think

913
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: he always believed was there. You were in Seattle, I mean,

914
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: holy oh, believable that kick he made there.

915
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: One of the hardest places to play. The win, you know, whatever,

916
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: the win is there the crowd, and he just he

917
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: used to so I think what you have is you

918
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 2: have a good training camp battle. And normally you don't

919
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: like to talk about kicker battles, but I think if

920
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 2: Strader is healthy and Groupie is there, I think that's

921
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: going to be a dog fighting training camp.

922
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

923
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been through kicker battles where if the

924
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: team had a kicker I used to be. But for

925
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: the Cult here, they've got two guys, you know, depending

926
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: on who they want to retain and what that looks like,

927
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: who again are really good options there. So no matter

928
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: no matter which direction the Colts go with at Charles,

929
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: I think I feel good about who the Cults kicker

930
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: is going to be next year, regardless of who it is.

931
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. I think you know, the

932
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: stats say it all. When you're able to have guys

933
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: that can make kicks and long kicks, you need that

934
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: in this new NFL. And I think that's exciting that

935
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: at least have the capability of hitting sixty if not more,

936
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 2: because a couple of times it looked like Groupie could

937
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: have went from sixty five.

938
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well we're going to get you out

939
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: of here on that, Charles. It has been a blast

940
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: talking ball with you. We will do this again soon,

941
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: maybe when we get around free agency and or the

942
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, because your insight was outstanding. I really like

943
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: this conversation. We are going to be back next week

944
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: with a new episode of The Colt Show. Wherever you

945
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: get your podcasts on YouTube, on Apple, podcast, on Spotify,

946
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: give us a five star review, subscribe to us while

947
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: you are there. That's going to do it for this

948
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Speaker 1: episode of The Cult Show, presented by Microsoft Surface Copilot

949
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: plus PC. Thanks again to Charles Arbuckle for joining me

950
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Speaker 1: on the pod this week. Talk to you next week.

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Speaker 3: So long,