Speaker 1: Hi, Chris, Hey, Chris, how's it going. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you some pigeons.
Speaker 2: I've been there. I felt like I was in New York. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm out there fighting pigeons.
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 2: I get back. I went for a walk this morning.
Speaker 2: I had plenty of time to get ready for the recordings.
Speaker 2: I sat on the couch. I'm going through the show
Speaker 2: notes that uh uh, Maddie said to me, going to
Speaker 2: make sure I know what's going on. And I hate
Speaker 2: this noise in the background. I hear like a little
Speaker 2: like a little rustle. I'm like, I get up. I
Speaker 2: walk around the kitchen island and there's a pigeon on
Speaker 2: the floor, just chilling. Kitchen pigeon, a live pigeon inside
Speaker 2: in the kitchen, right by the washing machine. And I'm
Speaker 2: like what, And then I must have said something, because
Speaker 2: then just went wow. I just jumped in the and
Speaker 2: started flying across the kitchen.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't like birds.
Speaker 3: How did it get in though?
Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to figure out. I'm like, it
Speaker 2: ain't coming with me because I didn't it at all.
Speaker 2: It was it was already chilling in the kitchen before
Speaker 2: I got here. It was it making a snack.
Speaker 1: It was there when you woke up and you didn't
Speaker 1: notice it.
Speaker 2: It was it was in there watching TV. It was
Speaker 2: all watching Netflix.
Speaker 3: Living in the even noticed you had a roommate.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, Ellie, did you catch did you catch that?
Speaker 1: B and Chris they lived together, though he tried for
Speaker 1: the shoot that y'all moved in together.
Speaker 3: It's a living arrangement.
Speaker 1: Business out there.
Speaker 2: Throw all my bites in the streets.
Speaker 1: And I already came up on a previous episode.
Speaker 3: You kind of said it, Chris, I just wasn't gonna
Speaker 3: double down on it.
Speaker 1: Well, that makes me look like immature, but it does.
Speaker 2: Really somebody here has a higher maturity level. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna point in what you want to be here it is,
Speaker 2: but you really tell me.
Speaker 1: Ellie talks about like civic action and stuff, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like, wow, I need to like really button up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I voted in a recent election, one of
Speaker 1: those small matter. It was the county executive. So George
Speaker 1: Latimer was the county executive for Westchester where I live,
Speaker 1: and he it's kind of unfortunate. So Jamal Bowman, do
Speaker 1: you know that name him?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: He was a yes, but he lost his election to
Speaker 1: George Latimer, who was our He's a more moderate, still
Speaker 1: a Democrat. But Latimer went up against Jamal Bowman, who
Speaker 1: had made some lightly anti Israel, like had had basically
Speaker 1: been not anti Israel but pro Palestine, and had made
Speaker 1: some remarks about obviously the the ongoing crisis over there
Speaker 1: and like, and you know, I think Brennan ambition as
Speaker 1: a whole, like we've always supported like a peaceful resolution
Speaker 1: and ceasefire all of that. But anyway, Jamal Bowman he got,
Speaker 1: he lost his seat. He basically sacrificed himself. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna not stay with Palestine. I'm going to
Speaker 1: say some things even though his district is heavily Jewish
Speaker 1: in Yonkers, and like were he anyway, So he lost
Speaker 1: his seat to George Latimer, which then opened up a
Speaker 1: spot for the county executive in my in my county,
Speaker 1: and like that's what I mean by these local elections.
Speaker 1: It still has a huge impact on you know, how
Speaker 1: things are run, different policies and stuff. So and the
Speaker 1: turnout was abysmal for this little small election.
Speaker 4: I don't get it, because I don't understand how you
Speaker 4: don't know that when you turn out and droves for
Speaker 4: a presidential election that has very little impact on your
Speaker 4: daily life, and you ignore the ones that are highly
Speaker 4: localized that have a massive impact on your daily life.
Speaker 3: Maybe I mean, they just don't teach civics in schools.
Speaker 3: I guess I just don't get it.
Speaker 1: It's also like the lack of local news. I mean
Speaker 1: it's there's not like before you would have like your
Speaker 1: paper of record for your town, your city, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: In Georgia that was always the Atlanta Journal Constitution a lot.
Speaker 1: You'd read the AJAC next year, New York Times next
Speaker 1: to your journal and all that, and like there's so
Speaker 1: much there's no there's not these like prominent local voices
Speaker 1: that people pay attention to. And now everyone's on the
Speaker 1: freaking internet. And if you can't it's back to your
Speaker 1: point about money, Like I think I saw one sad
Speaker 1: little sign for homeboy who was going up against the
Speaker 1: conservative candidate for this seat, one little paper sign, like
Speaker 1: on the way to daycare one day, and it's like,
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of money in these races, and
Speaker 1: if you ain't got the money, it's just it takes
Speaker 1: so much money and that's why a billionaire was able
Speaker 1: to buy the White House and did and uh, it's
Speaker 1: just it's infuriating. But that does remind me what I
Speaker 1: wanted to kick off the show with, which I did
Speaker 1: not put in my show notes. It's all good because
Speaker 1: I forgot too, but I wanted to start brown ambition
Speaker 1: this week at the Brown table by asking y'all, I
Speaker 1: just need you to send me just five bullet points.
Speaker 1: What did y'all do last week? And is your spot
Speaker 1: here at the Brown table in Jeopardy Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Hey, look, I can tell you none of the other
Speaker 2: people fighting pigeons. I can tell you that successfully fighting pigeons.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe on next week's email to save your
Speaker 1: seat you can include that. But like technical, this is
Speaker 1: a new week, So like last week, what did you do?
Speaker 1: Five things?
Speaker 3: Let's go in retrospect, not at Corentin.
Speaker 1: You know one thing I would do is you know
Speaker 1: I'm like an old married lady. Is because my mom
Speaker 1: yesterday I was talking to her on the phone and
Speaker 1: she was like, Mandy. I was texting Enrique about this
Speaker 1: whole like elon Musk email that he needs to send
Speaker 1: five bullet points of what he did last week, and
Speaker 1: I this is my husband, right she texted him on Saturday,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, yeah, I haven't even talked to
Speaker 1: him about this at this point, Like I'm at the
Speaker 1: grocery store and I'm like, oh, so, what did he say?
Speaker 1: Is he going to do it? His agency? He works
Speaker 1: under the Department of Justice, which is obviously a huge thing.
Speaker 1: And so they've been told right now, like, don't respond
Speaker 1: to that email.
Speaker 3: Or I saw that.
Speaker 4: They've been multiple agencies have been telling them ignore the email.
Speaker 1: But like, I wouldn't ignore it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, because that's tell me job, that's
Speaker 3: your job on that.
Speaker 1: I don't think they should ignore it because honestly, those
Speaker 1: people who are like his boss and stuff, he's like,
Speaker 1: oh he's a day And I'm like, yeah, baby, you
Speaker 1: don't understand. They have no power anymore. The power is
Speaker 1: in the hands of Musk and his doge people.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: That's I personally would not trust an agency over like
Speaker 4: the folks on the top, because they can fire the
Speaker 4: entire agency.
Speaker 3: They've been doing that.
Speaker 4: Have you not been seeing them fire entire cohorts of
Speaker 4: teams of people like that? That's a gamble, girl. You well,
Speaker 4: your mom talk to him. Now, you gotta talk to him.
Speaker 1: If we're just surviving. That's the funny thing, is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: when you have small kids, it's just hilarious. How yes
Speaker 1: we're all like I see the news and stuff, but
Speaker 1: like the for us, the day to day emergencies are
Speaker 1: like did you pack the snacks the extra snacks? And
Speaker 1: we have diapers in the diaper bag? And are their wipes?
Speaker 1: And like which kid is screaming? And it's crazy.
Speaker 3: You have to like survive bedtime routines, girl, I.
Speaker 1: Truly, and you have to like plan if we don't
Speaker 1: have morning coffee in the morning together like at seven am,
Speaker 1: just to like and and we have like a hug
Speaker 1: and a kiss and just like a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1: I mean that maybe the last time I connect with
Speaker 1: him until like the next morning, because that's how insane
Speaker 1: it is. Sometimes. Well that got sad and af.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of moms of littles out there listening
Speaker 4: like damn Okay, at least I know it ain't just
Speaker 4: me because the first few years too, so it's listening
Speaker 4: real af very raw.
Speaker 1: Oh thanks y'all. All right, Well Chris, would you what
Speaker 1: would you do? If that if you got that email.
Speaker 2: It's hard because I get why people are saying, don't respond,
Speaker 2: because like, you don't want to give validity to someone
Speaker 2: who's not even like who. No one elected you, no
Speaker 2: one told you that this is your role now to
Speaker 2: make all these decisions. You who are you? You nobody
Speaker 2: to be making these choices for all these other people.
Speaker 2: So I get it. But at the same time, I
Speaker 2: see what you're now. They're saying too. It's like you
Speaker 2: don't want to give them an excuse because they are
Speaker 2: just at any point, it's just letting people go, and
Speaker 2: it's it's it's so okay. I don't know. Maybe I
Speaker 2: would write them down and be like, let me just
Speaker 2: ask a couple of people what they're doing, and maybe
Speaker 2: we like a unified things. I mean, they can't fire
Speaker 2: the whole they can't hire fire that everybody got to
Speaker 2: keep us because these these foods to go.
Speaker 1: But they can just fire everybody and then like hire
Speaker 1: some of them, hire.
Speaker 3: Two or three people.
Speaker 2: Bet right, that's sure they are doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm texting him right now. Did you send your email? Also,
Speaker 1: we should be using the signal app for this signal
Speaker 1: is like encrypted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, true, Hey, don't be putting that in check in
Speaker 4: your and your eye messages.
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm losing track of doesn't it feel
Speaker 1: like when you read the news now, it's just like
Speaker 1: drinking water from a fire hose. Yeah, Or I feel
Speaker 1: like brending where I'm just like hanging on to a
Speaker 1: light pole and a hurricane, like those memes of like
Speaker 1: weather people, whether men and women, who are out there
Speaker 1: telling them whether and it's like mile you know, winds
Speaker 1: are one hundred and fifty miles per hour and they're
Speaker 1: just like hanging on for dear life to a like
Speaker 1: a stop sign. Like that's how I feel.
Speaker 4: No, it's yeah, it's the meme of the little cartoon
Speaker 4: on fire and he's like.
Speaker 3: It's okay, everything's okay.
Speaker 4: That's burning, like quite literally a couple weeks ago, everything
Speaker 4: is burning. It's just that I just don't understand how
Speaker 4: people are gonna go about life acting like everything's okay
Speaker 4: and normal. So many people are and I'm like these
Speaker 4: federal workers, like, first.
Speaker 1: Of all, the country is thrilled, true, although.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen quite a bit of stuff in my
Speaker 4: feet of the people who voted that way, being very
Speaker 4: upset right now, because they didn't think this was going
Speaker 4: to happen either.
Speaker 3: They personally are being affected, their families being affected, their
Speaker 3: loved ones, and they're like, this is not what I
Speaker 3: voted for. This is not so.
Speaker 4: And when I see them, I'm like, oh, a tiny violin.
Speaker 4: But I am seeing a lot of that. Maybe it's
Speaker 4: targeting me on my social.
Speaker 1: I think social to make us feel a little bit better,
Speaker 1: but I don't feel better. I feel sill.
Speaker 2: Man. That's what it's meant to do. It's meant to overwhelm, right.
Speaker 2: It's like the game plan is to put out so
Speaker 2: much happening at once, so you can't really focus, so
Speaker 2: you just tune out and just don't pay attention at all.
Speaker 4: Right, And like I you know, a tiny part of
Speaker 4: me is always trying to be contrarian, Like, okay, what
Speaker 4: if I'm just looking for confirmation bias of my own
Speaker 4: ideas and thoughts and beliefs. Right, So, if I was
Speaker 4: in charge of trying to clean up and let's be honest,
Speaker 4: bureaucracy tends to get really big and lots of unnecessary
Speaker 4: positions in government for sure, Yes, but what would be
Speaker 4: my plan of attack? It wouldn't be to fire everyone
Speaker 4: and start getting everyone to do it would be like
Speaker 4: maybe last in first out, maybe like like I don't know,
Speaker 4: I would figure out a way to yes, reduce because
Speaker 4: I don't understand that needs to happen. But the way,
Speaker 4: the tactics, the strategy, the methodology that you're using is
Speaker 4: ridiculous and it's so like near to impossible to justify.
Speaker 4: So I think that that's the problem that I'm having
Speaker 4: with it. I'm not up here trying to say they
Speaker 4: shouldn't be doing this and this is horrific.
Speaker 3: It needs to stop, Like, let's all be honest.
Speaker 4: There are plenty of government jobs that people go they
Speaker 4: sit at their desk, they shop on Amazon all day,
Speaker 4: or they work from home and don't do much and
Speaker 4: they get paid a government benefit, a government salary with
Speaker 4: good government benefits. So that does need to be addressed,
Speaker 4: but not in this fashion though. I just feel like
Speaker 4: it's the way they're doing it that's just wrong and
Speaker 4: that it's tasteless.
Speaker 1: He showed us exactly. He showed all of us at
Speaker 1: Twitter when he went in. It was the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: Fire thousands, hire some. It's all very confusing, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, there's no recourse. I mean,
Speaker 1: like they can do it. It is what it is.
Speaker 1: And I think that this is the strategy that I can't.
Speaker 1: I just can't. Everyone saw everyone who voted for them,
Speaker 1: like they said this, they said they were going to
Speaker 1: do this, and that is what they've done. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I really have like negative patients for anyone who is
Speaker 1: shocked by this. And I'm just like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: for me, when I wake up and I think about
Speaker 1: brown ambition and the promise that I've made to our
Speaker 1: to be a fan, to be like that voice of
Speaker 1: hope and inspiration and like let's keep pushing forward. Woo.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's I mean it's not always the easiest thing.
Speaker 1: But I was just thinking about, like if you've been
Speaker 1: let go by one of these agencies, I mean, the
Speaker 1: thousands of y'all that have been let go and are
Speaker 1: hitting the job market at a really difficult time. I
Speaker 1: was just wondering, like if we could chat a little
Speaker 1: bit about for them, you know, like what would you say,
Speaker 1: because they got bills.
Speaker 4: To pay, The bills don't stop even when the Jicks
Speaker 4: stop the paychecks.
Speaker 3: I you know, I would say, like be on LinkedIn.
Speaker 4: I mean, I know that it is exhausting and you're
Speaker 4: not in an emotional state of being where you can
Speaker 4: be positively doing that. But if you need to take
Speaker 4: a day or two to just like cry, disconnect, vent,
Speaker 4: write down your frustrations, call your BFF, and like just rant,
Speaker 4: do all those things.
Speaker 3: But once you're done with that.
Speaker 4: Like dedicate time to it, and then like get your
Speaker 4: battery pack fully charged, because you gotta go. Like at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, you have to go, go, go,
Speaker 4: Like I'm picturing the little energizer bunny right, Like, you
Speaker 4: don't stop, like you have to. You have to be
Speaker 4: on LinkedIn, you have to be reaching out to your network.
Speaker 4: It to be texting everybody that you're close to, Like
Speaker 4: if you hear of anything, send it my way. This
Speaker 4: is the position that I'm in, you know, but I'm
Speaker 4: in positive spirits and i feel like I'm ready for something.
Speaker 3: I'm ready for my next move. Because when people see that.
Speaker 4: That's a demonstration of your character, of your resilience, and
Speaker 4: that's the type of person they're gonna want to put
Speaker 4: on when an opportunity does come to their email in
Speaker 4: box or to their desk. So it is a little
Speaker 4: frustrating because you're sort of being asked to be everything
Speaker 4: all at once. But I do think you definitely want
Speaker 4: to address the negative emotional aspect of it, like cry
Speaker 4: it out, do what you gotta do, go outside and scream,
Speaker 4: throw plates, I don't know, do what you have to do.
Speaker 3: But then come back and like snap into it.
Speaker 4: Because you have people in your family and in your
Speaker 4: home depending on you.
Speaker 3: You, you know you need to keep it going.
Speaker 4: And then don't be ashamed to take like a smaller
Speaker 4: part time role or to do some ten ninety nine
Speaker 4: contractor work in the meantime, bro like that holds us down.
Speaker 3: Like I will tell you I've gotten in.
Speaker 4: Certain situations where ten ninety nine little contractor jobs that
Speaker 4: I've done have held me down when I was not
Speaker 4: full time employed. And you know, granted that was for
Speaker 4: me maybe a fourth five month period of time, so
Speaker 4: it wasn't extended.
Speaker 3: But those are the things that I think, Yeah, you
Speaker 3: got to be prepared to do.
Speaker 1: One thing that sometimes takes people that I've talked to
Speaker 1: a long time to do is like look up your
Speaker 1: unemployment benefits by your state level and immediately apply even
Speaker 1: before I think it's like each week sometimes you have
Speaker 1: to apply for unemployment benefits to like get on that
Speaker 1: track so you have some money coming in hopefully, especially
Speaker 1: because it doesn't seem like a lot of workers have
Speaker 1: gotten their separance payments yet finding cam Unity and other
Speaker 1: people who have been let go. I know, for my husband,
Speaker 1: his offer was rescinded by an agency that he was
Speaker 1: supposed to start with in the new year. Yeah, that's terrible.
Speaker 1: Nearly two decades of civil service and he is not
Speaker 1: a worker who just sits on his ass. Another one
Speaker 1: of his colleagues was also in the same boat, and
Speaker 1: like talking to them took the sting out of it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's almost like by opening up about what
Speaker 1: you're going through and doesn't have to be a public
Speaker 1: LinkedIn post, but just like an email to your network,
Speaker 1: you know, just to privately, sort of privately tell them
Speaker 1: what's happening so that they can support you and like
Speaker 1: make you feel better. But it's it's it's really a
Speaker 1: noock to even if you know it's part of this
Speaker 1: like crazy political you know, power play move, it's still
Speaker 1: not to the confidence like to your oh.
Speaker 4: For sure, in the case of your husband, where like
Speaker 4: it's not that he didn't get it he.
Speaker 3: Got it and then he took it back.
Speaker 4: Like that is some other psychological emotional layers too, because
Speaker 4: like it was mine, I earned it, I got it,
Speaker 4: I was given the offer, and that's this whole other thing.
Speaker 4: But I agree having some like having somebody companieser rate
Speaker 4: with is so important. Yes it's frustrating, Yes it's emotionally draining,
Speaker 4: But if you're actively looking for work, you have to
Speaker 4: actively do it.
Speaker 3: You can't be like, I've been looking for work for
Speaker 3: you know, six weeks, and I'm like, okay, how many
Speaker 3: how many LinkedIn messages have you sent? How many? You know?
Speaker 4: Did you sign up for LinkedIn Premium for free for
Speaker 4: a trial so you could blast a bunch of people?
Speaker 4: What have you actually done in these six weeks rather
Speaker 4: than just say I've been open to work. Being open
Speaker 4: to work doesn't mean you're actively taking the steps to
Speaker 4: find and secure position or make a connection with someone
Speaker 4: who can hook you up.
Speaker 2: And I mean, Mandy, you may you probably know this
Speaker 2: better than I do. But from what I've been hearing
Speaker 2: from people too, it's like a lot of it is
Speaker 2: like you gots just like leaning your network. You can
Speaker 2: be a little more unconventional about how you're broaching it
Speaker 2: down because with all these tools ail tools out there
Speaker 2: are weed out resumes even if you are qualified, they're
Speaker 2: spitting people out. And it's been a lot of people
Speaker 2: who've may reach out to those people they know with
Speaker 2: their network who have been able to have more success
Speaker 2: just because it's just so hard out there. We have
Speaker 2: so many other people looking for work and it's like,
Speaker 2: not even a guarantee you're qualified, you'll get through. You
Speaker 2: got to get a little more creative, which is more
Speaker 2: work and it's harder, but it's like you have to
Speaker 2: do it, which is just like, you know, I hate
Speaker 2: having to help people. Yeah, you just got to do
Speaker 2: work even harder to find a job than you would
Speaker 2: have had to before. But it's kind of turning into
Speaker 2: that now.
Speaker 1: But that I think when it comes to jobs, that
Speaker 1: it's just like accepting the reality that's a really tough
Speaker 1: job market. It may take you months. The average amount
Speaker 1: of time someone's looking for a job now is six
Speaker 1: months in America. The Department of Labor tracks that, and
Speaker 1: so that's a long time. And you're gonna need a
Speaker 1: system and a process and almost like treat your looking
Speaker 1: for nine to five like a nine to five in
Speaker 1: a way, and it's a huge but it's the mental
Speaker 1: game too, and it's the mindset. And I think where
Speaker 1: you can fall into depression and lethargy and like really
Speaker 1: filling down is when you when you give in to
Speaker 1: those feelings of like it's not fair, it shouldn't be
Speaker 1: this way. You know, everything is terrible. It is like
Speaker 1: drinking water through a fire hose. You turn on the news,
Speaker 1: it's all pressing. And to really build resilience, you have
Speaker 1: to build like that mental resilience to be able to
Speaker 1: say I accept the way that things are and I
Speaker 1: will keep taking a step forward. And I had the
Speaker 1: saying that I use a lot, which is that there's
Speaker 1: a version of me a year from now who's already
Speaker 1: been through this and has gotten me through it, and
Speaker 1: all I gotta do is just like think about her,
Speaker 1: because like she's rooting for me, she's gonna she's telling
Speaker 1: the story of how it took so long and she
Speaker 1: figured it out, and like you just have to be
Speaker 1: It's optimism is a choice, it really is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great point. And I love that perspective,
Speaker 4: like picturing yourself a year from now being past this
Speaker 4: and like channel that strength of like the light at
Speaker 4: the end of the tunnel and push.
Speaker 3: But yeah, like use WhatsApp group chats.
Speaker 4: If you're not in them, get in them, you know,
Speaker 4: find community. I'm in a lot of slack communities and
Speaker 4: I'll look at the Slack channel that's like opportunities or
Speaker 4: like job openings.
Speaker 3: There's so many.
Speaker 4: If you're a black woman listening to this. I have
Speaker 4: a good friend named ronisiha Being who started a community
Speaker 4: called her Agenda, there's so many. There's no profits, you know,
Speaker 4: like get get with your people and help each other out.
Speaker 3: Because at the end of the day, like if you.
Speaker 4: Send out an email, just like Chris said, to a
Speaker 4: person who doesn't know you, they are so much less
Speaker 4: likely to go out of their way, bend over backwards
Speaker 4: to put in a good word they don't know you.
Speaker 3: And same thing is true for a resume. It's just
Speaker 3: words on a page.
Speaker 4: But if it's a person behind those words that I
Speaker 4: know and I can vouch for, it makes all the difference.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's take a quick pivot into more
Speaker 1: like I guess it's not maybe not pop culture, but
Speaker 1: sort of related. My inbox was blowing up yesterday and
Speaker 1: my social media feed was the news about Joy Joy
Speaker 1: read from MSNBC her show has been canceled, the read out,
Speaker 1: and I didn't MSMB. I mean, it's it's just shocking
Speaker 1: to me that they would cancel her show's and yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want to I want to acknowledge what an
Speaker 1: incredible legacy she's leaving behind. She has one more show.
Speaker 1: It's gonna air the twenty fifth, I believe, so by
Speaker 1: the time this comes out, it's already going to be passed.
Speaker 1: But I'm sad.
Speaker 3: You know, she's amazing, She's such a powerhouse.
Speaker 4: And it's funny because I looked into it and I
Speaker 4: was like, why is this happening? And everything that I've
Speaker 4: read that that it has nothing to do with her specifically,
Speaker 4: but that they're trying to make shifts that could lead
Speaker 4: to higher ratings across the board.
Speaker 1: They always are. Usually it means let's fire the black ladies.
Speaker 3: Right, you know. But then that's the thing.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, right, they're just trying to get
Speaker 4: rid of her. And then when I looked at what's
Speaker 4: replacing her, it's it's.
Speaker 3: Simone Sander's, right, Smon Sander's.
Speaker 4: Thomson's and yeah, and then I think Alicia Menandez and
Speaker 4: and then some another guy something.
Speaker 1: Your memory is like, I'm jealous.
Speaker 3: I've literally read it.
Speaker 4: But oh, I recognize Lisa Menandez because I did go
Speaker 4: to a conference where she spoke, and I do respect
Speaker 4: her a lot, and small Sandra's just incredible. I read
Speaker 4: her book, which you know, I just I do think
Speaker 4: it's interesting that they're just positioning this as multiple voices
Speaker 4: and some diverse rather than one black woman's voice. And
Speaker 4: that is what I noticed about the shift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it did appear to me. I think
Speaker 1: that third, the guy whose name we don't remember, he's
Speaker 1: more of like a conservative slash moderate kind of voice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's actually a Republican if I'm not wrong,
Speaker 1: which I don't mind that. It's not about for me
Speaker 1: that they're you know, I like the multiple I mean clearly,
Speaker 1: that's what I did with Brown Ambition. I was like,
Speaker 1: I want more than just me, I want more than
Speaker 1: just two voices. Let's add it, you know, two and three.
Speaker 1: And I love that approach. I think, you know, we
Speaker 1: should be open to different opinions. But Joy is just
Speaker 1: such an icon and her voice has just been I
Speaker 1: don't know. She's just one of those people that something
Speaker 1: big happens, like Kama, like it's the nomination. You know,
Speaker 1: these even during Trump's inaugural, that whole like that whole week,
Speaker 1: you just want to like turn to these voices to
Speaker 1: find comfort into, like you know here, I mean not
Speaker 1: that she was always giving comfort because it was a
Speaker 1: lot of straight talk. It was a lot of like
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: You know, they had expanded her show to be a
Speaker 4: panel that included her would be.
Speaker 1: I bet they gave her that option. I doubt she
Speaker 1: took it because for her to step down, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it was more of a pride thing.
Speaker 4: You have to step down, but step down is better
Speaker 4: than a step away. I think we want access to
Speaker 4: her voice and her she's so powerful.
Speaker 2: But I guess hard get it.
Speaker 4: She's probably like, no, I can go somewhere else and
Speaker 4: grow rather than you shrinking my you know what, my impact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you feel like they've lost confidence in you
Speaker 2: all of a sudden. That like it probably probably makes
Speaker 2: you just want to say, you know what, I'll just
Speaker 2: do something else. I'll go somewhere else. We're on one
Speaker 2: and not where you're going to try to push me
Speaker 2: to the side.
Speaker 3: I feel that.
Speaker 2: But at this see something they're saying that they're trying
Speaker 2: to push towards like a younger demographic. But I'm like
Speaker 2: it may sit bec I don't think has the draw
Speaker 2: they think it is to bring in young people, making.
Speaker 3: Young panelists if you want, if you want to target
Speaker 3: a young audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm someone too, like I got rid of
Speaker 2: cable over there.
Speaker 1: People are not watching TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people not watching it turns its turning on their TV,
Speaker 2: clicking the little click to get to the No, that's
Speaker 2: not happening anymore.
Speaker 4: So that the row MSNBC clips on YouTube shorts like
Speaker 4: if they if.
Speaker 1: That that's where I watched my clips. I don't watch
Speaker 1: a full thing of I can't take it. First of all,
Speaker 1: it's too much to have these news channels on all
Speaker 1: the time. But yeah, clips right, and the joking people.
Speaker 1: I think we're just not consuming news in the same way.
Speaker 1: Like it's not like a think like my parents just
Speaker 1: have the news on all day in the background.
Speaker 2: Like we're like it's horrific. I don't want to sit
Speaker 2: there and listen to this all day long. Give me
Speaker 2: a bolt, carve out a window. I'll take it a
Speaker 2: little bit and then I'm cutting it off.
Speaker 4: But it's also a shift to the technology, Like we
Speaker 4: don't really use TVs that much anymore, Like I know
Speaker 4: most homes probably have them, but they don't.
Speaker 3: They just like collecting us.
Speaker 4: Like most people watch stuff on Netflix on their on
Speaker 4: their laptop or they'll connect it, you know, through HTMI
Speaker 4: to their TV screen or have a smart TV to
Speaker 4: stream on the TV. So I just think the fact
Speaker 4: is that people are looking at stuff on the Internet,
Speaker 4: not on television networks, and so that's really the shift.
Speaker 4: And it's it's not like I don't mean, I don't
Speaker 4: think it's to blame Americans for not turning on.
Speaker 3: The news all day every day.
Speaker 4: It's just that we don't have TVs on running all
Speaker 4: day every day like we used to. I mean, I
Speaker 4: remind parents used to do the same thing they used
Speaker 4: to have when Telemundo on all day on the at home.
Speaker 4: But it's just not a thing like anymore. I don't think.
Speaker 2: No, they're not really shifting with the times. And the
Speaker 2: thing is like you you got to pivot, and these
Speaker 2: traditional media networks like they still are hold on. Obviously
Speaker 2: they're not gonna give up cable because there's still people
Speaker 2: have it, but they're not really smoothly making that transition
Speaker 2: into like a digital streaming service. I know, like on
Speaker 2: Max they have a few news and networks that are
Speaker 2: streaming there, but it's not really prevalent. Like I don't
Speaker 2: think Netflix really has an option. No, I don't think
Speaker 2: anyone's going on Peacock where they're looking for stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I might be over there.
Speaker 1: I think Netflix. I feel like these streaming services, like
Speaker 1: live TV is a huge you know, you've seen like
Speaker 1: Netflix do more live events. Netflix just stream the SAG Awards,
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting here thinking, oh, I can't watch the SAgs.
Speaker 1: I don't have abciously, I don't have regular show, but
Speaker 1: it was it was streaming on Netflix. I could have,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's the time I was going
Speaker 1: to sleep really anyway. But I feel like there are
Speaker 1: these live events. I mean, it started with the Love
Speaker 1: Is Blind reunion show that was a sh show, and
Speaker 1: it was like all was that the one? It was
Speaker 1: all glitchy to start with, but then beyond sample was
Speaker 1: a big test for the sample. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: worried for Joy because I feel like she's an icon
Speaker 1: shall always have a space. It's another example of like
Speaker 1: why we can't trust even the you know, you'd think,
Speaker 1: I'MSNBC is so liberal and progressive and stuff, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's a business, and businesses
Speaker 1: are going to business and with this like fire hose
Speaker 1: of information that we're getting, especially in like in terms
Speaker 1: of layoffs and stuff, I think you'll see other CEOs
Speaker 1: and like company leaders take advantage of this time of
Speaker 1: chaos and just start cutting people out. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: I think DEI has been obviously impacted by everything happening
Speaker 1: with Trump, and you'll see you'll see more like shake
Speaker 1: ups and stuff to come. And it's just another signal
Speaker 1: how powerful your own personal brand has to be and
Speaker 1: how we should always be no. Joy like it's going
Speaker 1: to have a million contacts people who want to come
Speaker 1: out for her for the win with Black Women Network
Speaker 1: literally hosted an emergency call last night and supportive in
Speaker 1: suppport of Joy, And it's just another like, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a good reminder to just like keep that network that
Speaker 1: you have, your friends, your colleagues, your peers, keep their
Speaker 1: support and like keep your networks tapped into what's going on.
Speaker 1: With you, because they'll be the ones, like you said,
Speaker 1: youan Ellie who can open those doors to opportunities in
Speaker 1: a way that yeah, not many others can. In fact,
Speaker 1: if that happens, it's giving. It's giving, you know, financially,
Speaker 1: get your together. It's time to be paying off your debt.
Speaker 1: It's time to be saving, it's time to be investing.
Speaker 1: It's time to be and investing in your own self.
Speaker 1: I think it's a time. I honestly feel like it's
Speaker 1: a time for us to be entrepreneurial as people of color,
Speaker 1: as marginalized communities, like building businesses, like creating our own
Speaker 1: sources of wealth. I feel like there's this we can
Speaker 1: we have. That's that's a form of resistance, is a
Speaker 1: form of survival. Even it's just like build your own
Speaker 1: because we see how fallible our systems are to wealth
Speaker 1: and white superiority and the majority, and like it's that's
Speaker 1: the that's what's given me a bit of optimism is like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well we can't fix that, Chris, you with us?
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 1: All right? Your face went, You're frozen.
Speaker 3: I'm just sitting real switch off, No, I hear you.
Speaker 3: I love that. Mandy I do.
Speaker 4: I will point out I know that there's so much
Speaker 4: pressure for everybody to go out there and start their
Speaker 4: own thing and do their own thing because we can't
Speaker 4: depend on anybody. But I know I also recognize there's
Speaker 4: people out there who are like, I'm so tired of
Speaker 4: being pushed towards entrepreneurship. It doesn't call me, it doesn't
Speaker 4: speak to me, it's not me. In my bones, I
Speaker 4: know that I am not going to be an entrepreneur
Speaker 4: and I'm not interested in that, and that's okay. But
Speaker 4: I would say, go find your people who are are
Speaker 4: those visionaries, those entrepreneurs, and help them build You don't
Speaker 4: have to build that law.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Not for someone who is launching,
Speaker 1: like no, absolutely, one hundred percent. I don't want y'all
Speaker 1: to be doing this from a place of fear. I
Speaker 1: want it to be I want people to find their inspiration,
Speaker 1: Like I wake up excited to like make this show
Speaker 1: and to build Brown Ambition into like a multi channel
Speaker 1: media brand, and I want other people to join me
Speaker 1: on that journey. And it's like we have to open
Speaker 1: up the door and we're gonna hear actually be a
Speaker 1: fan and there's all there's many different ways to like
Speaker 1: build our own and to to to build our own
Speaker 1: sources of wealth. It doesn't have to be, you know,
Speaker 1: to your point y on Ellie dropping everything and going
Speaker 1: to like build a bakery or buy some vending machines
Speaker 1: or a trucking business.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: I just I want to say that because I just
Speaker 4: feel like I just spent some time with college students
Speaker 4: and they told me that they feel so much pressure
Speaker 4: to like become a millionaire by twenty one and like
Speaker 4: being make your own schedule, don't let you know.
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, don't be that noise.
Speaker 1: That's because we're all out here trying to say in
Speaker 1: sound bites you why, that's the truth of a Kid's
Speaker 1: like everybody's trying to push in a sound bite or
Speaker 1: in a social media clip or in a headline, but
Speaker 1: like you're just hearing the same and people's attention spans.
Speaker 1: It's like we need more books and long form content.
Speaker 1: People need the full comprehensive picture behind that.
Speaker 3: We just like need to make room for nuance.
Speaker 1: Nelly, can you do speaking engagements or no?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did want to speak engagements.
Speaker 1: Tiffany had asked me and for like some people that
Speaker 1: I recommended, like if she gets something and she can't
Speaker 1: do it, and she's like, I didn't think you, Nellie
Speaker 1: could take paid speaking gigs. Okay, good, okay, I don't
Speaker 1: want to block your blessings.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Christy.
Speaker 1: Your name didn't come up.
Speaker 2: But you know what, I was just acting like they
Speaker 2: had nothing to do with me.
Speaker 1: I with me, what is going on with you?
Speaker 2: Didn't need the comment didn't need the commentary from you
Speaker 2: on that on that topic. But you know, I figured
Speaker 2: it wasn't applying to me.
Speaker 1: I didn't mention you. What is other than pigeons? How
Speaker 1: is that stuff? How's your career.
Speaker 2: Going going on?
Speaker 1: Over there?
Speaker 2: It's going well. I was. I did some more stuff
Speaker 2: with fuse who me and you Ellie didn't work with.
Speaker 2: So I was down in La back in Wait on
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, right before the week before
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, I was down there doing it. So I
Speaker 2: did a couple of shoots there and that. But so
Speaker 2: far it's been fun something news. I'm out of the box.
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, yeah, doing that and then I'm trying
Speaker 2: to m I did and I couldn't. I couldn't come
Speaker 2: here and say, no, I know you're gonna look at
Speaker 2: me crazy.
Speaker 1: How do you make money because y'a elle, you're like
Speaker 1: primarily with next gen PF, but then you have your
Speaker 1: extra stuff on the side, right, and your book is
Speaker 1: your own business, right, like that's your own thing. I loved,
Speaker 1: Just like the multiple incomes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anything that's in the school system, yeah, no.
Speaker 3: For me, it's like four or five different income streams.
Speaker 4: So if it's in schools attending p if it's advocacy,
Speaker 4: it's Mission twenty thirty fund, which is a separate job,
Speaker 4: separate check, separate email inbox, then.
Speaker 3: It's missed off.
Speaker 4: Well, we'll see for speaking and for books and mind
Speaker 4: your Money books dot Com for any speaking engagements related
Speaker 4: to the book and book sales. So it's it's like
Speaker 4: four at least or five different incomes streams, which is
Speaker 4: I think truly what it has to be in order
Speaker 4: for you to be successful these days, because just trying
Speaker 4: to do one thing over and over're going really well
Speaker 4: lucky if you get that. But I just knew that
Speaker 4: setup was going to be much harder to pull off.
Speaker 1: Chris. I think you and I have talked about not
Speaker 1: just trying to get into the money or ask like
Speaker 1: gotcha questions? Always?
Speaker 2: I got your question Ryanlle's getting these nice, beautiful questions, like, Chris,
Speaker 2: so what's going over the relationship? Where where's your money
Speaker 2: coming from? Can we can we lighten up on me
Speaker 2: a little bit? I don't want you to get more emails. Okay,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be get some more emails about how you drink.
Speaker 4: We got a nice one coming up for you, Chris,
Speaker 4: We got a nice one up next.
Speaker 1: You know you don't come up lunching the emails anymore.
Speaker 1: You also haven't been on the show in a minute.
Speaker 1: But no, you and I spoke, we did our high
Speaker 1: last summer, and I think you were talking about like
Speaker 1: what's next for popcorn Finance, and like where you want
Speaker 1: to go next, and so like how are you strategically
Speaker 1: looking at how your business is laid out? And for
Speaker 1: BA fam too. I think it'll be interesting to hear
Speaker 1: your approach to it. So, because you're a serious dude,
Speaker 1: and I take you very seriously.
Speaker 2: Yeah that no one believes that you know what I'd say.
Speaker 2: I look, I'm not as strategic of a person as you,
Speaker 2: And really I actually look up to both of you
Speaker 2: and how well you strategize and plan and think ahead.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get better at that. So for me,
Speaker 2: my business is like it's the podcast makes up a
Speaker 2: portion of it. It's more so like this is how
Speaker 2: I connect with people. This is what gets my name
Speaker 2: out there, is how people find me. Other work I
Speaker 2: do is I do. I've been working with Trueliant Credit
Speaker 2: Union out in North Carolina for the past three years.
Speaker 2: So I host a seriously called money Bursts, So I
Speaker 2: do basically similar I do with the podcast, but like
Speaker 2: more video format. So I do like educational stuff for
Speaker 2: them personal find it's not a flops.
Speaker 1: Back of your all state Polo shirts.
Speaker 2: You talking about it in the beginning of this very
Speaker 2: bright blue shirt where.
Speaker 1: Like a Polo branded shirt short.
Speaker 2: Oh god, and they're like, yeah, you can drop that.
Speaker 2: I say, okay, I think that's a good move for
Speaker 2: move to me wearing my own shirts. But no, that's
Speaker 2: been really fun. They've been like you're super easy to work.
Speaker 2: Whilce I do that. I still do some consulting work.
Speaker 2: So I used to be a financial analyst. I would
Speaker 2: do like revenue analysis, and so I still do that
Speaker 2: from time to time. I'll do you know, we have
Speaker 2: a few hours here and there on that, and then
Speaker 2: you know, just I do some do some speaking, I
Speaker 2: do some brand work and things like that. Stuff I'm
Speaker 2: doing with Fuse now and a million stories. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a like I was saying, you
Speaker 2: got the.
Speaker 1: Men's Health thing, You're a contributing writer at Men's Health.
Speaker 2: Completely forgot how I do that. I write article it is,
Speaker 2: so I probably do like four to five articles a
Speaker 2: year for them. So once every other month I do
Speaker 2: an article for them. Yeah, So you gotta you gotta
Speaker 2: be peace mailing it. You gotta be you gotta be
Speaker 2: spreading it out because at any point one thing can disappear.
Speaker 2: You don't want to be like left just holding the bag, like,
Speaker 2: oh wow, I don't know what's going on now that part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, income streams in twenty twenty five. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: won't just put y'all in the hot seat. I'll share too,
Speaker 1: because that's one of the things that I have my
Speaker 1: accountability buddy that I meet with like once every couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. And at the beginning of the year, we
Speaker 1: made a goal to like basically dig into our dusty
Speaker 1: closet of like digital product services, you know, things that
Speaker 1: were just like on our websites that we had offered
Speaker 1: and kind of forgot about webinars and stuff and instead
Speaker 1: of creating new stuff, like try to repurpose and actually
Speaker 1: like tell people about stuff that already exists, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: they could take advantage of now Glass or you know
Speaker 1: remember the app fish Bowl, Yeah, yeah, Glass bought them.
Speaker 1: There's alls like an anonymous an anonymous like company advice,
Speaker 1: like professional advice kind of thing where you could be anonymous.
Speaker 1: You can post questions like a Reddit thread kind of
Speaker 1: thing on what's going on with you. And they have
Speaker 1: all these different bowls and the bowls are like different
Speaker 1: themes like negotiation and career pivoting and men in tech,
Speaker 1: women in tech whatever. I guess men in Tech is
Speaker 1: just called the tech Bowl. And but anyway, so I
Speaker 1: Glassdoor is like has influencers come on and like create
Speaker 1: content for their bowls, And honestly I love Glass store bowls.
Speaker 1: Like if y'all now it's now it's like the that's
Speaker 1: been branded Glassdoor, but it used to be Fishbowl. So
Speaker 1: if y'all are not on fish Bowl, the engagement is high.
Speaker 1: People are really there to help and to like provide
Speaker 1: you can put any kind of question. I mean, definitely
Speaker 1: send your questions to Brown Ambition, But like if you
Speaker 1: want to engage, I'm I'm having fun, all right, Okay,
Speaker 1: Well we lost a lot of time to Chris's pigeon expedition,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 2: Hey, it was tough. Look I'm still here. I survived.
Speaker 1: You might need to get a tetnis shot or like some.
Speaker 2: I know everything that pigeon touch.
Speaker 1: All right, fan will be right back with Brown Boost
Speaker 1: Brown Break. Stay tuned a and we're back. It's time
Speaker 1: for Brown Boost, Brown Break, y'all, Nellie, Chris, I don't
Speaker 1: got to tell y'all what a brown booster or break is.
Speaker 1: You got anything you want to share, shout out that's exciting,
Speaker 1: you can boost or anything you want to. I mean, Chris,
Speaker 1: you can't break your pigeon because that's you've already talked
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: That's a boost right there. That was an adventure. I
Speaker 2: didn't even need to drink coffee. I'm awake now stop.
Speaker 1: I can go first if y'all want to think there,
Speaker 1: all right, I have a double boost one I want
Speaker 1: to I don't think anyone's talked about this very much,
Speaker 1: but can we just acknowledge black Captain America's movie is out.
Speaker 1: I'm not a Marvel person, but I am an an
Speaker 1: Anthony Mackie stand and I just want him to have
Speaker 1: all the success he deserves. And I don't know, Chris,
Speaker 1: have you seen it? You're a dude.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've seen it. I've been there. I went there
Speaker 2: and saw it at Imax. I gotta say, look, Marvel,
Speaker 2: they've been a little bit of a dip movie that
Speaker 2: been as great. But look, the movie got a lot
Speaker 2: of hate for obvious reasons. We all know why. People
Speaker 2: have internet movie got to hate Captain America. We all
Speaker 2: know why.
Speaker 1: With anti Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was getting like before it even came out.
Speaker 3: Really was primarily the platform where people were hating on it.
Speaker 3: And y'all know why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all know why.
Speaker 1: It's a woke Marvel movie.
Speaker 2: Is not what it is, of course, but it was.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it, like, look, is it the best movie
Speaker 2: I've ever seen? No, of course that i'd expect you
Speaker 2: to be. But it was fun. I had a good time,
Speaker 2: had great action scenes. You had Anthony mackin there, you
Speaker 2: had Harrison Ford. It was I thought they that for
Speaker 2: Marvel and not having to put out a movie in
Speaker 2: about a year a little over year. It was. It
Speaker 2: was solid. I had a good time.
Speaker 1: Good well, I just I want to acknowledge that, and
Speaker 1: also I really needed something fun to listen to. So
Speaker 1: I turned on I got the Libby appout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would been using that for years.
Speaker 1: Oh you have Okay, I was late to the Libby party.
Speaker 1: But it's like the library app. You have a library
Speaker 1: card and then your library I guess because a certain
Speaker 1: number of loans you can get for audio books, so
Speaker 1: it can be hard to get newer titles. I had to.
Speaker 1: I was on the wait list for Keiki Palmer's book
Speaker 1: Master of Me, but I decided to listen to Jennifer Lewis's.
Speaker 1: You know, Jennifer Lewis from Blackish, Yeah, the mother, the
Speaker 1: Mother of Black Hollywood exactly. She's so phenomenal. But the
Speaker 1: best thing is her book She reads them herself, and
Speaker 1: it's like getting as it's a free ticket to a
Speaker 1: one way Broadway show with Jennifer Lewis, so her.
Speaker 4: Specifically, yes, and yes, both of them, but Keky's so young.
Speaker 1: Jennifer's just got so much history, you know, I love
Speaker 1: Keky's books for other reasons, but Jennifer is just like,
Speaker 1: it's so funny and she's just she talks her ship
Speaker 1: and I love it. So I wanted to boost her book,
Speaker 1: her second memoir, Walking in My Joy. It's a fun listen.
Speaker 1: And if you haven't, go back and listened to her
Speaker 1: first book, The Mother of Black Hollywood, because it's also huh.
Speaker 1: Warry Is.
Speaker 3: Got to read them both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, for Libby too, you know, because they're
Speaker 2: known for the way time because obviously libraries they got
Speaker 2: to pay for all those books there they're loaning out.
Speaker 2: But you can have multiple library cars, just so you know.
Speaker 2: I just picked up my San Francisco library car because
Speaker 2: I live in San Francisco now, so I got like three.
Speaker 2: I got my Long Beach library car from when I
Speaker 2: lived there. I got my LA Public Library, I got
Speaker 2: my San Francisco.
Speaker 1: You have my mom's Saint Louis library car.
Speaker 4: Chances ripple your chances. I'm not mad at that strategy.
Speaker 4: I didn't think about that.
Speaker 3: Sorry, well I can go next.
Speaker 4: I'll do the I'll do a brown break, which is
Speaker 4: that I got so many dms the last week of
Speaker 4: February with people freaking out about the stock market. The
Speaker 4: news headlines were like, it's the worst day in stock
Speaker 4: market history for twenty twenty five, which is literally sixty
Speaker 4: days in Like, so you mean to tell me the
Speaker 4: last the worst performance in the stock market in the
Speaker 4: past sixty days, and you're freaking out, ready to wipe
Speaker 4: out your accounts. Like I had to talk people off
Speaker 4: the ledge.
Speaker 3: I had to talk to people. There were people like
Speaker 3: what do we do? Like, I just don't understand.
Speaker 4: And so for me as a brown break because it's
Speaker 4: so frustrating that like, no matter how I feel that
Speaker 4: we're constantly putting out so much educational content, so much
Speaker 4: education content like out there, right, And I'll say again
Speaker 4: and again and again again, this is normal. The stock
Speaker 4: market will go down. This is a normal part. If
Speaker 4: you're in it for the long haul, you don't pay
Speaker 4: attention to these drops. They're going to happen. They're natural.
Speaker 4: It's just normal, right, Like, and then I get people
Speaker 4: sending me, you know, nine hundred and twenty seven billion
Speaker 4: dollars was wiped out from the stock market today worth
Speaker 4: day of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: What do I do? What do you think about this?
Speaker 4: And it's just like, oh my gosh, it's I think
Speaker 4: the same thing that I thought the last time you
Speaker 4: asked me. Like it's just so frustrating to be like
Speaker 4: saying the same broken record, you know, again and again
Speaker 4: with the same thing.
Speaker 1: Baby girl, you chose personal finance and wait, I know,
Speaker 1: but you just gotta say, all we do is say
Speaker 1: the same shit one hundred different ways from Sunday.
Speaker 3: That's so true. And you know what, it's a good reminder.
Speaker 4: It's a good reminder for me that like sometimes I'll
Speaker 4: be like, already made ten videos about that, make an
Speaker 4: eleventh because you never can, like, you know, it seems
Speaker 4: to me like I'm being a dead horse. But no,
Speaker 4: like people really need to hear it again and again
Speaker 4: and again. And so you know, somebody had asked, like
Speaker 4: explain it to me. I just don't understand, and so
Speaker 4: what I sent her a message and I'm going to
Speaker 4: make this into a real because I just feel like
Speaker 4: other people probably are also confused about it. But like
Speaker 4: she didn't understand how nine hundred and twenty seven million
Speaker 4: dollars could just disappear. Not I said million billion would
Speaker 4: a beat How nine hundred and twenty seven billion dollars
Speaker 4: could just disappear.
Speaker 3: And so then I explained it through real estate.
Speaker 4: I was like, if everybody's trying to buy your house,
Speaker 4: and your house is worth one hundred thousand dollars, you
Speaker 4: got so many people trying to buy it, you can
Speaker 4: increase the price. You can sell it for five hundred thousand,
Speaker 4: right because because there's so much demand, So you could
Speaker 4: create four hundred thousand dollars of value by increasing the
Speaker 4: price of your home. And if somebody wants it that bad,
Speaker 4: they'll be willing to pay same thing. When your house
Speaker 4: is not selling, you listed it, it's been listed for
Speaker 4: ten months, you haven't.
Speaker 3: Got one offer. Well, maybe you lower.
Speaker 4: The price from one hundred thousand to ninety thousand to
Speaker 4: see if you can find a buyer desperately. Then you
Speaker 4: just erased quote unquote wiped out ten thousand dollars of
Speaker 4: value by lowering the price.
Speaker 3: Of your home. And so I explained to them that's
Speaker 3: exactly what happens in the stock market. When you think
Speaker 3: of a like Nike. We're if one.
Speaker 4: Hundred and thirteen billion dollars, say there's a billion shares
Speaker 4: of stock of Nike, that's one hundred and thirteen dollars
Speaker 4: per share of stock. But if the price drops to
Speaker 4: eighty dollars per share because everybody's selling it, so now
Speaker 4: the price decreases, well, now you got to do eighty
Speaker 4: dollars per shit per billion shares, right, and so now
Speaker 4: you're seeing.
Speaker 3: Oh no, that means that quote unquote they went from
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirteen billion dollar.
Speaker 4: Value of the company to only eighty billion dollars, and
Speaker 4: that difference thirty three billion dollars is wiped away, right,
Speaker 4: like quote unquote disappeared. So it's not real money. Guys,
Speaker 4: Like I just I know it's so confusing, but I
Speaker 4: just felt like when I explained it that way, like.
Speaker 3: She was kind of like, oh, I get it.
Speaker 4: I guess maybe connecting it to real estate, which is
Speaker 4: something tangible that people can understand.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess my break is.
Speaker 4: A little bit of like a break with myself and
Speaker 4: reminding myself that I just have to keep repeating some
Speaker 4: of these lessons again and again in different ways.
Speaker 1: Because hired traveling world. That's why we need each other.
Speaker 1: That's why when I'm like, I know, that's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why I'm really excited with Brown ambition is
Speaker 1: like having a content hub, like having because I'm gonna
Speaker 1: just hire a bunch of people to write the content
Speaker 1: that I know we need, but that I like, but
Speaker 1: that I'm tired of writing. All right, Chris, you had
Speaker 1: enough time.
Speaker 2: Now, I know. I'll sit there thinking, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: you know, hating to pay attention and think at the
Speaker 2: same time.
Speaker 1: We all got a prom you.
Speaker 2: Know, I'll give it a quick boost to my boy
Speaker 2: Johnny the pigeon, who was in here. We were hanging
Speaker 2: out for a bit this morning. Chris, you got, I
Speaker 2: gave it. It's a small one, you know. He came by.
Speaker 2: We had a little we were gonna have coffee. Bad
Speaker 2: to kick him out because I was like, I got
Speaker 2: a podcast to do, But you know what I'll do.
Speaker 2: My brown boosts will be for uh. Yesterday I went
Speaker 2: and saw all the Oscar shorts at the theater down here.
Speaker 2: They didn't ran him back to back. It was a
Speaker 2: five Oscar nominated short films. These are the live action ones.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see the animated ones tomorrow. But they were
Speaker 2: really good. There's some really powerful ones in there. One
Speaker 2: that stood out there was two two I say that
Speaker 2: was my favorite. There's one it's called Anujah. It was
Speaker 2: done in India and it was based off of these
Speaker 2: two girls who are working in like a basically like
Speaker 2: a sweatshop making making clothing essentially, and there's a girl
Speaker 2: who was like the younger sister was like really smart,
Speaker 2: and they were trying to make sure she got to
Speaker 2: the school to test to get into this boarding school.
Speaker 2: So it's a really really cool story, really well told.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And the other one, I think, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've explained it right, but it's like a it's like
Speaker 2: alien but it's a and then space Lean and it
Speaker 2: follows this couple, I'd tell it there in New York.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: They were going down to the immigration office to apply
Speaker 2: for for the husband to apply for a green card
Speaker 2: and had a daughter together. He had lived there for
Speaker 2: here basically grew up in New York his whole life.
Speaker 2: He grew up in I think it was in the Bronx.
Speaker 2: And so then they get there and as he's in
Speaker 2: his interview, Ice shows up and they're arresting people in
Speaker 2: the immigration officers who are applying for their green cards.
Speaker 2: And it basically it was a story of this process
Speaker 2: and how this is happening and how common it is
Speaker 2: for ICE to do these raids on immigration offices as
Speaker 2: people in the documentary, it's it's a short film, so
Speaker 2: it's it's it's not like actually documentary, but it's like
Speaker 2: depicting these real life scenes that are going on, and
Speaker 2: it was it's like just in an environment where it
Speaker 2: now is just like powerful, sad, frustrating all the things
Speaker 2: to see that like that. But I think it's it's
Speaker 2: really well told and it's something I didn't know. I
Speaker 2: didn't know that was going on because it makes that
Speaker 2: makes no sense to do that. Why would you do that?
Speaker 4: So how can you trust any government agency, local, federal,
Speaker 4: How can you trust any any office If that's the
Speaker 4: kind of stuff happening.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be legally allowed
Speaker 2: to do something like that. But I'm really happy just
Speaker 2: got nominated. So it's out there and I was able
Speaker 2: to catch it. So if anyone out there wants to
Speaker 2: go sar, I don't know how you can go find it.
Speaker 2: I saw it in the theaters, but I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: ways of streatment out there. So a Leen is the.
Speaker 1: I'm the worst sister in America because my little brother
Speaker 1: makes short films and he has one premiering tonight and
Speaker 1: I forgot to boost.
Speaker 3: Wow on social now was something.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: The thing with short films is they are like and
Speaker 1: I Chris, I'm so glad that you supported too, because
Speaker 1: theaters will do these short fests, these like film festivals
Speaker 1: where it's just short films. That's the only it's literally
Speaker 1: the only way that their art gets seen. And I
Speaker 1: was asking his girlfriend. You know, she's also a producer
Speaker 1: and makes films and she has incredible work, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: so what happens when the movie's out, and like if
Speaker 1: does someone buy it? And then she's like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: a streaming platform. There's Quelly TV kW e l I,
Speaker 1: which focuses on underrepresented voices, so they'll buy content from
Speaker 1: creators and then you can watch it on QWLLY. But
Speaker 1: other than that, if it doesn't get an award, or
Speaker 1: it doesn't get shortlisted for these awards, and even then,
Speaker 1: if a streaming network doesn't pick it up or regular network,
Speaker 1: then just kind of like disappears. So they're really just
Speaker 1: more passion projects. Yead. My little brother Alex, he's been
Speaker 1: on the show before, he's going to be on it
Speaker 1: again too, because speaking of income streams, he's a full
Speaker 1: time AI sales director and he does his art, his movie,
Speaker 1: his films on the side. But his film is a
Speaker 1: short film called.
Speaker 4: My God, My God, you are the worst right now,
Speaker 4: the sister everybody needs right here.
Speaker 1: I went to the premiere in New York. I was there, so.
Speaker 2: You should know the name you.
Speaker 1: Four. All I could think about was Atlanta because I
Speaker 1: just was looking at my boyfriend in my head, Brian
Speaker 1: Tare Henry, and he was in Atlanta. Anyway, this is
Speaker 1: like follow follow, Okay. I've never felt more seen by
Speaker 1: a celebrity than when Carrie Washington thought she forgot to
Speaker 1: thank Tyler Perry and her acceptance speech at the NAACP
Speaker 1: Image Awards, and then she ran across the stage to
Speaker 1: take over the mic for the next presenters and said,
Speaker 1: I forgot to thank Tyler Perry. And then the audience
Speaker 1: is like, you did, you did, and She's like, bye, that's.
Speaker 4: So freaking Can we just admire her brilliant talent, beauty.
Speaker 3: I love carry Washing.
Speaker 4: I'm literally like I think I would I have a
Speaker 4: girl crush on Kerry Washington.
Speaker 3: I just I'm just gonna say it all out. I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna say it all out. I love her more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, I mean stunning. She's just so smart. She's
Speaker 1: always been like politically active. She never kind of like
Speaker 1: tried to get that part of herself. She was such
Speaker 1: a Yeah, she was such a force during the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four election. And for her to also have made
Speaker 1: this movie six Triple eight, y'all know, I'm not good
Speaker 1: with titles.
Speaker 3: She's well, is that you are?
Speaker 1: Now? So why am I wielding a colored pencil?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I will say unlike Mandy, I
Speaker 2: got I got the information for you about these films.
Speaker 2: So you can watch Alien on Vimeo and they posted
Speaker 2: it up there on Vimeo, and the Anuja is on Netflix.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'm definitely gonna check those bolt outs.
Speaker 1: And my brother's film Thomasville, you can watch if it
Speaker 1: comes to a theater in your you which it. It's
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. It was in Atlanta two days ago, so
Speaker 1: you missed it. But his production company is called Pineapple Cut.
Speaker 1: So if you google them and you go to their website,
Speaker 1: you can get on their list and they'll let you
Speaker 1: know when their other films are going to be premiering
Speaker 1: in these different short festivals, and please support your local
Speaker 1: short fest because these filmmakers are just like truly artists
Speaker 1: and they are putting out their work and it's very inspiring.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of him. We come a long way
Speaker 1: since editing each other's Harry Potter fanfiction.
Speaker 3: Say that you know, Wow, it's super short. It's under
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. Okay, I just looked it up. I'm totally gonna.
Speaker 1: Bookmark this alien or what was it? No, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Thomas or Thomasville. Oh okay, yeah, he wrote it,
Speaker 1: directed it.
Speaker 3: Oh look at it director Alex Woodraw.
Speaker 2: You two looks so much alike.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you really do.
Speaker 1: We're both writers. And yeah, I'm just really proud of
Speaker 1: he inspired me. You might see a short film by
Speaker 1: Mandy Woodrif Santos Hey Trick.
Speaker 2: I bet you remember the name.
Speaker 1: He is a better person than me in many ways,
Speaker 1: so he probably won't. But yeah, I love my brother.
Speaker 1: It's also his birthday, Happy birthday. How do I get
Speaker 1: the balloons to come up again?
Speaker 3: You gotta do something with your hands.
Speaker 1: I don't know what.
Speaker 4: Yeah that you did it like by mistake and then
Speaker 4: when you were to happen, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Is this uh okay? B A fam? All right, well
Speaker 1: that is the show. Thank you to Chris and y'a
Speaker 1: Nelly for joining me at the Brown Table. BA Fam,
Speaker 1: Stay strong, stay hopeful, choose optimism every day. We love y'all,
Speaker 1: See you next time.