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Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sororiti Life with

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Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia Judice.

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Speaker 2: Daisy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush.

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Speaker 1: I am Gia Judace, and today I am sitting down

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Speaker 1: with former sorority presidents. These women have seen it all

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Speaker 1: and definitely know where the bodies are buried, and who

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Speaker 1: knows if they didn't start up a little chaos themselves,

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Speaker 1: You're about to find out here in this episode of

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Speaker 1: Dirty Rush. Before we get into our callers for today's episode,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit about Rutgers and

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Speaker 1: what I remember in our former presidents. I was in

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Speaker 1: Zeta Tau Alpha, and I remember rushing my freshman year

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Speaker 1: and just thinking my president was so pretty, so perfect,

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Speaker 1: she had it all together, and she really did like

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Speaker 1: she was definitely someone that the sorority sisters did look

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Speaker 1: up to. Then throughout the former years. Obviously she graduated

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Speaker 1: that year when I joined Zeta, but throughout the years,

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Speaker 1: it just seemed obviously like a lot of work and

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Speaker 1: It just really seemed like there was a lot on

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Speaker 1: their plate. So then throughout the years of being in

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Speaker 1: I kind of saw what these girls in my sorority

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Speaker 1: a little more, especially when it came to nationals. So

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Speaker 1: they definitely had lots of responsibilities, a lot on their plate,

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Speaker 1: but they always seemed to have it all together. Besides,

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Speaker 1: And typically when that happened, it was stupid miscellaneous things

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Speaker 1: or something silly like that. It was nothing detrimental, thank god,

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Speaker 1: But I felt like behind the scenes and just seeing

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Speaker 1: things that we didn't know, Like I stated, with nationals,

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Speaker 1: the finances of the sorority and what we needed to

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Speaker 1: basically fund our sorority. So that's why living in the

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Speaker 1: going to get into our first caller. This is a

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Speaker 1: former president and she is going to remain completely anonymous. Hey,

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Speaker 1: welcome to Dirty Rush.

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Speaker 3: Hi, thanks for having me. So, Yeah, I was president

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Speaker 3: of my sorority. I I'm not going to say the

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Speaker 3: because it's still something that's very important to me. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: I but I can say that my sorority was a

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Speaker 3: really had a really large presence on our campus. We

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Speaker 3: about two hundred members of our chapter, and it was

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Speaker 3: it had very specific guidelines that you had to adhere to.

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Speaker 3: We were big on reputation, and the advisors had a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could only imagine. So what made you want

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I think my experience is a little bit unique

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Speaker 3: but I didn't think it would happen. Basically every other

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Speaker 3: presidents were typically president you know, second half of their

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Speaker 1: So it would go like spring into fall, yes, spring

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Speaker 3: No, no, because our spring, because our recruitment was in

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Speaker 1: It started before oh okay, stars was in the spring.

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Speaker 3: Recruitment happened at the beginning of every academic year.

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Speaker 3: Yes exactly. So like we recruited every year at the

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Speaker 3: like people were like, who is this girl? But basically

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Speaker 3: I kind of clicked it because you know when you're

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Speaker 3: make it seem like I would want to do everything,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like that I can fit any yeah, requirements that

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I remember, and this is maybe it all

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Speaker 3: And I was like, they asked me to be president.

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Speaker 3: And this was like a huge deal because our chapter

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Speaker 3: part of my college experience. And also our sorority in

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Speaker 3: so like people don't really know this until you're like

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Speaker 3: like it just made the job a little bit harder.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 3: I remember he was like and I was someone who

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Speaker 3: And I remember he was like, I don't think you

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Speaker 3: And I was also like, no, I think I'm up

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Speaker 1: Can do it, yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: I think I don't regret it, Like, but it did

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Speaker 3: and it like I don't think people understand you as

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Speaker 1: So how much power did you actually have?

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Speaker 3: You have, like you have all the power, yeah, beyond

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Speaker 3: just like you can make any rules or any decisions

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Speaker 1: Old dealing with everything basically running your entire chapter.

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Speaker 3: And a chapter is like it's at the end of

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Speaker 3: have like four to five events a week that I had,

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Speaker 3: and I was required to attend every single one of them. Wow,

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Speaker 1: With me, But you really weren't required to go to

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Speaker 3: And our freshmen and softwares were so cool that like

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Speaker 3: I also lived in the house with them.

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Speaker 1: That's right, because as a president, you're required to live

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Speaker 3: Yes, you're required. And all my friends were like living

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Speaker 3: that is kind of just a brief overview. So it's

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Speaker 3: a little bit like, while I'm so grateful for that

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Speaker 1: Seem it's really great, Oh my gosh, like.

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Speaker 3: You did that. That's wild, like and everyone knows like

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Speaker 3: it's a lot of just like thankless work and you're

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Speaker 3: not only it's like you're running like a business, but

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Speaker 3: and that can get a little dicey.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you were. I mean, you seem amazing, but

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you were so loved, Like did everyone in

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't know that I was ever. I also

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Speaker 1: Like okay, but I feel like every president breaks that rule.

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Speaker 3: And I just was exposed to so many bodily fluids.

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Speaker 3: And she's and it's just so awkward because she's sitting

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Speaker 1: Like a very crappy position to put you in, because

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Speaker 3: And that's like where I would get and my friends

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. And I'm like no, because I can't do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like please stop doing this.

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Speaker 3: To make matters worse, she starts like looking like she's

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Speaker 1: Night, yeah, like, this is what happened.

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Speaker 3: And so you like there's moments like that where you're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that you know, also hearing these stories and

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I would just say, like rule THEMB if

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Speaker 3: know everything because we're like it's all like confidential, but

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Speaker 3: we know everything from what your GPA is to to

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Speaker 3: if you're on social probate, like if you can't pay

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Speaker 1: Everything's very connected. Everyone knows everything. And don't think your

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming on to Dirty

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Speaker 1: Rush and thank you for sharing your stories.

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Speaker 5: You got it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hey guys, and we have our second caller here,

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Speaker 1: former president of a sorority. Hi, how are you? And

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Speaker 1: welcome to Dirty Rush.

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Speaker 2: Thank you excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: So take me back. What made you want to become

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Speaker 2: I feel really lucky.

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Speaker 5: It was kind of like a great opportunity for me,

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Speaker 5: and I loved the house and wanted to give back,

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Speaker 5: and I had other roles in the sorority. And it's

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Speaker 5: usually the junior year that junior into your senior year.

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Speaker 5: It was like spring of your junior year into your

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Speaker 5: was and some of the other juniors were abroad, and

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Speaker 5: I had been involved in other roles in the sorority,

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Speaker 5: and I thought I would try the try for it,

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Speaker 5: I did it.

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Speaker 2: Overall, I'm glad I did. It was definitely hard at

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Speaker 5: There were a lot of things I didn't think about

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Speaker 1: What were some things that you didn't think about?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, because the problem not the problem.

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Speaker 5: You have to uphold all the rules and regulations of

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Speaker 5: of situations because it was like some of my best friends.

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Speaker 2: Quote unquote breaking the rules.

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Speaker 5: Like one of the rules was that at my sorority

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Speaker 5: we all lived in the house. All the girls had

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Speaker 5: would sneak him upstairs to her room, which is like

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00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 5: a total no no.

442
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: And then so she got called.

443
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 5: To standards what standards for it, which was our Sunday

444
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 5: meeting where girls.

445
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 2: Would get in trouble, And it was just so hard.

446
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 5: When it's somebody like you love and trust and I

447
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 5: know she wasn't doing like maliciously or you know, anything.

448
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: And then you have to be present for those meetings,

449
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: but you have.

450
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 5: To be like president first, and like you there's a

451
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 5: side of you that just wants to turn a blind eye,

452
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 5: right and just pretend none of it's happening. So so

453
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 5: there was definitely situations like that.

454
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a caller before this and she kind

455
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: of dealt with the same things. But you know, I'm

456
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: sure you had this conversation with your friends as well.

457
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: But they do have to understand that this is now

458
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: your role in the sorority, so that they understand the

459
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: risks that they're taking and hopefully that didn't affect your friendships,

460
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: but they also, you know, had to respect what you

461
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: were doing for the sorority that you and all of

462
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: your friends were in, and they shouldn't have you know,

463
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: they shouldn't have wanted to put you in that situation.

464
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: Although something like that, we know that that happens countless

465
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: times and already houses where the girls are sneaking guys in,

466
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: and it's just what it is, and it happens, I

467
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: think in almost every single sorority, if you know, no

468
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: one wants to admit to it, it does. And that's

469
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: a silly thing. And I'm sure, especially because she was

470
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: in a study relationship, she was like, Okay, will never

471
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: happen again, right right.

472
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 5: I think what I learned about myself is I'm a

473
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 5: person who doesn't like conflict.

474
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: Like I don't like conflict with my friends.

475
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 5: I don't like so I just like, you know, it's

476
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 5: so hard when you're like, all of a sudden, you're

477
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 5: in this role where you're like, you're my best friend

478
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 5: and I totally understand why you're doing it, and I

479
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 5: don't think it's that wrong, but yet I have to

480
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 5: hold up this role or like you know, girls with

481
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 5: like pre party in their rooms or like smoke a

482
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 5: cigarette off their balcony or whatever, and you're just like

483
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 5: and I found with myself that you know, like it's hard,

484
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 5: like you almost want to just turn a blind eye

485
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 5: versus deal like go face to face with the person

486
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 5: or the conflict, because I just I try to avoid.

487
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: The conflict at all.

488
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 5: So I really did learn that about myself that I

489
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 5: try and avoid conflict.

490
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: At your peak, how much power did you actually have?

491
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 2: You know?

492
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 5: I would say That's what like is really interesting, is

493
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 5: like it was really the VP of standards what we

494
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 5: call that kind of had like more power as far.

495
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: It was not a super like powerful position.

496
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 5: I wasn't making decisions without multiple people and a lot

497
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 5: of conversations, so it was not And it had a

498
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 5: very active alumni board. So there were a lot of

499
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 5: women who were you know, had graduated and were in

500
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 5: careers or much older, and they had a lot of like,

501
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 5: thank goodness, like a lot of knowledge. And I find

502
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 5: in retrospect, I think the thing that so many of

503
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 5: us don't realize is like here you are, you're young,

504
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 5: and you're like in charge of this house, and like

505
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 5: did I really like finances and safety? And like you're

506
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 5: so naive as a college student, like you're not thinking

507
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 5: about like long term consequences, like you know, like what

508
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 5: if something happened and there wasn't consent with that boy

509
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 5: in the room or like there's so many things that

510
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 5: could have happened, and the liability that the house takes

511
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 5: by having all these girls there living.

512
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: There one hundred percent. What's something people think a sorority

513
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: president does versus what you were actually doing day to day.

514
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 5: I think that to your point, Like you you think

515
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 5: a president like has so much power, and I think

516
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 5: that that was definitely not true. I think there was

517
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 5: a lot more like silly kind of meetings, like so

518
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 5: many meetings that people don't tell you about, the kind

519
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 5: of you know, the philanthropy were all, I mean, not

520
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 5: the philanthropy side. But then then all the sorority and

521
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 5: fraternity presidents would meet on the campus, So there was that,

522
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 5: and then there was the alumni meetings, and then it

523
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 5: ended up being a lot more time and a lot

524
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 5: more coordination of lots of different areas than I thought,

525
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 5: and then lots of little like wonderful surprises, like you know,

526
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 5: like the initiation where the public speaking, where you're initiating

527
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 5: the girls, Like I did become a better public speaker

528
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 5: I think because of it. But the initiation was like

529
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: ended up being so special to be a part of

530
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 5: that and do that for girls and share that with

531
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 5: so many women, so that was like a secret surprise too.

532
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Do you feel like the role of being a president

533
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: of a sorority has changed over time and maybe become

534
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: more serious or maybe a little more of a handful.

535
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: You know, I think everything. I think the hardest thing

536
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: for this whole.

537
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 5: Generation right now is I believe you don't grow unless

538
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 5: you make mistass and we're all going to make mistakes.

539
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 5: And I think the hardest thing right now for this

540
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 5: whole generation of college kids and high school kids is

541
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 5: that everything is on video and photographed and you're not

542
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 5: almost not allowed to make mistakes because it will be captured.

543
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 5: So so I think that is probably like the hardest

544
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 5: thing that I did not have. Like things definitely happened,

545
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 5: but it could be more of a he said, she said,

546
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 5: And now it's like, oh, you did sneak your boyfriend

547
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 5: in here, look here, it is on the video.

548
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: Camera type thing.

549
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 5: Or you were drinking or you were smoking or whatever

550
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 5: it may be. Like everything is captured now, and I

551
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 5: think that's really hard for kids because you are going

552
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 5: to make mistakes and that's the only way to learn.

553
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: I think one hundred percent. And it is true because

554
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: now the houses have cameras, and I'm sure that wasn't

555
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: you know. I'm sure they didn't have cameras when you

556
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: were president. And it's just things do really change where

557
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: you are. All of your moments are captured and there

558
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: really is no going around it. But you're right, because

559
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: you do have to make those mistakes to then learn

560
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: become a better person and not do it again. And

561
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: that's why I feel like sometimes people it's so hard

562
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: to sometimes almost learn from I don't know if this

563
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: is necessarily true, but it's hard because like when you're

564
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: caught red handed and there's proof and you can't get

565
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: around it, it's a lot more intimidating than just you know,

566
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: being confronted on it, like addressing the issue and learning

567
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: from it. So I guess it goes both ways. You know,

568
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: you want to have the proof, but then it's also

569
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: super intimidating, especially while you're being addressed by a group

570
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: of girls in your sorority, and it obviously is an

571
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: embarrassing feeling.

572
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 2: Very embarrassing and very shameful. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

573
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 5: And I also don't like reputation for me, like we

574
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 5: all want to be, like I wanted to be, like

575
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 5: fun you know, funds ERAa, not like the one who's

576
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 5: like uptight and.

577
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly do you feel like you were feared loved

578
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: or a mix of both?

579
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: As I think it was a mix of both.

580
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 5: And I think I was trying really hard to still

581
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 5: be like the fun person I was and the laughter

582
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 5: and all of that. And I think that's where I

583
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 5: really struggled, is how do you uphold these standards in

584
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 5: these rules and still have like, you know, still have

585
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 5: the people feel like they can come to you and

586
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 5: tell tell you their problems or their issues because we're all.

587
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: Going to have them, like there's no way around it.

588
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 5: So so yeah, I think I really struggled trying to

589
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 5: toggle those two. And that's what I really didn't like

590
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 5: about being president is that like, I don't you know,

591
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 5: like me and every teenager will say, like rules may

592
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 5: be meant to be broken, and I don't think they're

593
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 5: meant to be broken, but like they will be broken.

594
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to want like the discipline.

595
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: I didn't like that role of like class, and that's inevitable,

596
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: especially in a sorority house where you're dealing with, you know,

597
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: everybody in your chapter. It's hard to contain everybody.

598
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, definitely, definitely.

599
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: Did you ever have to cover something up for the

600
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: sake of the chapter?

601
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 5: I did not, thank goodness, because that would have been

602
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 5: a really tricky snism.

603
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: Thank God. What's the messiest situation you had to deal

604
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: with as president?

605
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 5: There was a situation where some girls felt like the

606
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 5: freshman class or the incoming class to be quote unquote

607
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 5: like you know, haze not hayes is the wrong word,

608
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 5: like you know, and kind of like you're new, we

609
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 5: need to show you what it means to be in

610
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 5: this house, and you need to show respect to the olders.

611
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 5: And so that was kind of tricky because I was

612
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: I was older and friends with the olders. Yet these

613
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 5: are like these you know, sweet young girls who looked

614
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 5: up to me and trusted me, and so again it

615
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 5: was toggling that situation again where you're.

616
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: Just like, I hate being caught in the middle of this.

617
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 5: I hated the standards meetings where we had to call

618
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 5: people in and tell them what they did wrong, Like

619
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 5: it's just like I think I felt the shame that

620
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 5: they were feeling. And so, so yeah, there were a

621
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 5: lot of situations where it was very tricky and very messy,

622
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 5: and we did have a situation like you know, even

623
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 5: just in the house, like where somebody took a bag

624
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 5: of who and like threw it at our front door,

625
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 5: and so then we had to get the campus involved,

626
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 5: and it just and the like house mom and like

627
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 5: it just became more and more. I loved more the

628
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 5: like little situations where it was like girls had broken

629
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 5: into the kitchen to get food at night, when those

630
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 5: are the things I preferred versus these like bigger issues.

631
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, did you ever personally do something you probably

632
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't have as president?

633
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, I definitely did.

634
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 5: And that's why I think when it was like senior Spring,

635
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm so.

636
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: Glad to not have this.

637
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 5: But I felt like even after I was done being president,

638
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 5: like the alumni council who kind of like oversees the house,

639
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 5: we're always looking at like you're on this like platform

640
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 5: and it's expected you're going to never break the rules

641
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 5: and never.

642
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: Not do the you know, certain things.

643
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 5: So but it was definitely relieve to like not be

644
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 5: president anymore and hand it off to somebody else. And

645
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 5: it's interesting though, like I think it's all personality because

646
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 5: the girl who was the VP of Standards and really

647
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 5: in charge of it. She loved it, like she loved

648
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 5: it was she really enjoyed the standard. She really enjoyed

649
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 5: getting to the bottom of why this girl smacked the

650
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 5: boy in or why this girl did that, or like

651
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 5: she and so I kind of.

652
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: Maybe she was going to be a lawyer.

653
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. She didn't mind the conflict, yeah at all.

654
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming on to Dirty

655
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: Rush and sharing your experience as president. I hope you

656
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: have an amazing day.

657
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 6: Thanks for sharing your story.

658
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, and we are going to get into our

659
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: last caller. She is actually not a former president of

660
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: her sorority, but she is going to give the ins

661
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Speaker 1: and outs of what her experience has been like watching

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Speaker 1: her president guide her sorority.

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Speaker 6: Hey, how are you good?

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Speaker 4: Hi?

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Speaker 1: So you are currently in college right now?

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Speaker 4: Yes, okay, yeah, I'm kind of You can consider me

667
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 4: a spokesperson, I guess for my past president. She you know,

668
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 4: she had an interesting time as president, and I think

669
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 4: a lot of it feels a little bit too close

670
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 4: to home to want to talk about. I think there's

671
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 4: definitely a sad to being president that once you finish

672
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 4: your term, you kind of leave things in the past,

673
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 4: and when I asked her she wanted to come and

674
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: chat about it. It was a hard no. So yeah,

675
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 4: I'm taking some of her stories and she's given me

676
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 4: the liberty to share it with everyone. But it's yeah,

677
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 4: it was an interesting time for her, so.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean share whatever she was comfortable with.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I guess the first story I would share. Unfortunately,

680
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 4: in my storty there is a bit of a lack

681
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 4: of a better term, drug scene. I feel like that

682
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: is unfortunately quite common in a lot of storties. But

683
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Speaker 4: I think I don't know if it has something to

684
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 4: do with the stress of being in that top executive

685
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: position that makes it feel more accessible or more interesting,

686
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: or maybe it's the crossover with hanging out with frat

687
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 4: guys and other frat presidents. But at least in my

688
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 4: friend's experience when she was president, there was one instance

689
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 4: in which, as many people know, I'm not sure I

690
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 4: assume this is common knowledge, but the chapter room and

691
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 4: a sorority is extremely sacred and it's not a space

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00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 4: that you allow girls, especially not guys, to come into

693
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 4: if they're not in the sorority. It's kind of especially

694
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 4: like left for just the girls in the house. And

695
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: there was one particular instance in which my friend the

696
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 4: president decided to kind of abandon that rule and after

697
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 4: a game day when a lot of her friends had

698
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 4: been drinking. This was kind of a combination of a

699
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 4: game day. But also at my school there's a secret

700
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 4: society for presidents and it involves a lot of drinking.

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00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 4: So I guess she had made the poor judgment of

702
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 4: allowing the chapter door rooms to open and invited a

703
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 4: lot of people into the chapter a party after a

704
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: game day, and one thing led to another obviously involved

705
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 4: a lot of alcohol, but it also involved doing lines

706
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 4: of cocaine off of the yearbooks of our sorority.

707
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: So and obviously it's a game day, it's very hectic.

708
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: People were clearly going in and out of the house

709
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 1: watching her do this. So just like a horrible representation, obviously,

710
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: right president?

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00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: Unfortunately?

712
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: Yes?

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00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 4: And also I think this particular president was absolutely like

714
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 4: perfect at creating a really wonderful image. She was the

715
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: embodiment of what you would look up to as a

716
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 4: role model of a president, and in many ways still

717
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 4: has that same demeanor. But I think after this particular event,

718
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 4: things definitely changed and shifted in the house. I think

719
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 4: it kind of created this you know, uncertainty of like

720
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 4: what does it look like to be in leadership and

721
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Speaker 4: a sorority and why is our president kind of a

722
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 4: ending all the social norms and rules of like being

723
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 4: in a sorority and opening it up to just the

724
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 4: absolute chaos of not only making day.

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00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: Because then she had to continue to be president.

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00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 4: Chapter on Monday.

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00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: That that was.

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00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, So that was a crazy one. Another one

729
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 4: that I find particularly hilarious just because one of my

730
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: best friends was also a part of it, So it's

731
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: just like something I hear and think about all the time.

732
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 4: But basically there was another instance, unfortunately, it had to

733
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 4: do with drugs, where the president and a couple for

734
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 4: friends decided that living in a sorority house. I think

735
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: it was a weekday was the perfect time to try

736
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 4: and trip on shrooms. So it was this whole elaborate plan.

737
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 4: It involved going to this psychedelic church, picking up shrooms,

738
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 4: like doing the whole thing, coming back to the sorority house,

739
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 4: and in order to kind of make sure that the

740
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 4: coast was clear and that this was a safe space

741
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 4: to do it, they put a sign on the door

742
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Speaker 4: that said, in an interview, please do not knock.

743
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Speaker 1: And was it the chapter room again.

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00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 4: It was it was actually the presidential suite, so it

745
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 4: was her. It was her bedroom, but I had a

746
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 4: printed sign that said in an interview from like, I

747
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,720
Speaker 4: think it was like twelve to two, do not knock.

748
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 4: Except the girls did not realize that they completely miscalculated

749
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Speaker 4: the dose of what they took, and what they were

750
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Speaker 4: assuming would be like a two to three hour experience

751
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 4: ended up being twelve hours.

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Speaker 1: Wait, and they did this in the middle of the afternoon.

753
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Speaker 4: It was literally daylight. I think it was like two am.

754
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Speaker 1: Why not at night.

755
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 4: So that's I think what they had in from what

756
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: I've heard from them when they talk about it, is

757
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 4: that they were thinking they would do it like let

758
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 4: the experience unfold and then go on like a nature hike.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I've yeah, I mean, and I have never done

760
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: that before, but I've heard like, you want to be

761
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: outside and like look at the sky and yeah, YadA YadA.

762
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: Apparently things look cool.

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00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was a beautiful day. I think they

764
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 4: were like, oh, perfect, Like we'll go on a hike,

765
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 4: We'll be in the sunshine, we'll go like lay on

766
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 4: the grass.

767
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: Going on a hike on trooms like actually sounds like

768
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Speaker 1: a hard.

769
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Speaker 4: No, I can't, I can't even I can't really imagine

770
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 4: like what their thought process was and why they decided

771
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 4: to do that. But it didn't end up being a

772
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 4: three hour experience. It ended up being twelve hours. That

773
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 4: sign never left the door, no one ever knocked, and

774
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 4: it actually involved them like laying on the floor. I'm

775
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 4: pretty sure one of them peed the bed. Oh, they

776
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 4: like drew self portraits of each It was just this

777
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 4: whole thing. But it kind of ended up just being

778
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 4: this funny thing because in my in my sorority, we

779
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 4: have something where like the seniors and the sophomores try

780
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 4: and have like bonding nights where they kind of merged

781
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 4: the classes and merged the PC and this was one

782
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 4: of those instances in which they told the story as

783
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 4: like two truths and a lie, and no one none

784
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 4: of the sophomores guessed that it was real because the

785
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: way that the whole elaborate side of like it was

786
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 4: twelve hours, it was during the day. I'm pretty sure

787
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: it was like a Thursday.

788
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Speaker 1: It was like absolutely not real. No, there's no way,

789
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 1: that's so funny. Okay, that's hilarious. I mean as much

790
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: as your president, as you described, seem to totally want

791
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: to keep it together and have this like pristine reputation,

792
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: obviously things might have been skewed a little bit. But overall,

793
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: I think that's the hard thing about presidency and being

794
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: in a sorority that you really do have to maintain

795
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: this image and follow the rules and try to be

796
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: so perfect all the time. And sometimes when you're trying

797
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: too hard to represent that image and really set this example,

798
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: it does cause you to maybe mess up or make

799
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: some mistakes. And at the end of the day, like

800
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: the President's like they're around the same age as you,

801
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: they're going through the same experience as you. They're still

802
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: going through college, trying to live their life, and it's

803
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: you know, presidents make mistakes as well as much as

804
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: members of the sorority. So yeah, thank you for coming

805
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: on on behalf of your former president.

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00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: Of course, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, and that is it for this episode

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