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Speaker 1: pathcaremed dot com. But first to Alexis trez Chuck Crime

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Speaker 1: on information, we have received crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: How in the hey did the shooter of this twenty

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Speaker 1: six year old grad student just engaged worked his whole

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Speaker 1: life to get into Yale grad school. How has the

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Speaker 1: shooter slipped away? That's the big question. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our cut twenty two. This is Erica Arius Fox

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Speaker 1: sixty one. US Marshals have now secured an international warrant

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Speaker 1: for the man wanted from the death of a Yale

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Speaker 1: grad student, Kevin Jang was killed two months ago, back

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Speaker 1: on February of six and now that we know, US

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Speaker 1: marshals have secured an Interpol red notice for this man here,

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00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: twenty nine year old Chin Shuan Pond. Now he initially

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00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: was just a person of interest in the case, but

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00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: he is now a suspect and we're told he will

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Speaker 1: be charged with murder once he's tracked down. It's unclear

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Speaker 1: if investigators are sure he's out of the country or

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Speaker 1: where he may be heading. He is from China. Potter

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00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: was last seen less than a week after Jung's death

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Speaker 1: in Georgia. So he makes it out of the Yale

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Speaker 1: University campus area. He makes it all the way to

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Speaker 1: Atlanta without being detected, and now God only knows where,

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Speaker 1: so IRV. Brandt, former US Marshall Service International investigations, how

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Speaker 1: the hey did he get out of the area and

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Speaker 1: make it all the way to Atlanta. The Marshall Service

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Speaker 1: was obviously tracking him, and they had him information that

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Speaker 1: he was in Brookhaven, which is metro Atlanta at the

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Speaker 1: Cobb County. I know this because I began my law

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Speaker 1: enforcement career as an Atlanta police officer, so I'm familiar

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Speaker 1: with Brookhaven, Fulton County, near the swanky shopping area of

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Speaker 1: Lenox and Phipps Plaza where a lot of rich people

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Speaker 1: live there. It's about a thirty minute drive to the airport.

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Speaker 1: You can get there by a Marta train. All he

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Speaker 1: had to do was get to Atlanta with a fake

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Speaker 1: ID and hop on a train to Hartsville International and

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Speaker 1: he's gone. Doesn't even need a fake ID. I mean

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Speaker 1: he can have the passport in his in his own name.

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Speaker 1: They don't check you outbound. They only run you when

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Speaker 1: you come into the country, not when you're leaving the country.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. So he could have left for

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the world. That's why the Marshall Service issued

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Speaker 1: a red notice through Interpol. It'll go out all ninety

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Speaker 1: four member countries. Well why wasn't it flagged at the airport?

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Speaker 1: I mean he didn't vote to China. He had to

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Speaker 1: get out on a plane. Well, I mean, why do

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Speaker 1: I get shit everything but a cavity search. And with

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Speaker 1: my eighty nine year old mother, they check her out

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00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: like she's an international terrorist in a wheelchair. But this

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00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,959
Speaker 1: guy wanted by Interpol gets through and gets on a plane.

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Speaker 1: That's because when when they check you, they don't run.

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Speaker 1: They don't run you through NCIC for warrants when you're

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Speaker 1: leaving the country. They only do that. They run the

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Speaker 1: manifest when a plane is coming from outside of the

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Speaker 1: country into our country. And that's when they run everyone

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Speaker 1: on the manifest through CHEXS and NCIIC to see if

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Speaker 1: they're legally entering the country, if they're wanted for any

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Speaker 1: crimes in this country or outside of this country. But

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Speaker 1: when you leave this country, they don't do that. You

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Speaker 1: could you could have multiple murder warrants from multiple states,

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Speaker 1: and if you go to the Delta counter Delta does

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Speaker 1: not on you. NCIC, it would not know that you

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Speaker 1: were one of for murder when you got on that plane.

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Speaker 1: You know, when I'm talking to our guests, particularly or

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Speaker 1: Brandt from a US Marshall's Service International Investigations, it sounds

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Speaker 1: I think of Jason Bourne, I think of Mission Impossible,

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Speaker 1: all the spy maties. Yeah, it's not like that at all.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty His getaway was pretty amateur. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how this guy pulled it off. Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our cut eighteen. Tony Turzy Fox sixty one, Georgia safely

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Speaker 1: said the US Marshalls some interview family members. They were

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Speaker 1: traveler Norris means Massachusetts. He says one family member was cooperative,

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Speaker 1: but the other wasn't and neither would say where pond was.

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Speaker 1: We had numerous boots on the ground, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we're looking forward to apprehended mister Mannon sourcers Old Fox

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Speaker 1: sixty one pawn returned to his Malden, Massachusetts home, after

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Speaker 1: leaving Connecticut late Saturday and picked up his mother and

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Speaker 1: father with all three high tailing it. That's not a

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Speaker 1: sophisticated getaway. You go back home, you leave one state,

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Speaker 1: go to the other and pick up your mother and

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Speaker 1: father and quote high tallet. How can a grown man

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Speaker 1: with his elderly mother and father high tilt anywhere. It

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Speaker 1: takes me twenty minutes to get my mom in the

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Speaker 1: car to go to the grocery store. So how does

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Speaker 1: that happen? I don't get it, ear of Brandt. I'm

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Speaker 1: not coming out down on you. You're just the messenger

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Speaker 1: US Marshal Service International Investigations. We got a guy, a

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Speaker 1: killer with his elderly mother and father who quote high

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Speaker 1: tail it and drive I guess down to Atlanta to

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Speaker 1: hop a plane. How did I mean? This is no big,

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Speaker 1: big country, lots of cars. Atlanta Hartsfield International is a

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00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: huge airport, lots of counters, thousands of international flights. A

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00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: neetle in a haystack unless you have specific information, Unless

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Speaker 1: you develop specific information that this person is going to

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Speaker 1: get on American Airlines flight seven h seven for a

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Speaker 1: destination or something like that. But to be working on

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Speaker 1: just vague information. You know this direction, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: heading and you know down High seventy five or eighty

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Speaker 1: five in the direction of Atlanta. Could have stopped anywhere

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Speaker 1: in between, could have used any airports in between, don't

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Speaker 1: have to be Atlanta. Hartsfield. Could have kept going to Jacksonville,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe took the flight out of Jacksonville. No way,

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Speaker 1: no way to know unless you've had some kind of

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Speaker 1: information from a witness or maybe a family member or

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00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: an associated telling you you know, this is what he plans. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what, doctor Jorry crows In police psychologist. I'm

534
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: giving a law enforcement a hard time. But or Brandt

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00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: with US Marshall Service, Former International Investigations is right. How

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00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: do you how does the US marshal or cop go

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00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: out on the interstate and figure out where this guy is.

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00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: He's not in his own vehicle. We know that, we

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00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: don't know what vehicles he is in. And if you

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00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: see him acting old, mild mannered with his elderly mother

541
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Speaker 1: and father in the car, that's it sounds more like

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00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: the Apple Dumpling Gang than anything else. So well, our

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00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 1: brand is actually right. Yeah, and I see him really

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Speaker 1: being highly organized. I mean it looks like there were

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Speaker 1: maybe a lot of lucky opportunities he took advantage of.

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00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: But you know, the simple fact that he maintained composure

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Speaker 1: when being you know, interviewed with that car accident on

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Speaker 1: a railroad tracks, you know, and then his ability to

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00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: you know, dump that phone. I don't think he's got

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00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: his phone because they're going to be doing a geo

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00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: fencing of that whole area. Uh so, you know, they're

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00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: not going to track him electronically, and he's basically hiding

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00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: in plain sight because like you know, Brand was saying that,

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00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: you know, there's thousands of people that go through there,

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Speaker 1: and if they were to start checking everyone, you could imagine, Hey,

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Speaker 1: that would cause yeah, you're right, You're right, don't have

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Speaker 1: the ability. They're not authorized under law to access the

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Speaker 1: NCIC system. You know what, You're absolutely right. I am

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Speaker 1: agreeing that you, doctor Jerry Crawsen and R. Brand are correct.

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00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: So Tim gall doctor Tim Gallagher, Medical exam for the

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Speaker 1: State of Florida. If by chance, this guy quin Jam

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Speaker 1: Pawn had been injured in the altercation, I wonder if

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Speaker 1: that would have stopped anyone along the way, for instance,

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Speaker 1: at the airport. I guess not it have to be

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00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: a severe injury. Oh, certainly would raise suspicion. You know,

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Speaker 1: if he was pulled over and a officer noticed that

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00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: he was bleeding, or he was leading, or there was

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00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: another trail of blood leaving leaving the incident, that would

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Speaker 1: certainly be able to be collected his DNA process and

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00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: that used to help support the argument in the court

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Speaker 1: if he has ever brought to justice. We now believe

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00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: Alexis terresta at crime online dot Com that he has

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Speaker 1: fled the country. Why because the US Marshals have asked interpoll,

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Speaker 1: which is an international police organization, to issue a warrant

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Speaker 1: for his arrest. They weren't all at as as mister

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00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: Brandt said that they want to put an alert out

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Speaker 1: to all one hundred and ninety four member country to

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00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: let them know to look for this man if they

579
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: see him, if he is in an airport, if he

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00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: is somewhere, if he is arrested for a minor infraction somewhere,

581
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Speaker 1: to know that he is wanted by the United States,

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Speaker 1: by the US Marshals, and that they should arrest him

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Speaker 1: on the spot. They will work out extradition or anything

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00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: else afterwards. But to know that he is a dangerous criminal,

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Speaker 1: he suspected of murder, and that they should be careful

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Speaker 1: but arrest him immediately if they find him. He is,

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00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: And so I hold it right there when the patch

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00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: it You really think China is going to help us.

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00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. Well, you know, one of

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00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: the one of the things about this bulletin is that

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Speaker 1: people are warned not to try to apprehend them themselves

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Speaker 1: because he's considered armed and dangerous. So we really hope

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Speaker 1: for the cooperation of the respective law enforced and agencies

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00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: and doing what they need to do, and that people

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00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: keep their eyes and ears open for this man. It's true,

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00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: we don't know, we don't know where he is, but

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00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: we do know that people live with a heightened state

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00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: of awareness. Sadly we all do nowadays. Or doctor joy

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Speaker 1: jumping in, Yeah, one thing I would I'll go out

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00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: on a limb here, but I would be highly suspicious

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Speaker 1: that he would suicide when getting confronted. If he does

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Speaker 1: get confronted at some point in time, I would imagine

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00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: that his culture, his background, everything, I would highly be

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Speaker 1: suspicious that he would take his own life. If you

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Speaker 1: have information, please call two zero three nine four six

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Speaker 1: six two nine six or better yet US Marshals eight

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Speaker 1: seven seven nine two six eight three three two. We

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Speaker 1: wait as justice on false Nancy Grace comes story, signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,