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Speaker 1: Are you ready to witness football fans?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the biggest tailgate party in the nation. Ay,

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Speaker 2: that'd be bro Fox Sports Radios Countdown to Kickoff, presented

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Speaker 2: by Matt.

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Speaker 3: Making Legendary.

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Speaker 2: We're setting you up with the information you need before

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Speaker 2: the big game tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: We're here to break it all down.

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Speaker 5: Yeah good.

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Speaker 4: This is Fox.

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Speaker 2: Sports Radios Countdown to Kickoff, presented by Matt Echa.

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Speaker 3: No, we're live on your tailgame.

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Speaker 2: Here's Brian Nook, former Penn State All American, Rich Hornberger,

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Speaker 2: and FSR betting analyst Jared Smith.

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Speaker 1: Oh what is going on? Welcome in, Happy Saturday, Happy

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Speaker 1: super Boys. Uh huh, let's get after it over here.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, dude, it do a three hour preview

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Speaker 1: today and maybe throw out our predictions at the end.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots are going to win seventeen to thirteen. There

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Speaker 1: you go, Oh wow, you went right to it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so run dive right in.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, No more super Bowl talk

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Speaker 6: rest of the show. Let's talk about.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, plenty of super Bowl talk. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: it's just kind of like, I don't know, like like

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Speaker 1: kind of whining and dining you and getting you ready

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Speaker 1: for the big moment. It was just dive right in.

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Speaker 1: Boom there it is, right. I don't understand all this

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Speaker 1: Patriots negativity, this criticism, this disbelief over here, as if

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Speaker 1: you can't just luck your way into winning sixteen of

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Speaker 1: seventeen games and getting to the super Bowl. It's such

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Speaker 1: a joke. All the talk that I've heard for the

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Speaker 1: last two weeks about these lucky Patriots, and it's like

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Speaker 1: they've got a really good defense, MVP caliber quarterback, really

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Speaker 1: good head coach. They bring way more to the table

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Speaker 1: than just the luck factor and the schedule factor. It's

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Speaker 1: insanity to me. So I don't know, maybe I've just

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Speaker 1: grown some affection for the Patriots or but I think

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Speaker 1: they are more than live to not just hang in

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Speaker 1: this game, but to win this game. How do you

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Speaker 1: guys see it? If we just dive right it, let's

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Speaker 1: be differently, do a cannonball right into the waters here

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Speaker 1: instead of it's kind of weaving our way up to the

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Speaker 1: big moment.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I don't hate it because I mean,

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Speaker 6: to be perfectly honest with you, I don't think anybody

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Speaker 6: is turning on the program.

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Speaker 4: At kickoff, so to speak.

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Speaker 6: When it comes to a radio show and listening for

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Speaker 6: three straight hours to the three of us, you know,

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Speaker 6: henpeck every single detail of every single game being played.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, whether you're joining us now or you're tuning

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Speaker 6: in for the last fifteen minutes, or you know, the

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Speaker 6: two hours and a half in between, you may or

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Speaker 6: may not catch our super Bowl pick.

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Speaker 4: So we may as well lay it out. I actually think.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be a similar game to you, Brian.

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Speaker 6: I think it'll be close. I think it'll be relatively

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Speaker 6: low scoring. And if I were to call it right now, yeah,

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Speaker 6: something like twenty oh man. Yeah, maybe like there's gonna

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Speaker 6: be a blocked extra point.

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Speaker 7: Or oh oh y you know, or you lot some

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Speaker 7: good ads on that. Yeah, we can get.

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Speaker 5: That.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's gonna be like a block kick somewhere in

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Speaker 6: this game, Like you know what I mean, there's always

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Speaker 6: something in the Super Bowl, you know, like an odd

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Speaker 4: This is gonna give me. Give me. Seattle wins twenty

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Speaker 4: to seventeen.

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Speaker 7: Wow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the final score I gave out on my

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Speaker 6: on my podcast this week, Little Jack final score Seahawks

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Speaker 6: twenty Patriots seventeen.

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Speaker 7: I'm with you, guys.

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Speaker 8: I think it's I mean, we might be the only

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Speaker 8: three people on planet Earth that are thinking New England

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Speaker 8: can hang here. I mean, I heard some reports from

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Speaker 8: that's all like the nash Chan media that you know,

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Speaker 8: don't really go through a lot of the numbers and

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Speaker 8: the and the betting angles like we do, you know,

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Speaker 7: But I heard it was a lot of Seahawks love there.

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Speaker 8: Bet MGM is like sixty five seventy percent Seahawks tickets

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Speaker 8: right now. It's a little different on the money line,

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Speaker 8: right You get some Patriots love on the money line,

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Speaker 8: you know, and they're the underdog. But the the ideal

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Speaker 8: now is a Seahawks win with.

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Speaker 7: A Patriots cover by a field goal, right or two

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Speaker 7: or one. Obviously obviously that's less likely, but there you go.

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Speaker 8: Rich blockfield goal at bet MGM, the yes is plus

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Speaker 4: Okay, what do you think it'll top?

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Speaker 1: Block block field goal? Can it be an ex point

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Speaker 8: It doesn't say extra point and that and that could

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Speaker 8: be that could be your tricky spot. Yeah, but there

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Speaker 8: is a there is a hold on there is is

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Speaker 8: why I love the Super Bowl. There is a market

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Speaker 8: that says the method of the first missed field goal

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Speaker 8: or extra point, and you could get kick blocked for

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Speaker 8: ten to one. You could also get hit the crossbar

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Speaker 1: To one, sixty eight yard attempt or something like that,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, but yeah, I think I agree.

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Speaker 8: I think New England's defenses of all the units, I

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Speaker 8: did a deep dive on this one this week, of

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Speaker 8: all the units on the field, We're talking a lot

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Speaker 8: about Donald right, We're talking a lot about the Seahawks defense,

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Speaker 8: obviously because they're elite. We're talking a lot about Drake

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Speaker 8: May maybe should have won the MVP, maybe should have not.

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Speaker 8: We can get into that later too. We're not talking

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Speaker 8: the indicator that we probably should be because this is

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Speaker 8: a real this is a really good defense, guys, and

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Speaker 8: they have adjusted their tendencies in the playoffs. We talked

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Speaker 8: Drake may out dual Donald?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 8: Can can they make a couple more play? Can they

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. There was this stat earlier in the week

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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, the most popular bet in Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl history. It just blows my mind. And listen, Seattle

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Speaker 1: and they have some clear advantages on paper, but football

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Speaker 1: is not played on paper. Like weird stuff happens all

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Speaker 1: there but not quite. The muffed punt was huge. And

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Speaker 1: so it's like a game like this, it's the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: We talk about it for two weeks and I think

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Speaker 1: people just start looking at how it lays out on paper,

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Speaker 1: are not played on paper, man, it just doesn't work

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Speaker 1: like that. And the last thing I'll say for now

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Speaker 1: play out the exact same way. But again, go back

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Speaker 1: to the last time you saw the Patriots play the

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Speaker 1: AFC title game against Denver, and leading up to that game,

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Speaker 1: he can do everything bo Knicks can do. It's like

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Speaker 1: bo Knicks led the league in passing attempts. Like the

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Speaker 1: It's been full years since the guy took the field.

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Speaker 1: if you've seen Bonnicks and Jared's did him in the

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Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. It made no sense, But make no mistake,

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Speaker 1: it was fueled from this lack of belief in the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where the over the top love

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Speaker 1: but it's fueled by, Oh, we think the Patriots are

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Speaker 1: It's just a matter of how much it's crazy. To me,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a really strong narrative that this is gonna

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Speaker 6: maybe it turns out that way. But my best guess

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Speaker 6: I mean, locks sure, things fail all the time in

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Speaker 6: March Madness and we call it March Madness for exactly

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Speaker 6: that reason, because the one seed Virginia can be toppled

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Speaker 6: by UNBC at sixteen, like it can happen. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you would have told me last year

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Speaker 6: around this time that Bill Belichick's name would be up

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Speaker 6: for a Hall of Fame candidacy, will he be a

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Speaker 6: first ballot Hall of Famer? I would have I would

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Speaker 6: have literally bet my life.

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Speaker 4: Yes. But here we are, you know, I mean.

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Speaker 6: The reality of sports or things related to sports are

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Speaker 4: Occur all the time.

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Speaker 6: So how are we looking at a four and a

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Speaker 6: half point spread and being like nah, no chance, no chance.

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 6: We're talking about we're talking about a little more than

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Speaker 6: half of a touchdown to get your home.

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Speaker 4: Give me a break.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's the The Belichick one is the best

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Speaker 6: one ever that I think if you set odds on that,

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Speaker 6: they wouldn't have even made it.

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Speaker 7: They would be no odds high.

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Speaker 4: If you could make for that.

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Speaker 1: I would just dared. I'd like the picture, you know,

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Speaker 6: And that's why these casinos are very bright, very shiny,

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Speaker 7: They deserve to be favored in the game.

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Speaker 8: To Brian's original point about the schedule, I'm sorry. You

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Speaker 1: And I'll say this, you know, really hats off to

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Speaker 7: Listen, I don't have a dog in the fight in

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Speaker 1: So some ex Patriot players like a Sante, Samuel, Teddy Bruski,

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Speaker 4: This ain't political. Yeah, yeah, it ain't political. What it is? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You could look at it, you can look into that.

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Speaker 1: Especially you former Patriot Tom Brady, I don't have a

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Speaker 6: I think he's doing what he thinks he's supposed to

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Speaker 6: this is gonna elicit strong reactions just like anything you say.

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00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 6: And and Tom Brady or Brady as an owner or

441
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,199
Speaker 6: a partial owner of the Raiders also has to be

442
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Speaker 6: even more careful and even more politically savvy when it

443
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 6: comes to waters like this, because you know, there's treachery ahead.

444
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 6: There's some overlap here that has already been questioned by

445
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 6: other teams and other owners and other coaches. So there's

446
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 6: a lot of different, you know, things that play for

447
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 6: Tom Brady and his new profession being a broadcaster. And

448
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 6: I think he's trying to be as careful as possible

449
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Speaker 6: and not step on any of the landmines.

450
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Speaker 4: I admire his attempt at trying to do.

451
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Speaker 6: What everybody else has done for ages and ages when

452
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 6: they step away from their career and into a broadcast booth,

453
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Speaker 6: it's just going it's just not going to seem legitimate

454
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Speaker 6: when Tom Brady does, because he's regarded Robert Craft as

455
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 6: like a.

456
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 4: Second father, you know.

457
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Speaker 6: So it's very difficult to imagine in that we live

458
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Speaker 6: in a world where Tom Brady's not pulling for the

459
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 6: Patriots as they're taking on the Seattle Seahawks, especially with

460
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 6: Bob Craft still in ownership control of the Patriots.

461
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and correctly if I'm wrong, I don't know this

462
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 8: for sure, but Vince Wolferck has like a big Boston

463
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 8: media job, right, Like he's on the radio.

464
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Speaker 7: I think in Boston, I might be about that.

465
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Speaker 1: I think it's Jermaine Wiggins. He's the guy that yeah.

466
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Speaker 8: Yeah, because I'm just curious, like if that's where these

467
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 8: conversations get a little muddy, is when the guys who

468
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Speaker 8: are working in Boston still like and that's and that's

469
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Speaker 8: a big and take nothing away from that, Like Rich

470
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 8: is doing it right now. He's doing a fantastic job,

471
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 8: played for the Chargers. Now he's working in San Diego media,

472
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 8: so he's his view of everything is obviously going to

473
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Speaker 8: be through this and Diego lents.

474
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Speaker 7: Same thing for Vince Wolf.

475
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 8: If he is working for Boston media, his view of

476
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 8: everything is going to be through.

477
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 7: The Boston lens.

478
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 8: Whereas Tom Brady is at the national level now he

479
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Speaker 8: is calling, he's the number one broadcaster for Fox Sports,

480
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 8: you know, the top analyst, and he is an owner

481
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Speaker 8: of the team.

482
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Speaker 7: So there is a level of not the Patriots but

483
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Speaker 7: the Raiders.

484
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Speaker 8: There's a level of neutrality that comes with that and

485
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Speaker 8: I do respect Tom for going down that road.

486
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Speaker 7: That being said, probably could have used a.

487
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Speaker 8: Better word than no dog in the fight, right, I like,

488
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 8: there's a better way to say it where he's like,

489
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Speaker 8: you know, I don't want to be too much of

490
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Speaker 8: a Patriots homer. I know I have great ties there

491
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Speaker 8: and you know, talk about you know, lead with all

492
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 8: of the great things they've done for your career, and

493
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Speaker 8: then say, you know, I'm doing this gig for Fox

494
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Speaker 8: now and I've got this thing, so I can't really

495
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Speaker 8: give you because we see this all the time on

496
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Speaker 8: college game day, where you know, Kirk who's calling the

497
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Speaker 8: game can't give you a pick, like like, we see

498
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Speaker 8: that all the time. People understand, but there's just a

499
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 8: better way. It's not the message, it's the delivery sometimes.

500
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Speaker 8: And I think at the end of the day, I.

501
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Speaker 6: Actually respect Tom a lot for how much he's improved

502
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Speaker 6: and how much, you know, level of commitment he's.

503
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Speaker 8: Brought to the broadcasting booth. I do listen to these

504
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 8: guys a lot. I think Greg Olson is the best

505
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 8: in the business right now in terms of color commentary,

506
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 8: and there's a huge gap between him and like Tony

507
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 8: Romo when it comes to like adding to the broadcast

508
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 8: during the game, and Tom, you know, started out a

509
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 8: little rougher on the edges. It's not easy to do TV,

510
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 8: not easy to be live on the air and calling

511
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 8: this and being able to react. He has improved dramatically

512
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Speaker 8: as a broadcaster over the last year that he's done this,

513
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 8: and he's very committed to this, and I respect the

514
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Speaker 8: hell out of that because some of these guys, again

515
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 8: like mister Romo, who started out guns of blazing in

516
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 8: the booth, have fallen off dramatically and now basically are

517
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 8: kind of like a sideshow, you know, alongside nance. So

518
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Speaker 8: I think it's an interesting dynamic where Tom's trying to

519
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 8: walk the line Brian, But yeah, probably could.

520
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Speaker 1: Have worded it a little bit better. Yeah, No, I'm

521
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: kind of like that where it's funny. It's just while

522
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: you're saying that, Jared, it popped into my head the

523
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: old Chappelle show skit when keeping it real goes wrong. Yeah,

524
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: like Tom was trying to keep it professional. It's like

525
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: when keeping it grown up goes wrong. Like, normally, when

526
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: you keep it professional, it doesn't go wrong like this,

527
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: but it did for Tom Brady where to rich his point,

528
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: he's just trying to be a grown up, and they're

529
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Speaker 1: probably gonna hire They are gonna hire Clint Kubiak, who

530
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: is the Seahawks offensive coordinator. You know, so if Tom's like,

531
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Speaker 1: go Patriots, oh yeah, I'd be lying to you if

532
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: I said I didn't have a dog in the fight.

533
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: I hope the Patriots win and we'll see if they do.

534
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Speaker 1: Even if he says that, it could make things a

535
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Speaker 1: little awkward a little bit with Clint Kobiak. But I

536
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Speaker 1: just go back to whatever Brady says. He's not gonna

537
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: make a prediction like Gronk. You know, he's not gonna

538
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: like Hulk Hogan his T shirt off and it says

539
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: Patriots on his chest, and you know he like Stone

540
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: colds a couple of beers, go pads, not gonna be paid.

541
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: That's not gonna be Tom Brady now. But if he says, yeah,

542
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: I'm pulling for the Patriots, you think Clint Kubiak is

543
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: gonna take great exception? You think the NFL is gonna

544
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: take great exception? Or Fox like, no one's gonna take

545
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: great exception. So I just think he thought too much

546
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: about this, and when as politically correct as possible, and

547
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: it totally backfired.

548
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Speaker 6: I fully believe what you're saying and what you're saying, Jared,

549
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 6: and I think I think irrationality reigns in fandom and

550
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 6: that's what makes sports so fun. Is it rational to

551
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 6: whip your shirt off in sub zero temperatures and swing

552
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 6: it over your head, screaming from the top of your

553
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 6: lungs when you have strict orders from your doctor that

554
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 6: your blood pressure is a problem.

555
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 4: No, like, no, that's not rational.

556
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 6: But still you'll you'll find people in the dog pound

557
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 6: at Brown's games doing it, you know, during a hopeless season.

558
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Speaker 4: Sometimes because they're fans.

559
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 6: I mean, and look the Patriots, New England, that area

560
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 6: of the country has some of the most avid sports

561
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 6: fans on the planet, the Celtics, the Bruins, the Pats,

562
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 6: I mean, the Socks. When I was living in the

563
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 6: city of Boston playing for the Patriots and commuting down

564
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Speaker 6: to Foxborough, I mean, you really feel it when you're

565
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 6: walking around the city because depending on what point of

566
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 6: the year is, there's this intense part of the season,

567
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 6: the football season, where all three sports are really overlapping

568
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 6: each other, all four sports, and you see a different

569
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 6: jersey on everyone's back. You know, you'll see Larry Bird,

570
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 6: You'll see Ah, you'll see Brady, You'll see you know,

571
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 6: big Poppy, you know, and you're everywhere you look. You're like,

572
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 6: oh my gosh, like everybody. Everybody's in Like this is

573
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 6: a sports town. And so when you have that kind

574
00:27:53,600 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 6: of love and irrational patronage to a tea and the

575
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 6: greatest player who's ever played on any of these teams says,

576
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 6: I don't have a dog in the fight, it's going

577
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 6: to resonate poorly with that crowd. And so I think

578
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 6: I think two things I want. I think one, Brady

579
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 6: probably went a little too polished and professional and political.

580
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 6: And too, I think there's you know, there's always some

581
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 6: money to make and there's always some attention to gain

582
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 6: by shouting down a neutral or a bad opinion. And

583
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 6: we see this all the time in other media too,

584
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 6: but especially in sports. If somebody's going to try to

585
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,239
Speaker 6: remain neutral and it's a hot button issue, you know

586
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 6: that you can grab yourself a headline or two just

587
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 6: by jumping on the side of no, that guy's wrong

588
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 6: and let me tell you why. And so I think

589
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 6: some of the reaction to Tom Brady has been overtly

590
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 6: leaning toward the fans of Boston to curry their faith.

591
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 6: It's not necessarily to say tom Brady's this and tom

592
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 6: Brady's that. It's to say, hey, this is my opportunity

593
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 6: to show my allegiance to the Patriots. So if you

594
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 6: guys ever need somebody to pat your back and tell

595
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 6: you you're all right, it's me. You know, former patriot

596
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 6: dot dot dot insert name here. You know, it's like

597
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 6: that kind of feels what this is in a lot

598
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 6: of cases. But let's be honest, Bob krafts like a

599
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 6: second dad. Mike Rabel's a former teammate and somebody who

600
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 6: he respects and probably loves on a certain level because

601
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 6: of all the work they did together and all the

602
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 6: accomplishments they have together. And I know for a fact

603
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 6: that they're still in touch with each other. So he

604
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 6: does have a dog in the fight. He was just

605
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 6: trying to stay out of the fight, and he squared

606
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 6: himself directly in the fight by trying to stay out

607
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 6: of the fight.

608
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's I think that's very well said. Listen,

609
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 8: I respect what he's done because I get the same,

610
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 8: but obviously not on the same level. But I'm a

611
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,239
Speaker 8: diehard New York sports fans birth right, born in New

612
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 8: York City Yankees fans. My family grew up going to

613
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 8: Yankees games. My grandfather was best friends with Geene Michael.

614
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 8: They used to go to the horse track together in

615
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 8: Fort Lauderdale when the Yankees had spring training at Lockhart Stadium.

616
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 8: I am a Yankees man through and I bleed pinstripes.

617
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: Well.

618
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 8: Then my career started in sports media, and I worked

619
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 8: for a local news station in New York City and

620
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 8: I covered the Yankees. It was a dream come true

621
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 8: for this kid. And then they started denying me things

622
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 8: when I wanted to interview this person and I wanted

623
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 8: to do this, and they got mad at me because

624
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 8: I stepped onto the field at the wrong time. And

625
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 8: I got it and.

626
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 7: I started to see how the sausage was made.

627
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Speaker 8: And now all of a sudden, I'm, you know, almost

628
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 8: forty years old, not really as big as a Yankees

629
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 8: fan anymore.

630
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 6: You know, I've kind of become more of a professional,

631
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 6: neutral observer of sports, so I can do this job.

632
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 8: Best for you fine folk every week. That's just the

633
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 8: way that the world works. Like you grow up, you

634
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 8: you you evolve and all of a sudden, your interests

635
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 8: and your fandoms change. And I think Tom is eve

636
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 8: all like he's not mister Patriot anymore. He first of all,

637
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 8: he want Super Bowl with another team. Second of all,

638
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 8: as we've said, he is an owner of a franchise

639
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 8: that is not New England or Tampa.

640
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 7: And third he is a broadcaster at the.

641
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 6: Highest possible level trying to give you neutral analysis for

642
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 6: all thirty two teams.

643
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 8: So that's where this was coming from. And then the

644
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 8: Boston crowd gave gave their opinion, and I'll be honest,

645
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 8: I don't know if you think this way, Brian.

646
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 4: I respect Tom a little less for caving.

647
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 8: I would have respected it more if he just would

648
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 8: have said, listen, guys, this is the way it is.

649
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 8: I don't play for the Patriots anymore. I wish nothing

650
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 8: but the best for those guys, but I'm not really

651
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 8: involved with the team in any way.

652
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that was the bad thing. He caved also,

653
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: so he's like, Okay, I took the L initially and

654
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: now all cave. So maybe it's a double L. I

655
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: don't know, depends, double L. It might be a double

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Speaker 1: L about NFL Honors. So all the awards were announced

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Speaker 1: on Thursday night, and Matthew Stafford took home League MVP

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Speaker 1: slimmest of margins.

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Speaker 4: Huh.

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford had twenty four first place votes. Drake May

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Speaker 1: had twenty three first place votes. Stafford only won the

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Speaker 1: award by five points total. And what caught a lot

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Speaker 1: of attention was one of the voters, Sam Monson.

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Speaker 7: Good dude.

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Speaker 1: I used to interview him when I worked in Portland.

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Speaker 1: Very nice dude. But he voted for Justin Herbert to

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Speaker 1: be League MVP. That was his first place vote. He

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Speaker 1: went with Herbert, and his reasoning like he said, well,

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Speaker 1: Herbert's offensive line was you know, I'm paraphrasing, but he

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Speaker 1: was talking about the offensive line being incredibly banged up.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Herbert was doing this with a rough

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Speaker 1: offensive line all season long. And he went with him

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Speaker 1: with his first place vote, which is I think beyond

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Speaker 1: outside the box. You know, did not like on top

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Speaker 1: of the five fives. He was like, yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go with the writing candidate with Justin Herbert. Here it's

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Speaker 1: like as the first place sky like maybe fourth or

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Speaker 1: fifth maybe, but first it's pretty wild to me, the

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Speaker 1: seasons that Stafford had Drake May had, I just don't

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Speaker 1: see how you could say Herbert's season was better. But

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Speaker 1: now that's what the conversation has become. So I guess

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Speaker 1: the two part question, what do you think of Stafford

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Speaker 1: winning this very close race with Drake May? And what

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Speaker 1: do you think about, Oh, by the way, voterhead Herbert

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Speaker 1: winning this thing.

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Speaker 6: I love the chaos that it creates because I really

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Speaker 6: do appreciate the fact that it shines light on the

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Speaker 6: ridiculousness of this conversation. In the first place, most valuable Player.

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Speaker 6: There's no statistical achievement that can tell us who that is.

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Speaker 6: There's no objective statement that can define value perfectly.

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Speaker 4: In the NFL.

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Speaker 6: There is no argument that can fully support one side

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Speaker 6: against the other, or one player against the rest. So

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Speaker 6: when we're talking about a subjective award, I appreciate and

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Speaker 6: support somebody writing in justin Herbert, because I really think

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Speaker 6: that if you are going to parse the details and

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Speaker 6: you are going to subjectively look at it through the

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Speaker 6: lens of which player lends the most value to their team,

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Speaker 6: and when you compare that value they lend to their

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Speaker 6: team against the backdrop of the entirety of the NFL

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Speaker 6: and every player and how much value they bring to

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Speaker 6: their own franchise. Yeah, I could see the logic that

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Speaker 6: got that person to voting for Justin Herbert. And that's

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Speaker 6: why this the reason why awards like these are so

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Speaker 6: flawed and so ridiculous when argument gets to shouting matches

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Speaker 6: like it should never be this is your opinion against

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Speaker 6: this person's opinion. Now, you can be really off base

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Speaker 6: with an opinion, there's no question about it. And there's

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Speaker 6: some really bad opinions that float out there around a

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Speaker 6: lot of different subjects, and those should be discounted and

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Speaker 6: in certain ways discredited. But I mean, the reality is this,

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Speaker 6: whether it's may or it's Stafford this season, you're splitting

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Speaker 6: hairs because you can absolutely make the argument for most

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Speaker 6: Valuable for both of these players for a multitude of

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Speaker 6: different reasons.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, you know what's.

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Speaker 6: So funny is like, I'll borrow a line from my

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Speaker 6: former teammate, former quarterback Tom Brady.

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Speaker 4: I don't got a dog in.

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Speaker 6: This fight, because my opinions just as valid as yours,

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Speaker 6: just as valid as any fan of the game who's

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Speaker 6: looking at this reasonably.

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Speaker 4: Because either one.

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Speaker 6: Of these two players were great candidates, and either one

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Speaker 6: of them could have won this award realistically. The only

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Speaker 6: thing I'll say on this I respect Sam's transparency, I

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Speaker 6: respect his process.

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Speaker 7: I disagree with his result.

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Speaker 8: I think that's it, like when you come out and

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Speaker 8: say and he got ahead of it.

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Speaker 7: Like sometimes they're very skittish.

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Speaker 8: For example, last year when it was revealed that Kay

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Speaker 8: Adams had a vote in the MVP when she's working

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Speaker 8: for a major sports book, I think is insane.

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Speaker 7: I'm glad that she didn't have a vote this year.

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Speaker 8: Nothing against her opinion, but it's like that conflict of

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Speaker 8: interest that bothers me. But Sam doesn't have that conflict

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Speaker 8: of interests unless he was better Herbert than the orders,

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Speaker 8: and probably wasn't.

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Speaker 6: But I respect his process, I respect his transparency, disagree

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Speaker 6: with the result.

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Speaker 8: Stafford I believe was the worthy winner, but not by much.

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Speaker 8: I think it was close. It was rightfully close.

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Speaker 1: The stat that's mind blowing real fast was Stafford. He

745
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Speaker 1: set an NFL record most touchdown passes ever thrown against

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Speaker 1: teams that wanted least eleven games. Yeah, like, he threw

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Speaker 1: twenty touchdown passes against eleven win teams like that's the

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Speaker 1: most an NFL history, Drake May. He didn't play a

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Speaker 1: whole lot of eleven win teams. He didn't throw a

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Speaker 1: single touchdown pass against the team that won that many games.

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Speaker 1: That's like, whoa. You can't deny Stafford when it's you

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Speaker 1: know you're thriving against great competition like that. In my

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Speaker 1: opinion that I agree with that swung it for me.

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Speaker 1: But Drake May had a brilliant season as well. It

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Speaker 1: just he didn't play the same competition. Not his fault,

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Speaker 1: but you have to factor that in. Yeah, time will

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Speaker 1: calm Brian, Yes, I think so.

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Speaker 4: I think so.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, we're gonna do a little le a little fun today.

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Speaker 6: Right, it's our last ballplatter of the season, and I

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Speaker 6: want to make sure we all go on the record

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Speaker 6: to think to state what we think is gonna happen in.

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Speaker 7: The Super Bowl. So we'll give you a money line

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Speaker 7: for the game, right.

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Speaker 8: Pretty easy, Seahawks win, Patriots win, obviously the odds are different.

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Speaker 6: And then we'll give you a total for the game.

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Speaker 6: You want to go first quarter, first half total, that's fine.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna go full game total. I'll keep it very simple.

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Speaker 6: We think this game is going to be tighter than expected,

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Speaker 6: which means I am on the dog side of the market.

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Speaker 6: So I'm not saying I think New England is going

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Speaker 6: to win.

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Speaker 8: But if I had to bet the money line in

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Speaker 8: this game, I would take the Patriots, and.

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Speaker 7: I think it's gonna be a low scoring game.

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Speaker 6: So New England money line under forty five and a

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Speaker 6: half plus three.

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Speaker 7: Eighty on those SGP odds over at that, MGM. What

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Speaker 7: do you got guys?

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I hate taking the Seattle Seahawks on the

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Speaker 6: money line alone, but when you pair with the under,

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Speaker 6: it's a taste your lick and and that's that's why

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Speaker 6: I love these same game of parlays that you can

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Speaker 6: get on Thatt MGM.

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Speaker 4: Right, So, I like the Seahawks win this game.

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Speaker 6: I think this is going to be a low scoring

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Speaker 6: game regardless of who wins. So let's rock and roll.

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Speaker 6: Is that plus one eighty at five parlay those together.

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Speaker 8: Eighty Seahawks money line and under? All right, Brian, probably

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Speaker 8: you know one of us is on Seattle, one of

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Speaker 8: us is on New England.

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Speaker 7: It would be the designer here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going with the Patriots over here. I'm on

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Speaker 1: the I'm on the Smith's side of defense.

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Speaker 7: Oh wow, I.

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Speaker 1: Say the best for last. You know, it's the last

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Speaker 1: week of the season. I had to I had to

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Speaker 1: be on the same side at one stage here. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love under forty five and a half. These are

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Speaker 1: two very good defenses. And really, when you look at

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Speaker 1: them outside of JSN, who are like the upper echelon playmakers,

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Speaker 1: Like who are they?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: Where are the points?

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Speaker 7: Mac Collins? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, body, I just don't see this being a high

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Speaker 1: scoring game? Isaya being very low scoring? And Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: like the Patriots. I think they're being slept on. I

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Speaker 1: think they're much better than they're given credit for. And

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Speaker 1: I do I think the two weeks of Seattle, Seattle, Seattle, Oh,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna blow them out. Like, I think that matters

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Speaker 1: for the game. So yeah, I'll go money line Patriots here.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna win seventeen thirteen.

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Speaker 7: I like it. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So if you want to take Patriots and under, it's

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Speaker 6: plus three eighty. If you want to go Seahawks and under,

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Speaker 6: it's plus one eighty.

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 1: None of us took over about that, all right? Coming

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Speaker 1: up next? Will this be the most important factor in

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Speaker 1: determining who wins the game?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 1: saw a couple of stats and I'm like, whoa, it's

876
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a big deal. So the Seahawks, they had

877
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten quarterback hits this season, that's third

878
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: most in the league. And then you look at Drake

879
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: May in the playoffs. He's been sacked fifteen times in

880
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: three games, five times against the Chargers, five times against

881
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: the Texans, five times against the Broncos. Very consistent those

882
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: Patriots right there. And then you look at the flip side,

883
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: Sam Donald. He led the league in turnovers. Okay, Like

884
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: when you see this stat where it's like Sam Donald

885
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: recorded the most turnovers in the twenty twenty five regular

886
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: season with twenty. He was followed by A Geno Smith

887
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: and everybody else in the entire National Football League. Darnold

888
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: had the most turnovers. He also makes sense was number

889
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 1: one in turnover worthy plays when pressured. So what do

890
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: you think the Patriot's gonna do. They're gonna pressure him,

891
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna blitz him, They're gonna force him to perform

892
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: under pressure. And then you look at that the same

893
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: lens with Drake May and the Patriots. They're gonna heat

894
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: him up. Also, third most quarterback hits from the Seahawks

895
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: this season. So do you think the quarterbacks performing under

896
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: pressure like literal pressure pass rush, do you think that's

897
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 1: gonna be the most important factor in determining who wins

898
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: and loses rich who.

899
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say no, only because throughout the week I

900
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 6: have said, whoever dominates the or really wins the ground game.

901
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 6: I don't know if you have to dominate, but if

902
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 6: you win the ground game, I think you win this game.

903
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 6: And it's predicated around some of what you just pointed out,

904
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 6: because I do think both of these defenses are so fierce,

905
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 6: especially against passers, and both of these passers are talented,

906
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 6: there's no doubt, one of which was in the MVP conversation.

907
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 6: The other has been a complete reclamation project over the

908
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 6: past two seasons with the Vikings and now with the

909
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 6: Seattle Seahawks, playing for two different offensive systems in Sam Donald,

910
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 6: and he's done a masterful job of turning his career

911
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 6: around and he's become ultimately one of the better passers

912
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 6: in the league. And I support what you said last week, Brian,

913
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 6: and what's been talked about. If Sam Donald wins the

914
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 6: Super Bowl, all of a sudden, he's gonna enter a

915
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 6: different realm of the conversation in quarterback play in this league.

916
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 6: Having said all that, I really do think it's this.

917
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 6: Both of these teams are going to rely on their

918
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 6: running backs, and out of New England it's a little

919
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 6: more by committee. With Seattle, obviously they have got more

920
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 6: of a bell cow. But if they win, or I

921
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 6: should say, if Seattle wins upfront, if New England wins

922
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 6: upfront and they can establish the run and keep the

923
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 6: ball moving on the ground throughout the course of the game,

924
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 6: I think that's really gonna be the determining factor.

925
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's funny because I went back and looked at

926
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 8: Donald's pressure numbers. I would did a deep dive Donald's stories, honestly,

927
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 8: and we take a second to recognize how crazy the

928
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 8: story was. I mean, in twenty thirteen, the backup quarterback

929
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 8: for the San Francisco forty nine ers Week eighteen of

930
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 8: that season, January of twenty twenty four, essentially two years ago,

931
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 8: he was playing in a meaningless Week eighteen game. Niners

932
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 8: had already wrapped up their playoff spot. They're facing the Rams,

933
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 8: they had already wrapped up their playoff spot. It was

934
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 8: Sam Donald against Carson Wentz, backup against backup Niners.

935
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 7: Rams. Rams won that game.

936
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 8: Donald's walking off the field in Santa Clara at Levi

937
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 8: Stadium in January of twenty twenty four, and people are

938
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 8: probably like, that's it. You're done, Sam, You're not playing

939
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 8: in this league again. You're not gonna be starter in

940
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 8: this league again. And how about that two years later,

941
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 8: almost to the day, playing on that field again in

942
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 8: the Super Bowl. It's a remarkable story. Obviously Minnesota to Seattle.

943
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 8: But you go back and look at the pressure numbers,

944
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 8: Donald's numbers under pressure right. Pro Football Focus does a

945
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 8: great job. You want to argue what constitutes pressure, I'm

946
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 8: not going to get into that debate, but they do

947
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 8: a good job giving you when clean and when under pressure.

948
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 8: So over the last two seasons, Sam Darnold forty two

949
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 8: big time throws under pressure, significantly more than his first

950
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 8: five years.

951
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 7: In the league.

952
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 8: Sixty nine percent adjusted accuracy rate under pressure this season

953
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 8: career high.

954
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 6: So I'm not saying he's perfect. He certainly has those

955
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 6: happy feet at times, and he can get flustered.

956
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 8: We've seen it many times. Seattle and New England actually,

957
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 8: ironically enough, two of the most wins in the league

958
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 8: when their team has multi turnovers. That's not a surprise.

959
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 8: Both teams won the most games. There's some context there,

960
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 8: but my point being Brian Sam has improved in this category.

961
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 8: So it's not a perfect scenario. You don't want to

962
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 8: be under pressure. But I think if I had to

963
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 8: pick between the two, I think Sam's got more experience

964
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 8: and has shown a lot of improvement throughout the course

965
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 8: of his career when facing pressure.

966
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: This is gonna sound like a hater question, but let

967
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: me expand. Have we fallen too much in love with

968
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: Darnald's story as it pertains to the game tomorrow, right Like,

969
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: and here's the thing, I don't think it's just black

970
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: and white. I think it's gray. I think it's somewhere

971
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: in between. We have like two extremes where it's like

972
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: the life and times of Darnald right now and like

973
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: throwing bouquets at his feet because he just carved.

974
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 4: Up the Rams.

975
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: He was sensational against the Rams last time we saw

976
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: the Seahawks play, and you got to give him credit

977
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: for the season. He's played very, very well, so the

978
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: praise makes sense. The other side of it is, you know,

979
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: you've got people that are just still completely skeptical because

980
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: we were clowning him one year ago. I can't get

981
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: that on my head. One year ago he was wetting

982
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: himself in the two biggest games of the year when

983
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: he's with the Vikings, right Like, he stunk it up

984
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: against the Lions in Week eighteen, and he was even

985
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: worse in the playoff loss to the Rams, got sacked

986
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: nine times. So one year ago. So that's where I'm

987
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: at is you gotta give Darnold a lot of credit

988
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: for this season, especially the performance against the Rams. He

989
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: was sensational and we didn't know how he was gonna

990
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: perform with the Oblique. It is like, h Oblique looks fine.

991
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: He looks more than fine, So you got to give

992
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 1: him credit. But has it gone too far? To Jared's point,

993
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: the story is amazing where he gets drafted by the Jets.

994
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: Third overall, I'm seeing ghosts. You know, it's a calamity.

995
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: It's going as badly as it can. They kick him

996
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: to the curb, you know, it takes him a while

997
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: to resurface. He resurfaces with the Panthers, has no surrounding talent,

998
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: fizzles there. He ends up with the Niners as a backup,

999
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: like Jared pointed out. Then he gets to the Vikings

1000
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: plays well they're like, yeah, yeah, we don't want you, I.

1001
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 7: Want J McCarthy instead.

1002
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah with JJ McCarthy, who you saw how it worked

1003
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: out in his first year, starting this last year brutal,

1004
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: and now here Sam is in the super Bowl. It's

1005
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: an amazing story, but have we fallen a little bit

1006
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: too much in love with it where we're making Darnald

1007
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: out to be like a top five quarterback right now,

1008
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: and it's like he's going up against the really good defense.

1009
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 1: I don't know that we want to just act like, oh, Seahawks, Yeah,

1010
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: just name the score man, They're gonna win for sure.

1011
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: We don't know how donald fourth quarter game, key third

1012
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: down conversion. He's pressured most turnovers in the league this season.

1013
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: It is just the furthest thing from a layup for

1014
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: Sam coming through tomorrow. I just think the praise has

1015
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: gone a little bit too far, and I hate Sam

1016
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: saying that because he does deserve a lot of praise.

1017
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: I just think some of it in these two weeks

1018
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: it's just like, are we talking about the same guy here?

1019
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: It's like, Wow, we're laying it on thick.

1020
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1021
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 6: I really do agree with that, and it's always been

1022
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 6: with tepid optimism through that lens that I have watched

1023
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 6: Sam Darnold perform over the past two seasons. I was

1024
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 6: really excited about the MVP chatter around his name during

1025
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 6: the regular season with the Vikings.

1026
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 4: Because I was like, WHOA, what a story.

1027
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 6: This guy's been scrap heaped and he's been completely revived

1028
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 6: by Kyle Shanahan and Kevin O'Connell because he spent a

1029
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 6: year with the Niners, as a backup, and it felt

1030
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 6: like he learned a lot even though he was understudy.

1031
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 6: And then when he got an opportunity to start for

1032
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 6: the injury JJ McCarthy with Kevin O'Connell at the helm

1033
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 6: of that offense, he really put it all together.

1034
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 4: And I love the story, but always with.

1035
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 6: Tepid optimism, meaning that I was never going to be

1036
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 6: at a fever pitch or rock get hot on Sam

1037
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 6: Donald that he's figured this league out because it's really

1038
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 6: hard to change your stripes, it really is. It takes

1039
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 6: a lot of time to truly get away from maybe

1040
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 6: some of the things that deterred success earlier in your career.

1041
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 4: Can you learn a lot in this league? Yeah?

1042
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 6: But is there usually a ceiling especially where you start. Yeah,

1043
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 6: that's also true. And I mean, look, we can point

1044
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 6: to the exceptions to the rule. I think Josh Allen

1045
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 6: had a really rough start to his career and he

1046
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 6: figured this league out, and it really feels like the

1047
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 6: ceiling is limitless at this point because he keeps getting

1048
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 6: better and better and better. You know, there are certain

1049
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 6: players who can be used as the exception to prove

1050
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 6: the rule. Is Sam Donald that I'm gonna need to

1051
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 6: see more. And I know that seems unfair because this

1052
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 6: is a guy who's helped now two teams into the

1053
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 6: playoffs in consecutive years and is about to play in

1054
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 6: his first Super Bowl as a starter. But sports aren't fair.

1055
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 6: You've got to prove a lot for people to start

1056
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 6: believing in you. And that's how this game works, especially football,

1057
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 6: because so much hinges around the play of one position

1058
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 6: on the field.

1059
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: That's why these guys get paid the way they do.

1060
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 6: That's that's why you know after your career, you know,

1061
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 6: if you're starting quarterback and you have success, I mean

1062
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 6: it's like, name which auto insurance brand you want to

1063
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 6: be paid by?

1064
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 4: You know, name like you.

1065
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 6: Name the commercial whatever, rent a car company you want

1066
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 6: to be paid by. Yeah, I mean you're going to

1067
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 6: be remembered forever because it's hard.

1068
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 4: It's hard.

1069
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 6: And is Sam Darnold capable of accomplishing hard things and

1070
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 6: having success?

1071
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 4: Of course he is. Am I one hundred percent sold? Yet? No?

1072
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 6: And I'll be perfectly frank if you ask Sam Donald,

1073
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 6: are you one hundred percent sold that you are one

1074
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 6: of the elite quarterbacks in the league? And he was

1075
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 6: being perfectly honest with himself and everybody else.

1076
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 4: He would say, no, I'm not.

1077
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 6: I think I still have things to prove to myself

1078
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 6: and this is a big moments. So yeah, I mean

1079
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 6: you're talking about actual, real pressure that's gonna be supplied

1080
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 6: by a Patriots defense that's gonna try to fool them,

1081
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 6: or they've got some guys, especially in that inside defensive line,

1082
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 6: that can really They've got a high win rate against

1083
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 6: pass blocking like that. That's real pressure. But then you

1084
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 6: talk about the the sort of the pressure in the

1085
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 6: figurative sense, like the fact that between his ears he's

1086
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 6: gonna have to handle the bright lights of the Super

1087
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 6: Bowl and perform. That's also pressure, and so that is

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00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 6: a huge determining factor as well.

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00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the Darnald narrative is interesting, but not

1090
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 8: important for the outcome of the game. I think there's

1091
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 8: a lot of stories. Right, it's a long two weeks

1092
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 8: before the game, right after the Championship Sunday games are

1093
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 8: in the books and we have to kind of reload,

1094
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 8: and there's a lot to talk about, and so every

1095
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 8: narrative is gonna get dissected by every possible angle. I

1096
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 8: think the Darnald narrative of his time in New York,

1097
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 8: than Carolina, than San fran than Minnesota before Seattle is

1098
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 8: very interesting, but not relevant to the actual outcome of

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00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 8: the game. The actual outcome of the game will be

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00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 8: determined by just like every other NFL game is determined

1101
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 8: by who turns it over more, who creates more mistakes

1102
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 8: and you know, you know, forces the other team to

1103
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 8: commit errors.

1104
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 7: And who scores more points.

1105
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 8: So that to me is the only thing that matters

1106
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 8: for the actual outcome of the game. But make no

1107
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 8: mistake Sam Darnoald, who by the way, is twenty eight

1108
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 8: years old. For those listeners out there who are thinking

1109
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 8: to themselves, you know, if you're in my age bracket

1110
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 8: about turn forty, you're in the forties fifties, think about

1111
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 8: where you were at age twenty eight, and how much

1112
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 8: knowledge you had of the world and how much learning

1113
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 8: you had to do still, and what Sam's been able

1114
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 8: to accomplish by age twenty. I know, the football life

1115
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 8: span is obviously a little bit different than the human

1116
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 8: life span, but he's still just twenty eight years old.

1117
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 8: He is still a young man even in football terms.

1118
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 8: He has not hit that age thirty threshold yet, So

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00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 8: I think there is still a lot of learning and

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00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 8: a lot of upside for Sam to do. I'll leave

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00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 8: you with this one nugget, and it's how we started

1122
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 8: the conversation. It's turnovers. Sam Donald had twenty giveaways during

1123
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 8: the regular season, most in the NFL, as Brian alluded

1124
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 8: to first quarterback since Eli Manning in two thousand and

1125
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 8: seven to make the Super Bowl in the same season

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00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 8: he had the most giveaways in the NFL. I'm don't

1127
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 8: need to read all of you on who won that supermower.

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00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 7: You all know who won it.

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00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, something about being an undefeated team, you know something

1130
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: something there about that. Yeah, it's listen, man, I love

1131
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: Jared that you pointed out that he's twenty eight years old,

1132
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: because Sam Donald, I don't know if it's he feels

1133
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: like he's thirty six in football years.

1134
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 7: Playing for the Jets will do that to you.

1135
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's so well traveled, he has played for

1136
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: multiple teams. It just seems like he's been around for

1137
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: way longer than that. Think about how much football he

1138
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: has left. He got a lot of years left. If

1139
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: he's found a home here in Seattle, I mean, he

1140
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: could be he could be a good quarterback. For a

1141
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: while now. That's I feel like this is a obviously

1142
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: a monstrous hurdle in front of him. If he passes

1143
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: this test tomorrow and wins a ring man, the future

1144
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: is bright. If he stinks it up and loses it,

1145
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: like all this goodwill and wow, what a story one

1146
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: Like sharp left, I knew this guy. You know, it's

1147
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 1: not gonna take much for people to revert back. It's

1148
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: just kind of crazy. It's changed so much, you know. Yeah,

1149
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: it didn't take a ton for the narrative to completely

1150
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: change on Darnold. That's rare. Normally, it takes a ton

1151
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: for people to really change their thinking about you. And really,

1152
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: it took a good regular season, a stud performance against

1153
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: the Rams in the NFC Championship game, and it's like

1154
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: people have amnesia where it's like, oh, last year stinking

1155
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: it up and the two big games. Oh yeah, I

1156
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: kind of recall that normally doesn't happen the way it

1157
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: has for Donald, and that's good. I'm fine with it.

1158
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: It's just, man, when someone has a reputation for shrinking

1159
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: in the big moments, it normally takes five great years

1160
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: for them to start thinking like, maybe this guy is

1161
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: starting to maybe turn the corner. It was one year

1162
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: for Donald and people are like, absolved this guy. Wow,

1163
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: what a season. It's yeah, it's it's been a real

1164
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: quick turnaround for the guy.

1165
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 6: I love it for him because he is and and

1166
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 6: from everybody who I've spoken to knows him on a

1167
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 6: personal level, a good guy, you know. And so you

1168
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 6: root for the good guys you want. You want people

1169
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 6: who treat people right to have success and be and

1170
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 6: and and get to places where where they want to

1171
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 6: get to and and so I'm rooting for Sam in

1172
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 6: no way, shape or form. I think when you hear

1173
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 6: criticism of Sam Donald from a football standpoint, should you

1174
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 6: say like, yeah, I mean, who are these clowns?

1175
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 5: You know?

1176
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 6: I mean, this is a guy who's trying his ass

1177
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 6: off and he's doing great things, and you know, how

1178
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 6: dare they?

1179
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 4: It's like, no, everybody is. When I promise you, everybody.

1180
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 6: In an NFL locker room is trying their ass off,

1181
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 6: I promise you, from top to bottom, all fifty three players,

1182
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 6: and if you're not, they find somebody who will.

1183
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 4: It's it's hard.

1184
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 6: It's a really tough sport, and even to crack a

1185
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 6: starting lineup is difficult. And then to have some modicum

1186
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 6: of success when you're there doing it.

1187
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 4: It's hard.

1188
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 6: Everybody's getting paid, everybody's great, everybody's well coached. So when

1189
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 6: you are literally trying to get an infinitesimal advantage over

1190
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 6: your opponent or eke yourself a little bit better each

1191
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 6: and every year to get to the point where Sam

1192
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 6: Darnold's gotten tude to a platitude where not only do

1193
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 6: people believe in him now, but he has had some

1194
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 6: recent success to back it up. It's not discrediting all

1195
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 6: that hard work to get to where he is by

1196
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 6: saying I'm not completely sold. It's just saying, hey, we

1197
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 6: need to see at least one more game for us

1198
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 6: to be like Sam donald believers. And I don't think

1199
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 6: there's anything wrong with that, right.

1200
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1201
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 8: We live in like this sensationalized culture where you're either

1202
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 8: the best or the worst and there's no in between

1203
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 8: like that. It's just there's very little gray area in

1204
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 8: today's sporting culture where we can allow Sam to kind

1205
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 8: of exist in this. Hey, you started your career in

1206
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 8: purgatory essentially the Jets, and then you go to Carolina,

1207
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 8: which is maybe like a step above for I don't remember.

1208
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 6: Thought there's infernal, there's like somebody, I think there's twelve

1209
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 6: circles of hell.

1210
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 8: I think Charlotte and the Metal Hands are two of them.

1211
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 8: And then you come out of purgatory. And it's only

1212
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 8: been right. We've said this. I just said this on

1213
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 8: a previous segment. It's only been two years almost to the.

1214
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 6: Day that he was walking off the field as a

1215
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 6: backup quarterback under Kyle Shanahan and brought it purty. And

1216
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 6: you're just like, this guy's career is over, and two

1217
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 6: years later he is about on the cost of winning

1218
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl. So give him a little bit of grace,

1219
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 6: allow him to grow, and maybe he'll prove you wrong

1220
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 6: like he did in the Rams game.

1221
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I would say, on the very

1222
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: positive side, a lot of quarterbacks would have cracked, you know,

1223
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: and then the path of Donald, Sam's path would have

1224
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: broken a lot of quarterbacks. And he's still here. I'm

1225
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: still standing. I'm still strong, and that's Sam Donald right

1226
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: there right like, so I love that he didn't break.

1227
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: But I think it's fair what Rich has said, I

1228
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: gotta see more to be truly sold. I think that's fair. Also,

1229
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: so a great path and we'll see what he does tomorrow.

1230
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Speaker 1: You know, before we get into the hard hitting questions,

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01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,040
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1266
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Speaker 1: I want to be goofy super Bowl, Like, what does

1267
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Speaker 1: the setup look like for you? Is it business? Is

1268
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: it business casual? What are you gonna be eating? What

1269
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Speaker 1: are you gonna be doing tomorrow during the Super Bowl shamous?

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Speaker 5: Hey guys, well it's still pretty up in the air

1271
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 5: right now. But I think at this moment, I'm going

1272
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 5: to be staying in with my girlfriend, who will be

1273
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 5: cooking a nice little feast for us for the Super Bowl,

1274
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 5: and it should be lovely nice.

1275
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: Any details and anything like checks, mix, what's must have?

1276
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: What do we got going on here tomorrow?

1277
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 5: I leave the food to her. She is a great book.

1278
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 5: She knows how to prepare all this for us, So

1279
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 5: I haven't asked any questions.

1280
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 4: He's a smart man. That's a guy.

1281
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 6: That's a guy who knows to stay out of the

1282
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 6: way when somebody knows what they're doing.

1283
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 4: Let her cook.

1284
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 7: Literally, I mean, I posted this hot take the other day.

1285
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Speaker 8: I said, super Bowl parties, like I'm not talking about

1286
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 8: like a small gathering and a few close friends. I'm

1287
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 8: talking about like, you know, you go to a big

1288
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 8: party and there's one hundred people there, fifty people there,

1289
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 8: wildly overrated, can't watch the game. So I'm glad that

1290
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Speaker 8: you're taking the smart approach a small, you know, cozy

1291
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 8: atmosphere where you can actually pay attention to the ball,

1292
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 8: which is the.

1293
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Speaker 7: Most important thing.

1294
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Speaker 8: All right, jam Is, I'm gonna give you this, give

1295
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 8: you this outcome and you tell me if it's a

1296
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 8: good result for the sports book. I think your answer

1297
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:03,479
Speaker 8: is going to be yes, Seahawks win, Patriots cover, game

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Speaker 8: stays under. To me, that's best case scenario for the book.

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Speaker 7: What say you?

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's still really hard to tell what it's

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Speaker 5: going to end up being. Our need Here we went

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01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 5: with low vig on the on the spread on the

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01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 5: super Bowl, which has taken a lot more Patriots spread action.

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01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 5: It really has, you know, taken some heat off of

1305
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 5: anything we've taken on the Seahawks minus four and a half.

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Speaker 5: We'll see what actually we get the next the next

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01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 5: forty eight hours to see with the low Vig. But

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01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 5: the in terms of the money line, we're in a

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01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 5: pretty decent spot with the money line. There's a lot

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Speaker 5: of things got to consider with you know, who's going

1311
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 5: to win the game, because not only the futures, you

1312
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 5: have parlays for the last leg is either in the

1313
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 5: Patriots or the Seahawks or the super Bowl, and then

1314
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 5: you have the game threat. So it's it's kind of

1315
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 5: a little finicky to figure out. But right now the

1316
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 5: game money line isn't that crazy.

1317
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 7: Right now.

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Speaker 5: The spread right now going well vig we've actually taken

1319
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 5: a lot more pass money to kind of wash out

1320
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 5: a lot of the Seahawks liability. I'm not saying we're

1321
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 5: in a flush spot here because I'm expecting a few

1322
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 5: massive wagers to come over the counter in Vegas for

1323
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 5: the shop here. So we'll see what happens now. But

1324
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Speaker 5: now that we've gone to you know, a two percent

1325
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 5: viig on the on the Super Bowl spread, it has

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Speaker 5: been a lot more pass money coming in.

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Speaker 4: Interesting.

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01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 6: Okay, you know what what is the most line movement

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01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 6: you could possibly predict happening, you know, realistically one way

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01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 6: or the other. What would you say is the most

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01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 6: in the And also I guess the most likely line movement, Seamus.

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Speaker 5: I don't see this line moving anywhere spread or total. Honestly,

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01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 5: if I had to pick one that's the most likely too,

1334
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 5: I'd say maybe this line moves down to four at

1335
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 5: the most three and a half, but I just really

1336
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 5: don't see it. If it does, I think you would

1337
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 5: move towards the Patriots stuff.

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01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 1: You know, seame As we know your thoughts on you know,

1339
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: like the Horizon League or the Premier League or you know,

1340
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: stuff like that. We get your shame as specials all

1341
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: the time. I want to hone in on super Bowl sixty.

1342
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: You're a man of conviction, You're a man of strong opinions.

1343
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: What are your strongest opinions about how Super Bowl sixty

1344
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 1: might play out?

1345
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 5: You know there's one bet I like, and you know

1346
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 5: this is this is stuff I don't just give to

1347
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 5: anyone here. You know, my my Premier League picks, by

1348
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 5: my college soup sticks. You know anyone can get those,

1349
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 5: but this one, you know, this is this is a

1350
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 5: good one here. So my favorite bet right now is

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01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 5: mac Hollins over two and a half receptions.

1352
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, usually.

1353
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 5: Having around plus one thirty is right now.

1354
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 3: I like that bet.

1355
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 5: I think that's my favorite player prop bet. And you

1356
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 5: know I am a sucker for someone like the the

1357
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 5: you know, the the game props like will there be

1358
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 5: yes on the two point conversion?

1359
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 11: I love those.

1360
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 5: It's a really square one that I love to be

1361
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 5: involved in. Every year, I bet there to be a

1362
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 5: touchback punt. I think every year in the Super Bowl,

1363
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,919
Speaker 5: I think I'm over my last two, which I can't

1364
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 5: believe it, Like, yeah, have you seen how a football

1365
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 5: is sheet? I just bounce into the end zone every year,

1366
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 5: but I don't know I'll be back on it this year,

1367
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 5: I can tell you that much. But Matt Collins over

1368
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 5: two and a half receptions. That's legitimately my favorite prop

1369
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 5: on the board right now.

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01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 8: We're always in alignment, Shamus, because I do two videos

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01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 8: for BETMGM every week for Fox right, I think get

1372
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 8: posted on the Fox Sports radio, Twitter and Instagram pages.

1373
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,080
Speaker 8: And my bet this week on the Patriots side was

1374
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 8: Mac Collins over receiving yards, which obviously is an alignment

1375
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 8: with where you're at. It's a twenty twenty five yards.

1376
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just a super low number. I mean,

1377
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 8: he's a guy that's been very effective, and I love you.

1378
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 8: I love your handle there and your your angle overall.

1379
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 8: Have you noticed more prop bets than usual this year?

1380
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 8: More handle than usual this year? It seems like every

1381
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 8: year we keep raising the bar with the amount of

1382
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 8: money that is wagered on the Super Bowl. I expect

1383
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,759
Speaker 8: it to be another record this year. Have you noticed

1384
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 8: any increase in any certain area or is it just

1385
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 8: kind of, you know, a status quo for a Super Bowl.

1386
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 5: Everyone's a little later to the party this year. It

1387
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 5: feels like last year people couldn't wait to be betting

1388
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 5: the Chiefs versus the Eagles this year. You started off

1389
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 5: a little slow, but we were ramping up. Now, you know,

1390
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 5: we're back to levels we were seeing this far out

1391
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 5: for Super Bowl in terms of betting on everything. So

1392
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 5: I think it is going to be a record setting

1393
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 5: super Bowl for us. I think we finally got there

1394
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 5: in terms of handled this week to a place where

1395
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 5: it looks like we're going to be able to you know,

1396
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 5: get up there. But yeah, it's in terms of props

1397
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 5: as well. This is definitely the most we've offered as

1398
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 5: a sports book, and it's definitely the most actual we're

1399
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 5: seeing on a lot of these props. There's a lot

1400
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 5: of these, A lot of hard work goes into these

1401
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 5: props where you know, you price these up and a

1402
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 5: lot of years you're not gonna write a settle bet

1403
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 5: on a lot of these. But it feels like we're

1404
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 5: starting to see people, you know, get hip to the

1405
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 5: amount of action that you could have on the Super

1406
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 5: Bowl and we're starting to see more actions on a

1407
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 5: lot more of these niche props.

1408
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 6: Is is slow action leading up to a Super Bowl

1409
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 6: typically a corollary to more action on in game bets.

1410
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 6: Especially with the proliferation of all these apps. You know,

1411
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 6: it's so easy to place an in game bet now,

1412
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 6: is that something you guys are assuming will happen? And

1413
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 6: then I guess maybe this is a question for you

1414
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 6: or Jared to answer. When when there is a lot

1415
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:58,600
Speaker 6: of in game betting happening, is that a more advantageous

1416
01:09:58,640 --> 01:09:59,879
Speaker 6: time to place a wager.

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01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 5: I think context matter is a lot like last year,

1418
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 5: you had an awesome Super Bowl matchup with Mahomes going

1419
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 5: against the Eagles, that you had a rematch this year

1420
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 5: felt like a little less buzz around the two teams.

1421
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 5: That's why I think that the wagering is a little slow.

1422
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 5: But you get the Super Bowl leak and everyone gets

1423
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 5: swept up and everyone loves told them up the props,

1424
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 5: and it's suddenly the only thing you can really talk

1425
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 5: about sports wise is this game. So I think we're

1426
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 5: back to our levels now. And then in game wadering,

1427
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 5: I think it matters what kind of game you start

1428
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 5: off with. And this is just a boat race, I

1429
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 5: think you're gonna see a big dipend in play wagering.

1430
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 5: But if it's a close game, then you'll start seeing

1431
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 5: a lot of people coming in and then at that

1432
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 5: point when you're trading the game in play, it's just

1433
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 5: you're just trying to make sure you're not being, you know,

1434
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 5: a little asleep at the wheel. You want to make

1435
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 5: sure you're on top of all the moves in the game,

1436
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 5: making sure that the action you're taking is the right action.

1437
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 5: So it'll be interesting if this I think it's going

1438
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 5: to be a close game. I think it's I lean

1439
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 5: under on the game as a whole, so it'll be

1440
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 5: interesting to see what kind of in play wagering we get.

1441
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 5: If it's close, I think we'll see a big handle.

1442
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: All right, Seamus, where are you taking us for the

1443
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: Shamous Special this week?

1444
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 5: Yeah? I was. I was giving out to mac Hollins

1445
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 5: on the Receptions as my pick, but I don't know.

1446
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 5: Let's see, we're gonna have to scour the college hoops

1447
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 5: board today. Un let's you guys want another. Let's guys

1448
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 5: like that touchback prop. I mean you can find it.

1449
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: I put that in officially, Yeah, a couple of years,

1450
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: we haven't had one. We're due, We're overdue, We're crazy.

1451
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 5: Right, How does that happen? If you like the hoops?

1452
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 5: If you like the hoops play today though I like

1453
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 5: Tennessee money Line at Kentucky Little See Ball. It'll be

1454
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 5: TV for everyone, so no need to complain there, no.

1455
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:56,720
Speaker 1: Doubt, all right, Seamus, Well, good stuff as always been

1456
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: enjoyed the Super Bowl. We'll catch you soon.

1457
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 3: I'm a going on you two.

1458
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 4: There.

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01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: He is Seamus McGee, team lead of Sports Trading at BEDMGM.

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01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: Hey have you ever wiped with a piece of dry

1461
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: toilet paper and wondered? Is this as good as it gets?

1462
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,320
Speaker 1: It is not switched to life changing wet extra large

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1465
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 1: pants down. I saw a fun fact that I wanted

1466
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: to throw your guys away. So what would you think here?

1467
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: Rich and Jared? So the total number of quarterbacks that

1468
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: have started a Super Bowl, it might be lower than

1469
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: you think. So we're approaching Super Bowl sixty. So you think,

1470
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: all right, like if we had two different quarterbacks every

1471
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: single year, we'd have one hundred and twenty starting quarterbacks

1472
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl?

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01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 4: Right?

1474
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 1: What would be your guests? Like what we actually have?

1475
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: Because you have a lot of repeats, you know, so

1476
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: that makes the number go down. Where do you think

1477
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: the number stands right now?

1478
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 4: Total starting quarterbacks who played in Super Bowl? Balls?

1479
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, qbs that have started the Super Bowl.

1480
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 4: I'm going to say. I'm going to say it's a

1481
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 4: really low number.

1482
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 6: Like like, so potential for one hundred and fifty eight.

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01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, just like a potential for one

1484
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: to twenty that's the max.

1485
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, twenty oh yeah, yeah, you're right.

1486
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 4: Sorry what number one was? I working off of one?

1487
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 4: I don't know. We're we're at super.

1488
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:26,719
Speaker 7: Bowl eighty five?

1489
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, superlighty, holy cow?

1490
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 6: All right, uh so potential all right, you know what

1491
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 6: I'm going to say.

1492
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with eighty six of them?

1493
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:38,680
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you think?

1494
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 7: Very five? Seventy five?

1495
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: Pretty good guesses? A total of sixty seven?

1496
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 6: Wow, that is that's a lot lower than I So

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01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 6: it's actually it's like one quarterback for Super Bowl, right.

1498
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: That's how many repeats we've had. Like Tom Brady, you know,

1499
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: he xes out a lot of you know, new starting quarterbacks.

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01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:00,839
Speaker 7: Yeah, Montana and the Home Yeah, those guys have played.

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01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: In multiple Bradshaw, right, you get to those guys, so yeah,

1502
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 1: sixty seven total different quarterbacks have started, and it grows

1503
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 1: by two, grows by two tomorrow, right, so it does. Yeah,

1504
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 1: get Drake, may get Sam Darnold in there, but lower

1505
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: than you would think. Right I saw that number, I'm like,

1506
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,480
Speaker 1: oh mych we've had that many repeat quarterbacks.

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01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 8: That's astound shows how little parody there actually has been

1508
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 8: in the NFL.

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01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you think about eras like free agency started

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01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: in like ninety four, you know, so like the Bradshaw,

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01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: like the Steeler days, the Cowboys days, like back then,

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01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 1: completely different.

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01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 7: Right, how many it also started him?

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01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 6: It also shows you how how important it is to

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01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 6: have an experienced, an elite quarterback, Like I mean, just

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01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 6: the number of times a guy can get back to

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01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 6: the promised Land.

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01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 4: It's it's difficult.

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 6: That road is treacherous, and it's it's really hard to

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01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 6: manage those emotions. And so you need like a special operator.

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01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 6: You need a guy with a low heartbeat in big

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01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 6: time sh situations to get you there.

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01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 4: And some of the names we just mentioned, my Tan and.

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01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 6: Mahomes, Bradshaw, Brady Manning, like those are the guys they

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01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 6: can keep their cool under pressure.

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01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 8: Man, I don't want to put you on the spot, Brian,

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01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 8: But how many winners have there been? Different winners? If

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01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 8: you if you have that number in there.

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01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: No, I don't have it.

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01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 7: I'll have to look that up.

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01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: No, I'm just kidding. No, I'm not sure we could

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01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: look that one up. But I don't know what I.

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01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 8: Think in the forties, thirty thirty between thirty and forty

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01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 8: would be my.

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01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 7: Guess, Yeah, my guess, yeah, right man, about half?

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01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be gosh, yeah, somewhere around there in the

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01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: thirty ish range. I would probably something like that.

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Speaker 8: But even that, you like, wow, sixties to or fifty

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01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 8: nine super Bowl winners, I mean only to have only

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01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 8: thirty ish basically half a little.

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01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 7: More than half. I mean, they're still pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: We need another day and a half to talk about

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01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 1: what's something that you like?

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Speaker 8: So I'll give you a player on the Patriots. You know,

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01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 8: we talked a little bit about Mac Collins. I think

1571
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 8: he's a guy that I would definitely look for.

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01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 6: But I'm not going to double down on what we

1573
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 6: just heard because I'll give you that a little bit.

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01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 7: Later in the show.

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01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 6: But I think Kashan Pudi is another player you should

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01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 6: keep a very close eye on. So when I watch

1577
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 6: some film on the Seahawks defense, the one thing I

1578
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 6: noticed when when you go by it, when you use

1579
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 6: a three by one formation, three receivers on one side,

1580
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 6: one receiver on.

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01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 7: The other side, what Seattle will do. They will play

1582
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 7: man coverage on that single side and it allows an

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01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 7: opportunity for a fade route.

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01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 8: We've seen this multiple times throughout the course of the

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 8: season with the Newingle Patriots. We saw the Rams not

1586
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,120
Speaker 8: attack that side with Devonte Adams running.

1587
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 7: Fade routes up the sidelines.

1588
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 8: But we've seen the Patriots and Drake made do a

1589
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 8: very good job this year on those deep go routes

1590
01:17:57,760 --> 01:17:59,839
Speaker 8: when they have single coverage on the outside. And Kaisehon

1591
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 8: but he's a guy that can beat you vertically and

1592
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:03,799
Speaker 8: he has made a few really nice.

1593
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 7: Plays so far.

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01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 6: Hasn't been a huge factor in the offense, but his

1595
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 6: long receptions prop is seventeen and a half. He's not

1596
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 6: going to be intermediate short over the middle.

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01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 8: If Booty has an impact on this game, it is

1598
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 8: going to be deep down the field, single coverage on

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01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 8: the outside. So Kishan Boudi longest reception over seventeen and

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01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 8: a half.

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01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 7: A sneaky matchup to look out.

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01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 4: For in the Super Bowl.

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01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 6: Okay, on the bed MGM app they offer rushing and

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01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 6: receiving yards one hundred plus. Rushing and receiving yards for

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01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 6: Kenneth Walker is at minus one point fifteen and I

1606
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 6: love this.

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01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 4: So in the.

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01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 6: Toughest games against the toughest opponents, Kenneth Walker really stepped

1609
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:42,799
Speaker 6: up in a big way in terms of production.

1610
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,440
Speaker 4: You know, he scores touchdowns.

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01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 6: He is an outlet for Darnold, and obviously, if we're

1612
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 6: going to talk correlations, I believe the only way the

1613
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 6: Seahawks can win this game is if they control the

1614
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 6: ground game and he's going to be a big.

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01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:56,519
Speaker 4: Part of that.

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01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 6: So in terms of trying to get the ball out

1617
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 6: under pressure, trying to get the ground game established, Kenneth

1618
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 6: Walker's gonna having a big impact on both of those.

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01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 4: So give me Kenneth Walker rushing.

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01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 6: And receiving one hundred plus yards minus won fifteen at bet.

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01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 1: Mgt okay.

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01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff I like, Yeah, you know,

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01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: I'll give you one that i've bet. I'd rather give

1625
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: you one that i've bet instead of one that I

1626
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: have not bet. But I have bet Ramandre Stevenson, the

1627
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: Patriots running back, to go over his receiving yards. It's

1628
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,600
Speaker 1: sticked up a bit. I don't love that it's done that,

1629
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 1: but I still think there's value on over twenty three

1630
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 1: and a half receiving yards. Seattle just doesn't do a

1631
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 1: very good job covering running backs out of the backfield,

1632
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: and the Patriots are a good screen game team. They've

1633
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: gotten Remandre Stevenson numerous opportunities. Seattle hasn't done a good

1634
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 1: job limiting bigger plays from running back in running backs

1635
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 1: in the receiving game, So I think Romandre Stevenson going

1636
01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: over twenty three and a half receiving yards is still

1637
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: a good play. I did pull disclosure bet it at

1638
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: a bit of a reduced number, you know, twenty and

1639
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 1: a half, twenty one and a half around there, So

1640
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: it's sticked up a little bit, but I still think

1641
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: he can get there, and I still feel strongly that

1642
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: he will. The one thing I would add is someone's

1643
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: going under, you know what I mean? Like if not,

1644
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 1: everybody can go over obviously, and so it's like, who's

1645
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 1: gonna be forgotten here? I think a guy who's a

1646
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: good candidate to be the forgotten guy would be the

1647
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: Mario Douglas, Pop Douglas, you know, go under nine and

1648
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: a half receiving yards. I don't know that he has

1649
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: a catch, and there's a good chance if he has

1650
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 1: a catch, it's for five six seven yards. He doesn't

1651
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: go over in one reception, So is he gonna get

1652
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 1: two receptions? Someone's gonna be forgotten and someone's gonna be

1653
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: left out in the cold. Could very well be Pop

1654
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:48,479
Speaker 1: Douglas here. So under nine and a half I think

1655
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: is a decent play with his receiving yards as well.

1656
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 6: Something I'm doing for that i'll post tomorrow is I

1657
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 6: snapshot at all of the odds when the prop market

1658
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,560
Speaker 6: opened on January twenty seventh, and I'm going to snapshot

1659
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 6: it again tomorrow. The ones that have moved up the most,

1660
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 6: Jackson Smith and Jigba look to the under like that.

1661
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 7: That's usually where the value is.

1662
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 8: Day up, wait for all the overbetters to come in,

1663
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 8: and then slam the under on the ones that move.

1664
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 1: All right, coming up next? How big does popularity matter?

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01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: What is going on? Happy Saturday to you. I hope

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Speaker 1: your day is off to a great start. Happy super

1668
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 1: Bowl Eve to you as well. Yes, we will get

1669
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:31,200
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01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: thinking about this. Seattle is obviously a very very popular choice, right,

1677
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: like the most popular bets in any Super Bowl on

1678
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: the spread that that has gone to Seattle like seventy

1679
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: percent and maybe growing, who knows, but as of right

1680
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: now the most popular super Bowl pick ever in terms

1681
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: of the point spread. How much do you think that

1682
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: matters for the game. Do you think that it matters

1683
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: to I think it does. I think that a team

1684
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 1: like the Patriots, where you can't help but hear this

1685
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,839
Speaker 1: over the course of two weeks that, oh, Seattle's expected

1686
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: to win the game, They're expected to win the game

1687
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: by many handsomely, you know, like boat racing them. If

1688
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: you're competitive on any level, you're gonna be like, oh, oh, okay,

1689
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see about that. And on the flip side,

1690
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:46,320
Speaker 1: Seattle being expected to win the game by so many people,

1691
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: I think real pressure comes with that. If this is

1692
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,000
Speaker 1: a fourth quarter game, you might tighten up a little

1693
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: bit where it's like there's just a different sense between Rich.

1694
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: You could talk to this when you're the underdog, maybe

1695
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:02,759
Speaker 1: a little looser. When you're affected to win far and wide,

1696
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: and it's a close game, late key situation, you might

1697
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 1: get a little tight. So I do think that it

1698
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: matters for the game. Do you guys, you think this

1699
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 1: matters at all, Rich, that Seattle is so popular of

1700
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: a pick.

1701
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it absolutely does.

1702
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 6: And to speak to the psychology of being an athlete

1703
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 6: on those types of teams, in those types of situations,

1704
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,680
Speaker 6: I know exactly how it feels on both sides. And

1705
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 6: when you are a massive underdog entering a game, there

1706
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 6: is a feeling or not even a massive underdog, but

1707
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 6: say like a really unpopular pick, or the team you're

1708
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,799
Speaker 6: facing is a popular pick. Heading into a game, especially

1709
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 6: a game that matters, there is a feeling of like, well,

1710
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 6: everybody's expecting us to win, so why don't we just

1711
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 6: let it all hang out?

1712
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 4: You know?

1713
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 6: And also you got to remember the scrutiny that the

1714
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 6: coaching staff is under is different because that changes the

1715
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 6: outcomes aren't reflective of of of massive improvements needed if

1716
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 6: the right outcomes aren't had, Like if everybody expects the

1717
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 6: Patriots to lose and they lose, but they keep it close.

1718
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 6: There there are no moral victories in sports, but there

1719
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:21,559
Speaker 6: certainly are. When we're talking about job security, Oh yeah.

1720
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 7: Sure, you know.

1721
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:26,560
Speaker 6: I mean there there is value to ownership and executives

1722
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 6: when they see a team who's not expected to compete

1723
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 6: or you know, potentially is expected to lose and keeps

1724
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 6: it really close with a team that beat them.

1725
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 4: There there is job security in that.

1726
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 6: So you think about Mike Tomlin all those years with

1727
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 6: first round bounces in the playoffs or or or no

1728
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 6: playoff berths, but just keeping his team above five hundred

1729
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 6: may have buoyed his time as head coach of the

1730
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh Steelers because at least he's.

1731
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 4: Not He's not a losing coach.

1732
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 6: He's a winning coach, like you know, so trust me,

1733
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 6: those things matter in those conversations. Now, speaking specifically about

1734
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 6: the players, there is added pressure when you're a favorite.

1735
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 6: It's inescapable. And there is added flexibility we'll call it,

1736
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 6: when you're an underdog, because you don't you don't feel

1737
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 6: as hampered by the environment you're playing in. I've been

1738
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 6: on teams where we're losing and I'm like, what the

1739
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 6: hell is happening. We're better than these guys, right, And

1740
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,839
Speaker 6: that's a terrible feeling where you know you have the answers,

1741
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 6: but for whatever reason, the normal formula for success is

1742
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 6: not working when applied to this group and why and

1743
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,839
Speaker 6: the why is the hardest question to answer.

1744
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 4: When you're when the bullets are flying for real.

1745
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,560
Speaker 6: And then when you're an underdog and you take advantage,

1746
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 6: you take a lead, all of a sudden, there's this

1747
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 6: like almost false sense of confidence. It's like, hey, it's

1748
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 6: time to mount up, you know, let's go, let's go

1749
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 6: step on their next now, and you can start really

1750
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 6: feeling the momentum shift inside of a stadium when you're

1751
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 6: a dog and you're fighting and all of a sudden

1752
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 6: you find an edge. I think it's it's interesting in

1753
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl because the atmosphere itself is rather sterile,

1754
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 6: like it's a very corporate vibe for you know. And

1755
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 6: I've attended one Super Bowl, the one in LA between

1756
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 6: the Rams and the Bengals.

1757
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 7: I was sitting in the nosebleeds.

1758
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 8: But throughout the course of the game, I remember walking

1759
01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 8: around the stadium and I never got the sense of

1760
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 8: like it's a home field for any team, even though

1761
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 8: literally was the Rams home field in that game. I

1762
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 8: never got the sense that there was this like building

1763
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 8: momentum for the underdog, right the Rams were the favorite

1764
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 8: in that game Bengals, where the underdog Bengals have the

1765
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,600
Speaker 8: lead for a large majority of it, and then the

1766
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 8: Rams came back late and won it.

1767
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 7: I think to Brian's original point, the public.

1768
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 8: Narrative, I think it is just that I think it

1769
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:50,600
Speaker 8: is a narrative for maybe the coaches to harp on

1770
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 8: like Hey, for the Patriots especially Hey, no one thinks

1771
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 8: you can win in this game, like the weeks leading

1772
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 8: up to it.

1773
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 7: I think that's a talking point. But and again I can't.

1774
01:26:57,880 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 4: Speak to this.

1775
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 8: I've never been on the field for one of these games, obviously,

1776
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 8: But once the game starts, I don't know how much

1777
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 8: anyone really cares what side the public was on. I

1778
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 8: think it's it's it's mostly a narrative for us as

1779
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 8: content creators and as broadcasters to use as a launch

1780
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 8: point for the game, like how we frame the argument

1781
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,839
Speaker 8: of the game. But I think once the game starts,

1782
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 8: this is why handicapping can drive me nuts. And Brian,

1783
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 8: I know you're as someone who bets a lot, I

1784
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 8: know you understand this. We spend hours and hours and

1785
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 8: hours dissecting every single angle of a game, and then

1786
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 8: once the game starts, it is something completely different, and

1787
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 8: none of the research that we've done has any impact on.

1788
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,799
Speaker 7: What actually happens. Sometimes it does, and that's.

1789
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 8: When you feel very you know, it's very gratifying when

1790
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 8: you've done the research and it actually plays out in

1791
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 8: that way. But more often than not, a lot of

1792
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 8: the things that we talk about and and kind of

1793
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 8: harp on throughout this preamble, they don't really have a

1794
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 8: whole big impact on the game. So I think once

1795
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 8: the game starts, nobody's gonna give a who that everybody

1796
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 8: likes Seattle. It's gonna be who's playing, Well, what's the

1797
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 8: in game vibe? But right now, you know, twenty four

1798
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,799
Speaker 8: plus hours before the game, yeah, everyone's talking about Seattle,

1799
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:15,840
Speaker 8: and everyone's talking about how they're gonna win, and everyone

1800
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 8: thinks it's a foregone conclusion. But I just don't think

1801
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 8: when the game starts, it holds a whole lot of

1802
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 8: relevance to who wins.

1803
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 1: You know, there are a lot of instances I would

1804
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 1: agree with you, Jared, I'm not gonna agree with you

1805
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 1: with this game, and for a couple of reasons, where one,

1806
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 1: not everybody is wired like Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan's competitiveness

1807
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: was on another level. But we all know he would

1808
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: manufacture things to take personally, and it is like I

1809
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 1: took that personally, you know, like he was a competitive maniac.

1810
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of guys you go back to,

1811
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, Chris Purfett's with us, our technical producer extraordinaire

1812
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 1: Lions guy, Like you go back to Chris Spielman. One

1813
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: of my favorite stories. Chris Spielman, former Lions linebacker. He

1814
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: would make it up in his head that the opposing

1815
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:07,639
Speaker 1: offense was coming after his family, and he's, okay, you're

1816
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: coming after my family. It's on like that's what he

1817
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 1: would play these mind games with himself.

1818
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:16,600
Speaker 11: I heard christ fieldens bark on a broadcast one time, preseason,

1819
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 11: preseason Lions game before he got hired by the organization.

1820
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 11: He was doing color and he was just barking like

1821
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,639
Speaker 11: a dog on the broadcast talking about how linebackers acted.

1822
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 4: That.

1823
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: I can believe that one. But the point is that

1824
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:35,520
Speaker 1: a lot of athletes will make things up for added motivation.

1825
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 1: The Patriots don't have to make anything up. They have

1826
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: been not only doubted to win this game, their season

1827
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 1: has been reduced to a cake schedule and playoff luck

1828
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:49,960
Speaker 1: with injuries. That's all They're thought to be by a

1829
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 1: lot of people. If you're competitive on any level, that

1830
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 1: is going to stick with you, and we've seen it

1831
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 1: in these playoffs. Remember the game against the Texans. The

1832
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,800
Speaker 1: whole week it was all about the Texans defense and

1833
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,600
Speaker 1: many of the Patriots defensive players they came out and

1834
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: they were like yeah, yeah, we heard all that, like

1835
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,680
Speaker 1: we could play defense too. They took that personally. So

1836
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 1: I think two weeks a steady diet of not only

1837
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: Seattle's gonna win, Seattle might really win by a lot

1838
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,759
Speaker 1: of points. And the Patriots they're just a lucky team

1839
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 1: that's gotten some breaks and a cack schedule. If you're

1840
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 1: competitive on any level, that is going to stick with you.

1841
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: And I halfway agree with you, Jared. Where the game

1842
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 1: starts and the live bullets start flying and all of

1843
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: a sudden, you don't really remember all of the naysayers,

1844
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: that you're focused on doing your job and not screwing

1845
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 1: up and all those things. But the competitiveness that you

1846
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 1: have and all of this talk, I absolutely think that

1847
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 1: doesn't just go into thin air. You're gonna hold on

1848
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 1: to that, and you are absolutely gonna want to prove

1849
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 1: the doubters wrong and prove that you're legit. Like when

1850
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 1: you've been reduced to just a benefactor of a week's schedule,

1851
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, that's all you think of us. Really,

1852
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 1: they're here to prove many people wrong. I truly believe that.

1853
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:09,879
Speaker 6: And the messaging from a head coach uh to support

1854
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 6: that point will a lot of times need credibility to

1855
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:18,040
Speaker 6: make an argument. So if you're I don't know the

1856
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 6: Chiefs when they were popping off and you know, crushing

1857
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 6: and dominating, it's very difficult, you know, for Andy Reid

1858
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,920
Speaker 6: to legitimately stand in front of that group of men

1859
01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 6: and be like, nobody thinks you guys can do it

1860
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 6: when you're I don't know, six point favorite plus every

1861
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:37,320
Speaker 6: single game you play, and that's gonna be a tough sell.

1862
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 6: But when you do have an opportunity to use, like

1863
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 6: the spread, what the market is saying, the betting market

1864
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 6: is saying as as credibility to back the argument that

1865
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 6: nobody thinks we can win, all of a sudden, you

1866
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 6: have some you have you have actual numbers backing that

1867
01:31:57,760 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 6: notion in front of the team. Now it has to

1868
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:03,640
Speaker 6: be messaged effectively, and I know that Mike Rabel is

1869
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:05,160
Speaker 6: finding an effective message.

1870
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 4: He's a great orator, he is he's a great leader.

1871
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 6: He's played this game at the highest level and has

1872
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 6: had a massive amount of success. He's been a head

1873
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 6: coach at this level and he's had a tremendous amount

1874
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 6: of success there as well.

1875
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 4: Not discluding his time with the Tennessee Titans.

1876
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 6: You know, you look at what he's done in a

1877
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:27,520
Speaker 6: short order with the New England Patriots. It's it's fascinating

1878
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 6: how quickly he was able to turn around an organization

1879
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 6: that felt like they were left for dead after a

1880
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 6: quick visit by a former player and head coach in

1881
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 6: Gerrod Mayo. You know, I look at the situation now

1882
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 6: and I think to myself, like, yeah, it's it is.

1883
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:48,600
Speaker 6: It is hard to say that media types or fans,

1884
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 6: or any of the external conversation has an enormous impact

1885
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,759
Speaker 6: Jared on any of the outcomes, or for anybody who's

1886
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 6: kind of uninformed, you know, and I don't mean uninformed

1887
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:03,160
Speaker 6: like that. That's such a that's such a pejorative to

1888
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 6: put on anybody who hasn't played, because that's not true.

1889
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 6: You can have a lot of information, but if you

1890
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 6: haven't lived in it, haven't been inside of it. When

1891
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:15,959
Speaker 6: when the best comparison I can make is this an elephant.

1892
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 6: You see it out in the the you know, the

1893
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 6: planes of Africa. An elephant will flap its ears constantly,

1894
01:33:22,360 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 6: Why is it doing that? An elephant will like shake

1895
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 6: sections of its skin constantly, will wag its tail, constantly.

1896
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 4: Why is it doing that? It's not for fun.

1897
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 6: I mean, when you're in the wild, you're trying to

1898
01:33:32,479 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 6: conserve energies so that you can run from predators and

1899
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 6: you can live longer. So why would you spend energy

1900
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 6: flapping your ears. It's because flies are constantly buzzing. Now,

1901
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 6: is one fly gonna take down an elephant? No?

1902
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 4: Is a thousand flies gonna take down an elephant? No,

1903
01:33:50,680 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 4: it's ten thousand flies gonna take down an elephant. No,

1904
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 4: But will they bother an elephant? Hell? Yeah.

1905
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 6: So you're gonna flap your ears, You're gonna wag your tail,

1906
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 6: and you're gonna shake your skin because it's annoying.

1907
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 4: So when you're a football player and you.

1908
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 6: Spend all your time preparing and you ultimately have all

1909
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 6: the insidct because you're there, your boots cleats literally on

1910
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 6: the ground every day you're grinding it out. You know

1911
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 6: who you are, you know who your teammates are, you

1912
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:19,600
Speaker 6: know how good you are, You know your limitations, you

1913
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 6: know your strengths, you know your weakness is better than anybody.

1914
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 4: And you got to sit there and.

1915
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 6: Turn on one of these shows throughout the broadcast day,

1916
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 6: whether it's radio or television and listen to you know,

1917
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 6: and this is why I felt when I played and

1918
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 6: now I'm one of them. These idiots talk about that

1919
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 6: that they have literally zero insight on, as if they

1920
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 6: have the credibility to speak on it and pontificate to

1921
01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 6: the masses. It annoys you, and you do hear it

1922
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 6: and you are bothered by it. So every once in

1923
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:54,040
Speaker 6: a while, you'll see an elephant flap his ears at

1924
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 6: the media and be like, yeah, well that's because he

1925
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 6: don't know what he's talking about, you know what. All

1926
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 6: of a sudden, you'll see a tail wag and you

1927
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 6: be like and it's almost a winking and nod. It's like,

1928
01:35:02,520 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 6: we hear what you're doing. We see what you're doing.

1929
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 6: You just wait and see because you're not gonna hurt us,

1930
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 6: but we hear it. And so yeah, there is this

1931
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 6: feeling inside of a locker room, inside of a building

1932
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 6: when you're being counted out or there's a majority opinion

1933
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 6: that you can't do something where you don't need any

1934
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 6: extra motivation.

1935
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 4: You're like, well, we're about to go shock the world,

1936
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 4: you know.

1937
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 6: And it is a very much feeling of like it's

1938
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 6: all of us in this room who knows better and

1939
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:32,479
Speaker 6: we're about to prove them all wrong. And that is

1940
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:36,280
Speaker 6: an awesome feeling. It makes you feel more powerful when

1941
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 6: you have confidence like.

1942
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 8: That very well said, and that's why I am always

1943
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,480
Speaker 8: trying to take that into account when I give analysis,

1944
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:48,719
Speaker 8: because and it's actually funny that what Rich just said

1945
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 8: is the reason why I have changed my mindset on

1946
01:35:53,479 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 8: social media criticism over the years, because we get a

1947
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 8: lot of social media criticism from random people.

1948
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 7: You lose a bad you have a bad it, whatever.

1949
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 8: And I used to get really mad about it and

1950
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 8: really upset about it, and then I realized, wait a minute, Jared,

1951
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:10,440
Speaker 8: You're on national radio every week for three hours criticizing

1952
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 8: players and coaches. Yeah, yeah, it is, so who am

1953
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 8: I not accept the criticism from the peanut gallery that

1954
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:23,959
Speaker 8: I get from the outside world, And it's actually flipped.

1955
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 8: I actually welcome it now because it motivates me and

1956
01:36:27,240 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 8: it allows me to kind of see blind spots that

1957
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 8: maybe I don't always see. I don't always agree with it,

1958
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 8: but I again to Rich's point, the ears are flapping,

1959
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,680
Speaker 8: like I'm flapping the ears, and I'm kind of accepting

1960
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 8: that it's happening, and it's an annoyance, but it's not

1961
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 8: going to change my opinion. It's not going to change

1962
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,639
Speaker 8: my mindset. But what it's done is that it's allowed

1963
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 8: me to accept it more. And it also has changed

1964
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 8: the way that I criticize players and coaches when I

1965
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 8: do this job, because my goal is to inform and

1966
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 8: to educate and to entertain. It's not to be right

1967
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:59,600
Speaker 8: all the time. It's just to inform and educate and

1968
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 8: entertain from my perspective.

1969
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 7: Let's flip this narrative.

1970
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 8: Though, because we're talking a lot about how the Patriots

1971
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 8: feel like.

1972
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 7: They're counted out and this and that.

1973
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:11,040
Speaker 8: How do you approach it from the Seahawks side, where

1974
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:14,479
Speaker 8: you are supposed to win this game. Everybody is touting

1975
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 8: you and saying you're the best, and you're the greatest,

1976
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 8: and in your defense and this and that. How do

1977
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:22,960
Speaker 8: you temper those expectations? How do you put that chip

1978
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,680
Speaker 8: back on your shoulder for the most important game of

1979
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 8: the year when everybody thinks you've already won it and

1980
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 8: you have it yet It's a really tough one eighty

1981
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:33,120
Speaker 8: discussion to have.

1982
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:35,639
Speaker 1: Brian, Well, that's the thing is, it's all about doing

1983
01:37:35,680 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 1: your job. You know, like that's what the focus has

1984
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 1: to be. Because think about this, this is exactly what

1985
01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 1: Nick Saban has been talking about with rat poison. It

1986
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:47,040
Speaker 1: has been nothing but rat poison for two weeks for

1987
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:50,760
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, built up to be this goliath and oh yeah,

1988
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 1: there's clearly gonna win the game. They might win by

1989
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 1: you know, three four touchdowns. I've heard stuff like that

1990
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,800
Speaker 1: where yeah, it's a challenge to your point, it's a

1991
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 1: challenge to stayfaocused on what you have to do to

1992
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:04,160
Speaker 1: win the game instead.

1993
01:38:03,800 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 7: Of you know, it's the old school reading your.

1994
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 1: Own press clippings. You know, you could you could fall

1995
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 1: into that trap pretty easily if you're Seattle. You just

1996
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 1: can't allow yourself to do it. One thing I want

1997
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:16,599
Speaker 1: to say though, real fast is I hate when this

1998
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: comes up, and it comes up a lot with the

1999
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 1: Super Bowl where it's like, what they're not motivated to

2000
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 1: begin with to win the super Bowl. It's like, they're

2001
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 1: clearly motivated to win the Super Bowl whoever's playing in

2002
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. But most athletes do not have a

2003
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 1: switch to flip off, you know, like I'm just not

2004
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: going to pay attention to the naysayers, right, Like I'm

2005
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:41,519
Speaker 1: not going to pay attention to the critics who are

2006
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 1: doubting me and us far and wide. They typically don't

2007
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 1: they These are uber competitive athletes, and when they are

2008
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:57,240
Speaker 1: doubted with anything any capacity, they're like game freaking on.

2009
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: Let's go. It just harkens back to Super Bowl forty two.

2010
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 1: It's amazing. This is almost twenty years old, by the way,

2011
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: but remember when Plexico Burris, he was a member of

2012
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 1: the Giants, and he gave his prediction for the Super Bowl,

2013
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 1: and I think he said the Giants were gonna win

2014
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 1: twenty three to seventeen, and Tom Brady famously was like,

2015
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 1: We're only gonna score seventeen points, okay, And then Michael

2016
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 1: Strahan he talked about this on America's Game.

2017
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:23,639
Speaker 7: Check this out. I love this audio. We're only gonna

2018
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 7: score seventeen points.

2019
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:29,840
Speaker 10: Okay, sound practical. It's not giving us any credit for form.

2020
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:36,080
Speaker 10: Feel seventeen points that I think resonated with us. That

2021
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:41,080
Speaker 10: made us goull oh, okay, you're that confident. We'll see

2022
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:42,280
Speaker 10: right now now.

2023
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:46,840
Speaker 1: Granted, it hasn't been a Seahawks player doubting the Patriots,

2024
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 1: but there has been so much doubt. And that's the thing, man,

2025
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 1: these athletes, they're not just like ah, who are they?

2026
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:56,960
Speaker 1: What do they matter? It's like, oh, you're doubting us.

2027
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:00,880
Speaker 1: We are going to move mountains a tempting to prove

2028
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: you're wrong. And so I absolutely think these two weeks

2029
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:05,679
Speaker 1: leading up to the game matters for sure.

2030
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and think about what just.

2031
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 6: Happened there psychologically, So Plaxico Burris is annoyed at all

2032
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 6: the doubters who are saying that the Patriots are going

2033
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:19,760
Speaker 6: to pommel the Giants. Yeah, they're this undefeated team and

2034
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 6: their monsters. And he was like, well, what about our defense,

2035
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 6: what about our offense? What about what about our guy?

2036
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 6: You know the other manning like Eli's pretty good? You

2037
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 6: know what, we can't beat the Patriots? Yeah, you know

2038
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 6: at twenty three seventeen? How about that? How them apple

2039
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 6: stasts and all of a sudden that is read as

2040
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 6: doubt by Tom Brady, and he's using it to feel

2041
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 6: him we're only going to score seventeen points, laughing at

2042
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 6: the notion that this Giants defense.

2043
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 4: Can can handcuff in that way. And then it.

2044
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 6: Spins back to Strahan, who's like, oh that's how you

2045
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 6: feel about us?

2046
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean It is an.

2047
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 6: Unbelievable whirlwind of motivation and fuel wherever you can ascertain it,

2048
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 6: but to and really quick to get to the crux

2049
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 6: of how you motivate a team like the Seahawks, and

2050
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 6: Jared I thought it was really good idea to spin

2051
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 6: it around and look at it from the other paradigm

2052
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 6: and shift it. If you're Mike McDonald, you need to

2053
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 6: do what the best coaches do.

2054
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:24,960
Speaker 4: When the doors are.

2055
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:27,559
Speaker 6: Locked and the lights are off and you're turning on

2056
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 6: film of the New England Patriots, you talk about them

2057
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 6: like they're the monsters of Midway. They're gonna come. They're

2058
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 6: gonna snatch our souls. They're gonna steal our wives, They're

2059
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,799
Speaker 6: going to throw our kids in the river. This team

2060
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:44,640
Speaker 6: is out for blood. What are you gonna do to

2061
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:45,799
Speaker 6: defend what's.

2062
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 4: Important to you?

2063
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 6: The ball is the most important thing in your life

2064
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 6: on Sunday. If the literally the hopes and dreams of

2065
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 6: all of us in this room rely on that football

2066
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 6: and what happens between that one hundred and twenty fifty

2067
01:41:59,240 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 6: two and a half, you know this is it. For

2068
01:42:02,240 --> 01:42:04,880
Speaker 6: the rest of your life, you will be measured by

2069
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 6: how you treat that football.

2070
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:07,120
Speaker 4: You know, if you.

2071
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:11,439
Speaker 6: Can somehow take this game out of the ether and

2072
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 6: boil it down and distill it to what's at hand, well,

2073
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:15,679
Speaker 6: that's when.

2074
01:42:15,479 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 4: You get your troops motivated.

2075
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 6: That's how even though you're the favorite and the presumed winner,

2076
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 6: you can still get the best out of your men.

2077
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 6: It's hard to do, but the best coaches can do it.

2078
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 7: Well, all right.

2079
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 1: That is Rich Orenberger, Penn State All American. Jared Smith

2080
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 1: with us FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian, No. Have you

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2086
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Speaker 1: Coming up next. Both of these decisions did not work

2087
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 1: out well at all. But which decision was worse?

2088
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2089
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2099
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 1: So in a couple of minutes, we'll get to extended

2100
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:33,040
Speaker 1: prop betting talk, right Like, there are literally thousands to

2101
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 1: select from, and so we got to give it a

2102
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,120
Speaker 1: little bit more time here. But I was thinking about

2103
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 1: this too. If you compare Sam Donald and Mike Vrabel, Okay,

2104
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:46,519
Speaker 1: these were two bad decisions. They did not work out

2105
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 1: well at all. But which was the worst of the

2106
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 1: two decisions? Would you say it's the Vikings releasing Sam

2107
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 1: Donald or the Titans firing Mike Vrabel? Which would you

2108
01:43:58,160 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 1: go with?

2109
01:43:58,439 --> 01:43:58,880
Speaker 4: There? Rich?

2110
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:00,200
Speaker 3: Who?

2111
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 4: Man?

2112
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 6: That is such a difficult question to answer because the

2113
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 6: context was so.

2114
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 4: Different in both of the circumstances.

2115
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:14,240
Speaker 6: But if I were to choose one worse than the other,

2116
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:19,720
Speaker 6: I would say, and this isn't recency biased, and I'll

2117
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:23,160
Speaker 6: explain why in a second, but I'll say Donald being

2118
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 6: released by the Vikings and now the reality is when

2119
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 6: you have a special player who's playing great football regardless

2120
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,640
Speaker 6: of the circumstances. I've always felt like this is a

2121
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 6: player's game. Coaches and executives don't win football games, and

2122
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 6: Sam Donald proved that he can win you football games.

2123
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 6: And I think Kevin O'Connell saw that, and I think

2124
01:44:49,400 --> 01:44:53,600
Speaker 6: he really appreciated what what Sam Donald was able to

2125
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 6: do inside of his offensive system. And I think if

2126
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 6: it were strictly up to Kevin O'Connell, I bet you

2127
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 6: Sam Donald stays. Now, when you have executives and a

2128
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 6: lot of other differing opinions inside a building, that really

2129
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:09,640
Speaker 6: get into the stew and try to make it a

2130
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 6: full meal and a full menu. Yeah, obviously you spent

2131
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 6: this draft capital on this player, and you know the

2132
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:21,559
Speaker 6: list of excuses start pouring down the pipeline. Yeah, you know,

2133
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:25,120
Speaker 6: it's one of those things where you can see how

2134
01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:28,679
Speaker 6: you get to. Ultimately the decision they made, it doesn't

2135
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:31,040
Speaker 6: mean it was the right one. And yeah, I guess

2136
01:45:31,080 --> 01:45:34,719
Speaker 6: if we spun back the clock and we evaluated everything

2137
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:37,040
Speaker 6: happening with the Tennessee Titans at the time, we can

2138
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 6: make all the arguments why Mike Rabel should stay, but

2139
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 6: I think there were louder arguments as to why the

2140
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 6: culture needed a change at the moment. And the biggest

2141
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 6: argument I heard that made the most sense to me

2142
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 6: for him losing his job was he was feuding with

2143
01:45:51,160 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 6: ownership and with executives. And when you don't play well

2144
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:59,599
Speaker 6: in the sandbox with your coworkers, that can poison an environment,

2145
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 6: and players will, if they hadn't already, eventually feel that.

2146
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:06,320
Speaker 6: And you don't want infighting. You want to be a

2147
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 6: united front. It's like parenting in some ways. And I

2148
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 6: make these parallels all the time coaching. Being a great

2149
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:15,600
Speaker 6: coach is kind of like being a great parent. You know,

2150
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:19,799
Speaker 6: the tough love stuff, you know, the unabashed, hard truths

2151
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 6: that you face criticism and love. You know, you often

2152
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,800
Speaker 6: talk about your your teammates as your brothers or your

2153
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 6: football team as your family. That's real, it feels real,

2154
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 6: and and those bonds laft last a lifetime. I mean,

2155
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 6: some of my groomsmen were former teammates. I mean, it's

2156
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:38,880
Speaker 6: just how it goes like these are some of the

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01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,519
Speaker 6: most trusted people in your life. So I digress on

2158
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 6: that to talk about Vrabel specifically, if the well is

2159
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:48,759
Speaker 6: poisoned because you can't get along and unite as a front.

2160
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:53,280
Speaker 6: Front off is head coach, coaching staff, and then where

2161
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:57,599
Speaker 6: our role is to oversee these players, then a change

2162
01:46:57,640 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 6: needs to be made, and I think the Tennessee Titans

2163
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:02,400
Speaker 6: essential we made the right change then. So I would

2164
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,240
Speaker 6: say the worst decision is Sam Donald being released by

2165
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:05,839
Speaker 6: the Vikings.

2166
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 7: They're both really bad guys. It's really hard. We're threading

2167
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:12,439
Speaker 7: the needle here.

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01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:16,879
Speaker 8: But I will say this, it is a dual argument.

2169
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 8: Right one side is politics. The other side I think

2170
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:26,240
Speaker 8: is potential. With Vrabel, it's politics. He hated John Robinson,

2171
01:47:26,240 --> 01:47:28,599
Speaker 8: the guy who traded aj Brown away, couldn't stand him,

2172
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:30,800
Speaker 8: wanted to get rid of him. When they finally did

2173
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 8: get rid of him, he wanted his guy to be

2174
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 8: pushed into the GM role, kind of a power grab,

2175
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 8: someone who was aligned with Rabel's thoughts. They went with

2176
01:47:39,479 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 8: Ran Carthon instead, which was not a great decision because

2177
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,200
Speaker 8: he's not the GM of the team anymore either. So

2178
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:48,800
Speaker 8: the decision like it was kind of a it was

2179
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 8: kind of like a hey, we're gonna get rid of Robinson,

2180
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 8: and Raper was like, great, let's put this guy who

2181
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,559
Speaker 8: was loyal to me, who I like in the GM

2182
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 8: role that didn't work out, and that was kind of

2183
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 8: the writing on the wall that the relationship was about

2184
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,160
Speaker 8: to end. And then he went to the Patriots Hall

2185
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 8: of Fame ceremony that the owner didn't like. And then again,

2186
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 8: as Rich alluded to, there was a lot of politics

2187
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:12,320
Speaker 8: happening behind the scenes where the team just needed a

2188
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,599
Speaker 8: fresh start. They had a brutal season, is last year

2189
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 8: in Nashville and it was time for a fresh start,

2190
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:19,440
Speaker 8: whereas the Donald situation was all about potential.

2191
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 7: Right we talked about his road.

2192
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 8: He went from San Francisco, learned under Shanahan that one year,

2193
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:27,679
Speaker 8: then signed a one year deal with Minnesota the same

2194
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 8: spring that they drafted JJ McCarty. McCarthy gets hurt first.

2195
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 8: I think it was the first preseason game out for

2196
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 8: the year. Donald has a great season, wins fourteen games,

2197
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:41,160
Speaker 8: then he flames out in the playoffs, and now he's

2198
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 8: a free agent and he probably went back to Minnesota

2199
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:45,519
Speaker 8: and said, hey, this is what I want. Three years

2200
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:47,679
Speaker 8: right around one hundred mil. That's what he got from Seattle,

2201
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 8: and Minnesota's like, we got this JJ McCarty kid, who

2202
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:52,160
Speaker 8: we kind of like, and we don't want to give

2203
01:48:52,200 --> 01:48:54,040
Speaker 8: you three years because that means that we've got to

2204
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:57,840
Speaker 8: kind of push his rookie deal off the path, which

2205
01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:00,599
Speaker 8: means we're committed to Sam Donald for this higher duration

2206
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:03,760
Speaker 8: instead of giving McCarthy the reps. So they designed to

2207
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 8: go with the potential of JJ. McCarthy didn't work out, right,

2208
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 8: And maybe he does improve. It's still early in that process,

2209
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 8: but right now it's obvious that McCarthy situation hasn't worked out.

2210
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 8: So I think both of the decisions were kind of

2211
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 8: baked from different reasonings.

2212
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,080
Speaker 7: But if I had to pick one that was really bad,

2213
01:49:22,840 --> 01:49:25,160
Speaker 7: I mean JJ McCarthy. Guys.

2214
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:28,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like, I think I agree with Rich here. Now,

2215
01:49:28,760 --> 01:49:32,720
Speaker 8: don't get me wrong, they're both very bad decisions in hindsight, right,

2216
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:35,320
Speaker 8: I think the McCarty one is worse because it's a player,

2217
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 8: And as Rich said, I agree that the game is.

2218
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:39,200
Speaker 7: Won on the field with players.

2219
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:42,400
Speaker 1: It depends how you break it down, like which decision

2220
01:49:42,479 --> 01:49:46,880
Speaker 1: was worse, Vikings releasing Darnold or Titans firing Vrabel or

2221
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 1: as Tiffany Hattish said, Mike verbal, Mike verb, Mike verbal.

2222
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 1: But you know whatever, we all screw up names from

2223
01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 1: time to time, no big deal. But with Rabel, I

2224
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:02,559
Speaker 1: thought at the it made way more sense for the

2225
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 1: Vikings to move on from Donald than it made for

2226
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 1: the Titans to move on from Vrabel, because if you

2227
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:11,840
Speaker 1: looked at we said, this is like one year ago,

2228
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,680
Speaker 1: you know where Sam Donald was wetting himself in the

2229
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 1: two biggest games of the entire season, went against the

2230
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:20,200
Speaker 1: Lions final game of the regular season and then the

2231
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:23,360
Speaker 1: playoff game against the Rams. He was freaking brutal and

2232
01:50:23,400 --> 01:50:26,839
Speaker 1: you had a top ten pick with JJ McCarthy. Now

2233
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 1: you see how this season played out. Donald was pretty good,

2234
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:35,679
Speaker 1: great against the Rams last week, and then like JJ

2235
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 1: McCarthy was the opposite of that.

2236
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 4: You know.

2237
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 1: So, but at the time you're thinking, hey, Kevin O'Connell's

2238
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:44,679
Speaker 1: kind of like a quarterback whisperer over here, you know Donald,

2239
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 1: What had Donald done ever in the NFL before he

2240
01:50:48,120 --> 01:50:51,360
Speaker 1: got to the Vikings with Kevin O'Connell, So it made

2241
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:55,400
Speaker 1: sense like, well, maybe this guy will be as productive

2242
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 1: with JJ McCarthy, or similarly, it made sense at the

2243
01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:02,120
Speaker 1: time one year in it certainly has not played out

2244
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:05,120
Speaker 1: that way, and it looks like a brain dead decision.

2245
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:07,639
Speaker 1: I think it made a lot more sense at the time.

2246
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 1: I didn't think it made sense to move on from

2247
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel, Like that's just bad ownership. Really, Like to

2248
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:15,759
Speaker 1: Rich's point, there was some fighting, they were clashing heads.

2249
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:18,280
Speaker 1: The whole thing. That had more to do with ownership

2250
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:21,160
Speaker 1: being bad than Mike Vrabel not being a good coach.

2251
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 1: Like look at them now, like year one with the Patriots,

2252
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:26,880
Speaker 1: they went from thirteen losses in each of the last

2253
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 1: two seasons to fourteen wins and a Super Bowl appearance.

2254
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:33,639
Speaker 1: It's like Titans just have horrible ownership. You know, they

2255
01:51:33,680 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 1: went three and fourteen the last two years without Vrabel,

2256
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:39,160
Speaker 1: Like each of the last two years they've been three

2257
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 1: and fourteen, three and fourteen. The last year of Rabel

2258
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:44,679
Speaker 1: was with the Titans. That was Will Levis's rookie season,

2259
01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, and they kicked him to the curb at

2260
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 1: I think as a horrible decision. If I had to

2261
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:51,840
Speaker 1: break the tie, I would say firing Vrabel was the

2262
01:51:51,880 --> 01:51:53,840
Speaker 1: worst of the two. We got a little bit of

2263
01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,400
Speaker 1: time for the Super Bowl prop bets and anything exotic,

2264
01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:00,680
Speaker 1: anything that you haven't mentioned yet that you like that

2265
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:02,240
Speaker 1: you want to talk about real quick.

2266
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:06,600
Speaker 6: Rich, You know, if there's anything off the top of

2267
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 6: my head, you know. Actually it's more of a question

2268
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:10,280
Speaker 6: than it is a prop that I want to bet,

2269
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:13,639
Speaker 6: and it's one that I think a lot of people

2270
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:16,880
Speaker 6: have curiosities about. I'm curious if you or Jared ever

2271
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:19,559
Speaker 6: bet it. And this is really one of the ones

2272
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:21,479
Speaker 6: that has nothing to do with the game at all.

2273
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:23,120
Speaker 4: The national anthem.

2274
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:28,720
Speaker 6: Okay, no boy, there are people who pregame constantly, are

2275
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:33,160
Speaker 6: tweeting out the timing of the practice round, so to speak.

2276
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 6: Has that ever affluent you know, I mean, has that

2277
01:52:36,920 --> 01:52:40,880
Speaker 6: ever effectively influenced where you can actually wager that and

2278
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 6: proven that you could get an edge on something like

2279
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 6: that I'm talking about for people want to make a

2280
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:47,479
Speaker 6: quick buck, don't really have a dog in the fight,

2281
01:52:47,640 --> 01:52:49,680
Speaker 6: maybe don't even watch football, but they want to get

2282
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:50,919
Speaker 6: in on the action somehow.

2283
01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:54,080
Speaker 8: So here's what I'll say about the anthem props. They're

2284
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:57,680
Speaker 8: not available for betting in the States. You have to

2285
01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:02,400
Speaker 8: fuck them in far away lands. And typically from my experience,

2286
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:06,160
Speaker 8: from my experience betting them, you.

2287
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:08,040
Speaker 7: Can't get down a lot of money on them.

2288
01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:10,720
Speaker 8: Like I remember one year, I was like, Hey, I'm

2289
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:12,479
Speaker 8: gonna bet all the you know, I got some good information.

2290
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:14,719
Speaker 8: Crack usually have some good information from his people about

2291
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:16,280
Speaker 8: the timing of it, and they have people that are

2292
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:18,519
Speaker 8: basically staked out in front of the you know, in

2293
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:21,000
Speaker 8: front of the stadium while the practices are going on.

2294
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 8: You can only bet like one hundred bucks on it,

2295
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:25,559
Speaker 8: so it's just or even less than that at certain spots.

2296
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:29,759
Speaker 8: So it's not something where the big heavy professional money

2297
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:31,760
Speaker 8: really gives a hoot because you just can't get down

2298
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 8: a whole lot on it. In terms of exotic prop

2299
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,040
Speaker 8: bets that I personally like betting.

2300
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:38,559
Speaker 7: So here's what I like doing.

2301
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:40,960
Speaker 8: I like writing my gamescript, and then I like trying

2302
01:53:41,000 --> 01:53:44,519
Speaker 8: to find ways to bet on that game script in

2303
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:46,960
Speaker 8: the most efficient way possible. Here's a great example. Let's

2304
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:49,400
Speaker 8: say you're someone who really likes Seattle to win the game,

2305
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 8: but you don't want to lay four and a half points,

2306
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:53,320
Speaker 8: you don't want to lay minus two thirty on the

2307
01:53:53,320 --> 01:53:56,320
Speaker 8: money line. Well, there are other ways to bet Seattle

2308
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:58,920
Speaker 8: to win the game based off of the game script

2309
01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 8: that are cheaper. For examp, we'll Seattle have the most

2310
01:54:02,040 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 8: first downs in the game. That's minus one forty. Well,

2311
01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:07,920
Speaker 8: Seattle's minus two thirty to win the game, and odds

2312
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:10,559
Speaker 8: are if they win the game, probably going to have

2313
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:13,799
Speaker 8: the most first downs, most offensive plays. Is also priced

2314
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,720
Speaker 8: around minus one forty. These are just ways that I

2315
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:19,679
Speaker 8: like to get down on a team if I think

2316
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:23,880
Speaker 8: they're going to win in the most cost efficient way possible.

2317
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:27,479
Speaker 8: The other interesting one will both team score in the

2318
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:28,120
Speaker 8: first quarter.

2319
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:31,040
Speaker 7: That's a no for me. Punts.

2320
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 8: I like the over on punts in the game. Here's

2321
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:37,080
Speaker 8: a here's a great way to, you know, impress your

2322
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:38,480
Speaker 8: friends at your Super Bowl party.

2323
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:39,200
Speaker 7: Say that you're.

2324
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:40,960
Speaker 8: Betting the over on punts in the game and see

2325
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 8: what their face looks like. You say, yeah, So these

2326
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 8: are just kind of fun, little kirky ways.

2327
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 3: Right.

2328
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:48,120
Speaker 8: We think it's a low scoring game, so bet the

2329
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 8: game script that aligns with what you think.

2330
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's weird. This might be a little counterintuitive. I

2331
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a very low scoring game. But

2332
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 1: there was one exotic on pet MGM that caught my attention.

2333
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 1: Each quarter back to pass for fifteen plus yards each quarter.

2334
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 7: Oh wow, it's at.

2335
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:08,840
Speaker 1: Plus one ten, So it's actually a slight underdog to get.

2336
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 7: Yeah, I like that.

2337
01:55:10,040 --> 01:55:12,800
Speaker 1: Actually, you know, it's a good one. You think fifteen

2338
01:55:12,920 --> 01:55:16,760
Speaker 1: passing yards in a quarter. That's not a whole lot

2339
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:20,000
Speaker 1: of time, right, Yeah, it could be just one and

2340
01:55:20,040 --> 01:55:23,320
Speaker 1: you're good. It'd be a tough sweat to go on

2341
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 1: the other side, Like they won't get there, but that's

2342
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 1: according to the odds. There's actually a better chance, like

2343
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:30,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't get there. But I mean think about that,

2344
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:34,160
Speaker 1: like what could go wrong. Let's say the first quarter

2345
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:37,120
Speaker 1: is the most likely quarter where a quarterback wouldn't reach

2346
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:40,120
Speaker 1: fifteen passing yards. One team gets the ball, it's a

2347
01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 1: long sustained drive. The other team gets the ball, they

2348
01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:45,280
Speaker 1: go three and out or something like that, or they

2349
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 1: run the ball a decent amount, pick up a first down,

2350
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:49,880
Speaker 1: but they don't throw it, and you just don't get

2351
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:51,840
Speaker 1: there in a particular quarter. But I think there's a

2352
01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:54,320
Speaker 1: good chance that we get there in each quarter.

2353
01:55:54,440 --> 01:55:54,600
Speaker 4: Right.

2354
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 1: That's a fun one, though a little exotic. I like

2355
01:55:57,840 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 1: that one.

2356
01:55:58,200 --> 01:56:00,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that a lot of the punts.

2357
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:03,600
Speaker 6: I was thinking about that too, like, like one of

2358
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:07,760
Speaker 6: the my favorite props on this game is who will

2359
01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 6: have the.

2360
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:10,600
Speaker 4: Most total gross punt yardage?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and that's that's a fun I like the yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I like the pats.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Rampant fire.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jared, we start with you straight off a

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Speaker 1: zero and zero week because we had Super Bowl picks.

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Speaker 7: Right, what do you have for us? Undefeated?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 7: I didn't lose the bet last week.

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Speaker 8: Mac Collins over twenty five and a half receiving yard

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Speaker 8: Shamus gave this out on the reception side earlier in

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Speaker 8: the show.

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Speaker 7: Love this matchup.

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Speaker 8: So the Seahawks run a lot of too high safety

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Speaker 8: is about seventy eight percent of snaps. Hollins with a

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Speaker 8: twenty percent target shair against too high this year. So

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Speaker 8: we like to align our becks with what we think.

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Speaker 8: The gamescript is going to be. Seahawks team told under

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Speaker 8: twenty five and a half. We think it's gonna be

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Speaker 8: a low scoring game. We like the dogs out of

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Speaker 8: the market. That means Seattle's not gonna score as many

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Speaker 8: points as we expect. Under twenty five and a half.

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Speaker 8: Team total for the Seahawks.

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Speaker 6: And the Patriots plus four and a half reduced juice

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Speaker 6: at bet MGM, you get this at even odds.

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Speaker 8: I love this wager. We think it's gonna be a

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Speaker 8: close game, the points will matter. I'll take the Pats

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Speaker 8: plus four and a half.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I'm again following the same logic, game script being

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Speaker 6: really important to this first bet. I got the Patriots

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Speaker 6: with the longest punt gross yardage. I'm taking the Pats

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Speaker 6: because I think they're going to be forced into longer

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Speaker 6: third down situations, playing single high, getting an extra body

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Speaker 6: in the box. I think Seattle is gonna say, hey,

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Speaker 6: we're gonna lose. It's gonna be because Drake may beats us,

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Speaker 6: and I'm not sure that he can. So I think

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Speaker 6: the Patriots are gonna be punting more than the Seahawks

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Speaker 6: give me them, getting more gross punt yardage. Seattle Seahawks

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Speaker 6: first team to make a field goal. I also think

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Speaker 6: this is going to another key watch Kenneth Walker start

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Speaker 6: gaining some positive ground in the first quarter, getting them close,

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Speaker 6: but no Cigar have to settle for a.

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Speaker 4: Myers field goal.

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Speaker 6: And I'm taking over seventy and a half yards with

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Speaker 6: Kenneth Walker. We talked about that earlier. I'm taking the

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Speaker 6: receiving and the rushing crop. I'll take the rushing crop

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Speaker 6: in the over.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, good stuff. I'm gonna go with the

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Speaker 1: under for the game. Love that the most Seahawks Patriots

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Speaker 1: give me under forty five and a half. I think

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Speaker 1: both defenses have the advantage. I see a lower scoring game.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if one point team gets the twenty. Really,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It might be that low scoring. Give

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Speaker 1: me the Patriots plus four and a half. I just

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Speaker 1: think they're being slept on. I just think they've been

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Speaker 1: reduced to a team that played a cake schedule and

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Speaker 1: got some lucky breaks. They're way more than that, so

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Speaker 1: I love them plus four and a half. Give me

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Speaker 1: Pop Douglas under nine and a half receiving yards. Someone's

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Speaker 1: gonna be left out. I say it's Pop