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Speaker 1: On September tenth in Las Vegas, Nevada, in the main

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Speaker 1: event of UFC two seventy nine, one of the most

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Speaker 1: iconic and important figures, Franklin in UFC history, will make

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Speaker 1: his presumed swan song. Yes, Nate Diaz will face Hamzat

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Speaker 1: SHAMAIAV in a welterweight pay per view main event, and

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Speaker 1: it might just be the last fight that you ever

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Speaker 1: see one Nathan Diaz take, at least inside of the

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Speaker 1: UFC's octagon. But before that happens, BC, we decided to

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Speaker 1: take a look back down the road and have a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a reflection on the resume of Nate Daz.

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Speaker 1: So here is your morning Combat Nate Diaz resume review.

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Speaker 1: That's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas BC. When I say

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Speaker 1: the word Nate Diaz, what comes to mind?

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Speaker 2: So you can't say nads without saying younger brothers Nick

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Speaker 2: Diaz for Diaz Armory. But when I think of Nate,

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Speaker 2: I think two o nine, I think the Stockton slap.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 2: Bloodied, celebrating after beating Connor McGregor in their first fight,

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Speaker 2: not surprised, mother effort, iconic, yes, but maybe the first

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Speaker 2: real sort of anti hero UFC celebrity fighter and sort

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Speaker 2: of you know, he doesn't get there even with the

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Speaker 3: Without the two fights with Connor McGregor.

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Speaker 2: But he's also much more than when he reached the

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Speaker 2: pay per view level. There as fun a career to

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Speaker 2: go up and down as I can remember that we've

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Speaker 2: done with this project and the guy who's timeless, and

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Speaker 2: at thirty seven, he's still in a very big fight.

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Speaker 2: I know the circumstances in this one, with his last

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Speaker 2: fight in the contract couldn't be more unique or weird

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Speaker 2: being served up to maybe the next big thing. But

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Speaker 2: when you rewatch what he did, does it give you

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Speaker 2: more confidence for what he might be able to do

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Speaker 1: So glad you mentioned that it actually does a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be kind of crazy to not pick

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Speaker 1: Hams at Chamaiah, But I think if you don't get,

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Speaker 1: if you can't you can't look at Nate Diaz's record,

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Speaker 1: You can't go through the fights in the way that

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Speaker 1: we have to prepare for this and not come out

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Speaker 1: with just a general sense of respect, but a general

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Speaker 1: sense of this guy's ability to perform, even when the

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Speaker 1: and we've got to bear witness to it in the

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Speaker 1: course of doing our research. I want to remind everyone

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Speaker 1: here this was labor of love for us. We really

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Speaker 1: wanted to do this one for a long time, waiting

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Speaker 1: for the right opportunity. I think this is it. And

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Speaker 1: see one thing that really take away from this before

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Speaker 1: we begin looking at his journey with his first winning

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Speaker 1: fans maybe to discover who he was. There'll be points

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Speaker 1: which is just impossible to imagine today, but it did happen.

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Speaker 1: He's been through a lot in his career.

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Speaker 2: He's had a couple of meandering seasons of time off,

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Speaker 2: or a couple of losses at Welterwait that sort of

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Speaker 2: redefined who he might be, but if you're going to

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Speaker 2: be a timeless character, you've got to be able to

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Speaker 2: Never an easy out. You're gonna have to kill him.

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Speaker 3: To get a win.

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Speaker 2: In his book against him, I mean, he doesn't consider

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Speaker 3: You got to take it to him and.

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Speaker 2: Stop him, by the way, very few have been able

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Speaker 2: first of all, when did he stop being nick das

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Speaker 1: That's right, But I'm trying to think of he became

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: Nick says his brother said that Nate turned down a

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Speaker 2: if you get that opportunity again, you got to be there. Well,

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Speaker 2: here we are season five. Nate's not only in it,

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Speaker 1: He certainly does so. The day June twenty third, two

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Speaker 1: he loses the first round and he had it's it's

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Speaker 3: This is an exhibition against Gray.

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Speaker 2: But I think this fight may have been the first

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Speaker 2: Even with the injury ending here, and even with a

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Speaker 1: And again he can lose fights and then find ways

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Speaker 1: It's an anti climactic win for Nate. But BC, if

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Speaker 2: Look, when you're gonna fight Nadias under really any era,

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Speaker 2: and this is a more younger, less evolved era of

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Speaker 3: Here, he's going to test your cardo.

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Speaker 2: He's going to test your grappling skills because look, I

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Speaker 2: mean he almost pulled off an olmal plata here to

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Speaker 3: But once he shot with the double leg, it was over.

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Speaker 1: It was over. He becomes the season five winner. It's

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Speaker 1: something that when Bruce Buffer whoever would introduce him in

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Speaker 2: I didn't do the math with Gamburian being a connection

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Speaker 2: So it's a great early Nate kind of salty quote.

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Speaker 2: And now you can see the tension there. But he

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Speaker 3: Man, I don't recommend it, to be honest. He was

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Speaker 3: End up teaming with Kenny Florian in Boston and team

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Speaker 2: But this is a very competitive fight and something I

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Speaker 2: Nate Diez physically. He's a kind of a freakish lightweight

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Speaker 3: Yet kind of perfect for this one fifty five pound division.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is the first time. I mean, it's kind

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Speaker 1: the people Nate Diaz has ever flipped off in his life,

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Speaker 2: And you can see that early character come out with that,

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Speaker 1: He likes to stick it to the wrestlers in particular,

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Speaker 2: Outstanding performance by a young Nadez, but interesting. Pel Agrino

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Speaker 1: That's exactly correct. But again also Nate Diaz just being

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Speaker 2: Could have fueled the middle finger of Pelgrino trying to

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Speaker 1: But also he'd been moved him mount I mean, Diaz,

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Speaker 1: go watch the fight like, I'll fight pass Diaz. It

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Speaker 2: At some point after round one is like the defense

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Speaker 1: Up, getting He was losing for sure, but a tremendous,

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Speaker 2: What do you make for being such a character in

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Speaker 3: For the Michael Johnson one, which we'll get to because

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Speaker 2: His first answer is shouting out his brother, shouting out

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Speaker 1: It's perhaps the one constant throughout the course of his career.

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Speaker 1: Every single post fight he's shouting out the exact same guys.

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Speaker 1: Now we move on. He has a few more fights.

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Speaker 1: They go up and down. He does submit, Melvyn Gallard

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Speaker 1: January eleventh of twenty ten in Fairfax, Virginia. This was

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Speaker 1: UFC Fight Night Maynard versus Diaz. Here he is headlining

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Speaker 1: full on Fight Night card. Funny story, BC, I was

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Speaker 1: Actually did a postfight show at the time for one

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Speaker 1: oh six to seven.

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Speaker 3: The fan was that during the time that they played

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Speaker 1: Yes, or is that Matty years a little bit after

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Speaker 1: But at any event, it was a rematch with Grey Maynard,

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Speaker 2: So he had tapped Gray Maynard out in round two,

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Speaker 2: And you know, Maynard said before and I love these

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Speaker 3: Nate saying, you know, good luck.

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Speaker 2: If you're a wrestler or whatever you call these guys,

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Speaker 3: But yet, here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: Nate still had the physical advantages I'm talking about early

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Speaker 2: eventually trapping him. This time, not only did Maynard keep

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Speaker 2: make of Nate, Who's showing us early that stocked in

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Speaker 1: In this is and I remember by the way, the

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Speaker 2: It would go down as a split decision twenty nine

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Speaker 2: But look, he didn't take out that revenge as brutal

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Speaker 3: But he did enough to win. But it wasn't overly,

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Speaker 1: No, and I don't think that there was a lot

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Speaker 1: The Kurk Pilargreno win was good. The Melviglard win was good.

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Speaker 1: who got the biggest pop of everyone was also and

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Speaker 1: so he decides to go back to Walter Way. That

435
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Speaker 1: goes to Rory Mark, who is a good fighter, I think,

436
00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,120
Speaker 1: briefly out of the militach era at UFC one eleven

437
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Speaker 1: over in Newark, New Jersey. He wins this one walking away,

438
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Speaker 1: but it actually wasn't the one that I thought was

439
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Speaker 1: the most interesting one. It's the one after that. Well,

440
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Speaker 1: he takes on Marcus Davis in Boston, Massachusetts. This guy

441
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Speaker 1: five the night at UFC one eighteen August twenty eighth,

442
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Speaker 1: twenty ten. The reason why I picked this one BC

443
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Speaker 1: is because the Mark Them one to me was not

444
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Speaker 1: a walkover, but not a real test. Marcus Davis was

445
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Speaker 1: something of a much better test, I thought at that time.

446
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Speaker 1: Plus it's in Boston. I encourage all UFC fans who

447
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Speaker 1: may not believe this to be true. Diaz gets booed

448
00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,280
Speaker 1: and chance of Diaz sucks ring out in Boston the

449
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Speaker 1: entire time in favor of Marcus.

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Speaker 2: Days Dams from Maine, so close by New England guy,

451
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Speaker 2: but look had been known as you know, he had

452
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Speaker 2: some pro boxy fights. He was known as as a

453
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Speaker 2: as a tough ass fighter. But at thirty seven, Luke,

454
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Speaker 2: he had lost two of three coming.

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Speaker 1: In, Yes he had. But Marcus Davis also with Team

456
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Speaker 1: Sityo Tong out of Boston there, so he was kind

457
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Speaker 1: of the unofficial hometown guy. He was also known as

458
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Speaker 1: the Irish hand Grenade. And to me, MEBC, here's my

459
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Speaker 1: takeaway from this fight. This was the first time, especially

460
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Speaker 1: at one seventy, where I was like, Okay, Diaz is

461
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Speaker 1: boxing is starting to get good. Marcus Davis at the

462
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Speaker 1: time had a reputation as a guy who had previous

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Speaker 1: boxing experience. They talk it up constantly in the fight.

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Speaker 1: It was something that was known about Marcus Davis when

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Speaker 1: he was competing at that era.

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Speaker 3: Good record as a probole.

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Speaker 1: He actually he actually had a pretty decent record, and

468
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Speaker 1: Nate Diaz gave him the business. I thought Marcus Davis

469
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Speaker 1: had a huge problem to get navigating that distance the

470
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Speaker 1: entire time. Look at the face now, of course, you

471
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Speaker 1: know Diaz always bleeds. Look at the face of Marcus

472
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Speaker 1: Davis to the point where his right eye. The doctor

473
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Speaker 1: had to come and look at it. I don't even

474
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Speaker 1: know how he was able to see out of it.

475
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Speaker 1: Nate Diaz worked him.

476
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Speaker 2: Over, yeah, and it was a lot of taunting early

477
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Speaker 2: in this fight, and they got after it right off

478
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Speaker 2: the opening thing. But it was weird, not only to

479
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Speaker 2: get boot as we mentioned there were Diaz sucks chants

480
00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,360
Speaker 2: that broke out during that, but this is what Nate

481
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Speaker 2: can do as striking.

482
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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: It's weird because this is his second fight after moving

484
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Speaker 2: up to Welchroit. Yet he still had a six inch

485
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Speaker 2: reach advantage which he used here and he badly bruised

486
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Speaker 2: up that right eye. As we talked about it would

487
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Speaker 2: be after this would have finantially became a dead end

488
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Speaker 2: at Weltzer Wait, where once he did not have that

489
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Speaker 2: reach and height advantage.

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Speaker 3: Luke, it was a different story. This was maybe the

491
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Speaker 3: last fight in this way class year where he enjoyed it.

492
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Speaker 3: It looked more like a lightweight fight for him.

493
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Speaker 2: He was able to control the distance and his offense

494
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Speaker 2: when he's starting to go downhill, and he can visually

495
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Speaker 2: see you either succumbing to the fatigue or seeing the

496
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Speaker 2: damage breakout in your face, he's doing DS stuff. He's

497
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Speaker 2: pointing every time he lands a big shot. And how

498
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Speaker 2: about Joe Rogan attacking that referees orm Sorry the doctor

499
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Speaker 2: ringside doctor who came in about it here, He's like, well,

500
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Speaker 2: this guy probably hasn't seen an MMA fight before, you know,

501
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 2: as if saying, look, let the guy fight.

502
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Speaker 3: We're barbaric. This is what we do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I also want to point out there is Diaz

504
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Speaker 1: chance sucks during the fight, as we talked about, and

505
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Speaker 1: then in the post fight interview with Joe Rogan, Diaz

506
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Speaker 1: gets booed again during this point. This idea that Nate

507
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Speaker 1: Diaz has always been universally loved or universally welcomed by

508
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Speaker 1: MMA fans. You want it to be true, It matter

509
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Speaker 1: of factly is not true. It's something that he had

510
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Speaker 1: to earn over time. Also not that this was the

511
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Speaker 1: case every time, or not that this was exclusive to

512
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Speaker 1: Nate Diaz, but pay attention, by the way. Number One thing,

513
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Speaker 1: he constantly fights south pause as a southpaw. I can't

514
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Speaker 1: say how most of his opponents are southpaw. It's kind

515
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Speaker 1: of wild. Number Two, how many times he has to

516
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Speaker 1: go to another guy's backyard he does it all the time.

517
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Speaker 1: This is one such case where he had to go

518
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Speaker 1: fight the guy who was more liked by the crowd.

519
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Speaker 1: It was sort of the sort of accepted Boston guy

520
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Speaker 1: in Marcus Davis. You constantly see Nate helping out other

521
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Speaker 1: people in their territories.

522
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Speaker 2: And as we start to get closer to the build

523
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Speaker 2: up to the McGregor fights for very little money, Luke,

524
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Speaker 2: we'll get to that later. I just want to say

525
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Speaker 2: one thing here is Nate says he broke his right

526
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Speaker 2: hand in round two and his call out because Joe said, look,

527
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Speaker 2: you're going to stay at walter wit, what's gonna happen?

528
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Speaker 2: He called out the tough guy, wanta be's at one

529
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Speaker 2: fifty five like Maynard.

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Speaker 3: Who think they are hot shots.

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Speaker 2: Yet he didn't go back down the lightweight and seek

532
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Speaker 2: the rematch.

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Speaker 3: He went up the walterweight ranks and that's where he

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Speaker 3: would find trouble.

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Speaker 1: So the whole idea is that he was apparently having

536
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Speaker 1: trouble making one fifty five or getting the most out

537
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Speaker 1: of himself. Remember these are early days of weight cutting

538
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Speaker 1: where folks just did not know a whole lot of

539
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Speaker 1: what they were doing. He could make the weight, but

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Speaker 1: I guess he just didn't feel great. It felt better

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Speaker 1: to go to one seventy, so he tried. He beats

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Speaker 1: Rory Markham, he beats Marcus Davis. But then that takes

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Speaker 1: us to a bit of the problem area, as you indicated.

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Speaker 1: January first, the brand New Year at twenty eleven UFC

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Speaker 1: one twenty five. This was in Las Vegas, Nevada. He

546
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Speaker 1: takes on Deyong Hung Don Kyung Kim. Now, by the way,

547
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Speaker 1: you might be asking where this is on the actual

548
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Speaker 1: card itself. It's on the main card. It's about the

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Speaker 1: second fight up okay BC. I appreciate that Nate was

550
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Speaker 1: trying to get the most out of himself. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: that he was trying. I appreciate that he beat a

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Speaker 1: good fighter in Rory Markhaman he hasn't turned down.

553
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Speaker 3: It doesn't seem fights like at least hard.

554
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Speaker 1: But there's two fights. We'll talk about them both here

555
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Speaker 1: very quickly, the Don Kung Kim fight after this Roy

556
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Speaker 1: McDonald fight. He I would say this. I had a

557
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Speaker 1: respect for what Nate was able to do in terms

558
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Speaker 1: of surviving with his jiu jitsu, occasionally attacking with leg entanglements.

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Speaker 1: Certainly worked through difficult positions along the cage. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I thought that Diaz won the third round in this

561
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Speaker 1: Kim fight, But it also appeared to me very clear

562
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Speaker 1: that whatever physical advantages he was able to retain at

563
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Speaker 1: one to fifty five, they were.

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Speaker 2: Gone and he can just have That's why I'm telling

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Speaker 2: you that the reach and height advantages he didn't just

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Speaker 2: have like a couple inches. He was regularly having five

567
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Speaker 2: and six inch reach advantages in height and arm length.

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Speaker 2: This one, they're the same height, and Kim actually has

569
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Speaker 2: a one inch longer.

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Speaker 3: Reached the stun gun.

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Speaker 2: So even though it's twenty nine to twenty eight and

572
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Speaker 2: all three cards, when he's finding people that don't have

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Speaker 2: that obvious hole, he can expose. What does Nate Diz exposed? Great,

574
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Speaker 2: if you've got a weak chin, he'll expose it. He'll

575
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Speaker 2: put up the volume and start to wear you down.

576
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Speaker 2: If you don't have a good guess tank, he'll expose it.

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Speaker 3: If you're bad boxing, if you're weaker, he can mentally

578
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Speaker 3: pull you into a fight.

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Speaker 2: He'll expose that, you know, bad boxing. Here's the type

580
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Speaker 2: of animal he's facing out Walter wait here and Kim

581
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Speaker 2: and then Rory in the next fight equal.

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Speaker 3: Or bigger in size that he can.

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Speaker 2: Even though Nate can have some success attempting submissions, he

584
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Speaker 2: can't dominate them on the ground. He can't find that

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Speaker 2: hole in their game because it's not there. Kim was

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Speaker 2: thirteen ohe one coming in here. He's not going to

587
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Speaker 2: succumb to power. He's got a great gas tank. They're

588
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: Altiate became a thing where it's like, what does Nate

589
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Speaker 2: do to win outside of dramatic submission search?

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Speaker 3: That search was there. You can see he's close there.

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00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 3: But when he can't get that and he can't lure

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Speaker 3: you into a brawl that will break you down, it's weird.

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Speaker 2: It's like you watch these early fights and you're like,

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Speaker 2: is Nate ahead of the game because his psych striking

595
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Speaker 2: is so unique, or is he ultimately still behind the

596
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Speaker 2: game because you know he doesn't use his feet a

597
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Speaker 2: lot to kick. Now you know you can cafcate him

598
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Speaker 2: as we would find out, doesn't throw a lot of

599
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Speaker 2: body kicks, her head kicks and it's really boxing. Or

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Speaker 2: if he ends up on his back, he'll chase the submissions.

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Speaker 2: Is he ahead of the game or is he simplistic

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Speaker 2: or both?

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Speaker 1: At the same time in terms of his this again,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he this is not the stage of

605
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Speaker 1: his career where he's figured himself out fully as a fighter.

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Speaker 1: Number one. The second part is I think in some

607
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Speaker 1: ways he was ahead to have better boxing and obviously

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Speaker 1: his jiu jitsu. Again, he was a brown belt submitting

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Speaker 1: a black belt in Kurt Pellogrino. Dog Young Kim, by

610
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Speaker 1: the way, very good judo black belt, But you know

611
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Speaker 1: there was again I think Diaz won the third round here,

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Speaker 1: he was able to give him some problems. You actually

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Speaker 1: makes you wonder about a five round fight. This is

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Speaker 1: one of the first times I was like, five round

615
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: fights at this point didn't really exist in the UFC.

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Speaker 1: It makes you wonder had this one been five rounds?

617
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Speaker 1: A guy like Nate Diaz is built for that. But

618
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Speaker 1: in other ways, we're back at the Kurt Pellegrino fight,

619
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Speaker 1: where somebody who can wrestle a little bit, somebody who's

620
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Speaker 1: got good defensive jiu jitsu or good grappling, let's say,

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Speaker 1: in this particular, because he's a judoka and in this

622
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Speaker 1: case the one seventy package together, it's a continued weakness

623
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Speaker 1: for Diaz that unfortunately would plague him throughout the course.

624
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Speaker 2: Can wrail himself at lightweight to find that opening, find

625
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Speaker 2: that vulnerable hole. And then we talked about go all

626
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Speaker 2: in in that moment and find it, whether it's submission

627
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: or breaking your will. These welterweights are too big, man,

628
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Speaker 2: and now you find Rory McDonald who's also too primed.

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Speaker 2: This is a twenty one year old Rory McDonald who

630
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Speaker 2: had finally had his big early setback when he got

631
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Speaker 2: stopped by Carlos Condent when he was getting a little

632
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Speaker 2: bit wild and he got into a brawl. This would

633
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Speaker 2: be a much more reserved, technical but still strong dude.

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Speaker 3: You look at the size between them. They had a

635
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Speaker 3: sorry Nate, They're the same height and Rory has a

636
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Speaker 3: one inch longer reach. The same situation as Kim.

637
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Speaker 2: Physically, Rory was thicker much and as we would see

638
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Speaker 2: in the third round when he's slamming him up to

639
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: three times, you say they're not all slams. The third

640
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Speaker 2: one was Lennis Moore said, head over a feat, Luke,

641
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Speaker 2: this is an here.

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Speaker 1: The first two were Matt Returns. But he is just

643
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's just be honest about it. Rory McDonald

644
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: man handled him, so of course was April thirtyeth twenty eleven.

645
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Speaker 1: I was there for this one. BC half kicks the

646
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Speaker 1: beginning of what's Nate's hole.

647
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Speaker 2: You could calf kick him into not submission, but you

648
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 2: can really wear him down for sure.

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Speaker 1: So this is UFC one twenty nine for folks. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know what it was. This is the apex of

651
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Speaker 1: Canadian mma. This was Saint Pierre versus Shields. Of course,

652
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz, his teammate, was on this card as well

653
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: in the main event. This fight was on the prelim

654
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: card on Spike. It was the main event of the

655
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: prelim card on Spike, and BC is correct. You go

656
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: from the Donkung Kim fight to the Rory McDonald fight.

657
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: It felt like, in many ways almost the same kind

658
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: of fight in a way, where Diaz is able to

659
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: make a decent account of himself in the striking excuse me,

660
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: in the striking department, although Rory McDonald kept hitting the

661
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: superman punched to inside leg kick that kept rocking him back.

662
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: But the big difference, the real big difference was Rory

663
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: McDonald was just so much stronger than him.

664
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: This was waymingham even though he had got stopped by Condent.

665
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: This was here's your looking at the next GSP, same

666
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: camp and at twenty one.

667
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 3: He looks ready for the best. Luke, I didn't know

668
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 3: he turned pro at sixteen.

669
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: Roy McDonald who just had THEAH and he's thirty three.

670
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: He beat Jordan Mean at seventeen on the regionals. I

671
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: mean this was somebody.

672
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: Who's why he retired at thirty three. Folks like that's young.

673
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm like not if you started at sixteen, Yes, how

674
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: early he started.

675
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 3: He was ten to one coming in.

676
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: But Luke, the score is thirty twenty six on two cards,

677
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: thirty twenty seven domination.

678
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 3: For Rory the water Boy McDonald. How did I not

679
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: remember this?

680
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: He was Waterboy, aries Red King, Canadian Psycho. Those are

681
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: the four nicknames he's had water Boy At the time

682
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: they announced that in front of this crowd again, I

683
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: want to say this one more time. This was the

684
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: crowning achievement of Canadian Mma. This was at the oh.

685
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: They did get booted during some of the inact paradox.

686
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: But this was at the was the what's the big

687
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: one there in Toronto? I went to this one. It

688
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: was the Rogers Arena. WA I can tell you what

689
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: exactly what it was.

690
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is Bronze Stutter area.

691
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, this is at the Rogers Center in Toronto.

692
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: There were fifty five thousand people there. Now you might

693
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: that might that sound impressive to you because they've gone

694
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: to Marvel Stadium in Australia before and so they've repeated

695
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: some of these feats, but this had never been done before.

696
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: And you can see this massive Canadian pride the whole

697
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: way through. So they had Saint Pierre in the car,

698
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: they had Rory McDonald in the car, they had all

699
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: these Canadians on the card. Rory McDonald was clearly being

700
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: sort of set up as the next guy Sam Stout.

701
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: Maybe yep, here here we are again BC Nate Diaz

702
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: going to someone else's territory and as a consequence, making

703
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 1: them look better. Now, of course it's not. You know,

704
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz signed up for the fight. He wanted to

705
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: be at one seventy. But when you're wondering why Nate

706
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: Diaz has a chip on his shoulder, there are obviously

707
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: a myriad of complicating factors, but the consistent narrative of

708
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: him having to go to someone else's territory in big fights.

709
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: A lot of times it gets the very difficult opponent.

710
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: You can see why he thought, when is it going

711
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: to be my turn to get that kind of treatment?

712
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 3: Without question?

713
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: Do you.

714
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying to pick up his logic and accepting some

715
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 2: of these fights, you know what I'm saying, Like, was

716
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: he under one of those tough contracts like American Idol

717
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: where you're you're locked down on a small rate for

718
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: a while.

719
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: Yes, of course, that's a big part of it as well,

720
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, And yes, his brother, I'm not sure if

721
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: I think his brother was still in Strikeforce at this

722
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: time and was doing quite well. I think he wanted

723
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: to blaze his own path as well. That's another part too.

724
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: It's like there was so much narrative about Nick d

725
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: As his brother, Nick d As his brother, Nick d

726
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: As his brother, that he wanted to go and just

727
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: do things that were a little bit on his own.

728
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: And the move to one seventy. It wasn't like it

729
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: was bad up front. He beat Rory Markham, he beat

730
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: Marcus Davis. But when he got to that upper tier.

731
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: When he's fighting guys that are physically the equal of him,

732
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: but they're stronger, and there's no obvious hole in their

733
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: game at this place.

734
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: They're very you know, listen, this was Rory McDonald training

735
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: with Faraza Hobby. This is Youyong Kong Kim. These are

736
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: good grapplers. You know, you're not going to just get

737
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: these guys to make big mistakes. Kurt Pellergreno took some

738
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: risks and that's what he was able to pay for it.

739
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: But you know, fifteen more pounds of muscle on these guys.

740
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: I think this was the time he realized, oh shit, okay,

741
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: I'm twenty five, twenty six years old. I can't fight

742
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: these dudes at one seventy anymore. I've got to get

743
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: back to one fifty five, which is a better way

744
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: class for me and BC.

745
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: Well, one thing to not just real quick sure that

746
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: Rory cut them open, and something we haven't talked about

747
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: even in a lot of these wins that we're mentioning

748
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: almost every fight that we've talked about.

749
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 3: Nate has a cut around his eye.

750
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: Yes, a lot of scar tissue that I wish you

751
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: saw with the scarlet.

752
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: Brawl the exits that way.

753
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: Well, okay, is that that's becoming a thing. It was

754
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: a thing a fight, but twenty six.

755
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: Years old already has that as a bit of a problem,

756
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: in part because of his fight style, and then now

757
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: it's the sort of accumulated thing that he's still working on.

758
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: But let's set this up. Be see, we kind of

759
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: hinted at this at the beginning of this show. I

760
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: want to go back and remind everyone he went to

761
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: one fifty five to start this UFC campaign because he

762
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: had fought previously. Walt's a way I think back in

763
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: the WBC days. But he goes from one to fifty five.

764
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't like how he feels. He has a couple

765
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 1: of up and down performances. He goes to one seventy.

766
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: He goes two and two in that run, but the

767
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: two he loses were back to back against the very

768
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 1: best that division. He takes a little bit of time off.

769
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: He goes from April until September of twenty eleven, and

770
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: I think in September of twenty eleven he goes on

771
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: a three fight run where I really believe that is

772
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: absolute peak prime and for that moment unstoppable.

773
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: Nate Diz twenty six years old, entering his sort of

774
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: adding the experiences with him mentally tough and strong, as always.

775
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: I mean he's every interview he's saying, I think I'm

776
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: the best.

777
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: Like I'm alread to ask UBC, what do you think

778
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: is the win streak where Nate here's I'm gonna ask it,

779
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: what is the win streak where Nate Diz looks the best.

780
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: It's certainly this three fight window that we're starting now.

781
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: The only other fight I'd maybe offer is the final

782
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: fight against Grey Maynord, which we'll get to.

783
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: Maybe some of that is where Gray Maynard was at

784
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: that moment.

785
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: You could argue, but he was a little bit shot.

786
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: Warning he found his confidence again.

787
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: But Luke, we talked about fighting guys his own size

788
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: where he doesn't have that advantage. Back now again at

789
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: lightweight Takingri Gomi, Nate's got a four inch height and

790
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: a six inch reach.

791
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 3: Look if he has a six inch reach against you,

792
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 3: which the advantage he continually has, it's going to be

793
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: really hard for you to get inside.

794
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: And Gom has for being a very big name, Nick

795
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: had fought him, so Nate's got the respect for him here.

796
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: He still has seven losses, and what five of those

797
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: seven were submission losses. I mean he could get caught here.

798
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: This was the type of matchup where if Nate was

799
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: going to come back and reinvigorate himself, the canvas was

800
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: there to paint the masterpiece. This didn't last a full round.

801
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a masterpiece. Nice left cross early

802
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: to drop Gomy. Nate's on such a rhythm here, there's

803
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: almost dancing as he's shuffling and throwing combinations.

804
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: So this is UFC one thirty five, Denver, Colorado. This

805
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: of course is the headlining fight was John Jones versus Rampage.

806
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: I was at this fight as well. Remember Mark and

807
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: Ben Rothwell huffing and puffin from We talked about elevation

808
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: from the Salt Lake City card. You had a lot

809
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: of this as well, But they didn't even need to

810
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: worry about that in this contest because, as you indicated, BC,

811
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz goes out there and beats the fucking breaks

812
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: off tackinry Gomi. And it's not just in one dimension.

813
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: This is why to me, BC, it's the beginning of

814
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: the full d Az, the Nate Diaz picture. He beats

815
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: him up on the feet, he beats him up when

816
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: they clinch, he destroys him on the ground. He goes

817
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: from submission to submission to submission. He trapped Takanori Gomi

818
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: under a sheet of ice. He had nowhere to go

819
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: in this fight. Diaz did true or false BC whatever

820
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: he wanted when he wanted.

821
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: It even seemed like he pulled guard there in the

822
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: mix of some flurries that would set up the finish,

823
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: and he almost had the arm bar a nice triangle

824
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: attempt by Gomy. It was the last thing that he

825
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: was going to make, but the slam didn't break, the hold,

826
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: gets the tap out, and here's Joe Rogan excited afterwards. Quote,

827
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: no doubt about it, the best performance of Nate Diez's career.

828
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 2: Just spectacular in every part of the game. To your point,

829
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: the first of three in a row here, a refreshed

830
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: need at lightweight could be problems here in this title

831
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: picture as we keep going by the way, don't.

832
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: You agree, Just for a second, I thought he physically

833
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: looked better too, Yes, like at one seven, he didn't

834
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: look flabby, but he didn't look.

835
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: Well like both cut off.

836
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: There's times when you're like, do they even want to

837
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: be here? And it's not just Nick recently coming back

838
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: and that was kind of a debacle, but It's like

839
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: there are times there's wilderness rambling in their career where

840
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: they lose a couple and you're like, are they even

841
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: mentally checked in?

842
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 3: He's checked in in this one. This is the start

843
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: of something good. Actually his best run.

844
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, dropped him with a one to two, heard him

845
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: had go Me in trouble, finished him off on the ground.

846
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: Na Diez looked sensational. And by the way, who does

847
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: he shout out in the post fight interview with Joe Rogan?

848
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: Of course Jake Shields, of course, his teammate. And by

849
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: the way, he also gives credit to go Me. He's

850
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: not entirely antagonistic to everyone as his favorite fighter ever,

851
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 1: so there was a bit of an honor for him

852
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: to fight. So this is part one of the three

853
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: fight win Street that I think is his best. We

854
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: stay in twenty eleven, by the way, he fought four

855
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: times that year. We go to UFC one forty one

856
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: is where he takes on Donald SERRONI. This is the

857
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: Lesnar versus Overim card. Remember this one.

858
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: December thirtieth, twenty eleven. Doesn't this feel like it was

859
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: more recent than twenty eleven. It feels like it was

860
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: five years ago, not ten. But in any case, were

861
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: you at what you might be asking? Where was Nate

862
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: Diaz in this card pay per view comine? So he

863
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: got a little bit of a boost from that. Gomi

864
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: win and he takes on Don Serroni and they had

865
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: had an antagonistic.

866
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: Pre fight build up.

867
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: There was a video package that talked about it. Apparently

868
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: they had walked past each other at a press event.

869
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: Don Soroni had put out his hand for Nick for

870
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: Nate to shake it, and Nate slapped it away.

871
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: Luke he did it was like, we're in the same division.

872
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: I don't really want to be your friend.

873
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: Nate says, yeah, you shouldn't have done that. We're not

874
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: cool like that.

875
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: You broke the Stockton code by trying to be friendly,

876
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: basically is what he's saying here. Look, if you want

877
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: to know what version of Don Cerroni was, this arguably

878
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: the best ever.

879
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: Why.

880
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 2: He was seventeen and three overall, fighting a six fight

881
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: win streak, and he had just tk O, Charles Olivera

882
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: and sub Dennis sever So this was a cowboy who

883
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: was not living on a name. This is prime tough rugged.

884
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: You know, you see the damage. I mean what became

885
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 2: a theme in this first round. I think Nate would

886
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: go on, by the way, to set a record for

887
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: most strikes landed.

888
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: In the three has been subsequently broken. But yes, he

889
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: said it in this fight.

890
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: It started in the first round where why did cowboy

891
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: not move his head once in that opening round because

892
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 2: Nate was just teeing off with like, well, let's.

893
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: Let's set this up for just a second. So they

894
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: bring the referee brings them into the middle to give

895
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: them instructions and says, you know, shake hands or whatever,

896
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: and Donald Soroni gives him the finger. He gives Nate

897
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: Diaz the fingerbout her Dean. He goes, all right, you

898
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: can touch gloves if you wish or not, And so

899
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: they separate and Serroni gives them the finger, and then

900
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz proceeds to box his fucking ears off. Now

901
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: I will give Sarony credit. There are moments throughout the

902
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: course of this fight rounds one, two, and three where

903
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: he's kicking Nate dan Ass off of his feet constantly.

904
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: You talked earlier BC about we figuring out that lake

905
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: kicks appeared to be a bit of a weakness for Nate.

906
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: Drdia was watching this fight.

907
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: That's right. It wasn't enough to get the job done

908
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: for Sarroni here, but he did lay a bit of

909
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: the blueprint about what might be available. But the real story,

910
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: the real story, well the whole before you even get

911
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: to the real story. They're the same height here at

912
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: Throni a large lightly so it's almost like a Walter

913
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: White fight. Serroni had floated between only a three inch

914
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: a reach advantage for Nate, so he had to take

915
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: on more damage to get inside. But it was just

916
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: his ability to just Serenie's always a late starter, but

917
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: this is the ultimate late starter of Serroni, who got

918
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: lit up bleeding from the mouth to end the first round. Luke,

919
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: it got a little bit worse than the second round.

920
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,919
Speaker 1: Sereni was never quite out of it, was still able

921
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: to do some things, but dude, he was kicking his ass.

922
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: And this was a moment here where Seroni was looking

923
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: like a future title jell, a future champion in a

924
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: lot of ways. When we get to the viral moment

925
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: to start round three, it's like he's going to stop Cowboy,

926
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, do you see the look on Cowboy to

927
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: start round three. It was like, so I believe we

928
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: have the picture, you should play it. If we have it,

929
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: this is hold this for just a second. This is

930
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: the beginning of round three. Remember at the beginning before

931
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: round one started, Serroni gave him the finger. Nate Diaz

932
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: proceeds to beat Donald Seroni from pillar to post. So

933
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 1: as there started about to start round three, Nate gives

934
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: him the double birds, to which Sarni goes, yeah, I

935
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: deserve it, with blood still dripping out of his mouth.

936
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: Now, Seronium round two had dropped Nate twice with calf

937
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: kicks and he headlands on a knee that dropped Nate,

938
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: but Nate was always able to take that damage as

939
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: he pretty much was walk down and come right back.

940
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: With more flurries and walked him down. Yeah, Serroni takes

941
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: him off of his feet at four thirty seven, four

942
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: three ten, two fifty three. He was landing on Nate,

943
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: but the problem was Nate was landing way more on him,

944
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: physically popping his head back, getting him off balance, having

945
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: him on the retreat. There was just he could not

946
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: get Nate Diaz off of him. I think was the

947
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: real sort of sort of scenario there, punctuated by the

948
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: double middle finger to begin round three thirty.

949
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 2: To twenty seven, twice twenty nine to twenty eight, all

950
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: in favor of Nate, who would say the cowboy afterwards,

951
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: sorry about all that shit that went down.

952
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: It's just TV end quote, it's just TV fair enough.

953
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: Now, this brings us to I think one of the

954
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: more impressive performances of Nate Dias' entire career. Again, this

955
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: three fight stretch, to me is the most magical run

956
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 1: that he had. It takes us to a main event.

957
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: We're now in the Fox era. I think we've been

958
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: in for some time. But Rebock in the house. Rebock

959
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: in the house. This is UFC on Fox, Diaz versus Miller.

960
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: Not far from here, East Rutherford, New Jersey, a real shithole. Uh,

961
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of Jersey people here. I'm just trying

962
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: to make them mad. In any case, it's the main event.

963
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: It's on Fox. The name is in the actual title,

964
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: Diaz versus Miller. It takes on Jim Miller, who this

965
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: was prime Jim Miller as well. This is a guy

966
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: who wrestled at Virginia Tech and a black belt in

967
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu.

968
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: This is the mountaintop run of Jim Miller's best chance

969
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: to enter the title picture, which you win here would

970
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 2: have done that. He was won seven of his last

971
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: eight coming in, the only loss being to Benson Henderson

972
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: before he won the title. At this point now Benson

973
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: Hender Underson I believe is the champion at this moment

974
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: in time.

975
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: But what do you know, b See where are they

976
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: Who's backyard.

977
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 3: Jim Miller's backyard in New Jersey?

978
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: Of course, constant constant for Nate.

979
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 3: But Luke another fight with a five inch reach advantage.

980
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: So if you want to ask yourself, this is the

981
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 2: third of that three fight run that is the best

982
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: of Nate Diaz at lightweight in terms of being a

983
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: legitimate title contender. What is the difference between this and

984
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: not the two losses at walterweight that forced him to

985
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: come back down, because we talked about that, but even

986
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 2: the earlier Nate he is much more willing to set

987
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: the tone offensively, get off first and try to use

988
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: that cardio weaponize. There's times in the second half and

989
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: eight's career, maybe due to age or whatever, where Luke

990
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: he's two, he's the CounterPunch or two often looking for

991
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: that big punch that he can point out you and

992
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: change the momentum.

993
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: This is him taking control of setting the momentum.

994
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: He went after Donald Cerroni on a measured pace and

995
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: beat the shit out of him in the first round

996
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 2: and stayed with that despite a couple of scares or hiccups.

997
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: There were no real scares hiccups here against Jim Miller.

998
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: I mean, he is just walking him the f down.

999
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 3: And when he has that advantage in terms of length

1000
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: and he's that motivated, he's a different fighter. Look, this

1001
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 3: isn't surly Nate Diaz. You're not paying me enough. That

1002
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: guy's coming soon. This is still I think I'm the

1003
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: best lightweight in the world. And when he's going downhill, dude,

1004
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: he's exist for the stuff.

1005
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he made Jim Miller. He made Jim Miller shoot.

1006
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's how this whole thing got wrapped up

1007
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: for him. To your point, here's another part I would

1008
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: want to say. This is Nate Diaz in complete confidence

1009
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: of his abilities and chances to win. Even now you'll

1010
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: see him back up against Leon Edwards and he's kind

1011
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: of hedging moment to moment or he's playing some games

1012
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: with Jorge maswoow to stop some of the onslaught. You

1013
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: don't see a hint of that in this fight. He

1014
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: is just taking Jim Miller to school. The whole time

1015
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: goes to the second round, the first round, really, I

1016
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: think Diaz drops him. Second round, he hits him with

1017
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: a knee and Miller wanted no part of it. He shoots,

1018
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: Daz stuffs that shoots for a guillotine. Miller rolls. You

1019
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: see now, Nate come on top, reassert the guillotine and

1020
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: have Jim Miller what appears to nearly bite his own

1021
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: tongue off as you see him roll through with the guillotine. Here,

1022
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: let's see if they got the final culture. Yeah, you

1023
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: can see it there. It's it's kind of obscured by

1024
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: his hand, but his mouthguard fell out in the process.

1025
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: There it is, and he's got he's biting on his

1026
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: own tongue as a consequence on live television BC. That

1027
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: is Nate Diaz's in his element.

1028
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: There's only two words to say that metal militia. Motherfucker.

1029
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, he becomes the first man to stop Jim Miller.

1030
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: Ever, he'd start doing the Nate flex.

1031
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: He's aggressively flexing and taunting into the camera, and I

1032
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: think it's his way of saying, look, three in a row, here,

1033
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 2: give me that title shot.

1034
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 3: They would answer, They would answer that, call them.

1035
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: They would So we bump up now. So he gets

1036
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: three incredible wins, three amazing finishes, all by way of

1037
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: submission or excuse me, got the the se anyone went

1038
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: to the decision. But he gets the arm bar of

1039
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: a Goman. He gets the guillotine choke over Miller. So

1040
00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: they said, screw it, let's give you a title shot.

1041
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: We jump now to December eighth of twenty twelve. We

1042
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: go to Seattle, Washington. This is for the UFC Lightweight

1043
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: Champion UFC on Fox, Benson Henderson versus Nate Diaz. This

1044
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: of course is the main event given us for the title.

1045
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it one more time. I know that

1046
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: Benson Henderson has sort of adopted Arizona as his home place,

1047
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: being from the MMA lab, but he is from the Tacoma,

1048
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,359
Speaker 1: Washington area. This was in Seattle. Henderson was very much

1049
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: the hometown guy. Nate Diaz going to someone else's yard

1050
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: backyard to do them a solid. I want to point

1051
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: out how often it happens in his career and.

1052
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: Title fight atop this Fox cards you mentioned this is

1053
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,959
Speaker 2: one of these quarterly Fox cards where like pay per views,

1054
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: basically on regular TV. Is this top of the mountain

1055
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: for a guy I don't want to say we forgot

1056
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 2: about in Benson Henderson, but I think because he's had

1057
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: this final twilight chapter where he's been an opponent at

1058
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 2: times and we've seen him lose his bigger.

1059
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: Fights, you forget what made this guy great at lightweight.

1060
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: And even though Nate's got a three inch a height

1061
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: and six inch reach, which had been a theme of

1062
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: Nate dominating, Benson Henderson is basically a welterweight in a

1063
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 2: lightweight's body here, and you're finding that theme when somebody

1064
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: who's not going to to come to the cardio, which

1065
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: Benson always great five round championship cardio, not going to

1066
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: to come on the ground. Benson Henderson's legs, as they

1067
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: said on the broadcast, were twice the size of Nates.

1068
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: Guys with size and skill do give Nate problems? Is

1069
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 2: this top of the damn mountain champion Benson Henderson the best?

1070
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. This was Nate Diaz at his

1071
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: very best I thought heading into this contest. The problem

1072
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: was this was also prime Benson Henderson, just.

1073
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: Being Frank Diegor twice in very good fights like this

1074
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: is five fight.

1075
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: This is prime Benson Henderson, and so what ends up

1076
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: happening is what you might imagine. He is able to

1077
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: take Nate Diaz down seemingly at will. He's able, for

1078
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: the most part, to avoid any kind of real submission thread.

1079
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: There were a few times in the course of this.

1080
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: By the way, if this is a five round main event,

1081
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 1: you can see an outside ashy garami from Nate Diaz

1082
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: when he's trying there, but he doesn't get very close.

1083
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: And to me, BC, we talked about the swag, we

1084
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: talked about the confidence is there it is it turned

1085
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: into that where I think Nate realized that that was

1086
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: round three when he was down. He was down, he

1087
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: was and there was really no way he was going

1088
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: to win. I think Nate got frustrated in this one.

1089
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, But why did he calf kicks? Look, Benson

1090
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 3: Anderson was like one of the Was he the first

1091
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: guy who really made that a monster part of his offense?

1092
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: First? I don't know, but he definitely popularized and made

1093
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: that use much wider than it was before him.

1094
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: Right off the bat he's in round one, he's kind

1095
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 2: of making Nate wobble and kind of brutalizing him with

1096
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 2: the leg kicks. But it's you know, once he worked

1097
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: his boxing and you think Nate would have a huge

1098
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 2: striking advantage even with the six inch reach advantage, Benson

1099
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: got inside on him, starts bloodying.

1100
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: Nate's nose up. Damn.

1101
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: You know when it's like, so, this is where you

1102
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: had to ask yourself, like, this is the very best

1103
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 2: of Nate ever in terms of legitimate rankings and trying

1104
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 2: to get into the title picture. Is he not technical

1105
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 2: enough when he fights a really technical elite fighter, because

1106
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: there's some guys he out techniques when he needs to,

1107
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 2: especially on the ground.

1108
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. Benson Henderson's a black belt in

1109
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu too, and a black belt in taekwondo and

1110
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: a dynamic, fast, risk taking but still very durable athlete.

1111
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: Remember Benson Henderson had a fucking toothpick in his mouth,

1112
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: which Joe Rogan asked him about. He was like, I

1113
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: don't have a toothpick. He was just doing a weird bit.

1114
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: But this is what I mean, you get a guy

1115
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: who's got the wrestling skills plus jiu jitsu skills and

1116
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: they're a physical athlete. That's a tough combination for what

1117
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: Nate ds.

1118
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 3: CA and Nate couldn't get in his head.

1119
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: And that meant after at the end of round one,

1120
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 2: you remember Nate got right up in Benson's face, nose

1121
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: to nose, did nothing, flipping him off in round three

1122
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 2: on the ground, did nothing, could not lure him into

1123
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: a brawl. Luke a big win fifty to forty three

1124
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: on one card, fifteen to forty five on two, so

1125
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: it shows you full domination. But I want to start

1126
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: talking about money. I mean, this is Nate Diez is

1127
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: in some ways mountaintop moment in terms of how far

1128
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: he could get challenging for a title in the UFC.

1129
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: Right he came close other time in a relatively conventional process.

1130
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: And I know this is not a pay per view,

1131
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 2: but it is a quarterly Fox card which is treated

1132
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 2: as one. This card ratings wise, did three point four

1133
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: to one million on Fox. Nate Diez is in the

1134
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: main event of a UFC championship fight, which should be

1135
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: his again mountaintop moment of climbing the letter and his

1136
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: pay is fifty thousand. He didn't win, so there's no bonus.

1137
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 2: This is two thousand and twelve twelve. You know, boxers

1138
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: on regular HBO or Showtime are making two and a

1139
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: half three million each in main events, not titles. So

1140
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: you know, depending on what star level they are. You know,

1141
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 2: it's not everybody, but you get the point fifty thousand

1142
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: to be the opponent in a nationally televised main event

1143
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: that did nearly four million viewers, and Benson as a

1144
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: champion is getting seventy eight thousand. Base thirty nine thousand

1145
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 2: is the bonus for the victory. For the headlines that

1146
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: still dominate today in fighter pay. This is ten years ago.

1147
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: Ten years ago, the b side in the UFC title

1148
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: fight on national television in front of four million made

1149
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: fifty thousand to be there. If you're watching a national

1150
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 2: television an NBA game, the twelfth guy or fifteenth guy

1151
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 2: in the bench is making the league minimum.

1152
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 3: The movie more than that eight hundred thousand or whatever.

1153
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure ten years ago too, you talk about the disparity,

1154
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: You talk about what fueled Nate taking such long breaks

1155
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: before he finally became this paper Viewstar against McGregor. This

1156
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: is the beginning I have to believe of the seed

1157
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: planting of the bad blood in him. Of like, look

1158
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: at what I'm doing for the company. I'm taking on anyone.

1159
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: I'm not turning down fights. I'm putting on brawls. I'm

1160
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 2: putting myself in there him getting paid shift for it. Luke,

1161
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: don't you just look at that and gasp? Fifty thousand

1162
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: I lived through it in real time. It seems insane

1163
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: to go back to. But I remember I remember this

1164
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 2: all at the time, and folks wondering, like, why is

1165
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: Das such a malc content? You tell me, you tell

1166
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: me why he's such a malc content. He's fought nothing.

1167
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 2: If I mentioned one person here who has not some

1168
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 2: easy victory for him, this.

1169
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: Is just nobody he could walk through in their backyards

1170
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: for what can I think most we consider a relatively

1171
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: paltry amount of money. Gee, I wonder why he has

1172
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: been such a malcontent, which with the word might be.

1173
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: But the journey is not there. It doesn't stop there

1174
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: at BC. We go now to the next fight, which

1175
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: would be a real low point. Frankly in the career

1176
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: of Nate Dia de lo point, you'd have to say

1177
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: that probably deal a point, maybe depending on what's perspective.

1178
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: Certainly he takes on Josh Thompson. This is April twentieth

1179
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: of twenty thirteen, and this one's kind of interesting. BC.

1180
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm never really put attention to this. This is the

1181
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: UFC and Fox card headlined by Benson Henderson and Gilbert

1182
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: Melendez by the way, a teammate here again of Nate Diaz,

1183
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: and I thought, by the way, Gilbert Melndez won that contest.

1184
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: But take there for what it is worth. Nate Diez

1185
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: on the main card. Here's another thing you could say. Well,

1186
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: you could say, well, he's a North California guy, so

1187
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: this is a hometown game, but it's not. Josh Thompson

1188
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: is the guy. This is in San Jose, California. Josh

1189
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: Thompson is the guy from San Jose as an AKA guy,

1190
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: so of course he gets the much bigger pop even

1191
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: in California, BC. He is not necessarily the hometown guy here.

1192
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: I want to point out how often this happens.

1193
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: So is Josh Thompson at this point, first fight back

1194
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: in the UFC in eight years. Luke since two thousand

1195
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: and four when he found.

1196
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: Out after having the best trilogy maybe in the enemy

1197
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: history with Gilbert.

1198
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: Gillenis Force and directly removed from that third fight where

1199
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: he lost the Strikeforce title in that match with Gilbert

1200
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: Melendez may come back to the UFC looking for a

1201
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: big fight.

1202
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: This was on national television Fox.

1203
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: As you mentioned, three point three to one million viewers

1204
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: peaked in the main event. Nate and what the colemane here?

1205
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: Fifteen one thousand dollars salary, no bonus?

1206
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 3: Right, You're like, dude, can we move on?

1207
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, no grand? Fifteen grand to fight Josh.

1208
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 3: Josh made ninety five thousand plus the ten thousand dollars windows.

1209
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: Can you just imagine?

1210
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 3: Look, Josh Thompson wasn't even in the company they bought.

1211
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: They had bought Strikeforce.

1212
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're bringing him back into the fold. I

1213
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: know he had just lost in the Strikeforce title match,

1214
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: but he's getting ninety five thousand.

1215
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: Day one here.

1216
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 2: Nate just lost in the UFC title match in which

1217
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 2: he made fifty grand, and he's coming in at comin

1218
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: event a national television front of three and a half

1219
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: million people at fifteen thousand dollars.

1220
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: You do have to point the finger back and say, well,

1221
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: you accepted it right.

1222
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: To an extent, to an extent, but also like who

1223
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: are you gonna go? You're gonna go to strikeforce now,

1224
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: like that's not really even an option anymore. And more

1225
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: to the point, it's just about the I would argue

1226
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: the predatory practices in this particular case by the promoter.

1227
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: But here's the other part about it. Fifteen grand, one

1228
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty grand, fifteen million. It ain't easy to

1229
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: fight Josh Thompson. This version of him was very good.

1230
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: Look give the punk credit. He was fucking off there.

1231
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: He was really I don't know about the career of

1232
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: Josh Thompson. Athletic could wrestle very good striker, well trained,

1233
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: good team crazy Bob Cook at ak in his corner,

1234
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: and I thought this was the first time someone put

1235
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: together BC a complete performance against You can say it

1236
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: about Vinsa Henderson, but here's what I mean. On the feet,

1237
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: sticking and moving leg kicking himself, never being a stationary target,

1238
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: clinch breaking, whereas Benson Henderson would kind of embrace the

1239
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: clinch and used to take him down. This was get

1240
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: off me kind of approach, and he was chewing Diaz up.

1241
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: And Josh is small, so he had that same disadvantage

1242
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: I talk about in terms of height and reach for

1243
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: normal Nate opponents at lightweight. He overcame that with technique

1244
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: and the threat that he established early. A clean headkick

1245
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: early in round one got Nate's attention. He landed a

1246
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: second time, although it was partially blocked, showing Nate that

1247
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: you know, wherever you think you're going to be, I'm dangerous.

1248
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: And can catch you. Pulls.

1249
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: He walks to a certain direction, he pulls Nate into it.

1250
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: Nate thinks it's going to go low, so he sticks

1251
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: his head out to get his feet behind him and

1252
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: go it lands clean. Well.

1253
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: Nate's bloody from an elbow in the clinch, so Josh

1254
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: on the ground and in the clinch is having big moments.

1255
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: This is a very good performs from Josh. And when

1256
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: you look up and down this great resume of Nate Diaz,

1257
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 2: who has stopped him nobody Well, there was the cuts

1258
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: against Jorge, but Nate was kind of having he was

1259
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: still in that to a certain degree. He got knocked

1260
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 2: the hell out here. This is the only man that's

1261
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: done it in the history of Nadia.

1262
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: Am I wrong?

1263
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: Well you're not wrong, But he didn't get knocked full out,

1264
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: Well he had. What's happening is he gets the head

1265
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: kick again and then he gets dropped and then a

1266
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: barrage of punches. But here's the rope. Key, let's look

1267
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: at the photo here. We make sure to put it

1268
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: before the show. The towel. See how the towel came in.

1269
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: Diaz's corner threw the towel in his defense and I

1270
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: don't know if he was dealing with injuries in the

1271
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: camp or not. I don't know if there was. You

1272
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: can see the towel being thrown right there. Again, they

1273
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: went in to save this dude. But it was the

1274
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: it was then it was the kick that landed and

1275
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: then the subsequent punch. Yeah, and he just had nothing.

1276
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was not, but he was hurt by the

1277
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 2: kick and the punches were firm and clean, and then.

1278
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,280
Speaker 1: His corner had enough. They saw enough. Josh Thompson remains

1279
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: the only guy to do that to Nate Diez even

1280
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: to this day, and Nay Diez has fought some fucking hammers.

1281
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: It was kind of like what Edward's deducemant just the

1282
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 3: opposite leg right.

1283
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, a little bit, maybe a little bit,

1284
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: but oh yes to a degree. But I'm just trying

1285
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: to point out here this was a This was a

1286
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: real bad loss for dz' scre I remember his stock

1287
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: after this, after the Henderson fight where he not only

1288
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: lost but was given him the finger because he just

1289
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: couldn't get anything done. And then to get stopped by

1290
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: Josh Thompson. It wasn't like he was fighting trumps, but

1291
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: the nature of the losses to go from thorough to

1292
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: them being stopped. The MMA community was beginning to toss

1293
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: Diaz out. Maybe I've seen that meme where the guy

1294
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: lets go of the toy. Ye, I don't want to

1295
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: play with you anymore. It was that kind of moment

1296
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 1: in the community.

1297
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 3: Well, Nate's frustrated, but we're back in another main event opportunity.

1298
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: Yes, he does rebound for this pretty nicely. So we

1299
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: go to now UFC on Fox, excuse me, the Ultimate

1300
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: Fighter again, Team Rowsey versus Team Tate finale. Back in

1301
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, he gets a knockout of the Night BC

1302
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: with now his second pro but third overall. Meeting with

1303
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: Gray Mayner. Now, I do believe BC it is fair

1304
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: to say Gray Maynard was in a somewhat compromised state

1305
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: since then, or as I say, at this game in hindsight.

1306
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 3: So it's weird.

1307
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 2: I see a lot of people saying this is actually

1308
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 2: the most dominant, best looking performance from Nadez.

1309
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 3: Now it was not even a full round. It was dominant.

1310
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: But to be fair, despite them having the history in

1311
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: the rival wherey Maynard was one two and one in

1312
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 2: his last four coming in and both losses were stoppages

1313
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 2: against Frankie Edgar and TJ Grant on strikes he had

1314
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: had a split decision went over Guida.

1315
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 3: So this is not you know, this is no longer

1316
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 3: prime Gray Maynard.

1317
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: But given their history here Luke Gray Maynard saying before

1318
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 2: the fight, this guy's got pillow hands, I'm gonna knock

1319
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 2: him out.

1320
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: I think Nate wanted to prove a point. Maybe it's

1321
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: the frustration of.

1322
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: Having lost twice for very little money at the high level.

1323
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: He wouldn't get big money here thirty thousand in a

1324
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 2: main event on regular TV here for the tough finale,

1325
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: But it was outside of the early takedown from Gray,

1326
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 2: it was all Nate.

1327
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 3: He rocked him, stopped him, kicked the shit out of him.

1328
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: Fight went half around two thirty eight of the round

1329
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: one is when they called it.

1330
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 3: And there was an edge to Nate in this one.

1331
00:53:58,719 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: He was mean.

1332
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: You thought it would be the type of thing that

1333
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 2: would lead to another momentum, and it wasn't. But it

1334
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 2: was another high point in.

1335
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: It was a reminder of what he could do. It

1336
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: was a real get back kind of win. It was

1337
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: an in your face kind of win. It was a

1338
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 1: very das kind of win in a certain kind of manner,

1339
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: if you want to look at it that way. But

1340
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It didn't sustain a new wave of fortune.

1341
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't. It didn't foretell of things to come in

1342
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: that way. Just a good reminder and by the way,

1343
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: a good way to win a rivalry as well, I

1344
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: suppose on that. So it takes us BC to something

1345
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: where I want to point out something as well. We

1346
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: mentioned he fought four times in twenty eleven, right, he

1347
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: fought twice in twenty twelve. He had the Thompson loss

1348
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: and the Gray Maynard win in twenty thirteen. Now we

1349
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: go to twenty fourteen, where he fought just one time,

1350
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, just one time. But for twenty fourteen it's

1351
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: UFC on Fox Dos Santos versus Miochi. You might be

1352
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: asking where is Nate Diaz? In this case, he is

1353
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: in the co main event. He is taking on half

1354
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: Filo dos Angos but BC. For folks who may not remember,

1355
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: this is peak Nate Da at odds with UFC prior

1356
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: to certainly the modern era. Anyway, he missed weight because

1357
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: he had a really bad injury. Heading into this, he

1358
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: had been at odds with the company and been fined

1359
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: for a certain language he had used. This was a

1360
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: real bad time.

1361
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: Does it make it better that he is in the

1362
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: co main event here of a nationally televised Fox card

1363
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 2: which is like a pay per view, and he's getting

1364
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 2: paid sixteen thousand base salary. He lost, so there's no

1365
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: bonus and fined four thousand for missing weight, which is

1366
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: his fault obviously.

1367
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: Yes, but you know, Ourda, it was a fight of

1368
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: the night bonus, but I don't know if he was

1369
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: eligible since he missed.

1370
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: Wait well, Ourda who comes in having seven and one

1371
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: in his last eight despite that loss to Habib during

1372
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 2: that run, which was you know, a clean domination by Habib.

1373
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: This is arguably the most dangerous RDA there was because

1374
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: he would use this And this is kind of the

1375
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: beginning of Nate being a king maker in the second

1376
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: half of his career. Guys that he would lose to

1377
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: would then go directly to a title shot. It would

1378
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 2: be or for ourda. But Urda making eighty six thousand

1379
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: on paper to come in forty one with the win bonus?

1380
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 2: Is Nate just in a long ass contract he can't

1381
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: get out of, Like, what the hell's going on here?

1382
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: Freaking sixteen thousand the Cole main event. How does the

1383
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: former titles challenger?

1384
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: Like, how is this even possible?

1385
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: The contracts are not in his favor? Draconian the draconian

1386
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,439
Speaker 1: at this point. Still, this is not that long ago.

1387
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: We're talking twenty fourteen.

1388
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 3: All right, how does Urda do it despite having any

1389
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: way he wants it?

1390
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:15,399
Speaker 1: Well?

1391
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but really the cafkicks Luke.

1392
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: He chopped him the hell up, worse than Rory did,

1393
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 2: worse than whoever did that. Also on this run, Luke,

1394
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 2: it was a continuation of that, but it was the

1395
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 2: most brutal of anyone.

1396
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: Also, this is also we talked about Peak Benson when

1397
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: Nate fought him. Here's Nate fighting Peak. I would say,

1398
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: are pretty close to peak RDA, right, because RDA doesn't

1399
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: have the belt at this point. But RDIA had just

1400
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: stopped Benson Henderson's flying knee, yes, well before this contest,

1401
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: so you're getting a version of RDA who is I

1402
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: mean red hot, And they had to encounter him unmotivated, injured,

1403
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: missing weight, hating life at this point, and it showed

1404
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: he had a bad performance.

1405
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: You know, this actually might be a lower moment than

1406
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: the Josh Thompson knock out lost.

1407
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 3: I think so because of where his headspace was.

1408
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 2: And if you noticed in in the third round though

1409
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: Nate trying, Nate slaps from the bottom, he slaps our

1410
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,359
Speaker 2: Da trying to get him to like brawl with him,

1411
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 2: and r DA just.

1412
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 3: Slaps up from battle back.

1413
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: Also, the leg kicks were so bad in this one

1414
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 1: that the referee had the doctor look at them between rounds.

1415
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you may you might be like, oh

1416
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 1: you being serious? Yes, that you may never see that again.

1417
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: Where a referee is not an eye injury, not a

1418
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: cut nothing.

1419
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: Leg kicks thirty twenty six, thirty twenty six and thirty

1420
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: twenty seven.

1421
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: And also the Wheaties. Look through roll the pictures one

1422
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: more time. I don't know if we have them. I

1423
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: may have just noticed this after the fact, the Wheaty's logo, right,

1424
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: you can see it right there at his feet. See

1425
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: that the Wheatie's logo was on the octagon at this time.

1426
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: I think Pettis is still the.

1427
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 3: Champion because Urda would go from this fight to knock him.

1428
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: Out, That's right. And then also Steven Seagal side was

1429
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: watching this fight.

1430
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 3: He taught Anderson Silva everything he learned. Hey, Luke, this

1431
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 3: would be the lowest point in all reality. Like we said,

1432
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: I remember thinking this was it. I remember thinking, look,

1433
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 3: we've seen him in the title level. Yeah, he's got

1434
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 3: a name, but dude, when he steps up, he kind

1435
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: of loses. You never would have guessed that this thisament,

1436
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 3: what is he at this age?

1437
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: Twenty nine, twenty eight, twenty nine, You.

1438
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 2: Know what, I have guessed that he would go on

1439
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: to main event pay per views. No, what I have

1440
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: guessed that he would come back around and kind of sniff,

1441
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: you know, being considered for titled shots because of his

1442
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: name inability. No, I really thought this was the beginning

1443
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: of the end, and you can never count out a

1444
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: DS because it's the same reason why there are a

1445
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 2: lot of people saying, look Comsat slower role on, He's

1446
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: going to tear him away.

1447
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 3: Nobody does that to Nadez. Really, outside of Josh Thompson,

1448
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: nobody does that to Nate Diz.

1449
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: His ability to constantly reinvent himself despite the odds around.

1450
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: Him, whether they're self enforced or not, has been amazing.

1451
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 2: He's a warrior, he's a survivor, and that takes us

1452
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 2: after a long layoff, to a very important fight in

1453
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: the story.

1454
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: Luke, Yes, Now, let's be very clear about something you

1455
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: talked about this being the low point. It wasn't just

1456
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: a low point with his own career. It was the

1457
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 1: low point I think with the fans. Yeah, this was

1458
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: the low point with the promotion. This is really everything

1459
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: had kind of fallen apart, everything he had built in

1460
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: that three fight run and whatever redemption he got from

1461
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: the Great Maynard rematch. Everything had kind of fall on

1462
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: a part through this. But here comes the redemption story.

1463
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: As you indicated, BC, Orlando, Florida is our destination. December

1464
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: nineteenth of twenty to fifteen speaking of dos Angos, this

1465
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: is Dosano's cowboy too. In the main event, of course,

1466
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: at that time, for the lightweight title. Nate Diaz on

1467
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: the main card taking on Michael.

1468
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 3: Johnson, guests, what's making here?

1469
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: Ooh, I'm going to say fifty.

1470
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: Forty grand would get the twenty grand bonus. But here's

1471
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: the key note to show you how low Nate was

1472
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: considered here despite being a name, as a proven product.

1473
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 3: He'll give you a fun fights.

1474
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 2: Michael Johnson the pre fight interview says, I'm going to

1475
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 2: retire Nate Diaz. I'm going to knock him out and

1476
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 2: retire him. So that was a thought that was relatively

1477
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: in play, that he was that close.

1478
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: And also, I want to point out this is not

1479
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: the Black Zillion's backyard, but we're in Florida, so they

1480
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: booked the Florida guys on here. Here once again is

1481
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,959
Speaker 1: Nate Diaz going to somebody else's.

1482
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 2: Back The visual difference at the start of this fight,

1483
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 2: and Goldie would point it out, is coming off that

1484
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: year plus layoff the best shape of Nate's career, he

1485
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 2: looked by fremendous, so in his mind it already had

1486
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: the dead end at welcherweight. He had already sort of

1487
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: you know, went to the title level but couldn't get

1488
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: their two loss in a row.

1489
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 3: I think this is him going, look, you know, let's.

1490
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: Start at the beginning, let's refresh, let's do it, no

1491
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: stone unturned, take long time off, refresh the mind, refreshed

1492
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: the body, and let's make one more big ass run

1493
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: at it.

1494
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 3: And he came out with that intensity really right off

1495
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 3: the start.

1496
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: And at about three minutes in of the first round,

1497
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: of the three minute mark or so maybe the two

1498
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: minute mark, but about three minutes in is when everything

1499
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: began to turn Diaz his way. Now. Of course, in

1500
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: the end it's a unanimous decision twenty nine to twenty

1501
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: eight in his favor, so Michael Johnson was hardly out

1502
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: of this fight in that sense. But Diaz had that

1503
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: reach you have gone back and talked about, I think

1504
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: quite rightly over and over again. And the three minute

1505
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: mark is the first time you see Daz smile at

1506
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: Michael Johnson because I think he felt like, bitch, I gotcha,

1507
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: I got you right where I want you. Now again,

1508
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: Michael Johnson went to the lake kicks a little bit

1509
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: not enough, I thought in this contest to get it done.

1510
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: He had some decent moments where he would pop Daz

1511
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: as well, had some good body work, but b see

1512
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: a truer fall the boxing of Diaz. Yes it was

1513
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: back in the Maynard fight, but here was a competitive

1514
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: fight against the ranked contender at the time, and Diaz

1515
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: put it on him with his box out.

1516
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: I don't want to forget about the closing sequence of

1517
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: this flight. I had forgotten that Nate got rocked by

1518
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: a big punch and it looked like he was.

1519
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 3: A little wobbly. He was able to close the show,

1520
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 3: tried for to take down when Nate going downhill.

1521
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 2: Look at the taunting in this fight, the pointing, the laughing,

1522
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 2: the smiling, even doing this when he's the aggressor and

1523
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: he can get his shots off, and with Michael Johnson,

1524
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 2: there wasn't a ton of a takedown thread.

1525
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 3: You know, he's a boxer, he can get you out

1526
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 3: of there, but this is at lightweight.

1527
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: He found a way to get back in and find

1528
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: the very best of Nate an incredible shape, ripped up

1529
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: and over three rounds, as you mentioned, get winning by

1530
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: one point in all three cards. But it was clear

1531
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 2: Michael Johnson kicked him after the bell. Do you see

1532
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: that was like tried, Yes, and that tension would take

1533
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 2: us into the post fight interview, which you could argue

1534
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: is up there on the mount rushmore of nate iconic

1535
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 2: viral moments.

1536
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: Not just Nate iconic viral moment, but what's one of

1537
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: the most impactful post fight speeches ever in terms of

1538
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: what someone did to get something else? This might be

1539
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: number one. You guys might all remember it, but it

1540
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: is worth pointing out. Let's roll it.

1541
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: This is a beautiful performance against a very tough guy

1542
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 3: in Michael Johnson. How do you feel about it?

1543
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Connor McGregor, you're taking everything I work for.

1544
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: Mother, I'm gonna fight your Yeah, you know what's the

1545
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: real fight.

1546
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 4: What's real money fights me. It's not the clowns that

1547
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 4: you already plunked at the press conference. I don't no

1548
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 4: one want to see that. You know, you beat them already.

1549
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 4: That's an easy fight. Throught that real right here, and unfortunately.

1550
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 3: We can that you forget PC He did say that. Yeah,

1551
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 3: you can't say that.

1552
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: Van Regan's like you're trying to pull the microphone away.

1553
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: He did it on national television. That is one of

1554
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: the most icons.

1555
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:42,919
Speaker 3: What's the date on this fight?

1556
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: So the date on this fight, I believe we're in

1557
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: December of twenty fifteen, in Oncember nineteenth at the Amway Center,

1558
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: will we So.

1559
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 3: Let's talk about where we are in the historic timeline.

1560
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 2: This is the same month that Conor McGregor knocked out

1561
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: Josie Aldough with one punch after kind of becoming the

1562
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: UFC's favorite son over that previous year, fighting Mendes on

1563
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 2: short notice, being willing to do anything despite injury fighting

1564
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 2: on a busy schedule. Connor McGregor has taken over the

1565
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: public narrative of who's the next big thing, And it's

1566
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 2: at a time too when it's like Lesnar's gone away,

1567
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 2: Rousey's still here, but Connor took it and ran and

1568
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: became the biggest star of the sport has ever seen.

1569
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 2: So who's angrier than Nate Diaz who is on national

1570
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: television here again not getting paid anything close to what he's.

1571
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 3: Deserve it or earning.

1572
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: He picked the right haul out of the right person

1573
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 2: at the right time, but he would really need the

1574
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 2: right amount of luck to actually get that fight.

1575
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 3: Which brings us to March of twenty sixteen a couple

1576
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 3: months later.

1577
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: Basically, people forget this. Connor mcgar was supposed to fight

1578
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: half f ay Alo dos Angos with the lightweight.

1579
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 3: To think about moving open with just wins the just

1580
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 3: won the featherweight title by one fight.

1581
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: You've ever seen the press conference he eats Halfelo doos

1582
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: Angos alive. Connor McGregor does wearing the Pablo Escobard or

1583
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: El Choppo I think was he was wearing the shirt.

1584
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: In any case that fight falls through, RDA can't make it.

1585
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: Foot injury, foot injury, they can't make it, so they

1586
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: have to find replacement. We talked to your favorite about it.

1587
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: He was one of the contenders they were trying to find.

1588
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 2: Ryah revealed Nate how he did the back and forth

1589
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 2: with the UFC due that was like stone cold like

1590
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 2: Nate as a negotiator and ended up working himself into

1591
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 2: the pick for even more money. I think the he

1592
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: would only get paid five hundred thousand for the first

1593
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 2: McGregor fight on paper, which obviously doesn't count of pay

1594
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: per view bonus. It would go up to two million,

1595
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 2: by the way, on paper for the rematch. But when

1596
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 2: you heard that Connor McGregor's not going to fight for

1597
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: the lightweight title, but at UFC one ninety six to

1598
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 2: fight out Carl I was at and it's one of

1599
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 2: the most incredible nights in the fights history.

1600
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 3: And you should take Holly Holman the co main event.

1601
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 3: What did you think about who might win? Like this

1602
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 3: is Nate in a paper the main event.

1603
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: I think one of the things I realized doing this

1604
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: whole exercise and going through and watching these fights is

1605
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: I think I have at times probably slept on Nate

1606
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: more than I should have. And I've not been a

1607
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: guy who thought he was bad ever, but I think

1608
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: a lot of us at the time got swept up

1609
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: in the larger narrative about Nate being a malcontent. Remember

1610
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: we kind of glossed over the fact that it's during

1611
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: this time around the half of Los Angeles era where

1612
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: Dania White famously said Nate's not on needlem over his

1613
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: other is this guy's not right. We had kind of

1614
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: had this whole message inculcated about how Nate's not that great,

1615
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: Nate's not that good, he's a lesser Nick And the

1616
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: reality was that was all was unfair from the word go.

1617
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:12,919
Speaker 1: It was not really all that true.

1618
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 3: It was.

1619
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: It was manifested to be true by sort of force

1620
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: of the promoter and of course media being compliant as well.

1621
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: But Nate had other plans.

1622
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 2: They had chant to him negotiating himself up to a

1623
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars base salary.

1624
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 3: That's he deserves that for all those other shitty fighting.

1625
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: This is why you this is why you want him

1626
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: to get the Jake Paul fight, because he is he

1627
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: is that he is overdue for a big payday. Now

1628
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: it takes us to UFC one ninety six PC mark

1629
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 1: cover that fight. Uh, not live. I don't think I

1630
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: covered that one live six March or twenty sixteen.

1631
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 3: You were there, I was there, and I had covered

1632
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 3: a couple of UFC cards.

1633
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 2: In fact, my first UFC card covered was the Tough

1634
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: Finale with Rosnama Units and Carlos as far As also

1635
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas. This was my first Las Vegas pay

1636
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 2: per view UFC fight week, and coming over from boxing,

1637
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 2: where you know we've had fun pay per view weeks,

1638
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 2: and the Mayweather run was fun for many reasons.

1639
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 3: I had never experienced a fight week as fun.

1640
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: Maybe with the exception of Mayweather, Canelo because the Mexican

1641
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: fan base just brought such excitement to that this was

1642
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 2: out of control. Do you remember the pressor It wasn't

1643
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: the water bottle on It was the one where Connor

1644
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 2: got up in Nate's face and pressed the buttons enough

1645
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: where Nate took a swipe at him.

1646
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: And I remember just they had the one at the

1647
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: UFC Gym as well about how you're making animalloons with one.

1648
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: You know, they had let the fans into all these

1649
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 2: press events and the McGregor could not be hotter luke

1650
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 2: coming into this fight.

1651
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 3: It was just fun to be part of this. It

1652
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 3: was fun to see Nate get this opportunity.

1653
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: And don't forget this is a welterweight fight in which

1654
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 2: Connor was just a featherweight the day before. He's kind

1655
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 2: of moving up in some ways two weight cless there,

1656
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 2: although he was preparing obviously for a lightweight fight. I

1657
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 2: remember thinking, look the weight disparity. There were some mmy

1658
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 2: hardcore saying no, on Nate's gonna win this, but I

1659
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 2: remember thinking, look, if Connor McGregor can get off on him,

1660
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: Nate doesn't get knocked out. Outside of the Josh Thompson fight,

1661
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: but Connor's just a force. In the first round of

1662
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 2: this fight, Connor was a freaking force.

1663
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: Now Conter was throwing everything he wanted, landing a lot.

1664
01:06:58,680 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 3: Of it, bloodying Nate up.

1665
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: And now what we'd find out afterwards is Connor didn't

1666
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 2: make the weight the right way. Once the weight changed

1667
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 2: from lightweight to now he welterweight fight.

1668
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 3: He said he was eating stakes all week.

1669
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: He didn't have the guests, so the line for the

1670
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: rematch was stakes not solid and something like that.

1671
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 2: Look in terms of like turns and having made history

1672
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 2: and turns. Obviously the fifth round on the same night

1673
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: of Tate Holm had a massive turn. But you know,

1674
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 2: maybe Carwin Lesner is the only comparison here to what

1675
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: happened where one round looked a certain way and then

1676
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,919
Speaker 2: the second round went the complete other way Itnate didn't

1677
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 2: dominate to start the second round, but at the end

1678
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 2: of the first look, he was ripped up, bloody, beaten,

1679
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 2: and I'm'm thinking, look, how much more before our ref

1680
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 2: stops this dude to cuts Connor? Really is that dude?

1681
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 2: He just moved up kind of two weight classes against

1682
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 2: the you know, toughest SOB we've had in a while

1683
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 2: and look he's putting it the hell on him. He

1684
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: opened round two putting it up the hell on him.

1685
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 2: But that change in momentum is among the most It

1686
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 2: wasn't just a moment. You could feel it coming. And

1687
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 2: now I'm in the media room next door, and I

1688
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,959
Speaker 2: could start to feel like a that you can feel

1689
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: it the table and as it happened, as it got

1690
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: to that moment, I don't know if I have anything

1691
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: to compare that to.

1692
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 3: And I wasn't even in the building. I was adjacent.

1693
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: She does feel like Lesner Carwin a little bit to me.

1694
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: But this is you ask if my watches fights very rarely.

1695
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: This one she made time for. She's a big Nate

1696
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: dis fan. This one we made time for. And we

1697
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 1: were both that's right, because I wasn't at this fight.

1698
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 1: We were screaming in the living room at the three

1699
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 1: minute mark of the second round when we just know

1700
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: but we just couldn't believe what we were looking at

1701
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,839
Speaker 1: because to your point, like you know, Nate was hanging

1702
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: in there in the first round, but Connor was tee

1703
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: and off, throwing spinning hook kicks, big ass left hands

1704
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: from like way far away and then finding a way.

1705
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: But then you can see in the second round, here's

1706
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: the moment in the three minute mark, Nate begins to

1707
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: take center and when he begins to take center, he

1708
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: begins to land on a much more visibly fatigued Connor McGregor,

1709
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: and then a big one two lands and then that

1710
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: stumbled him a.

1711
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 3: Coward to the level where Connor McGregor shot. Remember that

1712
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 3: he shot in.

1713
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: And again that's what Jim Miller did to him too.

1714
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: He had been there before since for the guillotine. Connor rolls,

1715
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 1: he tries to take base again, Nate stops him, takes

1716
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: mount pounds on him. Connor turns, he puts the choke

1717
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: in from the blind side, locks it up and there's

1718
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: an immediate tap that's in it, and Joe Rogan lost

1719
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: his fucking mind.

1720
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the beginning of this new era of like

1721
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 2: UFC putting the cam on the on the announcers, and

1722
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: almost the announcers are trained to know that when the

1723
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: knockout happens, go crazy because you'll be on the broadcast later.

1724
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 2: I mean, Maro Ronalo was doing that with ww around

1725
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 2: this time, but that was like, this was one of

1726
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 2: those just fucking viral insane moments. I told you the

1727
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 2: story of my cousin, Mike Campbell, who was there that weekend.

1728
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: I gave him my press pass, which was a seat

1729
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 2: in the arena, eye level, last row in the first sectional.

1730
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 2: Ethical for you to do that, and he watches as

1731
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,959
Speaker 2: his first two UFC fights Holme and Tate and McGregor

1732
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 2: Diaz one Luke. We said, we were so happy that

1733
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 2: Nate finally got this payday that he deserved retroactively. Wasn't

1734
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: this the most Nate Diaz way to win a freaking fight?

1735
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: It probably was getting bloodied. I mean, he's dripping blood,

1736
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 1: hanging on, then finding a way to stunt him with

1737
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: the boxing, forcing a guy who had talked about people

1738
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: being weak for shooting, making them shoot, and then using

1739
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: that incredible jiu jitsu to finish him off. The crowd

1740
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: went insane, the commentators went insane. But we talked about

1741
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: what he did after the Michael Johnson fight, and here

1742
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 1: comes one of the by the way, after beating McGregor,

1743
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: getting up and doing this which became a mirror, which

1744
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: became a mural, a mural, excuse me, and and just

1745
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: an iconic shot and then finally they clean him up

1746
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: and Joe Rogan puts a microphone in his face. I

1747
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: don't need to tell you what happens next, but just

1748
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: for the purposes of reminding you, let's take a look.

1749
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 3: He just shook up the world. How's that feel.

1750
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised, mother. It just there's one Nadaz, There's

1751
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 1: one Nate Diaz that was truly a moment you can't

1752
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: completely transformed his fortunes, completely transformed his career, a major success.

1753
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: He turns out to be an mma and it feels

1754
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: like overnight. But I hope through this exercise, folks, you

1755
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: understand this was a long time.

1756
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 2: And that moment was so impactful that just yesterday, I'm

1757
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 2: not doing a bit Redden shops sat in this podcast

1758
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 2: that that moment is what made him name his first comedy.

1759
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:16,679
Speaker 3: Specially you might be surprised, not the Rogan thing that moment.

1760
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true.

1761
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 3: He said it yesterday. I'm not even kidding, but as

1762
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 3: iconic a moment.

1763
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: So Nate goes from not journeyman but like durable warrior

1764
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 2: who the fans love, who maybe doesn't always get.

1765
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 3: The best luck and shoots himself on the foot sometimes

1766
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 3: to Luke a legitimate pay per view star.

1767
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 2: The rub you could have gotten from rallying behind Bloody

1768
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 2: to stop a conom McGregor, who's that popular?

1769
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 3: Is the featherweight champion? Look, he's now a pay per

1770
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 3: view star. I did not think we would ever get

1771
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 3: to this.

1772
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: He's not the needle mover except oh, wait, all of

1773
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: a sudden he is. It's just a function of what

1774
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: your imagination can be. And Nate always believed in himself,

1775
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: not really as a guy who could win, but as

1776
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 1: a guy that he could be popular and make money

1777
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: and be the kind of attraction that he ultimately turned

1778
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: out to be. Now, the problem with beating Connor this

1779
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: way is you can't do it once BC, you got

1780
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 1: to do it twice. So they meet up again. We

1781
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: fast forward, Well.

1782
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 3: It was supposed to be Luke. This was March UFC

1783
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 3: one ninety six, UFC two hundred, Yes, was that July?

1784
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 3: It was supposed to be them. Connor McGregor famously said.

1785
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: What didn't want to chat the media?

1786
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 2: Didn't want to fly from Iceland and training camp with

1787
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 2: Gooner Nelson to go to Las Vegas to do this

1788
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: press conference for UFC two hundred to penalize him. He

1789
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 2: retired on Twitter, though Dana would push it back to

1790
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 2: UFC two o two in August. I had an option

1791
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 2: with ESPN to go to SummerSlam in Brooklyn and cover

1792
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 2: that or go to Vegas and do this.

1793
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 3: And I don't know what I was thinking at the time.

1794
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 3: We just launched the ww page at ESPN. I picked Somers.

1795
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: You're a dumbass, all right, this is watching wrestling.

1796
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 2: This second fight here Nate Diez versus Connor McGregor two. Nate,

1797
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 2: like I mentioned, we get a two million base salary.

1798
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 2: Shout out to Nate Luke. Not only did it break

1799
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: the pay per view records, this card for.

1800
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: It was.

1801
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 3: Is this the top five UFC fight of all time?

1802
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 3: Because I don't feel like it gets.

1803
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: For me, not for me. But again August twentieth, Team

1804
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: ol Arena, would you say it takes three? Yes, Yes

1805
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: it was. This was the one where Connor said, Okay,

1806
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 1: you got the best of me. But his pre fight

1807
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: talk was all that I'm going to keep it at

1808
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: one seventy and want all the same circumstances as before.

1809
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: And what I'm going to show you is when I

1810
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: apply myself properly, I can get the job done, and

1811
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,719
Speaker 1: BC I thought in a large part that was basically true.

1812
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: The fight went the full distance. We thought Connor was

1813
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: going to gas and it look like he was on

1814
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: his way there. But he did have a bit of

1815
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: a late rally. It should be noted, and you can

1816
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: see here this was one of the big differences. He

1817
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: simplified his game plan so where he went back to

1818
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: the leg kicks, dropping Nate I think three times, once

1819
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: in the first round, twice in the second time.

1820
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: It surprised me in the second fight, even though he

1821
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: had dominated Nate in the first round of the first fight,

1822
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 2: it surprised me to see Connor have that big a

1823
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:44,680
Speaker 2: success where he's dropping me.

1824
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,559
Speaker 1: Yes, because he didn't really do that in the first

1825
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: one at all. He bloodied him, but he didn't drop

1826
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 1: him like that.

1827
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 2: But the reason why this fight was so dramatic, not

1828
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 2: only was it five rounds of action back and forth.

1829
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 2: In fact, don't forget it was so violent. People forgot

1830
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 2: the violent this fight is. Dana afterwards was like, I'm

1831
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 2: not going to match him a third time because they'll

1832
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 2: kill each other. Don't forget about where this fight was

1833
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 2: virally in our culture and it's why it broke the

1834
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 2: UFC record for pay per view buys that was inevitably

1835
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 2: broken by Connor versus Abib. Is that the build up

1836
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 2: in the press conference throwing water bottles at each other,

1837
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,560
Speaker 2: that shit was okay, that's national news across.

1838
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: Every Shields throwing the coffee, shields.

1839
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 3: Grabbing the laptop or trying to and stuck like. These

1840
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 3: two are like celebrities. These two are like this was I.

1841
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 1: There are not many times were a UFC fight really

1842
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 1: crosses over into like the major mainstream. This one was everywhere.

1843
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: It was all over Fox Sports, it was all over ESPN,

1844
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: it was all over every water cooler discussion. Every one

1845
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: of my friends who didn't watch MMA was asking me

1846
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: about this one. This one had transcended to a very

1847
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: new level that other even big UFC fights like million

1848
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: dollar pay per view or million pay per view buys,

1849
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 1: don't reach this level. This was a special guy.

1850
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 3: You got to give even though this isn't about Connor Mcreier,

1851
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,560
Speaker 3: don't you got to give him credit in hindsight for

1852
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 3: turning back his notion of being someone who guessed all

1853
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 3: the time.

1854
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 2: Like there were two legitimate moments in this five round

1855
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 2: fight where I thought all Connor's guest, it's over.

1856
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 3: He did dig deep. Do you do you think looking back.

1857
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 2: That he deserved on the scorecards, meaning Connor McGregor the

1858
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 2: win in this rematch, We.

1859
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: Actually have the scorecard. We can put that up. Let's

1860
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: take a look at it here for just a second.

1861
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: He wins forty eight forty seven. I believe on all

1862
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: three of the judges' scorecards, and you can see here

1863
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 1: Glen Trowbridge, Jeff Mullen and Derek clearly they all score it.

1864
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 2: Let's see it's a majority of decision because one card

1865
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 2: is forty seven forty seven because of a ten to

1866
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 2: eight third round in favor of Nate.

1867
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.

1868
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 3: That was when Connor gaessed badly and Nate put it on.

1869
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: And they put it on him. In fact, the stats,

1870
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 1: I have them here in front of me. They speak

1871
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: to this here a little bit, if I may. In

1872
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: this second Connor McGregor fight again. He gets knocked down

1873
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,679
Speaker 1: three times. They did is much busier, attempting four hundred

1874
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: and thirty five strikes but only landing one hundred and

1875
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: sixty six. McGregor attempting three hundred and twenty two landing

1876
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty four. But listen to the round

1877
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: by round breakdown. That's more relevant. So we're gonna go

1878
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: Diaz McGregor twenty five to thirty four, thirty seven, thirty four.

1879
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: That's that big round two, although he does there's two

1880
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: knockdowns credited for Connor McGregor round three forty nine to

1881
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,600
Speaker 1: twenty six, and I thought that was when Nate was

1882
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: really going to begin to turn things.

1883
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 3: But credit to McGregor, he found it, He found the game.

1884
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:07,640
Speaker 1: We go Diaz McGregor thirty six to forty six, and

1885
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: then in round five nineteen to twenty four. Pretty pretty job.

1886
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 3: Really could have gone either way. Do you remember how

1887
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 3: you scored? I had it for Connor just barely.

1888
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 1: I think I had Connor three too. I had Connor

1889
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: three two, if you could.

1890
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,879
Speaker 2: Go back to this point. So August of twenty sixteen,

1891
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 2: they had just broken the UFC record essentially twice with

1892
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 2: the first two fighter or I think they were one

1893
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 2: in three in UFC history. Being this rivalry, you would

1894
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,560
Speaker 2: have guessed Nate Diaz would take the ultimate rub of

1895
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 2: two fights with Connor gregor, two in which he've performed great,

1896
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,920
Speaker 2: one in which he won, argued that he won the

1897
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 2: second one and would have gone on to fight name

1898
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 2: famous celebrity, old guy fighter and what just continued this

1899
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 2: pay per view run.

1900
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:47,080
Speaker 1: But he didn't.

1901
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 3: But he didn't. He took three years off, three years up.

1902
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,759
Speaker 3: Now like he finally gotten paid because of these two cards.

1903
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 3: But it wasn't as if he planned to take three

1904
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 3: years off. There was a lot of back and forth

1905
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 3: with the UFC during this run of Dana saying he's

1906
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 3: impossible to you, we.

1907
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: Tried for the fact they put him a Tyrone Woodley

1908
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: fight after a time.

1909
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 3: But look, he had now entered a different tax bracket.

1910
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 2: Would it be fair to say in hindsight, now he's

1911
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,600
Speaker 2: making like I said two million on here, I know

1912
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 2: he's going to demand a lot.

1913
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 3: I always argue during this three year run he deserves it.

1914
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 3: He is now a major, major player. The UFC never

1915
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 3: sees that.

1916
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: This three year absence felt to me again, I know

1917
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: they give him. They were offered him Woodley fight when

1918
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:25,560
Speaker 1: Woodley was champion. This this three year absence, to me

1919
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: felt like the fans finally recognized who Nate Diez was,

1920
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: and the promotion refused to recognize In many ways.

1921
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 2: And you know they're saying, oh, we offen fights, but

1922
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 2: it's not for big money that not offer him.

1923
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 3: They probably put him back at a lower price bracket.

1924
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 3: He probably said, f that, I know what I'm worth.

1925
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: I know, like he did, we miss wore it out?

1926
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 3: What did we miss?

1927
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 2: It's it's one thing to say what did we miss

1928
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 2: in that three year window in terms of big fights

1929
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 2: that could have been?

1930
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 3: And we can go back and forth. Who cares? Really

1931
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 3: what did we miss? Innate? In terms of that being

1932
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 3: is there is that? That's his second prime, right, that's

1933
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 3: his second sort of I.

1934
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: Think what we missed was some of the better years

1935
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: of his competitive ability. Because we'll talk about this here

1936
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: in just a minute. He's taking on chamioa UFC two

1937
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 1: seventy nine. Nate's thirty seven. We saw him as a

1938
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: twenty two year old kid and he was too raw

1939
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: at that time. But again we go back to it

1940
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: the Goamy, the Seroni and the Miller Trio fights. When

1941
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 1: he's just about to be thirty years old. That is

1942
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 1: when he is absolutely locked in physically great. He's had

1943
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: some good performances subsequent to that. We've talked about some

1944
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: of them. He's had some not so great ones, but

1945
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 1: at thirty seven, I do feel like obviously this was

1946
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: before that, but I think from that twenty sixteenth to

1947
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen period we missed some good spots of Nate's

1948
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: early to mid thirties where he could have been dealing

1949
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: on something. We would have lost some too. I don't

1950
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: think he was the best guy, and you never know.

1951
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,759
Speaker 3: What that time off did to give him the fuel

1952
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 3: to do this tremaia fighting.

1953
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: Whatever he's going to do next. Sometimes that's there, but hey,

1954
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 2: let's fast forward three years.

1955
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: Three years later. I remember the.

1956
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 3: Build to this. There was a press conference in which

1957
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 3: Nate was there in Los Angeles and we were all

1958
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 3: fired up. Three years removed. He's going to fight Anthony Pettis,

1959
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 3: which was a cool.

1960
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 1: Fight on paper in a lot of the ways he

1961
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: was supposed to fight and Dustin Partier for a time

1962
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: and that whole got that was.

1963
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 3: Going to be the year before at New York City.

1964
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 1: It did been.

1965
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 3: At that pressor they announced Connor McGregor's return.

1966
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 1: Yes, and he hat walked out.

1967
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 3: Yes, So he's still feeling.

1968
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 1: Like the off, Yes, they kind of are to a degree,

1969
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 1: all right. August seventeenth, twenty nineteen UFC two forty one.

1970
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 1: He takes on Anthony Pettish. Might be asking where was

1971
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: he on the card? This was headlined by Miochic versus Carmier,

1972
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: which one one. I believe this was the rematch because

1973
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,759
Speaker 1: Cormier is already the champion, so, uh, Diaz versus Pettis

1974
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: is your co mate. Now. I thought that this was

1975
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: a very smart move by Nate Diaz because I thought

1976
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 1: Pettis was a little bit chop worn at that point,

1977
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: and Dies could swoop right in with better boxing. He's fresh,

1978
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: he's had three years off, and he could do something

1979
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 1: to him. That's exactly what happened, including with even better wrestling.

1980
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: He selectively found a good opponent with a good name,

1981
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:51,719
Speaker 1: with a good exciting style who he could still still dangerous.

1982
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 3: This is who stopped Stephen Thompson after this.

1983
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:56,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so he's still dangerous, no doubt about it.

1984
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 1: But was beatable in a way that Nate could make

1985
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 1: it work, and he did. He looked adous.

1986
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:03,799
Speaker 2: Look, it wasn't a callback to who he was before,

1987
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 2: but it's still the premise of if Nate Diaz can

1988
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 2: get off first and be the aggressor going after you.

1989
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't the same level of volume or aggression, and

1990
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 2: he did have to be larry of taking shots back.

1991
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 2: But true or false, you came out of here going

1992
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 2: you know he might still be able to compete against

1993
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 2: the elites in this game, Like I was re confident

1994
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 2: again it because after three years, you don't know what

1995
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 2: you're gonna get.

1996
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: I thought after this one, with the right matchups, he

1997
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: could beat a lot of guys. So that's why I

1998
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: like the Poorier fight. Like Portia is a tough guy.

1999
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: I would pick Pooria to win. But with the way

2000
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 1: in which he looked here, I was like, just the

2001
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: right matchup could fit just.

2002
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 2: I remember thinking he would get another title shot. I

2003
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 2: thought this was enough to revamp him.

2004
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 1: But luke the post, do we have the post by

2005
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: interview to throw to I don't think that we because

2006
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 1: it actually was, well we do, yes, I'm sorry, we do.

2007
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: Do you think we'll be seen you fighting regularly?

2008
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:50,760
Speaker 4: Now?

2009
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 3: If he's kind, everybody shucks.

2010
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 4: But with.

2011
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: This belt, I want to defend it against.

2012
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 3: Or Ay Madvendad had a good last client.

2013
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 4: I'll respect to the man, but there ain't no gangsters

2014
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 4: in his name anymore.

2015
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:16,799
Speaker 3: There ain't nobody who done.

2016
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: It right by man him. So I know, man, he

2017
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: ain't no West Coch gangsters. So there you have it,

2018
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: calling out Jorge mass That was a fun moment. He

2019
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: remember that really fun moment. And here was Nate being like,

2020
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:29,640
Speaker 1: I've got a little bit of time left to make

2021
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of money now that I'm here, let

2022
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 1: me selectively work my way through this process to the

2023
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 1: extent that he could, creating his own future right because

2024
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,560
Speaker 1: he manifested the Connor Magregor experience to a degree. He

2025
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 1: manifested by finding and waited for the just right moment.

2026
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 1: And Anthony Pettis calling out masveoal Masveal wanted to make

2027
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 1: use of his surgeing popularity at the exact.

2028
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 3: Time Masvidal had knocked out Ben Askrin. That's so you're

2029
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 3: talking about how perfect calling and so with the performance.

2030
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 2: I remember thinking in that moment, Wow, Nate might get

2031
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 2: himself back into the title picture. Instead, he gets himself

2032
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 2: in the bm F title picture. So we all love

2033
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 2: this matchup. I became a headlining pay per view with

2034
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 2: UFC's trip to MSG same night as Canelo cove Leve.

2035
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: We remember what happened there November second, twent nineteen. We

2036
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: were I was there, were you there.

2037
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 3: I was at Kinelical, so I was out here.

2038
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: So I watched this fight in the MGM Grand Arena,

2039
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 2: which I still can't believe it actually happened that Yeah,

2040
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: but here's the deal, Luke, I remember thinking and tell

2041
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 2: me in that post for interview, he shows Hooge a

2042
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 2: lot of respects, saying we're the last gangsters. That's right

2043
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 2: on the East West coast gangster. So he still you know,

2044
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 2: puts himself over. I thought this mixed with that Brooklyn

2045
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 2: press conference, which if you give you UFC credit in

2046
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 2: terms of set up with the sun coming down the

2047
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 2: Brooklyn Bridge behind them in Manhattan there, uh, that looked

2048
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 2: like in you know, him in Jorge dress like Tony Montana.

2049
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 3: You were like, this is gonna be awesome. And then

2050
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 3: they were.

2051
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 2: Almost too much of the same thing. They didn't talk

2052
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 2: trash at each other. Do you think Nate in hindsight

2053
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 2: aired in not calling out Joorge more more like aggressively,

2054
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 2: like making it more of an enemy thing. It was

2055
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 2: almost as if he showed him too much.

2056
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: I'll say this, Nate works best when he is working

2057
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: against the machine. Yes, when he's the guy who's the iconoclass,

2058
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: but you had another guy who kind of had his

2059
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: own story in that way.

2060
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 3: Mean these two these are yeah, a little bit of.

2061
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 1: The Spider Man meme. But I'll tell you what, President

2062
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 1: Trump showed up to the place. I remember getting in

2063
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: with the security was fucking insane the whole time. And

2064
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: I gotta say it was a smart call out for

2065
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: the opponent in terms of big name, big dollars, big size,

2066
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 1: but it ended up backfiring because Jorge mass would all

2067
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:25,320
Speaker 1: beat his ass.

2068
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 3: Well, let's be honest about who Jorgey Maswital was.

2069
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 2: This is his what third fight of twenty nineteen in

2070
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 2: which he would resurgently become the fighter of the year. Yes,

2071
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 2: it stopped there until he had stopped Ben Askrin.

2072
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: I rocked the rock, was at the press, was there with.

2073
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 3: The b MF.

2074
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:37,960
Speaker 1: Bell.

2075
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 3: It was a big friget. I still can't believe UFC

2076
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 3: did that. Like I give them credit in hindsight, I

2077
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 3: still can't believe they've created a WWF title basically and

2078
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 3: did this fight what they did?

2079
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 2: Okay, and I coming into it, Let's be honest about

2080
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 2: who Jorgey was in alien This was Jorge Masoudalt, who

2081
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 2: had turned things around from the desert in Central not

2082
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 2: the desert, the force in Central America at that reality

2083
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:02,759
Speaker 2: show had started baptizing people almost like twenty thirteen Vitur.

2084
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 2: Although for different reasons, I look at like Jorge will

2085
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 2: never be that again, and I almost can't believe he was.

2086
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 2: But who he was walking into the cage that night

2087
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 2: was a dangerous, fricking man that even a resurgent Nate

2088
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,560
Speaker 2: Diez really had nothing for.

2089
01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 3: Now.

2090
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,400
Speaker 1: There were a couple of times Nate was able to

2091
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 1: pop him with a good one too, and you would

2092
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: see Jorge smile when they would clinch. But to your point,

2093
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,520
Speaker 1: Nate got dropped multiple times in this fight heavy bodykicks.

2094
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 1: The bodykicks were devastating the boxing. You see the cut

2095
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 1: open there.

2096
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 3: Well, who gives Nate trouble?

2097
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 1: What was this fight?

2098
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 3: It was the walterweight fight.

2099
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 2: Officials was Walter, But even when he would go at

2100
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 2: some light time, when he fought big lightweights who are

2101
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: basically Walter, waits and is kind of what this is

2102
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 2: and a guy who's that explosive. Nate's idea of let

2103
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 2: me try to counter you and wait for you to

2104
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 2: make a mistake. It's just not going to happen. Jorge

2105
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 2: beat him to the punch consistently, and I don't think

2106
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 2: it's as one sided as people remember. So I'm glad

2107
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 2: you brought that up, because he did have moments and

2108
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 2: when it was stopped it was one.

2109
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,719
Speaker 1: Sided in the sense that, like Nate had punctuated moments,

2110
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: but the heavy artillery was all on Jogey side. The

2111
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: thing that that that guy like Nate says is well, listen,

2112
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: if that fight was in a different state, the cut

2113
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: doctor wouldn't have stopped it, which they probably true, probably.

2114
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 3: True reason to be sensored from some of the boxing

2115
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 3: the Magga DA fair enough.

2116
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: Who don't understand the history. They're they're a little bit

2117
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: more cautious. But the reality was Nate was trying to

2118
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 1: set up a fight against the guy who stylistically he

2119
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: had a chance of winning against and a big name

2120
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: mission accomplished. The problem was he got dealt.

2121
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 3: So here's what I'm saying.

2122
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 2: In hindsight, if you're a super Nate fan, you're like,

2123
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 2: looking back, what should he have done differently? You know,

2124
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 2: if they would have fought six months later, they could

2125
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 2: probably win that fight.

2126
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 3: It's just that version of Jorge.

2127
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 2: Was writing so much momentum, was so confident, was basically

2128
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 2: a living and breathing Tony Montana like character version. And

2129
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 2: you know, he would go on to lose a lot

2130
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 2: of that momentum, and then people stopped liking him as much,

2131
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 2: and then he got knocked the hell out two fights, right,

2132
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 2: you know, but look in that moment, I don't think

2133
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: there's anything you can say like Nate did wrong.

2134
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 3: He just fought a force of nature, right.

2135
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: He thought a force of nature. He thought a guy

2136
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 1: who just had more firepower than him in the similar

2137
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: kind of way. So that takes us to the last

2138
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 1: fight on his record. It is a distinguished one, but

2139
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: it is the last one before he takes on them

2140
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 1: on takes on the hums uch of my of USC.

2141
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: Two seventy nine, UFC two sixty three, June of twenty

2142
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: twenty one. He would skip the whole pandemic part of it,

2143
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:13,760
Speaker 1: at least the worst parts of it anyway, and he

2144
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: would take on Leon Edwards USC. Two sixty three, Glendale, Arizona.

2145
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 3: This is what he wanted to fight, Leon Edwards, so says,

2146
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 3: I'll do it right.

2147
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he certainly did again. This is the uh dessinya

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Speaker 1: Attori two card, and you might be asking where was

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Speaker 1: this fight? This was not the Man of the Komain.

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01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: This was the feature fight. But it's the first feature

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Speaker 1: fight on a pay per view card, non title five rounds, right,

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01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 1: first time na Diaz again making history in that way.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the public workout before that fight and

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01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 2: another Nada's mount rushmore viral moment?

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Speaker 3: Do we have it?

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01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: Tell me, I don't know that we have that one.

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01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 1: If we do, you can play it, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think we have that one with me.

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Speaker 3: With it Minisch.

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Speaker 1: This is the post fight. Good enough, I'll take the

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Speaker 1: post fight.

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Speaker 3: Nate would spark a jay.

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01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 2: It wasn't technically marijuana that he sparked at the h

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01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,560
Speaker 2: with CBD, but it looked just like it and the

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Speaker 2: image was awesome.

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Speaker 3: So Nate goes into this fight. I remember thinking, okay, cool,

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Speaker 3: but like this is older Nate Diaz. Shouldn't he be

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Speaker 3: fighting fellow older names? Why is he fighting prime Leon Edwards?

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01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 3: The first four and a half rounds, didn't it prove that? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? You could say, well is going into Glendel Arizona.

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01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: Leon Edwards's backyard. No, but this was clearly the UFC

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01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: believing they had a future for Leon Edwards that they

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01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 1: wanted to set up. They thought he was going to

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Speaker 1: be a title contender. Let's use the Nate Diaz name

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01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: to boost Leon Edwards's fortunes. Funnily enough, even though Leon

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Speaker 1: Edwards gets the win and looked good for twenty four

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Speaker 1: minutes of it, I actually wonder if this boosted Date's fortunes. Listen,

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Speaker 1: you saw this fight like I did. The reality is

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Speaker 1: that he got outstruck from on the outside for the

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Speaker 1: most part, and then whenever they clinched you would see

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Speaker 1: Leon on top. But in the last minute of the

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Speaker 1: fifth round, I'll out what he did to Kamara Usman.

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Speaker 1: He rocks Leon with a big one too. Look at

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01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: the crowd go of being shocked and going ape shit.

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01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:55,800
Speaker 1: There's Justin Bieber at the bottom right corner and Nate

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01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: was all over him like white on right.

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Speaker 3: This is funny. We love the point. He almost got

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01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:02,640
Speaker 3: criticized for the point because he may have missed a

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Speaker 3: moment to jump right on top of him.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you can see the elbow there on the

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01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,879
Speaker 1: side of his head from getting slashed from the elbows.

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01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 1: There's what he got here from the elbow.

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Speaker 3: About the gangster persona of Nate.

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Speaker 2: He almost gets out of those two straight fights, even

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01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 2: though he loses by redeeming himself because there are people.

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Speaker 2: Although we thought Mosmdal beat him handily and I didn't

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Speaker 2: need a rematch, there were people are like, no way man.

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Speaker 3: Nate was just coming on until the New York State

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Speaker 3: stopped that with the cut. Man, you gotta fight Ndis

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01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 3: to the death. You didn't beat him.

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Speaker 2: He kindness to some people, redeemed some street cred, and

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Speaker 2: came out of that as a moral winner of some

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01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 2: weird way. He was definitely a moral winner of this

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01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 2: Leon Edwards fight. His brand got re reignited in some ways.

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01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 2: By this, I mean he's taken on a fight. He

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01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 2: didn't get his shit.

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01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 3: He shouldn't have fought. He shouldn't foll The.

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01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 1: Thing is he get the mazwdoal. Fight got stopped on

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Speaker 1: the cut, which is where people hang on to him.

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01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: But he got beat up in that fight. Edwards didn't

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01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 1: really beat him up. I mean he won the fight.

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01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:52,839
Speaker 1: I mean he listen. He scored some heavy shots dominant,

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01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 1: but like in three rounds Mazwdal did way more than

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01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: in five rounds what Edwards did, and so for that

2215
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,639
Speaker 1: reason you the thing you remember most about the Edwards

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01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 1: fight is that he rocked him and nearly finished him

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01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: off in the end of the fifth, which is the

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01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: most unremarked, the most unlikely thing that was possible. But

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01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: it all speaks to who Nadas is and it takes

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01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:15,040
Speaker 1: us lastly to UFC two seventy nine. B See we

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01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: started this conversation with when you saw this journey, did

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01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: it make you think differently about this? Listen, I don't

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01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 1: know how you feel. I think HAMSUCHHAMI is your favorite.

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01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 1: I think he deserves be a favorite. I think you

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01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 1: probably will win. But there have been so many times

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01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: that Nate has been asked to do the impossible, to

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01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 1: your point, on the cheap, against every tough guy, in

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01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: every difficult way class and in every climbing place. They

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01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 1: could do it, and not every time it went his way,

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01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 1: but enough times have to make you think it is

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01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: stupid to look past me.

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01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 3: Make no mistake, this is as unique and weird a

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01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 3: fight as like in one breath.

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Speaker 2: UFC is offering up this old name who they know

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01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 2: wants to make money outside of them with the last

2236
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 2: fight in his deal. So they're saying, hey, old name,

2237
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 2: we'll offer you up to this god Homsaud and you'll

2238
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 2: get your ass kicked on the way out. There's also

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01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 2: the opportunity for Nate to do the ultimate double cross

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Speaker 2: fu by upsetting Chamaiev and going out in a blaze

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01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 2: of grollery. But how about maybe a third straight moral victory.

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01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 2: There is a scenario in here in which Nate doesn't

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01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 2: win this fight, but he either exposes Hamza in some way,

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01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 2: or has a rally or does something that's Nate Diaz

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01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 2: redeemable on the way out. I kind of feel like

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01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 2: some an, if anything, he's going to author that for

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01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 2: us now. It's I don't think he should have been

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01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 2: fighting Leon twenty twenty one, whatever it was. I don't

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01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 2: think he should have been fighting Hamza now. But he's

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01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 2: had problems getting fights. He's the anti hero, he still is,

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Speaker 2: and he's going to go out on his own terms

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01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:34,879
Speaker 2: in the least a virable situation.

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01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 3: He's thirty seven.

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01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 2: You can argue whether Gilbert Burns humanized chamaiav enough for

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Speaker 2: Nate to go, oh, I know what to do.

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Speaker 3: I'll find that button.

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01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 2: When did Nate Diz stop evolving and essentially become this

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01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 2: second half gangster.

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01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 1: Of his career?

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Speaker 3: Like, what was there? When When did the evolution stop?

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01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 1: I think he's still always been training. I don't know

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01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:55,679
Speaker 1: if his evolution has stop. He's turned into a little

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01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,680
Speaker 1: bit more of being a hittable guy than he once was.

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01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's been since the Eggor fight itself.

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01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe even no Rdia was taking it to him

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01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 1: once he really was, you know, in the early part

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01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: of his thirties, late twenties passed. Everything from Benson Henderson

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01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:14,600
Speaker 1: afterwards has been kind of up and down. Really is

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01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: the answer?

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Speaker 2: Are there any fights on this journey that you look

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01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 2: at and say, Nate should focus on that one a

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01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 2: little bit more?

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01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 3: In how you beat jamayav.

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01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 1: Kurt Pellegrino, Benson Henderson, RDA, Leon Edwards, all of those

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01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,719
Speaker 1: guys doing a lot of the same things. The physical control,

2276
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 1: the mustling around, the Rory McDonald's and Don Young Kim's,

2277
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: all of those guys had the same kind of thing. Sturdy,

2278
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: submission defense and chucking him around have been placed to

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01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,680
Speaker 1: place controlling position. He's got to have an answer for that.

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01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: He's got to have an answer for that, and sometimes

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01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:45,639
Speaker 1: he has, sometimes he hasn't.

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Speaker 2: Final question on the legacy of Nate is his legacy

2283
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 2: ultimately despite the individual success still younger brother of Nick Diez,

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01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:57,759
Speaker 2: leader of the Das Army. No, or what is Nate's

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01:31:58,200 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 2: win or losing this fight and whatever he does next

2286
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 2: Jake Paul or not? What is Nate Diaz's unique legacy

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01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 2: within this sport.

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01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens against Tremaiev, We'll see what happens

2289
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 1: against Jake Paul if they end up making a boxing match.

2290
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:15,280
Speaker 1: But for me, he is the He is the stone

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01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 1: that the Builder refused. He is just like Jesus sort of.

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01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think Jesus is quite the right word.

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01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 3: That's where that line comes from.

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01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 1: It's from the Bible, but it's also a rap song

2295
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 1: from the Boondogs too, but I'm using it in that way.

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01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: He is the stone that the Builder refused. He was

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01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 1: never the guy the promotion. Yes, he was on The

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01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,200
Speaker 1: Ultimate Fighter. I think they wanted to do stuff with him.

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01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: They wanted to make him a bigger name than he

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01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,120
Speaker 1: certainly would have been on his own, but they never

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01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 1: pegged him as like their GSP. They never pegged him

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Speaker 1: as their guy. He was. He had to take the

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01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: game's popularity. It was never really handed to him.

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Speaker 3: What do you think about this?

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01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 2: You're the Nate Diaz of mm A journalism over your career,

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01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:49,879
Speaker 2: and I'm the Jake Shields.

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01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: Okay, either way we have overstayed or welcome.

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01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 3: We get that laptop from him.

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Speaker 1: Brother. All right, that's Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. What

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01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 1: did you guys think? What were your favorite fights and

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01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 1: your favorite memories from the Nate Diaz experience? Leave a

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01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 1: comment below if you want to reach out to us

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01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 1: and leave us a little bit feedback or give us

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01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 1: a follow on social. There you have it. Thanks to

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01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 1: the Maulket team and to Mikey for putting all the

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01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 1: assets together. I know is a pain in the ass,

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01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 1: but we appreciate you guys doing it. What a fun journey,

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01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 1: What a long journey. Thanks to everyone who watched the

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01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: whole thing. We'll see what happens on September tenth, UFC

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Speaker 1: two seventy nine For the MK family on this side,

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Speaker 1: We'll see all there. Until next time, Enjoy the fights.